My last Subaru was a 2007 WRX STI that I bought in CA new and drive it in Michigan for about 4 years. Snow tires in the winter and good summer tires in the summer. I’ve driven the new STIs and they don’t compare at all. I sold it with 47k miles and I drove that car HARD lol. Definitely got rid of it at the right time I think before anything catastrophic happened haha 😂
Chris, Who can say how accurate they are but there are 'suggestions' Toyota is working on a 100% Toyota RWD sports car. Maybe next time, Toyota can build the BRZ for Subaru. 😉
They won’t. Toyota tried working with Subaru to make a car and their engines aren’t getting any better even with their help. Why use their engines to destroy their image? Another nail in the coffin for Subaru. They are not going to be in business in the next 15 years if they keep it up with the engine problems.
@@faheemabbas3965 a vast majority of subaru's sales are their crossover/suvs, so I doubt they will go out of business. Out of the enthusiast market however may be a possibility
@@faheemabbas3965I agree and Toyota essentially owns Subaru right now. Literally Toyoda san and his board owns a significant stake in Subaru. Honestly the only reason that Subaru is still kicking is the Toyota money they are piggy backing off of
@@dexstrat9229 I agree and Toyota essentially owns Subaru right now. Literally Toyoda San and his board owns a significant stake in Subaru. Honestly the only reason that Subaru is still kicking is the Toyota money they are piggy backing off of
@@Carlos.Riveralol, maybe 10 cars blew out of 20k sold? Seems like you won't drive because you might get into an accident in the first place because probability doesn't matter to you.
@@milesfathiI’d just take the oil pan off and fix the issue but that’s kinda annoying to have to do on a brand new car that’s why I bought Hyundai🤷🏾♂️
That GR logo where it spins like a crank and lights on each side looking like the boxer pistons on the dash on start up is a very cool touch that i never noticed before.
@@willsoteros9923 I don't see how right or left turns affects it more than the other way. Maybe the way the baffles are or whatever. High G turns for an extended period on any Subaru with the stock oil pans will cause them to blow.
This is the car I would choose if I were to buy new today, probably the best chassis out there for the money. Good balance with the engine and trans, nice handling. Awesome car.
I'm very tempted, myself. For the money saved, I would drive the balls off of it until the engine goes then swap it with either a turbo FA 2.4 from a WRX or older STi engine.. or LS swap. Not very original but with how light the car is, probably incredibly fun. Might throw off the weight distribution, though. The other option is spending another 20K+ for a 1SS 1LE track package Camaro and keep it stock for a while, and just enjoy the warranty. Stock power levels on the Camaro would be plenty for the road.. and the Camaro's have very impressive track times, rivaling Italian exotic cars that are 5x the cost.
I got a 17 GT86 a few months ago. Used with 32k miles for $23k OTD - was cross shopping the Miata and GR86, then I found mine as certified pre-owned. Driven all 3 and I'm of course biased now, but I think the most "complete" car is the GR86, the best handling and feeling car is the Miata, and the last gen 86 is the most raw/feels like an older car. I couldn't say no for the price, and I really don't regret it. I live near Topher in Michigan and am planning on doing an inch lift in the winter lol. The one weak point of mine is the mediocre AISIN m/t, it's definitely notchy but doesn't always feel amazing to shift. 5th grinds when my RPMs are too high or low when shifting. I think the GR has the same one. I thought the Miata's shifter was better, although I hear people have issues with them sometimes. You get what you pay for in a budget car. My plans are to daily it for a few years, then make it into a track car and go FI until the engine dies. Maybe build a new one or k-swap depending on how it goes. I absolutely love this car
@@hhaste Why would anyone compare this car with a Camaro? Both cars are in totally different segment. People thinking about buying a GR86 wouldn't think about buying a Camaro and vice versa.
Hey @TheTopher, I really like this new segment at the end with the cold start, warm start, and drive by sounds (starting at 22:35). You should do more of them if you can. I already use your videos to compare interior sounds between cars. The cold start, warm start, and drives by could provide good comparisons of exterior sounds between cars. Keep it up!
Great video! I own this EXACT spec (minus the black plastic trunk strip) but with the GR fender vents, and the subwoofer. Couldn't be more happy with it, especially with the sub and the gr exhaust. Makes a world of difference compared to my friends GR86 PMT with the base exhaust and no sub. Would highly recommend the sub and gr exhaust!
@@cabbagehead8082I agree on getting the Miata, but the average age for purchase on the first gen was 30+. You might see a 19 year old in a clapped out 2013-2020 though.
@TheTopher, what do you think the logical fix is for the trackability issue long term? Fix the oil system (baffles, dry sump, etc)? Or switch to a Toyota engine? I think people forget how much a 3 cyl turbo or 4 cyl turbo is going to not only bring the center of gravity way up but make this closer to the cost of the Supra 2.0.
Right now there isn’t a solution for the fa24 sadly. You could k24 swap it! But tbh it’s probably best to go with a previous gen car, Miata, or something else that has proven reliable for regular track work.
@TheTopher guess only time will tell. As a side note thank you for such high quality production and enjoyable videos! Been watching your content for about a year now and got a 23 BRZ and love it. Only really daily driving / spirited back country roads so it's perfect for me, but disappointed that Toyota/Subaru marketed as trackable and made this misstep.
@@wyattllc Heard this too. Apparently it'll be the same engine out of the GR Yaris with possibly some form of a hybrid system. Power estimates are near or just over 300HP.
@aceimperial8298 the biggest argument against this rumor is the existence of the Supra 2.0 with 255hp. Unless Toyota plans to eliminate the Supra 2.0 and keep only the 3.0
The GT86 was my dream car from 2013, until this thing came out. I'd love to drive one, and eventually own one someday, because this is a perfect balance between handling and its a great daily....just not good for tracks until you modify that D-45
Topher, i drove this and an SS1LE after watching your reviews to see how they compared in the reasonably priced rwd sports coupe category. Im in the market for something sub 55k and fun. The SS1LE def has a smoother ride, a more stable planted feel, more torque and a great sound. Its also track ready and warrantied. HOWEVER, its not for me. I found the sightlines horrid. The instrument cluster has a high cowl blocking the road. The car does not feel tossable and nimble (it feels planted and grippy) compared to the 86. I walked away realizing its a car you must consider if you want to track a lot (or want to modify a Miata or buy a higher spec Porsche). For the street, ripping around offramps, twisty narrow mountain roads, Id give the easy win to the 86. Now please Subaru fix the engine oiling issue.
if you aren't planning to track this car, I am assuming that oil issue isnt a concern. But it still makes me worry what else could be wrong with the car? Subaru really hasn't been great recently.
I recently got a Track bRed GR86. Best advice I can give anyone who owns one is buy a wireless Android Auto / Apple Play adapter, plug it into the center console and keep your phone in the little door handle compartment by your elbow.
I remember hearing a lot about M lights having oil starvation issue as well. Specifically the M240i from previous gen. Not sure about the current ones. But to me if hard cornering is not part of vehicle's equation during design, then it's not a true sports car.
Why did they put a trash Subaru engine in there is beyond me. This car should cost 10k more with a decent engine that can actually take a corner. Ridiculous.
Man you seem really mad about the oil pressure issue. Lol. Hopefully they will get that sorted and if so these will be top tier track cars. Everything I heard sounded great. This is one of the last true sports cars we will be able to get.
He spent his own hard earned money on one (BRZ instead of the 86 but same car) so I say he has a right to be pissed lol. Especially after him having debated between buying this car and the WRX (which has been confirmed by WRX_SUB1 to not have this oil pressure issue) So I'm sure he is kicking himself in the foot for not going for the other car as he is a spirited driving enthusiast. I hope some solution can be found as so far the baffle oil pan 900BRZ tried did not do anything.
Probably just needs updated oil pan baffling. Not really a big deal as that’s an upgrade people do a lot of the time before tracking a car. Obviously probably shouldn’t be needed for a car that is labeled “performance” though. But much higher end performance cars have had issues during track driving too.
I have no way of obtaining a GR86 where I live. Could you please try and list all the modifications needed to turn the BRZ into GR86? Apart from the visual stuff of course. I don't plan to track my car but I want it to be more tail happy and fun to drive on the streets.
@@2liter I know you tried to be helpful, but that much is obvious. I'm asking about the details. How much stiffer on the rear, how kuch softer on the front? What kind of sway bar?
Hey @thetopher You mentioned liquid Molly to potentially help longevity of these fa24 engines and cars in general. What brand/product specifically do you recommend.
I was close to buying one of these here in Germany. Sadly, only 1000 instead of 2000 got delivered and the dealer marked these things up like hell. A Premium trim manual would have cost me 40k€, which I wasnt gonna pay for this type of car, considering that the retail price of the previous gen was just 28-29k and 32k for special editions. I ended up ordering a i30N DCT for 37k, also because the delivery time of the GR86 would have been over a year...
Really unfortunate that Toyota put a Subaru engine in the GR86. Especially given all the RVT issues, major flop. Not sure if they have sorted that out for the 2024's. If they put a Toyota motor in there... I'd buy one.
I need a sunroof! It's a really nice car, but my RSX is paid off, runs like a top, looks great and has a sunroof. (And a CD player lol) I guess I'm old school😂
I recently put a Corsa on my GR86, and I love how little drone there is and how amazing it sounds, but the pops sound like gunshots with that exhaust on almost every single downshift. It’s absurd, and I commute daily with mine so I can’t be doing that. I would love this GR exhaust but I can’t justify $1700 for this catback. Ordered an MRT sport touring (thanks for the discount!) to tone it down, and hoping to have a lot of fun with it.
3:12 credits to 900BRZ for the findings on the oil pressure drop/starvation on hard right turns. Edit: I really considered getting a 86 in this exact configuration, but looks like it’s off the table for now.
I mean - if you're going to avoid a car based on issues you'll prob be waiting a while because virtually every car has 'some' bad quirk or issue - and in this case it seems to be something that can be resolved at some point with a mod - it has a warranty, and not to mention it's basically only track related. (I own the BRZ with zero issues for example).
@@MKu64 the biggest issue is that toyota refuses to warranty the car because of "track use / abuse" when its been advertised as a track capable car, and the car comes with a free track day. The issue itself isn't the worst thing ever but if toyota themselves refuses a warranty repair on a car that was built to be tracked id stay away from that car too, even if i didnt plan on tracking it. I Was planning on buying a GR86 but with everything coming out I will most likely choose something else along with many other people. Glad to hear you have no issues though it really is a nice car, brz or 86 things are clean
@@MKu64 That’s the thing though- Who knows when Toyota/Subaru will address the issue, especially on multiple vehicles that have the FA24 (86, BRZ, WRX). I don’t want to be paranoid on making right turns knowing it might have a catastrophic failure due to oil starvation.
@@Mienboi821510 I know what you're saying, but at the same time - these issues haven't been 'just making a right turn'.. they've shown themselves on prolonged high G track turns at high temp and repeatedly. Something not really possible / likely on the street for most uses. Additionally, it's covered by warranty anyway. Not that it excuses it - but just that given every car make will have some issue - I'm not really going to worry about it and enjoy the car. Keep in mind the engine design hasn't changed much - and it's not like we see older versions of this engine constantly breaking down. For the note about 'not warranting the issue' - unfortunately I think that might be local to the 'US?' Have had no indication of that where I live - at least not for 'non-track use'. (Or maybe just Subaru - which is my only experience so far on these). Don't get me wrong - I completely understand the hesitation - I just look at it in perspective of how other cars have been and say YOLO 😅 Regarding it being advertised as a track car but not treating it as such from the warranty perspective - I agree that's bad form.
@@justanotherjew223Agree. They could make most of the concern go away by just stating more clearly the criteria they will use to determine whether they will cover engine replacements. Right now the language allows them to have complete discretion and deny for any reason.
i have the same identical car,and just had Subaru install the rear under bumper spoiler!It looks great and sounds great!i can't believe i have to go to Subaru to have accessories installed on my GR 86
The first thing you would do is get away from Michelin brand tires? Nobody buying a $34k sports car for a nice quiet ride. Those P4S tires are imo the best possible tire they could have put on there. They are just about the best at every performance aspect of UHP summer tire. Props to them for now cheaping out on tires. Maybe some 17s with something more quiet and A/S friendly for cold weather.
I absolutely love this car, even though lots of people give it crap since it doesn't have a lot of power, but personally, I like a car that has better handling than power. Plus, knowing more about this car helps me when I get one later on, so thanks for the review! P.S, on a side note, as someone who's never driven a manual, how would you efficiently drive the GR86? Like what RPMs/speed should you shift at?
@@NDEEZMiataGotta agree. I paid around $850 USD for my Remark catback and it both sounds and looks far better. There are too many other quality options out there to drop $1700 on the GR option.
@@tvtime2644 was the same story with the previous gen. The TRD was one of the most expensive exhausts, it was one of the worst sounding, and it droned lol The GR one sounds good here, but seems like nearly any catback will get a similar sound. $1700 for a catback that isn’t titanium or valved is nuts. To each their own though 🤷♂️ I wouldn’t be eager to replace it if it came on the car, but I definitely wouldn’t go out of my way to drop $1700 on it lol
These models GR86/BR-Z remind me of the best and favorite car I've ever had my 1994 Acura Integra GS-R Coupe (Milano Red). Simplicity is a wonderful thing, no clutter and you really don't see cars like these anymore. I think I would go for the Toyota, Subaru is a weird company and I've had solid, reliable past experiences with Toyota. But yeah I miss my GS-R so much and that redline. Nice sporty fun car, I love how easy it is to throw around and like you said the simplicity is great. Enjoy. 😁👍
Any specific tire recommendations for primarily street use? I like the grip and handling of the ps4's, but agree the road noise they have is a little annoying. I do travel on gravel/dirt roads once in a while, probably won't ever track mine especially now with those oil pressure issues.
I have the Michellin Pilot Sport 4 All seasons with 215/50r17 on my Accord / TSX. Absolutely enjoy the daily drive now. Got them at costco for about $600
@@TheTopherthanks! I was also planning on Pilot Sports for my next tire, but I don't want to sacrifice comfort and volume in my daily driver. Not the first time I've heard you complain about their noise!
I have a 23 GR86 with the exact same tires, they honestly aren't that bad at all. People will complain about virtually ANYTHING. This car has pretty much no sound insulation, so you do hear pretty much everything, but that is a part of the cool-factor that this car offers.
Do you daily your 86? I am planning on getting one but am anxious whether this car is dailyable. I’ve always driven automatic AWD SUVs so this would be my first RWD vehicle which I want to learn manual with. How are is the Winter season with this car? Are you also on stock wheels?
Well for $30,500, sports car, with loud exhaust I wouldn't be anticipating good noise insulation. Too cheap for that price, insulation is more of a luxury thing. Even the engine is heard loud at low RPM, unless it's just the camera. A different tire brand would of course dampen a bit, but will it lower substantially? Highly doubt it, Unfortunately. Loved the vid anyways, thank you!
You’re literally the only person i’ve heard complain about the PS4S. They’re at the top in their segment but I think it’s mainly due to the sidewall height that makes them louder in this car
There may be a difference between PS4 and PS4S. I've never driven a PS4 but I've driven many vehicles with PS4S. I can say that the PS4S is very quiet.
Topher. If PS4 was not good enough what tyre do u suggest? I'm waiting for the stock ps4 on my BRZ to wear a bit to replace em. But i didn't seem to find any better option. I dont plan to track my BRZ. Just some daily and chill touge drive.
If youre ever in the area PLEASE do a video driving your brz through the sterling heights/clinton twp area. Id love to just see the viewpoints of the car in the area I live. Clinton River Road also is a fun little road to drive down.
Thank you for making these. It may be closest I ever get to driving my dream car. Year after year I save and I save and don’t quite make it or something comes up. But your povs give me hope in a way haha. Anyways love your drives!
love how you showed this master piece, I love its simplicity, how it handles and feels, your video gave a very good idea and Im now sold to GR, i will be test driving soon, thank you for a good show
Hey Topher, i have a set of 17x8 Apexs on order and will go for 225-45-17, but want to keep the playful character while being texas winter capable. What tire would you suggest? Fk460 a good budget option?
What are the options i have if I want to make my gr exhaust louder ? Would I just have to get a completely new catback or is there an axle back muffler delete available that connects to the flanges of this exhaust
Stunning blue! But @9+% financing...NO EFFING WAY! Keeping my MazSpeed 3...which gets 35 hwy. Only aftermarket was a MagnaFlow catback I installed myself for $450.
Really like this generation but I think it's ridiculous that the car that's designed to be tracked cannot be tracked lmao
Subaru been making shit for awhile.
yea really hoping toyota puts their own engine in the next generation
The first few words in the Toyota website are “Born in the track”
Reminds me of the FK8 Type R not being able to run 3 laps without overheating
My last Subaru was a 2007 WRX STI that I bought in CA new and drive it in Michigan for about 4 years. Snow tires in the winter and good summer tires in the summer. I’ve driven the new STIs and they don’t compare at all.
I sold it with 47k miles and I drove that car HARD lol. Definitely got rid of it at the right time I think before anything catastrophic happened haha 😂
Chris, Who can say how accurate they are but there are 'suggestions' Toyota is working on a 100% Toyota RWD sports car. Maybe next time, Toyota can build the BRZ for Subaru. 😉
They won’t. Toyota tried working with Subaru to make a car and their engines aren’t getting any better even with their help. Why use their engines to destroy their image?
Another nail in the coffin for Subaru.
They are not going to be in business in the next 15 years if they keep it up with the engine problems.
@@faheemabbas3965 a vast majority of subaru's sales are their crossover/suvs, so I doubt they will go out of business. Out of the enthusiast market however may be a possibility
@@faheemabbas3965I agree and Toyota essentially owns Subaru right now. Literally Toyoda san and his board owns a significant stake in Subaru. Honestly the only reason that Subaru is still kicking is the Toyota money they are piggy backing off of
@@dexstrat9229 I agree and Toyota essentially owns Subaru right now. Literally Toyoda San and his board owns a significant stake in Subaru. Honestly the only reason that Subaru is still kicking is the Toyota money they are piggy backing off of
Most people whining about the oil pressure at track events dont even drive them hard around turns or to the racetrack at all
Bought one yesterday brand new only 20 miles. Such a sick car and it handles like a dream.
Just spent my morning driving an incredible lakeside road in the GR86 here in beautiful British Columbia interior. Life is fun with these cars.
i’m basically jealous
Until it blow up because RTV oil starvation
@Carlos.Rivera I don't know man I've put 20k miles on this thing and I drive the HELL out of it. Still going strong.
@@Carlos.Riveralol, maybe 10 cars blew out of 20k sold? Seems like you won't drive because you might get into an accident in the first place because probability doesn't matter to you.
@@milesfathiI’d just take the oil pan off and fix the issue but that’s kinda annoying to have to do on a brand new car that’s why I bought Hyundai🤷🏾♂️
That GR logo where it spins like a crank and lights on each side looking like the boxer pistons on the dash on start up is a very cool touch that i never noticed before.
That’s so neat! Hard to unsee it now
Yes! In pre production cars it's the original twin piston badge fron the GT 86!
You know, the [||•]=(86)=[•||] :)
it may not be the perfect track vehicle, but it sure would be the perfect vehicle for Nascar!
Touche
what why?
@@Warboss777 Cuz only left turns.
@@Warboss777the oil pressure issue has been observed to cause issues around high G right hand turns.
@@willsoteros9923 I don't see how right or left turns affects it more than the other way. Maybe the way the baffles are or whatever. High G turns for an extended period on any Subaru with the stock oil pans will cause them to blow.
This is the car I would choose if I were to buy new today, probably the best chassis out there for the money. Good balance with the engine and trans, nice handling. Awesome car.
I'm very tempted, myself. For the money saved, I would drive the balls off of it until the engine goes then swap it with either a turbo FA 2.4 from a WRX or older STi engine.. or LS swap. Not very original but with how light the car is, probably incredibly fun. Might throw off the weight distribution, though. The other option is spending another 20K+ for a 1SS 1LE track package Camaro and keep it stock for a while, and just enjoy the warranty. Stock power levels on the Camaro would be plenty for the road.. and the Camaro's have very impressive track times, rivaling Italian exotic cars that are 5x the cost.
@@hhaste I actually didn't know Camaro's do well on track, thanks for the info :)
I got a 17 GT86 a few months ago. Used with 32k miles for $23k OTD - was cross shopping the Miata and GR86, then I found mine as certified pre-owned. Driven all 3 and I'm of course biased now, but I think the most "complete" car is the GR86, the best handling and feeling car is the Miata, and the last gen 86 is the most raw/feels like an older car. I couldn't say no for the price, and I really don't regret it. I live near Topher in Michigan and am planning on doing an inch lift in the winter lol.
The one weak point of mine is the mediocre AISIN m/t, it's definitely notchy but doesn't always feel amazing to shift. 5th grinds when my RPMs are too high or low when shifting. I think the GR has the same one. I thought the Miata's shifter was better, although I hear people have issues with them sometimes. You get what you pay for in a budget car.
My plans are to daily it for a few years, then make it into a track car and go FI until the engine dies. Maybe build a new one or k-swap depending on how it goes. I absolutely love this car
@@hhaste Why would anyone compare this car with a Camaro? Both cars are in totally different segment. People thinking about buying a GR86 wouldn't think about buying a Camaro and vice versa.
Only 200,000$ after market adjustment get it now at your local dealer!
Hey @TheTopher, I really like this new segment at the end with the cold start, warm start, and drive by sounds (starting at 22:35). You should do more of them if you can. I already use your videos to compare interior sounds between cars. The cold start, warm start, and drives by could provide good comparisons of exterior sounds between cars. Keep it up!
Big thanks to @900brz for this video on oil pressure drops on track: ruclips.net/video/4Jk5WTWoqt4/видео.html
Thanks! Still feel like we can find a solution without going all the way to a dry sump, at least for stock levels of grip.
Great video! I own this EXACT spec (minus the black plastic trunk strip) but with the GR fender vents, and the subwoofer. Couldn't be more happy with it, especially with the sub and the gr exhaust. Makes a world of difference compared to my friends GR86 PMT with the base exhaust and no sub. Would highly recommend the sub and gr exhaust!
The car needs better tweeters and better amplifier.
Wow I can’t believe how quiet it sounds on video, even with this exhaust. Is it a lot louder in person?
I'm 6'1.5 and I find it difficult squeezing in some of these little sports cars. Nice to see the GR86 has enough space for the taller person.
Hello I am of similar height, Miatas are completely out of the question at this height, glad to know at least one small sports car fits
That is a sexy machine. Worth the MSRP for the looks alone, lol.
Really debating getting a trueno gr86 or a Miata. There’s word in Japan of the nd3!
Get the miata. 86 are a dime a dozen and every 19 uear old has one
@@cabbagehead8082I agree on getting the Miata, but the average age for purchase on the first gen was 30+. You might see a 19 year old in a clapped out 2013-2020 though.
@@brzo. mediocre
@@cabbagehead8082I literally seem more likely miata than 86
@@cabbagehead8082 Maybe around you. I see Miatas all the time, but do not see many 86s.
@TheTopher, what do you think the logical fix is for the trackability issue long term? Fix the oil system (baffles, dry sump, etc)? Or switch to a Toyota engine? I think people forget how much a 3 cyl turbo or 4 cyl turbo is going to not only bring the center of gravity way up but make this closer to the cost of the Supra 2.0.
Right now there isn’t a solution for the fa24 sadly. You could k24 swap it! But tbh it’s probably best to go with a previous gen car, Miata, or something else that has proven reliable for regular track work.
@TheTopher guess only time will tell. As a side note thank you for such high quality production and enjoyable videos! Been watching your content for about a year now and got a 23 BRZ and love it. Only really daily driving / spirited back country roads so it's perfect for me, but disappointed that Toyota/Subaru marketed as trackable and made this misstep.
ive heard rumors that the next gen gr86 will no longer have subaru's boxer engine, but one of their own. Probably the carolla's 3cyl turbo.
@@wyattllc Heard this too. Apparently it'll be the same engine out of the GR Yaris with possibly some form of a hybrid system. Power estimates are near or just over 300HP.
@aceimperial8298 the biggest argument against this rumor is the existence of the Supra 2.0 with 255hp. Unless Toyota plans to eliminate the Supra 2.0 and keep only the 3.0
im really debating the 2024 with the performance package.
Exhaust doesn't sound really that good. Better to not pay that option and have it aftermarket...
The GT86 was my dream car from 2013, until this thing came out. I'd love to drive one, and eventually own one someday, because this is a perfect balance between handling and its a great daily....just not good for tracks until you modify that D-45
FINALLY MORE OF THE GR86/BRZ VIDS LETS GOOOO
Topher, i drove this and an SS1LE after watching your reviews to see how they compared in the reasonably priced rwd sports coupe category. Im in the market for something sub 55k and fun.
The SS1LE def has a smoother ride, a more stable planted feel, more torque and a great sound. Its also track ready and warrantied. HOWEVER, its not for me. I found the sightlines horrid. The instrument cluster has a high cowl blocking the road. The car does not feel tossable and nimble (it feels planted and grippy) compared to the 86. I walked away realizing its a car you must consider if you want to track a lot (or want to modify a Miata or buy a higher spec Porsche). For the street, ripping around offramps, twisty narrow mountain roads, Id give the easy win to the 86. Now please Subaru fix the engine oiling issue.
That's one reason why I love my BRZ - it's just that perfect blend of lightweight flickability and fun to drive factor!
This is a 30k car, and your budget is 55k, but you've only tried one other car. I promise you that you can find other good cars with your budget lol.
Fake engine noise is actually one of the worst/cringiest things car manufacturers have started putting on their cars.
I turned mine off but then turned it back on when I realized it was hard to hear shift points and rev-matching inputs at speed.
if you aren't planning to track this car, I am assuming that oil issue isnt a concern. But it still makes me worry what else could be wrong with the car? Subaru really hasn't been great recently.
So the gr performance exhaust costs as much as a tomei expreme titanium catback and is quieter and more restricted.. I’d choose tomei
Great car with a crappy motor!! Toyota put your 3 Cylinder motor in this...300 hp. Motor sounds better too!!
I love the videos! Cant wait for my 86 to arrive! When i do get my mine im going to get a beefier oil pump and just better oil system in general.
I recently got a Track bRed GR86. Best advice I can give anyone who owns one is buy a wireless Android Auto / Apple Play adapter, plug it into the center console and keep your phone in the little door handle compartment by your elbow.
I remember hearing a lot about M lights having oil starvation issue as well. Specifically the M240i from previous gen. Not sure about the current ones. But to me if hard cornering is not part of vehicle's equation during design, then it's not a true sports car.
I believe the issue was with the N55s, not B58s. So it would've been the M235i
@@willhart1523Yeah the m240i is pretty reliable and was definitely the best bmw car of the time. 2022+ m240i is hideous though.
Imagine the Corolla GR engine in this, such a missed opportunity. Even the Camry 4 banger would be better.
Why did they put a trash Subaru engine in there is beyond me.
This car should cost 10k more with a decent engine that can actually take a corner.
Ridiculous.
Man you seem really mad about the oil pressure issue. Lol. Hopefully they will get that sorted and if so these will be top tier track cars. Everything I heard sounded great. This is one of the last true sports cars we will be able to get.
He spent his own hard earned money on one (BRZ instead of the 86 but same car) so I say he has a right to be pissed lol. Especially after him having debated between buying this car and the WRX (which has been confirmed by WRX_SUB1 to not have this oil pressure issue) So I'm sure he is kicking himself in the foot for not going for the other car as he is a spirited driving enthusiast. I hope some solution can be found as so far the baffle oil pan 900BRZ tried did not do anything.
@@Danter5435 of course, I would be too. It’s just not a tone I’m used to hearing from Topher on these car reviews. He’s usually such a chill cat.
There's one way to fix the car, just throw in a Toyota inline 4 engine and that would solve the issue lol.
One of the best if not the best affordable sports car! Beautiful simplicity , no turbos, no automatic gearbox👍
Love the interior of these
@RedPanda_______I see your point and I agree, the exterior looks cool especially with the blue
Probably just needs updated oil pan baffling. Not really a big deal as that’s an upgrade people do a lot of the time before tracking a car. Obviously probably shouldn’t be needed for a car that is labeled “performance” though. But much higher end performance cars have had issues during track driving too.
Several tests have been done with baffles that did not show any improvement in oiling. It’s an internal oil drain issue with the block.
I have no way of obtaining a GR86 where I live. Could you please try and list all the modifications needed to turn the BRZ into GR86? Apart from the visual stuff of course. I don't plan to track my car but I want it to be more tail happy and fun to drive on the streets.
Front bumper and suspension
@@2liter I know you tried to be helpful, but that much is obvious. I'm asking about the details. How much stiffer on the rear, how kuch softer on the front? What kind of sway bar?
I wouldn't waste money on making a GR86 out of a BRZ. Both are excellent sport cars !
Old BRZ needs a lot of work to turn into a new one
Hey @thetopher You mentioned liquid Molly to potentially help longevity of these fa24 engines and cars in general. What brand/product specifically do you recommend.
I’ve run liquimoly mos2 in my BRZ’s for years but ceratec might be a good option too
@@TheTopherceratec in all my vehicles makes them HAPPY! Ceratec is the bomb!
I was close to buying one of these here in Germany. Sadly, only 1000 instead of 2000 got delivered and the dealer marked these things up like hell. A Premium trim manual would have cost me 40k€, which I wasnt gonna pay for this type of car, considering that the retail price of the previous gen was just 28-29k and 32k for special editions. I ended up ordering a i30N DCT for 37k, also because the delivery time of the GR86 would have been over a year...
Really unfortunate that Toyota put a Subaru engine in the GR86. Especially given all the RVT issues, major flop. Not sure if they have sorted that out for the 2024's. If they put a Toyota motor in there... I'd buy one.
I need a sunroof! It's a really nice car, but my RSX is paid off, runs like a top, looks great and has a sunroof. (And a CD player lol) I guess I'm old school😂
Miata RF
@@Barbwire710 meh. Never liked miatas. Plus they're too small
One day I will have this car!! Definitely something Ima work hard for in the future, I love Toyota and I love this car
Getting mine tomorrow! 6 speed manual.
@@jimihendriixxhow is it? Would you recommend it to someone who’s saving up? Also automatic or manual to prefer for someone to pick
I recently put a Corsa on my GR86, and I love how little drone there is and how amazing it sounds, but the pops sound like gunshots with that exhaust on almost every single downshift. It’s absurd, and I commute daily with mine so I can’t be doing that. I would love this GR exhaust but I can’t justify $1700 for this catback. Ordered an MRT sport touring (thanks for the discount!) to tone it down, and hoping to have a lot of fun with it.
I've had a deposit down since February for this exact combo (minus the exhaust)...hopefully Subaru can get more on the road by the end of the year
3:12 credits to 900BRZ for the findings on the oil pressure drop/starvation on hard right turns.
Edit: I really considered getting a 86 in this exact configuration, but looks like it’s off the table for now.
I mean - if you're going to avoid a car based on issues you'll prob be waiting a while because virtually every car has 'some' bad quirk or issue - and in this case it seems to be something that can be resolved at some point with a mod - it has a warranty, and not to mention it's basically only track related. (I own the BRZ with zero issues for example).
@@MKu64 the biggest issue is that toyota refuses to warranty the car because of "track use / abuse" when its been advertised as a track capable car, and the car comes with a free track day. The issue itself isn't the worst thing ever but if toyota themselves refuses a warranty repair on a car that was built to be tracked id stay away from that car too, even if i didnt plan on tracking it. I Was planning on buying a GR86 but with everything coming out I will most likely choose something else along with many other people. Glad to hear you have no issues though it really is a nice car, brz or 86 things are clean
@@MKu64 That’s the thing though- Who knows when Toyota/Subaru will address the issue, especially on multiple vehicles that have the FA24 (86, BRZ, WRX). I don’t want to be paranoid on making right turns knowing it might have a catastrophic failure due to oil starvation.
@@Mienboi821510 I know what you're saying, but at the same time - these issues haven't been 'just making a right turn'.. they've shown themselves on prolonged high G track turns at high temp and repeatedly. Something not really possible / likely on the street for most uses. Additionally, it's covered by warranty anyway. Not that it excuses it - but just that given every car make will have some issue - I'm not really going to worry about it and enjoy the car.
Keep in mind the engine design hasn't changed much - and it's not like we see older versions of this engine constantly breaking down.
For the note about 'not warranting the issue' - unfortunately I think that might be local to the 'US?' Have had no indication of that where I live - at least not for 'non-track use'. (Or maybe just Subaru - which is my only experience so far on these).
Don't get me wrong - I completely understand the hesitation - I just look at it in perspective of how other cars have been and say YOLO 😅
Regarding it being advertised as a track car but not treating it as such from the warranty perspective - I agree that's bad form.
@@justanotherjew223Agree. They could make most of the concern go away by just stating more clearly the criteria they will use to determine whether they will cover engine replacements. Right now the language allows them to have complete discretion and deny for any reason.
Babe wake up, Topher released a new video
i have the same identical car,and just had Subaru install the rear under bumper spoiler!It looks great and sounds great!i can't believe i have to go to Subaru to have accessories installed on my GR 86
The first thing you would do is get away from Michelin brand tires? Nobody buying a $34k sports car for a nice quiet ride. Those P4S tires are imo the best possible tire they could have put on there. They are just about the best at every performance aspect of UHP summer tire. Props to them for now cheaping out on tires. Maybe some 17s with something more quiet and A/S friendly for cold weather.
Great video! I feel like I'm learning how to drive a manual through by watching you drive!
Manual is pretty easy to learn, the hard part when starting out is figuring out the clutch.
all the motors are filled with silicone do not buy lol
What a nice sound for a such small car
I would say, running cost is above average considering it requires premium fuel and below average fuel consumption.
Sounds good! That should have been the OEM exhaust. I like how the exhaust sound transitions into engine noise at higher rpm.
Some cars have this exhaust.
I absolutely love this car, even though lots of people give it crap since it doesn't have a lot of power, but personally, I like a car that has better handling than power. Plus, knowing more about this car helps me when I get one later on, so thanks for the review!
P.S, on a side note, as someone who's never driven a manual, how would you efficiently drive the GR86? Like what RPMs/speed should you shift at?
3k
@TheTopher you mentioned that if you would track the car often there are other better options, would love to hear what cars come to mind. ❤
8:26 what the hell is that awful buzzing sound when accelerating?
Been bouncing back and forth of whether I should get the GR Exhaust.. now I think I will get it.
It doesn’t sound all that special for that much money. Pretty much any catback/axleback will give you this sound for a lot less $$$
@@NDEEZMiataGotta agree. I paid around $850 USD for my Remark catback and it both sounds and looks far better. There are too many other quality options out there to drop $1700 on the GR option.
@@tvtime2644 was the same story with the previous gen. The TRD was one of the most expensive exhausts, it was one of the worst sounding, and it droned lol
The GR one sounds good here, but seems like nearly any catback will get a similar sound. $1700 for a catback that isn’t titanium or valved is nuts.
To each their own though 🤷♂️ I wouldn’t be eager to replace it if it came on the car, but I definitely wouldn’t go out of my way to drop $1700 on it lol
sounds exactly like my 2019 forester, and the steering stalks exactly like my 2007 Outback
34 grand for 228hp that you can’t even track lmao
Guys help me choose between gr86 vs tacoma vs lt1 Camaro or Chevy Colorado? Plz I’m only 16 want a fun reliable daily
Cold start sounds good. From the inside, it's covered up by the fake sound.
These models GR86/BR-Z remind me of the best and favorite car I've ever had my 1994 Acura Integra GS-R Coupe (Milano Red). Simplicity is a wonderful thing, no clutter and you really don't see cars like these anymore. I think I would go for the Toyota, Subaru is a weird company and I've had solid, reliable past experiences with Toyota. But yeah I miss my GS-R so much and that redline. Nice sporty fun car, I love how easy it is to throw around and like you said the simplicity is great. Enjoy. 😁👍
People who recommend Hyundai, know nothing about cars 😂
It's very sad that both of toyota sports cars arent toyota, one is a Subaru and the other is a BMW
Engine from Subaru ? So that is why I saw so many videos of GR86 getting engine blown off
hoping to see you review the special trueno edition
Trash roads...
nice
So let me get this straight this is a supposed to be a track car that can’t be tracked and it has 228hp and the GR Yaris has 300 hp !?!?😂😂😂
I'd buy this cash msrp right now if I could find one. (Exact color/config)
considering getting one for myself very soon but concerned with the issues
Yeah better wait for Toyota to make a move and fix the issue.
I like watching videos by TheTopher :)
Any specific tire recommendations for primarily street use? I like the grip and handling of the ps4's, but agree the road noise they have is a little annoying. I do travel on gravel/dirt roads once in a while, probably won't ever track mine especially now with those oil pressure issues.
Literally anything else will be quieter lol. I’m a fan of the Continental options.
I have the Michellin Pilot Sport 4 All seasons with 215/50r17 on my Accord / TSX. Absolutely enjoy the daily drive now. Got them at costco for about $600
@@TheTopherthanks! I was also planning on Pilot Sports for my next tire, but I don't want to sacrifice comfort and volume in my daily driver. Not the first time I've heard you complain about their noise!
I have a 23 GR86 with the exact same tires, they honestly aren't that bad at all. People will complain about virtually ANYTHING. This car has pretty much no sound insulation, so you do hear pretty much everything, but that is a part of the cool-factor that this car offers.
Do you daily your 86? I am planning on getting one but am anxious whether this car is dailyable. I’ve always driven automatic AWD SUVs so this would be my first RWD vehicle which I want to learn manual with. How are is the Winter season with this car? Are you also on stock wheels?
I’m 6’2 and 280lbs. I can “fit” in a Miata… wouldn’t be able to drive it though 😂
I do miss my 14 FRS & 86GT. I’m curious to know just how this one drives and handles. Thank you for showing this car.
The real question for us kids with under 20 grand: Early BRZ/FRS or NC Miata Club?
lmao its got a subi engine that blows head gaskets??
Isn't this where Sam Hyde drove his rental vehicles lol
Well for $30,500, sports car, with loud exhaust I wouldn't be anticipating good noise insulation. Too cheap for that price, insulation is more of a luxury thing.
Even the engine is heard loud at low RPM, unless it's just the camera.
A different tire brand would of course dampen a bit, but will it lower substantially? Highly doubt it, Unfortunately.
Loved the vid anyways, thank you!
You’re literally the only person i’ve heard complain about the PS4S. They’re at the top in their segment but I think it’s mainly due to the sidewall height that makes them louder in this car
There may be a difference between PS4 and PS4S. I've never driven a PS4 but I've driven many vehicles with PS4S. I can say that the PS4S is very quiet.
Make sure you never take hard right corners on this car, or the engine is dead
Toyota dashboards can never NOT rattle
well, I guess I'm buying one.
Topher. If PS4 was not good enough what tyre do u suggest? I'm waiting for the stock ps4 on my BRZ to wear a bit to replace em. But i didn't seem to find any better option. I dont plan to track my BRZ. Just some daily and chill touge drive.
I just have a 5 speed Ford Fiesta 😭😭 I want an upgrade so bad
Having trouble between this and a Miata. I have a daily Elantra N already so I’m not worried about how practical they are
The N is better than all of them.
I live in PA and our roads are terrible, I loved my GR86 but the harshness of ride wore me out.
Man if there was massive discount on Toyota GR86
The next gen 86
If youre ever in the area PLEASE do a video driving your brz through the sterling heights/clinton twp area. Id love to just see the viewpoints of the car in the area I live. Clinton River Road also is a fun little road to drive down.
Like that the radio still does not obstruct your vision. A problem on many cars.
There something weird I noticed about the shift gauge whenever u change gears it delays like around 1 to 2 seconds delay
Toyota: Designed to be tracked but not to be tracked lol~.
Thank you for making these. It may be closest I ever get to driving my dream car. Year after year I save and I save and don’t quite make it or something comes up. But your povs give me hope in a way haha. Anyways love your drives!
Bring back the performance package with 17" wheels
love how you showed this master piece, I love its simplicity, how it handles and feels, your video gave a very good idea and Im now sold to GR, i will be test driving soon, thank you for a good show
I love the look of these cars but the engine is very lackluster
Lack of details, why does the Toyota logo have to be on a black background? It should be removed and made transparent, that would be better.
34k plus the 4k markup im sure lmao
Hey Topher, i have a set of 17x8 Apexs on order and will go for 225-45-17, but want to keep the playful character while being texas winter capable. What tire would you suggest? Fk460 a good budget option?
Haven’t personally tested the fk460 in the winter but I hear they’re good in the snow! Can’t go wrong with that or the Michelin crossclimate 2
@@TheTopher thanks! Yea not worried about snow at all, its texas after all😁
What are the options i have if I want to make my gr exhaust louder ? Would I just have to get a completely new catback or is there an axle back muffler delete available that connects to the flanges of this exhaust
Stunning blue! But @9+% financing...NO EFFING WAY! Keeping my MazSpeed 3...which gets 35 hwy. Only aftermarket was a MagnaFlow catback I installed myself for $450.