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I still prefer the minimalism and concepts of McQuarrie in Rebels; however you are correct, we are seeing improvements on this type of animation, every series. This looks miles better than what TCW season 7 did, and even improved over season 1 of the show. Its pretty spectacular now.
Yep, they're really taking the "Every shot a painting" idea seriously. Feels like a pretty linear progression to me though - Clone Wars S1-6 < Clone Wars S7 < 'Tales...' < Bad Batch S3 - so long as we leave 'Visions' aside and of course 'Rebels' which was trying something different (and for me inferior but mileage varies of course).
It actually reminded me of Jedi Outcast. The mission where you fight Tavion; when you're in the room to unlock the dock doors, you can look down out the windows and see Tavion command stormtroopers into the building and if you look at her through the binoculars, she will turn around and stare directly at you.
@@awesomeausman0422 Idk about that one, Ashoka is in the New Republic Era. Even if Asaji shows up, they won't take the time to explain her backstory for that show.
@@thecams3858 I was really proud of crosshair for how he fought considering all he's been through i thought she would of easily folded him like a lawn chair
Yep. The people behind the Bad Batch said her survival will be explored in future content. So it will be either in this show or Im thinking Tales of the Jedi season 2.
@@joethahobo I don't think she survived, I think she died and was straight up resurrected. Quinlan laid her to rest in the pools of Dathomir where she was embraced by Magick. Nightsister Spirits resurecting a power champion laid in the ichor 100% fits with canon.
@@jiffypoo5029my theory: when Nightsisters are nearly killed they enter a dormant state of regeneration. When put into the waters of Dathomir, the process is complete and the Nightsister awakes. That’s what Thrawn and The Great Mothers are going to do with all those dormant Nightsister crates they’re talking to Dathomir.
@@jiffypoo5029no one’s ever really gone” 🤓. This universe has no stakes. Why even bother. I guess Tech’s alive too, and Anakin after ROTJ, and why not Ki Adi Mundi while we’re here?
Even Anakin who has the highest M count ever, still couldn’t use the force at will. He had to be trained. The way I always saw it, the higher number, the more likely it is to be able to use the force.
@@Fernando5455Jr Yup, and even though we see how powerful Anakin is becoming in ROTS, he's nowhere near the level of Yoda or Sidious yet. Its all about that training and discipline.
@@iluvyummywaffles yeah tell me about it I'm conflicted whether to unsubscribe and block them cause every week I'm spoiled before I can even watch the show.
It makes some sense that Ventress would know some Jedi skills like communing with nature since she was initially trained as a Jedi before her master was killed and she turned to the Dark Side. Also for the yellow crystal, during Dark Disciple she was given a yellow saber so she might've just taken the crystal and either found one of her old sabers and replaced the crystal or built a copy of her old sabers and used the yellow crystal.
I'm surprised to see him, in the end discussion, be so impacted and concerned as to how it affects the canon. Isn't he the one that always rips on fans/commenters who criticize or worry about canon not being followed? He always seems to poo-poo that, saying "come on guys! It's all made up! If I enjoy it then I enjoy it, I don't get all worked up about canon". But he got pretty worked up about this story and it potentially breaking canon. That, or it even not explaining her resurrection in such a way that he's satisfied and feels like a story (in DD) he really likes isn't negatively affected by the new development.
@@nathanp2007 Yeah I was a bit surprised by this too. I expected a bigger deep dive and theorizing surrounding her character and how she was interacting with Omega, as well as how they could go further with Omega's M-Count potential. But much of the discussion was really pulled and deterred with the underlying "issue" of this potentially breaking canon. But I'm not all committed on the huge Star Wars Lore and Canon anyways.
Regardless of the question if Omega has a relatively highish M-count, Ventriss' point that Omega's going to have to go on her own eventually still stands. Certainly staying on Pabu would be ill-advised.
The pool Quinlan laid her to rest in was the same pool that was home of the creature Quinlan killed which generated the green glowing water which is used for magiks including transforming Savage, so until we get a more full explanation I will assume the waters brought her back. Bathing/baptism and rebirth is such a common trope it seems the most likely explanation
Can I just say, there was something so soothing about this episode exploring some underwater fighting even if for a short time. The one area of Star Wars that in my opinion is the least explored of all kinds of worlds that Star Wars has is snow worlds and then ocean worlds at number one. We got it once with the Gungans in Phantom Menace, the battle with Kit Fisto in Tartakovsky's 2D clone wars and then in the actual mainline Clone Wars show with the The Battle of Mon Cala arc in Season 4. Give me more of that please!
I really loved this episode. I thought that they did a really great job in just about every aspect of this episode. There were just so many amazing, interesting and entertaining scenes and moments throughout this episode. Again, the voice acting was perfect, I feel like all the voice actors were giving an amazing performance and through their deliveries they felt like they were fully dedicate and invested to their character and their roles. I thought that the writing was really fantastic and the animation was incredible and was able to perfectly capture the tone and atmosphere of whatever it was trying to portray. And the music for this episode was really great, I’m so glad that they brought the Kiners back to do this shows score, I can’t wait to hear more of the music they have composed for this season. I loved Ventress in this episode. Not only was it amazing to get to see her on screen again for the first time in like 11 years, but I think she was utilized perfectly. I think it was really great and very interesting to get to see her at this point in her story. I thought it was really cool to see her being this neutral type figure and I really enjoyed getting to see her be more tapped into the Light Side here. I really enjoyed the interactions between Omega and Ventress, I thought they had a very interesting dynamic that reminded me a lot of Luke and Yoda from Empire Strikes Back. I also really like getting to see this more wise and calm Ventress who is more in tune with the Light Side and more capable and willing to be a teacher. Again, reminding me a lot of Yoda from Empire Strikes Back. I loved the fight scene between Ventress and the rest of the Bad Batch. I thought the choreography was really great and it was really cool to see them start out by going hand to hand against each other but but then as the fight progressed, they started to use their weapons, including Ventress pulling out her new Yellow Lightsaber. I will say, though there were certain parts during this fight where the footage looked oddly sped up, I don’t know what that was about, but other than that I still thought this fight scene was all around pretty cool. Also, this is just a small thing, but I really loved all the creature designs in this episode. I know they weren’t that important to this episodes plot, but I just really liked the look of that giant shelled, Squid creature and those glowing Stingray looking creatures. I’m still really interested in getting to see more from Omega and her M-Count. With the way Ventress was initially trying to cover it up it makes me wonder just how much of it Omega actually has. And with Ventress saying that Omega’s M-Count will make her even more of a target it makes me wonder for how much longer the Batch will be safe on Pabu before the Empire possibly shows up. It was just so awesome to get to see Ventress again in this episode, I can’t wait to see her possibly return at some point in the remainder of this show, or possibly in some upcoming show in the future, either way, I am really excited to see where her story goes from here. I can’t wait to see where the ending of this episode will lead into next week’s episode and how it will impact the future of this show and its continuing story. I am still really loving everything about this show and I can’t wait to see the rest of the season and where all the characters and this story and will go next. I absolutely cannot wait for next week’s episode, I am so excited!
FINALLY SHE'S BACK! This episode was so much better than I was expecting but so sad to see her leave again. I would love to see Omega leave with her and get more training, get a crystal, build a saber, get to use the force. And come back to the team stronger in the future. Loved the new Ventress.
THIS was the hand-to-hand combat I was hoping to see Ezra do in the Ahsoka live action when he says he didn't need his lightsaber anymore. Using the Force as an extension for a palm blast or fighting like a firebender (fast strikes, agile movement).
@@rockerojerez349 well shes not a jedi, but possibly sensitive, still dont rlly know. I mean it somewhat makes sense, the Kaminoans had a ton of experiments going on and Palpatine has been trying to clone himself for a mintue now
There was a comic series where she was apparently killed. However, she went into a force healing trance until she could revive. Dooku's lightning could have critically wounded her where she went into a trance. Obi-Wan and Vos put her into stasis and then buried her in her home waters; which are magical and healing. So, she could have been revived WITHOUT breaking canon. Aside, it was a peaceful species of fish that Vos had to kill using the dark side.
Everyone always gushes about how Eric is the 'Lore Master' of the crew and all. But I gotta say, Aaron's not half bad either!! He gives him a run for his money often times, ngl! ;P
Aaron’s got a ton of Old Republic info in him too. I personally love that era with the video games and comics especially, I also have some novels in that era but haven’t read them all. But in their Jedi Survivor play-through, he makes a lot of references and in their Star Wars videos he’ll drop little old republic MMO moments that surprise me sometimes
@@TheNinjaBees Was about to ask you where you heard his TOR tidbits from and then you mentioned it later on in the same comment haha! Sweet, I'll have to set aside some time to check out their full Jedi Survivor playthroughs soon! Was always meaning to, but now I have even more reason to!! And that's so awesome, man. Hell yah. For over a decade now, TOR's easily been my 2nd favorite era, just sliiiiightly underneath the PT/CW! And all those cinematics are such gems too, like holy PLAGUEIS. 😂🥵🙌🙌
Guess whose back, back again...its Ventress. Ventress is back. Anyone else notice the scars on Ventress' face (possibly from Dooku's force lightning) I like how Omega retrieving a flower is like how Fiona got rid of Donkey so she could pull the arrow out of Shrek's butt in Shrek. If only they knew a force sensitive on a planet with a deep connection to nature *cough* Gungi & the Wookies *cough* "We are what they grow beyond. That is the true burden of all masters."
I think the main idea they're going for is that clones don't have a M count at all, so Omega happens to be the first clone to have a M count, even if it's albeit very very small. Basically unless she trained hard like Sabine, she ain't using the force.
I'm a few days late, yeah, but they did say that Dark Diciple is still canon, and nothing from it has been retconed, and that more info would be given on how she's still alive in upcoming stories that they're working on.
Ok... hear me out..... it's long, but it would work. Since this is the last season for BB and Omega is LITERALLY the key to connecting the sequels and the Filoni verse.... She will wind up going off with Asajj and the boys will sacrifice themselves for it to happen. During their time together Omega starts to develop her force abilities while every episode is the standard mix of bounty hunting while being chased by the empire. Omega's training is thoroughly punctuated with wise tales about her time with Voss to give it that moral impact...but actually serving as a way to both explain how Asajj survived and allow Lucasfilm to capitalize on the Dark Disciple storyline. Disney then milks it for as long as necessary until Filoni can use a grown up Omega in live action along with AV. Omega gets tied into Grogu for cloning Palpatine. Asajj could then tie into Thrawn's storyline with the Witches. With is going to give us an amazing scene in either an episode or maybe even the big movie where Asajj and Ahsoka team up against Thrawn and the Witches that ultimately leads to a very deep symbolic situation with Ahsoka, once light..., now paired with Asajj, once dark... Ahsoka's Yin to Asajj's Yang in a dichotomy of what is finally once and for all a true balance of the force. No Jedi, no Sith....only the Force in balance with nature...which if you look, has been Filoni's direction this entire time. .... or it could have just been a one time nostalgic cameo to make fans happy. ... just sayin.
I was just scrolling, painfully, through movies not knowing what to watch, aware in the back of my mind this was dropping very soon because I just finished the ep and loved it oh man. And immediately this notification. I’ve never clicked so fast It’s really crazy they just openly showed you know who in the trailer. And even yesterday they advertised her Been waiting for episode 8 and number 3 are the best ones. this episode had me giggling and kicking my feet looked up an interview and one of the writers says how she survived will be in future content The pool Quinlan laid her to rest in was the same pool that was home of the creature Quinlan killed which generated the the the the green glowing water which is used for Magiks including transforming Savage, so until we get a more full explanation I will assume the waters brought her back. Bathing/baptism and rebirth is such a common trope it seems the most likely explanation for Wrecker having a Zeb moment when he was looking at the creepy killer assassin. I didn't know Boris the Animal was part of the blind wave crew. momma is BACK!!!! This episode and who's in it is an example of why I try to stay away from trailers. (Unfortunately made the mistake of watching this particular trailer when it came out) There's also the potential for degrees of Force Sensitivity. Everyone in the galaxy is very slightly Force Sensitive, it's impossible to be devoid of the Force in canon- it's why George Lucus disliked the Vong, they broke the Force. And we see people on the fringe where they aren't sensitive enough to actively use the Force or become Sith / Jedi, but the Force still flows through them and they benefit from this stronger connection. Han Solo and other ace pilots are implied to be on the lower end of this 'mid-level' spectrum, and Chirrut Îmwe is on the higher end of this 'mid-level' spectrum, able to meditate for short-term precognition a few seconds into the future. So it's very possible Omega doesn't have the potential to actively use the Force, but she could be somewhere in that 'mid-level' spectrum between Han and Chirrut. Love this episode! let the Simping commence The Goth, Witch, Ex-Jedi, Ex-Sith Assassin, Ex-Bounty Hunter, Ex-Corpse! MY GIRL IS BACK! I will say, it was interesting seeing our heroes fight basically the Star Wars equivalent of a Kraken lol I have been looking forward to this God've missed her so much She can GROW hair?!?! Great reaction
I do love her facial expressions this time around. In the book Dark Disciple, they describe her connecting to the Force differently than she ever had and a peace that comes over her expression. This episode is exactly what I imagined it to be That being said, am I the only person who thinks the fist fights looks like it's straight out of a video game? Like it's not complete yet? I was watching this and wondering "Did these poor creators get their budget cut out of nowhere" On the point of the Dark Disciple, I knew that she died in that book but hadn't read it yet, so I quickly went through the whole story to prepare for this season. Get to the end and they've returned her to the water and I said "Didn't they call that the water of life in Clone Wars?" And aren't the Nightsisters always messing with bringing the dead back to life? So I'm not thinking her surviving is all that crazy. Like Maul, it's really going to depend on what they do with her, but I already like where she's at. She's not a full good guy, but she's not a bad guy either, and like I said, the expressions on her face are a delight to watch
@@caleb2670 I thought that was great but slightly janky. However switching it to cinema mode on my OLED and it was smooth as silk. We see how good they are with this version of the engine now in fighting scenes through Tales Of The Empire, perhaps they tried it out first here.
Every time this happens it just vindicates my "no trailers, no promos" policy. (not for something I _know_ i'm going to watch anyway - these days they only ever spoil IMO)
We will get more of how she survived, maybe from a new show or season 2 of Tales of the Jedi. She was brought back to her home world and laid to rest in some of the waters, so I imagine her return has something to do with how they put her to rest and where.
I was just scrolling, painfully, through movies not knowing what to watch, aware in the back of my mind this was dropping very soon because I just finished the ep and loved it oh man. And immediately this notification. I’ve never clicked so fast
In this particular episode, it struck me how scruffy our boys are starting to look. The team has really been through alot since their introduction in season 7 of the Clone Wars. Also, my theory is that Tech has not died, and that he was converted into one of those shadows. Perhaps even the one that was chasing our boys down the jungle a few episodes back, before Wolffe helped them by letting them escape.
They said the unfinished Clone Wars episodes are treated as canon since they're all fully scripted, just not produced. Via Pablo Hidalgo during the "Untold Clone Wars Panel" video on the Star Wars RUclips channel.
Someone should tell Aaron Merrin isn’t reasonable. Bad Batch at the latest takes place in 18 BBY. Merrin hadn’t even left Dathomir by then. She didn’t even meet Cal or leave Dathomir until 14 BBY
This episode and who's in it is an example of why I try to stay away from trailers. (Unfortunately made the mistake of watching this particular trailer when it came out) 💜
I believe she was placed in a green glowing pool on dathomir by Quinlan Vos and Obi-Wan... i'm just glad she's back and if you notice she to use the dark side by accident it's kind of a test for her to to summon that monster and tame it...
I like the idea that Omega is a kind of genetic mimic, kind of like Rogue of the X-Men. She isn't inherently Force sensitive, but when around someone that is, she becomes more sensitive. When around Crosshair, she becomes more like Crosshair. When around Hunter, she is more like Hunter, etc. This makes her blood perfect for what Palpatine wants to do.
I don't think that Omega has a high M count, because otherwise why would the Empire keep killing all the Jedi that they come across? Why aren't they using them for the Palpatine experiment? I think instead, Omega has something in her blood that accepts midicholorians or something of that nature. Because in the experiment, they were adding something to the blood and then testing it. I think they were testing if they could add midichlorians to a host body
That's what Emerie told Hemlock when Omega escaped (that she can facilitate an M-Count Transfer). The Bad Batch don't know, though. I don't think she's force sensitive, more a force catalyst.
I agree. So I did not watch the trailer, but I still got spoiled about her return before the episode. Not watching a trailer is not that hard, but you'll have to stay away from all fandom related comment sections too. Because people love to comment " This episode was sooo boring. I cant wait for so and so to show up." Or " where is my girl so and so" or " im only waching to see....: Even in comment sections that dont have the trailer as their main subject. If your not in those online fandom spaces i say its posible not to get spoiled but otherwise it's really hard.
@@karin-ph1yn Even then, if you are not part of the watch the episode at 3am gang you are probably getting spoiled, especially if you go on RUclips. So many thumbnails of Ventress.
Looks like that creature the slavers had, and that one clone wars episode where Anakin was being pulled into it the one episode with the slave queen I forget her name I think you know what I'm talking about. It was on that ship,with all the taken creatures,, and he ended up killing it maybe that's the baby version. Looks exactly like it just smaller..
Blixus is the big sea creatures species.. and yes, we saw it but a small version of it in the clone wars the episode with the slavers the queen gets killed, I forget the name of the episode
This CANNOT be the last time we see Asajj. It’s like the Commander Cody situation, you really want me to believe they just bring these characters in for one episode with no explanation? I don’t think so but who knows ‼️
She was laid to rest in the magical Waters of her Homeworld so it's likely that that type of baptism is what brought her back from the brink or she could have been very literal when she said she had more lives left and she's being kept Alive by night sister magics. Also seeing as she's a bounty hunter specifically looking for high M count bounties and knowing her relationship with Voss it's likely she is helping protect Force sensitive children and is probably still in contact with him as part of the path
Your faces when Ventress showed up were THE BEST! On the one hand, I wish I hadn't seen the trailer, but it did have me looking forward to your reactions to it all season! I'm happy believing that being laid to rest in the glowing green magic lake on Darhomir had something to do with her return. And her newfound balance and affinity towards living beings clearly reflects Quinlan's influence on her. I agree with Aaron that her growth has been great character development. After watching the episode again, I think it sets up Ventress as a future ally for Omega, potentially if/when she loses her brothers. As always, great discussion, thanks guys!
My belief is there is not exactly Canon when it comes to these Clone Wars adjacent books. Also as they announced on social media we are going to find out more about Ventrice. "How she survived will be revealed in future content, but for this story, we were thrilled to include her and explore her unique connection to, and compassion for, Omega.” - Jennifer Corbett.
To be fair ➕ 🐰 didn't change he would have still been loyal to the EMPIRE but they betrayed him, put him in prison. ➕ 🐰 is still the same person just put his loyalty back into his squad. His loyalty to OMEGA goes without saying. She is loyal to him so he is loyal to her and then some just by him staying close to her during that fire fight with WOLF earlier.
23:58 ya know what, how did she get her original hilt back? Both her sabers were taken by Bariss Offee and then confiscated by the Jedi Order after Bariss was arrested. There may be no Jedi now but there is The Empire, and they should now have possession of her sabers. So like, did she just make herself a new saber? And if so, why make it look EXACTLY like her old ones that were gifted to her by Dooku?
I don't know how are we treating Darth Vader 2020 comics since it was kind of made to give Exegol and the sequels a bit legitimacy but in those comics both Vader and the Emperor used beast control, since you said we haven't seen dark side users do that I wanted to mention that.
Omega seems to be able to copy other people's abilities, maybe with help from the force-- we'll see. But in other words, she seems to be able to "clone" other people's skills-- possibly making her the ultimate clone?
Yeah like you guys were saying for the most part, I think ventress told omega there's no m count just to make her feel like there's no sense in training so she can put that behind her and just continue being with her brothers, since the empire is after her anyway and clearly that's not going to change, that's the more important issue. Ventress knew that it'd be a one in a million chance that she'd even show any skill right off the bat anyway. I think she tested her out of curiosity and basically got her answer. She knows that she's sensitive enough to have communication with animals if she trained a little, and that could be helpful, but not enough sensitivity to wisk her away and make an apprentice of her. And definitely not enough to take her from her bros. So she tells her she has no m-count even though she didn't test her blood, because m-count means nothing to her. But it clearly means enough to the empire, and she's already on the run from them, so nothing is changed in that regard. ventress wasn't there to count midichlorians, she went there to welcome them to the shit show.
Love seeing Ventress back in this environment. Even if the logic is a little thin. Was not expecting her at all. That yellow lightsaber was great to see again. But yeah- the story doesn’t seem quite right
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Nothing is better than the Bad Batch and Clone Wars.
There are a bunch of people that want to shot down the franchise.
Man she looks great, they have seriously perfected this art style. Every episode is gorgeous
I still prefer the minimalism and concepts of McQuarrie in Rebels; however you are correct, we are seeing improvements on this type of animation, every series. This looks miles better than what TCW season 7 did, and even improved over season 1 of the show. Its pretty spectacular now.
Amen to that.
@@shugaroonyyeah just the hair physics and lighting effects have been amazing
Yep, they're really taking the "Every shot a painting" idea seriously.
Feels like a pretty linear progression to me though - Clone Wars S1-6 < Clone Wars S7 < 'Tales...' < Bad Batch S3 - so long as we leave 'Visions' aside and of course 'Rebels' which was trying something different (and for me inferior but mileage varies of course).
@shugaroony honestly I just wished rebels had a bigger budget to execute the art style better
Wrecker having a Zeb moment when he was looking at the creepy killer assassin.
I thought the same thing at that part.
I was reminded of Davy Jones' telescope trick in _Dead Man's Chest._
It actually reminded me of Jedi Outcast. The mission where you fight Tavion; when you're in the room to unlock the dock doors, you can look down out the windows and see Tavion command stormtroopers into the building and if you look at her through the binoculars, she will turn around and stare directly at you.
The Goth, Witch, Ex-Jedi, Ex-Sith Assassin, Ex-Bounty Hunter, Ex-Corpse! MY GIRL IS BACK!
Ex-Corpse haha, good one!
The Drow Elf of Star Wars is back!
2:35... "What?!", "Nooo", "Sweeet!", "What, how?". I love that reaction, haha.
looked up an interview and one of the writers says how she survived will be in future content
Tales Of The Jedi Season 2. Here we Go!!!!
@@jungleblazers1249 or Ahsoka season 2.
That's another possibility
@@awesomeausman0422 Idk about that one, Ashoka is in the New Republic Era. Even if Asaji shows up, they won't take the time to explain her backstory for that show.
@@awesomeausman0422or Ventress could get her own spinoff series😳
@ronnyday6294 we'll see.
For now, in my own opinion, I'm thinking they'll give us more of her in Tales of the Jedi or Ahsoka Season 2.
I appreciate that Hunter was far and away the best hand-to-hand fighter in the squad.
Crosshair held his own though. Impressive considering he’s basically been tortured and malnourished for months
@@thecams3858 I was really proud of crosshair for how he fought considering all he's been through i thought she would of easily folded him like a lawn chair
Nah Crosshair
Someone mentioned this leading into a Tales of the Jedi arc could be cool and I fully agree.
Yep. The people behind the Bad Batch said her survival will be explored in future content. So it will be either in this show or Im thinking Tales of the Jedi season 2.
@@joethahobo I don't think she survived, I think she died and was straight up resurrected. Quinlan laid her to rest in the pools of Dathomir where she was embraced by Magick. Nightsister Spirits resurecting a power champion laid in the ichor 100% fits with canon.
@@jiffypoo5029my theory: when Nightsisters are nearly killed they enter a dormant state of regeneration. When put into the waters of Dathomir, the process is complete and the Nightsister awakes.
That’s what Thrawn and The Great Mothers are going to do with all those dormant Nightsister crates they’re talking to Dathomir.
@@jiffypoo5029no one’s ever really gone” 🤓. This universe has no stakes. Why even bother. I guess Tech’s alive too, and Anakin after ROTJ, and why not Ki Adi Mundi while we’re here?
"Your blood doesn't make you a Jedi" is a line I've been hoping to hear someone say in canon since 1999.
Even Anakin who has the highest M count ever, still couldn’t use the force at will. He had to be trained. The way I always saw it, the higher number, the more likely it is to be able to use the force.
Starting a race earlier than everyone else doesn't guarantee you cross the finish line first.
@@Fernando5455Jr Yup, and even though we see how powerful Anakin is becoming in ROTS, he's nowhere near the level of Yoda or Sidious yet. Its all about that training and discipline.
I've been waiting years to say this "badass good girl" *DING DING DING DING*
So glad they weren’t spoiled so that the jaw drops were genuine shock
I'm also glad their thumbnail wasn't a spoiler, like a lot of other channels do to get clicks.
I wish it wasn’t in the trailer
@@iluvyummywaffles yeah tell me about it I'm conflicted whether to unsubscribe and block them cause every week I'm spoiled before I can even watch the show.
@@iluvyummywaffles fr bruh, i was just scrolling in youtube and i get spoiled by the thumbnail
@@LaCheeserieIm glad they didnt watch the trailer
It makes some sense that Ventress would know some Jedi skills like communing with nature since she was initially trained as a Jedi before her master was killed and she turned to the Dark Side. Also for the yellow crystal, during Dark Disciple she was given a yellow saber so she might've just taken the crystal and either found one of her old sabers and replaced the crystal or built a copy of her old sabers and used the yellow crystal.
eric was just in shock the whole episode 😂
I'm surprised to see him, in the end discussion, be so impacted and concerned as to how it affects the canon. Isn't he the one that always rips on fans/commenters who criticize or worry about canon not being followed? He always seems to poo-poo that, saying "come on guys! It's all made up! If I enjoy it then I enjoy it, I don't get all worked up about canon". But he got pretty worked up about this story and it potentially breaking canon. That, or it even not explaining her resurrection in such a way that he's satisfied and feels like a story (in DD) he really likes isn't negatively affected by the new development.
If he likes it then it’s a problem. He also shits on fan films because they “break canon”
All their reactions were in shock.
I'm glad they didn't look at the comments to their poll last week
@nathanp2007 how does it break Canon though? Haven't got to the discussion yet...
@@nathanp2007 Yeah I was a bit surprised by this too. I expected a bigger deep dive and theorizing surrounding her character and how she was interacting with Omega, as well as how they could go further with Omega's M-Count potential. But much of the discussion was really pulled and deterred with the underlying "issue" of this potentially breaking canon. But I'm not all committed on the huge Star Wars Lore and Canon anyways.
Regardless of the question if Omega has a relatively highish M-count, Ventriss' point that Omega's going to have to go on her own eventually still stands. Certainly staying on Pabu would be ill-advised.
Predicting that the Bad Batch, outside of Omega, will all die at the end, and Ventress will take her under her wing
The pool Quinlan laid her to rest in was the same pool that was home of the creature Quinlan killed which generated the green glowing water which is used for magiks including transforming Savage, so until we get a more full explanation I will assume the waters brought her back. Bathing/baptism and rebirth is such a common trope it seems the most likely explanation
One important past thing to remember is that AV /she was once a jedi padwan who's master was killed infront of her.
Can I just say, there was something so soothing about this episode exploring some underwater fighting even if for a short time. The one area of Star Wars that in my opinion is the least explored of all kinds of worlds that Star Wars has is snow worlds and then ocean worlds at number one. We got it once with the Gungans in Phantom Menace, the battle with Kit Fisto in Tartakovsky's 2D clone wars and then in the actual mainline Clone Wars show with the The Battle of Mon Cala arc in Season 4. Give me more of that please!
That part in the 2D is great because if they were all underwater kit fisto would be the best jedi so we get to see his full potential
@@caleb2670 well he’s pretty much the only real Jedi during that time that could’ve dominated that battle as much as he did
I really loved this episode. I thought that they did a really great job in just about every aspect of this episode. There were just so many amazing, interesting and entertaining scenes and moments throughout this episode. Again, the voice acting was perfect, I feel like all the voice actors were giving an amazing performance and through their deliveries they felt like they were fully dedicate and invested to their character and their roles. I thought that the writing was really fantastic and the animation was incredible and was able to perfectly capture the tone and atmosphere of whatever it was trying to portray. And the music for this episode was really great, I’m so glad that they brought the Kiners back to do this shows score, I can’t wait to hear more of the music they have composed for this season. I loved Ventress in this episode. Not only was it amazing to get to see her on screen again for the first time in like 11 years, but I think she was utilized perfectly. I think it was really great and very interesting to get to see her at this point in her story. I thought it was really cool to see her being this neutral type figure and I really enjoyed getting to see her be more tapped into the Light Side here. I really enjoyed the interactions between Omega and Ventress, I thought they had a very interesting dynamic that reminded me a lot of Luke and Yoda from Empire Strikes Back. I also really like getting to see this more wise and calm Ventress who is more in tune with the Light Side and more capable and willing to be a teacher. Again, reminding me a lot of Yoda from Empire Strikes Back. I loved the fight scene between Ventress and the rest of the Bad Batch. I thought the choreography was really great and it was really cool to see them start out by going hand to hand against each other but but then as the fight progressed, they started to use their weapons, including Ventress pulling out her new Yellow Lightsaber. I will say, though there were certain parts during this fight where the footage looked oddly sped up, I don’t know what that was about, but other than that I still thought this fight scene was all around pretty cool. Also, this is just a small thing, but I really loved all the creature designs in this episode. I know they weren’t that important to this episodes plot, but I just really liked the look of that giant shelled, Squid creature and those glowing Stingray looking creatures. I’m still really interested in getting to see more from Omega and her M-Count. With the way Ventress was initially trying to cover it up it makes me wonder just how much of it Omega actually has. And with Ventress saying that Omega’s M-Count will make her even more of a target it makes me wonder for how much longer the Batch will be safe on Pabu before the Empire possibly shows up. It was just so awesome to get to see Ventress again in this episode, I can’t wait to see her possibly return at some point in the remainder of this show, or possibly in some upcoming show in the future, either way, I am really excited to see where her story goes from here. I can’t wait to see where the ending of this episode will lead into next week’s episode and how it will impact the future of this show and its continuing story. I am still really loving everything about this show and I can’t wait to see the rest of the season and where all the characters and this story and will go next. I absolutely cannot wait for next week’s episode, I am so excited!
Oddly enough my favorite part of the reaction was when Aaron finally admitted he has face blindness lol
If she’s alive I’d love for some stories about her & Quinlan helping force sensitive kids escape the Empire with “The Path”
How she survived/came back to life will be explored in a future project btw
where was this confirmed? I am honestly very curious about this
@@DefaultDanielSClips Not sure, but you don't update her model just for a one-off like here. She's back!!
@@DefaultDanielSClipsyou’re not the only one
@@DefaultDanielSClips interview on the Star Wars website
@@DefaultDanielSClips I think Jennifer Corbett said it on twitter as well
You know what...
i was upset we never got an on screen ending for her so im happy !
FINALLY SHE'S BACK! This episode was so much better than I was expecting but so sad to see her leave again. I would love to see Omega leave with her and get more training, get a crystal, build a saber, get to use the force. And come back to the team stronger in the future. Loved the new Ventress.
THIS was the hand-to-hand combat I was hoping to see Ezra do in the Ahsoka live action when he says he didn't need his lightsaber anymore. Using the Force as an extension for a palm blast or fighting like a firebender (fast strikes, agile movement).
Yeah, I was really looking forward to seeing him pull off some crazy moves. I really like Ahsoka, but that was definitely a major let down.
She lied about Omega being force sensitive because of the obvious attachment she has for her brothers.
But how Omega is a Jedi??
@rockerojerez349 If she's force sensitive, she'd still be untrained, so she wouldn't be a jedi, but she'd have the potential to become one
@@rockerojerez349 well shes not a jedi, but possibly sensitive, still dont rlly know. I mean it somewhat makes sense, the Kaminoans had a ton of experiments going on and Palpatine has been trying to clone himself for a mintue now
@@hdudhehdhd2222 It makes sense that the Kaminoans would be trying a variety of experiments with their cloning.
I don’t think that’s the part she lied about. I think she lied about the part that she doesn’t know why the empire is after her.
Ventress had me crying and pissing and shitting myself woth excitement ngl.
I didn't know Boris the Animal was part of the blind wave crew.
SO UNDERRATED
😂😂
You hit it right on the nail 😂
There was a comic series where she was apparently killed. However, she went into a force healing trance until she could revive. Dooku's lightning could have critically wounded her where she went into a trance. Obi-Wan and Vos put her into stasis and then buried her in her home waters; which are magical and healing. So, she could have been revived WITHOUT breaking canon.
Aside, it was a peaceful species of fish that Vos had to kill using the dark side.
It was a novel featuring her and Vos where she died, not a comic.
@@darrenrichardson6146 I'm referring to a comic series titled Obsession where she did the trance. The lightning was Dark Disciple.
"I've been looking forward to this"
Everyone always gushes about how Eric is the 'Lore Master' of the crew and all. But I gotta say, Aaron's not half bad either!! He gives him a run for his money often times, ngl! ;P
Aaron’s got a ton of Old Republic info in him too. I personally love that era with the video games and comics especially, I also have some novels in that era but haven’t read them all. But in their Jedi Survivor play-through, he makes a lot of references and in their Star Wars videos he’ll drop little old republic MMO moments that surprise me sometimes
@@TheNinjaBees Was about to ask you where you heard his TOR tidbits from and then you mentioned it later on in the same comment haha! Sweet, I'll have to set aside some time to check out their full Jedi Survivor playthroughs soon! Was always meaning to, but now I have even more reason to!! And that's so awesome, man. Hell yah. For over a decade now, TOR's easily been my 2nd favorite era, just sliiiiightly underneath the PT/CW! And all those cinematics are such gems too, like holy PLAGUEIS. 😂🥵🙌🙌
Guess whose back, back again...its Ventress. Ventress is back. Anyone else notice the scars on Ventress' face (possibly from Dooku's force lightning) I like how Omega retrieving a flower is like how Fiona got rid of Donkey so she could pull the arrow out of Shrek's butt in Shrek. If only they knew a force sensitive on a planet with a deep connection to nature *cough* Gungi & the Wookies *cough* "We are what they grow beyond. That is the true burden of all masters."
If you look at the close-ups of her face during kraken scene, she has lightening scars, so that thing with Dooku still happened.
To be fair she did eat some force lightning during season 3 of clone wars when she and savage tried killing dooku.
@@jacobireland1273She did, but the scars were specifically from the events of the novel.
this episode had me giggling and kicking my feet
Eric mentioning the Jedi Outcast sniper rifle triggered my Nar Shadaa PTSD
I think the main idea they're going for is that clones don't have a M count at all, so Omega happens to be the first clone to have a M count, even if it's albeit very very small. Basically unless she trained hard like Sabine, she ain't using the force.
I'm a few days late, yeah, but they did say that Dark Diciple is still canon, and nothing from it has been retconed, and that more info would be given on how she's still alive in upcoming stories that they're working on.
Ok... hear me out..... it's long, but it would work.
Since this is the last season for BB and Omega is LITERALLY the key to connecting the sequels and the Filoni verse.... She will wind up going off with Asajj and the boys will sacrifice themselves for it to happen. During their time together Omega starts to develop her force abilities while every episode is the standard mix of bounty hunting while being chased by the empire. Omega's training is thoroughly punctuated with wise tales about her time with Voss to give it that moral impact...but actually serving as a way to both explain how Asajj survived and allow Lucasfilm to capitalize on the Dark Disciple storyline. Disney then milks it for as long as necessary until Filoni can use a grown up Omega in live action along with AV. Omega gets tied into Grogu for cloning Palpatine. Asajj could then tie into Thrawn's storyline with the Witches. With is going to give us an amazing scene in either an episode or maybe even the big movie where Asajj and Ahsoka team up against Thrawn and the Witches that ultimately leads to a very deep symbolic situation with Ahsoka, once light..., now paired with Asajj, once dark...
Ahsoka's Yin to Asajj's Yang in a dichotomy of what is finally once and for all a true balance of the force. No Jedi, no Sith....only the Force in balance with nature...which if you look, has been Filoni's direction this entire time.
.... or it could have just been a one time nostalgic cameo to make fans happy.
... just sayin.
According to a recent star wars interview, they will eventually explain how Ventress survived in some future content. We just don't know what or when.
She can GROW hair?!?!
I was just scrolling, painfully, through movies not knowing what to watch, aware in the back of my mind this was dropping very soon because I just finished the ep and loved it oh man. And immediately this notification. I’ve never clicked so fast It’s really crazy they just openly showed you know who in the trailer. And even yesterday they advertised her Been waiting for episode 8 and number 3 are the best ones. this episode had me giggling and kicking my feet looked up an interview and one of the writers says how she survived will be in future content The pool Quinlan laid her to rest in was the same pool that was home of the creature Quinlan killed which generated the the the the green glowing water which is used for Magiks including transforming Savage, so until we get a more full explanation I will assume the waters brought her back. Bathing/baptism and rebirth is such a common trope it seems the most likely explanation for Wrecker having a Zeb moment when he was looking at the creepy killer assassin. I didn't know Boris the Animal was part of the blind wave crew. momma is BACK!!!! This episode and who's in it is an example of why I try to stay away from trailers. (Unfortunately made the mistake of watching this particular trailer when it came out) There's also the potential for degrees of Force Sensitivity. Everyone in the galaxy is very slightly Force Sensitive, it's impossible to be devoid of the Force in canon- it's why George Lucus disliked the Vong, they broke the Force. And we see people on the fringe where they aren't sensitive enough to actively use the Force or become Sith / Jedi, but the Force still flows through them and they benefit from this stronger connection. Han Solo and other ace pilots are implied to be on the lower end of this 'mid-level' spectrum, and Chirrut Îmwe is on the higher end of this 'mid-level' spectrum, able to meditate for short-term precognition a few seconds into the future. So it's very possible Omega doesn't have the potential to actively use the Force, but she could be somewhere in that 'mid-level' spectrum between Han and Chirrut. Love this episode! let the Simping commence The Goth, Witch, Ex-Jedi, Ex-Sith Assassin, Ex-Bounty Hunter, Ex-Corpse! MY GIRL IS BACK!
I will say, it was interesting seeing our heroes fight basically the Star Wars equivalent of a Kraken lol
I have been looking forward to this God've missed her so much She can GROW hair?!?! Great reaction
the last episode was obvious with Vintress them song playing when Finnic was talking to her
I do love her facial expressions this time around. In the book Dark Disciple, they describe her connecting to the Force differently than she ever had and a peace that comes over her expression. This episode is exactly what I imagined it to be
That being said, am I the only person who thinks the fist fights looks like it's straight out of a video game? Like it's not complete yet? I was watching this and wondering "Did these poor creators get their budget cut out of nowhere"
On the point of the Dark Disciple, I knew that she died in that book but hadn't read it yet, so I quickly went through the whole story to prepare for this season. Get to the end and they've returned her to the water and I said "Didn't they call that the water of life in Clone Wars?" And aren't the Nightsisters always messing with bringing the dead back to life? So I'm not thinking her surviving is all that crazy. Like Maul, it's really going to depend on what they do with her, but I already like where she's at. She's not a full good guy, but she's not a bad guy either, and like I said, the expressions on her face are a delight to watch
I thought the fight was cool it felt like she was moving faster than human eyes can process
@@caleb2670 I thought that was great but slightly janky. However switching it to cinema mode on my OLED and it was smooth as silk. We see how good they are with this version of the engine now in fighting scenes through Tales Of The Empire, perhaps they tried it out first here.
It’s really crazy they just openly showed you know who in the trailer. And even yesterday they advertised her
Trailers and advertisements in general. They dont care about spoilers.
@@victorious8562 sometimes they do
@@patricksocha6930 Baby Yoda, Disney lost so much potential profit by not prepping for him for the premiere.
@@collecter343 what's that got to do with trailers spoiling bits of a show/movie?
Every time this happens it just vindicates my "no trailers, no promos" policy.
(not for something I _know_ i'm going to watch anyway - these days they only ever spoil IMO)
This might be the best looking Clone Wars/Bad Batch episode ever
Never say never, Aaron. #CompleteTheCloneWars #AnimateSonofDathomir
We will get more of how she survived, maybe from a new show or season 2 of Tales of the Jedi. She was brought back to her home world and laid to rest in some of the waters, so I imagine her return has something to do with how they put her to rest and where.
I was just scrolling, painfully, through movies not knowing what to watch, aware in the back of my mind this was dropping very soon because I just finished the ep and loved it oh man. And immediately this notification. I’ve never clicked so fast
Here's hoping for a live action Ventress and Quinlan too one day.
Pretty sure Cal is in his 20s in fallen order
The ending of her story in the book had her in a pool of magick water so she’s straight up resurrected
Ventress is cool and all, but really? Why? How? She does Jedi training with Omega? This is so random...
As soon as I saw the Tentacles and the creatures body I thought of the sleeper from dark deciple. It was described a little bit different tho
Can we please get an animated Dark Disciple movie!!!!
Final episode theyll reveal Omegas last name.. Palpatine 😈
Am I going crazy? I was trying to find this video earlier and could not find it for the life of me
In this particular episode, it struck me how scruffy our boys are starting to look. The team has really been through alot since their introduction in season 7 of the Clone Wars.
Also, my theory is that Tech has not died, and that he was converted into one of those shadows. Perhaps even the one that was chasing our boys down the jungle a few episodes back, before Wolffe helped them by letting them escape.
They said the unfinished Clone Wars episodes are treated as canon since they're all fully scripted, just not produced. Via Pablo Hidalgo during the "Untold Clone Wars Panel" video on the Star Wars RUclips channel.
Someone should tell Aaron Merrin isn’t reasonable.
Bad Batch at the latest takes place in 18 BBY. Merrin hadn’t even left Dathomir by then. She didn’t even meet Cal or leave Dathomir until 14 BBY
This episode and who's in it is an example of why I try to stay away from trailers. (Unfortunately made the mistake of watching this particular trailer when it came out) 💜
Yeah me too. I didn’t even watch the trailer. It was in the thumbnail of the trailer. 😂
@JK_of_Today And all over social media regarding Bad Batch lol, these guys do it right when it comes to avoiding spoilers.
2 EPISODES NEXT WEEK.
I believe she was placed in a green glowing pool on dathomir by Quinlan Vos and Obi-Wan... i'm just glad she's back and if you notice she to use the dark side by accident it's kind of a test for her to to summon that monster and tame it...
35:25 I am "cautiously optimistic." ;)
Ventress is so bad😍😍
I like the idea that Omega is a kind of genetic mimic, kind of like Rogue of the X-Men. She isn't inherently Force sensitive, but when around someone that is, she becomes more sensitive. When around Crosshair, she becomes more like Crosshair. When around Hunter, she is more like Hunter, etc.
This makes her blood perfect for what Palpatine wants to do.
Cal was 12-13 yo when order 66 happened. He was 17-18 in fallen order and 22-23 in jedi survivor
She went from being hairless harpy to just a harpy 😂
momma is BACK!!!!
I don't think that Omega has a high M count, because otherwise why would the Empire keep killing all the Jedi that they come across? Why aren't they using them for the Palpatine experiment? I think instead, Omega has something in her blood that accepts midicholorians or something of that nature. Because in the experiment, they were adding something to the blood and then testing it. I think they were testing if they could add midichlorians to a host body
That's what Emerie told Hemlock when Omega escaped (that she can facilitate an M-Count Transfer). The Bad Batch don't know, though. I don't think she's force sensitive, more a force catalyst.
Yeah i think i might avoid trailers from now on...im so jealous of you guys. That wouldve been such a great surprise for me
I agree. So I did not watch the trailer, but I still got spoiled about her return before the episode.
Not watching a trailer is not that hard, but you'll have to stay away from all fandom related comment sections too. Because people love to comment " This episode was sooo boring. I cant wait for so and so to show up." Or " where is my girl so and so" or " im only waching to see....:
Even in comment sections that dont have the trailer as their main subject.
If your not in those online fandom spaces i say its posible not to get spoiled but otherwise it's really hard.
@@karin-ph1yn Even then, if you are not part of the watch the episode at 3am gang you are probably getting spoiled, especially if you go on RUclips. So many thumbnails of Ventress.
Looks like that creature the slavers had, and that one clone wars episode where Anakin was being pulled into it the one episode with the slave queen I forget her name I think you know what I'm talking about. It was on that ship,with all the taken creatures,, and he ended up killing it maybe that's the baby version. Looks exactly like it just smaller..
Been waiting for this👀.
This episode and number 3 are the best ones.
Hunter: She lied to us!"
Me: Umm...you never asked about her past, not telling someone stuff is not lying lol.
Batcher is a SHE, its driving me slowly but surely nuts xD
Best guess, Tales of the Jedi season two might cover this.
Blixus is the big sea creatures species.. and yes, we saw it but a small version of it in the clone wars the episode with the slavers the queen gets killed, I forget the name of the episode
Probably my favorite episode of bad batch so far, and there are some solid ones when it comes to Star Wars lore.
I said the same about the motion capture during Asajj's fight! It looked so clear but still blurred from her fast motion. Hats off to the animators!
Kiner family is awesome 🎶
Asajj Ventress looked hot
god ive missed her so much
We all have. What a goddess.
This CANNOT be the last time we see Asajj. It’s like the Commander Cody situation, you really want me to believe they just bring these characters in for one episode with no explanation? I don’t think so but who knows ‼️
They propably made Tales of Jedi with her or full spin off series
THIS HAS SEASON 2 TALES OF THE JEDI WRITTEN ALL OVER IT!
She was laid to rest in the magical Waters of her Homeworld so it's likely that that type of baptism is what brought her back from the brink or she could have been very literal when she said she had more lives left and she's being kept Alive by night sister magics. Also seeing as she's a bounty hunter specifically looking for high M count bounties and knowing her relationship with Voss it's likely she is helping protect Force sensitive children and is probably still in contact with him as part of the path
Your faces when Ventress showed up were THE BEST! On the one hand, I wish I hadn't seen the trailer, but it did have me looking forward to your reactions to it all season! I'm happy believing that being laid to rest in the glowing green magic lake on Darhomir had something to do with her return. And her newfound balance and affinity towards living beings clearly reflects Quinlan's influence on her. I agree with Aaron that her growth has been great character development.
After watching the episode again, I think it sets up Ventress as a future ally for Omega, potentially if/when she loses her brothers.
As always, great discussion, thanks guys!
Imagine older Omega learning the ways of the Force from older Ventress.
2:10 oh snap
Written material is always subject to retcon, it has always been considered a lesser tier of canon even by George himself.
My belief is there is not exactly Canon when it comes to these Clone Wars adjacent books. Also as they announced on social media we are going to find out more about Ventrice.
"How she survived will be revealed in future content, but for this story, we were thrilled to include her and explore her unique connection to, and compassion for, Omega.” - Jennifer Corbett.
To be fair ➕ 🐰 didn't change he would have still been loyal to the EMPIRE but they betrayed him, put him in prison. ➕ 🐰 is still the same person just put his loyalty back into his squad. His loyalty to OMEGA goes without saying. She is loyal to him so he is loyal to her and then some just by him staying close to her during that fire fight with WOLF earlier.
Remind me, does a yellow lightsaber mean something, or is it just a rare Kyber Cristal, like purple?
23:58 ya know what, how did she get her original hilt back? Both her sabers were taken by Bariss Offee and then confiscated by the Jedi Order after Bariss was arrested. There may be no Jedi now but there is The Empire, and they should now have possession of her sabers. So like, did she just make herself a new saber? And if so, why make it look EXACTLY like her old ones that were gifted to her by Dooku?
Mediclorians count? That’s what M count means, really , what is this episode 1, whn qui gon took anakin M count
Is this the best hand to hand combat we’ve seen in Star Wars? I’m struggling to think of something better.
I don't know how are we treating Darth Vader 2020 comics since it was kind of made to give Exegol and the sequels a bit legitimacy but in those comics both Vader and the Emperor used beast control, since you said we haven't seen dark side users do that I wanted to mention that.
Omega seems to be able to copy other people's abilities, maybe with help from the force-- we'll see. But in other words, she seems to be able to "clone" other people's skills-- possibly making her the ultimate clone?
when I saw her in the episode I came stright over here to see if yall freacked out like me
Yeah like you guys were saying for the most part, I think ventress told omega there's no m count just to make her feel like there's no sense in training so she can put that behind her and just continue being with her brothers, since the empire is after her anyway and clearly that's not going to change, that's the more important issue. Ventress knew that it'd be a one in a million chance that she'd even show any skill right off the bat anyway. I think she tested her out of curiosity and basically got her answer. She knows that she's sensitive enough to have communication with animals if she trained a little, and that could be helpful, but not enough sensitivity to wisk her away and make an apprentice of her. And definitely not enough to take her from her bros. So she tells her she has no m-count even though she didn't test her blood, because m-count means nothing to her. But it clearly means enough to the empire, and she's already on the run from them, so nothing is changed in that regard. ventress wasn't there to count midichlorians, she went there to welcome them to the shit show.
Love seeing Ventress back in this environment. Even if the logic is a little thin. Was not expecting her at all. That yellow lightsaber was great to see again. But yeah- the story doesn’t seem quite right
don’t mind her at all but i would love boba
Maybe it is obvious and a dumb question. But why won’t they just make a blood test like Qui-Gon did in episode one.
They don't have one of those automatic blood testers. I imagine they're impossible to get during the Empire era
let us ignore the fact that Ventress was train by Count Dooku himself