[SFM] Portal/2 Panels: Are they possible?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Low-effort animation looking into the possibility of constructing the Panels seen in Portal and Portal 2, as well as just an overall look at what they can do.
I say it's possible, but I like to think big. 
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If I may ask, where is this sudden surge of activity coming from? Are y'all just seeing this video randomly in the recommended tab or did someone mention it?
Lmao recommended
Top of my recommended right now
basically, yeah.
I got it recommended
recommended along with other random portal vids lol
Always makes me happy to see folks acknowledging the panels' AI. They have personalities, too. Remember the one that was just spinning around with a cube on top of it until you grabbed the cube, then it collapsed into the floor shyly? The floor is adorable. I rarely get to say that.
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@@TravisaInc wait WHAT?
The panels are adorable.
That panel was one of my favourite characters in the game. I always look for that sequence and put it wherever I can.
@@TetherAnimations9999 where is it
Now you get to meet.. maSHY SPIKE PLATE!
But seriously, excellent video!
That is not a panel. That's a crusher. We sell them too.
@@danielhetrick3435 can the portal community just stop being good at comedy
Aristotle vs mashy spike plate
It's the people like you on RUclips that actually bring interesting videos onto RUclips. Everything nowadays just seems bland and copied. We need more original creators like you on this site.
Interesting that 5 years ago people thought that simple Ai like the panels personality was impossible to imitate
They are absolutely possible, but definitely not cost effective. It's basically a standard robot arm that's used in many factories, but with an actuator and a panel attached to it. Safety could probably be a bit of a concern, if it should operate anywhere near humans.
the portal robots are honestly the best robots I've seen in fiction, the life they have is like Pixar level
To make the AI bit possible, a camera could be placed at the four corners coded to detect a certain type of movement (And recognize other panels as to not be alerted by there movement) And the move a certain way in the direction that movement was seen. A criteria has been met allowing it to become a ramp? It detects the movement and becomes the ramp to the destination- Nearby ramp-coded panels would react with the one panel and be coded to detect weight as to not collapse into place while the test subject is still using the ramp. Once the weight is gone and the camera cannot detect movement in the direction the subject is meant to approach it from, it collapses back into a floor
So underrated
I can't understand why people don't make mechanism like this? So many possibilities with these!
Probably because they would be super expensive and would require whatever the hell powers aperture
@cock and ball for example?
“That is not a panel, that is a crusher”
I wonder How Many Prototypes Cave Johnson Went Through
I've been just made aware of this lol. It is possible when we have reliable motors to operate that "locks-on" when its not functioning/turned off, also stability and safety which does not uphold in aperture haha
i just noticed that in portal 2 there is no piston floor panels, y'know that one that can only goes up and down
Ahh now I know almost everything in portal is self aware
actually putting rudimentary AI in these things would be both possible and possibly useful. Instead of programming in a specific sequence of target positions for the servos and motors, having a simple neural network handle the positioning could be good for several applications.
1:31 RUclipsrs that played portal 2 coop will understand the button door
this makes me want to make one now
You do know that they are real machines like this
they’re also sentient.
If only this person made this video this year and then the ai personality would not have been such a joke..
i dont have the resources to build them full sized but i can attempt a fully functional version using lego mindstorms, i might also be able to give them a basic ai if i can figure out how to do that
that's a crusher. they sell those too.
Roses are red. Violets are blue.
That's a crusher. We sell them too.
When you look at panels that keep trying to fit in a gap or something in portal 2 their camera goes red. Is there a reason for this?
Visual indicator that the panel is experiencing errors
now get the hacksmith build a few of them
I'm really curious though if a real life facility like aperture is actually possible, where it's run entirely by AI and can repair itself and shit.
I wonder if they could actually support a person of average weight.
Mind if I ask how you managed to get all those animations for the panels? Was it purely using the sequences within the model and just stitched together with the motion editor?
pretty much, yeah
@@TetherAnimations9999 Damn, guess I gotta play around with those panels more then. Cause this video, those panels looked smooth as hell!
Interesting. These are probably my favorite element of aperture science, they can rebuild the whole facility.
Yeah it's really cool, pretty sure they designed everything in portal 2 to be buildable in real life
@@NightNinja Well... Some things are, some things aren't. For example: Literally anything that has to do with sentient AI, we MIGHT be able to make portal guns, but that's way too far ahead in the future for us to guess.
But like... If given the resources, we COULD make turrets, panels and whatnot. Maybe even a lemon-ade.
@@Leekodot15 oh sorry, I meant you could physically build pretty much any of it in real life (ignoring the stuff like the AI's, portals and other non robotic things like that), like you could probably build the cores in real life using the in game models as a template but obviously the AI is way ahead of our time so it would just be at most a remote control robot, I remember hearing somewhere that while designing the models the creators wanted everything to be theoretically makeable in real life. Though I can't actually remember where I heard it though so I could be wrong.
@@NightNinja oh
Oh hecc
1:45 "This is not a panel. It's a crusher. We sell them too."
Dang it I was gonna comment that XD
I call this one "Smash"
"Cave Johnson we're done here"
@@Johndoe-jd damn it. You beat me too it
@TurretBox that's what Wheatley calls them
They are basically industrial robot arms (that exist IRL) holding a square plate. We already can make robot manipulstors of that size, strength, and speed, the only practical problem is that such robot arms cost as much as a car.
Considering it comes from the company that on the verge of bankruptcy decided to buy a buttload of poisonous moon-rocks, the economic consideration is moot.
If I ever win the lottery, I'm gonna make one of these
@@voodoodummie Yes but dont underestimate costs. Sure, the moonrocks are common and expensive, but you know whats also expensive? these damn things, and the fact is Theres MORE of these than square inches of moonrock. Dont forget that the black panels are also using these things, as well as the fact that theres t h o u s a n d s, maybe even f u c k i n g m i l l i o n s.
The fact aperture is fucking existant in portal has to be one of the most expensive thing in the entire fucking storyverse, because the combine citadels are big, aperture is bigger than any individual one, and the combine are likely communists, giving you just enough to feed yourself unless you're joining their ranks.
@Cyberman112 Unknown Yes but consider the extreme cost of building OLD APERTURE, and that ONLY GLaDoS'es awakening was killing the scientists. until then they still had people and were trying to sell these products stupidly.
Also IIRC it was said by word of god that the combine TRIED To get into aperture, but failed repeatedly until they just gave up.
I actually got to interact with one of these arms. My neighbor works at a robotics research lab and he took a small mobile one home to run tests and do work on the software
I love how whenever Aperture Science built anything they decided to give it sentience for no reason. I wouldn’t put it past them to make the portal gun sentient.
Oh god, now all I can think about is a portal gun with a sassy personality mocking the player whenever they're stuck in an area or get themselves killed or something XD
@@localqueergoblin7486 POTaTOS with more dialogue
sentient long fall boots that get mad when you land from a super high place
I guess you’re not going to pioneer AI without wanting to put it in everything
That's exactly what Leadhead said in his Portal video. Is this a reference to that or is it just a massive coincidence?
Can you imagine how expensive it would be to build even one of these panels? And Aperture has tens of thousands of them throughout their facility with replacements at any given moment?
And that's why they went bankrupt
also the moon rock coated ones
I suppose they manufactured all of the sub-components too, and all of their operations seem to be autonomous, so probably not as expensive as it seems. Perhaps raw materials go in, and panels come out, all that's required beyond this now is energy and space.
they probably would be too expensive
The bean counters told me we literally could not afford to build even one of these panels, much less tens of thousands of them. Built 'em anyway.
I remember the one that was trying to escape by banging itself against the wall.
Sorry, *w h a t ?*
@@half-bakedtomsin3129 The one that was banging against the wall.
@@noahwilliams8996 commented 6 months ago and replied to the person. what a legend
The ai explains that I guess
@@noahwilliams8996 wait so it was trying to commit suicide?
programming this would definitely not be the hardest part (aside from the personality thing). just slap some inverse kinematics on it and you can decide exactly where and in what direction you want your panel, and the arm things will do the rest for you.
I have to reply from my personal acct because I'm at work but I'm so happy the guy with the Mugi profile pic thinks the same way I do. This is exactly what I had in mind for controlling them
There's another comment it says that it would be possible to build the pannel but not AI you guys should colab and make it real
@@mothballz99 I was thinking that exact same thing
I have a feeling you don't know what your talking about.
@@Mr.Crawlyo *you're. And yeah this is all correct.
I'd love to see an in-miniature real world mockup of a Panel. An army of them would be VERY satisfying to watch.
Yesss
huh. thats... actually a fun idea for a desk robot. imagine it juggling your coffee cup or something. i might try this
@@pepsiatlas5452 That would be amazing
@@pepsiatlas5452 do it mate
@@pepsiatlas5452 didn't know you watch hermitcraft (docm77) and dream and Hishe
Ignore this. I’m just putting this here so I don’t have to keep double tapping my screen
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i refuse to ignore this
you have been noticed by the CEO of Addustan Science
It just makes it easier, man. Don’t be nit picky :(
@@EggCr0issant lol no it doesnt
no
@Chucky D
...Yes it does?? Are you seriously arguing about something I made months ago?? And I thought *I* was picky.
I mean, that AI is not "impossible" just very impractical.
Anyway, you could make these things and you could even make them without the cameras built in. A few gyroscopes and accelerometers is all you really need. With the right sensors in the right spots, it could never move without it triggering the right combo of sensors. With that, you can do some actually fairly simple math to calculate the panel's current position.
With the panel's current position, you can calculate how strongly and for how long to trigger each little motor controlling the panel's position, or just constantly update how much you're revving up those motors as the position constantly updates until it's in the desired position. The most complicated part I think would be finalizing that position by locking it in place somehow, but then making it easy for it to be moved again at a moment's notice. All of this added ontop of the robotic arm itself would be quite cheap, even. The real expense would be the robotic arm itself, those kinds of motors do not come cheap and that is a lot of thick heavy-duty steel.
It's the same technology, math, and programming used in VR Controllers today, just for a completely different purpose. :D
You don't really need gyros even, if every motor is a servo you can know the exact orientation of the panel, as long as the foundation they are mounted on is not movable.
This is in essence a robotic arm... industrial robots typically have servo motors that track their absolute position as well as an inverse kinematics model that calculates the required motor positions.
@@TheLaXandro well since they're suppose to be an emergency repair thing i guess? that would be the kicker to that
@@yshouldicar3 well fair enough but i mainly pointed out gyros and accelerometers because those are much more accessible on a consumer-level i think, like who sells full-on servo motors on a consumer level? but gyros and accelerometers are pretty accessible because they're used in all kinds of hobbyist electronic things
@@Templarfreak servo motors *are* sold "on a consumer level", and they serve completely different purposes then accelerometers and gyroscopes (they're motors for christ's sake). Come on man, this is simple stuff.
Aputure: We created portal's that bend space and time to get to another portal!
Also Aputure: We gAvE PeRsEnAlity To A PAnEl
Spelling 100
"All the doors in this spaceship have a cheerful and sunny disposition. It is their pleasure to open for you, and their satisfaction to close again with the knowledge of a job well done."
Also Also Aputure: We don't use our portals to send cube into tests, we use a clogged up vactube system that if routed incorrectly by a moron central core can impede science
Yes the programming part could be used
Basically use really strong stepper motors(or servos) with a fuck ton of power from a fusion reactor to power every plate in the facility
Basically defining basic movement
(Turn x degrees(x, y), push hydraulic piston out (y millimetres), take photos, etc) however it is pretty hard tp define X, Y positions for servos as they take degrees pf movement.
Then assign those functions to plates. Then plates to sets of plates. Then testing “labs” of plates. Then testing tracks of plates(you get the idea)
It would be quite impossible for the “AI” in the plates though
Aye Ye fookin w0t m8 why would the AI be impossible? If not linked to a master computer, the panels could enter AI mode, driven by the sensor data from their environment.
Ayden Shurley I mean it’s really hard to program emotions into a Ai along with the storage space within a panel
Mainly it’s just not efficient, useful, or helpful. Really it would be irrelevant and too hard to implement to get anything out of. When the Ai is mentioned I’m thinking it as more of a AGI than a narrow Ai
It’s very hard to implement emotions/ways of expressing said emotions
If from a master server then it could be possible but quite useless. I was talking about it from a single panel point of view without a server
one thing to say about AI, UP2 single board computer
@@ayeyefookinw0tm859 "it’s just not efficient, useful, or helpful"
Dude this is Aperture
New question, what the hell powers aperture
I'm a Computer Science student and I'd say something like this is definitely possible, and while I don't know much about mechanics it seems simple enough (if you've seen the versatile arms used in factories for constructing things such as cars, this really isn't much more complex than what's already in use)
In fact I would go as far to say it'd be fairly easy to build something like this, just very expensive. Excluding the part of the AI which isn't much to go by (in what sense are they AI? What information do they gather, and what are they even learning in their response? This could be relatively easy or outright impossible to implement realistically) this really shouldn't be much of a challenge to make a reality.
While it's obviously for a massively different purpose, the robotic arms used in factories are very similar. Great versatility in terms of movement, smart computers, and can even move heavy items, smart with lots of sensors. We already use all of the technologies needed to make this a reality in the world today.
The only reason why we don't have anything like this in the real world is that we have no application for it! Likely the cost is the biggest obstacle I imagine
I love how this video has not only gained an absurd amount of attention recently, but has been seen by multiple engineers and computer/tech science students and employees, mostly agreeing that it's relatively possible but rather expensive and pointless haha! Thanks for the input, I really appreciate it!
The panels have AI in the same way almost fucking everything in aperture does, they're basically sentient.
@@Sivanot correct almost its pretty much confirmed everything in aperture is sentient and its a pretty fucked idea if you think about it
@@TetherAnimations9999 Expensive and pointless. That's what almost all Aperture Science projects are lmao
Why is no one talking about them cooperating?
I'm sure they need AI primarily to cooperate with each other so they take into account the movement of their neighbors and don't produce collisions or lock-ups.
I love the room where the four panels are just slamming themselves into the walls
Im a year late but
I love panels. Portal/(2) is obviously meant to look very modular, excepting Old Aperture ofc, like most things in Aperture, they’re sentient, and they can build a chamber in minutes. I like Laser Relays/Adrenal Vapor/chamber 16 (I believe) because it shows that panels aren’t just part of the chambers: they *are* the chambers. Cave Johnson couldn’t have described them better.
Fully configurable. Infinitely variable. Aperture brand panels will help [(or hurt/block)] your subjects every step of the way.
I like to think that every single test element, at least smaller ones (not crushers, at least partially immobile, obv not the block stairs, not goo obv, and probably not vital apparatus cents [droppers {NOT the vacuum tubes, known as Pneumatic Diversity Vents}]), are all on panels. Including but not limited to:
Butttons (all 3 physics object buttons + pedestal)
Hard Light
Thermal Discouragement Beams
Funnels
Gel droppers maaayyyyybbbbeeeeee not really unless you want them to be delivered with bare diversity vents like cubes could also be
Fizzlers, both kinds plus BEE2 (harder since the projectors must be lined up)
Antline connectors
Checkboxes
And literally pretty much everything else!
I just checked and it's actually chamber 14! So there's that. Such a good game
"Thermal discouragement beams" my favorite name for a laser
They are adorable little things, the personality is so cute..
great video! I just wanna say portal 2 is the best game ever
True
I adore the "Panels" characters so much. They felt like the most "sciencey" part of the game while giving the "you're looking at background workers just doing their job despite the craziness" vibe.
Given the game's type of lore, they're either an AI hive mind of former Aperture workers, or a random unscene core which can control them when Glados isn't around
I never realized they had AI. I always thought it was either GLaDOS directly controlling them or they were glitching/broken.
My favourite one of Aperture’s investment gadgets. I feel like the animators don’t get enough credit for all the panel movements seen through the game. My favourite is during the core transfer segment. The panels in GLaDOS’s chamber are tied to her emotions, and when she gets replaced by Wheatley, they all go limp, reboot and recalibrate to respond to his emotions. Really puts into perspective how much control over the facility you’ve just bestowed to Wheatley.
I want them to be a reality! Instead of stairs, I'd just stand on one of these and get lifted to the 2nd floor of my home. I get sore muscles a lot because I have a heavy backpack to deal with. Please make my life easier!! ;-;
"That is not a panel, That's a crusher. We sell them too. Cave Johnson, We're done here."
I love how much effort was put into the details for each level in Portal. Everything feels quasi dynamic and interactive like in real life. These panels especially help.
0:38 On the topic of AI... Something like this really wouldn't be that far fetched. In a real world sense, something like this could be possible, by giving the panels a bunch of specific methods/protocols to follow in certain events, and share its state with other panels surrounding it to create the rooms. It could have protocols for how and when to use the camera, when to move to specific positions, when to move based on other panels, telling other panels to move etc. An completely independent panel system thinking for itself would be much more difficult, but building a mesh network of panels really isn't that impossible.
Seems like the most complicated part of making real versions would be the weight distribution
Why is no one talking about them cooperating?
I'm sure they need AI primarily to cooperate with each other so they take into account the movement of their neighbors and don't produce collisions or lock-ups.
I just realized; in the game, the walls literally have eyes!
I've always been fascinated by the inner workings of aperture, great to see a video like this.
'putting AI into these little guys is near impossible' kinda aged like milk. i'd really like to see one of these irl too tho!
Why should the small AI System be Impossible?
Two main reasons: the concept of a fully-autonomous artificial intelligence system with at least a basic personality style still has yet to be perfected, and packaging one into each panel's subconstruction and linking them all to eachother and a central network with today's technology and infrastructure setup simply isn't possible. AI is still quite a long way from being fully-functional, especially for something like this. Thanks for asking!
@@TetherAnimations9999 A very long but useful explanation. I like
@@TetherAnimations9999 i know the AI part is impossible, but fitting the technology is not, for example raspberry pi's (a single board computer) would very likely fit into the panel ( at least the pi ZERO W should.
@@TetherAnimations9999 The extent of their known AI is just little "fidgets". That's well within the scope of today's tech.
@@Crimson-h5u Its also entirely possible that the AI for the panels might not even be inside the panel itself but probably hooked up to them.
The panels always intrigued me but they were never really explored how I wanted them to be.
I've been wondering this since the game came out. I see no reason why it would be impossible. There might be practical problems though like how to get them all enough power and getting that much equipment onto a network.
I would have loved to seen this as some form of evolving test chamber, or maybe even something with the Repulsion and propulsion gel could be done?
Test*
I don't think the Source engine is capable of doing that, unfortunately
@@xc_gwpl I've seen some basic forms of it with source notepad creations. Source 2 could possibly be possible for this stuff to a more advanced level
The Best Strucutral part of Portal 2 is the Facility itself, (excluding the Heavy-AI Based Robots/Cores/Turrets)
it completely consists of panels that have personality
you could just say the entire facility is Alive in a way
i would love to have a game that is all about this concept
Isn't that just Portal 2?
@@chestertamayo1894 is Portal 2 ABOUT walls?
Hey man! I really like your videos! And I have a question, where did you find Portal 2 models for SFM?
Thanks, glad you enjoy them! I actually just mounted the game files in SFM as a separate game, there's another video here somewhere on the channel of me "fixing" the files but I can give more detailed instructions if you'd like
When they are like cameras they Move kinda like a duck 😂
duck panels
duck panels
Thank you youtube recomendation algorithm, i never realized i needed this until now
Interesting, but for this project to be pulled off you’ll need to start a kickstarter
hey can you do are portal guns possible.
Without the firing portal part,yes.
In the future yes now no splitting the nuclear atom was only the first step we have to squeeze a black hole into the gun and that could take a lot of time
game theory made a video on this already
@@thebadmedic89 I'd argue that's not even possible still, since the arms have a weak zero-point-energy grab on them.
No
Apart from the onboard AI constructs panels could be built, but unfortunately they currently don't have a viable use case.
Maybe someone could 3d print these as small poseable figures.
True the panels are able to be built as well as crushers. And good that you understand engineering techniques
Everything from portal 2 can be built other than the portal gun and gel
it might be hard but possible
Funtime Freddy the gel ain’t possible but portals are by using quantum energetic dark matter causing a mini wormhole causing 2 interdimentonal portals that can be reset by relay technology
....ok......
Actually the long fall boots can't be made ether
What? I didn't even know panels had AI, I always assumed they are automatic or GLaDOS moves them manually.
PORTAL ISN'T DEAD!!
You could say it is Still Alive...
@@MetaBloxer OH MY GOSH..
naonaonaonao
If we can put man on the moon in a tin can with legs we can make these.
Valve created the future of earth By making these panels, it really brings tears to the eye, Trust me im a time traveler.
wait panels have personality???
i will never play portal 2 the same ever again
Honestly the inverse kinematics programming to make these work wouldn't be that difficult. Main issue is how they *perfectly* align to the grid of the level, implying some boston dynamics-esque AI realtime reactions to real-world forces. Difficult...but doable. I think the main difficulty would be getting motors to act this quick and precise.
You forgot the - why wouldn’t anyone with enough money to build one of these not just make a wall, door or elevator instead of this and way cheaper.
Maybe with advanced neural networks and stuff the AI thing could be possible. Simulating feelings of course. But if you think about it, nothing we feel is real. It’s just how we perceive stuff and react to other things. And we’re driven by feelings like curiosity.
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We sell them too
They should be possible, the only problem is to make even like a 10 m by 10 m room you'll need a bunch of spare robot arms, electronics and artificial intelligence laying around
Tether: *sew how it builded*
Me: LET ME TRY
As a industrial robotics programmer, I know how to program movements and similar. You just save points on a controller (x, y, z, a, b, c) (a, b and c are rotation on axis x, y and z) and then call those points from a simple program. The controller makes all the complex control, so you only need to move the tool (in this case, the panel) and locate it right where you want it and save that point and move to a different point and save it and so on and when you call it, the arm will automatically move to that position. Not too hard, actually
"Impossible AI system" IDK if people keep duping money into openAI maybe the AI system isn't as impossible as it seems...
I never knew what they had an A.I. I just thought GLaDOS/Wheatley controlled them remotely.
Ok. So i have been trying things out, making lego technic replicas of them, and adding custom DC motors. From here, I must add a note that this is indeed possible. I tried coding movements but for now it can do limited movements.
I would love to see a video!
Thanks so much for making this video! I’m trying to make panels myself! 😅
I know Covid is destroying the planet as we speak, but could we change our focus towards making these real?
as someone who kinda works with robot automation atm i would have to say most likely no... they owuld require a controll cabinet that takes up space, the smallest ones as of today are around 1m x 1m. and the motors would not be strong enought to support the entire constructioon.... it would most likely be able to fit the needed parts if the hinge joint its attached to was removed since its the biggest weakpoint of the robot... so my suggestion is to replace the weird base joint with a counter balance spring of some sort
heres an image of a counter balance from an abb robot i.ebayimg.com/images/g/NdYAAOSwORdc3DIL/s-l1600.jpg
also sorry if i spelled something wrong, english is not my native language
Aperture science is the only company to have AI included in panels
Imagine in a futuristic world where these are just used as normal doors.
If you house is made out of these, what happens when they get a Virus O_O
I dropped my phone and thought the black lines between the panel were cracks. Yikes!
If we were to build these in real life today, they'd probably move in slow motion, like all of our other robots.
1:16 im a programmer i use scratch, Python
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Hi. I'm trying to do an animation in blender and i just need to know one thing: HOW DO YOU DO THOSE FLIPPING ASSEMBLY/DE-ASSEMBLY ANIMATIONS????? can you please walk me through the steps briefly? If you do help, thank you sooo much!
I mean, a good starting place for me to help is to say that I'm still using SFM to make my animations, blender updated and I haven't had time to learn it yet :(
Let's de-fund every country's military and then use it to make a real life aperture science
In reality they would be impracticable. In Portal 2, you can see that the panels are placed on massive cubes, so their only use would be in moving a few walls around.
You forgot that this is Aperture
i guessing that they use some form of hydrolics.
The real *heroes* of the *Portal* franchise.