Affordable Electric Mountain Bikes | EMBN Show Ep. 107
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- This week on the EMBN Show Chris is joined by Martyn in the studio to discuss E Bikes at affordable price points. Meanwhile, roving reporter Steve checks out some options from Rockrider that he spotted at Roc d'Azur festival 2019 ⚡️
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So you start by commenting on just how expensive e-bikes are and yet you call a £6500 YT Decoy good value, MA criticised the DIY E-Bike, laughing at old tech and yet towards the end of the video was calling it cool and good value, the whole video was contradictory and lacked clarity as to what is affordable and expensive.
I think that's a fair point Gavin. I think the affordable section was the section off-set if that makes sense?
Was going to say the very same thing!
affordable means what you can afford. We have 4 E-Bikes, starting from 1100€ to 4500€. The more expensive ones are Full-Suspension-Cross-Country-Enduro bikes. 140mm Travel Fox 34 Forks and Evol Shocks and Bosch Motor. And the "cheap" ones are from Fischer. Suntour Forks with preload adjust and that's it. The Fischer EM 1701 was my first E-bike and I still love it. You get a completely different ridefeeling because of the rear hub motor. 750 Watt Rear Hub Bafang Motor with 60nm, it says 500 Watt on the Website, but you can get a cable for your pc and the bafang software and make it a 750 W Motor. And I gues my next E-bike will be more expensive than that.
Thank goodness Martin is back and he actually has some spine to have a laugh in the bike vault. That’s part of the reason that I watch these shows for entertainment and I’m sorry if you get upset with someone having a little fun saying a bike isn’t good looking but please it’s just fun. So thank you Martin for bringing some humour back to EMBN.
Loving watching Martin's eyebrows when prices are mentioned! Guess, he knows, when you can buy a great hardtail for sub £500, 2 grand for an e-MTB is hard to describe as cheap/affordable!
For anyone looking to spend under £2k for an E mountain bike then i can personally recommend the Giant Fathom E+3.I purchased the 2019 model and to be fair it's a nice bit of kit,looks the part and uses a Yamaha motor,you could pick them up recently for under £1500.I made a video of me unboxing it and setting it up for anyone who is not really into bikes and wants to see it all explained from someone who isn't really into biking and who has never owned such a bike,feel free to check it out.
Hi. Any linked where you purchased the bike? Thanks.
I say don't scrimp to save money. Buy the best eMTB that you can afford! I have had mine for 2 years and done over 5000km on it which in the scheme of things is less than AUD$1 per km ridden.
It has added so much to my personal well being that at less than $1per km it was money and time well spent!
Thanks for the shout out to the Hunter Chargers, in the Hunter Valley, Newcastle, Australia. We have a great community of eMTB enthusiasts and the community continues to grow every day.
If bolt-on kits are "old tech", derailleurs are ancient.
I bought an EST 520 decathlon and it rides the mountains
any idea where i can get one in the usa
@@janvanderwalt2207 Decathlon is the biggest sports retailer in the world I believe there are about 12 stores in the uk .... I see there’s at least one store in the state named as MA which maybe Massachusetts
Thanks for reading my comment, that was a nice surprise, whoop whoop, and thanks for all the news and chatter and that Rockrider bike featured by Steve looks really fantastic--two grand for that bike makes a serious ride seriously affordable and its designer seems like a really nice, really knowledgeable guy. And personally, per my comment, this will be the year when I mod a mountain bike with a kit and get in the game as an ebike commuter. It won't be super nice or anything, but it'll be mine and it'll be my start. And, sure, I'll still dream of a getting a super nice Specialized and riding like a Northern California hippie looking for the perfect trail.
The reason I ride a kit bike is because even the most expensive eMTB's on the market don't meet my requirements. My 08' steel mullet hardtail with a TSDZ2, a kit EMTB might want to look at btw, get's me where I want to go in the meantime. While the Lithium Sulphur battery might become a game changer I am always curious as to why there is little to no mention of the rise of the 2170 cell batteries over the 18650. Up to 5A per cell is the reason that bikes like the Levo have been able to raise their wh ratings just by going with the newer cell structure. Yet Spec, as well as others, don't seem to be announcing the fact that there is a different cell on board. I made the transition to 2170 cells as fast as I could and riding an "affordable" eBike made that possible. I now have 12ah, 15ah and 18ah 2170 cell batteries to choose from that are all compatible with my 3 eBikes, two gravel models with a front hub motor and the aforementioned eMTB. The performance gain of the new cells is very visible and perhaps you guys might want to put a bit of focus on the difference they can make and the reasons they exist? All the companies that were mentioned by the RockRider guy make 2170 batteries btw and although they seem to be showing up on the more expensive models in reality they can be quite affordable. My total cost for all three batteries was under $1500 for 2160wh's worth. Always a joy to see Martyn on the show!
The rockrider ste-900 is a really decent bike at £1700, it rides nicely.
Little Wolf how is the sizing?
@@thisisabsolutelystup I'm 1.91 m tall and the Large version fits me perfectly, I don't need an XL.
£2500 to £3000 seems to be the start point for full-sus. Can we see some reviews of those please!
this channel is ran by snobs - you need to spend north of 5k or go home it seems..
Instablaster
I built my first ebike for 800$ a 1000watt geared hub drive but for technical mountain terrain you definitely need a full suspension mid drive!
Who would have thought that these bike snobs would have mentioned the Rockrider. I have the E 900.
It,s Brilliant.
The future is Fuel cells - coming soon mass market over the next decade. This will revolutionise electric vehicles. Electric bike tech will get much cheaper going forward, just give it time for more standardised components. Hub motors have been around for two decades, and have now actually come down in price over the last a few months with the Voliamart kits - less that £180 now, not including the battery. Nice to see Martyn - one of my heroes from Mountain Biking UK magazine! I even had the trials bike video on VHS.
Well, I can say something about the RR eST900, because I have it, and I will say, it's a really nice bike, rides smooth, with a really precise drivetrain and with a really powerful motor. Also with very sturdy wheels and quite decent tires, they ride well on road. And I changed quite a lot of components: Magura MT5 at front with Magura MDR-P 220mm rotor, Shimano GR500 pedals, Pirelli Scoprion S at rear, and I'm thinking about a 780 handlebar. What I can say? I can literally do enduro-stuff on that bike. Obviously not the same performance of a Full Suspended Enduro bike, but the RR really is worth the value, it can even cost 200 pounds more for what it has. The only problems of this bike are the brakes, the Tektro brakes aren't really powerful and the plastic pedals haven't all that grip. As I have it, with Magura brakes ecc., It does really is a eMTB, with really nice performance on trails.
wow nice how is it now?
Decathlon now has the Stylus full suspension all mountain ebike. Its on sale for 3200 Euros!
Whatever the affordable ebike brand was at £6500, and the lower spec version at £4500. The lower spec version in Australia is $8500!
For a bicycle with an electric motor?
2nd hand is the way to go.
Hey James, not sure where your going for your bikes in Oz? Last 2 years (2018 and 2019) you could have picked up a new Merida E190 600E for around $6k to $6500 with a bit of haggling. For the spec on it, nothing comes close at those prices... not sure what the attraction is on specialised as they are all more expensive at a lower spec level and even weirder given merida pretty much owns specialised...
One way of making an ebike more affordable is to get one through the cycle to work scheme if your employer does it. That way you can save around 40% and pay monthly interest free. You are actually allowed up to 2 bikes on the scheme and the max value is set by the employer.
Found this channel quite useful when I was first getting into the topic of ebikes and had no background in cycling.
Unfortunately the old school "car magazine" business model (ie bend over for the manufacturers who are actually paying your salaries and providing you with toys to play with) just doesn't cut it any more.
The purpose of a proper (ie 1000+W & 140+Nm) EMTB is high speed road work and massive fun off road. Chinese frames paired with Bafang mid-drives will deliver this for vastly lower prices. Just note batteries are still expensive no matter what, especially when they need to be a minimum of 52V to deliver the power you should be getting.
PS boys - do you ever ask the manufacturers where their frames, motors and components are made?
Hi Richard, appreciate the comments. On this show we discuss and introduce brands from all over irrespective of whether they are partners or not. Just want to pick up on a one of your points, a mid drive Bafang with battery and components bolted to a decent bike will probably be more not less expensive than those in this video.
friggin' love watching you guys!.....my go-to smile generator when I'm having a rough patch
Your preview to 'how to conquer any climb' reminded me of this little trick only avail on ebikes. You know on steep, technical climbs you sometimes get thrown off-line and you have to dab. And usually that dab forces you to stop and start over on a regular/acoustic bike. Well I've found on the ebike, I can dab with one foot, but keep my other foot pedaling so the motor keeps going, keeping my momentum up so I don't have to stop. I use clips/spd's so this might be easier than on flats, but I assume you get the gist of the technique. I love it! Go ebikes! Cheers!
1699€? that's the entry price for an Haibike with Yamaha motor with better looks and better gear... Rockrider ebikes are equally pricey as any other. They are affordable comparing with the top end bikes costing 5+k but I was expecting you were going to talk about som good bikes under 1000€ when you said affordable
They have an e-bike for 1000€, no one beat them interme of quality/price
Honestly nothing under £1k would be worth it tbh. Even though it's more expensive you would get more than the extra money's worth in terms of quality and components.
If you check out a local shop hopefully you can find an older e-mtb at a clearance price. I grabbed a 2017 Haibike cross 4.0 for $1900 CAD with taxes, and have been making small upgrades since.
@@Duncan23 so a 10k bike is the best deal ever?🤔
@@martial8574 Not at all, there are plenty of great bikes in the 1700-2500 range. The bikes under 1k tend to be hub drive and not the best quality.
Just bought my other half a Haibike Hard Seven 2020 for £1250 from Tredz.co.uk. Standard price is £1800! They have a sale on and then I used another discount code. By far the cheapest mid drive entry level E-bike available in the UK. Went out for the first time today with her and we both had a blast!
0:56 The battery falling off the bike does not inspire confidence.
Yeah but, with hub drive you can get Regen breaking. Not possible on mid drive.
Hey Horodders do yourselft a favor buy a BBS HD mid drive 30amp kit from em3ev and a 52v battery. I've been running two of these for 4 and 6 years...no issue I'm 250 lbs heavy weight geared 42 and 36 for single track. Winter fat bike got a 30t in front with both 10-36 cassette. Cheers!
Brutal rail on my ugly ebike Martyn! Props to you blokes and your network, I'm looking forward to seeing costs drop on ebikes. I'll keep riding my ugly beast with a positive stoke. I'll leave the beauty queen bikes to Marty!
I hope GCN could cover the other brands from Decathlon, Triban and Van Rysel.
The Bafang mid drive kit is great, but is fairly high maintenance. The controller (even the new upgraded ones) run too close to their limit. You'll need to change / add battery connection in most cases. It wears your drivetrain out quickly or you'll need to add the cost of upgraded kit. Waterproofing is on you, and be prepared to have issues.
I love my 750w Bafang mid drive kit, but I won't be getting another one, the money I saved is wasted in time and parts. I would recommend a hub drive for commuters and a proper emtb for trails.
Happy BBSHD owner here on a bikesdirect dual suspension Rockshox w/SRAM NX 11 speed components. $1100.00 shipped for the bike and $1200 for the motor, batteries and everything else to make it go. 2x300watt 3lb batteries. 20 miles on a battery but can get 40-60 miles if I flip to 0 level on straightaways and downhills. Out of 9 levels, I need up to level 5 for really long steep climbs but for 95% of the time it stays on level 1. Most of the maintenance I’ve done is put air in the tires and oil the chain before each ride. I’d recommend this setup if you want to do novice single tracks or want to effortlessly power up extreme hills while talking on your iPhone about what to eat for dinner. Not recommended if you like lots of air between you and the ground.
@@teemakarov9375 yeah my mate loves his bbshd, and does trails, but he machined shims and his own modified mounting as he wasn't to confident in the stock stuff. Bolt on kits for actual mtb riding will be problematic depending on your frame as they have tolerance issues and a more expensive bike can still have big issues as evidenced on hambini's channel.
Affordability for bikes,cars,houses no matter what the object will always vary depending on the individual and their passion
for the object in question. Nothing better than seeing someone throw money at something without a batting an eyelid if
it means that much to them. You want something that bad then drop a few things in life and make it happen.
RIDE ON !!!
I love my Rockrider e-st900 but I don't like the display. The remaining reach on the screen is not correct
if the motors get wet and muddy
why dont they put a cover over it
Decathlon rockrider e900 or the halfords voodoo bizango e-shimano E8000 I'm looking at both and can not make my mind up which one is the better buy
Guys at embn why not do an added feature called A & E meaning accident and electric, viewers can send in pics of the broken bits from crashes either damaged body parts in hospital or damaged ebikes? Just a though. I came off my levo last week and bruised my ass 😁😉
Lee Trusselle came off my cube nearly ripped my arm off broken ribs blood clot top of leg dislocated thumb in hospital nearly 2 weeks 2 ops and plastic surgery wish I had just bruised my arse have got pictures if you want to see them 😂
Government could go green and cancel the VAT.
Ridiculous that they have not
Nice byke. Easy to ride.
The rockrider e-st900 goes for 2100 € now, without lights and mudguards, bell etc ...
How affordable is a £6000 bike! I get you like the tech but I searched on affordable bikes. the rockriders look the part though
Great show guys, but I'm not a fan of the new Bike Vault format. I preferred the Nice/Super Nice judging format rather than just picking one winner.
Would love a test of Bafang BBS02 / BBSHD mid drive
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Decathlon do some good bikes but their certified total load is only 100kg which is very restrictive for an e-bike. If the bike is 20kg that is less than 80kg for the rider weight. Ride beyond that weight limit and you will accelerate fatigue and the frame could fail, fatigued metal failure is not covered by the frame warranty only manufacturing faults plus of course it could cause a major accident although in fairness e-bikes with mid-mount motors can be relatively short life products. Once the motor or battery is uneconomic to repair/replace the bike is scrap anyway. In contrast some brands go up to 160kg total load which is 60% more although for other European brands 120kg total load is more common which allows riders up to 100kg approx depending on fitted accessories and luggage etc but is a more practical limit.
www.decathlon.co.uk/ecuk/static/bikes/btwin-instructions.pdf
If the content creators are reading this please let me know if the eahora am100 would be good for my first emtb. It has full suspension and a 48v battery with 10.4 AH. Although, the motor is a hub drive motor. Check out the bike and let me know what you think before I spend $1524 on this bike. Thanks guys!
check out the new all suspended decathlon bike... 3000 pounds. crazy
the only hill i cant climb with my legal, rear hub drive, is due to traction
@@vincesnetterton5868 I was, and I deleted it because I was being an idiot. Sorry.
blair, also deleted
Watch out for crappy coil forks in cheaper bikes.
I'm buying a e voodoo bizango e shimono with the steps e7000 motor from halfords for £1800 with my discount seems a real good bike for the money and rides great any one had one of these
Halfords do some great stuff plus you have support on your doorstep which admittedly can be hit and miss depending on store. I believe Halfords have 25% of the UK bike market by revenue and about 40% by volume due to their lower prices but you wouldn't really know they exist on the GCN channels but they are often the best option for people in the UK.
Bloody "affordable", more like "unaffordable". What happened to £500 - £1000 price bracket 🙄
1000 is the price of a motor and 700 extra dollars for battery so 500-1000 is unrealistic for an serious e bike
poor
@@xrider30 nope
I gotta have mtn...but this looks 👍
I predict some manufacturers going under soon. No physical shops left, all online and too expensive.
I think there is some cashing on on the popularity at the moment. Last year's Kenevo Comp was £4250, but the 2020 is £4999. Yes it has new stuff on it, but is that worth £750 more? Levos seem to have inflated quite a bit too.
Showing the Decathlon bike is a step in the right direction. They also have a full suspension ebike with a Bosch motor for £2700 which is advertised as 'all mountain' . It would be nice to see that go up the Snowdon route Steve used for the cheap bike. To be honest, that is the sort of route I want an ebike for. More bike tests in the £2500 to £3500 category please. It should be possible to get something capable in that bracket.
Steve is looking really trim and fit in this video. New Years resolution and started to run on a treadmill maybe? 🤔
Nah, Camara trickery!
Hello,
Why do you have such a low opinion on HD e-bike's???.
where you talk about bolt on kits, go to lunacycle and look at the BFANG mid motor kits Those are not old tech
£6500 good value...???? Hahaha ..,Really
I paid an extra £1000 and got a Mercedes c class estate with 79k milage. Now that's great value 😊
Does the rockrider e900 have walk assist
Yes
Yeah I am with Martin affordable didn't exist
BAFANG A 2000s Dh bike 😎 game on
Its 90nm on rockrider
Something being affordable is relative but lets be honest £6500 isnt affordable to many people at all.
Home built ones are a great idea to try out emtb. I used to ride DH and BMX but had a Mondraker Foxy to try and keep my eye in when not on the others. I hate pedalling so the Foxy ended up sitting there and gradually gave up BMX and DH.
I tried the Tongshen tsdz2 mid drive. You guys have always skipped this motor. It is torque sensing so a great one for mtb. Stuck it on the Foxy and hey presto I was back into mtb. Used it for 6 months and was pretty brutal to it. Decided emtb was for me and just bought a Propain Ekano. Another bike you never mention. It is much more affordable high spec ebike. Customisable when ordering, wheel size and travel options and Fox everything for around 4k. Customer service has been excellent as well.
Great to see Martyn on the show. Top job as always gents.
Mark Collingwood that Martyn dude is worst guest they’ve had.
Martyn is a legend
Of course ebikes are not affordable!!! I started saving now, if I'm able to retire and my knees still work!
nigel woodhouse true, this guys speak of 6.5k as great value for money... :-/
@@Rondawwg 6 and a half k, I could get a decent second hand car!
nigel woodhouse exactly!!
Guys,.... what about the E ST 100!?!?
I'd like to know the answer to this! Looks great for the price?
Biggest difference is that the ST100 is a rear hub motor and not a Brose mid drive. Completely different technology. “Serious” mountain bikers wouldn’t consider it, but if it’s the only viable economic solution, it’s a bike and it’s got a motor .... it will do, but you might find yourself wanting to upgrade later on.....depends on what you want it for... for normal riding I think it will be perfectly fine. If you want to do jumps and stuff, the weight is more over the back wheel so may need getting used to
hey shark, your mistaken
pleade next time you vist decathlon designer tell them to desazen a good mtb
To buy a ready e mountain bike one of the latest ripoff. The don't even give the torch and power figures. I'm ordering a bafang HD kit after Chinese holiday 160nm of torch. 20amp/h triangular battery problably higher performance and a fraction of the cost of the ready ebike.
Only one affordable bike is presented and after that you jump in advertising for a 6000 Euro bike. This isso rediculous!
If you seriously care about our money you would mention for example the well made and affordable Cube reaction hybrid!
Affordable? not for most people im sorry.
hmm.. is Steve a Bike Snob ?
£6500=real value - what planet is that on?
You shouldn't give this video that title cause there was no useful info. Just 2 guys slandering about something that has nothing to do with affordable ebikes.👎
My first thumbs down ever brought out for your guest. Terrible delivery and absolutely ridiculous to glance at a bike and call it horrible looking. Not to mention his amazing battery presentation where it’s longer range, last longer and get u further (umm that all means the same thing....) I’m guessing you really made that guys day after he took time to write in to you guys. Lol Martyn must not be looking for followers 👏🏻
Kind of feels like one big advert..?
Suplhurs never going to get here its a fire hazard
PS4 Custom Gamer didn’t stop li-ion apparently.
Andrew Cox what do you mean apparently it was released by Sony in 1991 for smaller devices. There’s no way we will be seeing large complex batteries in ebike form before it hits big tech companies in small devices like Samsung, google, huawei or apple. More likely we will get LIHV cells and increasingly light existing versions of li-ion/lipo.
PS4 Custom Gamer you were talking about fire hazard that’s what I commented on. Other technologies are available and don’t disagree.
there are a few very good and powerful hub drive mtb's. much, much cheaper than this lot
Hi Vince. I guess there's a big difference between capability of hub vs mid drive in a pure off-road environment right? But which one's did you have in mind many people will be keel to hear. Nice one
naaa, do your own searches
This channel would be 100% better without Steve Jones! Seriously!
who can still see it he has lost his battery