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I would like to see Tommi do a upgrade/accessory series on his Jeep. No heated seats, but does the after market offer affordable heated seat covers that plug into the cigarette lighter/power port? Will a Rubicon's electronically disconnecting front sway bar fit and work on the Willy's Sport?
I like the barebones stripped down aspect of this Jeep, but I cannot get my mind wrapped around that it was 35k!! That’s insane to me for what you get.
He paid less than $32k for the Wrangler. The difference includes taxes and other buying costs, which would apply to any vehicle he bought in his state.
I actually prefer the manual windows and locks. Wranglers get wet and the less electronics the better. Those windows will crank forever. I love it Tommy, I think u made a good purchase.
@@floridaman7 yes, I replaced quite a few of those plastic gear straps on my ‘89. Fortunately, they were a cheap and easy fix. My ‘95 had a better setup and lasted for over 250,000 miles.
This dude got ripped off. Stop making excuses for poor value because even after 7 years of hard off roading my Tacoma does not have any moisture issues with "Electronics" lol!
Electric windows are just as reliable as manual, only difference is they see many more cycles than manual so may wear out do to use. No wiring in the door would be nice if you are frequently removing the doors. The manual mirrors are a deal breaker for me especially if you have multiple drivers
Is this guy exaggerating or are wranglers windows really unreliable? I’m thinking about a jeep for my next vehicle but sheesh if they can’t even get the windows right
Tommy, as you exit your Jeep, lock the door from the inside. When you get out push it shut. It will now be locked so you don'y need to lock it with the key. 1980's technology!
@@prime77089 Now that I'm reaching farther into my memory banks, my Miata didn't have that feature and I routinely locked myself out until I got one of those AAA wallet keys.
The funny thing is I'm sure some of that de-contenting actually costs them money. Manufacturer component costs for a complete power window assembly are $20-$30 per window. Considering a likely low take rate on the manual windows, development costs, extra manufacturing and logistics complexity, it hardly makes sense from a cost perspective. On some of the models I've worked on lately the smaller center stack screens are actually costing more money. On a 1:1 basis the cost difference for an extra inch or two of screen is literally pennies, but because the larger screens are now being purchased in larger quantities the end cost from suppliers is less. They just want that carrot on the stick to drive you to a higher trim.
But some of these lower end features (e.g. manual windows) must already excist in the part bin. They might be more widely used in other contries and other cars within the manufacturer? Or are these specifically developed only for the Wrangler?
I work for a large brown delivery company. They have always been adamant about not having any creature comforts on their vehicles. It would actually cost them more to have Tractor truck manufacturers put manual crank windows in the vehicles. I know this cause my brother in law is an engineer at one of the manufacturers. It hasn't been till very recently that they finally broke down and just let them install power windows for less.
@@30smsuperstrat I’ve working in the Tier 1 automotive suppliers manufacturing automation since I’ve been out of college 2005 and I can absolutely agree with your assessment, the tooling design and deployment for injection molding and assembly of crank windows or automatic actuation will be within 10% each fixturing changeover (no supplier has a dedicated line only assembling power windows and another for crank windows for Nissan Sentras), and once the lines are running the changeover labor hours costs are about the same. But tooling is expensive, injection molds for crank assemblies costs just as much as for power window buttons + stepper motor fabrication, changeovers are comparatively expensive with so few people buying crank windows an OEM could very easily be losing money offering cranks, or more likely the Tier 1 supplier misquoted, quoted a price per unit but did not quote a price per unit at different volumes which they should have.
I had a 2011 mitsubishi pajero gl in Australia. They didn't sell the gl to the public, only to fleets. It was the base, base. Steel wheels, white, cloth seats, manual trans. It has cruise, climate control , power folding mirrors. I guess these things were just carried over from the more common luxury models.
@@davidheckart639 I wore mine out, and replaced it with a Detroit TrueTrac which is significantly better, and should be the stock option instead of one with clutch packs. But then it makes the expensive electronic locker less of an improvement over a Torson-style LS. With the front also having one, the simplicity and capability of my setup is pretty sweet.
Nice review. There really is something liberating about basic functionality. Get over the initial novelty value of most modern gizmos and all you're left with is the extra cost, weight, information overload, and chance of things going wrong.
Hey Tommy, your Jeep IMHO is the perfect Jeep. It has everything you need and makes the perfect mountain goat. Super capable, light weight, less to go wrong, I love it. Now let's assign some TFL budget dollars towards some basic off road goodies for safety/recovery. Couple of good lights, steel bumpers,, winch, GMRS radio, high lift...and make some amazing videos with her.
This is what happens when a vehicle has no competition for decades. The price tag for this thing is insane: it has no features, no new tech, the basic design is ancient, the engine is now 11 years old, all the tooling is long paid for and they're mass produced. By all rights this should be a $20-22k truck, like it used to be.
@@manbeastx69 I think it was around 2015 when it became ridiculous. I remember looking at a 2015 Sahara unlimited and it was around $28k CAD MSRP, today that same trim is like $48k.
T F L is in the People’s Republic of Boulder but I don’t think the guys at T F L are a bunch of Liberal Boulderites. If they were they would not be doing this Chanel and what they do.
Dude, what was wrong with your JK? That thing was badass. Had the same engine. One of the most expensive winches on the market. Alls you needed was gearing and maybe a front Dana 44 with some lockers. I don't hate it, but you already had so many mods into your JK
I'd love to see 4wd comparison videos have an "are you over-paying" section, where a base model Wrangler attempts to tackle the same obstacles that all the upscale vehicles ran through. It'd be a great perspective to offer perspective buyers.
I've owned vehicles with no options, and vehicles with lots of options.... I'll take options any day. The novelty of cranking windows, and adjusting mirrors manually wears thin after a few years in my experience.
It’s hilarious to me that the times we now live in make Bluetooth audio/phone connectivity a standard feature over power locks and even A/C in this case lol. I remember not long at all ago that was a pretty luxury feature on even the most premium vehicles.
I had a guy at a dealership tell me the reason for that was it is now considered a safety feature mandated by the feds. Now whether or not he was right or wrong or just pulling my leg is up in the air.
As always, great insights! I had a 2004 TJ Rubicon, loved it of course especially the simplicity of it. I wish Jeep offered an off road goodies package(lockers, 4.10, sway disconnect, factory lift) with the more utilitarian seats, windows, etc. Call it the stuff you want, and the stuff you don't need package...
No idea how all of this added up to $35K. You should’ve walked out the door paying $23K for this Wrangler. Asinine how much they’re price gouging just because of the name.
IMO I think it's because there's simple a lot more volume of materials used in a car like this. The Wrangler is not small - Tommy's Crosstrek is $23K or so, and it's got the same # of seats, but Wranger's 20% heavier and all the suspension components are larger. I am not saying I disagree with you just that we are not purchasing a Fiat 500 here :D
Your video is the best tip I've gotten towards my ideal new rig. Seriously, the lack of electronics on the doors (no power windows) is a big positive for me. Agree all the way through your demo. Put a diesel in it and I would be done with any lust for another vehicle.
It will be a sad sad day when there are no more manual transmissions and an even sadder day when people are no longer allowed to own their own cars or drive them on public streets
You will then require an electric harness to be connected to the door. Once you do that then pressure will be on to add power windows, etc. So this car has zero power to doors, makes removing doors easier and of course cheaper
This jeep is awesome, it's the way jeeps should be! However, $35k is ridiculous. My 21 ranger is a base model, but even with a few options it came out to $33k msrp and $30k out the door after some rebates. 4x4, power equipment group, tow package, bed liner, and the STX appearance package.
Get the base model and build it out how you want. After market support for these vehicles is great. FYI you guys could do a BIG series on building out a base model vehicle to your spec!
I have the exact model in blue and love it. It does everything I want it to, without breaking the bank. It’s also very easy to upgrade a wrangler if I decide I want more bells and whistles.
The crazy thing is that manual Windows cost Jeep more than motorized ones. Pretty sure many other “downgraded” features also cost more than what most would expect to be standard. It’s just crazy how these companies care more about charging more for the the car (even for things that cost them less) instead of providing the customer the best product they can.
Couldn’t have said it better Tommy! My 2006 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon (TJ), has crank windows, A/C, a basic Stereo, manual trans, soft top (and a few more off road-able accouterments), but it’s the beauty in the simplicity that makes it shine.
Hey Tommy! Thanks for the videos as always. Just to provide some perspective...my 2003 TJ top-of-the-line (Tomb Raider ed) was about $32K when brand new. It's basically your Jeep with the Rubicon package. And, I know exactly how you feel when driving it. I have a newer Wrangler with all the bells and whistles, and I still enjoy driving my TJ on the trails a lot.
I had a 1991 Toyota MR2 with no power options. Manual windows, no power steering, no abs brakes. Loved that thing. It’s nice to have options in 2021 to be able to buy a vehicle back to the basics.
As an owner of a 2015 Sport JK I love the basics. Less electronic parts means fewer things can malfunction. I spent the extra money on adding what upgrades I wanted later.
Just hit 170 000 km on my 2015 manual 2 door Willys today. I bought it for $31 000 cad in 2015. I have zero complaints and couldn't be happier with it.
Don't miss any of the extras, but the price looks like it includes them and this is sad. I'd say that a fair price for this Jeep would be in the 28-30k $.
Wranglers are way overpriced because of demand. What you get for the money is crazy. Not saying they’re comparable other than for the features but - Same price as a base Willys you can get a Mazda CX-5 with led, self leveling dynamic headlights, 2.5L turbo engine, leather heated/cooler seats, heated rear seats, auto ac, heated steering wheel, adaptive cruise and lane keep assist.
I own that same version jeep! Mine I bought in 2015, I still own it! Mine is Baja yellow, 2 doors. But I do have power windows on mine, never had any issues with it so far, I’ve been very lucky! I keep the maintenance at the dealer. And the only upgrade I’ve done to it, is new tires, replace the brakes, oil changes, and replaced the hood latches with lockable ones. That’s it! And I love it! It’s a great vehicle. 👌😎👍
Great Jeep Tommy! I did the 3.6L with the manual too and I’m loving the way it performs over my previous JK’s 3.6L/6 speed. My only issue is the cost of new Jeeps. Your Jeep’s price was what my 2012 pretty much fully loaded Rubicon cost when I bought it new. Something just doesn’t feel right about that… when I got a Jeep as my first vehicle, it was a cheap (I think my first one was probably 15k TJ) yet still a quality vehicle.
Priced out a base 2 dr Bronco with auto, larger engine, aux accessory switches and roof rails. Note all Broncos come with LED. Priced 2 dr Wrangler Sport with auto, V6 and hard top. Wrangler was $2k more. Also wonder why Jeep is charging extra for all colors except white. Keep up the good vids.
You would figure that Jeep would drop their price to be competitive...more than likely,...Ford will raise their price next model year to match instead..pricing on vehicles will never go down. The manufacturers are making way too much $$$
Ford hasn’t opened 2022 order banks, and while Ford has CLAIMED they are going to honor MSRP for people who ordered prior to March 19 2021 and have a signed purchase agreement with their dealer, what they have NOT said is that they upped their finance rate. It is currently a whole 1% higher than Jeep financing….. Maybe that doesn’t sound like much, but it sure adds up over the term of the loan. …And that is today. When 2022 Bronco order banks open, you are still likely to wait another year before you see a Bronco. Ford only finally closed reservations yesterday, and admits they are sold out through the 22MY.
Great video and actually what I was looking for. A real world recount a regular guy who just wants a Wrangler to play with! As somebody looking to purchase one in the near future, I wanted to see if a basic package left any actual trail capabilities lacking. I think I will end up going with a more base package, potentially even the sport. One of the things that made Jeeps great historically was the fact they were so simple! Less to go wrong on them. LING LIVE THE MANUAL!!!
Tommy I love your Jeep. I have a 1979 CJ7 which is almost like your, except I don’t have hard doors, I got soft doors. No windows, no a/c and no cruse control. However I get more thumbs up from other Jeep’s and most other folks. I think you made a great decision and my hats off to you for buying what you could afford and not what you could finance 👍👍
Seat belts are mandated, which is fine, but so is stability control and the rear camera, which I find ridiculous. It’s safer, sure, but also very expensive.
I just got an 06 LJ. It’s incredibly basic, but I don’t miss anything except Bluetooth capability. That’s a radio upgrade away. This is my dream car so it’s never getting sold.
I love the basic version of the Jeep the same way I love my LP records and my automatic watches. My kid has the Sport S, But I think I am going to get the Willys base sport for myself. I really like the tactile feeling you get from doing all the driving manually.
Simplicity is the ultimate Sophistication. I Bought a Gladiator Willys with hand crank windows and a manual trans and yes red just like yours and I really like it.
I just got a 2021 Jeep Wrangler sport altitude and love it. Wish it had AT tires but I can fix that. I got the 4cyl turbo because I don’t like paying for gas and the turbo is faster. Also got the automatic trans because it’s not a sports car and I just want to cruise without having to shift in congested city traffic. I used to have a jk with the v6 and that thing was terrible compared to my new Jeep. No “regurts”
I'm 64 and six weeks ago I ordered this exact Jeep except I added the heavy duty electrical and towing package in the color Sting Gray. I ordered this for all the things it doesn't have.
Feels like jeep got away with having no competition for so long that they were robbing their customers. The bronco is showing what you can get for that base price.
@Glamisemt24 And this is why I am such a Bronco fan. No PT Cruiser parts and gauges in the cabin to trigger my PTSD. Let’s keep this competition going!
The one thing I've found that I really count on, that is the main reason why I don't like driving my wife's 2016 WK2, is Android Auto/Apple Car Play. We don't use SiriusXM and I rarely listen to broadcast radio, so having a responsive interface to access my music and maps makes a huge difference in daily life. Everything else is nice-to-have, but AA/Car Play would be a must-have on any vehicle I buy in the future.
Hopefully having some actual competition now, Jeep will reconsider not making power windows, door locks, and a/c standard because not having that be standard in a $35k vehicle is insane. That being said though, I love my Jeep Gladiator.
Some "Jeep People" are glad that things like power windows and door locks aren't standard equipment on two-door Wranglers. What might make them and people like you happy at the same time is if Jeep didn't charge customers for the parts it leaves out in base models, while including the "mod cons" when charging $35,000.00. ;)
Just got my very first Wrangler: a full-blown, all boxes checked Willys. I'm a kid behind the wheel of this thing. Do you need a Rubicon? I'd say for 90 % of the customers, you don't. This thing is so freaking capable. I took a risk ordering a 6MT without even test driving it. No regrets: that transmission is quite fun to drive. Thanks for the videos, Tommy: it convinced me to make the move.
Tommy... keep this one forever. Think of the fun you'll have passing this one on to your kids... especially if you build it up a little. It might be a great chick magnet too and a woman that likes this no frills Jeep, enjoys adventure, just might be a keeper. Great choice! P.S. - maybe your dad should rate this comment.
One thing I learned in my life is always get what you absolutely desire or you will regret it long-term. I bought a manual 2dr Rubi for 42k, with winter pkg, tow pkg, led pkg and the alpine 8.4inch infotainment. So 7k more to get exactly what I wanted. I know you will be happy with your purchase, I just can’t help but feel that saving for another year would have gotten you your dream machine.
LOVE your Jeep Tommy. The pricing for these is completely ridiculous…and to be honest, the larger screen and the power locks/doors should be standard. It seems really silly to me that that would be a big ‘extra’ cost. We know you don’t miss them…but c’mon, it IS the 21st century.
It’s cool but it’s got all the same accessories and technology as my 88 Jeep Yj, and my 06 Jeep LJ. For 35k I bought my new 2021 Tacoma with electric everything and Manuel trans and locking rear diff.
Yeah I’m not really understanding WHY he bought this vehicle new. I mean it’s for the channel obviously, but in a normal situation he could have bought a low mileage used with all the features he’s missing for the same price
Tommy, you get it! And I get it!! New owner of a Sport 2 dr and I'm wondering if it's the best vehicle I've had. I traded in a BMW convertible, have owned GTIs (3), and Audi TTS, Audi A3 Etron , and Evoque. So many options and inflated prices, and none with the essence of a Jeep. I feel smug, I'm using 87 octane again, winding up my own windows and dreamily planning backroad adventures. I feel like a kid again!
I finally got my '21 Willys Sport after 4 months and 10 days (April 22-Sep 2). I can't say anything bad about it. Mine is Hydro Blue and we've already taken it on a road trip from sw MO to nw FL. Sure, there's some road noise, but my wife and I were able to carry on a conversation without having to raise our voices. The usb port in the center console is a fast charger compared to the one on the dash near the shifter. It did take some time getting used to the shifter with the pull up reverse. You have to keep your fingers away from the pull up ring when shifting into 1st, otherwise it goes into reverse way too easily. I had a 98 TJ Sport, with a soft top and half doors for 17 years. This was way quieter and the roll up windows definitely made a difference in that road noise. Thanks for your take on the Willys Sport. I enjoy your videos and comments.
There actually is an electrical connection on the doors for interior lights. Pull the little kick panel towards you ad you'll see it, but don't unplug it as many folks mess it up reconnecting it.
Good job Tommy! I love the manual everything approach of your Jeep. Better for off-road and less to break.My first new car was a 1982 Audi 4e, manual everything, windows, shift, even a manual crank for the sunroof. Sold it in 86 to a young woman, her daughter drives it today. Cars with less electronics last longer..
You just cant beat the basic Wrangler Willys. No fancy electric gadgets. I ordered the AC and Alpine speakers with bith soft and hard tops. 3.73 gears and 6 spd manual. I pull a small utility trailer with it most of the time. Its a 2015 2door and I love this Jeep!
Great video! I purchased a 2021 Willy’s 4 door. It came with auto start, power locks, power windows and mirrors, auto headlights (LED), back up camera. I went with black cloth, 3 piece hardtop, 2.0 turbo which in my opinion is a better engine. $44,840 minus employee discount it was $41,306. This is my second Wrangler (1993 with square headlights) and it was about $24k. I have owned Mercedes SL 550, BMW 760 li, and an Escalade to name few but my new Jeep is my favorite so far! It fits all the boxes for me; 4 wheel drive, 4 door, good cargo space, good gas mileage (21 city and hwy), convertible and in my opinion inexpensive to buy and operate. My only mods so far are the exhaust and locking gas cap. I will soon be adding a 2.5” lift with 35’s on a 20” wheel, bumpers, and auto running boards.
I really like this jeep. It's such a great balance of capability and affordability. I would love to see you take it to some of the more difficult trails and show what it can do in comparison to vehicles that cost close to twice as much.
the willys package really captures the old school jeep look..i like it a lot...can you swap out rubicon parts as time goes by since you wanted affordable jeep at first...saving up money to buy the offroad upgrades later
I recently priced out this Willy's configuration. Love that it offers all the manual bits. I currently have a 92 Toyota truck w/manual door locks, mirrors, windows and trans. 30yrs this month to the build date. The only piece in the bunch not being original is the pass mirror (and clutch). Broke the mirror on a tree. Replacement was
Ya know I have a '17 Ram 1500 Laramie with every bell and whistle, from a sun roof to cold seat. I really enjoy the truck. Having said that it still doesn't put a smile on my face like my '89 YJ with no options except for PS and PB. No A/C, no windows, a radio with 2 small speakers in the dash that you can't hear when your moving and a 2.5L with a top speed of 65 going down hill. But it is still what I daily drive from May till October weather permitting. I totally understand what you are saying Tommy. It's a Jeep thing.
This Wrangler checks all my boxes. I don't mind all the manual items - key-in-the lock entry, rolldown windows, basic removable roof, manual adjust mirrors... For once I'd like to buy a just a regular car with these basic options. It would seem to me that they might even do well. Thanks for this review.
I’m extremely happy with my 16’ Oscar Mike edition, 2 door manual transmission.. it has everything I need, power door locks and windows, also hard too and you are right, it puts a smile on my face! Wranglers are basically the perfect vehicle.
Still puzzles me how an entry level Wrangler with so little interior features as this one, is able to be more expensive, than some new pick-ups. And in it loaded trim level, too close to the price of a Toyota Land Cruiser Prado.
@@RogerM88 The 4Runner (entry-level) would need to be raised (including taller tires AND lower gearing because of the taller tires) to compensate for the longer wheelbase and longer rear overhang, to possibly compete with this 2-door Wrangler.
I have a 2014 Wrangler sport with 100,000 miles. I have a wood lot that I drag a trailer through. Before retirement I used it to commute 100 miles through paved mountainous terrain. Except for one recall I have only done regular maintenance (plus a dealer maintenance as recommended). You might notice that the other car manufacturers are reluctant to preform side by sides with this model. Great review, by the way.
Adjusted for inflation, a brand new 1978 CJ7 cost ~$26k out the door in today's money. Considering how much more you're getting in even the base Wrangler Sport now compared to then, I think the starting price around $30k is very reasonable. Two years ago I picked up a holdover 2018 JL Sport Unlimited with LSD and tow package (before the Willys trim) - it sat on the lot over a year because no one wanted roll-down windows. I found a set of free Rubicon shocks and springs on CL (they're everywhere), added a winch and some 33s on steel wheels, and have the most capable vehicle I've ever owned, and still reasonably comfortable, for under $35k all-in. Could not be happier, and I don't feel like I'm missing anything.
I have a very similar setup with the Cherokee Trailhawk with the rear locker in back and the BLD in front and it will go absolutely anywhere...so it's very comparable to the Willies although you've got bigger tires than I do. I did the 2-in lift and added basically 31 inch tires and some rock rails and I almost want for nothing... I would highly recommend the 2-in lift on the Trailhawk and then it is a very very capable vehicle. It's also very cheap to do you can get a Rough Country lift for $150.
All my vehicles are manual door I love it. I don't even lock my crew cab it takes to long. I just wish you could get a base model with the Rubicon off road features
Today that would cost just as much as a normal rubicon, electric windows, mirrors, central locking etc, don’t cost anything to the manufacturer anymore, the manual options only exist so they can make money off the electric stuff as an option.
I like it. Fewer expensive parts to break subsequently costing two paychecks to repair. IMO, this is the way to go with a Wrangler. Plus, you can always get an after-market locker installed in the back, if you decide you need one.
No stranger to 2foot-itus but when we bought our 2015 we wanted an all manual, no bells no whistles, no air, no nothing. Just a stock 2 dr. soft top. Pd 23cad+taxes. With a storage platform for our gear, two of us comfortably sleep inside having finally managed to get the pass seat to fold flat.. perfect!
My 2018 sr5 4runner has all the basics similar to this. It does have power windows but no push start, no auto tailgate, no fancy updated infotainment with the bigger screen. I think mine in the older 5th gens are 8 inch screen and no Apple car play or anything like that but it’s so simple and it just works. Also the knobs with no climate control is perfectly fine. 3 knobs for fan speed, blue to red temperature knob, and the middle knob for where you want the air to come out. Big huge knobs and big volume knobs. All big buttons and I actually prefer this older infotainment and interior compared to the newer 4runners. Yeah Apple car play would be handy but I just love the old school look of this inferior and infotainment of the 5th gen 4runners up until 2019. No heated or cooled seats, the digital screen in the gauge cluster looks like something from nintendo growing up but I love it! Halogen lights and daytime running lights is basically nonexistent, the fog lights are halogen as well. The low beams can be dim at times but it all just works. I love the old school vibe of this vehicle.
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Plenty of two-wheeled vehicles for sale in the U.S. that don't have air-conditioning as standard. :-)
I was looking at a 2 door willys sport with AC being the only option until my wife decided SHE wanted the jeep then it became more expensive lol
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I would like to see Tommi do a upgrade/accessory series on his Jeep. No heated seats, but does the after market offer affordable heated seat covers that plug into the cigarette lighter/power port? Will a Rubicon's electronically disconnecting front sway bar fit and work on the Willy's Sport?
I like the barebones stripped down aspect of this Jeep, but I cannot get my mind wrapped around that it was 35k!! That’s insane to me for what you get.
Same. Maybe 30k would be understandable, but then again the Wrangler is a cash cow for FCA
Exactly my nissan frontier brand new mid range model was 30k and will last longer than this jeep!!
He paid less than $32k for the Wrangler. The difference includes taxes and other buying costs, which would apply to any vehicle he bought in his state.
@@jamesaandf nearly 10% sales tax in boulder
It blow's my mind that its $35k and doesn't come with power locks or remote start.
I actually prefer the manual windows and locks. Wranglers get wet and the less electronics the better. Those windows will crank forever. I love it Tommy, I think u made a good purchase.
My dodge minivan would have a plastic piece break and the electric window would fall in the door once a year
@@floridaman7 yes, I replaced quite a few of those plastic gear straps on my ‘89. Fortunately, they were a cheap and easy fix. My ‘95 had a better setup and lasted for over 250,000 miles.
This dude got ripped off. Stop making excuses for poor value because even after 7 years of hard off roading my Tacoma does not have any moisture issues with "Electronics" lol!
Electric windows are just as reliable as manual, only difference is they see many more cycles than manual so may wear out do to use. No wiring in the door would be nice if you are frequently removing the doors. The manual mirrors are a deal breaker for me especially if you have multiple drivers
Is this guy exaggerating or are wranglers windows really unreliable? I’m thinking about a jeep for my next vehicle but sheesh if they can’t even get the windows right
Tommy, as you exit your Jeep, lock the door from the inside. When you get out push it shut. It will now be locked so you don'y need to lock it with the key. 1980's technology!
Do you have to lift the door handle as you shut it? I always loved that safety feature on my 85 Corolla.
That’s why so many people had to call a locksmith in the 80’s…
@@prime77089 Now that I'm reaching farther into my memory banks, my Miata didn't have that feature and I routinely locked myself out until I got one of those AAA wallet keys.
@@prime77089 Not me. Locked the key inside car so many times that knew exactly how to get in.
Who knew…?
The funny thing is I'm sure some of that de-contenting actually costs them money. Manufacturer component costs for a complete power window assembly are $20-$30 per window. Considering a likely low take rate on the manual windows, development costs, extra manufacturing and logistics complexity, it hardly makes sense from a cost perspective. On some of the models I've worked on lately the smaller center stack screens are actually costing more money. On a 1:1 basis the cost difference for an extra inch or two of screen is literally pennies, but because the larger screens are now being purchased in larger quantities the end cost from suppliers is less. They just want that carrot on the stick to drive you to a higher trim.
Especially that $4,000 adaptive cruise control, which is actually useful, but only comes at the expense of many added other tech farkles.
But some of these lower end features (e.g. manual windows) must already excist in the part bin. They might be more widely used in other contries and other cars within the manufacturer? Or are these specifically developed only for the Wrangler?
I work for a large brown delivery company. They have always been adamant about not having any creature comforts on their vehicles. It would actually cost them more to have Tractor truck manufacturers put manual crank windows in the vehicles. I know this cause my brother in law is an engineer at one of the manufacturers. It hasn't been till very recently that they finally broke down and just let them install power windows for less.
@@30smsuperstrat I’ve working in the Tier 1 automotive suppliers manufacturing automation since I’ve been out of college 2005 and I can absolutely agree with your assessment, the tooling design and deployment for injection molding and assembly of crank windows or automatic actuation will be within 10% each fixturing changeover (no supplier has a dedicated line only assembling power windows and another for crank windows for Nissan Sentras), and once the lines are running the changeover labor hours costs are about the same.
But tooling is expensive, injection molds for crank assemblies costs just as much as for power window buttons + stepper motor fabrication, changeovers are comparatively expensive with so few people buying crank windows an OEM could very easily be losing money offering cranks, or more likely the Tier 1 supplier misquoted, quoted a price per unit but did not quote a price per unit at different volumes which they should have.
I had a 2011 mitsubishi pajero gl in Australia. They didn't sell the gl to the public, only to fleets. It was the base, base. Steel wheels, white, cloth seats, manual trans. It has cruise, climate control , power folding mirrors. I guess these things were just carried over from the more common luxury models.
The brake lock differential is so underrated and overlooked in the Wrangler, thanks for showing what it can do...
And mechanical clutch type Limited Slip in the rear.
@@davidheckart639 I wore mine out, and replaced it with a Detroit TrueTrac which is significantly better, and should be the stock option instead of one with clutch packs. But then it makes the expensive electronic locker less of an improvement over a Torson-style LS. With the front also having one, the simplicity and capability of my setup is pretty sweet.
@@brentworls8509 thanks for sharing about the TrueTrac!
@@brentworls8509 is that a type of lunchbox locker? Do you notice any noise from it during normal driving?
@@dakotamorgan6594 its a geared limited slip. Not a locker. You can look them up to see how they work.
Nice review. There really is something liberating about basic functionality. Get over the initial novelty value of most modern gizmos and all you're left with is the extra cost, weight, information overload, and chance of things going wrong.
I'd be happy to avoid the complexity of most of the "driver assistance" systems for a vehicle like this.
AMEN
Tommy, the best non(option) you got with your JL was definitely the 3 pedals, thanks for keeping that culture alive. #savethemanuals
The manual Ive found just OK. The latest firmware update helps but its a bandaid on a ok system.
Yes. Just bought a 2022 wrangler sport manual. I love simple basic wranglers.
Hey Tommy, your Jeep IMHO is the perfect Jeep. It has everything you need and makes the perfect mountain goat. Super capable, light weight, less to go wrong, I love it. Now let's assign some TFL budget dollars towards some basic off road goodies for safety/recovery. Couple of good lights, steel bumpers,, winch, GMRS radio, high lift...and make some amazing videos with her.
This is what happens when a vehicle has no competition for decades.
The price tag for this thing is insane: it has no features, no new tech, the basic design is ancient, the engine is now 11 years old, all the tooling is long paid for and they're mass produced. By all rights this should be a $20-22k truck, like it used to be.
And gas should be 2 bucks a gallon as well..🤣
@@RAM-KINGOFTRUCKS lol I'm paying $7 currently, so it costs $230 USD to fill up my F150
Agree,Wranglers have been overpriced way to long
@@manbeastx69 I think it was around 2015 when it became ridiculous.
I remember looking at a 2015 Sahara unlimited and it was around $28k CAD MSRP, today that same trim is like $48k.
@@VladoooThe Where do u live for $7 a gallon? Alaska?
I love how the TFL crew consistently brings up the dangers of the "big city" as if they ain't in the Denver metro area lol
T F L is in the People’s Republic of Boulder but I don’t think the guys at T F L are a bunch of Liberal Boulderites. If they were they would not be doing this Chanel and what they do.
@@daveberkovits4976 lol think again
Dude, what was wrong with your JK? That thing was badass. Had the same engine. One of the most expensive winches on the market. Alls you needed was gearing and maybe a front Dana 44 with some lockers. I don't hate it, but you already had so many mods into your JK
I'm glad this video had nothing to do with political views and yet here they are in the comments.
@@daveberkovits4976 Boulder would qualify as the "Denver Metro area.".
Tommy, your Jeep is awesome man. You're 100% correct, so many added features we simply do not use anyway. You made a great decision with the Willys.
I'd love to see 4wd comparison videos have an "are you over-paying" section, where a base model Wrangler attempts to tackle the same obstacles that all the upscale vehicles ran through. It'd be a great perspective to offer perspective buyers.
I've owned vehicles with no options, and vehicles with lots of options.... I'll take options any day. The novelty of cranking windows, and adjusting mirrors manually wears thin after a few years in my experience.
It’s hilarious to me that the times we now live in make Bluetooth audio/phone connectivity a standard feature over power locks and even A/C in this case lol. I remember not long at all ago that was a pretty luxury feature on even the most premium vehicles.
I had a guy at a dealership tell me the reason for that was it is now considered a safety feature mandated by the feds. Now whether or not he was right or wrong or just pulling my leg is up in the air.
Hands-free phone connection and backup camera are required by law in many places
As always, great insights! I had a 2004 TJ Rubicon, loved it of course especially the simplicity of it. I wish Jeep offered an off road goodies package(lockers, 4.10, sway disconnect, factory lift) with the more utilitarian seats, windows, etc. Call it the stuff you want, and the stuff you don't need package...
That would justify the 35k for me.
No idea how all of this added up to $35K. You should’ve walked out the door paying $23K for this Wrangler. Asinine how much they’re price gouging just because of the name.
IMO I think it's because there's simple a lot more volume of materials used in a car like this. The Wrangler is not small - Tommy's Crosstrek is $23K or so, and it's got the same # of seats, but Wranger's 20% heavier and all the suspension components are larger. I am not saying I disagree with you just that we are not purchasing a Fiat 500 here :D
Tommy, I believe your Willys has all the options I would need or utilize for any adventure so great setup man!
Your video is the best tip I've gotten towards my ideal new rig. Seriously, the lack of electronics on the doors (no power windows) is a big positive for me. Agree all the way through your demo. Put a diesel in it and I would be done with any lust for another vehicle.
It will be a sad sad day when there are no more manual transmissions and an even sadder day when people are no longer allowed to own their own cars or drive them on public streets
Just keep voting democrat then, it will come sooner than you think.
You’ll give up your rights like you will give up all your others
"You will own nothing and be happy - or else!"
I would at least expect power locks for $35k
And automatic lights
You will then require an electric harness to be connected to the door. Once you do that then pressure will be on to add power windows, etc. So this car has zero power to doors, makes removing doors easier and of course cheaper
NOOO. KEEP IT SIMPLE! Don’t be lazy!
This jeep is awesome, it's the way jeeps should be! However, $35k is ridiculous. My 21 ranger is a base model, but even with a few options it came out to $33k msrp and $30k out the door after some rebates. 4x4, power equipment group, tow package, bed liner, and the STX appearance package.
Same here! It’s crazy to think I spent about to same on my 4Runner as he spent on this jeep
Get the base model and build it out how you want. After market support for these vehicles is great. FYI you guys could do a BIG series on building out a base model vehicle to your spec!
I have the exact model in blue and love it. It does everything I want it to, without breaking the bank. It’s also very easy to upgrade a wrangler if I decide I want more bells and whistles.
The Willys trim is the trim I would chose. It has everything I need and it’s a Jeep. Nothing fancy for me. ❤️😊👍
the only fancy part is the 35K price tag, with nothing to show for it.
The crazy thing is that manual Windows cost Jeep more than motorized ones. Pretty sure many other “downgraded” features also cost more than what most would expect to be standard. It’s just crazy how these companies care more about charging more for the the car (even for things that cost them less) instead of providing the customer the best product they can.
Hooray capitalism
Jeep buyers are pay pigs
Couldn’t have said it better Tommy! My 2006 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon (TJ), has crank windows, A/C, a basic Stereo, manual trans, soft top (and a few more off road-able accouterments), but it’s the beauty in the simplicity that makes it shine.
Hey Tommy! Thanks for the videos as always. Just to provide some perspective...my 2003 TJ top-of-the-line (Tomb Raider ed) was about $32K when brand new. It's basically your Jeep with the Rubicon package. And, I know exactly how you feel when driving it. I have a newer Wrangler with all the bells and whistles, and I still enjoy driving my TJ on the trails a lot.
I had a 1991 Toyota MR2 with no power options. Manual windows, no power steering, no abs brakes. Loved that thing. It’s nice to have options in 2021 to be able to buy a vehicle back to the basics.
I like it. The lack of frills is a refreshing change.
As an owner of a 2015 Sport JK I love the basics. Less electronic parts means fewer things can malfunction. I spent the extra money on adding what upgrades I wanted later.
I like the bare bones concept. I'm looking forward to seeing the mods you have in mind. Keep the great videos coming.
at 3k the mods should all be on
Just hit 170 000 km on my 2015 manual 2 door Willys today. I bought it for $31 000 cad in 2015. I have zero complaints and couldn't be happier with it.
Don't miss any of the extras, but the price looks like it includes them and this is sad. I'd say that a fair price for this Jeep would be in the 28-30k $.
I was thinking more like $25k but as another person wrote, it probably actually costs them more to make a bare bones Jeep than the higher trim models.
@@davidbiagini9048 I thought if a Subaru Crosstrek is 25k this would be more like 28k, but you are right 25k is the right price for it :)
Wranglers are way overpriced because of demand. What you get for the money is crazy.
Not saying they’re comparable other than for the features but - Same price as a base Willys you can get a Mazda CX-5 with led, self leveling dynamic headlights, 2.5L turbo engine, leather heated/cooler seats, heated rear seats, auto ac, heated steering wheel, adaptive cruise and lane keep assist.
This trim should be 20-25k. In no way should this thing cost the same amount as a Sasquatch'd, 2-door Bronco lol.
I own that same version jeep! Mine I bought in 2015, I still own it! Mine is Baja yellow, 2 doors. But I do have power windows on mine, never had any issues with it so far, I’ve been very lucky! I keep the maintenance at the dealer. And the only upgrade I’ve done to it, is new tires, replace the brakes, oil changes, and replaced the hood latches with lockable ones. That’s it! And I love it! It’s a great vehicle. 👌😎👍
Great Jeep Tommy! I did the 3.6L with the manual too and I’m loving the way it performs over my previous JK’s 3.6L/6 speed. My only issue is the cost of new Jeeps. Your Jeep’s price was what my 2012 pretty much fully loaded Rubicon cost when I bought it new. Something just doesn’t feel right about that… when I got a Jeep as my first vehicle, it was a cheap (I think my first one was probably 15k TJ) yet still a quality vehicle.
93.7 KBCO "World Class Rock" Denver/Boulder...Rocking in the Willys Jeep Wrangler...
Priced out a base 2 dr Bronco with auto, larger engine, aux accessory switches and roof rails. Note all Broncos come with LED. Priced 2 dr Wrangler Sport with auto, V6 and hard top. Wrangler was $2k more. Also wonder why Jeep is charging extra for all colors except white. Keep up the good vids.
You would figure that Jeep would drop their price to be competitive...more than likely,...Ford will raise their price next model year to match instead..pricing on vehicles will never go down. The manufacturers are making way too much $$$
Ford hasn’t opened 2022 order banks, and while Ford has CLAIMED they are going to honor MSRP for people who ordered prior to March 19 2021 and have a signed purchase agreement with their dealer, what they have NOT said is that they upped their finance rate. It is currently a whole 1% higher than Jeep financing….. Maybe that doesn’t sound like much, but it sure adds up over the term of the loan. …And that is today. When 2022 Bronco order banks open, you are still likely to wait another year before you see a Bronco. Ford only finally closed reservations yesterday, and admits they are sold out through the 22MY.
With that hardtop you aren't going to get it until late 2022/2023
@@jamesa5398 Probably why Jeep is keeping the prices high? Would be nice if there was a third manufacture selling this type of vehicle.
Great video and actually what I was looking for. A real world recount a regular guy who just wants a Wrangler to play with! As somebody looking to purchase one in the near future, I wanted to see if a basic package left any actual trail capabilities lacking. I think I will end up going with a more base package, potentially even the sport. One of the things that made Jeeps great historically was the fact they were so simple! Less to go wrong on them.
LING LIVE THE MANUAL!!!
I love your jeep and that's exactly how I would've bought it. Love that manual transmission.
I have an 07 Rubicon and the key works the same way. I'm ok with manual everything. It makes the doors lighter.
It's insane what jeep charges for so little.
The prices just don't reflect the build or capability, you're paying for name alone.
Tommy I love your Jeep. I have a 1979 CJ7 which is almost like your, except I don’t have hard doors, I got soft doors. No windows, no a/c and no cruse control. However I get more thumbs up from other Jeep’s and most other folks. I think you made a great decision and my hats off to you for buying what you could afford and not what you could finance 👍👍
Thank goodness Jeep kindly included seat belts as standard and not made it an option.
Seat belts are mandated, which is fine, but so is stability control and the rear camera, which I find ridiculous. It’s safer, sure, but also very expensive.
I just got an 06 LJ. It’s incredibly basic, but I don’t miss anything except Bluetooth capability. That’s a radio upgrade away. This is my dream car so it’s never getting sold.
I love the basic version of the Jeep the same way I love my LP records and my automatic watches. My kid has the Sport S, But I think I am going to get the Willys base sport for myself. I really like the tactile feeling you get from doing all the driving manually.
Simplicity is the ultimate Sophistication. I Bought a Gladiator Willys with hand crank windows and a manual trans and yes red just like yours and I really like it.
Awesome review Tommy. I like your style and narration. You bought an awesome Jeep for all the right reasons.
Man I wish there was a rubber floor option. And a simpler radio if there's two speakers and an audio in port its perfect in my book.
Man I'd be ripping that key brick apart and mounting the part I need it into something else much more manageable right quick.
I think it has an RF ID tag in it for the keyless ignition so you need more than the metal part.
Exactly why I bought a Willys Sport - NO A/C, no power anything, Soft top. Love it! Tops down, doors off almost the whole time I’ve had it (3mos). 🤙
If you disconnected the sway bay .... that thing would be even more of a beast! I like it 👍
they have some mechanical quick disconnects with lift adjustments too
I just got a 2021 Jeep Wrangler sport altitude and love it. Wish it had AT tires but I can fix that. I got the 4cyl turbo because I don’t like paying for gas and the turbo is faster. Also got the automatic trans because it’s not a sports car and I just want to cruise without having to shift in congested city traffic. I used to have a jk with the v6 and that thing was terrible compared to my new Jeep. No “regurts”
I like it, less "features"/less electronic equate to less time spent in the repair shop not to mention less repair cost.
I'd expect the labor charges for troubleshooting electronic glitches in newer cars, once out-of-warranty, will be a painful experience.
I'm 64 and six weeks ago I ordered this exact Jeep except I added the heavy duty electrical and towing package in the color Sting Gray. I ordered this for all the things it doesn't have.
Feels like jeep got away with having no competition for so long that they were robbing their customers. The bronco is showing what you can get for that base price.
@Glamisemt24 And this is why I am such a Bronco fan. No PT Cruiser parts and gauges in the cabin to trigger my PTSD. Let’s keep this competition going!
@@Drewhasit I'm in the same boat. However I am over the wait period but it is a much better deal overall
The one thing I've found that I really count on, that is the main reason why I don't like driving my wife's 2016 WK2, is Android Auto/Apple Car Play. We don't use SiriusXM and I rarely listen to broadcast radio, so having a responsive interface to access my music and maps makes a huge difference in daily life. Everything else is nice-to-have, but AA/Car Play would be a must-have on any vehicle I buy in the future.
Knowing Jeep next year we’ll get a “Pentastar 10th Anniversary edition” Wrangler lol
Ive always bought trucks in W/T trim so this is up my alley.
Hopefully having some actual competition now, Jeep will reconsider not making power windows, door locks, and a/c standard because not having that be standard in a $35k vehicle is insane. That being said though, I love my Jeep Gladiator.
Some "Jeep People" are glad that things like power windows and door locks aren't standard equipment on two-door Wranglers. What might make them and people like you happy at the same time is if Jeep didn't charge customers for the parts it leaves out in base models, while including the "mod cons" when charging $35,000.00. ;)
Just got my very first Wrangler: a full-blown, all boxes checked Willys. I'm a kid behind the wheel of this thing. Do you need a Rubicon? I'd say for 90 % of the customers, you don't. This thing is so freaking capable.
I took a risk ordering a 6MT without even test driving it. No regrets: that transmission is quite fun to drive.
Thanks for the videos, Tommy: it convinced me to make the move.
Tommy... keep this one forever. Think of the fun you'll have passing this one on to your kids... especially if you build it up a little. It might be a great chick magnet too and a woman that likes this no frills Jeep, enjoys adventure, just might be a keeper.
Great choice! P.S. - maybe your dad should rate this comment.
One thing I learned in my life is always get what you absolutely desire or you will regret it long-term. I bought a manual 2dr Rubi for 42k, with winter pkg, tow pkg, led pkg and the alpine 8.4inch infotainment. So 7k more to get exactly what I wanted. I know you will be happy with your purchase, I just can’t help but feel that saving for another year would have gotten you your dream machine.
LOVE your Jeep Tommy. The pricing for these is completely ridiculous…and to be honest, the larger screen and the power locks/doors should be standard. It seems really silly to me that that would be a big ‘extra’ cost. We know you don’t miss them…but c’mon, it IS the 21st century.
It’s cool but it’s got all the same accessories and technology as my 88 Jeep Yj, and my 06 Jeep LJ. For 35k I bought my new 2021 Tacoma with electric everything and Manuel trans and locking rear diff.
It's bs for 35k!
Yeah I’m not really understanding WHY he bought this vehicle new. I mean it’s for the channel obviously, but in a normal situation he could have bought a low mileage used with all the features he’s missing for the same price
@@TonyCox1351 100%. Domestic used is the way to go in every situation except trucks.
@@zacharywatson3242 Why not trucks? Im not a truck guy so im curious
Tommy, you get it! And I get it!! New owner of a Sport 2 dr and I'm wondering if it's the best vehicle I've had. I traded in a BMW convertible, have owned GTIs (3), and Audi TTS, Audi A3 Etron , and Evoque. So many options and inflated prices, and none with the essence of a Jeep. I feel smug, I'm using 87 octane again, winding up my own windows and dreamily planning backroad adventures. I feel like a kid again!
I love and miss this simplicity. It’s a great ride!
for 35K ?
I finally got my '21 Willys Sport after 4 months and 10 days (April 22-Sep 2). I can't say anything bad about it. Mine is Hydro Blue and we've already taken it on a road trip from sw MO to nw FL. Sure, there's some road noise, but my wife and I were able to carry on a conversation without having to raise our voices. The usb port in the center console is a fast charger compared to the one on the dash near the shifter. It did take some time getting used to the shifter with the pull up reverse. You have to keep your fingers away from the pull up ring when shifting into 1st, otherwise it goes into reverse way too easily. I had a 98 TJ Sport, with a soft top and half doors for 17 years. This was way quieter and the roll up windows definitely made a difference in that road noise. Thanks for your take on the Willys Sport. I enjoy your videos and comments.
I like it. I love the simplicity of it, you made a good purchase Tommy!
There actually is an electrical connection on the doors for interior lights. Pull the little kick panel towards you ad you'll see it, but don't unplug it as many folks mess it up reconnecting it.
Good job Tommy! I love the manual everything approach of your Jeep. Better for off-road and less to break.My first new car was a 1982 Audi 4e, manual everything, windows, shift, even a manual crank for the sunroof. Sold it in 86 to a young woman, her daughter drives it today. Cars with less electronics last longer..
You just cant beat the basic Wrangler Willys. No fancy electric gadgets. I ordered the AC and Alpine speakers with bith soft and hard tops. 3.73 gears and 6 spd manual. I pull a small utility trailer with it most of the time. Its a 2015 2door and I love this Jeep!
I currently have a Willys Sport Gladiator on order and you've definitely made me feel even better with my decision!
Great video! I purchased a 2021 Willy’s 4 door. It came with auto start, power locks, power windows and mirrors, auto headlights (LED), back up camera. I went with black cloth, 3 piece hardtop, 2.0 turbo which in my opinion is a better engine. $44,840 minus employee discount it was $41,306. This is my second Wrangler (1993 with square headlights) and it was about $24k. I have owned Mercedes SL 550, BMW 760 li, and an Escalade to name few but my new Jeep is my favorite so far! It fits all the boxes for me; 4 wheel drive, 4 door, good cargo space, good gas mileage (21 city and hwy), convertible and in my opinion inexpensive to buy and operate. My only mods so far are the exhaust and locking gas cap. I will soon be adding a 2.5” lift with 35’s on a 20” wheel, bumpers, and auto running boards.
I really like this jeep. It's such a great balance of capability and affordability. I would love to see you take it to some of the more difficult trails and show what it can do in comparison to vehicles that cost close to twice as much.
Agreed! Even if it were to fail, love to see the limits it can handle
Thanks for reminding me that I grew up deprived in the 1960s!
the willys package really captures the old school jeep look..i like it a lot...can you swap out rubicon parts as time goes by since you wanted affordable jeep at first...saving up money to buy the offroad upgrades later
I recently priced out this Willy's configuration. Love that it offers all the manual bits.
I currently have a 92 Toyota truck w/manual door locks, mirrors, windows and trans. 30yrs this month to the build date. The only piece in the bunch not being original is the pass mirror (and clutch). Broke the mirror on a tree. Replacement was
Love your Jeep, this model has a decent off road package and looks good but I would af like to see it going over the harder side of that trail
Ya know I have a '17 Ram 1500 Laramie with every bell and whistle, from a sun roof to cold seat. I really enjoy the truck. Having said that it still doesn't put a smile on my face like my '89 YJ with no options except for PS and PB. No A/C, no windows, a radio with 2 small speakers in the dash that you can't hear when your moving and a 2.5L with a top speed of 65 going down hill. But it is still what I daily drive from May till October weather permitting. I totally understand what you are saying Tommy. It's a Jeep thing.
I had a 78 CJ-7. In comparison, your jeep is loaded! Also, you didn't need a key to open the door as there was no lock on a canvas door.
This Wrangler checks all my boxes. I don't mind all the manual items - key-in-the lock entry, rolldown windows, basic removable roof, manual adjust mirrors... For once I'd like to buy a just a regular car with these basic options. It would seem to me that they might even do well. Thanks for this review.
Everything you need and nothing you don't. That's what I like about the basic Jeep.
I’m extremely happy with my 16’ Oscar Mike edition, 2 door manual transmission.. it has everything I need, power door locks and windows, also hard too and you are right, it puts a smile on my face! Wranglers are basically the perfect vehicle.
Still puzzles me how an entry level Wrangler with so little interior features as this one, is able to be more expensive, than some new pick-ups. And in it loaded trim level, too close to the price of a Toyota Land Cruiser Prado.
1) Not an entry level 2) We don't have Prados is the US 3) US you would TRD/mods to keep up with Jeeps on our trails will drive up the cost
@@jamesa5398 4) Entry level Toyota 4Runner, with mud tires and aftermarket lockers. Done.
@@RogerM88 The 4Runner (entry-level) would need to be raised (including taller tires AND lower gearing because of the taller tires) to compensate for the longer wheelbase and longer rear overhang, to possibly compete with this 2-door Wrangler.
@@kenhoward3512 that's why I talked about the LC Prado. It has a 3 doors version.
Back in my day. I walk 10 miles to school ...in 10 feet of snow and I liked it.
Excellent video. It really goes to show Wrangler’s inherent goodness off-road. Thank you for reminding us that less-is-more when you go off-road.
Simplicity is why I love driving my 91 F150 and have a base model 19 Fiesta.
This Jeep would be better if it had the traditional crank key start, to be honest.
100% agreed
WHY Please, WHY ???
@@CHMernerner
WHY please, WHY ?
@@tpv59 A mechanical crank key start is more durable and reliable than a push-button start.
@@cheeriy0740
THANK YOU. I did not know this.
Kind regards.
ALL the BEST.
I have a 2014 Wrangler sport with 100,000 miles. I have a wood lot that I drag a trailer through. Before retirement I used it to commute 100 miles through paved mountainous terrain. Except for one recall I have only done regular maintenance (plus a dealer maintenance as recommended). You might notice that the other car manufacturers are reluctant to preform side by sides with this model. Great review, by the way.
I wish it still had the key start too. My 2021 f150 does and I appreciate it
Adjusted for inflation, a brand new 1978 CJ7 cost ~$26k out the door in today's money. Considering how much more you're getting in even the base Wrangler Sport now compared to then, I think the starting price around $30k is very reasonable. Two years ago I picked up a holdover 2018 JL Sport Unlimited with LSD and tow package (before the Willys trim) - it sat on the lot over a year because no one wanted roll-down windows. I found a set of free Rubicon shocks and springs on CL (they're everywhere), added a winch and some 33s on steel wheels, and have the most capable vehicle I've ever owned, and still reasonably comfortable, for under $35k all-in. Could not be happier, and I don't feel like I'm missing anything.
I’m enjoying the videos on your basic jeep! I’d be interested in hearing more on any mods you may consider and ongoing updates
I have a very similar setup with the Cherokee Trailhawk with the rear locker in back and the BLD in front and it will go absolutely anywhere...so it's very comparable to the Willies although you've got bigger tires than I do.
I did the 2-in lift and added basically 31 inch tires and some rock rails and I almost want for nothing...
I would highly recommend the 2-in lift on the Trailhawk and then it is a very very capable vehicle. It's also very cheap to do you can get a Rough Country lift for $150.
True Jeep in the true spirit of the OG CJ’s. That being said, I want all the gizmos. Lol.
All my vehicles are manual door I love it. I don't even lock my crew cab it takes to long. I just wish you could get a base model with the Rubicon off road features
Today that would cost just as much as a normal rubicon, electric windows, mirrors, central locking etc, don’t cost anything to the manufacturer anymore, the manual options only exist so they can make money off the electric stuff as an option.
I like it. Fewer expensive parts to break subsequently costing two paychecks to repair. IMO, this is the way to go with a Wrangler.
Plus, you can always get an after-market locker installed in the back, if you decide you need one.
No stranger to 2foot-itus but when we bought our 2015 we wanted an all manual, no bells no whistles, no air, no nothing. Just a stock 2 dr. soft top. Pd 23cad+taxes. With a storage platform for our gear, two of us comfortably sleep inside having finally managed to get the pass seat to fold flat.. perfect!
Refreshing in it’s simplicity. Harkens back to a time when man drove machine and not the other way around.
My 2018 sr5 4runner has all the basics similar to this. It does have power windows but no push start, no auto tailgate, no fancy updated infotainment with the bigger screen. I think mine in the older 5th gens are 8 inch screen and no Apple car play or anything like that but it’s so simple and it just works. Also the knobs with no climate control is perfectly fine. 3 knobs for fan speed, blue to red temperature knob, and the middle knob for where you want the air to come out. Big huge knobs and big volume knobs. All big buttons and I actually prefer this older infotainment and interior compared to the newer 4runners. Yeah Apple car play would be handy but I just love the old school look of this inferior and infotainment of the 5th gen 4runners up until 2019. No heated or cooled seats, the digital screen in the gauge cluster looks like something from nintendo growing up but I love it! Halogen lights and daytime running lights is basically nonexistent, the fog lights are halogen as well. The low beams can be dim at times but it all just works. I love the old school vibe of this vehicle.
Tommy’s practical and sensible purchase. One day in the future I imagine you watching this video and wonder how practical you were.