Great video. I went to my local BMW Motorrad dealership and was looking at the 1300GS since I was thinking the 1250GSA was going to be tall at my 5'9" height. The sales person at Cape Fear BMW in Wilmington North Carolina USA showed me these yesterday. I was so happy to see this bike actually felt lighter with a full tank of fuel than my Royal Enfield Himalayan. I was looking at the kickstand and it was perfect. I climb on like you. Turn bars to the right and climb on.
100% agree with you on the low chassis, having picked one up on New Year's Eve. I'm also 5'9" with 30" inseam and after test rides on the standard height GS and the RS I was all ready to go for the RS as I felt much more comfortable with the seat height. Hadn't even considered an Adventure as I couldn't even get my leg over it however after sitting on the low chassis GS and low chassis Adventure at Motorcycle live in December I actually felt more comfortable on the Adventure for some reason. Another thing that initially put me off was the width of the 30l fuel tank. However I saw a youtuber saying that it's purely psychological as the bars and the cylinder heads are still the widest parts of the bike and once you're riding you don't really see the tank. 600 miles in and I'm loving the bike.
What a great story! Glad you’re enjoying it and what a brilliant way to round off a year 👍🏻 If you put panniers on they become the new widest part…and you can’t see them while riding! Somehow the brain sorts it all out though. I’ve got a luggage video and Klim jacket review coming soon. Stay tuned!
This is the best video of the new year! Thank you dude! I just ordered a 1250 gsa low and i was scared shitless that it may be a mistake. Finally the answer to my questions!
I bought my first ever GS (1250 Exclusive) in 2019 and i found i was on tiptoe with the standard set-up. But i got some good advice from the dealer. Being "vertically challenged" at 5.6 with a 29" inside leg he showed me how to lower the suspension via the TFT and changing out the rubber seat bungs for a lower version from NN would help. It made a lot of difference as i could now get 3/4 of my foot on the ground. You still have to be careful with cambers and potholes when you stop but i feel a lot more secure now. PS, get boots with a thick sole and you're sorted.
I bought my first ever GS (1250 Exclusive) in 2019 too. I rode the R1300GS and hated it so will be taking a test ride on a 2024 GSA low suspension this week. If all goes well, I will place the order for a Trophy model with gold rims!
I am 68 and 5’7 and own a 1250 GS with low chasis. I use it with a low seat for the street and a super low seat off-road. Occasionally, I still wish I was one or two inches taller, but I enjoy the bike immensely. Since a couple of years ago, whenever I drop the bike, I ask for help picking it up (my back is not what it used to be).
@@a2bwithlee With the right (knobby) tires, the bike is suprisingly capable and even comfortable offroad. Unless you are an expert, stay away from single track (too heavy to turn around), deep mud, and technical terrain. Also, be mindful of the lower ground clearance of the bike - just choose your lines carefully, I haven`t tried the bike on sand. I use the grommets, thanks. Anything to keep closer to the ground. LOL
Low seat with normal springs will do the trick. Once you are lowering the chassis, you pay a price in Ground Clearance and cornering. You need to calculate the sag as well. Anyway, one foot on the ground is more than enough.
Thanks! I just placed an order for a Triple Black with gold wheels today, and at 5ft 9 i have also ordered the low chassis version. Good to hear it still maintains the handling.
Nice review. I'm 5'7 and also tested the standard height. Bought the low chassis gsa. Best decision made. Too right about the heated seats, that was a game changer.
No changes made to the bike and still on original tyres, even after several trips to France. Was thinking of upgrading to the 1250gsa but it's not much different for the extra money, and my one has a TFT.
@@HJM1974 I was the same. Definitely the low chassis option was the better choice for all round confidence and control. I’d love to hear your experience when you get it.
hi still not got my bike yet , theyre having supply issues with looms and lights etc , supposed to be march 26th but put back to April 11th but had email on the 1st that its built and in a port in eu so won't be too long before I get it I hope .
@shogoonp.bechler4601 I'm still on my z400, but have ridden bigger bikes too (z650, 650 gladius). I'm much more confident one footing bikes generally compared to 2 years ago, and still looking forward to maybe owning a bigger bike one day
H i Lee thanks very much for your prompt reply and clearing up the confusion, i will now hound my BMW dealer for a test ride as i was unaware of this option. Many thanks cheers
I'm on my third Lowered GSA. They are balanced and blue printed from the factory. I am 5'8 and touch with both feet firmly on both sides. (Not flat footed though.) If you lower the seat too, you will probably want to pay SW Motech a visit and buy a set of lowered pegs. DO NOT buy this bike thinking you are going to go single track or moderately difficult trails. It is a very comfortable touring bike for gravel or lite sand. (More comfortable than a Honda Gold Wing.) Good video Mate!
Very good and useful video! 👍🏻 Who knows, perhaps you Sir just pointed me towards GSA once I'm bored with the beautiful R1200rs of mine! BMW should pay you for this review. Please consider an update after some more miles are on the clock (including off road experience). All the best!
Thanks Mick! I really appreciate the feedback. I'll definitely do updates as I experience more with the GS. Expect some green laning with road tyres, some two up touring and LoneRider semi rigid luggage vids soon.
I have both. My 1200 is standard and my 1250 is low. The low handles better, only down side is my boot scraps a little earlier than my 1200. Also keep in folks, you can get the low, and then set the seat to the high position, also you can pump the suspension. Best of both worlds!
I just visited GE BMW dealership here in AZ yesterday and they had an GS Adventure with low suspension. I have been reluctant to buy the GS and bought the RT with the lower suspension…I absolutely love the RT and have owned three RT’s. I think the next bike will be the GS now that I’ve tried the low suspension on the GS.
with the same height, people have different distances from the ground to the groin (inner seam length). Therefore, it is correct and better to talk about this - for understanding. There is also information about the saddle height in your case. The standard seat for the lowered version has a height 860/840mm. The heated seat for the lowered version has a height 870/850mm. Lowered seat 840/820mm.
Useful video. Thanks.Comments from me are as an RT rider. I had same leg safety issue as you when I tried a gs/gsa. As I don’t go off road I bought an RT and ride it fine on it’s low seat position- it comes with this as standard. You don’t mention the cost of the low suspension option you ordered. I guess it’s not cheap! If like me you tour and want bags the RT comes with these andoverall becomes a cheaper bike to buy than a GS . It also comes with heated seat , central locking etc so a better deal all round plus fantastic weather protection. RT handles and rides brilliantly too so I am glad I opted for one as I almost felt I must go for a GS just because it looks a bit macho and is so popular. I know looks are subjective and I am not knocking the GS just saying it’s worth seriously considering the RT . It also goes down basic gravel tracks ok.
John thanks for the comment. You make some very good points there. The low chassis option was approximately £200($250). Motorcycles are definitely a subjective thing. I think many of us buy with our hearts more than our heads. And that’s ok. They’re fun! RT or GS…you get a great bike either way 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
i'm 5' 6" and have had a lifetime riding bikes that were 'ostensibly' to tall (laverda jota being one) ... In my experience, you just get used to it. Off roading taught me only ever to put one foot down-I can always flat foot one side. I am on my 3rd gen of GS- now owning a gs 1250. You get used to looking ahead for stopping problems, like dips in the road etc...Anyway totally agree with the rest of your assessment- counterintuitively - the easiest bike in the world to ride!
Hi Simon. Thanks for the insight. I think after a year of this I might feel the same way. Initially I wanted the confidence to ride such a large bike after years of lightweight litre sports bikes. Maybe the next one will be a standard height The one thing we all agree on is how amazing the GS is.
I have also the lower suspension on my gs. I am 6’1”. But I have the seat in the high position. The reason that I chose for the lower suspension is to get easier on and of the bike 😁
Ah, this comment helped me know that it is not unreasonable for me to get the low suspension even though I am 6'0". I will feel more comfortable getting one and off bike and more confident.
@@robertreidmd I'm 6-1 and I chose the 1250GS with low suspension because I ride on dirt infrequently and even then only on trails that are in fair condition and my "low" GS still gives me plenty of ground clearance. And besides, if I was going to do a lot of off road riding I would get the GSA or a KTM. Otherwise I'll take the lower center of gravity, lower angular momentum and better riding comfort of the "low" GS which is still more than two inches higher than any bike I've ever owned. BTW, I do have my seat in the high position for added leg comfort on long rides. So for me it's a win-win with this bike. I think BMW should make the GS with "low" suspension as the standard and offer the higher suspension for those who actually need it. It's a marketing mistake for BMW not to differentiate these bikes more right from the start.
Great run through mate, agree. I sat on both in the showroom, felt far more confident on the low, so bought it 3 months ago. Also being an old geezer, once i am trussed up like a turkey in all the safety gear, found it easier to get the old leg over lol. Good weather here in uk so looking forward to plenty days out. Oh mine the same all the toys and 5hp more for the gold wheels. All the best bud.
Inseam is more important, as a proportion of the height. I’m 5ft 9, with a. 32 inch inseam. I used to have a Dr650 with a similar seat height to the R1250 Adventure, and could still prop it up on off camber roads. Sitting on a GS Adv, the slimness of the front of the saddle is very similar, and the taper of the big 25l tank I fitted to the DR is also similar to the taper on the GS. I currently have a KTM 390 Adv and the lift of my heels is very similar to the GS Adv.
I recently sold my 2019 BMW F 850 GSA... this after several long (6,000 miles) rides... I just got tired of such a top heavy motorcycle for my 5'6" chassis... I bought a bike that was too tall for me. No amount of switching the suspension to road (to get it lower than in Dynamic mode) help when the terrain was uneven and I had to come to a stop. Luckily, for those oh-shi** moments, there were friends around that helped me avoid dropping the bike. But I had enough... to the point it was no longer fun for me to ride it. So I sold it to a much taller rider. The pity is that it was amazing for long trips. My friends ride Honda Gold Wings DCTs and I could out run them, out range them and I was the guy that had everything needed in my magical Mary Poppins hard panniers. Now I am looking at alternatives. Much smaller and lighter bikes...to the tune of a Royal Enfield Himalayan or a KTM 390 Adventure... The issue with those bikes is that there is no way they will keep pace with Gold Wings... and this is a bike that I want for long rides with my friends and the occasional forest trail or light off-road path when I am riding solo. In the KTM forum someone just suggested that take a look at the 1250 GS Adventure with a factory lower suspension and lowered seat option... First of all, it will be hilarious if I arrive home with what the wife would think is the same bike I recently sold. I even gave the new owner the GPS and the GS-911 diagnostic tool.. but anyway... The question that I have: Is this bike still top heavy?? Or is the center of gravity low enough for a short rider to feel like I will not be having that feeling that I will drop it if it leans to much on an uneven terrain?? This is my main concern. I do not want to have that feeling that I had on my 850 GSA ever again... hated it...
I think this is important for YOU to feel. My opinion may not translate to your experience. I’d suggest you can’t beat physically trying one out. Try to get a demo ride.
Pick my low chassis GSA up next week, can’t wait 😎 it was actually a fluke, I hadn’t realised it was a low, or advertised as one - until a mate pointed it out ! At 5’9 it is ideal !
Glad it helped with your decision. I tested a Diavel. Loved it but needed something that could do everything well two up. If I could afford a second bike though….
Good video and feedback. I’m 5’10” approx 31” inseam and also own a low suspension GSA which I honestly think is still ideal for my height than the regular model.
@@a2bwithlee Yes, a couple of times already but not very long distance. I have no problem with the ride performance. Of course I could not compare with the regular suspension which I have no chance to try off road.
Hi mate, I’m 5’8” and ride a 2011 GS1200 with a low chassis, and I love it. Had it since 2017 and it’s the best bike I’ve ever ridden, and boy can I chuck it around corners and roundabouts.
Good informative video lee, I have 31/32in leg,as you say probably get away with the standard height but a lot more confidence inspiring with the lower one, hope you're still enjoying it.
Great info. I have a ‘22 GSA low suspension. I’m 5’-8” with a 29” inseam. The low is the way to go. Both the standard height and low suspension bike share the same seat. The seat can be set in a high and low setting. BMW does offer as an option a low seat.
Thanks Spike! For anyone about to order a little FYI, the heated seat is standard height but there is also a low seat option but not heated. There are after market offset grommets for the low/high setting which gives you an additional 10mm reduction.
Thank you for the helpful video, The higher option will likely work well for me. Now that I’m older and not as flexible, I’m looking for a bike that can fit me properly. The GSA sounds like my best option as I’m 6’4” and 300#.
Hi Michael. Thanks for watching and glad it helped. As we’re similar height I’d highly recommend a test ride. Come back and let us know which one you got and your thoughts. Happy shopping.
Thanks for the video. It's helpful. As far I understood, there are 3 areas of the GSA which can be configured/adjusted to lower the seat ht: 1. low suspension (which was talked about in your video) - a factory option 2. under the seat, there is a piece of metallic support which can be flip around to set it to Low/High to further lower the seat 3. when the bike is started up, in the MENU, there's a suspension setting (AUTO/MIN/MAX), which can set to MIN Have you tried all these three together? Is the bike still functioning as it should when all these 3 are set?
Thank you for the video! I am 5'6". I wouldn't consider anything but a low chassis. But I also do a lot of long distance riding. Would love to hear from you about that now, in the event you have had a chance to do some? I like the bike, but wonder how comfortable an adventure bike can be for 500 interstate miles.
Hi Steve. I recently did a 4 day, 1500 mile trip in Europe. Pillion and luggage we did 650 miles on day 1. Don’t think I’d wanna do much more than that in a day at my age but the bike definitely can do it comfortably.
@@a2bwithlee Yeah that’s a long day I the saddle. Well I thank you for the information and the video. I’m sitting here enjoying an adult beverage on my balcony in Nashville, TN, so I will say, Cheers!
Thank you for this nice video review. I have a 2012 R1200GS low. No problem ever with the side stand. I also bought the big foot accessory for the side stand.
@@a2bwithlee , sorry that I did not get right back with you. Most definitely, I like this accessory. I have ordered almost every accessory that Touratech offers since. If I had a new bike the larger pad side stand foot would be the first that I would order. Incidentally, I have found Touratech to be expensive, but all the accessories are relatively easy to install and fun to install. Very high quality and fit perfect. I had to return an extended front fender because it would interfere with by Big Dog oil pan protection and Touratech was most accommodating.
I agree totally I'm 5"6' ordered the low chassis with low seat and off set seat gromits, still on the balls of my feet but I manage perfectly well 2 up with the wife.
@@a2bwithlee Under the seat is a bracket which you can turn to lower the seat, you can buy the 2 plastic grommet with off set holes which lowers the seat by approximately 10mm. They are very cheap. I tried to put a link to it on here but it won't let me.
I came from an xr i found on the test bike first roundabout i noticed it turns slower with the 19 front wheel at second roundabout i was dialled in i agree with all you say mine is stock height and stock heated seat i am 6ft i manage pretty welk super bike
Nice vid, I have a question as have same bike arriving March, I agree on the heated seats being a game changer as had them on my last 1250 GS , as i understand it, a height reduced GSA is supplied with a low seat, If you opt for heated seats is it a low heated seat or the standard height seat? I'd be interested to know what your bike has? when you add the heated seat option on the configurator its appears considerably higher on the overview pic. I've been unable to get a definitive answer. Thanks in advance and look forward to the full review.
Hi. Thanks for watching. I believe there are two options for a lower GSA. Low seat and low chassis. The heated seat is standard height/thickness compared with the low seat/Ralley seat. I went for the low chassis option which has approx 2inch shorter springs in the suspension. I would urge you to confirm this before ordering as I do not work for BMW and this is my interpretation/understanding. Let us know what you go for!
Hi Filip, Thanks for the kind words. Mine is the low chassis. The seat is heated which does not have the option to be low so regular height seat. Hope this helps.
Hi, I'm 6' 1'' tall. Bought a factory lowered Rallye second hand. How good is it to be able to plant my feet when I'm in trouble. I had a regular GSA and again it was rideable. I have much more confidence in the bush in the lowered bike. Thanks Greg from Australia
Lee, this was an excellent video! Thank you! Question if you have a moment: I am 60 years old, 6 foot, 32-inch inseam, 15.7 stones, big belly, sedentary job, not in shape, nearing retirement, dream of getting the 1250GSA to start next life chapter, have done 2000 miles on a starter bike Ninja 300. I went to the dealer today and he suggested going with the low-chassis. I sat on it and felt comfortable with both feet flat on ground. I plan only tarmac and smooth gravel / dirt, not much more. Do you see any reason why I should not get the low chassis? I think I will feel more comfortable when stopping at intersections knowing I can plant both feet down firmly.
Hi Robert. Thank you. Glad you liked it. How you describe yourself, mate that’s the blueprint for a GS rider 😂. My advice, ride both and choose the one you feel most comfortable but more importantly….happy. Come back and let us all know which way you decided 👍🏻
Hi Lee having watched your vid i picked up that the short suspension is on the gsa model is this correct and is it on any other model as no one explains this in any detail, as i was looking at buying a 2022 gs and have the local BMW dealers lower it or have i got it wrong when people talk about factory lowered suspension there is a certain model i should buy. thanks for any help before i make a purchase R
Hi Russell. The current GS range has various ride height options. One is a factory option called low chassis. This is what I have. It is not a dealer fit. The other is a low seat on standard suspension. I highly recommend test riding first.
Is there any downsides to having a lowered gs on the bitumen compared to standard? Also, when selecting low compared to auto on the electronic suspension, what does that do to road riding, I haven't been able to work it out?
Hi. I didn’t notice any difference between either model on the road. Theoretically the lower bike should be better on road: lower centre of gravity etc. I haven’t ridden in the low suspension mode as Auto is just so damn good.
I am 29 inch inseam, and what you have bshown IS Still TTOO Tall To Be Safe,,, for exactly the reason you stated. Eventually you will find yourself pinned underneath this thing, maybe with a badly broken leg.
Good vid.... thanks. I'm 5'8" x 30. And scary tip toes on the GSA and barely balls of my feet on the GS just sitting in the showroom (they didn't have any demo bikes). I really want the GSA over the GS (love that gas) but I've heard the lowered suspension hurts the ride and handling. You seem to like the handling on road surfaces, so you cleared that up for me. Do you have any experience off road yet, or do you intend to have off road trips. I'm wondering how the shorter suspension handles big bumps. If love to hear from anyone who has taken a low rider off road. That's the only concern I have left about ordering a low GSA. THANKS
Hi Fred. Thanks for watching. You’re correct I love the road handling. That chassis with the semi active suspension is incredible. I haven’t taken it off road yet. I’m sure like most things it’s relative to what you’re used to. The standard GSA having 2 inches extra suspension travel must surely handle large rocks better. That said, How many GS riders regularly hit stuff that’s close to bottoming out the suspension?
Well....I pulled the trigger and ordered a BMW 1250GSA lowered suspension. I can hardly wait to start accessorizing it. I'm all about that bling....'but that bling.
Mine is standard so no basis for comparison. I’m considering the risers that bring the bars a bit closer rather than higher. Anyone had experience of these care to comment?
Confidence and experience trump a lowered chassis. I'm 5'8" with a 30" inseam. I ride a standard GS Adventure. The only "modification" is the seat is on the "Low" setting. Far from flat-footing it. The GS is an adventure bike. It's supposed to ride higher. Learn to ride the model, not dilute it. Ready for the haters. Bring it on, lightweights.
Hi Stoic. Excellent triggering skills 🤣 When I watch someone like Jocelin Snow (5’1) I often think I’ve made a mistake. However, back in the real world, I’m not an ADV expert. Motorcycles and their riders are strange things…all individuals with completely different needs and skills. For me, first time ADV rider, this time the low made more sense. Who knows next? Appreciate the input.
Great video. I went to my local BMW Motorrad dealership and was looking at the 1300GS since I was thinking the 1250GSA was going to be tall at my 5'9" height. The sales person at Cape Fear BMW in Wilmington North Carolina USA showed me these yesterday. I was so happy to see this bike actually felt lighter with a full tank of fuel than my Royal Enfield Himalayan. I was looking at the kickstand and it was perfect. I climb on like you. Turn bars to the right and climb on.
100% agree with you on the low chassis, having picked one up on New Year's Eve. I'm also 5'9" with 30" inseam and after test rides on the standard height GS and the RS I was all ready to go for the RS as I felt much more comfortable with the seat height. Hadn't even considered an Adventure as I couldn't even get my leg over it however after sitting on the low chassis GS and low chassis Adventure at Motorcycle live in December I actually felt more comfortable on the Adventure for some reason. Another thing that initially put me off was the width of the 30l fuel tank. However I saw a youtuber saying that it's purely psychological as the bars and the cylinder heads are still the widest parts of the bike and once you're riding you don't really see the tank. 600 miles in and I'm loving the bike.
What a great story! Glad you’re enjoying it and what a brilliant way to round off a year 👍🏻
If you put panniers on they become the new widest part…and you can’t see them while riding! Somehow the brain sorts it all out though.
I’ve got a luggage video and Klim jacket review coming soon.
Stay tuned!
This is the best video of the new year! Thank you dude! I just ordered a 1250 gsa low and i was scared shitless that it may be a mistake. Finally the answer to my questions!
Happy it helped. Let me know when you get the bike what you think of it..
I bought my first ever GS (1250 Exclusive) in 2019 and i found i was on tiptoe with the standard set-up. But i got some good advice from the dealer. Being "vertically challenged" at 5.6 with a 29" inside leg he showed me how to lower the suspension via the TFT and changing out the rubber seat bungs for a lower version from NN would help. It made a lot of difference as i could now get 3/4 of my foot on the ground. You still have to be careful with cambers and potholes when you stop but i feel a lot more secure now. PS, get boots with a thick sole and you're sorted.
I bought my first ever GS (1250 Exclusive) in 2019 too. I rode the R1300GS and hated it so will be taking a test ride on a 2024 GSA low suspension this week. If all goes well, I will place the order for a Trophy model with gold rims!
I am 68 and 5’7 and own a 1250 GS with low chasis. I use it with a low seat for the street and a super low seat off-road. Occasionally, I still wish I was one or two inches taller, but I enjoy the bike immensely. Since a couple of years ago, whenever I drop the bike, I ask for help picking it up (my back is not what it used to be).
Hi Jaime. What do you think of the bike off road?
Also, take a look at the off set seat grommets which lower the seat an additional 10mm.
@@a2bwithlee With the right (knobby) tires, the bike is suprisingly capable and even comfortable offroad. Unless you are an expert, stay away from single track (too heavy to turn around), deep mud, and technical terrain. Also, be mindful of the lower ground clearance of the bike - just choose your lines carefully, I haven`t tried the bike on sand. I use the grommets, thanks. Anything to keep closer to the ground. LOL
@@jaimeriveras that’s good to hear. Think I’ll upgrade the bash plate.
Low seat with normal springs will do the trick. Once you are lowering the chassis, you pay a price in Ground Clearance and cornering. You need to calculate the sag as well. Anyway, one foot on the ground is more than enough.
Thanks! I just placed an order for a Triple Black with gold wheels today, and at 5ft 9 i have also ordered the low chassis version. Good to hear it still maintains the handling.
Nice review. I'm 5'7 and also tested the standard height. Bought the low chassis gsa. Best decision made. Too right about the heated seats, that was a game changer.
Brilliant report on the lowered GSA. I've had one since 2017 totally by far my best bike.
Hi Stuart. Thanks for watching and the positive comment.
As a long term GSA low rider, are there any changes/mods you’ve made or want to make?
No changes made to the bike and still on original tyres, even after several trips to France. Was thinking of upgrading to the 1250gsa but it's not much different for the extra money, and my one has a TFT.
I have a low chassis triple black GS on order for March and can’t wait. All the best 👍
You’re gonna love it. Did you ride a low before you ordered?
@@a2bwithlee Not ridden it yet. I prefer to get both feet down. Have ridden the standard at I am on tip toes
@@HJM1974 I was the same. Definitely the low chassis option was the better choice for all round confidence and control.
I’d love to hear your experience when you get it.
@@a2bwithlee sure thing. I am so excited. I can’t wait 👍
ive just ordered a low , cant wait to pick it up ive also ordered a low seat to go with it , im only 5ft 4"
Nice one Mike! You’ll love it. Check out Jocelyn Snow’s channel. She’s 5’1 and won the GS cup.
Let us know here when you get the bike.
hi still not got my bike yet , theyre having supply issues with looms and lights etc , supposed to be march 26th but put back to April 11th but had email on the 1st that its built and in a port in eu so won't be too long before I get it I hope .
@@mikedunn00 Fingers crossed 🤞. Looking forward to hearing your experience
@@mikedunn00 Did you have the bike sir? How is the handeling?
@@mmatadore1 yes , I have it and love it , im going to France and Spain on it 3rd june
I have a 28inch leg and have only just discovered they make low versions of these big bikes. Can't wait to try one!
Cool! Please come back and let us know what you think.
After 2 years, anything to add about your try, and how you felt with your 28 inseam ?
@shogoonp.bechler4601 I'm still on my z400, but have ridden bigger bikes too (z650, 650 gladius). I'm much more confident one footing bikes generally compared to 2 years ago, and still looking forward to maybe owning a bigger bike one day
@@ayserides You mean that you didn’t have a try the GSA low chassis ?
H i Lee thanks very much for your prompt reply and clearing up the confusion, i will now hound my BMW dealer for a test ride as i was unaware of this option. Many thanks cheers
Come back and share your thoughts once you choose. Might be of use to others. Good luck!
I'm on my third Lowered GSA. They are balanced and blue printed from the factory. I am 5'8 and touch with both feet firmly on both sides. (Not flat footed though.) If you lower the seat too, you will probably want to pay SW Motech a visit and buy a set of lowered pegs. DO NOT buy this bike thinking you are going to go single track or moderately difficult trails. It is a very comfortable touring bike for gravel or lite sand. (More comfortable than a Honda Gold Wing.) Good video Mate!
Great info’! Thanks
Very good and useful video! 👍🏻 Who knows, perhaps you Sir just pointed me towards GSA once I'm bored with the beautiful R1200rs of mine! BMW should pay you for this review. Please consider an update after some more miles are on the clock (including off road experience). All the best!
Thanks Mick! I really appreciate the feedback. I'll definitely do updates as I experience more with the GS. Expect some green laning with road tyres, some two up touring and LoneRider semi rigid luggage vids soon.
I have both. My 1200 is standard and my 1250 is low. The low handles better, only down side is my boot scraps a little earlier than my 1200.
Also keep in folks, you can get the low, and then set the seat to the high position, also you can pump the suspension. Best of both worlds!
I just visited GE BMW dealership here in AZ yesterday and they had an GS Adventure with low suspension. I have been reluctant to buy the GS and bought the RT with the lower suspension…I absolutely love the RT and have owned three RT’s. I think the next bike will be the GS now that I’ve tried the low suspension on the GS.
Michael that’s great! Was it purely the height that previously kept you away from the GS?
@@a2bwithlee yes. I think the bike absolutely awesome looking
@@MWS1960 check the comments from Alfonso. He mentioned some off set grommets are available which lower the seat even further
Also have ridden it off-road, no problems and so much fun.
with the same height, people have different distances from the ground to the groin (inner seam length). Therefore, it is correct and better to talk about this - for understanding. There is also information about the saddle height in your case. The standard seat for the lowered version has a height 860/840mm. The heated seat for the lowered version has a height 870/850mm. Lowered seat 840/820mm.
Useful video. Thanks.Comments from me are as an RT rider. I had same leg safety issue as you when I tried a gs/gsa. As I don’t go off road I bought an RT and ride it fine on it’s low seat position- it comes with this as standard. You don’t mention the cost of the low suspension option you ordered. I guess it’s not cheap! If like me you tour and want bags the RT comes with these andoverall becomes a cheaper bike to buy than a GS . It also comes with heated seat , central locking etc so a better deal all round plus fantastic weather protection. RT handles and rides brilliantly too so I am glad I opted for one as I almost felt I must go for a GS just because it looks a bit macho and is so popular. I know looks are subjective and I am not knocking the GS just saying it’s worth seriously considering the RT . It also goes down basic gravel tracks ok.
John thanks for the comment. You make some very good points there.
The low chassis option was approximately £200($250).
Motorcycles are definitely a subjective thing. I think many of us buy with our hearts more than our heads. And that’s ok. They’re fun!
RT or GS…you get a great bike either way 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
i'm 5' 6" and have had a lifetime riding bikes that were 'ostensibly' to tall (laverda jota being one) ... In my experience, you just get used to it. Off roading taught me only ever to put one foot down-I can always flat foot one side. I am on my 3rd gen of GS- now owning a gs 1250. You get used to looking ahead for stopping problems, like dips in the road etc...Anyway totally agree with the rest of your assessment- counterintuitively - the easiest bike in the world to ride!
Hi Simon.
Thanks for the insight. I think after a year of this I might feel the same way. Initially I wanted the confidence to ride such a large bike after years of lightweight litre sports bikes. Maybe the next one will be a standard height
The one thing we all agree on is how amazing the GS is.
I have also the lower suspension on my gs. I am 6’1”. But I have the seat in the high position. The reason that I chose for the lower suspension is to get easier on and of the bike 😁
It’s great how flexible the bike is and how it can be configured for so many rider types 👍🏻
Ah, this comment helped me know that it is not unreasonable for me to get the low suspension even though I am 6'0". I will feel more comfortable getting one and off bike and more confident.
@@robertreidmd I'm 6-1 and I chose the 1250GS with low suspension because I ride on dirt infrequently and even then only on trails that are in fair condition and my "low" GS still gives me plenty of ground clearance. And besides, if I was going to do a lot of off road riding I would get the GSA or a KTM. Otherwise I'll take the lower center of gravity, lower angular momentum and better riding comfort of the "low" GS which is still more than two inches higher than any bike I've ever owned. BTW, I do have my seat in the high position for added leg comfort on long rides. So for me it's a win-win with this bike. I think BMW should make the GS with "low" suspension as the standard and offer the higher suspension for those who actually need it. It's a marketing mistake for BMW not to differentiate these bikes more right from the start.
I’m 5’6” 29” inside leg, i have the low and i can get the balls my feet down. I have the heated seat :) love it.
Great run through mate, agree. I sat on both in the showroom, felt far more confident on the low, so bought it 3 months ago. Also being an old geezer, once i am trussed up like a turkey in all the safety gear, found it easier to get the old leg over lol. Good weather here in uk so looking forward to plenty days out. Oh mine the same all the toys and 5hp more for the gold wheels. All the best bud.
Hi John. Happy you’re happy!
Inseam is more important, as a proportion of the height. I’m 5ft 9, with a. 32 inch inseam. I used to have a Dr650 with a similar seat height to the R1250 Adventure, and could still prop it up on off camber roads. Sitting on a GS Adv, the slimness of the front of the saddle is very similar, and the taper of the big 25l tank I fitted to the DR is also similar to the taper on the GS. I currently have a KTM 390 Adv and the lift of my heels is very similar to the GS Adv.
I recently sold my 2019 BMW F 850 GSA... this after several long (6,000 miles) rides... I just got tired of such a top heavy motorcycle for my 5'6" chassis... I bought a bike that was too tall for me. No amount of switching the suspension to road (to get it lower than in Dynamic mode) help when the terrain was uneven and I had to come to a stop. Luckily, for those oh-shi** moments, there were friends around that helped me avoid dropping the bike. But I had enough... to the point it was no longer fun for me to ride it. So I sold it to a much taller rider. The pity is that it was amazing for long trips. My friends ride Honda Gold Wings DCTs and I could out run them, out range them and I was the guy that had everything needed in my magical Mary Poppins hard panniers.
Now I am looking at alternatives. Much smaller and lighter bikes...to the tune of a Royal Enfield Himalayan or a KTM 390 Adventure... The issue with those bikes is that there is no way they will keep pace with Gold Wings... and this is a bike that I want for long rides with my friends and the occasional forest trail or light off-road path when I am riding solo. In the KTM forum someone just suggested that take a look at the 1250 GS Adventure with a factory lower suspension and lowered seat option...
First of all, it will be hilarious if I arrive home with what the wife would think is the same bike I recently sold. I even gave the new owner the GPS and the GS-911 diagnostic tool.. but anyway... The question that I have: Is this bike still top heavy?? Or is the center of gravity low enough for a short rider to feel like I will not be having that feeling that I will drop it if it leans to much on an uneven terrain?? This is my main concern. I do not want to have that feeling that I had on my 850 GSA ever again... hated it...
I think this is important for YOU to feel. My opinion may not translate to your experience. I’d suggest you can’t beat physically trying one out. Try to get a demo ride.
Im 5,11 ,32 inseam and i have the ice grey gsa and i came off a busa ,i love this lowered chassis ,i feel way more confident flat footing the tarmac
Pick my low chassis GSA up next week, can’t wait 😎 it was actually a fluke, I hadn’t realised it was a low, or advertised as one - until a mate pointed it out ! At 5’9 it is ideal !
Exciting! After you’ve had it for a few days, let us know your thoughts.
Great video, reaffirmed my decision to change from my Diavel which I can flat foot to a low suspension GS..thanks a lot
Glad it helped with your decision. I tested a Diavel. Loved it but needed something that could do everything well two up. If I could afford a second bike though….
Good video and feedback. I’m 5’10” approx 31” inseam and also own a low suspension GSA which I honestly think is still ideal for my height than the regular model.
That’s interesting. Did you try both and what made you decide on the low?
@@a2bwithlee Yes I tried the regular suspension and could not plant my feet confidently on the floor. I'm really glad I opted to get a low sus GSA.
@@cmvantagepoint89 There have been a couple of people asking about the off road performance. Have you ridden off road yet?
@@a2bwithlee Yes, a couple of times already but not very long distance. I have no problem with the ride performance. Of course I could not compare with the regular suspension which I have no chance to try off road.
@@cmvantagepoint89 I guess whichever model we end up with, as long as we’re enjoying it and oblivious to the other, it’s all good 👍🏻
Hi mate, I’m 5’8” and ride a 2011 GS1200 with a low chassis, and I love it. Had it since 2017 and it’s the best bike I’ve ever ridden, and boy can I chuck it around corners and roundabouts.
Good informative video lee, I have 31/32in leg,as you say probably get away with the standard height but a lot more confidence inspiring with the lower one, hope you're still enjoying it.
Great info. I have a ‘22 GSA low suspension. I’m 5’-8” with a 29” inseam.
The low is the way to go.
Both the standard height and low suspension bike share the same seat.
The seat can be set in a high and low setting.
BMW does offer as an option a low seat.
Thanks Spike!
For anyone about to order a little FYI, the heated seat is standard height but there is also a low seat option but not heated.
There are after market offset grommets for the low/high setting which gives you an additional 10mm reduction.
Thanks for one of the best videos.
You gave me the info I needed thanks.
Thank you for the helpful video, The higher option will likely work well for me. Now that I’m older and not as flexible, I’m looking for a bike that can fit me properly. The GSA sounds like my best option as I’m 6’4” and 300#.
Great video Lee. Very informative - we're delighted you're enjoying your new bike!
I am! Thanks all.
Great video, everything I needed to know about this bike. Cheers
Thanks. Happy to help. Luggage review coming soon too!
Hi currently looking at buying a new GS and I am simlar height and weight so your review is very helpful in deciding which version to get. Cheers
Hi Michael.
Thanks for watching and glad it helped.
As we’re similar height I’d highly recommend a test ride.
Come back and let us know which one you got and your thoughts. Happy shopping.
@@a2bwithlee yes iv sat on 1 in showroom and instantly feels right. Thanks again.
Thanks for the video. It's helpful.
As far I understood, there are 3 areas of the GSA which can be configured/adjusted to lower the seat ht:
1. low suspension (which was talked about in your video) - a factory option
2. under the seat, there is a piece of metallic support which can be flip around to set it to Low/High to further lower the seat
3. when the bike is started up, in the MENU, there's a suspension setting (AUTO/MIN/MAX), which can set to MIN
Have you tried all these three together? Is the bike still functioning as it should when all these 3 are set?
Bmw should really pay you as a consultant …
Damn most dealers / sellers wouldn’t even tell you half the things ….
Haha thanks. Really appreciate that and very happy if it helps anyone
Thenks you Right.👍👍👍
Thank you for the video! I am 5'6". I wouldn't consider anything but a low chassis. But I also do a lot of long distance riding. Would love to hear from you about that now, in the event you have had a chance to do some? I like the bike, but wonder how comfortable an adventure bike can be for 500 interstate miles.
Hi Steve. I recently did a 4 day, 1500 mile trip in Europe. Pillion and luggage we did 650 miles on day 1.
Don’t think I’d wanna do much more than that in a day at my age but the bike definitely can do it comfortably.
@@a2bwithlee Yeah that’s a long day I the saddle. Well I thank you for the information and the video. I’m sitting here enjoying an adult beverage on my balcony in Nashville, TN, so I will say, Cheers!
I love it… it is perfect.
Wonderful video
Thank you … great review
The big tall heavy gs is good for one thing only and that is the highway only.
Thank you for this nice video review. I have a 2012 R1200GS low. No problem ever with the side stand. I also bought the big foot accessory for the side stand.
Hi Hector. What do you think of the big foot accessory? Any good?
@@a2bwithlee , sorry that I did not get right back with you. Most definitely, I like this accessory. I have ordered almost every accessory that Touratech offers since. If I had a new bike the larger pad side stand foot would be the first that I would order.
Incidentally, I have found Touratech to be expensive, but all the accessories are relatively easy to install and fun to install. Very high quality and fit perfect. I had to return an extended front fender because it would interfere with by Big Dog oil pan protection and Touratech was most accommodating.
@@hectorvara750 thanks. Great to hear they provide quality and are helpful 👍🏻
You’re really selling that thing mate👍
I agree totally I'm 5"6' ordered the low chassis with low seat and off set seat gromits, still on the balls of my feet but I manage perfectly well 2 up with the wife.
Sounds good! What are the off set seat grommets?
@@a2bwithlee
Under the seat is a bracket which you can turn to lower the seat, you can buy the 2 plastic grommet with off set holes which lowers the seat by approximately 10mm. They are very cheap. I tried to put a link to it on here but it won't let me.
@@fonso1961 that’s interesting. I don’t need it but might get some to try. Maybe I’ll do a review 👍🏻
5-8” 1250 gsa 2024 low suspension low seat and both feet are flat.
I came from an xr i found on the test bike first roundabout i noticed it turns slower with the 19 front wheel at second roundabout i was dialled in i agree with all you say mine is stock height and stock heated seat i am 6ft i manage pretty welk super bike
Nice vid, I have a question as have same bike arriving March, I agree on the heated seats being a game changer as had them on my last 1250 GS , as i understand it, a height reduced GSA is supplied with a low seat, If you opt for heated seats is it a low heated seat or the standard height seat? I'd be interested to know what your bike has? when you add the heated seat option on the configurator its appears considerably higher on the overview pic. I've been unable to get a definitive answer. Thanks in advance and look forward to the full review.
Hi. Thanks for watching.
I believe there are two options for a lower GSA. Low seat and low chassis. The heated seat is standard height/thickness compared with the low seat/Ralley seat. I went for the low chassis option which has approx 2inch shorter springs in the suspension.
I would urge you to confirm this before ordering as I do not work for BMW and this is my interpretation/understanding.
Let us know what you go for!
Great informative video. I would like to ask you, is this low chassis with low seat or regular seat? Tnx
Hi Filip, Thanks for the kind words. Mine is the low chassis. The seat is heated which does not have the option to be low so regular height seat.
Hope this helps.
Hi, I'm 6' 1'' tall.
Bought a factory lowered Rallye second hand. How good is it to be able to plant my feet when I'm in trouble.
I had a regular GSA and again it was rideable. I have much more confidence in the bush in the lowered bike.
Thanks Greg from Australia
Greg that’s interesting. Doesn’t feel cramped at all?
Спасибо за полезную информацию, без лишних слов.
Lee, this was an excellent video! Thank you! Question if you have a moment: I am 60 years old, 6 foot, 32-inch inseam, 15.7 stones, big belly, sedentary job, not in shape, nearing retirement, dream of getting the 1250GSA to start next life chapter, have done 2000 miles on a starter bike Ninja 300. I went to the dealer today and he suggested going with the low-chassis. I sat on it and felt comfortable with both feet flat on ground. I plan only tarmac and smooth gravel / dirt, not much more. Do you see any reason why I should not get the low chassis? I think I will feel more comfortable when stopping at intersections knowing I can plant both feet down firmly.
Hi Robert. Thank you. Glad you liked it.
How you describe yourself, mate that’s the blueprint for a GS rider 😂.
My advice, ride both and choose the one you feel most comfortable but more importantly….happy.
Come back and let us all know which way you decided 👍🏻
@@a2bwithlee Will do!
why don't you put an adjustable side stand on it
Hi Lee having watched your vid i picked up that the short suspension is on the gsa model is this correct and is it on any other model as no one explains this in any detail, as i was looking at buying a 2022 gs and have the local BMW dealers lower it or have i got it wrong when people talk about factory lowered suspension there is a certain model i should buy. thanks for any help before i make a purchase R
Hi Russell. The current GS range has various ride height options. One is a factory option called low chassis. This is what I have. It is not a dealer fit. The other is a low seat on standard suspension. I highly recommend test riding first.
Will always take advice from a fellow ping pong player
Is there any downsides to having a lowered gs on the bitumen compared to standard? Also, when selecting low compared to auto on the electronic suspension, what does that do to road riding, I haven't been able to work it out?
Hi. I didn’t notice any difference between either model on the road. Theoretically the lower bike should be better on road: lower centre of gravity etc.
I haven’t ridden in the low suspension mode as Auto is just so damn good.
I am 29 inch inseam, and what you have bshown IS Still TTOO Tall To Be Safe,,, for exactly the reason you stated. Eventually you will find yourself pinned underneath this thing, maybe with a badly broken leg.
That’s helpful
Good vid.... thanks.
I'm 5'8" x 30. And scary tip toes on the GSA and barely balls of my feet on the GS just sitting in the showroom (they didn't have any demo bikes). I really want the GSA over the GS (love that gas) but I've heard the lowered suspension hurts the ride and handling. You seem to like the handling on road surfaces, so you cleared that up for me. Do you have any experience off road yet, or do you intend to have off road trips. I'm wondering how the shorter suspension handles big bumps. If love to hear from anyone who has taken a low rider off road. That's the only concern I have left about ordering a low GSA. THANKS
Hi Fred. Thanks for watching.
You’re correct I love the road handling. That chassis with the semi active suspension is incredible.
I haven’t taken it off road yet. I’m sure like most things it’s relative to what you’re used to.
The standard GSA having 2 inches extra suspension travel must surely handle large rocks better.
That said, How many GS riders regularly hit stuff that’s close to bottoming out the suspension?
Also, check out Big Rock Moto GSA standard review. He compares street and off road handling ruclips.net/video/OTA60QaHnms/видео.html
Well....I pulled the trigger and ordered a BMW 1250GSA lowered suspension. I can hardly wait to start accessorizing it.
I'm all about that bling....'but that bling.
@@fredlaurents7660 Fantastic!!! What’s on the shopping list?
Soft bags, a train horn, and lights.... bright lights....I want to read a news paper at a quarter mile.
Hello, could this gs be my first bike, and if not what's your opinion to have bought before buying this beast?
If I am correct, the lowered version does not have the ESA. Do you notice the difference?
Mine has ESA.
@@a2bwithlee interesting the 22 model seems to allow it but on the website the 2023 removes ESA when you add lowered suspension option.
DO YOU LOSE A FEATURE IF YOU GO FOR THE LOW CHASIS?
Do you know the actual front and rear suspension travel on the low suspension bike? Have researched and their seems to be some discrepancies.
Hi. I don’t. I know it’s lowered by 2 inches so if you can find the regular height bike’s travel and subtract that should be in the ball park
what is seat height of this bike ?
How or where did you get the amber colored headlight ….trim?
Hi Steve. www.lonerider-motorcycle.com
Do you ride her? Let’s see you get on and demonstrate mate! Take care
But GSs are meant to be kept in a garage and polished 😉
Would you recommend bar risers?
Mine is standard so no basis for comparison. I’m considering the risers that bring the bars a bit closer rather than higher. Anyone had experience of these care to comment?
i am 5 2 can i ride this bike?
Check out Jocelyn Snow on here. She has some very helpful tips and tricks.
@@a2bwithlee thanks
Confidence and experience trump a lowered chassis.
I'm 5'8" with a 30" inseam. I ride a standard GS Adventure. The only "modification" is the seat is on the "Low" setting. Far from flat-footing it. The GS is an adventure bike. It's supposed to ride higher. Learn to ride the model, not dilute it.
Ready for the haters. Bring it on, lightweights.
Hi Stoic. Excellent triggering skills 🤣
When I watch someone like Jocelin Snow (5’1) I often think I’ve made a mistake.
However, back in the real world, I’m not an ADV expert.
Motorcycles and their riders are strange things…all individuals with completely different needs and skills.
For me, first time ADV rider, this time the low made more sense.
Who knows next?
Appreciate the input.