Antique Coleman 425 Stove Testing Out Different Fuels for Performance
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- Опубликовано: 28 апр 2019
- After my last video running my Coleman stove it was asked to me what different fuels I could run in the stove and what there performance would be. I thought this was an interesting question and decided to test this out.
I have used as a fuel
Denatured Alcohol
Kerosene
Gasoline E10
Naphtha (Coleman fuel) several years old
A fresh can of Naphtha
Each test included a complete clean-out and inspection of the tank and generator to ensure a good test.
Furthermore, its worth noting:
1) Alcohol runs too unstable as a fuel in this stove. Possible.... but not worth it..
2) Kerosene requires preheating the generator to run, but works great.
After each demo... The boil water time tests were conducted
1 Litre and 1 Cup
Another interesting discovery in all this is that while the older Whitegas (naphtha)burned fine, it did not have nearly the power of the new bottle. 
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Hats off to those who take the time, energy and money to teach others. Without people like you, nothing of value would be passed down. people like you fill the void of knowledge of elders long passed and gone. Thank you for what you do!
It's my pleasure
This was one of the most informative videos I’ve seen on these legendary stoves. Coleman stoves are just solid workhorses. Troops used them in WWII, millions of families have enjoyed decades of camping with them, and I’ve used mine in 3 natural disasters as well as camping. They’re just hard not to love.
Ive recently released a video on one of the civilian editions of the WW2 model, restored.
Is the Coleman better than the Svea 123r?
One of my most intriguing memories as a young boy was watching my father fuss with and cuss at, his green stove! Lol!
Also more rural locations in the early 20th these were everyday cooking stoves.
Brilliant concept and so much good information. And thank you for feeding my weird obsession with Coleman stoves!
Here to feed, I have a few new ones planned.
join the club..also addicted to Colemam stoves !
And don't forget the lanterns! Every opportunity I get I fire up the lantern...it always accompanies the portable 🔥 pit.
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Thank you for the exhaustive comparison of fuels! I'd bet that many of us Coleman users have always wondered about alternative fuel use but would have never taken the time to do what you did.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Due to work requirements, I just picked up my Coleman 425C that I had as a kid from my parent's house. After sitting for 25 years, she fired right up and ran fine off the Coleman fuel from the same time. I am running the last quart and a half before I start feeding fresh white gas I just picked up a few days ago. I was very excited to watch this video and was pleased to see the results. Great idea, thanks for doing it.
You're welcome, it was a fun project.
Great consistent testing model. Answered a few questions that I had as a new camper / prepper.
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome testing! Thank you for all your hard work.
You're welcome.
Excellent video. Answered a lot of my questions. Thanks for taking the time to do this.
Very welcome!
Very informative video. I’m prepping my Coleman 425f . Thanks so much for taking the time to do it it helped
Glad it was helpful!
I really enjoyed your review!!!! Thank you very much for taking the time.
Cheers,
David T.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This video answers the exact question I had. Thank you, sir. You are amazing! Thanks for your hard work and effort!
And may I also add that this is the most thorough, scientific, in-depth, nerdy-cool, stove video I have ever seen. It still amazes me that people take the time to share their knowledge, time and creativity on RUclips.
Glad to help!
A concise and most informative presentation. High value; no fluff. Thanks.
I try to minimize fluff.
What a great, thorough review! Thanks so much for putting this info out here to the masses. I've always wondered about using gasoline but was reluctant that I might ruin my stove but looks like it will just need a more frequent cleaning. Really, Thanks again for a comprehensive test that should answer 90% of our questions!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you! Just heading back from my first over landing trip and looking for a stove. This is perfect! Gasoline is the way to go! Minimizing the need to carry many fuels. Just gasoline and then diesel for the heater. DONE. Thank you again. Very informative.
Boy...happy to have turned into this video, just getting ready to buy my first Coleman stove and was wondering just like your other viewers on what's best to get. This is very educational. GREAT JOB AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
Gracias
Glad I could help!
Awesome video!! I absolutely love my coleman gas camp appliances. I have used both gasoline and camp fuel in mine, and I too have found that the camp fuel runs hotter and cleaner. Thanks for sharing!!
awesome info, this is just what i was looking for as i just started getting some naptha stoves for SHTF and camping. good to know old fuels still work amazing just take longer.
Glad it was helpful!
Amazing video, thank you! I had no idea you could run regular gasoline in these stoves! Not only that, it’s clearly efficient. I just got myself one of these for $2 at an auction and I’ll be following along your clean-up and rebuild video to prep it for use! Thanks again!
Unleaded gas can clog the generator tube. Coleman fuel has less additives
Just answered so many questions I wanted to know. Save me a lot of personal time
Excellent video. My dad hunted and camped all over the Midwest. He always told me if I am going to bring/use a Coleman stove or lantern, that White gas was best for the exact reason demonstrated here. It burns perfectly and doesn’t foul components like other fuels. In a desperate situation, sure you use what you can get your hands on.
Awesome. Answered my questions on my newly purchased stove.
Awesome. Enjoy it.
This is awesome real-world evidence of what can be used and what the pros & cons are, rather than reading multiple cut n paste blog entries saying "not designed for this fuel". Thanks and one comment/question is that the 425 isnt even considered the dual gas stove (the 424 is) but still works! Thanks for confirming my decision to buy!
It could just be seals and marketing. A side by side comparison would be interesting.
That was information I was looking for. THANK you. Subscribed.
Welcome!
Thank you for spending so much time on it very informative enjoyed it save me a lot of time
You're very welcome!
Thanks for making this video! I've always wondered about alternative fuels, but never had the guts to try them :)
Now you don’t have to.
You answered my question without me asking. I loved the test with gas. if we have an emergency, gas is more easy to buy. Thank you for your video!!
Yes in an emergency petrol would be a life saver
Great information, thank you for sharing. I just got one of these old stoves.
Its a great stove.
@@retrotechandelectronics If I may... Try adding a CAP or two of (yellow) HEAT to your OLD White gas and Test it!? :)
@@RVingwithG I was wondering if that HEET would help to remove any moisture in the fuel. I have a couple of gallons of Coleman fuel that's been out of a protected environment and thought about giving it a try.
Thanks for reinforcing my thoughts.
Excellent job. 👏 I rarely comments on RUclips videos but you did such outstanding informative video that it is quite useful for other countries where we don't have white gas. Thanks.
Thank you for this review. Nicejob!! 😊👍
Thanks!
Thanks for sharing, bro, a good prospect on old fuel. I knew they would work ok, I ran through a can of 10-year-old fuel with no issue. But the amount of BTU is definitely reduced with old fule.
What an amazing video. VERY useful
Glad it was helpful!
Wow. Exactly what I was looking for. Fantastic work! I’m buying one Coleman, maybe two tomorrow. I’ll feel better about using gasoline. The kerosene burn was awesome!
Remember gasoline has lots of chemicals in it.
Definitely a very informative video, thank you.
wonderful!! this is the first video I've seen that checks the deposit as well. good job!!
Thanks.
Thank You for the Test results. I was wondering about burning regular gasoline.
You are welcome!
I don't use gasoline even in duel fuel stoves and lanterns , but I do use a small amount of acetone mixed with white gas for an occasional internal cleaning of stoves and lanterns. The key word is an Occasional burn and cleaning with aprox. 1 tablespoon acetone per quart of fuel. This also works well with lawnmowers and other internal combustion engines.
Thanks for your video and all the best.
Really good experiment! thanks for share!
Thanks for watching!
Thank you! I think this is the first video that test gasoline
And it works really good, it’s just like naphtha but with additives.
Gasoline being easier to find and cheaper this is good info .
Thank you. Just got my late Father-In-Law's old Coleman and was looking what to burn in it. After 10 years plus..it fired right up. I wish I knew what he put in it last.
Coleman fuel [naptha] is the standard, use that
top information and testing well done sir appreciated
Thanks 👍
Great information.
love the old Colemans. If you look at estate sales you can pick them up for $5-$10. Add $20 for propane adapter and you have a true multifuel stove. A .22 cal brush and some Carb cleaner and you are good to go. Nice video, thanks for taking the time to make it.
Thanks for the tip!
Fantastic video! I learned a lot and was surprised by the degradation. To be fair the old fuel still performed quite well.
Oh and very scientific.
It was a fair test, but not scientific. A sample size of one iteration per fuel ignores 2 crucial factors of the scientific method. Consistency and repeatability. We also don't account for several factors here like, water temperature, ambient temperature, accuracy of water measurement, wind speed and direction, starting temperature of the pot, time from throttle up to pot placement are a few. These should be measured and recorded for each iteration of the test.
Again, I'm not complaining about the test, it was fair and you likely wouldn't see much variation, but some items are concerning. For instance, why would kerosene boil the large pot 55 sec slower that pump gas, but boil the 1 cup 5 seconds faster than pump gas? That alone is a HUGE red flag that would invalidate a scientific test. At least that iteration would have to be thrown out. Until consistent, repeatable results are recorded, we can draw any conclusions at all. That's why we can't rely on anecdotal data and non-peer reviewed studies. We don't repeat and review because we think tests are cheated or rigged. We do it for accuracy and validity. Career scientists run into outlier data points all the time. But over many iterations of tests, patterns will form and data points will cluster at the best result. When we get multiple outliers we investigate what could have caused it and we test those ideas to see if we can repeat those results.
Science doesn't dictate truth, it gives the best estimates of what is likely true with a given data set. It get even better when we have multiple studies that produce data consistent with other studies.
About the only conclusion we can come to here is that the best fuel for these stoves is likely what the manufacturer, who did a lot of testing, recommended in the first place. Fresh white gas/camp fuel/naptha. But it also is of significant value to demonstrate that in a pinch, other fuels can be used.
@@mikemorgan5015agreed, but not bad for a YT vid. I thought he should have also tried some fresh fuel since that was oldish too.
Very well done!
Thanks.
Fantastic research and data contribution! Thank you for shareing a wealth of information. Great presentation. "Coleman Collector":))
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you. This was enlightening to say the least.
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent video - very helpful
Glad it was helpful!
Grest video RTE and thank you. I have used crown in both my lanterns and stove with no problems. Gas, I guess would be a last resort.
Right on
Great information !!! Thank you for sharing!
My pleasure!
Thank you for a brilliant video. I use my 425 everyday (my only cooking device), and I cook all the time. I appreciate learning that e-85 works well in my sole kitchen stove. In gratitude, all the best with good health.
How long does a stove last? I would have thought the burners would wear after a while.
He didn't use E85. He used E10, standard auto gasoline.
He did show that alcohol does not work well and E85 is 85% alcohol.
@@trustme7731 Thank you for the clarification, and my miss understanding. All the best to you, for your input.
@@greatwhitenorthlife2327 Yes you are correct, the burner does degrade with constant use, but I have gotton many years of use. The outer cup will disintegrate first, but the burner will still work with a damaged outer cup. Good luck with your unit, and all the best from New Rochelle N.Y.
Awesome video man. Thanks a lot
You're Welcome.
GREAT VIDEO VERY HELPFUL 😊
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the detailed testing
You’re welcome
@@retrotechandelectronics by any chance did you do any test on how long a tank of gas last at full power.
man, you really put this stove through its paces. I just picked up a 425E, and didn't hesitate to use gasoline based off your video. Nice to know I could use kerosene in a pinch too. thanks a lot Sir.
Just remember gas has a lot more chemicals added than whitegas, it should be used in emergency but not as a substitute.
Ok, but white gas is distilled from gasoline I think. What are the known risks of running these on gasoline consistently?
@@fishinjunky I think hes alluding to the additives in pump gas and the potential for them to affect your health. A stove-specific fuel (such as coleman) would be formulated without those.
Excellent video!!!!
Thanks!
I couldn't fine Coleman fuel but only Crown and haven't found any reviews on Crown white gas. This answers my questions about this brand. I will use old Coleman fuel for lanterns and new gas for stoves. Thanks for making this video.
Glad I could help!
Cool test.
I have a 4-5 year old can but was stored most of its life inside. Has some rust since being outside. Trying to burn through it now.
Got some crown gallons from Walmart. Half the price of Coleman.
Good testing, thanks
Good and fun too!
Excellent job
Thank you very much!
Very good job
Thanks.
This is the best video about multi fuel in Coleman camping stoves
Thanks!
Someone was just throwing out the same Coleman stove so I put it in my garage and wondered what fuel I could burn it that’s how I came to your video.
Nice… free stove
Your denatured alcohol test was informative. I think that the alcohol has a higher flashpoint that inhibits the vaporization need to keep the cycle going.
Great vid, a lot of work there....thx
Glad you enjoyed it
Great job !
Thanks.
Great video, we got one of these as a gift. Now I dont need to test fuels out myself
Glad to help...
good video for sharing the information.
Glad you liked it
great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
The multi fuel stoves allow use of regular gas as well as the clear ethanol free because they don't have the standard coating inside the tank. The standard coating is eaten up with regular gas and becomes a problem sooner or later. That said, it'll burn just fine for some time before it clogs up.
Great information !!! Going to get some Crown
Awesome!
Thank you very much for the information .
You are welcome
Being a prepper this is good info .
More on the way
great job!
Thanks.
Very well done video RETRO. I would of liked to see the adapter used that you can use a propane cannister with just cause you have me curious now,. Excellent video, thanks..
I thought of it, but in a pinch nobody runs out to buy a propane adapter. that wouldnt be an emergency auxillary fuel.
Great video very informative. Would have loved to have seen how fresh gas would have performed compared to the older gas.
Older gas with ethanol, would have less energy per litre, and older gas would absorb water, having even less energy density.
I got a few of these old things and have them for backup. I have the coleman 533 for the single burner gotta go carry in woods backup. Works well.
Enjoyed the video. Based on how clean the generator looked after using the Coleman fuel, I think I'll stick with that unless it's an emeergency situation. I keep thinking about getting a Blackstone, but the Lodge 16.75" griddle fits perfectly on top of my 425 so that works for me.
Yeah I would use different fuels for any old reason, I stick with coleman fuel unless I have no other means.
So I hadn't ran either of my stoves, a 425 and a multifuel, for like 15 yeara. Both had left over coleman fuel in them from last use. 1t years. Both when I removed the fuel cap had air preasure. I closed both up. They both lit and burned on 15 year old fuel. Had 3/4 full can of coleman fuel say at least 10 year old. The upper two thirds of the can burned fine in my stoves and lantern. But the lower portion would burn in my 4wt stove but sounded like a sick jet engine. The throat of the venturi tube heated and glowed red.
Amaxing what these devices do.
The fuel is hydroscopic, theres a good chance the container may have lots of rust in it and should be cleaned out. The pressure is only caused by a difference in air temperature outside and inside the container. Eventually you end up sucking in water and rust fragments into the generator section.
Very convincing, thank you!
You're welcome!
Good video.
Thanks!
Thanks for this.
You’re welcome.
Great review and results. On ke ro turn up the light lever for a minute before shutting down the stove, that helps to burn 3xcess fuel out of the genny. That's how the older stoves operated
I was not aware of this, but I guess that would purge off the rest as fumes, vice fuel.
Awesome thanks you helped me a lot
Glad I could help
Great analysis. Only prob with kerosene if the generator will clog in short order, might work a few times b4 failure of generator.
Thanks for the video
No problem!
So very useful infovin this vid.
Turn out, even old gasoline works quite well when you need a stove to cook on.
Lot of good info. Thanks for taking the time to put this out. I was wondering if Sta-Bil fuel stabilizer would make much of a deference in the fouling of the generator?
No, sta bil just puts a coating of oil on top of fuel for short term storage to keep down oxygen degeneration. Like a 3 month seasonal storage period.
I've just restored a 48 year old Coleman 2 burner stove and did a boil test using fresh Naptha fuel to compare results. Interestingly my time was 6:44 minutes. I may not have had the flame turned up as much and my pot size was a smaller area but taller (Hiking style pot) so the heat transfer would have been different. Still, I'm more than happy to have it working again.
I can compare between fuels and so can you, but we cannot compare between stoves because of the variables, weather, pot metal, thickness, and other such conditions.
I'm using RUG. Before lighting the stove, I always preheat the generator with a blow torch, then start using the stove with the lever down position from the start. Pure blue flames without any flares.
Thank you for this! I'm slowly moving more off grid in my trailer and I hate propane. Super difficult to fill 100 lb tanks; heaters use propane like it costs .00001 a lb; more than one item that uses it and you need a ton of pipes, adaptors, etc etc; if you only want one off grid fuel propane doesn't cover everything. I have a dual fuel stove and a catalytic heater. Looking for a lamp, which is somehow more difficult. The less fuels I have to carry around and store, the better!
White gas works. But isnt cheap.
Thanks JC!!!
You're Welcome.
Very good test,I have wondered about the use of regular gasoline being cheaper or if it would actually even work! But I see the Colman fuel burns cleaner, for as much as I use mine think I'll just use the correct Colman fuel!!!
It’s always recommended. But good to know what to use in an emergency
Awesome 👍
Thanks for the visit
I am glad I finally found someone who actually used gas , I have been afraid to try it. I guess I thought that gas would just blow up if lit..
Naphtha (whitegas) is just distilled petrol. Thats coleman fuel.
what he said, white gas is still pretty much gasoline
I used 'white gas' in a coleman lamp, I didn't know it was gasoline. And when it is first lit, it shoots up a flame like 4 feet high. I was lucky I didn't melt my face off. After it is lit a few minutes and all the parts heat up, is calms down. I didn't know camp fuel was gas - like gasoline you ran in your car. And you can't beat a coleman, they were built to last forever.
good info my friend
billy joe
Thanx!
Thank you very much for doing the kerosene as well. (This means diesel will just fine! Kero and diesel are very very similar) 😊
Lots have asked me to do a separate diesel video
Good job. Greta video
Thank you.
Awesome video! As you said... Kerosine will pool if you cook on low. Need to keep heat on at least medium. It is easy to toss an alcohol stove inside the suitcase stove as long as you adjust the height, etc. so that it sits under the grate and the suitcase provides wind resistance and a little safety when using the stove. Just make sure to remove the little Swiss burner when using the Coleman stove burners.
Other than necesitate cleaning, I am wondering if this would be a useful and practical way of getting rid ofl older gaseline by running in the stove.
Have you tried one of the multi-fuel newer suitcase stoves to see how they function?
What color powder coat did you use. Great color that is close to the Coleman red!! Great job on the restoration, thank you.
i have been trying to find this out, thank so Much!!!!!!!! do you have any of the M-1950"s? or the 520 Coleman stove? have you tried alcohol in them also?
Sorry I do not. I have a video with one older model