The climb to 1 mil is real. Still ze best, always been a fan and always will be!! Hope i can meet you in person one of these days! Keep up the grind ma man.
Thank you for your perspective about people with a criminal record, Zero. I actually teared up a bit hearing your openness and honesty about giving people with a criminal history a chance to reintegrate into society after serving their time. I, myself, have a criminal history. I'm not proud of it, I know people hate me for it, and I'm fully aware people don't want me around out of discomfort. But like DaShizWiz, we recognize our faults and pay our debts to society. Why don't we deserve a chance to prove we can be productive and "normal" members of society? Like you said, if all we get is condemnation and rejection at every turn, what option is left for us but to return to that self-destructive pattern that lead us to offend in the first place? We don't want to be given special treatment, just a chance to be like everyone else. So thanks Zero. That is really refreshing and heartwarming to hear that kind of compassion and understanding from you. I, and I'm sure Shiz, really appreciate it.
Why should the people around you be inclined to believe that you've changed? You have to prove that you're trustworthy again, which may take a very long time, so be patient.
@@soothingseas Because, as Zero also said, we've paid our debt to society. We served the time, our punishment is over, according to rule of law. And by the court's ruling, we are given that opportunity to return to society as we lived before offending. If we were deemed ill fitting to return to society, we would be held in jail for longer, depending on the severity of the crime. Criminals already have to live with the personal guilt and public shame of committing a crime, as well as whatever life changing conditions and restrictions given by the justice system. That is our burden to bare, not yours. The least you can do is not give us more hardship by telling us we aren't wanted because of something we did in the past. Especially if we don't show any indication of repeating the offense. Are we not deserving of a second chance? Are we not worthy of the opportunity to prove we are not more a threat than any other random stranger you encounter on a day to day basis? Unless you were directly affected by our crime, you have no right to demand more from us just to make you feel comfortable. I know you don't want to hear that, but you aren't owed anything from someone with a criminal past if they have served their time. It's not your place to expect us to be punished further for your sake. I know it's easy to demonize us for what we did, but that doesn't mean you are higher on the social totem pole and get to make the rules we have to adhere to. Just something to think about when you tell those with a criminal history they have to go the extra mile to earn your "trust."
Worst experience I've had is at Smash n Splash 2019, I was playing in my pools and I went against a Pac Man (I'm a Well known Columbus Ohio Luigi main) during the match Strangers/ his friends were being disrespectful during the match. Pushing my chair tapping me to distract me from the match and chanting with him... at one point one of them pulled out my earbuds during the match to yell "That's right trash you better lose". After this I've taken a step away from competitive due to me feeling like I'm not excepted even though I just wanna experience a game I love with others. In the end I lost the set 2~1... wish I told a TO but I felt like if I did I wouldve been called a cry Baby or something dumb, overall I have social anxiety and feel bad to tell people things for some reason (maybe being too nice). atleast I got to hang out with Elegant for the remaining time. that's my worst smash experience.
that's so disrespectful and unfair.. the smash community is too toxic, that's why we lost faith in them.. don't feel responsible for that, you had absolutely no guilt.. f**k those inhuman scumbags
@@jacobquinonez2084 his story seems pretty fake when he stated that he have society anxiety, yet proceeds to join tournaments, which is well known to easily drain non outgoing ppl. But a benefit of doubt I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
People wonder why Smash isn't taken seriously among the esports scene by more than just the fans, and while there are multiple reasons why that is I think the players themselves are a very big reason why. Many act like utter children with no concept of sportsmanship or even basic hygiene.
When I went to Evo 2019 for smash. I felt the same way about crowds or even small groups. I felt definitely not as confident because there where people going against me. I tried to block it out with headphones, but it’s still sometimes stressful.
Same here dude. My Sony headphones must’ve sucked because I had the volume and noise canceling at max and yet I could still hear the crowd that was going against me.
Honestly I think the solution would be for one high competitive player to bring a coach on and literally have them full on coach you during the game. Because "it's just the crowd el oh el" isn't banned but coaching is, a good enough player doing that could make a very good point about how big of a deal this is.
@@shellshockthelagiacrus3247 Search up "ZeRo drama" or "ZeRo allegations", a ton of people have talked about it. ZeRo's quit youtube though because of this, confirming the allegations to be true, which is why he hasn't made a video in 3 months, I dunno if he still steams though, I'd assume not
You’re awesome ZeRo, I’m always blown away when I hear people dissing you in commentary or just making snide remarks, when you’re such an overall positive presence and genuinely nice dude.
Esports can fuck off, the fgc nor the smash comunity aint About that shit, bunch of shills, we have very diferent backgrounds, what works for csgo, fucking league of Legends, overwatch or w/e dont work for us
I feel like ZeRo has turned into the grandpa of smash. Telling us stories of the olden days & shit. It's pretty cool, I be learning stories & moments I never knew but he was smack dab in the middle of it. EDIT: thanks for the likes. Check out my music on my page if you have the time, 1luv.
Wow! Hearing about your experiences with the crowd and others now I feel like competotive Smash has great issues. Very horrible issues. Players shouldnt have to deal with these problems. Things lile this should have been addressed ages ago.
Crowds can throw bottles and group chant and beat each other up but it's nothing like the problems many grass roots fighting game tournaments have. Crowds in most sports are not close enough and can't real time coach let alone massage a player.
Jacabo Blanco yes however the smash scene isn’t big enough so that the players and fans can be completely separate from each other. At a tournament with hundreds of people, or even 1000 total people, the event is small enough so that people can get up close and personally insult you and harass you and you have no locker room or physical barrier separating you from them
Jacabo Blanco I get your point that it’s natural to be booed and cheered against but zero has received legitimate death threats and people coming up to him at tournaments telling him horrible things. Again to reiterate, that there’s no wall separating professionals from the public at these tournaments like there are at large scale sports games and so it’s easier to be harassed
I just wish smash tourney's would be like COD or LOL, where those specific 'crowds' (aka disrespectful toxic scumbags) are soo far away from the stage that the players can only focus on their game.. what a shame
Hard to do that venue wise. Doing that could raise prices of the venue, raising the entry fee for getting in, and then its a slope that could potentially, and easily, basically kill a competitive scene all off the fact that competing will cost too much. It's the con of Nintendo having no idea what they are doing and Smash players having to be grassroots for their entire life.
yeah FPS and MOBA got quite a tournament , but with that much sponsorship it's to be expected of them tbh. The scale of the game too is the important factor for that , it's like compare 10-30 million player base to something like a million and we don't even know how many % of those number interested in competitive scene. LoL got like 100 million watching the championship. Biggest tournament for smash (ultimate) got like 233K viewership.
@@lidofzejar Well then it is on the organizer to do proper crowd control. What is the point of running tournaments when the crowd can actually physically fuck a player up. At that point don't run the tournament at all because the competitive integrity is already destroyed.
Tweek was right. If you’re gonna have a set that bans coaching, the rules should extend to having none of your friends on stage either. Having a friend come on stage and tell you something like, “you can do it” could be just enough for a player to be in a good mindset to win.
Moe's i reas what you said, but you don’t have to be 2 inches from the person for then to hear you. It’s basically the same thing in my opinion and even in the stream of that set, that guys girl disappeared after the match started again. You can’t have everyone play on stage, it’s unrealistic and even then audience doesn’t jump onto the stage until after you win or lose. It’s just extremely menial in most cases but I don’t agree with snitching on someone’s game plan. But being “just enough” makes it sound like we should just be quiet
XxWeed WarriorxX that’s why I didn’t say cheering should be banned. I directly said someone coming ON STAGE (which should be banned already) and giving encouraging words should be banned. The story is that Wrath’s girlfriend came on stage to rub his shoulders and tell him “you can do it”, that should be banned.
Moe's but in the video it wasn’t even on a stage, it was one of this ghetto half circles that you play in, which is one of the reasons why I agree with you, but she didn’t stay there either. So what I’m saying is that there was no way it could be avoided in that scenario other than the crowd being quiet like MVD did.
"Some controllers are better than others" Oh no wonder i'm so shit! Man y'all saying a bunch of controller stories, let me in the fun! I used to have many controllers that have either broken down or just haven't worked correctly. My brother's controller was an original, but the cable was ripping so it didn't work anymore. I also had a bootleg orange controller that for some reason stopped working, another bootleg white controller that had the worst Control Stick in history. Now i have 2 controllers, one that works, and one that is impossible to go to the right.
I agree with filing complaints midset over doing it at the end of the set, cuz would Leffen have complained about UCF not being on if he had won the first time?
I would love a day in the life of ZeRo. What your normal day looks like, what you eat lol, just whatever cause you're such an awesome and fun dude to watch
I've always loved watching your vids man. But now I love it even more after hearing what you said about giving people that have served time the legitimate chance to prove that they too can be functioning members of society. It really gives us viewers a glimpse into your personality. You the man, Zero.
I love how ZeRo's angle helps him in doing commentary like this. He has knowledge of so many sets in all five smash scenes that if he wants a specific example to prove a point, he can just look it up. It's so cool to see him using his veteran power in his videos, really makes them interesting! Keep it up man, glad you're doing well!
The tweek thing really irked me when it happened because yes, whatever, the crowd is gonna do whatever especially off stream when the set isnt priority without security etc but it was pretty ridiculous that Wrath was getting a massage at all even in between games. The players should not be being touched *at all* during a tournament set especially at an event the size of Dreamhack. The dismissive responses calling Tweek a pussy and claiming top player privilege were certainly something.
@@salj.5459 Lowkey true, it's a place where sadly too often the toxic assholes are the most loudest and come out with the stupidest of opinions lol... I feel reality is better than the image Twitter gives, but there are still a lot of shitty people out there sadly.
True some people go crying about Nintendo not giving competitive smash more money and then goes on to do shady shit like the stuff mentioned in the video
MOBA's competitive scene get support from Riot and it doesn't have any of these amateuristic problems like the Smash scene. And the reason for Nintendo not supporting is Sakurai's petty insistence that it's a party game
@@AlwaysHungryAlwaysThirsty Yeah, I know they sponsor some tournaments yes, and they also do a lot of behind the scenes stuff to help with logistics. Tbh while bigger prize pools would be great for competitors, I think active involvement in the community is the most important kind of support. That's what ultimately shapes the nature of these events. Having more money on the line doesn't prevent toxicity, nor does logistical support.
@@slimmy5843 Its really telling when we try to defend our community by saying we are not as toxic as the Lol community. Not exactly starting off with a high bar to compare there.
Theres no such thing as a smash normal community. All casuals just play with their group of friends, there's not a community. All parts of the smash community are heavily integrated or involved with the competitive scene.
@@droppedoff6726 Lol no, a lot of people play casually online, message boards, rooms on gaming sites and apps etc. There's a big casual scene for smash much bigger than the competitive scene. Look at the sales numbers then think about how many of those people ever been to an actual smash tournament
You know this, but you let us all down man... Especially when your channel was climbing so much and people looked up to you. though, I do thank you for admitting things and not justifying them. Good luck to you, Zero.
On his first tweet he was denying that he didn’t do the things he did, but after more evidence was shown he admitted on a second tweet that he sent those pics of him doing those stuff.
There seems to be a general safety/crowd interference problem. They should mandate raised stages and a large gap between the audience and the stage, with security (even if it's a couple big dudes people will think twice) and provide noise cancelling headphones as a guaranteed option (not required, but available) for competitors. They could also make the first few rows a VIP section for players that have made it into bracket and perhaps a select few who have received clearance directly from the tournament organizers. It is insane to exclude a convicted felon (or any other subjective label) from attending video game tournaments and to ban individual coaches selected by a competitor. Instead, regulate the tournament itself to prevent safety hazards and interference. That way people can compete with a guaranteed level of professionalism and safety. Furthermore, the only way a player or crowd member can be banned and/or kicked from the venue is if they violate and/or continuously violate the established rules as well as the regulations outlined above.
@@dannyflintstone7003 He Flirted with a underraged girl (online) first she said she is of legal age but after a while she confessed to him that she is underraged he apologized and said he want do that anymore after 2 days they continued texting again with a sexual touch
leffen actually plays other fighting games unlike most smash players. in most fighting games button settings are a pretty big thing so I think most of leffens complaints are pretty understandable since he actually has experience with how most fighting games work
awessio wonk I also play a lot of fighting games, I'm actually down to play anything. I don't really see what point you're trying to make though because Melee doesn't have button settings (much like older fighting games), UCF is just small fixes to make things slightly more consistent.
I appreciate you manning up and changing the thumbnail away from Leffen. Admitting you goofed is something a lot of people are too proud to do. Good shit ZeRo.
Might be unfair but it's probably best for someone like that to stay away from these things that can cause outburst or rage. I have never assaulted anyone but playing in tourneys , even with friends and losing gets you pretty frustrated and sometimes raging... Especially with these crowds getting all crazy. I think it's best for the community and himself to not get back into this toixc smash community
A distance of 5 to 10 feet between players and audience should be sufficient. Also, crowd should grow a brain: *As a crowd, you should spectate and cheer the players: Coaching or dissing the players is banned*
I remember at Super Smash Con this past Summer I played M2K in pools and before every set he would turn to the crowd and ask them to not make noise. At first I thought it was strange, almost kinda rude, considering it was me playing and then like my 3 friends watching. In my mind I was like "hey, they should be allowed to cheer for me!" But then later on in pools he had a really close set with someone else and a large crowd gathered. He had lost game 1 and game 2 he was down a bit. The crowd was really loud and obnoxious as they do, and M2K turns back after losing a stock and asks them again to be quiet. It lasted like a minute and then they got loud again. He ended up winning the set, but that whole experience really made me understand and empathize why he asks everyone to be quiet during his set. Its not for the 3 friends, its for the loud crowd being asses 2 feet behind his head
The biggest drama for me will always be that hyuga has banned for so long but a guy tried to murder someone got back into tournaments in two weeks lol. The person forgave him and he still isn't in tournaments
@@thedon6079 plus that scenario seemed sketched still. I honestly believe that it was a potential FWB 3 way until it got out of hand. No way in hell would a smart person bring in a "drunk" individual in their sleeping arrangement.
@@kush7138 Everyone wants to be a white knight and act like they are on high morals. That kind of bs annoys me, especially when people who weren't even at the event act more upset than the woman herself.
The most significant part about this is that Zero has one of the most influential voices in the whole community and the more attention he brings to stuff like this the more likely the tournaments will fix the environments
"I understand what you did is wrong and I don't agree with it but condemning you for your actions for your entire life is no way of living either" Now that's some wisdom
The controller controversy reminds me of another set you were talking about recently. Would Leffen have called for a rematch if he'd been the one to win first time around, despite knowing about the issue? It really is down to the tournament organisers for situations like that. They need to be thorough in their preparations. They're also key for avoiding situations involving the crowd. If they keep the audience in check, it should prevent rematches that leave a sour taste, like the set with Marrs.
honestly lots of smash players need to do anger management therapy, being in ur mid 20s and throwing ur controller on the ground is unacceptable and dangerous. I think a lot of people forget that throwing the controller around can lead to it breaking and the parts flying into things, this is not ok and should lead to warnings and then bans of tournaments. this level of violence and anger in the community is one of the many reasons why i dont want to go to tournaments
The thing I love about this video and the many others is the mass amount of smash bros knowledge zero has to show, like how he showed the other clips of crowds getting out of control straight away and puts in some personal experiences and issues. It just amazes me how much this man remembers and retains about his career and it's honestly beautiful and magnificent
ZeRo your videos are so so good~ Like they are amazing to watch not just for entertainment(They are very entertaining) But for learning about how the smash community works and behind the controversy, showing us the truth and the message behind all of it, it's good stuff, like really good reaction videos. On top of all that, you have a very funny personality and are professional in front of the camera. Love your vids
Great video, zero. Like always. But what I love more than anything and what makes me smile every time is you dancing at the end of every video. Love watching you!
The saddest thing about the smash community, this is mainly regarding the Marss incident, is that the crowd are far more toxic than the players themselves. Honestly, how sad is it when two players can put aside their difference and show respect towards one another. The crowd on the other hand just... again can be too toxic
Appriciate your accepting and forgiving viewpoint. It makes me so mad to hear that Shiz was banned for such a long time. Obviously crimes are bad but like you said people need to be treated with kindness. I'm surprised what happened with Ryan Ford and how he wasn't banned from the smash community or at least no controversy about that.
8:23 this reminds of when I was in a school tournament, I was Ness the other guy was Roy. Before the match the Roy player came up to me and fuck you, you stupid ness main. Then during the set every time I loss a stock, the other players would yell fuck ness you better win Roy. I know it's only a school tourney, and it's not as big as a deal as a real tournament, but still I know what zero is talking about and what mars is feeling.
Oh yeah he was even worse a few years ago. Always talking shit and degrading people on Smashboards, culminating in the infamous evidence.zip file of all the scummy shit he said.
When you go to a melee tournament and almost beat M2K, but then he does "Mewtwo KIng" things. Also great job as always Zero and you are a great person to be able to show forgiveness.
As someone who finished university in a field related to crime, law, and justice, I appreciate you for having the open-mindedness to recognize the point of a justice system and rehabilitation techniques. Your stance on the DaShizWiz incident is well thought out.
I’m a professional, fire spinner and a master barista (16 years) whenever anyone yells out my name while I’m spinning, it totally screws up my concentration… and one time in latte art competition, I put my drink on the table, the crowd went wild and I had a jump scare reaction that caused me to spill the latte… So yeah, cheering isn’t always a positive thing.
I'd love to know why they let some guy named Yipes trash talk M2k in Winners Finals at Apex 2013 for the entire set. Was there beef between M2K and the guy?
Yipes is a famous MvC2 player and now he did commentary for SFIV and MvC3 and now does commentary for SFV, MvCI, DBFZ and other games. What exactly happened between them?
I have to agree with the part of the video of marss vs wishes, crowd members can really play a big part in matches, by chanting or rooting for one player in a 1v1 can really affect the other player which does make them play horrible because they loose focus, really hoping future players including myself won't have to deal with this because it's honestly a poor example of how the community can act at tourneys
I dont know...I kind of like it when people doubt me and aren't on my side during a match. It feels good for me to win just to prove people wrong about me not being able to do it. It makes me feel good :)
I generally feel the same, but if I place myself in the situations of Zero and also a dominant example, HBOX, I can see why it can become overwhelming and depressing. I think the biggest factor isn't that people say or believe you're shit, but the fact that they don't want you to win really bitters the sweet taste of victory, especially over longer periods of time.
I think it helps to have a sense of humor or be crazy, so there are not-insignificant cliques that want you to win. Like say, Sonicfox from NRS community. SF is so dominant yet there's people who still want SF to win because of craziness and antics. Plus being a furry means at least THEY'RE on that corner...
I just want to have fun. The key to remember is that everywhere you go. there will be assholes and haters cheering against you and everything you stand for. I just turn their ignorance into humor. that's all.
8:44 First tournament I was in was Ridley(me) vs. Captain Falcon. A wee bit hard to focus when the only thing the crowd is yelling is "Falcon punch him!" "Knee of Justice!" I ended up winning(Skewer ftw) and the guy was really chill, but it wasn't easy when you knew nobody in the audience was hoping you'd win
People who think they can touch anyone they want because “hYpE” are the worst kind of people. It’s harassment I hated that group of guys who just crowded around that player because he won, you can even tell how uncomfortable Zero was. He was just getting jostled around because a bunch of children can’t control themselves
If you ask me, the TO's fucked up on the first one. If you only find out until after the players already left the stage, that's it. There's nothing you can do about it, you can't just force the players to come back on stage, the ruling will have to stand. Because what happens when you need to replay the match, and the player has already left the venue?
The climb to 1 mil is real. Still ze best, always been a fan and always will be!! Hope i can meet you in person one of these days! Keep up the grind ma man.
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How many times has he changed the thumbnail
I hope he does
He’s so close man, just a few thousand more to go!
he did it
Thank you for your perspective about people with a criminal record, Zero. I actually teared up a bit hearing your openness and honesty about giving people with a criminal history a chance to reintegrate into society after serving their time.
I, myself, have a criminal history. I'm not proud of it, I know people hate me for it, and I'm fully aware people don't want me around out of discomfort. But like DaShizWiz, we recognize our faults and pay our debts to society. Why don't we deserve a chance to prove we can be productive and "normal" members of society? Like you said, if all we get is condemnation and rejection at every turn, what option is left for us but to return to that self-destructive pattern that lead us to offend in the first place? We don't want to be given special treatment, just a chance to be like everyone else.
So thanks Zero. That is really refreshing and heartwarming to hear that kind of compassion and understanding from you. I, and I'm sure Shiz, really appreciate it.
don't care
Straight fax
Why should the people around you be inclined to believe that you've changed? You have to prove that you're trustworthy again, which may take a very long time, so be patient.
@@soothingseas Because, as Zero also said, we've paid our debt to society. We served the time, our punishment is over, according to rule of law. And by the court's ruling, we are given that opportunity to return to society as we lived before offending. If we were deemed ill fitting to return to society, we would be held in jail for longer, depending on the severity of the crime.
Criminals already have to live with the personal guilt and public shame of committing a crime, as well as whatever life changing conditions and restrictions given by the justice system. That is our burden to bare, not yours. The least you can do is not give us more hardship by telling us we aren't wanted because of something we did in the past. Especially if we don't show any indication of repeating the offense. Are we not deserving of a second chance? Are we not worthy of the opportunity to prove we are not more a threat than any other random stranger you encounter on a day to day basis? Unless you were directly affected by our crime, you have no right to demand more from us just to make you feel comfortable.
I know you don't want to hear that, but you aren't owed anything from someone with a criminal past if they have served their time. It's not your place to expect us to be punished further for your sake. I know it's easy to demonize us for what we did, but that doesn't mean you are higher on the social totem pole and get to make the rules we have to adhere to. Just something to think about when you tell those with a criminal history they have to go the extra mile to earn your "trust."
its hard for people with any type of criminal history
I guess this is what the kids call a "bruh" moment
Definitely a bruh moment
F in the chat
At least he’s back now
The whole controversy around zero was full of over exaggeration and lies the less said about it the better
What makes you say that...
“It’s been a while since we have talked about controversy in the smash community on this channel”
1 week ago “top controversial moments in smash”
WireDire if you know the smash scene you know thats a decent time LUL
In the words of Darth Sidious,
"Ironic"
Ironic*
Nice
Big oopsie as the young people would say
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When the players themselves have to get up and yell at the crowd, thats a clear sign that smth is wrong with the TOing
Can you type regular 😩
@@dariuscross2946 He is? Can you stop using emojis and type "regular"?
@@notalex8003 bruh what is smth and TOing?
@@dariuscross2946 Something and Tournament Organizing, either use common sense or Google shit, it's not that hard.
Darius Cross TOing is doing the job of a TO(tournament organizer)
"ironic"- chancellor palpatine
Worst experience I've had is at Smash n Splash 2019, I was playing in my pools and I went against a Pac Man (I'm a Well known Columbus Ohio Luigi main) during the match Strangers/ his friends were being disrespectful during the match. Pushing my chair tapping me to distract me from the match and chanting with him... at one point one of them pulled out my earbuds during the match to yell "That's right trash you better lose". After this I've taken a step away from competitive due to me feeling like I'm not excepted even though I just wanna experience a game I love with others. In the end I lost the set 2~1... wish I told a TO but I felt like if I did I wouldve been called a cry Baby or something dumb, overall I have social anxiety and feel bad to tell people things for some reason (maybe being too nice). atleast I got to hang out with Elegant for the remaining time. that's my worst smash experience.
Wow that fucking sucks. Definitely should not let yourself get bullied like that and tell TO's and post about it on Twitter
that's so disrespectful and unfair.. the smash community is too toxic, that's why we lost faith in them.. don't feel responsible for that, you had absolutely no guilt.. f**k those inhuman scumbags
Yup bet that happened 😌
@@jacobquinonez2084 his story seems pretty fake when he stated that he have society anxiety, yet proceeds to join tournaments, which is well known to easily drain non outgoing ppl.
But a benefit of doubt I guess.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Jacob Quinonez Man you guys are really gonna act like dickheads huh?
Smash bro’s has one of the most toxic community ever, And you all know it.
Too many Neckbeards and guys that are like "Latinos washed , America greatest ..."
As a fire emblem fan i know how toxic they are...
People wonder why Smash isn't taken seriously among the esports scene by more than just the fans, and while there are multiple reasons why that is I think the players themselves are a very big reason why. Many act like utter children with no concept of sportsmanship or even basic hygiene.
nah all communities that are as large as this one are toxic.
Ever played league of legends? Lmao
When I went to Evo 2019 for smash. I felt the same way about crowds or even small groups. I felt definitely not as confident because there where people going against me. I tried to block it out with headphones, but it’s still sometimes stressful.
Same here dude. My Sony headphones must’ve sucked because I had the volume and noise canceling at max and yet I could still hear the crowd that was going against me.
People are shit like that
Honestly I think the solution would be for one high competitive player to bring a coach on and literally have them full on coach you during the game. Because "it's just the crowd el oh el" isn't banned but coaching is, a good enough player doing that could make a very good point about how big of a deal this is.
When i hear him say "there hasn't been much drama and controversy" i wish i could have just warned him like "be prepared SHITS ABOUT TO GO DOWN"
I'm not to caught up in the smash community what was the drama that happened?
@@shellshockthelagiacrus3247 Search up "ZeRo drama" or "ZeRo allegations", a ton of people have talked about it. ZeRo's quit youtube though because of this, confirming the allegations to be true, which is why he hasn't made a video in 3 months, I dunno if he still steams though, I'd assume not
This video proves zero is no hipocrit! listening to him talk about FORGIVENESS realy helped me realise the depth of zero's current situation
You are so based
watch @Technicals videos on all the subjects
Zero: why isnt the esports community suppoted by nintendo?
Smash community:
*comment intensifies*
You’re awesome ZeRo, I’m always blown away when I hear people dissing you in commentary or just making snide remarks, when you’re such an overall positive presence and genuinely nice dude.
I feel like smash doesn’t have the funding to reach then next level of esports gaming and respect
Yeah because Nintendo doesn't support it. I understand why, but it's still frustrating
I can’t blame Nintendo for not going all in on support when stuff like this happens...
Yes but Nintendo has a reputation they want to uphold, even if they have gotten a bit more lax on it with the switch
Funding has nothing to do with spectators at events not being shit bags.
Esports can fuck off, the fgc nor the smash comunity aint About that shit, bunch of shills, we have very diferent backgrounds, what works for csgo, fucking league of Legends, overwatch or w/e dont work for us
Wow, the biggest drama has just started
What is it
@@Somebody-ix3cm I think he means that ZeRo isn't uploading. Maybe
@@Somebody-ix3cm ZeRo being outed as a predator
Oof
@@SumnerHenry oof
I feel like ZeRo has turned into the grandpa of smash. Telling us stories of the olden days & shit. It's pretty cool, I be learning stories & moments I never knew but he was smack dab in the middle of it.
EDIT: thanks for the likes. Check out my music on my page if you have the time, 1luv.
Very true
Very true indeed
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You ruined a good comment with your self-advertising
Zero: There hasn't been anything too crazy recently for me and my channel
Ally and CaptainZack: Am I a joke to you?
yikes
Samuel Treminiø Valle this aged terribly
Jesuschrist
Zero: no resent controversy
Litterly almost top level play: allow use to introduce our self
Wow! Hearing about your experiences with the crowd and others now I feel like competotive Smash has great issues. Very horrible issues. Players shouldnt have to deal with these problems. Things lile this should have been addressed ages ago.
Why? It's how sports are and always have been.
Football? Crowds cheer and boo. Soccer? Same. Boxing? Same. MMA? Same.
This is why i big up Foreign scenes so much. Especially Japan.
Crowds can throw bottles and group chant and beat each other up but it's nothing like the problems many grass roots fighting game tournaments have. Crowds in most sports are not close enough and can't real time coach let alone massage a player.
Jacabo Blanco yes however the smash scene isn’t big enough so that the players and fans can be completely separate from each other. At a tournament with hundreds of people, or even 1000 total people, the event is small enough so that people can get up close and personally insult you and harass you and you have no locker room or physical barrier separating you from them
Jacabo Blanco I get your point that it’s natural to be booed and cheered against but zero has received legitimate death threats and people coming up to him at tournaments telling him horrible things. Again to reiterate, that there’s no wall separating professionals from the public at these tournaments like there are at large scale sports games and so it’s easier to be harassed
I just wish smash tourney's would be like COD or LOL, where those specific 'crowds' (aka disrespectful toxic scumbags) are soo far away from the stage that the players can only focus on their game.. what a shame
Hard to do that venue wise. Doing that could raise prices of the venue, raising the entry fee for getting in, and then its a slope that could potentially, and easily, basically kill a competitive scene all off the fact that competing will cost too much.
It's the con of Nintendo having no idea what they are doing and Smash players having to be grassroots for their entire life.
yeah FPS and MOBA got quite a tournament , but with that much sponsorship it's to be expected of them tbh.
The scale of the game too is the important factor for that , it's like compare 10-30 million player base to something like a million
and we don't even know how many % of those number interested in competitive scene.
LoL got like 100 million watching the championship. Biggest tournament for smash (ultimate) got like 233K viewership.
Yeah but smash tournaments just aren't big enough or have the budget to afford a arena big enough.
LoL has sound proof booths
@@lidofzejar Well then it is on the organizer to do proper crowd control. What is the point of running tournaments when the crowd can actually physically fuck a player up. At that point don't run the tournament at all because the competitive integrity is already destroyed.
The next Smash Ultimate patch:
- Crowds have been nerfed
The wifi still not buffed
And pickachu is still cancerous
@@milesandrews6711 And Smash is still intoxicated.
Tweek was right. If you’re gonna have a set that bans coaching, the rules should extend to having none of your friends on stage either. Having a friend come on stage and tell you something like, “you can do it” could be just enough for a player to be in a good mindset to win.
Moe's so you can’t have fans? I agree with how you can’t be physically next to them, but no cheering? Nah
XxWeed WarriorxX you’re writing that comment because you can’t read what I said
Moe's i reas what you said, but you don’t have to be 2 inches from the person for then to hear you. It’s basically the same thing in my opinion and even in the stream of that set, that guys girl disappeared after the match started again. You can’t have everyone play on stage, it’s unrealistic and even then audience doesn’t jump onto the stage until after you win or lose. It’s just extremely menial in most cases but I don’t agree with snitching on someone’s game plan. But being “just enough” makes it sound like we should just be quiet
XxWeed WarriorxX that’s why I didn’t say cheering should be banned. I directly said someone coming ON STAGE (which should be banned already) and giving encouraging words should be banned. The story is that Wrath’s girlfriend came on stage to rub his shoulders and tell him “you can do it”, that should be banned.
Moe's but in the video it wasn’t even on a stage, it was one of this ghetto half circles that you play in, which is one of the reasons why I agree with you, but she didn’t stay there either. So what I’m saying is that there was no way it could be avoided in that scenario other than the crowd being quiet like MVD did.
"Some controllers are better than others"
Oh no wonder i'm so shit!
Man y'all saying a bunch of controller stories, let me in the fun! I used to have many controllers that have either broken down or just haven't worked correctly. My brother's controller was an original, but the cable was ripping so it didn't work anymore. I also had a bootleg orange controller that for some reason stopped working, another bootleg white controller that had the worst Control Stick in history. Now i have 2 controllers, one that works, and one that is impossible to go to the right.
Aron108 Why an I forced to put a last name?
Sure... that's the reason
No johns.
Finally a valid john!
Genesis Osuna OUR BATTLE WILL BE LEGENDARY
sorry to break it to you but it might be your gameplay. the controller matters in high level technical gameplay like melee.
I agree with filing complaints midset over doing it at the end of the set, cuz would Leffen have complained about UCF not being on if he had won the first time?
We'll never know if he was aware UCF wasn't on mideset
Then probably the other guy would've
This argument makes no sense because the other player would have complained
@@zachkeller7344 yup
Zach Keller Wasn’t really an argument😅
I would love a day in the life of ZeRo. What your normal day looks like, what you eat lol, just whatever cause you're such an awesome and fun dude to watch
Lol
Lol
Lol
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Trust me you don’t, especially now
The whole crowd issue makes me terrified of ever getting into competitive Smash now.
It's a bunch of sweaty nerds. The community is horrible
I've always loved watching your vids man. But now I love it even more after hearing what you said about giving people that have served time the legitimate chance to prove that they too can be functioning members of society. It really gives us viewers a glimpse into your personality. You the man, Zero.
I love how ZeRo's angle helps him in doing commentary like this. He has knowledge of so many sets in all five smash scenes that if he wants a specific example to prove a point, he can just look it up. It's so cool to see him using his veteran power in his videos, really makes them interesting! Keep it up man, glad you're doing well!
The tweek thing really irked me when it happened because yes, whatever, the crowd is gonna do whatever especially off stream when the set isnt priority without security etc but it was pretty ridiculous that Wrath was getting a massage at all even in between games. The players should not be being touched *at all* during a tournament set especially at an event the size of Dreamhack. The dismissive responses calling Tweek a pussy and claiming top player privilege were certainly something.
Twitter diminishes my faith in humanity
@@salj.5459 Lowkey true, it's a place where sadly too often the toxic assholes are the most loudest and come out with the stupidest of opinions lol...
I feel reality is better than the image Twitter gives, but there are still a lot of shitty people out there sadly.
thumbnail makes it look like leffen’s a criminal lmao
I mean, he is? 🤨🤣
Trash clickbait lmao
Disliked for it
Bonaby he deserved to get called out. Zeros lucky Leffen is a nice guy to him. That thumbnail is potentially libelous.
@@Bonaby Nah, whoever made the thumbnail deserves a good bit of hate. It's common sense not to do dumb shit like that.
plenty of controversy going on in smash right now
and then players wonder what the real reason Nintendo doesn’t sponsor a tournament 🤔
True, but I wonder how the community would have developed if the developer and/or publisher had been more involved from the start.
True some people go crying about Nintendo not giving competitive smash more money and then goes on to do shady shit like the stuff mentioned in the video
MOBA's competitive scene get support from Riot and it doesn't have any of these amateuristic problems like the Smash scene. And the reason for Nintendo not supporting is Sakurai's petty insistence that it's a party game
They sponsored a tournament for brawl on release.
@@AlwaysHungryAlwaysThirsty Yeah, I know they sponsor some tournaments yes, and they also do a lot of behind the scenes stuff to help with logistics. Tbh while bigger prize pools would be great for competitors, I think active involvement in the community is the most important kind of support. That's what ultimately shapes the nature of these events. Having more money on the line doesn't prevent toxicity, nor does logistical support.
This aged poorly.
How so?
Not being sarcastic or confrontational, I really don’t know, I live under a rock 😅
This is peanuts compared to right now.
Drama? No, lore.
Smash competitive community: Worst gaming community
Smash Normal Community: Supportive and funny
Fortnite, LoL, Call of Duty communities are more toxic than the Smash community.
@@slimmy5843 Its really telling when we try to defend our community by saying we are not as toxic as the Lol community. Not exactly starting off with a high bar to compare there.
Cody Bijeaux I don’t think the community is that bad tbh tournaments should keep the players further away from the crowd
Theres no such thing as a smash normal community. All casuals just play with their group of friends, there's not a community. All parts of the smash community are heavily integrated or involved with the competitive scene.
@@droppedoff6726 Lol no, a lot of people play casually online, message boards, rooms on gaming sites and apps etc. There's a big casual scene for smash much bigger than the competitive scene. Look at the sales numbers then think about how many of those people ever been to an actual smash tournament
I love this kind of smash history content that you’re making (-:
Just started watching recently, and damn does he put some bangers in the background lol
Pizza mozzarella
You know this, but you let us all down man... Especially when your channel was climbing so much and people looked up to you. though, I do thank you for admitting things and not justifying them. Good luck to you, Zero.
Yeah ZeRo was one of my favourite smash youtubers
On his first tweet he was denying that he didn’t do the things he did, but after more evidence was shown he admitted on a second tweet that he sent those pics of him doing those stuff.
Welllllll
lmao what
@@KingKRool-zs3vq it's a different story now
There seems to be a general safety/crowd interference problem. They should mandate raised stages and a large gap between the audience and the stage, with security (even if it's a couple big dudes people will think twice) and provide noise cancelling headphones as a guaranteed option (not required, but available) for competitors. They could also make the first few rows a VIP section for players that have made it into bracket and perhaps a select few who have received clearance directly from the tournament organizers. It is insane to exclude a convicted felon (or any other subjective label) from attending video game tournaments and to ban individual coaches selected by a competitor. Instead, regulate the tournament itself to prevent safety hazards and interference. That way people can compete with a guaranteed level of professionalism and safety. Furthermore, the only way a player or crowd member can be banned and/or kicked from the venue is if they violate and/or continuously violate the established rules as well as the regulations outlined above.
sad he was in the biggest controversy of all dang it zero why did you have to do that
What did he do? I have no idea what people are talking about
@@dannyflintstone7003 He Flirted with a underraged girl (online) first she said she is of legal age but after a while she confessed to him that she is underraged he apologized and said he want do that anymore after 2 days they continued texting again with a sexual touch
@@simplotaku2247 oof
Ironic
Putting a portrait of Leffen on the Shizwiz article for the clickbait lmaoooo
Leffen is just...prolifically petty.
Many players don’t complain if there is even a remote issue.
Leffen literally complains about a remote issue.
He's a whiny dickhead with annoying fans
@@salj.5459 it's funny your whining on someone you hate for whining. Also everyone has annoying fans, your just salty lol.
@@justaaron9057 facts. If they got kicked out of a tournament for bullshit I'd replay it too. Fuck that
leffen actually plays other fighting games unlike most smash players. in most fighting games button settings are a pretty big thing so I think most of leffens complaints are pretty understandable since he actually has experience with how most fighting games work
awessio wonk I also play a lot of fighting games, I'm actually down to play anything. I don't really see what point you're trying to make though because Melee doesn't have button settings (much like older fighting games), UCF is just small fixes to make things slightly more consistent.
I appreciate you manning up and changing the thumbnail away from Leffen. Admitting you goofed is something a lot of people are too proud to do. Good shit ZeRo.
Damn the title is still relevant
It was really unfair how they treated shiz imo
Do you know what crime he committed?
Slate dotesports.com/general/news/dashizwiz-arrested-assault-2900
Might be unfair but it's probably best for someone like that to stay away from these things that can cause outburst or rage.
I have never assaulted anyone but playing in tourneys , even with friends and losing gets you pretty frustrated and sometimes raging... Especially with these crowds getting all crazy.
I think it's best for the community and himself to not get back into this toixc smash community
The TO’s need to be as strict as tennis officials IMO
so the TO's need to be as strict as the TO's
A distance of 5 to 10 feet between players and audience should be sufficient.
Also, crowd should grow a brain: *As a crowd, you should spectate and cheer the players: Coaching or dissing the players is banned*
I remember at Super Smash Con this past Summer I played M2K in pools and before every set he would turn to the crowd and ask them to not make noise. At first I thought it was strange, almost kinda rude, considering it was me playing and then like my 3 friends watching. In my mind I was like "hey, they should be allowed to cheer for me!" But then later on in pools he had a really close set with someone else and a large crowd gathered. He had lost game 1 and game 2 he was down a bit. The crowd was really loud and obnoxious as they do, and M2K turns back after losing a stock and asks them again to be quiet. It lasted like a minute and then they got loud again. He ended up winning the set, but that whole experience really made me understand and empathize why he asks everyone to be quiet during his set. Its not for the 3 friends, its for the loud crowd being asses 2 feet behind his head
The biggest drama for me will always be that hyuga has banned for so long but a guy tried to murder someone got back into tournaments in two weeks lol. The person forgave him and he still isn't in tournaments
I'm not sure if Hyuga should be unbanned, but DaShizWiz and Ryan Ford should definitely be permabanned as well.
@@salj.5459 Hyuga should def be unbanned, he apologized multiple times and the person even forgave him. I also think it happened cuz he was drunk.
@@thedon6079 plus that scenario seemed sketched still.
I honestly believe that it was a potential FWB 3 way until it got out of hand.
No way in hell would a smart person bring in a "drunk" individual in their sleeping arrangement.
@@kush7138 Everyone wants to be a white knight and act like they are on high morals. That kind of bs annoys me, especially when people who weren't even at the event act more upset than the woman herself.
Ahaan Exactly, it’s insane
Ayyyyye I hear that resident evil save room music in the background😂
Trueee
Go look up aquatic ambiance by funk fiction. I believe this is a cover of the game music
B.Fi_Beats it’s the RE1 Remake Save Room music.
Danny Soto right?
@@biofreak96 I'm saying funk fiction did a cover of the save music
The most significant part about this is that Zero has one of the most influential voices in the whole community and the more attention he brings to stuff like this the more likely the tournaments will fix the environments
That Donkey Kong Country track always relaxes me haha
What have we learned? Nothing.
The community still doesnt know how to handle drama or wrongdoing and never will.
The allegations headed your way is the most controversial smash moment.
"I understand what you did is wrong and I don't agree with it but condemning you for your actions for your entire life is no way of living either" Now that's some wisdom
I just clicked anticipating Zero saying “Controversies” funny
The controller controversy reminds me of another set you were talking about recently. Would Leffen have called for a rematch if he'd been the one to win first time around, despite knowing about the issue? It really is down to the tournament organisers for situations like that. They need to be thorough in their preparations. They're also key for avoiding situations involving the crowd. If they keep the audience in check, it should prevent rematches that leave a sour taste, like the set with Marrs.
honestly lots of smash players need to do anger management therapy, being in ur mid 20s and throwing ur controller on the ground is unacceptable and dangerous. I think a lot of people forget that throwing the controller around can lead to it breaking and the parts flying into things, this is not ok and should lead to warnings and then bans of tournaments. this level of violence and anger in the community is one of the many reasons why i dont want to go to tournaments
Lmao grow tf up
Dragon Zord ¿
@@higglybiggly1174 (said the guy watching a video on kids game characters slapping each other)
The thing I love about this video and the many others is the mass amount of smash bros knowledge zero has to show, like how he showed the other clips of crowds getting out of control straight away and puts in some personal experiences and issues. It just amazes me how much this man remembers and retains about his career and it's honestly beautiful and magnificent
Oh god dang it the irony
I like how ZeRo’s coach to him was like a baseball coach coming to the mound to calm down his pitcher haha
ZERO thank u for being a part of my morning routine i look forward to these vids at the same time every day
These new kinds of videos are really amazing and down to earth, great job
The outro gets me every time 😂
ZeRo your videos are so so good~ Like they are amazing to watch not just for entertainment(They are very entertaining) But for learning about how the smash community works and behind the controversy, showing us the truth and the message behind all of it, it's good stuff, like really good reaction videos. On top of all that, you have a very funny personality and are professional in front of the camera. Love your vids
"There hasn't been anything too crazy very recently"
(Redacted)
not crazy
Gorilla Mackz not crazy, just stupid and weird.
Banjo & Kazooie i am out of the loop if there any new “drama”
Haven't heard about this what is it about if anyone would mind telling :)
@54 F OHHH You mean Al....ehando? Alehando right?
Good on Mars, man. People shouldn't put up with it. Make yourself heard and make a statement instead of letting people do that shit.
This Didn't Age Well
Great video, zero. Like always. But what I love more than anything and what makes me smile every time is you dancing at the end of every video. Love watching you!
12:25
“They can knock people up”
I KNEW I wasn't crazy hearing that!
Lol
The saddest thing about the smash community, this is mainly regarding the Marss incident, is that the crowd are far more toxic than the players themselves. Honestly, how sad is it when two players can put aside their difference and show respect towards one another. The crowd on the other hand just... again can be too toxic
Aged not pretty well!
What a hypocrite he is
Appriciate your accepting and forgiving viewpoint. It makes me so mad to hear that Shiz was banned for such a long time. Obviously crimes are bad but like you said people need to be treated with kindness. I'm surprised what happened with Ryan Ford and how he wasn't banned from the smash community or at least no controversy about that.
I agree that crowd actually can tremendously affect the players
0:04 Famous last words, and they were some of his last words before the biggest controversy the smash community has ever seen
This video itself caused drama 🤣 the irony
why? what happened?
@@tannerjmewborn7470 oh now I remember THAT thumbmail
Starting off the video with Aquatic Ambience is a nice move Zero
The irony
8:23 this reminds of when I was in a school tournament, I was Ness the other guy was Roy. Before the match the Roy player came up to me and fuck you, you stupid ness main. Then during the set every time I loss a stock, the other players would yell fuck ness you better win Roy. I know it's only a school tourney, and it's not as big as a deal as a real tournament, but still I know what zero is talking about and what mars is feeling.
We knew that leffen was always a troublemaker but this is something completely new to me tbh
Oh yeah he was even worse a few years ago. Always talking shit and degrading people on Smashboards, culminating in the infamous evidence.zip file of all the scummy shit he said.
Nice video, really liked the insights exposed about the crowd and the lack of organization of tournaments.
I feel like Zero should be the rule master. The matches should get his approval if they want to be legitimate. All hail Lord Zero!
i as a stoner really love your videos lately, the music is like fucking perfect and the topics are really funny or deep, keep it up man
The donkey Kong music In the background ... 😪 so nostalgic and soothing 😥
Yes. Aquatic Ambience is one of and such a beautiful/relaxing piece of music in the Donkey Kong Country series.
When you go to a melee tournament and almost beat M2K, but then he does "Mewtwo KIng" things.
Also great job as always Zero and you are a great person to be able to show forgiveness.
Hope zero does more gameplays soon 😭 I miss the undercover joining arena thing
He made one 2 days ago wym
@@johntenconnary144 yeah one but that's the only one since like a month
kakarot loves games what so you’re gonna be the guy who complains because he wants to make different content?
@@johntenconnary144 Dont be sensitive I'm just stating my opinion bro...
As someone who finished university in a field related to crime, law, and justice, I appreciate you for having the open-mindedness to recognize the point of a justice system and rehabilitation techniques.
Your stance on the DaShizWiz incident is well thought out.
imo, in any competitive game, results are final regardless of issues. The only exception being one competitor knowingly cheating to win a match.
Don't have incompetent hosts then
I’m a professional, fire spinner and a master barista (16 years) whenever anyone yells out my name while I’m spinning, it totally screws up my concentration… and one time in latte art competition, I put my drink on the table, the crowd went wild and I had a jump scare reaction that caused me to spill the latte…
So yeah, cheering isn’t always a positive thing.
I'd love to know why they let some guy named Yipes trash talk M2k in Winners Finals at Apex 2013 for the entire set. Was there beef between M2K and the guy?
Yipes is a famous MvC2 player and now he did commentary for SFIV and MvC3 and now does commentary for SFV, MvCI, DBFZ and other games. What exactly happened between them?
I have to agree with the part of the video of marss vs wishes, crowd members can really play a big part in matches, by chanting or rooting for one player in a 1v1 can really affect the other player which does make them play horrible because they loose focus, really hoping future players including myself won't have to deal with this because it's honestly a poor example of how the community can act at tourneys
I dont know...I kind of like it when people doubt me and aren't on my side during a match. It feels good for me to win just to prove people wrong about me not being able to do it. It makes me feel good :)
And that is part of competition. In every sport in the world.
That guy is a turd for that.
I generally feel the same, but if I place myself in the situations of Zero and also a dominant example, HBOX, I can see why it can become overwhelming and depressing. I think the biggest factor isn't that people say or believe you're shit, but the fact that they don't want you to win really bitters the sweet taste of victory, especially over longer periods of time.
I think it helps to have a sense of humor or be crazy, so there are not-insignificant cliques that want you to win.
Like say, Sonicfox from NRS community. SF is so dominant yet there's people who still want SF to win because of craziness and antics. Plus being a furry means at least THEY'RE on that corner...
I just want to have fun. The key to remember is that everywhere you go. there will be assholes and haters cheering against you and everything you stand for. I just turn their ignorance into humor. that's all.
That's the thing tho, yea it feels good to win but it's horrible to play during and just as bad losing
Today, I learned that not even Melee is good enough for Melee players.
Glad ZeRo changed the thumbnail
Really loving these types of videos , keep up the good work Gonzalo! Cheers from Portugal
Love the original thumbnail for this video caused a controversy LOLOLOL!
8:44
First tournament I was in was Ridley(me) vs. Captain Falcon.
A wee bit hard to focus when the only thing the crowd is yelling is "Falcon punch him!" "Knee of Justice!"
I ended up winning(Skewer ftw) and the guy was really chill, but it wasn't easy when you knew nobody in the audience was hoping you'd win
People who think they can touch anyone they want because “hYpE” are the worst kind of people. It’s harassment
I hated that group of guys who just crowded around that player because he won, you can even tell how uncomfortable Zero was. He was just getting jostled around because a bunch of children can’t control themselves
If you ask me, the TO's fucked up on the first one. If you only find out until after the players already left the stage, that's it. There's nothing you can do about it, you can't just force the players to come back on stage, the ruling will have to stand. Because what happens when you need to replay the match, and the player has already left the venue?