13.06 "in time experience begins to lose its capacity to veil consciousness and there, there is less an less distinction between meditation and experience." So well said!
Wow, great question, great answer. Rupert is a real Master to put so easy and simple something that has been so complex to explain before for so many spiritual teachers.
I'm so thankful for this question and this answer. This is something I've been working out in my own personal way. Very nice to get Rupert's perspective on the matter. Also, lovely questioner.
Gosh! The best explanation i've heard. I really don't want to mention others that just attempt to answer this but end up confuing one more. Everyone of them talks from an expert position and forget that everything happens in stages. I'm so glad that he mentioned and stressed the gradual process of it with the "kiss from God" analogy. That is succint. It takes a gradual process. In short, entering the stage without the gradual process means a whole lot of learning about how it comes to be is skipped which isn't good for the individual. Thank you for this excellent explanation.
Withdrawing attention from objects, only awareness remains and that is our true nature. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, clear and helpful as ever!
When Consciousness is all there is, I (as consciousness) "see" no "objects"; therefore, there is no need for either attention or stretching. Of course, this needs a clear cognition as a FACT that "I" am the source and "stuff" of Body/Mind/Objects and yet "I" remain untouched by the appearance or disappearance of them.
I experienced exactly what You said, that „kiss of god” on LSD three times. First time I had blissful experience and realized for the first time in my life that I was something more than just what I can see. But then I lost it and my practice came. Two times more I experienced very deep LSD trip where I went basically mad because I was in eternity of duality and it felt like there is no peace and eternal stillness. It felt like there is only movement and maddnes forever and ever. But after that phase of trip something new and ultimately freeing emerged and I got a glimpse of real freedom beyond any concept of freedom, beyond duality. But then I lost it again and went from total freedom to total Ego and it was so painful. Today I can say with confidence that it is so good and joyful to be myself and it is so easy and I know I found that state that I experienced on LSD. Peace beyond any concept, any division. Love and light everyone ❤️❤️❤️
Culadasa put it this way in his book. The mind is made of systems and subsystems that work together or are competing. The winners enter the conscience. And being aware is one part of the mind looking at one another. In other words The mind is awareness and awareness is the mind. They are the same. Attention is one part of the mind that won the grasping competition for a certain time. The mind or the planets are the same, they attract or push away stuff. Duality is their job.
In the 8 limbs of yoga codified by Pantanjali, prior to Samadhi is Dharana and Dhyana. The latter two are forms of intense concentration. Dhyana being the most intense. Rupert seems to be saying that his method does not require attention and concentration. Maybe similar to Ramana Maharishi's method of self-inquiry. However, I believe Rupert also practiced forms of concentration such as mantra and prayers for a time. Did those practices lead him to enlightenment or Samadhi? Or did he find them to have little value and tried a new course? I believe that most of us on the path follow the road of attention and concentration which somehow leads to meditation or one realizes its futility and just lets go. Maybe all practices are futile except they do give one some solace that he/she are on a path at least. Concentration does release one from the habitual habits of the mind. A sort of step-by-step dismantling. Quite possibly when most of the mind's disassembly is accomplished, one can see glimpses of light and one can slip out from one of the cracks. Rupert Spira seems like such a wonderful and patient honest compassionate soul. Nice to have his help. Thank you.
In order to be aware of one's consciousness, you have to presume consciousness as an object. Thus what is it that is aware of consciousness? Isn't being aware of being aware implying that something is aware of awareness - what is that which is aware of awareness?
Thanks for fantastic video, it explains alot. But one thing i struggle with in my practice is when i let go of attention and just relax "as the watcher", for a short while im in this state of consiousness. But pretty fast other thoughts arrive and i get confused how to get back to this "watcher" feeling? Should i use fokused attention and then try to relax until thoughts arrie again, and after a while i can be in this "watcher" feeling longer? Or is it more to try just to relax all the time, or something ele? I have been meditating focused on breath for 3 years, so i guess i will need to try to learn some new habits, but confused how to do it? best regards
@shashabooee Thanks for taking the time to answer. If i understand you right, its more like dont strive for nothing or emptiness, the thoughts that arise, they arise, just let them do that, but try not to get the thoughts to stick or pay attention to them? I f this is correct, may i ask how you do this ? meaning, if i would like to get rid of my attention on whatever, lets say what food to eat, i would usually replace the food thought whith something else, like thinking on love, friends or whatever. But whith this i have only replaced the food thought with another thought. If you have any advise on "how to let go of the thought that suddenly have gotten my attention" i would greatly appreciate it? Best regards
@shashabooee Great thanks for the help this sentence feels incredibly helpful "Rather, abandon the attempt to let go of anything and namelessly observe to movement of what is" i will for sure make use of it. best regards and big love to you
I’m curious, what definition of consciousness is being used? I’m writing a paper on this (or taking a break from it actually), and the first problem in this video which I can’t get past is that consciousness isn’t defined. The definition my paper is bound by is essentially that consciousness is awareness; the subjective and reportable experience of sensations/perceptions (to give a simple description). With the definition just described, there is evidence that attention can exist without consciousness, and vice versa.
consciousness , as you rightly mentioned is just what one is conscious of. Perceptions including mental forms. For me the key differentiator is that consciousness has qualia - a felt quality to it (Including thoughts - you know the difference between the thought of a cow and thought of a mountain). However attention does not have a qualia. It cannot be grasped. A simple exercise would be to move the attention from this computer screen to the sensation on your feet - and then try to find how did that attention move - can it be grasped as a form ? And how can attention exist without consciousness - that only time you are without consciousness is during dreamless deep sleep. Did attention exist then ? Intention precedes attention.
Yes, but since there is no doer, no chooser of the object of attention, what is it that, for example, notices attention wandering and “chooses” to return attention to an open focus of experience of the present moment ? I suppose it’s all just happening by itself, eh ? It seems that there is nothing to do but relax into the wonder of it all .
Could consciousness move? Perhaps the reflected consciousness move to boards the object. Consciousness is dimensionless therefore can't move. Where it move? Movement always happens in time and space while consciousness is beyond time and space.
@Timaeon Talks: Spira uses "awareness" and "consciousness" . . . synonymously. You can make a distinction between the two . . . but Spira doesn't think it's important to do so for what he's pointing to. I tend to agree . . .
Thank you for the great knowledge. I have never seen someone articulate these complex things like you do. I have a question , could you please clarify. This is my understanding based on your videos. I/Me = Awareness. Awareness is like a laptop screen and movie played in the laptop is like the contents of the Awareness. Awareness being Aware of itself is the purest knowledge. I understand that part. My question is this. When a movie (thoughts or any objects) is played in the laptop (awareness) , does awareness (ME) have to "do something (like focus itself to an object in itself, which is called attention)" to be aware of the movie ? I think this is called attention correct? Meaning "me" (awareness) become aware of objects played in itself , correct? So are we saying, awareness (me) will not be aware of it's contents without "drawing myself" to an object which is played within me (awareness) ?
Why do people what to know what is the relationship between Awareness and Attention, only one thing is important how to get there but nobody can answer it for you.
So far, his is my favorite of Rupert Spira's videos. He is so generous with his explanations. It is truly transforming. Thank you.
"Attention is the movement of awareness, away from itself, towards the object."
Rupert is so damn eloquent and clear and precise in his explanations
13.06 "in time experience begins to lose its capacity to veil consciousness and there, there is less an less distinction between meditation and experience."
So well said!
Wow, great question, great answer. Rupert is a real Master to put so easy and simple something that has been so complex to explain before for so many spiritual teachers.
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I'm so thankful for this question and this answer. This is something I've been working out in my own personal way. Very nice to get Rupert's perspective on the matter. Also, lovely questioner.
'Attention is consciousness direct towards an object' one sentence concludes it all!
A kiss from god..no words for how Rupert put into words about these unexplainable things...
Love his teachings. It answers
all my questions though it still needs practicing... every single day. 🙏🏻
Gosh! The best explanation i've heard. I really don't want to mention others that just attempt to answer this but end up confuing one more. Everyone of them talks from an expert position and forget that everything happens in stages. I'm so glad that he mentioned and stressed the gradual process of it with the "kiss from God" analogy. That is succint. It takes a gradual process. In short, entering the stage without the gradual process means a whole lot of learning about how it comes to be is skipped which isn't good for the individual. Thank you for this excellent explanation.
Wow, last 2 min were exactly what I needed 💖 Thank you 🔥
Its so nice that you had the ability to bring this to words. And your words are really clear also. Thanks for your service
Withdrawing attention from objects, only awareness remains
and that is our true nature.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, clear and helpful as ever!
Blessed to be able to take this understing 🌷🙏.
Thank you for ur compassionate sharing.🌷🙏
Always so lucid and beautiful. Thank you, Rupert.
Pranam with gratitude and love.
This is brilliant...after a horrific energetic awakening, this is exactly my experience now
How it's going Mikey dear
Amazing Teachings , Thank You Rupert !
When Consciousness is all there is, I (as consciousness) "see" no "objects"; therefore, there is no need for either attention or stretching. Of course, this needs a clear cognition as a FACT that "I" am the source and "stuff" of Body/Mind/Objects and yet "I" remain untouched by the appearance or disappearance of them.
Wonderful as always, he is so beautiful relax, I love all his videos
Wow, thank you. Blessed be He.
Thank you Rupert for your fantastic teachings!
So wonderful as usual!
❤🙏Thank you so so much🙏❤ so sweet tears, wonderful, thank you, thank you🙏🙏
Thank you Rupert! Amazingly described! 😀
I experienced exactly what You said, that „kiss of god” on LSD three times. First time I had blissful experience and realized for the first time in my life that I was something more than just what I can see. But then I lost it and my practice came. Two times more I experienced very deep LSD trip where I went basically mad because I was in eternity of duality and it felt like there is no peace and eternal stillness. It felt like there is only movement and maddnes forever and ever. But after that phase of trip something new and ultimately freeing emerged and I got a glimpse of real freedom beyond any concept of freedom, beyond duality. But then I lost it again and went from total freedom to total Ego and it was so painful. Today I can say with confidence that it is so good and joyful to be myself and it is so easy and I know I found that state that I experienced on LSD. Peace beyond any concept, any division. Love and light everyone ❤️❤️❤️
Listening to this my third eye almost exploded
whoa! ... i hope it didn't.
Hahahahaha
Truth!!
Thanks Rupert!!
Thank you very much for your videos
An excellent example of the process one faces to not have the same face
“Thinking” is a process but “Awareness” of thinking is not a process.
Wahwah AhaAha wonderful Chamatkaric Vishmaypurna DhanyabadDhanyabadDhanyabad thanksgretitude dhanyabad dhanyabadDhanyabadDhanyabad rupertspira
注意力本身会形成一个形状，我们也会被形状所吸引，当注意力放松，这个形状就会消失，注意力的本质觉知才会呈现
Such attentive listening
Culadasa put it this way in his book. The mind is made of systems and subsystems that work together or are competing. The winners enter the conscience. And being aware is one part of the mind looking at one another. In other words The mind is awareness and awareness is the mind. They are the same.
Attention is one part of the mind that won the grasping competition for a certain time. The mind or the planets are the same, they attract or push away stuff. Duality is their job.
In the 8 limbs of yoga codified by Pantanjali, prior to Samadhi is Dharana and Dhyana. The latter two are forms of intense concentration. Dhyana being the most intense. Rupert seems to be saying that his method does not require attention and concentration. Maybe similar to Ramana Maharishi's method of self-inquiry. However, I believe Rupert also practiced forms of concentration such as mantra and prayers for a time. Did those practices lead him to enlightenment or Samadhi? Or did he find them to have little value and tried a new course? I believe that most of us on the path follow the road of attention and concentration which somehow leads to meditation or one realizes its futility and just lets go. Maybe all practices are futile except they do give one some solace that he/she are on a path at least. Concentration does release one from the habitual habits of the mind. A sort of step-by-step dismantling. Quite possibly when most of the mind's disassembly is accomplished, one can see glimpses of light and one can slip out from one of the cracks. Rupert Spira seems like such a wonderful and patient honest compassionate soul. Nice to have his help. Thank you.
Satyam shivam sundrem Wahwah AhaAha thanksgretitude dhanyabad dhanyabadDhanyabadDhanyabad Rupertspira
Consciousness needs just to 'Step Back' in order to direct its attention towards its source. Source is always 'behind'.
Thank you
what a beautiful guy
Awareness directed by will -ATTENTION ❤️👍
In order to be aware of one's consciousness, you have to presume consciousness as an object. Thus what is it that is aware of consciousness? Isn't being aware of being aware implying that something is aware of awareness - what is that which is aware of awareness?
@Richard Gallagher: Yes, that's THE question, no doubt about it. Rupert addresses it specifically in numerous videos . . .
Thanks for fantastic video, it explains alot. But one thing i struggle with in my practice is when i let go of attention and just relax "as the watcher", for a short while im in this state of consiousness. But pretty fast other thoughts arrive and i get confused how to get back to this "watcher" feeling? Should i use fokused attention and then try to relax until thoughts arrie again, and after a while i can be in this "watcher" feeling longer? Or is it more to try just to relax all the time, or something ele? I have been meditating focused on breath for 3 years, so i guess i will need to try to learn some new habits, but confused how to do it? best regards
@shashabooee Thanks for taking the time to answer. If i understand you right, its more like dont strive for nothing or emptiness, the thoughts that arise, they arise, just let them do that, but try not to get the thoughts to stick or pay attention to them? I f this is correct, may i ask how you do this ? meaning, if i would like to get rid of my attention on whatever, lets say what food to eat, i would usually replace the food thought whith something else, like thinking on love, friends or whatever. But whith this i have only replaced the food thought with another thought. If you have any advise on "how to let go of the thought that suddenly have gotten my attention" i would greatly appreciate it? Best regards
@shashabooee Great thanks for the help this sentence feels incredibly helpful "Rather, abandon the attempt to let go of anything and namelessly observe to movement of what is" i will for sure make use of it. best regards and big love to you
I’m curious, what definition of consciousness is being used? I’m writing a paper on this (or taking a break from it actually), and the first problem in this video which I can’t get past is that consciousness isn’t defined. The definition my paper is bound by is essentially that consciousness is awareness; the subjective and reportable experience of sensations/perceptions (to give a simple description). With the definition just described, there is evidence that attention can exist without consciousness, and vice versa.
consciousness , as you rightly mentioned is just what one is conscious of. Perceptions including mental forms. For me the key differentiator is that consciousness has qualia - a felt quality to it (Including thoughts - you know the difference between the thought of a cow and thought of a mountain). However attention does not have a qualia. It cannot be grasped. A simple exercise would be to move the attention from this computer screen to the sensation on your feet - and then try to find how did that attention move - can it be grasped as a form ? And how can attention exist without consciousness - that only time you are without consciousness is during dreamless deep sleep. Did attention exist then ? Intention precedes attention.
I don’t see how awareness can be aware of itself without reference to anything else.
Yes, but since there is no doer, no chooser of the object of attention, what is it that, for example, notices attention wandering and “chooses” to return attention to an open focus of experience of the present moment ? I suppose it’s all just happening by itself, eh ? It seems that there is nothing to do but relax into the wonder of it all .
Could consciousness move? Perhaps the reflected consciousness move to boards the object. Consciousness is dimensionless therefore can't move. Where it move? Movement always happens in time and space while consciousness is beyond time and space.
Kiss from God....how beautiful 🙏💕
So beautifull ❤
Do you agree that what is "attention" for Krishnamurti (awareness without choice) is the same as for Spira is awareness, or pure consciousness?
How to sink attention ????
How do you withdraw attention from objects, do you ask am I aware?
Gradual growth is the most potent.
nitsuAustin Moore no lsd its kind of cheating like in school :)
@@tuficek yea but the effect isn't permanent like gradual growth.
one can seek the source of attention, what directs attention. There seems also to be some confusion between Awareness and Consciousnss.
@Timaeon Talks: Spira uses "awareness" and "consciousness" . . . synonymously. You can make a distinction between the two . . . but Spira doesn't think it's important to do so for what he's pointing to. I tend to agree . . .
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Thank you for the great knowledge. I have never seen someone articulate these complex things like you do. I have a question , could you please clarify. This is my understanding based on your videos.
I/Me = Awareness. Awareness is like a laptop screen and movie played in the laptop is like the contents of the Awareness. Awareness being Aware of itself is the purest knowledge. I understand that part. My question is this. When a movie (thoughts or any objects) is played in the laptop (awareness) , does awareness (ME) have to "do something (like focus itself to an object in itself, which is called attention)" to be aware of the movie ? I think this is called attention correct? Meaning "me" (awareness) become aware of objects played in itself , correct? So are we saying, awareness (me) will not be aware of it's contents without "drawing myself" to an object which is played within me (awareness) ?
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If mind is a wave in ocean then attention is curvature of that wave
Why do people what to know what is the relationship between Awareness and Attention, only one thing is important how to get there but nobody can answer it for you.
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？这个沉入源头的意思是放下吧，彻底放下客体世界之后，注意力无处可去就会回家
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