I try not to worry too much about steel anymore. I just buy designs that I like. I understand the gripe with the handles but I’d like to know how long it would take most people to realize if all their blades steels turned to 8cr overnight.
Yet its in his hand. R+D and IP is not free so factor that into the cost plus complexity of the lock over say an axis lock machining wise and fitting the parts. Now i do think the price is maybe a little high but the premium packaging isn’t free either so theres some more cost. And the end of the day if the average knife enthusiast was really worried about value they would have stopped at the ontario rat and said good enough 🤣. Still Enjoyed the review
Completely agree with you. For $150, this knife should have come with G-10 handles and CPM-S30V steel at the bare minimum. When you have USA made knives like the Hogue Deka come with G-10 and 20CV for less than $150, it makes this knife look overpriced. Demko is cashing in on his success, fame, and hype right now. Once the hype dies down, hopefully this knife will go on sale for under $100, where it's more appropriately priced. Not saying it's a bad knife, but not worth the asking price at all.
I think there is a premium for an innovative locking mechanism that is unique and I’m sure a time consuming engineering process. But, it is all relative, the AD20 is 425+, with materials you can get for 200 on other knives.
Comparing Demko and Cold Steel is not really fair as they are nowhere near the same place as a brand. Cold steel likely pays far less per knife to manufacturer due to several reasons including number of knives bought and history working with the manufacturer. The technology in the air lite has been paid off where as the shark lock is still paying on the r&d. The first knives with the triad lock where likely not sub $100. Until you see cut tests with this particular knife, don't you think it is premature to talk down the steel used? Especially when this particular factory has a history of producing impressive knives with this steel? There are far more important factors in the quality of a blade than slight changes in formula. I actually like the way this grivory looks and feels, especially compared to all the other knives using this material. The only thing I think I agree with you on is the making on the handle making it appear cheap. I think this is one of the more interesting knives to come out this year, as I will never pay +$400 for the AD20. I actually wanted to write off the shark lock as a gimmick before getting it in hand. As a true hard use edc knife the ad20.5 is hard to beat in my opinion.
Thanks for the honesty. This knife is not my style. However, most knives by well known designers are overpriced. Kudos to Demko for bringing a knife to a lower price point for the masses.
This is nothing new. Might as well call out all knife makers that charge $200+ for knives with the same materials that other companies are using but asking for the $100 price point.
Appreciate the unbiased review and the fact you haven’t let the hype train cloud your judgement. Every time I handle my 20.5 I feel like its a $60 Cold steel with a $90 lock. I took mine apart and theres no way it cost more than $20 to make the lock mechanism. Its a fun knife and there will be loads of aftermarket scale options for it but then the overall cost keeps rising. 10A steel is probably the toughest blade steel than can be cut/stamped without using a waterjet which again is a cost saving measure that makes it hard to justify the high price. It will still sell like hotcakes though just for the fidget factor. 👍
I would chalk the price up to the complexity of the lock, I work as a smith and as I tell almost all the customers I interact with, the majority of the cost is in the work, not the materials. Sure, I mostly work in regular construction steel, stainless and aluminium, not specialized steels, but even if they are ten times as cheap as the knife steels I'm pretty sure at least a third of the money in any knife is tied up in the cost of the work, even if they are machine ground, someone has to watch, service and repair the machines, and assemble the knife. The shark lock looks complex and probably have a bunch of moving parts that all have to be made, and it all takes time
Have you seen the locking mechanism? It is not very complex it is actually very cleverly designed. It’s a coil spring and a little box insert with the “shark fin” on top
Flaming Wayne! I can already see the villagers with pitchforks and torches coming. With that said, I am sure there are a lot more knives that could use a roasting. Flame on, Wayne!
These peak my interest but $150 for grivory and aus 10a tells me that price tag is more for the ingenuity behind the shark lock. Charge $50 more and add micarta and a better steel and I would be sold.
you are correct the shark lock is a pain in my index finger is used.. so im using my thumb.. works as well... this knife sell at $250 here in our country and is sold out..
I think this is a balanced and fair review. I like my AD20.5 but I also like to fidget, and the pointy sharklock is killing my finger, which never happened with my AD20. I don't know if it's due to width or bad/sharp jimping on the sharkfin, but it's an issue. The price is high for the materials, no question. From interviews I know Andrew Demko wants this to be entry level then go up in price with better materials, but I think it would be a better introduction at $200 with G10 and M390 / 20CV / Maxamet / Cru-wear etc.... still half the price of the AD20 but in a truly awesome EDC size.
Thank you very much for being so honest. Instead of someof these other popular reviewers that get on their knees and you know what from there. I like the knife personally myself. That's the exact reason I haven't bought it yet. Still undecided!!!
The initial batch will surely sell out in minutes once it's widely released. What will be interesting to watch, however, is how long reseller inventories last once they're restocked in a few months and word on the street has had time to spread from the initial owners.
I appreciate the fact that you gave an honest review that is unbiased and consumer focused. I had a similar review of this knife on my channel, I went ahead and subscribed :) cheers
Good points Wayne. Would be cool to have a Demko with the shark lock, and will probably pick one up when they’re more available. But with G10 and S35vn would be a no doubter.
Because of Nick Shabazz, I made a fool of myself talking about the AD 20. Because of his accent, I thought he was saying “shock lock” 😂. And I believed it because it rhymed.
Probably closer to $75, but that still makes this knife twice as expensive as it should be. $75 for the knife + $75 for the "Demko" laser etching on the blade.
I can’t say I agree. What youre really paying for here is the lock. It’s not cheap to produce a lock like this. If it were a back lock, liner lock, or frame lock, sure…you’re right, the handle and steel wouldn’t fit. It isn’t though. AUS10A is the best stanpable steel, meaning it doesn’t take a water jet or other form of machining to produce, and the FRN is 🤷🏻♂️. Most of the cost comes from the lock, but they used the best materials they could in relation to the price point.
@@j.cut_ You have a point, there. I still don't think we're paying for the actual material & manufacturing of the lock, but rather recouping R&D costs (which is a legitimate price factor). How much that should be worth is up for debate.
Yeah, I don't agree. They've had to buy the tooling and machines to mass produce a new lock in Taiwan. Future models with the same lock will surely be cheaper, but with the costs of the tooling, I can't imagine they're making much profit at all. A single high speed carbide bit can cost thousands, never mind the machine it goes in to. I can almost guarantee that they had to buy the tooling outright to stop there being copies being made from the same factory and sold on Ali Express.
Why? The AD 15 is a competitor for a similar price. Same materials, innovative lock. What $50 knife is competing with it? A Ritter Hogue eats its lunch every day of the week.
I just got a 20.5 slicer from BladeHQ for dirt cheap. There’s still 4 left of the model I ordered. I grabbed the coated 20cv blade with the grey G10 scales. All for $129 with free shipping!!!!! I came here to see the difference. I hope my Lynch Deep Carry Clip will fit.
Andrew said The reason for the AUS10A is because it’s the hardest steel that the machines could punch out with a press. Going to water jet or laser cutting each blade would add significant cost.
I saw video of Demko saying at Blade Show that the steel was the best steel they could use without changing the manufacturing process, which would increase the cost substantially--I'm convinced by that, and it really doesn't seem like the markup on this guy is beyond the pale, especially for a work knife or fidget EDC. Idk if it's accurate to imply that the packaging is responsible for the price. OFC I would love to see this in S35VN or Magnacut, even at a higher price, but honestly, I think it's pretty sneaky marketing to use AUS10A and Grivory for the first production version of a new lock (insuring that all the enthusiasts will buy it, because they like the design even if they don't love the materials), which then allows you to re-release it in G10 and S35VN down the line and get most of those enthusiasts to re-purchase the same knife.
I like your honesty, and agree to everything you said about it being overpriced, I've been wanting that knife long enough, but now you make me hesitate to get one, good job, subbed
@@WaynesSharpWorld completely agree for $150 they really betrayed us with those scales and the aus10. What do you think about the titanium version in 3V steel for $375 lol. I mean idk what to do buy the 3v and hope for the best, I mean my chances of getting a custom American from PA is low but it pisses me off that for just slightly more money I can own an orginal made here in the states. What to do such is life, hopefully they'll eventually drop the price down.
Oooh I'm definitely more interested knowing how thin the 20.5 is. That's a posts trial plus for me, although yeah the mechanism could be a bit left satisfying.
I’m with you on this one. I have wanted an AD20 for so long and still do! I was hoping this would scratch my itch but it just doesn’t. My comfort zone is big over built knives. This one is just like you put it ehhh. Great knife but I will probably sell it.
I agree on your points. I do feel it's overpriced but I got mine today and I do enjoy it so far. The main reason I got it is to fill the ad20 gap. In my collecting now the 20 is just not in the cards for price and availability. So for the price getting to experience the shark lock made it worth the price. Same way the cs ad 15 allowed me to check out the scorpion lock. I really enjoy demkos designs and look forward to getting more in the collection. The cs ad 10 will hopefully be next. Great review as always brotha 👍
Hmm. I’m a little torn. I kind of want to get one of these when I’ve got the money to blow but I at the same time I’m also thinking, I could get a mini recon and an American lawman for just 20 bucks more. And I was really jonesing for the mini recon when it got announced.
I think you make really good points, I got mine a few days ago and really like it. Maybe as they sell some they can begin to reduce the price. Edit as a lefty come on man. It’s been a long road for us to get things that are truly ambi. Don’t ruin it for us.
I think the knife should be around the $100 to $120 price point. That being said it is still something unique with the Shark lock. I personally will probably never pay $425 for an AD20 and this will help me scratch that itch for $150. Thanks for the review and you make some good points.
Nice review, I'd agree with you on the ergos. I wish they had put some fat body scales on this thing! I have extra large hands and I do not have any trouble using it, but a wider body would be a welcomed addition to this knife.
This knife is a product of economics, the Demkos had to front the money to get these made. Not cheap. Of course Cold Steel could bring these out for $75 but they could purchase three times as many. They didn't Kickstart the knife or anything like that, what they did do was provide a quality knife that will handle 95% of your daily tasks at a price they could afford too. IE they're not getting rich on these.
Finally someone with an educated response that understands economics and the business principles behind it. Demko stated that it cost him upwards of $30k to have this batch made.
Putting the clip contact area on both sides on a logo and not a textured area is smart for ease of access without ripping up your pocket. I don’t like logos or plastic handle either. I feel they could have went with G10 or micarta.
@Wayne's Sharp World I agree for most part on everything you said. My only two comments would be, keeping it thick behind the edge leaves it suited for heavy use and I could have done without the milled slot. I feel the slot is susceptible to crushing if someone batons with it. Ok a third one, AUS10A is fine, not for $150 though, as you said.
I picked up 3 at Blade Show , sharpened and used it. As a user blade "Hard Pass" - soft steel - thicker than I like behind the edge -. Not slicy Will buy the knife in better steel. 😎👍 Thanks for the review.
@@WaynesSharpWorld I ended up getting the K110/D2 because you can find D2 blades on expensive knives but the AUS10 is a budget steel even though they perform pretty close to the same. As soon as I can afford to get a magnacut reblade from transparent knives that's what I plan on doing.
Thanks for the review. Still not cancelling my pre-order though😅 Really, the same could be said for the custom version? I could wait for the price to come down or for a premium version to become available. But I just know this is going bring me joy and I want it now🥴 That said, while the size of the 20.5 is better for me than the original AD20, it's still a bit larger than what I like to carry. For me this is mainly a collectors item, so the bladesteel doesn't actually matter that much, and eventhat ugly pocketclip doesn't really bother me😏
Man, I was really questioning whether this knife was worth $150 and you answered that question for me. LIke I kinda wanted to get one before, but this video changed that big time. Especially when you pointed out the Cold Steel knives coming out of the same plant with better materials for way less, really shows how overpriced this one is. I think I'm right there with you now, I like Demko and he makes some sick knives but def gonna pass on the AD20.5. Thanks for the great content, this really cleared up some major questions.
Absolutely Love the knife. Instantly my favorite EDC. I have both the clip point and the sharksfoot. Dying one of them this week either Purple or blue. Not sure yet.
@@evile1174 I prefer the sharksfoot. I like the straighter edge and it’s just more interesting. I did end up dying the scales dark blue. I bought two more sharksfoot from BladeHQ in December and dyed them dark purple. My nephew got one for Christmas. He goes to TCU. School colors are purple and black. The “jade” color takes dye very well.
Wayne, I love ya, but I disagree w you to a point. I don't have a "real" Demko to compare but unfortunately, this is what you get sometimes for $150 in today's times. A Para 3 Lightweight cost $140 and I have the Para 3 s90v model and the ad20.5 is definitely built better. One thing you definitely said is that it is a solid knife. So much more than a Para 3 Lightweight. Yep, you are paying for the name and the lock but it is a way for a guy like me who can't spend $400+ on a knife to get their hands on a knife like this. I did take this hiking today in some pretty rough areas and it definitely performed well.
I want one, I don’t care about the blade being AUS10A, grivory does suck, but I want to play with that lock. It’s worth 150 to me for the novelty. I have plenty of high end knives to cut stuff with.
The steel is typical Cold Steel. Unfortunately the biggest thing paying for is the shark lock. I know at Blade show it was 150. I have heard as more dealers begin selling it it will be closer to the 125 to 135. Might still be a little high even at that price but more in line to the price it should be. At that price I might very well purchase one. I usually would go with a sheepsfoot but in this case will probably get this in the clip point. Would have loved to have seen this in a true Wharncliff blade shape. Thanks for sharing it.
All i hear is how strong the lock is....up and down i agree,but with those thin metal liners set in plastic it's not gonna be strong side to side in the long run. I still want one,but for that price it should have full metal liners and at least G10. The Zt sincevich cost 180 and it has a titanium handle.
First off anyone who thinks Andrew demko would charge more for a knife just because he thinks he can get it doesn't know who Andrew demko is. Second, you clearly don't understand how production and manufacturing works, and why it's cheaper for large companies to do it then small companies like Andrew Demko. These knives cost so much because Andrew demko basically has to pay for them out of pocket and it's expensive because he can't produce him in gigantic batches the way Cold Steel can. Manufacturer is actually charged less per piece the larger the batch. Also Demko is paying out of pocket for advertising wholesale shipping to the dealers etc. If he ever gets to the point where he's a large company and he can afford to say have a batch of 10,000 made and instead of 1,000 it will cost him a lot less, and the knife will cost less to purchase
I have an interesting thought regarding the Demko AD 20.5. I was wondering if you added micarta aftermarket scales to this Demko AD 20.5, would it then be able possible to attach to it the pocket clip from the Cold Steel AD 10🤔 Look at the pocket clip of the Cold Steel AD 10, it's a smaller wider pocket clip that not only has a flat plateau at the end of it's tip, it also has a very similar diagonal pocket clip screw hole pattern. The smooth micarta aftermarket scales would eliminate the tip of the shorter Cold Steel AD 10 pocket clip from sitting on the texturing of the original plastic AD 20.5 scales. If the pocket clip from the Cold Steel AD 10 does fit on the Demko AD 20.5, this could be the ultimate pocket clip solution for the Demko AD 20.5🤞🙏
@@WaynesSharpWorld After looking at it again, the screw hole pattern of the Cold Steel AD 10 dosen't match the screw hole pattern of the Demko AD 20.5☹ So what I'm currently doing is having someone on Etsy(Pops) basically make me exact same pocket clip as on the Cold Steel AD 10 but have it configured to work with the screw hole pattern in the Demko AD 20.5👍
I really hate the odd/weird pocket clip on the Demko Ad 20.5!!! Why does there need to be a giant lanyard hole in the middle of the base of the pocket clip and why? Also, the two diagonal screw hole pattern of the pocket clip is weird and therefore makes it difficult to make aftermarket pocket clips. I know that Lynch Northwest makes a deep carry pocket for the Demko AD 20.5 but that aftermarket pocket clip is way too deep carry for my liking!!!! The Lynch Northwest AD 20.5 deep carry pocket clip actually has the top of the loop/end of the pocket clip higher than the end of the scales of the AD 20.5 so the AD 20.5 ends up being extremely deep carry and therefore the end of the handle rests below the seem of your pants pocket. I also never liked how skinny and thin Lynch Northwest makes their pocket clips, and how the tip of their pocket clips is always a harsh checkmark.
Had a chance to buy one - the drop point one and passed. Sorry - don't like plastic and Aus10. Would have bought if it had 20cv or something similar. Love the lock, but not enough to pay more than I think it's worth. Have overpayed for plenty of exclusive Spyderco's, but needed to scratch the collecting itch for specific variant. Personally feel the AD20 is overpriced as well, but at least has proper steel and handles. Flame suit is on...
It's nice to see someone call out the horrible pricing on this knife. This is a really dirty move by Demko and I will probably never buy any of their knives. It's funny that you get a nice box, case and cloth but the knife is made out of such cheap materials. What a joke. I've always thought Benchmades and Spydercos were overpriced but they seem like a major bargain after seeing a knife like this priced at $150.
99.95$ imo ide pay a little extra for the lock and the Demko name but 150$ is crazy. Of course he's sold a ton but I think once the new where's off sales will drop...unless the price drops down to 100$ I would buy it at a 100$ but 150$ now a days getting close to titanium and premium steel.
Demko is essentially making sprint runs of this knife. He likely doesn’t have the financial backing to order thousands of knives at a time. I personally would be happier if the knife was even $25 cheaper. I would throw out $100 for it with no problem.
the hype is factor for sure buts its also a smaller company. i doubt a smaller company like Demko Knives can push as much value as a larger company like Cold Steel. hopefully the money made off the AD20.5 gets reinvested back into the company.
I like the lock design but it’s tough to justify the price. The other thing I have a hard time understanding is about the 3V versions being so much higher than the K110/D2 versions. Isn’t 3V very similar to D2? I think they could have at least done something inexpensive, but good like a stainless product like 14c28N or 154CM. I honestly think it would have justified the cost a bit more. Knowing the OEM being Cold Steel they use a lot of AUS10 so in order to get his lock out to the masses and the fact that the Able Lock and his other locks and is probably Demko’s biggest source of sales made it a decent way to get a lot of them in the hands of users.
The Lock is the thing you pay for. You‘re right. I felt the Need to have the AD 20.5. But I will Go with your 2021 100 Dollar + Picks Hogue Deka V2 and K320 Nitron.
Yea the Hogue’s are 5x’s better than the 20.5… BUT, I also always have to add… as disappointed as I was with the 20.5, the original 20 is still one of my all-time faves!! 🔥🔥
Good review. I bought this knife in D2 & immediately regretted it. Exchanged it right away. Got the kizer cormorant instead: For $150, we should be getting s30v & g10. Maybe whenever there’s a significant revision, I’ll bite.
if i had a hot product i'd make a cash grab too.. i bought one.. and i love it.. $150 is pocket change in the knife world if you don't live in value town
As always, thank you for your review and I respect your option and perspective. However, I advise you or anyone else who thinks this is “overpriced” to go to REC’s YT channel and watch the interview with Andrew Demko. He gives a full explanation regarding pricing and total cost it took for him to make this production knife. I have the clip point and love it and think it’s worth every penny.
So, second best action/deployment/fidgets in the industry.? Good build quality? It’s probably 60-100% more expensive than a comparable material coldsteel, but it’s a Demko therefore exclusive/coveted even in “mass”production form. This is still a very small release compared to spyderco, coldsteel or even benchmade. Economies of scale does apply. Yeah, it’ll be available in better materials a year from now, and hopefully at the same price, but people are already buying it on the secondary for a markup. The community set the demand based on availability and time frame not the materials. Good business practices and market awareness resulted in the price. As their partnership continues with the Taiwan factory you can expect more variety in materials etc. as demand adjusts you can expect the perceived value to shift. Did I ever mention I’m an economist? I’m eager to get mine. I’m eager to see a 154 cm or d2 AD20. I’m eager to see new blade shapes on both at a variety of price points. All of this will come. For those like me who can’t wait we have this if we are lucky enough to get it on the first wave. I think you’ll enjoy where this run leads. I could be wrong, but it is a reasonable expectation.
My two cents: Demko is making out-of-the-box decisions. Make the scales easy to replace, then make it easy for aftermarket scales to fit the hardware, then get the cheapest possible scales to reduce cost. I bought RGT micarta scales and it thickened up the handle and made the use a whole lot batter, and using the stock hardware. Also, this is Demkos kickstarter. Yes the ad20 was a success, but to get funds to ramp up production as quickly as possible you need money. If people pay $150 for cheap materials but good design, then that gives Demko room to grow and make more designs. Now I'm waiting for the premium versions with better steel to show up. They'll probably still have grivory scales but there's already a couple companies working on releasing titanium scales. I think this is a great way to raise funds and encourage people to customise their own knives without going the Hinderer Route.
The grivory scales are my biggest complaint on this knife. 😡 Makes it feel like a cheap $60 knife. I was gonna get the spyderco para 3 over this knife same price at $150 but I chose the ad 20.5 clip point. I'm kinda starting to have buyers remorse 🤦♂️
The AD 20.5 should be priced at $80-$90. The materials are very budget, as civivi knives prove. G10 and D2 or Nitro V for the $80 price range. Sure, the shark lock is awesome, and Andrew Demko is an awesome designer, but that doesn't warrant that price tag. But, before you try to convince me it does, go watch reviews on knives that have G10 and AUS10A, almost every review is "$60 for AUS10A is too much, it's just not that good". But slap a Demko name on there, and suddenly AUS10A is awesome, and plastic handles are overlooked. Hopefully, Demko significantly reduces the price on these because, yes, I want one, just not for that price.
This is not assuming this is you. This is just who we compete w/in the knife world, lol kinda 99% of knife guys vomit over grivory. 100% of "knife guys" that don't cut w/ their knives moisten up over interaction w/ designers/makers. "K.G.s" sell 20.5s for $250-$400 on eBay. They sell on eBay period. We all knew it was grivory, grivory flexes. If all you do is "fidget" w/ a knife, it's worth $150+. If you use your knife, like skinning back 750-0125 copper transformer cable might still be ok, but you'll be better grabbing a $40-70 aus10a bladed knife in g10 or steel bc it's gonna chew through that edge half a day. Considering the availability of the ad20 from dealers it's worth it if you want to try out the lock. .Or you could pay $750 after tax for a G10 from simps on eBay like I almost did last week, then I remembered I don't care for them as people, and proceed to wait, and wait to attempt beating them to the cart if I see my email in stock notification b4 them. Maybe I'll have one before I die. I'm 36
Scrolling through these comments is a little disappointing. People are really out here thinking that Demko is gauging prices? To keep the price at 150 or below he used the best materials he could. Had he used a better steel, it would’ve costed significantly more for the machining cost as AUS10A is the best steel you can stamp-out. Grivory is an ehh, sure…but I’ve hear from many people that it feels just like g10 anyways so 🤷🏻♂️. Everyone needs to realize that the lock is what you pay for primarily on this knife, if you wanted S45 or 20CV or something similar, it would almost definitely cost over $200 and that’s without adding a different handle material to boot. Don’t get me wrong though, I’m not saying to go buy it if you don’t like 10A and grivory, I’m just saying that demko isn’t ripping you off.
You have to include the hype and reputation factors. That adds at least $25-30 to the overall price. Even with the shark lock, this would be $100 if it wasn’t Demko.
I'll say this. Bugout or this. This everytime. Not even close. That said yes the bugout is a little cheaper now but I'd gladly pay the extra 20 for this and I'll get over the aus10a to s30v difference. Dont care. Most the people that are gonna say it cost to much to have aus10a probably dont even use their knives enough to ever even notice and are just jumping on the steel bandwagon. You made all great points and I agree with them to an extent. i would have taken better handle scales ( preferably micarta then g10 ) over better blade steel everytime. And yes that platform for the clip just makes it worse. But you have to remember this is the cheapest they could have gone without sacrificing to much John and Andrew even said aus10a was the best they could do without having the price go up significantly more do to the manufacturing process , There are reasons for everything. AND you know someone is gonna make aftermarket scales. Think about the knives that are sub 100 . Yes there is alot and yes there are great ones BUT this is better simply because the locking mechanism and overall design. Personal opinion. That alone makes it worth it to me.
I am looking for an AD 20.5 but I bought 2 Bugouts from BHQ with G-10 and the 20cv blade for $149 each ...that’s the same price as this knife and the Bugout is made in Oregon ( if that matters a lot to you ).
I agree, I won’t buy any knife with those cheap plastic handles. They ruin Spyderco and now this one . Oh well, they will come out with one at least in G 10
Great review! This knife, at that price is an absolute slap in the face to knife enthusiast. There is a price point for this knife, 65-85$ 150$ for Aus10 and FRN? Disgusting.
I’m sure once he up’s production on this knife he will use better materials for the same price after all he can’t compete with the likes of Spiderco, Cold Steel and the likes, just give the guy a break….
I agree Demko is cashing in and you're paying for the name and the lock and the hype. I also think it's a great user knife at 150 still, which is a hard thing to do with the AD20 when the secondary prices are what they are and the how big it is. And its more accessible and EDC-able size wise. Still less than a stock PM2. I'm actually unsubscribing from you after this video because I feel like every video I check out are so focused on your needs and finding whiney personal nit-picks that you often miss the needs of other aspects of the community. Its such a downer to watch. I have enough friends I have to hear whine about their knives already. Just not what I'm looking for. Still wish you the best of luck! Just not what I'm looking for.
Demko is devaluing his innovative engineering by marketing it as an overpriced knife with a "party trick" lock. His invention deserves better. He is overreaching with his first marketing foray into the broader market based on the hype of the full American Made AD20 and all the excitement it created. Fully justified excitement based on it's materials and US custom made fit and finish. This has none of that except the down sized lock and is overpriced They may be continuing to market this too quickly to try to ride the hype for all it's worth based on previews of newer custom AD20' with Ti scales and milling and some hand ground blade shape options in Elmax priced over $1000. Check Knife Joy.
I try not to worry too much about steel anymore. I just buy designs that I like. I understand the gripe with the handles but I’d like to know how long it would take most people to realize if all their blades steels turned to 8cr overnight.
Couldn’t agree more with “I don’t have an issue with aus10a, I do have a huge issue paying 150$ for it.”
Seriously its au10a that really doesn't cut it for 150 bucks. I find 150 bucks out of line
Yet its in his hand. R+D and IP is not free so factor that into the cost plus complexity of the lock over say an axis lock machining wise and fitting the parts. Now i do think the price is maybe a little high but the premium packaging isn’t free either so theres some more cost. And the end of the day if the average knife enthusiast was really worried about value they would have stopped at the ontario rat and said good enough 🤣. Still Enjoyed the review
Completely agree with you. For $150, this knife should have come with G-10 handles and CPM-S30V steel at the bare minimum. When you have USA made knives like the Hogue Deka come with G-10 and 20CV for less than $150, it makes this knife look overpriced. Demko is cashing in on his success, fame, and hype right now. Once the hype dies down, hopefully this knife will go on sale for under $100, where it's more appropriately priced. Not saying it's a bad knife, but not worth the asking price at all.
I think there is a premium for an innovative locking mechanism that is unique and I’m sure a time consuming engineering process. But, it is all relative, the AD20 is 425+, with materials you can get for 200 on other knives.
Comparing Demko and Cold Steel is not really fair as they are nowhere near the same place as a brand. Cold steel likely pays far less per knife to manufacturer due to several reasons including number of knives bought and history working with the manufacturer. The technology in the air lite has been paid off where as the shark lock is still paying on the r&d. The first knives with the triad lock where likely not sub $100. Until you see cut tests with this particular knife, don't you think it is premature to talk down the steel used? Especially when this particular factory has a history of producing impressive knives with this steel? There are far more important factors in the quality of a blade than slight changes in formula. I actually like the way this grivory looks and feels, especially compared to all the other knives using this material. The only thing I think I agree with you on is the making on the handle making it appear cheap. I think this is one of the more interesting knives to come out this year, as I will never pay +$400 for the AD20. I actually wanted to write off the shark lock as a gimmick before getting it in hand. As a true hard use edc knife the ad20.5 is hard to beat in my opinion.
Thanks for the honesty. This knife is not my style. However, most knives by well known designers are overpriced. Kudos to Demko for bringing a knife to a lower price point for the masses.
This is nothing new. Might as well call out all knife makers that charge $200+ for knives with the same materials that other companies are using but asking for the $100 price point.
Appreciate the unbiased review and the fact you haven’t let the hype train cloud your judgement. Every time I handle my 20.5 I feel like its a $60 Cold steel with a $90 lock. I took mine apart and theres no way it cost more than $20 to make the lock mechanism. Its a fun knife and there will be loads of aftermarket scale options for it but then the overall cost keeps rising. 10A steel is probably the toughest blade steel than can be cut/stamped without using a waterjet which again is a cost saving measure that makes it hard to justify the high price. It will still sell like hotcakes though just for the fidget factor. 👍
Couldn't agree more Quagmire
"a $60 cold steel with a $90 lock" couldn't have said it better
Exactly, I couldn't justify getting one until I found one for just over a hundred
Thanks for your honest review 👍 You just saved me $150 😀
Or did I cost you $425? 😂
I think you cost me $425 🤔 I've been on the lookout for an AD20 for quite some time and hope to purchase one soon. Keep up the great content 😀
I would chalk the price up to the complexity of the lock, I work as a smith and as I tell almost all the customers I interact with, the majority of the cost is in the work, not the materials. Sure, I mostly work in regular construction steel, stainless and aluminium, not specialized steels, but even if they are ten times as cheap as the knife steels I'm pretty sure at least a third of the money in any knife is tied up in the cost of the work, even if they are machine ground, someone has to watch, service and repair the machines, and assemble the knife. The shark lock looks complex and probably have a bunch of moving parts that all have to be made, and it all takes time
Have you seen the locking mechanism? It is not very complex it is actually very cleverly designed. It’s a coil spring and a little box insert with the “shark fin” on top
I love the candor and breaking from what might be group-think!
Flaming Wayne! I can already see the villagers with pitchforks and torches coming. With that said, I am sure there are a lot more knives that could use a roasting.
Flame on, Wayne!
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These peak my interest but $150 for grivory and aus 10a tells me that price tag is more for the ingenuity behind the shark lock. Charge $50 more and add micarta and a better steel and I would be sold.
you are correct the shark lock is a pain in my index finger is used.. so im using my thumb.. works as well... this knife sell at $250 here in our country and is sold out..
I think this is a balanced and fair review. I like my AD20.5 but I also like to fidget, and the pointy sharklock is killing my finger, which never happened with my AD20. I don't know if it's due to width or bad/sharp jimping on the sharkfin, but it's an issue. The price is high for the materials, no question. From interviews I know Andrew Demko wants this to be entry level then go up in price with better materials, but I think it would be a better introduction at $200 with G10 and M390 / 20CV / Maxamet / Cru-wear etc.... still half the price of the AD20 but in a truly awesome EDC size.
Thank you very much for being so honest. Instead of someof these other popular reviewers that get on their knees and you know what from there. I like the knife personally myself. That's the exact reason I haven't bought it yet. Still undecided!!!
The initial batch will surely sell out in minutes once it's widely released. What will be interesting to watch, however, is how long reseller inventories last once they're restocked in a few months and word on the street has had time to spread from the initial owners.
The liner or partial line on the ad20 is massively thicker than the ad 20.5’s liner! That 20 is a beastie.
I appreciate the fact that you gave an honest review that is unbiased and consumer focused. I had a similar review of this knife on my channel, I went ahead and subscribed :) cheers
Thanks bro! Very much appreciated! 🙌🏼
Good points Wayne. Would be cool to have a Demko with the shark lock, and will probably pick one up when they’re more available. But with G10 and S35vn would be a no doubter.
Because of Nick Shabazz, I made a fool of myself talking about the AD 20. Because of his accent, I thought he was saying “shock lock” 😂. And I believed it because it rhymed.
Thank you! This is a $50.00 knife. period. Plastic handle and lesser metal. It's all about the hype and name brand. Thanks for being honest.
Probably closer to $75, but that still makes this knife twice as expensive as it should be. $75 for the knife + $75 for the "Demko" laser etching on the blade.
I can’t say I agree. What youre really paying for here is the lock. It’s not cheap to produce a lock like this. If it were a back lock, liner lock, or frame lock, sure…you’re right, the handle and steel wouldn’t fit. It isn’t though. AUS10A is the best stanpable steel, meaning it doesn’t take a water jet or other form of machining to produce, and the FRN is 🤷🏻♂️. Most of the cost comes from the lock, but they used the best materials they could in relation to the price point.
@@j.cut_ You have a point, there. I still don't think we're paying for the actual material & manufacturing of the lock, but rather recouping R&D costs (which is a legitimate price factor). How much that should be worth is up for debate.
Yeah, I don't agree. They've had to buy the tooling and machines to mass produce a new lock in Taiwan. Future models with the same lock will surely be cheaper, but with the costs of the tooling, I can't imagine they're making much profit at all. A single high speed carbide bit can cost thousands, never mind the machine it goes in to. I can almost guarantee that they had to buy the tooling outright to stop there being copies being made from the same factory and sold on Ali Express.
Why? The AD 15 is a competitor for a similar price. Same materials, innovative lock. What $50 knife is competing with it? A Ritter Hogue eats its lunch every day of the week.
I just got a 20.5 slicer from BladeHQ for dirt cheap. There’s still 4 left of the model I ordered. I grabbed the coated 20cv blade with the grey G10 scales. All for $129 with free shipping!!!!! I came here to see the difference. I hope my Lynch Deep Carry Clip will fit.
Andrew said The reason for the AUS10A is because it’s the hardest steel that the machines could punch out with a press. Going to water jet or laser cutting each blade would add significant cost.
I absolutely love the AD20.5. Knife steel doesn’t matter worth a shit. Unless you’re a hard user or certain situations
I saw video of Demko saying at Blade Show that the steel was the best steel they could use without changing the manufacturing process, which would increase the cost substantially--I'm convinced by that, and it really doesn't seem like the markup on this guy is beyond the pale, especially for a work knife or fidget EDC.
Idk if it's accurate to imply that the packaging is responsible for the price. OFC I would love to see this in S35VN or Magnacut, even at a higher price, but honestly, I think it's pretty sneaky marketing to use AUS10A and Grivory for the first production version of a new lock (insuring that all the enthusiasts will buy it, because they like the design even if they don't love the materials), which then allows you to re-release it in G10 and S35VN down the line and get most of those enthusiasts to re-purchase the same knife.
I like your honesty, and agree to everything you said about it being overpriced, I've been wanting that knife long enough, but now you make me hesitate to get one, good job, subbed
Thanks bro! Greatly appreciate the support! 👊🏼
@@WaynesSharpWorld completely agree for $150 they really betrayed us with those scales and the aus10. What do you think about the titanium version in 3V steel for $375 lol. I mean idk what to do buy the 3v and hope for the best, I mean my chances of getting a custom American from PA is low but it pisses me off that for just slightly more money I can own an orginal made here in the states. What to do such is life, hopefully they'll eventually drop the price down.
Oooh I'm definitely more interested knowing how thin the 20.5 is. That's a posts trial plus for me, although yeah the mechanism could be a bit left satisfying.
I’m with you on this one. I have wanted an AD20 for so long and still do! I was hoping this would scratch my itch but it just doesn’t. My comfort zone is big over built knives. This one is just like you put it ehhh. Great knife but I will probably sell it.
I agree on your points. I do feel it's overpriced but I got mine today and I do enjoy it so far. The main reason I got it is to fill the ad20 gap. In my collecting now the 20 is just not in the cards for price and availability. So for the price getting to experience the shark lock made it worth the price. Same way the cs ad 15 allowed me to check out the scorpion lock. I really enjoy demkos designs and look forward to getting more in the collection. The cs ad 10 will hopefully be next. Great review as always brotha 👍
Hmm. I’m a little torn. I kind of want to get one of these when I’ve got the money to blow but I at the same time I’m also thinking, I could get a mini recon and an American lawman for just 20 bucks more. And I was really jonesing for the mini recon when it got announced.
I think you make really good points, I got mine a few days ago and really like it. Maybe as they sell some they can begin to reduce the price.
Edit as a lefty come on man. It’s been a long road for us to get things that are truly ambi. Don’t ruin it for us.
They will sell it for as much as they can get for it that’s just business, never changes
I am with you as I’m a cack handed lefty and there’s not meany knives these days that are truly ambidextrous….
I think the knife should be around the $100 to $120 price point. That being said it is still something unique with the Shark lock. I personally will probably never pay $425 for an AD20 and this will help me scratch that itch for $150. Thanks for the review and you make some good points.
on a good day $80 to $90 tops.
Nice review, I'd agree with you on the ergos. I wish they had put some fat body scales on this thing! I have extra large hands and I do not have any trouble using it, but a wider body would be a welcomed addition to this knife.
This knife is a product of economics, the Demkos had to front the money to get these made. Not cheap. Of course Cold Steel could bring these out for $75 but they could purchase three times as many. They didn't Kickstart the knife or anything like that, what they did do was provide a quality knife that will handle 95% of your daily tasks at a price they could afford too. IE they're not getting rich on these.
Finally someone with an educated response that understands economics and the business principles behind it. Demko stated that it cost him upwards of $30k to have this batch made.
Putting the clip contact area on both sides on a logo and not a textured area is smart for ease of access without ripping up your pocket. I don’t like logos or plastic handle either. I feel they could have went with G10 or micarta.
Got one in a trade, looking forward to see what people make for aftermarket scales
Does the shark lock cost more to machine? Was surprised with the price. They beat benchmade out lol #shark tax
I’m not 100% sure, but I’d be surprised if it was.
@Wayne's Sharp World
I agree for most part on everything you said. My only two comments would be, keeping it thick behind the edge leaves it suited for heavy use and I could have done without the milled slot. I feel the slot is susceptible to crushing if someone batons with it.
Ok a third one, AUS10A is fine, not for $150 though, as you said.
Shark lock width is like comparing a microtech troodon vs microtech hera. Surface area makes a big difference.
I picked up 3 at Blade Show , sharpened and used it.
As a user blade "Hard Pass"
- soft steel
- thicker than I like behind the edge
-. Not slicy
Will buy the knife in better steel. 😎👍
Thanks for the review.
@@travisr.9542 send me a PM. Are you planning on using it as an EDC blade?
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Which do you think the better steel is for the demco ad20.5 the AUS10 or the K110 (D2)?
The K110 would hold a longer edge, but I’d take the AUS10 as it is a bit more well rounded.
@@WaynesSharpWorld I ended up getting the K110/D2 because you can find D2 blades on expensive knives but the AUS10 is a budget steel even though they perform pretty close to the same. As soon as I can afford to get a magnacut reblade from transparent knives that's what I plan on doing.
Thanks for the review. Still not cancelling my pre-order though😅 Really, the same could be said for the custom version? I could wait for the price to come down or for a premium version to become available. But I just know this is going bring me joy and I want it now🥴 That said, while the size of the 20.5 is better for me than the original AD20, it's still a bit larger than what I like to carry. For me this is mainly a collectors item, so the bladesteel doesn't actually matter that much, and eventhat ugly pocketclip doesn't really bother me😏
Man, I was really questioning whether this knife was worth $150 and you answered that question for me. LIke I kinda wanted to get one before, but this video changed that big time. Especially when you pointed out the Cold Steel knives coming out of the same plant with better materials for way less, really shows how overpriced this one is. I think I'm right there with you now, I like Demko and he makes some sick knives but def gonna pass on the AD20.5. Thanks for the great content, this really cleared up some major questions.
Nicely said Wayne. Drop material cost, drop USA labor cost, and pocket money off a great design and great knife when made right the Ad20
Absolutely Love the knife. Instantly my favorite EDC. I have both the clip point and the sharksfoot. Dying one of them this week either Purple or blue. Not sure yet.
Which do you like better ? Clip or sharks foot??
@@evile1174 I prefer the sharksfoot. I like the straighter edge and it’s just more interesting. I did end up dying the scales dark blue. I bought two more sharksfoot from BladeHQ in December and dyed them dark purple. My nephew got one for Christmas. He goes to TCU. School colors are purple and black. The “jade” color takes dye very well.
@@jagpilotohio nice! I have a sharkfoot on the way! I’m hoping the cost vs. subpar materials used doesn’t ruin it for me, lol.
Wayne, I love ya, but I disagree w you to a point. I don't have a "real" Demko to compare but unfortunately, this is what you get sometimes for $150 in today's times. A Para 3 Lightweight cost $140 and I have the Para 3 s90v model and the ad20.5 is definitely built better. One thing you definitely said is that it is a solid knife. So much more than a Para 3 Lightweight. Yep, you are paying for the name and the lock but it is a way for a guy like me who can't spend $400+ on a knife to get their hands on a knife like this. I did take this hiking today in some pretty rough areas and it definitely performed well.
I want one, I don’t care about the blade being AUS10A, grivory does suck, but I want to play with that lock. It’s worth 150 to me for the novelty. I have plenty of high end knives to cut stuff with.
The steel is typical Cold Steel. Unfortunately the biggest thing paying for is the shark lock. I know at Blade show it was 150. I have heard as more dealers begin selling it it will be closer to the 125 to 135. Might still be a little high even at that price but more in line to the price it should be. At that price I might very well purchase one. I usually would go with a sheepsfoot but in this case will probably get this in the clip point. Would have loved to have seen this in a true Wharncliff blade shape. Thanks for sharing it.
All i hear is how strong the lock is....up and down i agree,but with those thin metal liners set in plastic it's not gonna be strong side to side in the long run.
I still want one,but for that price it should have full metal liners and at least G10.
The Zt sincevich cost 180 and it has a titanium handle.
First off anyone who thinks Andrew demko would charge more for a knife just because he thinks he can get it doesn't know who Andrew demko is. Second, you clearly don't understand how production and manufacturing works, and why it's cheaper for large companies to do it then small companies like Andrew Demko. These knives cost so much because Andrew demko basically has to pay for them out of pocket and it's expensive because he can't produce him in gigantic batches the way Cold Steel can. Manufacturer is actually charged less per piece the larger the batch. Also Demko is paying out of pocket for advertising wholesale shipping to the dealers etc. If he ever gets to the point where he's a large company and he can afford to say have a batch of 10,000 made and instead of 1,000 it will cost him a lot less, and the knife will cost less to purchase
I have an interesting thought regarding the Demko AD 20.5. I was wondering if you added micarta aftermarket scales to this Demko AD 20.5, would it then be able possible to attach to it the pocket clip from the Cold Steel AD 10🤔 Look at the pocket clip of the Cold Steel AD 10, it's a smaller wider pocket clip that not only has a flat plateau at the end of it's tip, it also has a very similar diagonal pocket clip screw hole pattern. The smooth micarta aftermarket scales would eliminate the tip of the shorter Cold Steel AD 10 pocket clip from sitting on the texturing of the original plastic AD 20.5 scales. If the pocket clip from the Cold Steel AD 10 does fit on the Demko AD 20.5, this could be the ultimate pocket clip solution for the Demko AD 20.5🤞🙏
That would be sweet!
@@WaynesSharpWorld After looking at it again, the screw hole pattern of the Cold Steel AD 10 dosen't match the screw hole pattern of the Demko AD 20.5☹ So what I'm currently doing is having someone on Etsy(Pops) basically make me exact same pocket clip as on the Cold Steel AD 10 but have it configured to work with the screw hole pattern in the Demko AD 20.5👍
I really hate the odd/weird pocket clip on the Demko Ad 20.5!!! Why does there need to be a giant lanyard hole in the middle of the base of the pocket clip and why? Also, the two diagonal screw hole pattern of the pocket clip is weird and therefore makes it difficult to make aftermarket pocket clips. I know that Lynch Northwest makes a deep carry pocket for the Demko AD 20.5 but that aftermarket pocket clip is way too deep carry for my liking!!!! The Lynch Northwest AD 20.5 deep carry pocket clip actually has the top of the loop/end of the pocket clip higher than the end of the scales of the AD 20.5 so the AD 20.5 ends up being extremely deep carry and therefore the end of the handle rests below the seem of your pants pocket. I also never liked how skinny and thin Lynch Northwest makes their pocket clips, and how the tip of their pocket clips is always a harsh checkmark.
I agree that it is overpriced, but the $150 seems more reasonable to me than the $400+ for the AD20
Had a chance to buy one - the drop point one and passed. Sorry - don't like plastic and Aus10. Would have bought if it had 20cv or something similar. Love the lock, but not enough to pay more than I think it's worth. Have overpayed for plenty of exclusive Spyderco's, but needed to scratch the collecting itch for specific variant. Personally feel the AD20 is overpriced as well, but at least has proper steel and handles. Flame suit is on...
I'm gonna wait for a ti version 20.5
It's nice to see someone call out the horrible pricing on this knife. This is a really dirty move by Demko and I will probably never buy any of their knives. It's funny that you get a nice box, case and cloth but the knife is made out of such cheap materials. What a joke. I've always thought Benchmades and Spydercos were overpriced but they seem like a major bargain after seeing a knife like this priced at $150.
99.95$ imo ide pay a little extra for the lock and the Demko name but 150$ is crazy. Of course he's sold a ton but I think once the new where's off sales will drop...unless the price drops down to 100$ I would buy it at a 100$ but 150$ now a days getting close to titanium and premium steel.
Demko is essentially making sprint runs of this knife. He likely doesn’t have the financial backing to order thousands of knives at a time. I personally would be happier if the knife was even $25 cheaper. I would throw out $100 for it with no problem.
there is a quality control issue with this knife. see reviews on knifecenter or was it blade hq...forget
Approximately 250 thousandths made my decision. I went with the clip point.
the hype is factor for sure buts its also a smaller company. i doubt a smaller company like Demko Knives can push as much value as a larger company like Cold Steel. hopefully the money made off the AD20.5 gets reinvested back into the company.
I like the lock design but it’s tough to justify the price. The other thing I have a hard time understanding is about the 3V versions being so much higher than the K110/D2 versions. Isn’t 3V very similar to D2? I think they could have at least done something inexpensive, but good like a stainless product like 14c28N or 154CM. I honestly think it would have justified the cost a bit more. Knowing the OEM being Cold Steel they use a lot of AUS10 so in order to get his lock out to the masses and the fact that the Able Lock and his other locks and is probably Demko’s biggest source of sales made it a decent way to get a lot of them in the hands of users.
Aus10a is very comparable to 154CM
Right on. The AD20.5 isn't for you. :-) But, for me, it absolutely, "ROCKS!!!" :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)
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Just like you I heard what materials they were using on this,and, I was already disappointed.
A left handed clip ships with each knife in the pouch.
The Lock is the thing you pay for. You‘re right. I felt the Need to have the AD 20.5. But I will Go with your 2021 100 Dollar + Picks Hogue Deka V2 and K320 Nitron.
Yea the Hogue’s are 5x’s better than the 20.5… BUT, I also always have to add… as disappointed as I was with the 20.5, the original 20 is still one of my all-time faves!! 🔥🔥
@@WaynesSharpWorld I got that. But this Option is way too expensive for me overseas
Good review. I bought this knife in D2 & immediately regretted it. Exchanged it right away. Got the kizer cormorant instead: For $150, we should be getting s30v & g10. Maybe whenever there’s a significant revision, I’ll bite.
Its easy to find better at the 150 price point than this dempko in my opinion. That handle fuggly to my eyes for sure. Good review Wayne.
You seem underwhelmed, that stinks. Sell it to me!👍😆 great video as always brother.
if i had a hot product i'd make a cash grab too.. i bought one.. and i love it.. $150 is pocket change in the knife world if you don't live in value town
As always, thank you for your review and I respect your option and perspective. However, I advise you or anyone else who thinks this is “overpriced” to go to REC’s YT channel and watch the interview with Andrew Demko. He gives a full explanation regarding pricing and total cost it took for him to make this production knife. I have the clip point and love it and think it’s worth every penny.
So, second best action/deployment/fidgets in the industry.?
Good build quality?
It’s probably 60-100% more expensive than a comparable material coldsteel, but it’s a Demko therefore exclusive/coveted even in “mass”production form. This is still a very small release compared to spyderco, coldsteel or even benchmade. Economies of scale does apply.
Yeah, it’ll be available in better materials a year from now, and hopefully at the same price, but people are already buying it on the secondary for a markup.
The community set the demand based on availability and time frame not the materials.
Good business practices and market awareness resulted in the price.
As their partnership continues with the Taiwan factory you can expect more variety in materials etc. as demand adjusts you can expect the perceived value to shift.
Did I ever mention I’m an economist?
I’m eager to get mine. I’m eager to see a 154 cm or d2 AD20. I’m eager to see new blade shapes on both at a variety of price points. All of this will come. For those like me who can’t wait we have this if we are lucky enough to get it on the first wave.
I think you’ll enjoy where this run leads. I could be wrong, but it is a reasonable expectation.
Finally! Someone tells the truth. Thanks for that.
My two cents: Demko is making out-of-the-box decisions.
Make the scales easy to replace, then make it easy for aftermarket scales to fit the hardware, then get the cheapest possible scales to reduce cost. I bought RGT micarta scales and it thickened up the handle and made the use a whole lot batter, and using the stock hardware.
Also, this is Demkos kickstarter. Yes the ad20 was a success, but to get funds to ramp up production as quickly as possible you need money. If people pay $150 for cheap materials but good design, then that gives Demko room to grow and make more designs.
Now I'm waiting for the premium versions with better steel to show up. They'll probably still have grivory scales but there's already a couple companies working on releasing titanium scales.
I think this is a great way to raise funds and encourage people to customise their own knives without going the Hinderer Route.
The grivory scales are my biggest complaint on this knife. 😡 Makes it feel like a cheap $60 knife. I was gonna get the spyderco para 3 over this knife same price at $150 but I chose the ad 20.5 clip point. I'm kinda starting to have buyers remorse 🤦♂️
The AD 20.5 should be priced at $80-$90. The materials are very budget, as civivi knives prove. G10 and D2 or Nitro V for the $80 price range. Sure, the shark lock is awesome, and Andrew Demko is an awesome designer, but that doesn't warrant that price tag. But, before you try to convince me it does, go watch reviews on knives that have G10 and AUS10A, almost every review is "$60 for AUS10A is too much, it's just not that good". But slap a Demko name on there, and suddenly AUS10A is awesome, and plastic handles are overlooked. Hopefully, Demko significantly reduces the price on these because, yes, I want one, just not for that price.
This is not assuming this is you. This is just who we compete w/in the knife world, lol kinda
99% of knife guys vomit over grivory. 100% of "knife guys" that don't cut w/ their knives moisten up over interaction w/ designers/makers. "K.G.s" sell 20.5s for $250-$400 on eBay. They sell on eBay period. We all knew it was grivory, grivory flexes. If all you do is "fidget" w/ a knife, it's worth $150+. If you use your knife, like skinning back 750-0125 copper transformer cable might still be ok, but you'll be better grabbing a $40-70 aus10a bladed knife in g10 or steel bc it's gonna chew through that edge half a day. Considering the availability of the ad20 from dealers it's worth it if you want to try out the lock. .Or you could pay $750 after tax for a G10 from simps on eBay like I almost did last week, then I remembered I don't care for them as people, and proceed to wait, and wait to attempt beating them to the cart if I see my email in stock notification b4 them. Maybe I'll have one before I die. I'm 36
We all agree with you but we are still gonna buy it. 🤣💪🗡
I won't be buying it can easily find better at this price point
Already have a sharkfoot in route 🤣
In true knafbro fashion
Scrolling through these comments is a little disappointing. People are really out here thinking that Demko is gauging prices? To keep the price at 150 or below he used the best materials he could. Had he used a better steel, it would’ve costed significantly more for the machining cost as AUS10A is the best steel you can stamp-out. Grivory is an ehh, sure…but I’ve hear from many people that it feels just like g10 anyways so 🤷🏻♂️. Everyone needs to realize that the lock is what you pay for primarily on this knife, if you wanted S45 or 20CV or something similar, it would almost definitely cost over $200 and that’s without adding a different handle material to boot. Don’t get me wrong though, I’m not saying to go buy it if you don’t like 10A and grivory, I’m just saying that demko isn’t ripping you off.
You have to include the hype and reputation factors. That adds at least $25-30 to the overall price. Even with the shark lock, this would be $100 if it wasn’t Demko.
I'll say this. Bugout or this. This everytime. Not even close. That said yes the bugout is a little cheaper now but I'd gladly pay the extra 20 for this and I'll get over the aus10a to s30v difference. Dont care. Most the people that are gonna say it cost to much to have aus10a probably dont even use their knives enough to ever even notice and are just jumping on the steel bandwagon. You made all great points and I agree with them to an extent. i would have taken better handle scales ( preferably micarta then g10 ) over better blade steel everytime. And yes that platform for the clip just makes it worse. But you have to remember this is the cheapest they could have gone without sacrificing to much John and Andrew even said aus10a was the best they could do without having the price go up significantly more do to the manufacturing process , There are reasons for everything. AND you know someone is gonna make aftermarket scales. Think about the knives that are sub 100 . Yes there is alot and yes there are great ones BUT this is better simply because the locking mechanism and overall design. Personal opinion. That alone makes it worth it to me.
I am looking for an AD 20.5 but I bought 2 Bugouts from BHQ with G-10 and the 20cv blade for $149 each ...that’s the same price as this knife and the Bugout is made in Oregon ( if that matters a lot to you ).
I agree, I won’t buy any knife with those cheap plastic handles. They ruin Spyderco and now this one . Oh well, they will come out with one at least in G 10
As soon as I saw the price and made in Taiwan it was a hard pass for me. I might get an AD20 in the future though IF I win the lottery 😅
Aus 10 :/ I feel it's a money grab as well
Too many commercials
personally id take the thumbstud off.
First. Definitely looking forward to getting one
Great review! This knife, at that price is an absolute slap in the face to knife enthusiast. There is a price point for this knife, 65-85$
150$ for Aus10 and FRN? Disgusting.
I'm sending mine back
I’m sure once he up’s production on this knife he will use better materials for the same price after all he can’t compete with the likes of Spiderco, Cold Steel and the likes, just give the guy a break….
Overpriced, blade looks short compared to handle length, thick behind edge...no thanks
I agree Demko is cashing in and you're paying for the name and the lock and the hype. I also think it's a great user knife at 150 still, which is a hard thing to do with the AD20 when the secondary prices are what they are and the how big it is. And its more accessible and EDC-able size wise. Still less than a stock PM2.
I'm actually unsubscribing from you after this video because I feel like every video I check out are so focused on your needs and finding whiney personal nit-picks that you often miss the needs of other aspects of the community. Its such a downer to watch. I have enough friends I have to hear whine about their knives already. Just not what I'm looking for. Still wish you the best of luck! Just not what I'm looking for.
What are you looking for?
Don’t you come to knive reviews for the reviewer’s opinion?
Demko is devaluing his innovative engineering by marketing it as an overpriced knife with a "party trick" lock. His invention deserves better. He is overreaching with his first marketing foray into the broader market based on the hype of the full American Made AD20 and all the excitement it created. Fully justified excitement based on it's materials and US custom made fit and finish. This has none of that except the down sized lock and is overpriced They may be continuing to market this too quickly to try to ride the hype for all it's worth based on previews of newer custom AD20' with Ti scales and milling and some hand ground blade shape options in Elmax priced over $1000. Check Knife Joy.