@@Jonathanloh1992 yea cuz they think that they can get away from it, istg these people needs to be hunt down and arrested So that they'll think twice on whatever the fuck that they're gonna trying to do in the future 🙄
The worst part about this is the fact that these people aren't going to stop. They genuinely believe they're doing something right by harassing streamers. I hope Silver and the rest that are receiving hate recover well from this.
This is the reason why V-tubers need to be anonymous at certain point, to gain a proper disadvantage to the woke mob. NOT GETTING DOXXED. This scenario perfectly fits here. V-tuber need to camouflage themselves in order to not getting ignited for both communities.
@@PlaystationTaxation69999 how so if you have a big enough agency supporting you sueing this people into oblivion works just like when Rowling herself did it re recently slander is a crime
@@UnapologeticweebIf it's Hololive, then that makes much sense. If Vshojo could've taken the initiative like this sooner after it happened, we wouldn't have to see this taking place.
@@yakumoyomi5765 sadly that is the case. Based from this video I think Silvervale should just dunked their community and rebuild a new one silently. This just shows that to appease someone who they supported the most is not worth it especially when it is notoriously toxic ones.
It is sorta like the parlor incident. A bunch of leftist crazy activists went on there and spammed gay porn pictures and got banned and then they claimed victim as if they were being silenced for their views. You gotta wonder if these people are suffering from brain rot. I kinda just wish karma was real.
They always were monsters, they always were deranged. It's because people like Rev and Silvervale won't accept they are all deranged by default, and enabling them is making them go even more insane. Like Dude, what else did they expect from someone whose entire personality is about not just denying obsevable reality and madeup identities, but also threaten with cancellation (and their own CanaHealtcare) any person that doesn't validate your insanity??? They have ALWAYS been like this, crybullies addicted to powertrips and getting off to making you submit.
Who would've thought that attacking and accusing people of being monsters would result in people not siding with them. I truly, TRULY tried to understand how those people think and I come to a conclusion: Their desire is not of helping the other, but a selfish desire to be recognized as the most tolerante person or group, but the method is simply bring those even neutral to the idea so down that they might be under six foot under.
there's a couple i can think of who that definitely applies to, especially the first few that went viral doing this. but most are just lashing out because they want to do something but feel powerless.... so to twitter!!! i mean, fuck jk, i'm not gonna play the game. but i don't care if someone else does. no ethical consumption under capitalism, we live in a society, etc. etc. etc.
There has to be a wake up call to public figures like creators. You CAN NOT give in to these people. Youre not being harrassed, youre being BLACKMAILED. People need to band together and stand up to these creatures.
@@acapitala4936 the thing is, they won't because they are fully aware of the legal repercussion that will happen if they messed with holo or niji. V-shojo? Idk if they ever made as statement on it but they will go after indie Vtubers because they know they not legally protected
@SWIFTO_SCYTHE The Holomems that play are from the JP branch. Notice none of the EN branch (don’t know about ID) play/stream it. I think because the movement is basically stronger in the US/Europe so antis (if any) in a JP chat box will be lost in spam or the streamer just doesn’t understand (or pretends to) wtf they are yelling about. Unfortunately it’s a different situation so you can’t compare.
@@melloyurner7367 Well there was a comment on Pekora's vod saying that she's hurting trans viewers and should not stream, it was in a Japanese language too, but it got deleted because that commenter was being selfish and controlling, good thing it's only one bad person present and got took care of.
I gotta commend standing up for the truth of the matter, despite VShojo and you not being on good terms. It’s fucking vile how people lied about Silvervale and kept harassing her & others over a **video game**.
@@LoraLoibu “Is only game. Why you have to be so mad?” Also I should mention, I heard none of this shit when far more gross games like Hatred were released. The game got flack, then forgotten after a month. But never people who played the game.
You can tell the measure of a man by how he treats his enemies, not his friends. I am not super-happy with how Silvervale dealt with the Nuxtaku situation. But I do not believe she deserves this- I don’t buy into her “fostering a woke crowd” or “getting what she deserves,” here; this game meant something to her, and these people have ruined that for her. There is nothing satisfying about seeing her or anyone else streaming this game being treated like this.
@@Adorni Always defend people from wrong actions, no matter who, even if they themselves might have done wrong at some point. Justice above all else is always a good motto. Its good to know people like you commit yourself to what is right. May these Lynch mobbers get their karma.
This situation is one where I feel genuine hatred for the bullies on Twitter. This is cyberbullying, literal cyberbullying! These miserable little bastards on Twitter have the audacity to believe that they have the right to harass, dox, and send death threats to whoever dares to play the game. I am honestly convinced that the only way that this harassment will ever end is if Twitter burns to the ground.
Elon's working on it. And by that I mean he's either going to fix it for profit or... Gut it, sell off the scrap, then burn whatever is left of it to the ground.
@Blue Zenith that's the problem: these harassers are mostly "normal" people, sheeps who just follow the trend of the day. They don't even think for a second what they are doing, they just like in 1984 just show alligence in the 2 minutes of hate.
not just that but them throwing her under the bus as well like froot who when asked to go help silvervale simply said "we all make mistakes" implying she thought silvervale was in the wrong and refused to help her.
Mouse and Zen did talk about it. It ain’t terribly much but at the same time, Mouse did say that it was going to be handled behind the scenes. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see the company and her friends make a public statement supporting silver though. But if silver doesn’t want this to blow up even more through public statements then the least they can do is honor those wishes. And handle this matter until silver is comfortable.
Other then some other factors I feel as though other independent vtubers should be stepping up though in supporting her. Maybe they are behind the scenes too, but silver mentioned feeling alone in this awful time so, I can see the strong call for having her friends and others being more vocal about supporting her.
And they don't even see it. The more they scream and attack people, the more people they turn against their "movement". They're actually making people LESS tolerant by demanding everyone live up to the standards that they themselves refuse to live up to.
Maybe the pendulum is swinging back but at this point if it does, I don't see it ever being fixed again because both sides have fucked their movement and pushed it back about 100 years
things happening when people get encouragement when they genuinely need therapy instead.. because i'm 100% sure that some percentage of these people aren't trans but just have some existential crisis and just don't know what to do with themselves.. these ones need therapy.. not some flag-movement and these are the people going on riots
@@NoobNoobNews Hate to break it to you. Death threats haven't just begun. They have been occurring online for quite a long time now. Not saying it makes it ok. Just wondering how new you are to the internet. This your first day here?
Nothing is ever good enough for activists, my mom got screamed at by an activist in the 80s because even though my mom recycled it wasn't "good enough" in the activist's eyes
the thing about 'activism' is when the 'problem' gone then they out of job. thus they have to keep making up boogeyman to keep those activism title alive. even worse for professional activist who livelyhood depend on the existence of that 'problem'.
It's stuff like this which is why I'm subscribed to you. You defended Usaki-chan and never attacked Mandy. You have been fair in defending everyone so far.
It's so sad that people can do such awful and vile things. Doxxing with malicious intent should be illegal and they should be put to jail and have online usage monitored and/or removed.
it is illegal but due to the nature of the crime being online based the criminals that do it rarely ever get caught so it's sadly one of those crimes that should be enforced but by it's very nature is impossible to
@@gearsfan6669 Another issue is the definition of doxxing; a lot of people have their "private" information available for all to see on the internet already (through whitepages or social media, etc), the doxxer is just spreading it around. Can it really be illegal to share public information? It's very scummy all the same.
I don't usually go to twitter to actively engage with drama, I'll usually stay on the sidelines an just read what everyone is saying. But I was there for Silvervale's entire stream that the clips are from, I was pissed but I was keeping my emotions in check while listening to her struggling to speak through her crying...but whatever thin line I had that was holding me in check snapped when she transitioned to her ending screen, and you just hear all of the emotions she was holding back just burst out when she finally broke down into a full sobbing cry before she muted herself. That was when I knew I'd had enough of being on the sidelines and I had to let a few of those armchair activist have whatever it was I needed to say. You don't bring another human being down to that level emotionally and then wonder "Why are people not supporting us more?"
"You don't bring another human being down to that level emotionally and then wonder "Why are people not supporting us more?"" That's why I wonder if they're actually supporting the trans community or if they have other motivations because even some trans people can't stand them.
@@NewNecro And it's not like it was gonna work anyway, some people would've bought this game on purpose because of Streisand effect to make them upset. How brave coming from people with 2 followers compared to people with 2 million!
@@FlocAud4914 I think it's possible that these people just want an excuse to bully someone, so they do it under the guise of supporting a movement, probably not caring if what they do hurts the movement
@@alecrutz956 Yeah, probably, but they must be stopped. I didn't think they would be able to cause so much harm for so long over a freaking video-game and even get other Vtubers' support, approving harassment.
the delusion couldnt be more real. these people bully, harass, dox personal information, send death threats to, and just overall be exceptionally rude to streamers and their follows and they will swear ON GOD that theyre the good guys here. the biggest enemy of the lgbt community is themselves.
The alphabet community has always been like this, blackmail, corruption, harrasment and bullying is exactly how they got their class privileges and special protections, sorry I mean their "rights"
I'd hazard the biggest enemy is their so-called allies, (not the actual ones, but the online hate-tivists); most LGBT+ folks I know want to be left alone... well, and to be fabulous
@@coresyndicate9184 their "god" is basically social activism and politics. That's all they care about. They claim to be atheist, but they literally worship those things. They do things fanatical cultists do like chant oaths, threaten to ostracize people within their circles if they don't comply to their "religion," obsess on certain things, see anyone that disagrees with them as an "evil sinner," estrange themselves from family/friends, hang out in echo chambers, alter their appearance to be like the rest of their group, and such. ClownfishTV even had a video from a few months ago pointing out how all this "social justice activism" has become a religion or cult.
@Dummy Nerd Yes, yes you are. None of you ever condemn objectively wrongful actions. You always go "REEEE you're generalizing" or "REEEE not all". You aren't against what they're doing, you're all for it - as long as you're not held responsible if things go sour.
This is upsetting. Silver is one of the most lovable and easygoing people I've ever seen and she doesn't deserve this. Seeing her cry is painful to me. Everyone tell silver you love her and let's try to repair some of the damage that's been done.
Lemmie clarify; we can "bully" these people by talking excessive amounts of smack. The goal isn't to bully people into suicide. If they do commit suicide, that's their problem. Start treating their mental illness with indifference, the rest will work itself out.
@@BlitzedNostradamus The problem is that they will just act like martyrs and the backlash harassment will make them justify their existence. They want it because they want to be part of a movement thinking they are the second coming of Martin Luther King Jr.
I've read some Twitter comments trying to justify the harassment by saying this is what a trans person deals with everyday. If that's true you would think they would not want to inflict similar persecution onto another over a video game. I have to wonder how many trans people are the aggressors versus their allies to the cause. "I have permission to mistreat other people I do not personally know because I am doing it for trans-rights." I suspect some who support the boycott don't see the controversy as merely who's playing a video game, but as a sort of litmus test for the true faithful; true allies for the community. Those that fail the test are deserving of the harshest punishment. For these absolutists there are only two answers. Either you are with them or you are an enemy.
right now as in current year? 90 percent of them are the agressors because 90 percent are freaking trenders with no proven diagonosed disphria. its just people want the lable because it lets you get away with nearly ANYTHING as the current "protected class".
If Silver did hold those bigoted views, we would know. She made a nearly hour long video addressing and trying to clear up any "misconceptions", except here's the thing, there's isn't nearly as much as people probably think, at the end of the day these people just want to use their moral high horse to harass people. Saddest part, they can't just ignore it. Hope this blows over soon, hope the harrassers just get bored.
@@demochris1786 Sorry to tell you this, but SilverVale quitting, that wouldn’t be bad news at all, that only means she’s able to break away that agency’s subpar management. Unless they decide to clean themselves, the odds are likely their. Ironmouse is probably talking with her now, but I don’t know if it will help.
I overheard Ironmouse is talking to her regarding the situation. Let’s just assume Mouse’s got it and Silver can pick herself back up with her on her side.
@@Aaaa-g6u8e TWICE!? When did she get harassed for the second time? I thought she got harassed once and took some time off after cancelling her stream. Maybe I underestimated those bullies...
Ive bought the game recently and its for a purpose; Ive seen some of my favorite streamers and Vtubers being harrassed, death threats etc, and all the pointless virtue signalling from idiots who think that death threats and harrassment is the side of reason. So this is me making a move to piss them off and I FULLY intend to post clips and pics to my twitter to piss them off further. This is about principle that you never give in to a bully. Its the willingness to die on the hill of your beliefs. What they did to Silvervale and other streamers is completely unacceptable
@@liquidbismuth1044 Well of course! That way they can act like shitheels, and when people rightfully get angry and strike back, they can whine and cry about how "trans people are so bullied!"
Silver deserved NONE of this. She's such a wholesome VTuber and shes so sweet. shame on everyone bullying her. hypocrites. all of them. if they really cared, then the last things they'd be doing is what they're doing now.
The fact that she was so excited about all the things in the game as well during the stream. Anyone with even half a working brain would be able to tell she's not playing it to be a transphobe. She's playing it cause she a huge fucking fan of harry potter and it's her dream come true. People are fucking heinous when they're able to hide behind a username istg
@@markF0601 Froot is just keeping herself under control. If she acted honestly about it, it would backfire on her. I'm a little surprised Nyanners hasn't thrown Silver under the bus.
These kinds of people need to quit clinging to their phones desperate for clout and need to get a life rather then hollowing away in their little homes.
You know it's rather hilarious and horrifying that people manage to find time to harrass someone over a game that they just want to have fun with instead and not look at themselves in the mirror for 1 second. I really hope Vale get through this, I'm not a Vshoujo viewers but it's disgusting that she got this much hate over a game. Part of me kind of wish that the other Vtubers would ask help from others, Calli has seen no shortage of Antis and the Holo ID barely take anyone's shit
it just show you that how important grew a certain audience or you should really stand up to the bullies like hololive id even take action. and never chatter to a wider audience make sure your fans are not mentally like twitter. i see many youtuber like asmongold respond it very appropriately by making sure his audience is not the one controll him and defend him when bullshit like this goes down
What's even more disgusting is these people trying to excuse their actions. One example being is one person on twitter tweeted "Pikamee accepted she was wrong and grew as a person now" nevermind the fact Pikamee did nothing to deserve the harassment she got! No one deserved the harassment they got! All this is messed up.
Honestly? If she had actually banned the word, under those circunstances, it would be 100% justifiable. She had all the right to do so to shut up all the whinners annoying her.
They are. It is illegal to send death threats and doxx but they aren't allowed to charge you with a crime unless you get arrested for something else beforehand
It is, it’s just hard to do and the time it takes to go through with the lawsuit isn’t really worth it in the end. It might be even harder for someone who wants to file a lawsuit while staying anonymous but I could be wrong on that one.
I am more ticked off than I have ever been, she was literally just reliving her childhood likes and all she got for it was harassment. They have made a true enemy of me, as little as I can do. Hearing her sad, scared sobs REALLY lit a fire in my heart and it is still hard to listen to even now. The hate mob essentially did the automod thing to themselves with that massive wave of swarming other streamers (if these people actually paid attention, they would have known this, though they would probably ignore the facts to be honest), OF COURSE automod was going to respond to key words used in recent harassment. At this point, they are spreading disinformation, not misinformation. Disinformation is the same as misinformation with one exception, disinformation is intentional. I would urge anyone capable to go support her in any way they can, she needs to know that people are still in her corner. It was a genuine joy to see her react to getting the same wand she had on her old account as a kid and when the owl approaches the castle and I said as much in her RUclips comments (it is known that Vshojo talents manage their own social media and other things while any management is more for behind the scenes things, which any protection she may require and any action taken against the harassment would fall under, though she may understandably be gone for a while to sort herself out).
I hate this type of bullying and with one of the sweetest person I watched through high school, The way she was I never seen Silvervale like that and I hope she gets through this
I honestly do feel for her for I've had a similar thing happen to me on Twitter and all I was doing was collecting backgrounds for future cosplay photos. It is sad that people cannot separate fact from fiction in multiple ways and for those of us who have been playing the game can tell them the game is more diverse than all 12 of the Wizarding World films and you do meet a trans character, a witch who has a wife and another witch who is looking for the right witch to come along in the main story line. There is that much representation in this game that the native Scottish people of the area are a minority when compared to the south east asian population of the game. This is the Harry Potter game they said they wanted. I do hope Silvervale gets the support needed.
Not to mention the owner of the Three Broomsticks tavern in Hogsmeade, who is a trans woman and is respected by and beloved by her patrons and community to the point that the absolute instant someone unsavory shows up and she tries to protect you, EVERYONE in there immediately jumps in to help as soon as the wands come out. Not because she's trans, but because her community loves and respects her, and if that's not Trans empowerment, I don't know what is.
@@lightninstriker10 The funny thing about this is that they all see the "Sir" part of the name and froth at the mouth without knowing that the name Sirona is from a Celtic goddess of healing.
Majority of trans ppl seem to be okay with the game because they aren't insane. Seems like most of the harassment is coming from straight white women who are just looking to be saviors for clout and likes.
When Rev has to speak in defense of content creators who have banned his name in their discord then we have truly come full circle in this hellscape we call clown world.
This is even worse than clown world because that's supposed to be entertainment right? But no, we live worse than clown world. HELL. Nothing but unadulterated HELL along with mischievous demons.
When this happens to you, even your own enemies can come out and defend you as well as sympathise with you, if you have people like that, who needs enemies tbh
Thank you so much for clearing this up with simple, straight to the point facts. This is really just sad. People suck. Wish everyone will be alright through this whole mess.
I am just hoping some kind of legal action is taken, because this is extremely deranged behavior. If you are someone who threaten someone's life, then there is nothing good going on in your head.
People like that have no problem harassing people because they think that nothing will happen to them because there hiding behind a computer screen and that's just plain sick and disgusting
Oh no, they could go public and you would genuinely have people defending them. This is not because theyre behind computer scream, theyre doing because they are told over and over that theyre doing a good thing.
They can get blocked, ignored and go away. Whatever their ideology is, whether they think they're defending trans rights, women rights, Harry Potter fans, hexagons... they're just acting like bullies and destroying people!
Something worth bringing up, a few days ago someone online called Rowling a Natzi and her response was "apologize or I'll see you in court". The news media went ape over it but that's how you deal with these crazy people, if they get serious in these hate and harassment campaigns then enforce a lawsuit towards these rambling mouths from further harassment. Not suggesting Silvervale should do this but at the very least VShoujo should make some statement like this if these "fans" are endangering their talents.
That's literally just a violation of freedom of speech and would never fly in the US. Only rich people who have enough money for top lawyers in the UK with their lacking laws can get away with this. This guy actually got mail about having to delete tweets because else he would be financially ruined by Rowling in court. If Caitlyn Jenner with her deep pockets shut someone up with a lawsuit over being called a groomer would you react the same way?
I honestly don’t know what vshojo does besides merch. Like from all I’ve ever heard of them they’re very hands off which one of the talents even stated as saying the group is talent first and not agency first. Vshojo probably won’t do anything looking at how they handled past things like with Nux, but who knows maybe management has changed and they are more protective of their talents now. So far they haven’t done anything and none of the girls are publicly doing anything
Strong disagree. I think that a lawsuit can be appropriate if it’s someone with a decent sized following slandering you, but making an example out of some random person with no influence is a bit much. At the very least it isn’t good PR to do that, even if it’s justified. Silver is also not that kind of person, I would never recommend someone try to emulate Rowling’s actions lol.
@@DiamonDustin that case, let’s look at the Vic Mangiona controversy a few years ago. From what I heard Vic should’ve done was target Anime News Network as they wholeheartedly slandered and accused him without apology and still do whenever his name is brought up. With that in mind if VShoujo made an announcement where they protect their employees from said slander would that help reduce the harassment? I know that Rowling is the “hisssssss don’t speak her name” but let’s be honest, lawsuits are nothing to take lightly and it gets to the point fast. After all if these people are really activists then they should be aware of facing some kind of backlash when they do real damage. It’s fine if you strongly disagree but it’s always there if there’s enough evidence to form an argument.
@@Hemeltijd You can say anything you want but nobody is immune from criticism or backlash, for all we know Caitlin Jenner could be doing anti progressive work but there’s no evidence nor am I aware of it whatsoever to say. On a side note, why is free speech brought up when there’s major consequences from what you say?
Silvervale is literally the sweetest, cutest Vtuber ever. I don't give a damn what issue someone may have with her. The harassment and bullying Silver received is absolutely disgusting and unacceptable. The bullying and harassment everyone has been getting for simply trying to enjoy a damn game, being a fan of a series is unacceptable and disgusting. Hearing Silver cry on stream broke my heart dude. I hope she's alright.
That stream was absolutely heartbreaking to watch. Silvervale has always been just the kindest person, and I feel sick to my stomach that this is happening to her.
Since she isnt quite english speaking in culture she doesnt know how agressive the progressive people have gotten about harassing people. Its heartbreaking.
It's funny that all these people on Twitter are calling people transphobic for playing a game but they're using an app that's runned by a person who I heard might be transphobic
Well they apparently were all going to quit twitter sorta like how people say they are going to move to canada after an election. Sometimes I just wish it would actually happen and people with their mental illness harassing attitude could just rot in a cesspool.
"who I heard might be transphobic." Is that really all you got? Rumors and drama? There are much better things in life to care about than what some rich person thinks.
Friend of mine introduced me to Silvervale literally just yesterday. I'm not big on vtubers personally (nothing against them, I just generally don't watch streaming content) but I did see a 10 minute vid of her playing Hogwarts. She was having so, so much fun. You can tell she was a huge Potterhead. Everything in the game dazzled her and she was genuinely having the time of her life. I saw the comments underneath and thankfully it was all in full support of her. But some mentioned the hate as well, and it really saddened me. These armchair activists are just...bitter. Absolutely. Bitter. They don't care about trans folk, because if they did, they wouldn't be using the same tactics trans folk have been fighting against for many, many years. I'm a broken record in that regard at this point so I won't go further. Instead, all I'll say is that I hope those streaming or just enjoying the game know they are being supported. These armchair activists have completely lost sight of the actual goal, and thus they are not to be listened to. They're just trolls. Disgusting, inhuman, trolls.
Thank you, I agree. The LGBT community has fought for decades trying to get people to let them live in peace and these children just wrecked it all so bad, a lot of people are just swinging around right back to straight up bigotry.
@@suddenlycrows The main issue is in all modern activism the core belief is that the "oppressed" have no only the right, but the duty to hate their "Opresser"
@@bengrogan9710 which is just disgusting imho. Like why meet hate with hate. Like someone else here said, I hope the western LGBT crazy stays in the west.
@@LoraLoibu well yea people can dislike them but we're not actively looking to attack them, doxx them, etc. Silvervale hasn't done anything wrong here, anyone celebrating this might as well be labeled a monster.
You don't owe anyone anything, you have the right to block people who just want to harass you. Especially if you won whatever arguments they tried to start with you in the first place. If they act like they've won just because you blocked them, then they've already lost and nothing they say will change the fact that they did.
They went after SilverVale when Cover can and will sue them. So they have to go VShojo knowing how mismanaged they are and prone to stab each other in the back. I’m critical of them, but this is an unwarranted attack Silver is completely innocent by all accounts.
@Cody Boutdy That's exactly it. These people actually fear people who not only CAN slap them with consequences, but will. Like that dumbass who folded like origami when Rowling threatened to sue him over his nonsense.
usually less than 5% - at 8%+ they start becoming vocal that this is making them look bad and then they start internal virtue signalling so they can be seen to "Be a good Ally"
There was also a person who is Jewish also got harassed by one of those people doing the mass harassment and bullying campaigns yesterday on Twitter. From what that person showed, that one guy participating in a massive harassment and bullying campaigns pretty much lecturing him what he should and should not find to be offensive to the Jewish community. And all over a video game. Yeah.............this is just completely fucked up.
A big reason of why this has felt so annoying for me has been the constant use of the term "ally". Somehow, Hogwarts Legacy, OF ALL THINGS, is where people have decided that everyone must choose a side. You're either an ally or a target, if you simply choose to just live your own life not bothering anybody, but also not loudly and publicly declaring your allegiance to their cause, they pretty much label you as an enemy. Pikamee just wanted to live her life, do her own thing and enjoy the game, nobody has heard from her ever since that whole mess happened. Silver just wanted to live her life, do her own thing, recapture a positive part of her childhood and enjoy the game, she ends up doing a 45 minute stream, barely holding her emotions together. And these absolute buffoons on twitter will sit there, hands on their hips, heads to the sky, thinking they are the heroes of this story as they leave a path of emotionally broken steamers in their wake.
You can tell this issue is purely on western Twitter, because a good chunk of Hololive's ID and JP girls have been playing Hogwarts Legacy since release and they've been having a ball with it and all of their Japanese and English viewers have been nothing but praise. Moona from Hololive ID for example played it at early release launch for like ten hours, and while I can't read Japanese or Indonesian, the occasional English message in chat was positive. That should tell you just how small this outrage is.
@@ReiseLukas most likely not, definitely not calli seeing as they already hate her and someone is most likely waiting to gain anything new to try and cancel her with
@@ReiseLukas Bae did a fun stream before Hogwarts Legacy releases, going over all the named spells in Harry Potter and she got a small amount flack on Twitter from the crazies. I think she did plan on playing it, but management may have saw the drama brewing and steered their English talents away to do a wait and see. The HoloEN girls will probably play it once the drama dies down and the crazies have moved onto the next anthill... probably Atomic Heart.
It's the west that is pushing this kind of cult mentality until every disagreement or differing opinion is considered violence and litteraly kills people so yes this is a strict western problem
@@cytorakdemon and by then they will barely get any views making them loose loose didnt get the views from the new hot game and wiill still be harssed for playing it latter anyway,
I'm trans and the thing that hurts most about all this is not the wizard game itself, but the "activists" harassing genuinely nice and supportive streamers in the name of trans rights. it's doing more harm than good to all parties involved including the trans community by making us all look like monsters. and for me to have this opinion some would think I'm 'faking it', and that's so dehumanising. of all people anyone who's transgender should understand what that feels like, and why you shouldn't go around treating others like lesser people for enjoying what they love. I really hope silvervale can recover from this hate and everyone else who's been affected.
I have been personally in a similar position as silver vale, which I understand how it feels like being accused from a certain group for having a neutral take on a situation that happen recently and misinformation being spread about me and close friends being unhinged because of public opinion/ collective outrage
I been following this and it's so hilarious for them. They limit the responses after there bad takes, deflect, protect there twitter after the backlash, and now are acting like victims when people attacked back. It's hilarious to see
Last time I checked, JK Rowling didn't came up with The Gestaporino Reimagined For Modern Audiences. They're fighting fascism with ultra fascism. Peak irony.
@@dylives7667 you mean outside the hundreds of comments under the videos of rev "exposing" the vtubers where you lot laugh and say "this didnt go well the last time" and "we destroyed the last anti and we will do it again" bro you clowns are hypocrites that love child p*rn and cancel culture anyone that doesnt agree with your mental illness
The people is “that” movement are the worst people around, how on earth they can endlessly harass people just for playing a game and still claim they’re the good guys, it’s mind boggling.
It's because people like Rev and Silvervale won't accept they are all deranged by default, and enabling them is making them go even more insane. Dude, what else did you expect from someone whose entire personality is about not just denying obsevable reality and madeup identities, but also threaten with cancellation (and their own CanaHealtcare) any person that doesn't validate your insanity??? They have ALWAYS been like this, crybullies addicted to powertrips and getting off to making you submit.
Well they're so oppressed that almost every industry, regulation, and legislation caters to them and their nonsense. Very oppressed and very humble, please give more privileges, I mean "rights"
This is so damn sad, Silver does not deserve this 😢. It hurts so much to hear her cry, especially as a fan of hers. What’s worse is they even went after people she cares about, how fucked up is that? That’s just pure evil. I hope her friends and community can support her, and that she can mentally recover soon from this horrible harassment.
I have my criticism towards SilverVale and VShojo as a whole, however, this is unwarranted. But now I’m getting hearsay’s Froot just threw her under the bus, that’s where I decided to say “That’s it, SilverVale, you’re not taking this defamation anymore.”.
The shit Froot supposedly said, was in her own stream, when she was doing art. Someone then clipped that out of context, and tried framing it a certain way, as they always do. That's why the "criticism" of content creators in general, is based off of lies, half truth, and overall, bullshit.
it almost happened to bae but holo is on youtube and jokes aside youtube comments and chats tend to be less toxic than twich chats and while there is overlap in fanbase the holo community from what I have seen tends to be less toxic to both other fans and streamers than the vshojo fandom is
Gura would roast the hell out of them on stream. Ina and Kiara, not so much, i think they are more vulnerable to online bullying. But if that ever happen, Cover will take legal action
Not while Cover has the go ahead to sue slanderous Twitter users. These antis can’t attack Hololive now that legal action is in play and will enact on it.
@@elapidpython4378 twitch at this point is a dumb I don't get why people still use it when they fuck over there creators harder then even RUclips have a frankly ridiculous number of adds get screwed in a discoveribility hellhole and that is not even talking twitch changing there mind and retroactively ban people causing certain people to have too delete all there vlogs tldr fuck twitch
J.K Rowling's tweets were made in June/July 2020. It took them 2 and 1/2 years to attempt to boycott a product from her. It shows that they really don't care about trans rights otherwise they would've gave a shit earlier. Not only did they pick the laziest way to boycott a product, they also heavily failed at it. They had 2 and 1/2 years to boycott Universal Studios tickets, the books, LEGO sets, etc. but they didn't cuz they don't care about trans people
I bet they didn't even read the tweets or know what she said. The "intelligent college educated" activists need not bother with that but Book woman bad! Grrrr! Cause she essentially killed tons of trans people with her comments.
@@KuroMochiKimchi It makes them look even lazier when they harass streamers. Like what? Maybe boycott Gamestops or Steam or something like that. They're picking at leaves instead of the branches or even the roots
@@KuroMochiKimchi Well that cult of zealots in the religion of "woke" believe that if you disagree with anything of theirs in any capacity, that you are a hateful bigoted killer who deserves to be cancelled, censored, and attacked. They're very loving and accepting though, you see.
Even if they did, what would they do? Harass every LEGO fan? Harass every single phone or computer user, including themselves then, because it "supports" child work in Africa?
@@FlocAud4914 If they don't want to be hypocritical about ethical consumption, then yes. If they cared about trans rights, then yes they would boycott everything J.K gains royalties from. Hogwarts Legacy is a small fraction of her royalties compared to how much people would spend when they go to the Wizarding World in Universal Studios. Easily spends more on one trip to there then they ever would buying the Deluxe Edition and will continue to do so for many years.
I remember seeing Silver absolutely break down on stream because of this harassment. Its so heartbreaking to see so many people go out of their way to send death threats for a simple game.
@Aquas what you call being professional I call being silly at best and down right stupid at worst. When you have two enemies tearing at each other’s necks you don’t step in to save one of them you let them tear each other apart if you step in to defend one enemy the other one will plant a knife in your back has soon has one is defeated. The enemy of my enemy is not a friend their just someone who wants to kill some other poor fool before they kill you.
I had talked to my mum about J.K Rowling, and to answer on this whole "oh she's transphobic" claim, lemme say this and listen well because this is very truth and far from what thought of her. As a trans person please be aware and reasonably kind! I will not tolerate hate period! But J.K Rowling's tweet was NOT about her being transphobic, she was referring to when ppl expose young children under age of 13 and so on from surgery at a very young age, her tweet was about trans children being exposed to something too young of a age specifically. And I mean it! Trans children under 13 are WAY too young to get surgery at those ages! J.K Rowling suffered in her life (this is personal to her so sadly I wont talk of it) but no, people took this out of context of her tweet and falsely accused her of something she was not! As a trans person myself! Talking about this with my mum made me realize that people on cancel culture or just people with no brain that have no common sense or human decency, take things sensitively and too far to think they are in the right when they are obviously in the wrong! People these days are selfish!
The first time I heard about the funny wizard game controversy, I knew that this wasn't about defending trans people, it was about feeling justified to bully, or even doxx, and sending death threats to people they don't like. They feel justified in destroying not only someone's life but also the people around them. It is horrifying that these bullies are given a platform to do these awful things, and I hope for the safety of Silvervale and her relatives and friends.
I don't like Vshojo at all. But watching that Silvervale explanation stream was... heartbroken. We also need to point out the fact that basically Froot backstabbed her
@@knoxts9577 From what I can tell, Froot advocates for trans right by donating to a charity regarding “Diverse Trans-Children”. News came and said one of the members came out as a kiddie diddler, the same time SilverVale did heartbreaking stream. Froot was in the chat and from what I can paraphrase, “Everyone makes mistakes, that’s how it is.”, implying that she thinks Silver made a mistake playing the game. That’s the straw that broke the camel’s back.
@@knoxts9577 Froot was making a mute art stream, one viewers write in chat to help Silvervale because she was made the explanation stream crying, and she just typed that "everyone makes mistakes". Check on twitch the other day stream by Kirsche, at 4:10:40
@@achmedycreedo Yep, while Silvervale is being attacked for playing Hogwarts Legacy, instead of giving her morale support, Froot made a tweet mentioning she would stay away from that game as far as possible, which makes Silver looks worse, and continue making another Tweet pandering to Silver's attackers. Who needs enemies when you have a "friend" like this in your group. Now I am worried for Kson and Nazuna for being in the same group as these backstabbers.
And this is one of the many reasons why everytime someone asks me why I'm against the "trans activists", this is one reason why. I know not all trans people are like this, but everytime I see or hear about shit like this, my impressions of these"activists" just goes lower and lower.
Its very ironic that the people who claim to be supporting the trans community by harassing and harming those who play this game are not only giving trans people a bad rep but placing them into more danger by giving actual transphobes a stronger reason to discriminate and bully them.
If they just left people alone NONE of this would have happened. Especially those snake-ass people that clamed to be Silver's friend. They know they hurt their own more than anybody that REALLY hates them.
@@lunabnuuy3206 Which isn't fair a lot of people are catching strays because a LOUD selection of people messed up. Harassment, threats and trolling on burner accounts. Thus leaving a lot of people to wonder wth is going on. Since it shouldn't be that deep. They should have let people live instead of pulling all involved into the mud for no reason.
@@ExeErdna mhm, could be possible that people are doing this to purposely deteriorate the trans community, it just hurts seeing how much one little vocal group can make so many others turn their backs on us, the trans people that don’t want to get involved and just want it all to end. I’m trying to educate people saying that all this but I’m just called atrocities, I don’t even know why I try
@@lunabnuuy3206 The troublemakers within the trans community shouldn't have given the loud provokers and trolls ammo to hurt people with the "don't play the game or else" Since we now know the "else" is threats and doxxing. I think they did this because some people *need* drama to feel valid. Yet why demand people to do something. When their whole existence is based on not listening to others and doing what made them happy. Thus leaves people like you trying to clean something you didn't even mess up.
i’m someone who sees her content more often, sure i still remember what Vshojo did to Nux but i just leave that in the past and everyone did the same, they move forward and that is good. She has been a amazing person, wholesome and even funny in her streams which make me have a good time when i want but now seeing this happen to her… man, this just shows me that the people who cancel her or anyone for the wrong and stupid reasons are just people who has brain damage and even mental health issues that needs therapy or something else. I feel bad for her and even seeing this happen to her friends too is so sad… hope she gets good and the people who did this, somehow pay for their actions.
On your first paragraph, I may also leave it in the past, but I still refuse to support them because doing what they did speaks to their character, both on an individual level and as a company. That having been said, she doesn't deserve what the mob is doing to her, and I do feel bad for her. Hopefully she has the fortitude to pull through and not cave to the crazy.
@@momentomori1747 yeah… this is not right by any means, i like her content, maybe not tie with Mouse or Zen but she make me laugh and more. This is just unacceptable and hope she can go forward after this… this was a coward move for the antis and stupid people.
There is a line between activist and terrorist. An activist stands up to push awareness. Make news and media to find a way of change. A terrorist stands up to terrorize others to get their way in change.
i've honestly had to stop midway in the video because i'm so upset by people. they go by the first thing they hear and seeing this kind of twitter users also being 'against harassment' and then doing it because suddenly its 'ok' its just, ugh idk great video as always Rev tho, have a nice day everyone
The only time I have blocked a human before on discord was when I was blocked by them and was genuinely terrified of them unblocking me and harassing me more.
This whole Hogwarts Legacy controversy reminds me of the moral panic over the Joker movie. Only cranked up to 11. All I really know about Silver is that she has some based taste in games, so I hope she recovers from this emotionally.
Essentially it is the Crazy religious people who were trying to ban harry potter in the late 90s early 2000 because they thought it was turning people into devil worshippers. Funny that these activists seem to repeat history.
The harassment hurts us even worse, I a trans person even made posts saying NOT TO HARASS or bother anybody that yes it's nice to stand up for what you believe in but to fight with hate isn't the way to go about it, I've said "Hey don't lump all of in because I can assure you not all trans people wanted this to happen." and what happens? "ALL TRANS PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM, YOU'RE TRANS SO YOU ARE THE PROBLEM." When I just wanted to peacefully boycott this game I gave my two cents which was "I don't wanna play this game, I can't tell you what to do with your money but inform and if you wanna still play it then cool that's what you wanna do." There's a time and place for everything like Rev said, harassment isn't good for anybody and I hope the people harassing others realizes "Oh shit, this is doing more harm than good." Which it 100% is doing way more harm than anything, we're losing support because people are doing this kind of shit.
I get ya girly, this whole thing has just been so ridiculous I’m trans myself and I seriously don’t care for the game, I’ll never play it but that’s because it’s my own opinion on the subject I seriously hate how much this is going to hurt the trans community in the future and it’s especially sickening knowing some of if not most of the loudest voices harassing others are cis. Yes their hearts are in the right place but it’s a video game just let people who want to play it, play it. If they want to be an activist so bad they should be getting out there to deal with actual ongoing problems against trans people. Sorry for the rant I’m just so sick and tired of all this, it breaks my heart
For the people saying it's acceptable to send death threats and harassment, or that the people playing the game "deserved it", well... I really hope you NEVER do ANYTHING that could be deemed "questionable" from now on. Because otherwise, if you start getting death threats, doxxed, harassed, and screamed at, well, you deserve it, and you'd best not complain about it.
and they absolute refuse to see reality when you show it to them and respond with violence to 99 percent of disagrements. im seeing anglled spiral and hammer n sickle in my head right now.
Doesn't matter, both sides have always had fanatical zealots, including those that claim to be atheist. They may not be religious, but the far-left sure do worship their activism and politics, and behave cult-like. They use "good causes" to justify their toxic behavior. It's basically a "convert or die" situation like the Spanish Inquisition.
This is why I try not to make friends or trust anyone who are fellow vtubers, they'll turn on you the moment you play something that the mov hates that day.
From a failed boycott to a straight up harassment campaign. It is no wonder why online activism is so useless and pointless.
No wonder sir
*_Waiting for Slasher warned everyones here that turtle are a bot that steals other people comments_* 😏
And they'll cry HATE CRIME when they receive the same courtesy.
@@esincorporated6123 These people on Twitter needs to get into the court.
@@Jonathanloh1992 yea cuz they think that they can get away from it, istg these people needs to be hunt down and arrested
So that they'll think twice on whatever the fuck that they're gonna trying to do in the future 🙄
The worst part about this is the fact that these people aren't going to stop. They genuinely believe they're doing something right by harassing streamers. I hope Silver and the rest that are receiving hate recover well from this.
This is the reason why V-tubers need to be anonymous at certain point, to gain a proper disadvantage to the woke mob. NOT GETTING DOXXED. This scenario perfectly fits here. V-tuber need to camouflage themselves in order to not getting ignited for both communities.
Your other comments has gotten shadowbanned by RUclips again.
@@PlaystationTaxation69999 how so if you have a big enough agency supporting you sueing this people into oblivion works just like when Rowling herself did it re recently slander is a crime
@@UnapologeticweebIf it's Hololive, then that makes much sense. If Vshojo could've taken the initiative like this sooner after it happened, we wouldn't have to see this taking place.
you lot didnt stop harassing other vtubers when they said loli p*rn was bad
stop acting moral loser
These people who claim to be the "good guys" just truly evil at its finest.
@@kilo1901 Yup. Not much difference.
@@kilo1901 except the satanic panickers were mocked and ignored while these people have actual power over the media and every major company
Yep. Like I said the one who basically yaps alot about ideology and what is right often times hides nasty shits
Unfortunately, they're so hung up on being "right" that they aren't interested in being "correct".
@@yakumoyomi5765 sadly that is the case. Based from this video I think Silvervale should just dunked their community and rebuild a new one silently. This just shows that to appease someone who they supported the most is not worth it especially when it is notoriously toxic ones.
Imagine spamming “trans” in a stream so much the bots had to ban the word, then you have the audacity to complain about the word being banned
It is sorta like the parlor incident. A bunch of leftist crazy activists went on there and spammed gay porn pictures and got banned and then they claimed victim as if they were being silenced for their views. You gotta wonder if these people are suffering from brain rot. I kinda just wish karma was real.
A fully functional Twittard brain in a nutshell:
Ironically, I think that term used to be an insulting slur.
@@beauwalker9820 Yeah it came from tr***y and they held a march saying they were going to repurpose the word with pride and stuff like that.
The boycotters have become what they hated: monsters. They bully and harass so they can feel good sitting behind their keyboards. It's unacceptable.
That's the thing, They always where.
@@bengrogan9710 I know.
They always were monsters, they always were deranged.
It's because people like Rev and Silvervale won't accept they are all deranged by default, and enabling them is making them go even more insane.
Like Dude, what else did they expect from someone whose entire personality is about not just denying obsevable reality and madeup identities, but also threaten with cancellation (and their own CanaHealtcare) any person that doesn't validate your insanity???
They have ALWAYS been like this, crybullies addicted to powertrips and getting off to making you submit.
no no no, they don't hate being a monster or bullying and harassings
they hate it when they aren't the only ones with the ability to do so
@@tumamaencosplay Ya se que estás repitiendo el mismo mensaje en varios comentarios pero solo quería decir:
Basadisimo
Who would've thought that attacking and accusing people of being monsters would result in people not siding with them.
I truly, TRULY tried to understand how those people think and I come to a conclusion: Their desire is not of helping the other, but a selfish desire to be recognized as the most tolerante person or group, but the method is simply bring those even neutral to the idea so down that they might be under six foot under.
there's a couple i can think of who that definitely applies to, especially the first few that went viral doing this. but most are just lashing out because they want to do something but feel powerless.... so to twitter!!!
i mean, fuck jk, i'm not gonna play the game. but i don't care if someone else does. no ethical consumption under capitalism, we live in a society, etc. etc. etc.
These "actives" just want to hold power against people. They do not care for the movement only power.
Welcome to progressive politics.
@@varnix1006 ugh... we could fix the world if we'd knock off the infighting over bullshit.
yup, the most tolerant group that attacks and denounces the same people they pretend to be an ally of if they go against their will...
There has to be a wake up call to public figures like creators. You CAN NOT give in to these people. Youre not being harrassed, youre being BLACKMAILED. People need to band together and stand up to these creatures.
I want to see Hololive and Nijisanji shut down these antis - good luck canceling Pekora of house Slytherin.
Did they try this on talents from hololive and niji too? I'm interested to see their pathetic attempts at the big names.
@@acapitala4936 the thing is, they won't because they are fully aware of the legal repercussion that will happen if they messed with holo or niji. V-shojo? Idk if they ever made as statement on it but they will go after indie Vtubers because they know they not legally protected
@SWIFTO_SCYTHE The Holomems that play are from the JP branch. Notice none of the EN branch (don’t know about ID) play/stream it. I think because the movement is basically stronger in the US/Europe so antis (if any) in a JP chat box will be lost in spam or the streamer just doesn’t understand (or pretends to) wtf they are yelling about. Unfortunately it’s a different situation so you can’t compare.
@@melloyurner7367 Well there was a comment on Pekora's vod saying that she's hurting trans viewers and should not stream, it was in a Japanese language too, but it got deleted because that commenter was being selfish and controlling, good thing it's only one bad person present and got took care of.
I gotta commend standing up for the truth of the matter, despite VShojo and you not being on good terms. It’s fucking vile how people lied about Silvervale and kept harassing her & others over a **video game**.
This. This right here is how we need to set aside the difference and defend someone who is innocent by their account.
"It's just a game. _Why are you mad?"_
@@LoraLoibu “Is only game. Why you have to be so mad?”
Also I should mention, I heard none of this shit when far more gross games like Hatred were released. The game got flack, then forgotten after a month. But never people who played the game.
You can tell the measure of a man by how he treats his enemies, not his friends. I am not super-happy with how Silvervale dealt with the Nuxtaku situation. But I do not believe she deserves this- I don’t buy into her “fostering a woke crowd” or “getting what she deserves,” here; this game meant something to her, and these people have ruined that for her. There is nothing satisfying about seeing her or anyone else streaming this game being treated like this.
@@Adorni Always defend people from wrong actions, no matter who, even if they themselves might have done wrong at some point. Justice above all else is always a good motto. Its good to know people like you commit yourself to what is right. May these Lynch mobbers get their karma.
This situation is one where I feel genuine hatred for the bullies on Twitter. This is cyberbullying, literal cyberbullying! These miserable little bastards on Twitter have the audacity to believe that they have the right to harass, dox, and send death threats to whoever dares to play the game. I am honestly convinced that the only way that this harassment will ever end is if Twitter burns to the ground.
Elon's working on it. And by that I mean he's either going to fix it for profit or... Gut it, sell off the scrap, then burn whatever is left of it to the ground.
I refuse to believe these bastards are older than 20 otherwise we are long gone to destruction
they know they have cultural power so they're flexing it
Or these activists(cunts) eat a 6 gauge in front of their family coz it's getting more than annoying
And to prove their parents are worse
@Blue Zenith that's the problem: these harassers are mostly "normal" people, sheeps who just follow the trend of the day. They don't even think for a second what they are doing, they just like in 1984 just show alligence in the 2 minutes of hate.
one of the saddest parts is the zero public support from other vtubers, especially from other members of VShojo who are her friends and peers
not just that but them throwing her under the bus as well like froot who when asked to go help silvervale simply said "we all make mistakes" implying she thought silvervale was in the wrong and refused to help her.
Mouse and Zen did talk about it. It ain’t terribly much but at the same time, Mouse did say that it was going to be handled behind the scenes. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see the company and her friends make a public statement supporting silver though. But if silver doesn’t want this to blow up even more through public statements then the least they can do is honor those wishes. And handle this matter until silver is comfortable.
Other then some other factors I feel as though other independent vtubers should be stepping up though in supporting her. Maybe they are behind the scenes too, but silver mentioned feeling alone in this awful time so, I can see the strong call for having her friends and others being more vocal about supporting her.
"Friends". No such thing in this industry.
Friends? More like acquaintances.
Is not about protecting a minority, is all about desperately trying to get their 5 seconds of fame. Period.
I think it’s both, sadly. They’re breathtakingly insecure.
@@liquidbismuth1044
That’s putting it lightly.
Not just that, they take pleasure in doing this and causing a reaction.
@@kilo1901 when your entire worldview relies on other peoples affirmation of your self-perception, censorship is the only way forward.
Fame, No
What they are looking for is 5 seconds of POWER to validate themselves, and self rightous sactimony is an easy way to get that
The activists are losing everyone here basically. Many people have turned sour to all their movements entirely
And they don't even see it. The more they scream and attack people, the more people they turn against their "movement". They're actually making people LESS tolerant by demanding everyone live up to the standards that they themselves refuse to live up to.
I think we’re starting to see the collapse of the W0K€ movement, everyone is finally starting to see they’re the bad guys.
Maybe the pendulum is swinging back but at this point if it does, I don't see it ever being fixed again because both sides have fucked their movement and pushed it back about 100 years
I genuinely have a hard time remembering its not all lgbt when this happens. Hell i grew up after lgbt was a normal fact in life and its still hard
things happening when people get encouragement when they genuinely need therapy instead.. because i'm 100% sure that some percentage of these people aren't trans but just have some existential crisis and just don't know what to do with themselves.. these ones need therapy.. not some flag-movement
and these are the people going on riots
Lawsuits are needed.
This. These cretins need to experience consequences for their hatemongering.
Indeed. The fact that death threats have begun means that it has crossed the line from harassment into criminal.conduct.
@@NoobNoobNews Hate to break it to you. Death threats haven't just begun. They have been occurring online for quite a long time now. Not saying it makes it ok. Just wondering how new you are to the internet. This your first day here?
Wonder in this case is , Silvervale herself have to do it or will her agency move for her .
I think is time to let FBI or other agents to take action against those people harassing her
Nothing is ever good enough for activists, my mom got screamed at by an activist in the 80s because even though my mom recycled it wasn't "good enough" in the activist's eyes
"I'm literally doing the very thing you are protesting _for,_ what do you mean "it's not good enough"?"
- Your mother, likely
the thing about 'activism' is when the 'problem' gone then they out of job. thus they have to keep making up boogeyman to keep those activism title alive. even worse for professional activist who livelyhood depend on the existence of that 'problem'.
It was 40+ years ago… let it go.
@@_B.C_ Mind your own business, you tool.
@@_B.C_ Clearly those kinds of people still exist and have influence, so the problem is not gone, it's alive and well.
It's stuff like this which is why I'm subscribed to you. You defended Usaki-chan and never attacked Mandy. You have been fair in defending everyone so far.
It's so sad that people can do such awful and vile things. Doxxing with malicious intent should be illegal and they should be put to jail and have online usage monitored and/or removed.
it is illegal but due to the nature of the crime being online based the criminals that do it rarely ever get caught so it's sadly one of those crimes that should be enforced but by it's very nature is impossible to
It is illigal
Do they really want her to graduate from Vshojo? It will happen soon just like Coco went through this situation.
"With malicious intent."
Wdym with malicious intent? Doxxing is an act of terror.
@@gearsfan6669 Another issue is the definition of doxxing; a lot of people have their "private" information available for all to see on the internet already (through whitepages or social media, etc), the doxxer is just spreading it around. Can it really be illegal to share public information?
It's very scummy all the same.
I don't usually go to twitter to actively engage with drama, I'll usually stay on the sidelines an just read what everyone is saying. But I was there for Silvervale's entire stream that the clips are from, I was pissed but I was keeping my emotions in check while listening to her struggling to speak through her crying...but whatever thin line I had that was holding me in check snapped when she transitioned to her ending screen, and you just hear all of the emotions she was holding back just burst out when she finally broke down into a full sobbing cry before she muted herself. That was when I knew I'd had enough of being on the sidelines and I had to let a few of those armchair activist have whatever it was I needed to say. You don't bring another human being down to that level emotionally and then wonder "Why are people not supporting us more?"
All in name of mildly inconveniencing the royalty income of a billionaire who offended them. From a game that didn't involve the author, no less.
"You don't bring another human being down to that level emotionally and then wonder "Why are people not supporting us more?"" That's why I wonder if they're actually supporting the trans community or if they have other motivations because even some trans people can't stand them.
@@NewNecro And it's not like it was gonna work anyway, some people would've bought this game on purpose because of Streisand effect to make them upset. How brave coming from people with 2 followers compared to people with 2 million!
@@FlocAud4914 I think it's possible that these people just want an excuse to bully someone, so they do it under the guise of supporting a movement, probably not caring if what they do hurts the movement
@@alecrutz956 Yeah, probably, but they must be stopped. I didn't think they would be able to cause so much harm for so long over a freaking video-game and even get other Vtubers' support, approving harassment.
the delusion couldnt be more real. these people bully, harass, dox personal information, send death threats to, and just overall be exceptionally rude to streamers and their follows and they will swear ON GOD that theyre the good guys here. the biggest enemy of the lgbt community is themselves.
The alphabet community has always been like this, blackmail, corruption, harrasment and bullying is exactly how they got their class privileges and special protections, sorry I mean their "rights"
As a member of the lgbtq community, I can confirm that this is true.
I'd hazard the biggest enemy is their so-called allies, (not the actual ones, but the online hate-tivists); most LGBT+ folks I know want to be left alone... well, and to be fabulous
you see there is an issue with your statement, they have no god lmfao
@@coresyndicate9184 their "god" is basically social activism and politics. That's all they care about. They claim to be atheist, but they literally worship those things. They do things fanatical cultists do like chant oaths, threaten to ostracize people within their circles if they don't comply to their "religion," obsess on certain things, see anyone that disagrees with them as an "evil sinner," estrange themselves from family/friends, hang out in echo chambers, alter their appearance to be like the rest of their group, and such.
ClownfishTV even had a video from a few months ago pointing out how all this "social justice activism" has become a religion or cult.
People act like this and then wonder why everyone hates them
I hate them so much I want them to go ahead and game ends themselves.
I've been saying this all my life. The more proud you are the more insane you are.
@@dummynerd9760 It sounds like you're the one people should be looking to as an example of how to behave.
@Dummy Nerd Yes, yes you are.
None of you ever condemn objectively wrongful actions. You always go "REEEE you're generalizing" or "REEEE not all".
You aren't against what they're doing, you're all for it - as long as you're not held responsible if things go sour.
This is upsetting. Silver is one of the most lovable and easygoing people I've ever seen and she doesn't deserve this. Seeing her cry is painful to me. Everyone tell silver you love her and let's try to repair some of the damage that's been done.
AFFIRMATIVE.
I never heard of her until now, but I sent her some love. ^^ She did nothing wrong tbh.
It's about time to gatekeep the hell out of these people. Block/ban/bully on sight.
Bully, bully them until something drastic happens.
@@lupisvolk2420 That's their choice.
Lemmie clarify; we can "bully" these people by talking excessive amounts of smack. The goal isn't to bully people into suicide. If they do commit suicide, that's their problem. Start treating their mental illness with indifference, the rest will work itself out.
@@BlitzedNostradamus The problem is that they will just act like martyrs and the backlash harassment will make them justify their existence. They want it because they want to be part of a movement thinking they are the second coming of Martin Luther King Jr.
@@KuroMochiKimchi Then let them be martyrs. They won't be remembered as such.
It really feels like these activists are just trying to rend their reputation.
How do you know they’re activists and not bad actors?
@@_B.C_ hell, I guess we’ll just leave that up for interpretation.
Let them cook.
@@_B.C_ they do this all the time, this is just them bringing this compliance or violence tactic to the Vtubers.
@@idrathernot_2 cool story, and your proof “they” also aren’t bad actors is what exactly?
Sandy: Stupidity isn't a virus, but it sure is spreading like one.
I've read some Twitter comments trying to justify the harassment by saying this is what a trans person deals with everyday. If that's true you would think they would not want to inflict similar persecution onto another over a video game. I have to wonder how many trans people are the aggressors versus their allies to the cause. "I have permission to mistreat other people I do not personally know because I am doing it for trans-rights." I suspect some who support the boycott don't see the controversy as merely who's playing a video game, but as a sort of litmus test for the true faithful; true allies for the community. Those that fail the test are deserving of the harshest punishment. For these absolutists there are only two answers. Either you are with them or you are an enemy.
Their trans life is sooo hard they gotta put that pain and hate on people who are successful and happy. Crab bucket mentallity
right now as in current year?
90 percent of them are the agressors because 90 percent are freaking trenders with no proven diagonosed disphria.
its just people want the lable because it lets you get away with nearly ANYTHING as the current "protected class".
I rather get canceled standing up than bending down to fit the “quota”
If Silver did hold those bigoted views, we would know. She made a nearly hour long video addressing and trying to clear up any "misconceptions", except here's the thing, there's isn't nearly as much as people probably think, at the end of the day these people just want to use their moral high horse to harass people.
Saddest part, they can't just ignore it. Hope this blows over soon, hope the harrassers just get bored.
i'm scared that she'll quit the agency if this keeps going. we already had enough of this before.
How do we know all these are activists using their moral high horse and are not bad actors abusing the moral high horse?
@@demochris1786I think if anything it’d be a good thing if she quit VShojo because of their questionable actions
@@demochris1786 Sorry to tell you this, but SilverVale quitting, that wouldn’t be bad news at all, that only means she’s able to break away that agency’s subpar management. Unless they decide to clean themselves, the odds are likely their. Ironmouse is probably talking with her now, but I don’t know if it will help.
@@_B.C_ because this is FAR from the first and only case of them doing this
Those people have no souls for harassing Silvervale, as for her I hope she takes a break from all of this
I overheard Ironmouse is talking to her regarding the situation. Let’s just assume Mouse’s got it and Silver can pick herself back up with her on her side.
Zen also from what it sounded like. At least zen has gotten in contact with silver.
Pikamee got it worse, she was harassed TWICE. She hasn't made a post since, I'm genuinely worried.
Hasn't Silvervale harrassed and caused major controversies before. This seems more like them eating their own.
@@Aaaa-g6u8e TWICE!? When did she get harassed for the second time? I thought she got harassed once and took some time off after cancelling her stream. Maybe I underestimated those bullies...
Ive bought the game recently and its for a purpose; Ive seen some of my favorite streamers and Vtubers being harrassed, death threats etc, and all the pointless virtue signalling from idiots who think that death threats and harrassment is the side of reason. So this is me making a move to piss them off and I FULLY intend to post clips and pics to my twitter to piss them off further. This is about principle that you never give in to a bully. Its the willingness to die on the hill of your beliefs.
What they did to Silvervale and other streamers is completely unacceptable
Do it buddy and tell them that the freaks that harassed you are the real Yazi's
At this point, doing so is an act of protest.
@@liquidbismuth1044 Well of course! That way they can act like shitheels, and when people rightfully get angry and strike back, they can whine and cry about how "trans people are so bullied!"
When I get a copy in April for my PS4 I am also going to post to my twitter as well LOL XD
@@gfg758 excellent. Go for it my dude
Silver deserved NONE of this. She's such a wholesome VTuber and shes so sweet. shame on everyone bullying her. hypocrites. all of them. if they really cared, then the last things they'd be doing is what they're doing now.
Froot is a bully. PERIOD.
The fact that she was so excited about all the things in the game as well during the stream. Anyone with even half a working brain would be able to tell she's not playing it to be a transphobe. She's playing it cause she a huge fucking fan of harry potter and it's her dream come true. People are fucking heinous when they're able to hide behind a username istg
@@markF0601 Froot is just keeping herself under control. If she acted honestly about it, it would backfire on her. I'm a little surprised Nyanners hasn't thrown Silver under the bus.
@@thejsffenix6365 Was just thinking about that too
@@BadCompanyGaming Bro smae here, I see Nyanners as nothing but a nutty dickhead
Those people are lucky she doesn't hire an investigator and have them all charged with harassment
These kinds of people need to quit clinging to their phones desperate for clout and need to get a life rather then hollowing away in their little homes.
You know it's rather hilarious and horrifying that people manage to find time to harrass someone over a game that they just want to have fun with instead and not look at themselves in the mirror for 1 second. I really hope Vale get through this, I'm not a Vshoujo viewers but it's disgusting that she got this much hate over a game. Part of me kind of wish that the other Vtubers would ask help from others, Calli has seen no shortage of Antis and the Holo ID barely take anyone's shit
Totally. Cali would eat these Soyboys and Soygirls alive if they bring their Crybully bullcrap to her in person.
it just show you that how important grew a certain audience or you should really stand up to the bullies like hololive id even take action.
and never chatter to a wider audience make sure your fans are not mentally like twitter.
i see many youtuber like asmongold respond it very appropriately by making sure his audience is not the one controll him and defend him when bullshit like this goes down
What's even more disgusting is these people trying to excuse their actions. One example being is one person on twitter tweeted "Pikamee accepted she was wrong and grew as a person now" nevermind the fact Pikamee did nothing to deserve the harassment she got! No one deserved the harassment they got! All this is messed up.
You act like these people have a job or in anyway contribute to society
you lot have bragged on twitter about harassing vtubers into retirement
stop acting like you are better pedo
Honestly? If she had actually banned the word, under those circunstances, it would be 100% justifiable. She had all the right to do so to shut up all the whinners annoying her.
Death threats and doxxing should be punishable by law!
They are. It is illegal to send death threats and doxx but they aren't allowed to charge you with a crime unless you get arrested for something else beforehand
Threats are pretty much illegal everywhere
They are illegal, the issue is that people refuse to really do anything about them.
It is, it’s just hard to do and the time it takes to go through with the lawsuit isn’t really worth it in the end. It might be even harder for someone who wants to file a lawsuit while staying anonymous but I could be wrong on that one.
Problem is the people who defend doxxing, as if it's the perfect tool for "fighting evil".
I am more ticked off than I have ever been, she was literally just reliving her childhood likes and all she got for it was harassment. They have made a true enemy of me, as little as I can do. Hearing her sad, scared sobs REALLY lit a fire in my heart and it is still hard to listen to even now.
The hate mob essentially did the automod thing to themselves with that massive wave of swarming other streamers (if these people actually paid attention, they would have known this, though they would probably ignore the facts to be honest), OF COURSE automod was going to respond to key words used in recent harassment. At this point, they are spreading disinformation, not misinformation. Disinformation is the same as misinformation with one exception, disinformation is intentional.
I would urge anyone capable to go support her in any way they can, she needs to know that people are still in her corner. It was a genuine joy to see her react to getting the same wand she had on her old account as a kid and when the owl approaches the castle and I said as much in her RUclips comments (it is known that Vshojo talents manage their own social media and other things while any management is more for behind the scenes things, which any protection she may require and any action taken against the harassment would fall under, though she may understandably be gone for a while to sort herself out).
I hate this type of bullying and with one of the sweetest person I watched through high school, The way she was I never seen Silvervale like that and I hope she gets through this
I honestly do feel for her for I've had a similar thing happen to me on Twitter and all I was doing was collecting backgrounds for future cosplay photos. It is sad that people cannot separate fact from fiction in multiple ways and for those of us who have been playing the game can tell them the game is more diverse than all 12 of the Wizarding World films and you do meet a trans character, a witch who has a wife and another witch who is looking for the right witch to come along in the main story line. There is that much representation in this game that the native Scottish people of the area are a minority when compared to the south east asian population of the game. This is the Harry Potter game they said they wanted.
I do hope Silvervale gets the support needed.
Not to mention the owner of the Three Broomsticks tavern in Hogsmeade, who is a trans woman and is respected by and beloved by her patrons and community to the point that the absolute instant someone unsavory shows up and she tries to protect you, EVERYONE in there immediately jumps in to help as soon as the wands come out. Not because she's trans, but because her community loves and respects her, and if that's not Trans empowerment, I don't know what is.
@@lightninstriker10 The funny thing about this is that they all see the "Sir" part of the name and froth at the mouth without knowing that the name Sirona is from a Celtic goddess of healing.
As a trans person I can say go play the wizard game if you want to
Majority of trans ppl seem to be okay with the game because they aren't insane. Seems like most of the harassment is coming from straight white women who are just looking to be saviors for clout and likes.
Thank you :)
I'm waiting for OG Xbox version to come out
I would but I’m Addicted to Valheim. They recently added magic.
If anything I pity real nice trans people who will definitely receive bad rep from this.
When Rev has to speak in defense of content creators who have banned his name in their discord then we have truly come full circle in this hellscape we call clown world.
You mean VShojo bans Rev from ever being a discussion? And now he has to speak out for them despite of it? That’s insanely contortive.
This is even worse than clown world because that's supposed to be entertainment right? But no, we live worse than clown world. HELL. Nothing but unadulterated HELL along with mischievous demons.
Clown World is more appreciative than this. We living under a microscope of Hell. The only way to escape is to leave Earth and find Heaven.
Kinda shows you how Rev is being mature about the situation. And the fact I have to say that shows how being mature online is a rarity.
When this happens to you, even your own enemies can come out and defend you as well as sympathise with you, if you have people like that, who needs enemies tbh
Thank you so much for clearing this up with simple, straight to the point facts. This is really just sad. People suck. Wish everyone will be alright through this whole mess.
I am just hoping some kind of legal action is taken, because this is extremely deranged behavior. If you are someone who threaten someone's life, then there is nothing good going on in your head.
People like that have no problem harassing people because they think that nothing will happen to them because there hiding behind a computer screen and that's just plain sick and disgusting
Oh no, they could go public and you would genuinely have people defending them.
This is not because theyre behind computer scream, theyre doing because they are told over and over that theyre doing a good thing.
They can get blocked, ignored and go away. Whatever their ideology is, whether they think they're defending trans rights, women rights, Harry Potter fans, hexagons... they're just acting like bullies and destroying people!
@@FlocAudouard4064 bullies are always going to be bullies and you can never please a bully
@@johnmartinez-valentin5427 I agree.
That not right that not just attacking you but also your friends that's messed up
Plus turning her friends against her a well, which is even more messed up.
@@xanthiusdrake2775 I agree
Something worth bringing up, a few days ago someone online called Rowling a Natzi and her response was "apologize or I'll see you in court". The news media went ape over it but that's how you deal with these crazy people, if they get serious in these hate and harassment campaigns then enforce a lawsuit towards these rambling mouths from further harassment. Not suggesting Silvervale should do this but at the very least VShoujo should make some statement like this if these "fans" are endangering their talents.
That's literally just a violation of freedom of speech and would never fly in the US. Only rich people who have enough money for top lawyers in the UK with their lacking laws can get away with this.
This guy actually got mail about having to delete tweets because else he would be financially ruined by Rowling in court.
If Caitlyn Jenner with her deep pockets shut someone up with a lawsuit over being called a groomer would you react the same way?
I honestly don’t know what vshojo does besides merch. Like from all I’ve ever heard of them they’re very hands off which one of the talents even stated as saying the group is talent first and not agency first. Vshojo probably won’t do anything looking at how they handled past things like with Nux, but who knows maybe management has changed and they are more protective of their talents now. So far they haven’t done anything and none of the girls are publicly doing anything
Strong disagree. I think that a lawsuit can be appropriate if it’s someone with a decent sized following slandering you, but making an example out of some random person with no influence is a bit much. At the very least it isn’t good PR to do that, even if it’s justified. Silver is also not that kind of person, I would never recommend someone try to emulate Rowling’s actions lol.
@@DiamonDustin that case, let’s look at the Vic Mangiona controversy a few years ago. From what I heard Vic should’ve done was target Anime News Network as they wholeheartedly slandered and accused him without apology and still do whenever his name is brought up. With that in mind if VShoujo made an announcement where they protect their employees from said slander would that help reduce the harassment? I know that Rowling is the “hisssssss don’t speak her name” but let’s be honest, lawsuits are nothing to take lightly and it gets to the point fast. After all if these people are really activists then they should be aware of facing some kind of backlash when they do real damage. It’s fine if you strongly disagree but it’s always there if there’s enough evidence to form an argument.
@@Hemeltijd You can say anything you want but nobody is immune from criticism or backlash, for all we know Caitlin Jenner could be doing anti progressive work but there’s no evidence nor am I aware of it whatsoever to say. On a side note, why is free speech brought up when there’s major consequences from what you say?
Silvervale is literally the sweetest, cutest Vtuber ever. I don't give a damn what issue someone may have with her. The harassment and bullying Silver received is absolutely disgusting and unacceptable. The bullying and harassment everyone has been getting for simply trying to enjoy a damn game, being a fan of a series is unacceptable and disgusting. Hearing Silver cry on stream broke my heart dude. I hope she's alright.
That stream was absolutely heartbreaking to watch. Silvervale has always been just the kindest person, and I feel sick to my stomach that this is happening to her.
I live in Egypt any doxxing attempt will lead to any loser to show up my house to get stoned by the locals lmao
My slovak-rusyn dad would probbably blast them with an air rifle (he goes hunting in autumn) if these idiots show up in our porch
Pikamee still hasn't come back since she was bullied.
Since she isnt quite english speaking in culture she doesnt know how agressive the progressive people have gotten about harassing people. Its heartbreaking.
how evil you gotta be to send threats to someone like pikamee?
@@thevictoryoverhimself7298
“””””Progressive”””””
And those people seriously took her silence as "Oh she learned her lesson, good"
@@liquidbismuth1044 """"""""""""No True Scotsman""""""""""
It's funny that all these people on Twitter are calling people transphobic for playing a game but they're using an app that's runned by a person who I heard might be transphobic
Well they apparently were all going to quit twitter sorta like how people say they are going to move to canada after an election. Sometimes I just wish it would actually happen and people with their mental illness harassing attitude could just rot in a cesspool.
"who I heard might be transphobic."
Is that really all you got? Rumors and drama? There are much better things in life to care about than what some rich person thinks.
@@flameshana9 Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
If that behavior is what they call ‘being an ally’, then I don’t want to be an ally. I want to be their worst nightmare.
Friend of mine introduced me to Silvervale literally just yesterday. I'm not big on vtubers personally (nothing against them, I just generally don't watch streaming content) but I did see a 10 minute vid of her playing Hogwarts. She was having so, so much fun. You can tell she was a huge Potterhead. Everything in the game dazzled her and she was genuinely having the time of her life.
I saw the comments underneath and thankfully it was all in full support of her. But some mentioned the hate as well, and it really saddened me. These armchair activists are just...bitter. Absolutely. Bitter. They don't care about trans folk, because if they did, they wouldn't be using the same tactics trans folk have been fighting against for many, many years. I'm a broken record in that regard at this point so I won't go further. Instead, all I'll say is that I hope those streaming or just enjoying the game know they are being supported. These armchair activists have completely lost sight of the actual goal, and thus they are not to be listened to. They're just trolls. Disgusting, inhuman, trolls.
Thank you, I agree. The LGBT community has fought for decades trying to get people to let them live in peace and these children just wrecked it all so bad, a lot of people are just swinging around right back to straight up bigotry.
@@suddenlycrows The main issue is in all modern activism the core belief is that the "oppressed" have no only the right, but the duty to hate their "Opresser"
@@bengrogan9710 which is just disgusting imho. Like why meet hate with hate. Like someone else here said, I hope the western LGBT crazy stays in the west.
I mean... I can't stand vshojo for my own reasons, but this IS NOT A REASON to be mad at them, She doesn't deserve the harassment
Same boat, it feels way too wrong and undeserving
"I don't like them either, but that is just too much."
@@LoraLoibu well yea people can dislike them but we're not actively looking to attack them, doxx them, etc. Silvervale hasn't done anything wrong here, anyone celebrating this might as well be labeled a monster.
You don't owe anyone anything, you have the right to block people who just want to harass you. Especially if you won whatever arguments they tried to start with you in the first place. If they act like they've won just because you blocked them, then they've already lost and nothing they say will change the fact that they did.
They are just a bunch of blue-haired trans activists ignoring her statements and blindly harassing her for this dumb reason.
I’ve seen more people go after this vtuber in a short span that people went after gura in her career
they're too scared of the four letter word
They went after SilverVale when Cover can and will sue them. So they have to go VShojo knowing how mismanaged they are and prone to stab each other in the back. I’m critical of them, but this is an unwarranted attack Silver is completely innocent by all accounts.
@Cody Boutdy That's exactly it. These people actually fear people who not only CAN slap them with consequences, but will. Like that dumbass who folded like origami when Rowling threatened to sue him over his nonsense.
@@dylancross1039 For the shadow outs: it goes back around to being school bullies, picking on someone weak until a bigger fish comes.
It hurts to see this sort of thing happen to one of the most wholesome people out there.
When I see this kind of drama, I always wonder what percentage of the people are part of the group they are supposed to represent.
usually less than 5% -
at 8%+ they start becoming vocal that this is making them look bad and then they start internal virtue signalling so they can be seen to "Be a good Ally"
Very few, most are just chasing clout or self-validation. Many are what you might call Trendsgender, succumbing to mental health pseudoscience.
There was also a person who is Jewish also got harassed by one of those people doing the mass harassment and bullying campaigns yesterday on Twitter. From what that person showed, that one guy participating in a massive harassment and bullying campaigns pretty much lecturing him what he should and should not find to be offensive to the Jewish community. And all over a video game. Yeah.............this is just completely fucked up.
A big reason of why this has felt so annoying for me has been the constant use of the term "ally". Somehow, Hogwarts Legacy, OF ALL THINGS, is where people have decided that everyone must choose a side. You're either an ally or a target, if you simply choose to just live your own life not bothering anybody, but also not loudly and publicly declaring your allegiance to their cause, they pretty much label you as an enemy.
Pikamee just wanted to live her life, do her own thing and enjoy the game, nobody has heard from her ever since that whole mess happened. Silver just wanted to live her life, do her own thing, recapture a positive part of her childhood and enjoy the game, she ends up doing a 45 minute stream, barely holding her emotions together.
And these absolute buffoons on twitter will sit there, hands on their hips, heads to the sky, thinking they are the heroes of this story as they leave a path of emotionally broken steamers in their wake.
Yeah, I feel so bad for Pikamee. I mean Silvervale's tears are sad too, but Pikamee was devastated.
@@Fixer_Su3ana and she already hadnt posted in over a month and now she might not for another two if she dosent outright retire.
@@housewilma4904 What happened to her before she took the first break?
You can tell this issue is purely on western Twitter, because a good chunk of Hololive's ID and JP girls have been playing Hogwarts Legacy since release and they've been having a ball with it and all of their Japanese and English viewers have been nothing but praise.
Moona from Hololive ID for example played it at early release launch for like ten hours, and while I can't read Japanese or Indonesian, the occasional English message in chat was positive. That should tell you just how small this outrage is.
I just hope the EN branch can play it and most hate that comes their way is minimized
@@ReiseLukas most likely not, definitely not calli seeing as they already hate her and someone is most likely waiting to gain anything new to try and cancel her with
@@ReiseLukas Bae did a fun stream before Hogwarts Legacy releases, going over all the named spells in Harry Potter and she got a small amount flack on Twitter from the crazies.
I think she did plan on playing it, but management may have saw the drama brewing and steered their English talents away to do a wait and see.
The HoloEN girls will probably play it once the drama dies down and the crazies have moved onto the next anthill... probably Atomic Heart.
It's the west that is pushing this kind of cult mentality until every disagreement or differing opinion is considered violence and litteraly kills people so yes this is a strict western problem
@@cytorakdemon and by then they will barely get any views making them loose loose didnt get the views from the new hot game and wiill still be harssed for playing it latter anyway,
I'm trans and the thing that hurts most about all this is not the wizard game itself, but the "activists" harassing genuinely nice and supportive streamers in the name of trans rights. it's doing more harm than good to all parties involved including the trans community by making us all look like monsters. and for me to have this opinion some would think I'm 'faking it', and that's so dehumanising. of all people anyone who's transgender should understand what that feels like, and why you shouldn't go around treating others like lesser people for enjoying what they love.
I really hope silvervale can recover from this hate and everyone else who's been affected.
You summarized it perfectly hopefully people can see through this and realize that not every trans person is supporting the harassment they’re giving
I have been personally in a similar position as silver vale, which I understand how it feels like being accused from a certain group for having a neutral take on a situation that happen recently and misinformation being spread about me and close friends being unhinged because of public opinion/ collective outrage
I been following this and it's so hilarious for them. They limit the responses after there bad takes, deflect, protect there twitter after the backlash, and now are acting like victims when people attacked back. It's hilarious to see
The people who harass others for playing a game are more toxic than jk Rowling could ever be
Last time I checked, JK Rowling didn't came up with The Gestaporino Reimagined For Modern Audiences.
They're fighting fascism with ultra fascism.
Peak irony.
revs fans have bragged about harassing other vtubers into retirement
stop acting like you arent the same
@@randomnameseventythree2255 when and who?
@@randomnameseventythree2255 Receipts or didn't happen.
@@dylives7667 you mean outside the hundreds of comments under the videos of rev "exposing" the vtubers where you lot laugh and say "this didnt go well the last time" and "we destroyed the last anti and we will do it again"
bro you clowns are hypocrites that love child p*rn and cancel culture anyone that doesnt agree with your mental illness
The people is “that” movement are the worst people around, how on earth they can endlessly harass people just for playing a game and still claim they’re the good guys, it’s mind boggling.
It's because people like Rev and Silvervale won't accept they are all deranged by default, and enabling them is making them go even more insane.
Dude, what else did you expect from someone whose entire personality is about not just denying obsevable reality and madeup identities, but also threaten with cancellation (and their own CanaHealtcare) any person that doesn't validate your insanity???
They have ALWAYS been like this, crybullies addicted to powertrips and getting off to making you submit.
Well they're so oppressed that almost every industry, regulation, and legislation caters to them and their nonsense. Very oppressed and very humble, please give more privileges, I mean "rights"
This is so damn sad, Silver does not deserve this 😢. It hurts so much to hear her cry, especially as a fan of hers. What’s worse is they even went after people she cares about, how fucked up is that? That’s just pure evil. I hope her friends and community can support her, and that she can mentally recover soon from this horrible harassment.
Doxing is illegal, these people need to be arrested, not called out, not shamed, ARRESTED.
I have my criticism towards SilverVale and VShojo as a whole, however, this is unwarranted. But now I’m getting hearsay’s Froot just threw her under the bus, that’s where I decided to say “That’s it, SilverVale, you’re not taking this defamation anymore.”.
"I don't like them, but this is just _too much."_
Likely a very common quote 'round here.
The shit Froot supposedly said, was in her own stream, when she was doing art. Someone then clipped that out of context, and tried framing it a certain way, as they always do. That's why the "criticism" of content creators in general, is based off of lies, half truth, and overall, bullshit.
Imagine if this had happened to a Hololive EN member like Callie, Ina or Gura.
All hell would brake loose against the woke mob.
it almost happened to bae but holo is on youtube and jokes aside youtube comments and chats tend to be less toxic than twich chats and while there is overlap in fanbase the holo community from what I have seen tends to be less toxic to both other fans and streamers than the vshojo fandom is
Gura would roast the hell out of them on stream. Ina and Kiara, not so much, i think they are more vulnerable to online bullying. But if that ever happen, Cover will take legal action
Not while Cover has the go ahead to sue slanderous Twitter users. These antis can’t attack Hololive now that legal action is in play and will enact on it.
More likely Japanese companies being the way they are covercore will sue there asses into oblivion if they tried
@@elapidpython4378 twitch at this point is a dumb I don't get why people still use it when they fuck over there creators harder then even RUclips have a frankly ridiculous number of adds get screwed in a discoveribility hellhole and that is not even talking twitch changing there mind and retroactively ban people causing certain people to have too delete all there vlogs tldr fuck twitch
I shared the clip of "Girlfriend Reviews" with my boomer parents. They were absolutely stunned.
In what wayL
J.K Rowling's tweets were made in June/July 2020. It took them 2 and 1/2 years to attempt to boycott a product from her. It shows that they really don't care about trans rights otherwise they would've gave a shit earlier. Not only did they pick the laziest way to boycott a product, they also heavily failed at it. They had 2 and 1/2 years to boycott Universal Studios tickets, the books, LEGO sets, etc. but they didn't cuz they don't care about trans people
I bet they didn't even read the tweets or know what she said. The "intelligent college educated" activists need not bother with that but Book woman bad! Grrrr! Cause she essentially killed tons of trans people with her comments.
@@KuroMochiKimchi It makes them look even lazier when they harass streamers. Like what? Maybe boycott Gamestops or Steam or something like that. They're picking at leaves instead of the branches or even the roots
@@KuroMochiKimchi Well that cult of zealots in the religion of "woke" believe that if you disagree with anything of theirs in any capacity, that you are a hateful bigoted killer who deserves to be cancelled, censored, and attacked. They're very loving and accepting though, you see.
Even if they did, what would they do? Harass every LEGO fan? Harass every single phone or computer user, including themselves then, because it "supports" child work in Africa?
@@FlocAud4914 If they don't want to be hypocritical about ethical consumption, then yes. If they cared about trans rights, then yes they would boycott everything J.K gains royalties from. Hogwarts Legacy is a small fraction of her royalties compared to how much people would spend when they go to the Wizarding World in Universal Studios. Easily spends more on one trip to there then they ever would buying the Deluxe Edition and will continue to do so for many years.
instead of gen z, it should be called gen c, the c standing for circus, 'cause it seems that clown behaviour is a defining trait of this gen.
I remember seeing Silver absolutely break down on stream because of this harassment. Its so heartbreaking to see so many people go out of their way to send death threats for a simple game.
They're using the whole trans thing as an excuse to bully and harass people. They aren't even fighting for a cause
Curse these activists, they made our V-tubers into a living hell
Yeah, the amount of joy and whimsy I've seen of everyone playing the game has been great. I wish politics would get out of pop culture.
U deserve more subs love the content
When the enemy of vshojo has to defend them you royally fucked yourself.
Whether they like it or not, Rev would not even let his enemy be falsely accused. I call this being a professional.
@Aquas what you call being professional I call being silly at best and down right stupid at worst. When you have two enemies tearing at each other’s necks you don’t step in to save one of them you let them tear each other apart if you step in to defend one enemy the other one will plant a knife in your back has soon has one is defeated. The enemy of my enemy is not a friend their just someone who wants to kill some other poor fool before they kill you.
I had talked to my mum about J.K Rowling, and to answer on this whole "oh she's transphobic" claim, lemme say this and listen well because this is very truth and far from what thought of her. As a trans person please be aware and reasonably kind! I will not tolerate hate period!
But J.K Rowling's tweet was NOT about her being transphobic, she was referring to when ppl expose young children under age of 13 and so on from surgery at a very young age, her tweet was about trans children being exposed to something too young of a age specifically. And I mean it! Trans children under 13 are WAY too young to get surgery at those ages! J.K Rowling suffered in her life (this is personal to her so sadly I wont talk of it) but no, people took this out of context of her tweet and falsely accused her of something she was not!
As a trans person myself! Talking about this with my mum made me realize that people on cancel culture or just people with no brain that have no common sense or human decency, take things sensitively and too far to think they are in the right when they are obviously in the wrong! People these days are selfish!
The first time I heard about the funny wizard game controversy, I knew that this wasn't about defending trans people, it was about feeling justified to bully, or even doxx, and sending death threats to people they don't like. They feel justified in destroying not only someone's life but also the people around them. It is horrifying that these bullies are given a platform to do these awful things, and I hope for the safety of Silvervale and her relatives and friends.
i wonder if anyone has ever done an anti apology before
Trust me its the internet, someone has done something dumb like that somewhere.
@@xanthiusdrake2775 like instead of apologizing they just tell the offended to fuck themselves
I believe that's just called doubling down. (right or wrong)
They don't care if it's right or wrong, all they care about is desperate clout chasing and feeling superior
I don't like Vshojo at all. But watching that Silvervale explanation stream was... heartbroken. We also need to point out the fact that basically Froot backstabbed her
How did Froot backstab her?
@@knoxts9577 From what I can tell, Froot advocates for trans right by donating to a charity regarding “Diverse Trans-Children”. News came and said one of the members came out as a kiddie diddler, the same time SilverVale did heartbreaking stream. Froot was in the chat and from what I can paraphrase, “Everyone makes mistakes, that’s how it is.”, implying that she thinks Silver made a mistake playing the game. That’s the straw that broke the camel’s back.
@@Aquas1998 Damn.. she basically threw her under the bus.
@@knoxts9577 Froot was making a mute art stream, one viewers write in chat to help Silvervale because she was made the explanation stream crying, and she just typed that "everyone makes mistakes". Check on twitch the other day stream by Kirsche, at 4:10:40
@@achmedycreedo Yep, while Silvervale is being attacked for playing Hogwarts Legacy, instead of giving her morale support, Froot made a tweet mentioning she would stay away from that game as far as possible, which makes Silver looks worse, and continue making another Tweet pandering to Silver's attackers. Who needs enemies when you have a "friend" like this in your group. Now I am worried for Kson and Nazuna for being in the same group as these backstabbers.
And this is one of the many reasons why everytime someone asks me why I'm against the "trans activists", this is one reason why. I know not all trans people are like this, but everytime I see or hear about shit like this, my impressions of these"activists" just goes lower and lower.
Its very ironic that the people who claim to be supporting the trans community by harassing and harming those who play this game are not only giving trans people a bad rep but placing them into more danger by giving actual transphobes a stronger reason to discriminate and bully them.
If they just left people alone NONE of this would have happened. Especially those snake-ass people that clamed to be Silver's friend. They know they hurt their own more than anybody that REALLY hates them.
Yep it really does suck to be trans right now, I’m being blamed for shit I do not condone at all
@@lunabnuuy3206 Which isn't fair a lot of people are catching strays because a LOUD selection of people messed up. Harassment, threats and trolling on burner accounts.
Thus leaving a lot of people to wonder wth is going on. Since it shouldn't be that deep. They should have let people live instead of pulling all involved into the mud for no reason.
@@ExeErdna mhm, could be possible that people are doing this to purposely deteriorate the trans community, it just hurts seeing how much one little vocal group can make so many others turn their backs on us, the trans people that don’t want to get involved and just want it all to end. I’m trying to educate people saying that all this but I’m just called atrocities, I don’t even know why I try
@@lunabnuuy3206 The troublemakers within the trans community shouldn't have given the loud provokers and trolls ammo to hurt people with the "don't play the game or else" Since we now know the "else" is threats and doxxing.
I think they did this because some people *need* drama to feel valid.
Yet why demand people to do something. When their whole existence is based on not listening to others and doing what made them happy.
Thus leaves people like you trying to clean something you didn't even mess up.
This is only the beginning Rev. The war is underway.
i’m someone who sees her content more often, sure i still remember what Vshojo did to Nux but i just leave that in the past and everyone did the same, they move forward and that is good.
She has been a amazing person, wholesome and even funny in her streams which make me have a good time when i want but now seeing this happen to her… man, this just shows me that the people who cancel her or anyone for the wrong and stupid reasons are just people who has brain damage and even mental health issues that needs therapy or something else.
I feel bad for her and even seeing this happen to her friends too is so sad… hope she gets good and the people who did this, somehow pay for their actions.
On your first paragraph, I may also leave it in the past, but I still refuse to support them because doing what they did speaks to their character, both on an individual level and as a company.
That having been said, she doesn't deserve what the mob is doing to her, and I do feel bad for her. Hopefully she has the fortitude to pull through and not cave to the crazy.
@@momentomori1747 yeah… this is not right by any means, i like her content, maybe not tie with Mouse or Zen but she make me laugh and more.
This is just unacceptable and hope she can go forward after this… this was a coward move for the antis and stupid people.
There is a line between activist and terrorist.
An activist stands up to push awareness. Make news and media to find a way of change.
A terrorist stands up to terrorize others to get their way in change.
i've honestly had to stop midway in the video because i'm so upset by people. they go by the first thing they hear and seeing this kind of twitter users also being 'against harassment' and then doing it because suddenly its 'ok' its just, ugh idk
great video as always Rev tho, have a nice day everyone
The only time I have blocked a human before on discord was when I was blocked by them and was genuinely terrified of them unblocking me and harassing me more.
Poor Silvervale
She sounded like she was on the verge of tears.
Honestly these people harassing her are just trash.
she WAS crying, i was at that stream
Just before the stream ended you could hear her break down. Damn that hurts😭
@@Ubu90 Poor dear..
Wow, it's almost like Twitter is turbo-cancer.
I hope Silvervale knows that she is loved and appreciated far more than any hate these barnacles could ever muster.
I just streamed this game for 8Hrs. and not one of them stepped into my chat to say one word because they knew what my response was gonna be...
That was an incredibly fair breakdown of the whole situation
This whole Hogwarts Legacy controversy reminds me of the moral panic over the Joker movie. Only cranked up to 11. All I really know about Silver is that she has some based taste in games, so I hope she recovers from this emotionally.
Essentially it is the Crazy religious people who were trying to ban harry potter in the late 90s early 2000 because they thought it was turning people into devil worshippers. Funny that these activists seem to repeat history.
The harassment hurts us even worse, I a trans person even made posts saying NOT TO HARASS or bother anybody that yes it's nice to stand up for what you believe in but to fight with hate isn't the way to go about it, I've said "Hey don't lump all of in because I can assure you not all trans people wanted this to happen." and what happens? "ALL TRANS PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM, YOU'RE TRANS SO YOU ARE THE PROBLEM." When I just wanted to peacefully boycott this game I gave my two cents which was "I don't wanna play this game, I can't tell you what to do with your money but inform and if you wanna still play it then cool that's what you wanna do."
There's a time and place for everything like Rev said, harassment isn't good for anybody and I hope the people harassing others realizes "Oh shit, this is doing more harm than good." Which it 100% is doing way more harm than anything, we're losing support because people are doing this kind of shit.
I get ya girly, this whole thing has just been so ridiculous I’m trans myself and I seriously don’t care for the game, I’ll never play it but that’s because it’s my own opinion on the subject I seriously hate how much this is going to hurt the trans community in the future and it’s especially sickening knowing some of if not most of the loudest voices harassing others are cis. Yes their hearts are in the right place but it’s a video game just let people who want to play it, play it. If they want to be an activist so bad they should be getting out there to deal with actual ongoing problems against trans people. Sorry for the rant I’m just so sick and tired of all this, it breaks my heart
It's a hate mob and it needs to be called out as such. it needs to be publicly denounced and disavowed by the trans community.
I've only seen Silvervale in passing and tbh she seems pretty nice. It is utterly heartbreaking hearing how hurt she is from all this
You are my #1 news source Rev❤️
For the people saying it's acceptable to send death threats and harassment, or that the people playing the game "deserved it", well...
I really hope you NEVER do ANYTHING that could be deemed "questionable" from now on. Because otherwise, if you start getting death threats, doxxed, harassed, and screamed at, well, you deserve it, and you'd best not complain about it.
This is literally "conform to us or else" coming from these people.
Where else have we seen this in history?
and they absolute refuse to see reality when you show it to them and respond with violence to 99 percent of disagrements.
im seeing anglled spiral and hammer n sickle in my head right now.
@@housewilma4904 "The fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists."
- Winston Churchill
The irony that the one's performing the witch hunt are not the zealous religious Right.
Doesn't matter, both sides have always had fanatical zealots, including those that claim to be atheist.
They may not be religious, but the far-left sure do worship their activism and politics, and behave cult-like. They use "good causes" to justify their toxic behavior.
It's basically a "convert or die" situation like the Spanish Inquisition.
Very well put Rev, our words are the same, Great Video.
This is why I try not to make friends or trust anyone who are fellow vtubers, they'll turn on you the moment you play something that the mov hates that day.