You got to love the camaraderie. Ref says, “you gotta be holding a grip to go down,” so Tonon extends his hand for Joao to grab and go down legally. Respect for these guys!
@@mvlcmlgmclmgkcmlfm man your life must be great right now. Taking the time to comment on a RUclips vid of a sport you don’t respect, I wish i had the time for that
Michael James i completely disagree because jake shields was almost pounded out cold by ray cooper after he was dropped flat on his face throwing a low kick whilst leaving him self wide open for that left hook counter... So i dont think jake shields would be considered as a “real word” Striking expert/monster Btw you might want to stop trying to make it seem like grappling isn’t a legitimate combat sport that is very effective for mma and or for self defense before you have tried it yourself
A little weird but they couldn't agree on where the position ended and the ref understandably probably didn't know as much back then. This match is over 5 years old now and the knowledge on legs was lower. Garry had a 50/50 heel hook when the reset happened but kept wanting to reset in cross ashi. Miyao kept wanting to rest in 50/50. I don't know if Garry forgot that he had 50/50 or if he purposely was hoping for a cross ashi restart even though that's not what he had when they reset occurred. Great match regardless.
As the referee, I'd like to explain how it was not my lack of understanding that . The FIVE Grappling ruleset for the Super League event requires that action that exits the mat border will be stopped, and that submission positions would NOT be recreated, and would instead be restarted standing in the middle. I can't remember exactly, but either that match or the whole event I agreed to an exception that sub attempts that go out of bounds WOULD BE recreated. But, while I recognized Garry's 50/50 inside heelhook position, he was reluctant to recreate it and appeared to be playing dumb. In addition, I don't think Miyao speaks English so he couldn't articulate easily why he was disagreeing with the setup, and somebody coaching Garry was very vocal about how he should position , so it was chaotic. Without the ability to recreate the position fairly for both competitors, I indicated they should stand up. At that instant, Gary decides to finally move to the 50/50 position I had already suggested, but I had already made the decision to stand them up, so I ignored his attempt after the fact and stood them neutral.
If you remember palhares vs David avallan in adcc restarting heelhook positions seems extremely advantageous to the heelhook attacker as the defender relies on dynamic movement started a second or two ahead of attack to bring slack .. basically Starting static will get the defenders leg broken pretty fast. The defender has to move first if both at same time it’s easy leg brake even if your Mr no tap . I think your right to be hesitant to put any athletes in such a position
you can tell Miyao ended up walking funny once the match ended... but he was hopping nonstop before it began. mad skills from both but Gary stayed way busier.
Gary sitting back for the leg as a false attack when he knew the Kimura was stronger and switching to it instead of finalising the leg attack was absolute genius....
Man, anyone else would've tapped on those heel hooks; they were deep and I'm quite sure Joao tore some ligaments there. I wonder if it wouldn't be better to hunt for other submissions against the Miyao brothers, since leg lock attempts don't work. Heck, if Tonon can't leg lock 'em, no one can.
@@agent_pena6955 He revealed on instagram that nothing happened, he says he left the fight and went to give a private lesson, and fought another camp next week. i think his knee is rubber!
15:11 It's clear, even without going slow mo that Miao stud up before Tonnon, yet the judges scored for Tonnon. Commentators said: "if there is a double guard pull, and you come up, you get 2 points, and Garry T. did that and got 2 points" Can someone explain why they scored for Tonnon there ?
For now until we will figure out different things it's just the guard is a very powerful thing and the legs are right there, you are pretty much offering them when you lie on your back just give it time, Jiu-Jitsu always changes
If you look, Miyao wobbles around keeping weight off of his knee when he gets up from a couple of them. They did some damage, he just played it off as best he could
If that's the case, i think it's too much... In my opinion some of these dangerous submissions should be illegal, or i don't know...i might be too drastic here, but i feel that some of those ankle locks could end a fighter's carrier, and this should be allways avoided as much as possible
It's true, it's not good for the sport, but there are already some banned moves in bjj, and i think that the question is : should we protect more the integrity of the sport or the athlete's health? I probably would choose the second option but it's a difficult topic since i understand your argument and i agree with that too. Let's hope that in the future medicine will be able to heal fighters from injuries faster and better, that's probably the best solution to this problem
I don't know of any banned moves at this level other than none grappling moves like eye gouging, punches, etc. and there really shouldn't be. These guys are far from beginners. This is a superfight among multi time champions. If an athlete is too prideful and willing to risk their career and health over loss, especially at this level, then yeah, it's on them, not the sport or community. They made a conscious decision to do something we all know their coaches and teachers told them over and over not to ever do. I look at Judo when I hear your suggestions. Judo, as a sport, and as a fighting art, has greatly been diminished by banning perceived dangerous moves, many of which are used in mma and bjj tournaments all the time without incident. Judo has gone so far as to say you can't even touch your opponents legs anymore during a takedown. No single legs, no double legs, not even a hand touching during any throw or it's a disqualification. It's absurd. What's the point anymore if everything is going to be removed and no one is ever going to be prepared to do or defend against real techniques?
hes a warriror, sometimes i feel bad for him all he has is bjj. he live this all the way. But gotta respect his passion, play compete for bjj not for winnings. That's rare!
The average casual saying they don't like the Miyao game wouldn't last 10 fucking seconds with either of the brothers. A majority of black belts wouldn't last 5 minutes with these guys.
Yea, his RNC and guillotines are top notch. Was his bread and butter before DDS when he was at Ocean County with Almeida and DeBlass. Saw a bit of kimura trap game in this fight, no back opportunities tho.
dude both of them are mosters ! Garry has one of the best leglock games I ve seen and joao is like he cn take back from everywhere ...if only he was stronger...
vou fazer uma pergunta sem maldade, curiosidade mesmo, já percebi em vários videos que os miyao são meio avoados ruins de entrevistas e meio desligados, é o jeitão deles mesmo ou eles tem tipo algum autismo sei la, igual o messi etc.. kkkkk
commentators regarding the double guard pull rule and who gets points by standing up first.....i wonder what is so surprising about that with regards to Gary Tonon?? Its same rules in IBJJF right?? LOL
Só uma coisa! Os gringos estão transformando o jiu/ no gi em uma chatice de ver! Treino Jiu e subi dês de que intendo por gente e nunca vi tanta frescura! Parabéns pelo estilo dos irmão
You got to love the camaraderie. Ref says, “you gotta be holding a grip to go down,” so Tonon extends his hand for Joao to grab and go down legally. Respect for these guys!
Heck yeah, Tonon’s a true warrior. He wants to beat you at your best game, not game the rules to get a win on paper.
Kevin H. “True Warrior” 👍🏼
Instablaster...
Match starts, Miyao sits down, ref stands him up, he sits down again. Lol.
Stupidest sport i ever seen
@@mvlcmlgmclmgkcmlfm man your life must be great right now. Taking the time to comment on a RUclips vid of a sport you don’t respect, I wish i had the time for that
@@mvlcmlgmclmgkcmlfm this match isn’t representative of typical BJJ at all
You gotta have a grip on your opponent to sit down.
@@JiuJitsuTrashcan it actually is
This Miyao guy looks like he hasn't sleep in days.
he drills at night
He has intestinal worms that keep him up at night and make him butt scoot.
Xp waste
@@bak794 underrated comment
Submitting Joao is like trying to submit a soggy noodle
Seriously! When the announcers were saying that Gary was getting frustrated I believe it! Lol
That is why you gotta strangle him. Really only way. He won't tap to joint locks.
But he isnt much of a threat either, gary wasnt in danger at all, he just lost his grip like a bar of soap.
Miyao vs Khabib?
@@joshuamorales1095 the Miyao Brothers are backtaking cyborgs that feel no pain..
3:36 “regular teenager fan” Mickey Musumeci in the background
a room full of monsters
I was saying the same thing lol.
meh... better than most.
grappling monsters but not fighting monsters like a jake shields or lovato jr. big difference in the real world
Michael James i completely disagree because jake shields was almost pounded out cold by ray cooper after he was dropped flat on his face throwing a low kick whilst leaving him self wide open for that left hook counter... So i dont think jake shields would be considered as a “real word”
Striking expert/monster
Btw you might want to stop trying to make it seem like grappling isn’t a legitimate combat sport that is very effective for mma and or for self defense before you have tried it yourself
I've watched this match like 10 times love it
My feet and ankles and knees hurt just watching.
Cant believe the ref just stood them up after Gary got a locked in heelhook. WTF
A little weird but they couldn't agree on where the position ended and the ref understandably probably didn't know as much back then. This match is over 5 years old now and the knowledge on legs was lower. Garry had a 50/50 heel hook when the reset happened but kept wanting to reset in cross ashi. Miyao kept wanting to rest in 50/50. I don't know if Garry forgot that he had 50/50 or if he purposely was hoping for a cross ashi restart even though that's not what he had when they reset occurred. Great match regardless.
As the referee, I'd like to explain how it was not my lack of understanding that . The FIVE Grappling ruleset for the Super League event requires that action that exits the mat border will be stopped, and that submission positions would NOT be recreated, and would instead be restarted standing in the middle. I can't remember exactly, but either that match or the whole event I agreed to an exception that sub attempts that go out of bounds WOULD BE recreated. But, while I recognized Garry's 50/50 inside heelhook position, he was reluctant to recreate it and appeared to be playing dumb. In addition, I don't think Miyao speaks English so he couldn't articulate easily why he was disagreeing with the setup, and somebody coaching Garry was very vocal about how he should position , so it was chaotic. Without the ability to recreate the position fairly for both competitors, I indicated they should stand up. At that instant, Gary decides to finally move to the 50/50 position I had already suggested, but I had already made the decision to stand them up, so I ignored his attempt after the fact and stood them neutral.
@@thegrapplingreferee34 someone will always be mad at the ref. Great job nonetheless
If you remember palhares vs David avallan in adcc restarting heelhook positions seems extremely advantageous to the heelhook attacker as the defender relies on dynamic movement started a second or two ahead of attack to bring slack .. basically Starting static will get the defenders leg broken pretty fast. The defender has to move first if both at same time it’s easy leg brake even if your Mr no tap . I think your right to be hesitant to put any athletes in such a position
you can tell Miyao ended up walking funny once the match ended... but he was hopping nonstop before it began. mad skills from both but Gary stayed way busier.
I like how he just let him hold his hand for a second so he can sit guard
The berimbolo to the back was 😍
Thanks for showing the promotions!
Gary sitting back for the leg as a false attack when he knew the Kimura was stronger and switching to it instead of finalising the leg attack was absolute genius....
agreed. good trap.
such an amazing high level of JJ
This is a great match. Exciting and aggressive grapplers!
Man, anyone else would've tapped on those heel hooks; they were deep and I'm quite sure Joao tore some ligaments there. I wonder if it wouldn't be better to hunt for other submissions against the Miyao brothers, since leg lock attempts don't work. Heck, if Tonon can't leg lock 'em, no one can.
Yeah do something else against meao
I know right!?. Im thinking hes got the heel hook perfect whats goin on lol. Some peoples knees r not neant to break i guess
@@Hosedinho lmao they just dont care when it breaks, garry certainly tore his knees apart
@@agent_pena6955 He revealed on instagram that nothing happened, he says he left the fight and went to give a private lesson, and fought another camp next week. i think his knee is rubber!
Danaher at 4:43... damn, this guy is like the Darth Vader of the sport.
Man, how could Miyao endure those leglocks?
why do you think he sits down
The Miyao brothers have such a special style, it's great to watch, but they always look like bambi's on ice as soon as they stand up.
I heard they sont tap to leg locks
They practiced Judo before BJJ.
I've seen Paulo doing a Seoi Nage.
couple o' ears on these fellas
thanks
Lmao Murilo's reaction @ 15:16
The Miyao are icons of jiu-jitsu, but they never stabilize 3 Seconds to get the points.
Because they can't stabilize for 3 seconds to get the points.
6:25 I BET YA 5 BUCKS JOAO PULLS GUAR ok there he did it... hehehe
congratulations Garry, awesome match
Start of video looks like those interrogations of cartel members by mexican police :D
Hahaha underrated comment
that FRONT ROW THO
what a match!
fighting the Miyao brothers looks like someone trying to change a disobedient toddlers nappy!
you can be a complete novice or not know shit about ju jitsu and still appreciate the complexity and art of this form of martial arts
I dont really understand how they determine who got the two points off the double guard pull. They both sat down and they both stood up.
conner hartman Gary stood up first.
Sou um granda fã do garry, mas o João é atelento natural de mais. . .
15:11
It's clear, even without going slow mo that Miao stud up before Tonnon, yet the judges scored for Tonnon.
Commentators said: "if there is a double guard pull, and you come up, you get 2 points, and Garry T. did that and got 2 points"
Can someone explain why they scored for Tonnon there ?
cause you have to get up and stay up, which is what garry did the second time
12:50... wtf.. anyone else notice that?
??
How many people did Tonon disable practicing all of those leg submissions?
Show sou muito fã João OSS
Fumo um antes da entrevista
the culiflower w these two 🙈
All no gi BJJ matches nowadays is just a non-stop leg lock attempts parade...
vadimyakus right? Why would they ignore the other 50% of human body?
Frank mir vs brock lesnar
Not really
All gi BJJ matches nowadays is just a non-stop no submission parade...
For now until we will figure out different things it's just the guard is a very powerful thing and the legs are right there, you are pretty much offering them when you lie on your back just give it time, Jiu-Jitsu always changes
The Miyao's are Legends. No matter what anyones says...
I love the meow brothers
😹
Ohhh the double leg spreag!
this was basically a super fight...and got one row of audience lol
Miyao brothers are the legends.
The people in the audience are WILD Andre Clark Gracie Mikey stars
Luta linda muita técnica juntas
Who is that commentator, smh.
that's such a good idea (Y)
How can they resist those leg locks attempts? it seems like their knee\foot\ankle is going to break, how can they not get injured?
If you look, Miyao wobbles around keeping weight off of his knee when he gets up from a couple of them. They did some damage, he just played it off as best he could
If that's the case, i think it's too much... In my opinion some of these dangerous submissions should be illegal, or i don't know...i might be too drastic here, but i feel that some of those ankle locks could end a fighter's carrier, and this should be allways avoided as much as possible
kalenz100 Its up to the fighter to know their limits. Banning moves just hurts the sport and the art.
It's true, it's not good for the sport, but there are already some banned moves in bjj, and i think that the question is : should we protect more the integrity of the sport or the athlete's health? I probably would choose the second option but it's a difficult topic since i understand your argument and i agree with that too. Let's hope that in the future medicine will be able to heal fighters from injuries faster and better, that's probably the best solution to this problem
I don't know of any banned moves at this level other than none grappling moves like eye gouging, punches, etc. and there really shouldn't be. These guys are far from beginners. This is a superfight among multi time champions.
If an athlete is too prideful and willing to risk their career and health over loss, especially at this level, then yeah, it's on them, not the sport or community. They made a conscious decision to do something we all know their coaches and teachers told them over and over not to ever do.
I look at Judo when I hear your suggestions. Judo, as a sport, and as a fighting art, has greatly been diminished by banning perceived dangerous moves, many of which are used in mma and bjj tournaments all the time without incident. Judo has gone so far as to say you can't even touch your opponents legs anymore during a takedown. No single legs, no double legs, not even a hand touching during any throw or it's a disqualification. It's absurd. What's the point anymore if everything is going to be removed and no one is ever going to be prepared to do or defend against real techniques?
it's like the human pretzel
Miyao brothers are fucking insects. The back attacks, the hand control, the leg control.. like a preying mantis!
john danaher chilling in the background
I hope they will allow soccer kicks .
Do you guys see Mikey M. in the background, watching?
How does he not tap to those heel hooks. My god my eyes are watering. I wouldn’t walk again after that.
hes a warriror, sometimes i feel bad for him all he has is bjj. he live this all the way. But gotta respect his passion, play compete for bjj not for winnings. That's rare!
why would they give the guy decked out in blue gear a red anklet hahahahah
These commentators need to suck miyao up already
The average casual saying they don't like the Miyao game wouldn't last 10 fucking seconds with either of the brothers. A majority of black belts wouldn't last 5 minutes with these guys.
“Meeeeeeeow”
-Cat
match starts at 2:09
What if he just ran away the entire time since the other just likes to sit down
Não tenho certeza de que esse cara canho
Glad i had headgear as a kid. If I only had a nose guard.
Those legslocks are nasty!!
does garry tonon do anything other than leg locks
Yea, his RNC and guillotines are top notch. Was his bread and butter before DDS when he was at Ocean County with Almeida and DeBlass. Saw a bit of kimura trap game in this fight, no back opportunities tho.
"No gi, no excuses"
knee damage was done to joao.. i can see it by the way he walks right after the match...
Thats why he is doing laps
my god this guy is baked
GO BRASIL!
Man miyao is so awesome
@7:09 Ow.
dude both of them are mosters ! Garry has one of the best leglock games I ve seen and joao is like he cn take back from everywhere ...if only he was stronger...
broccoli or cauliflower?
12:49 Someone tell Clark to get off the dang phone! There's a fight!
19:58 "Like a hawk on a gazelle" 😂😂
Damn that was beautiful.
João tem as pernas d borracha
Luta muito
Oss
Miyao how old????
I don't like how miyao just keeps sitting like c'mon are you so helpless without that position. Sit try to take back and repeat
vou fazer uma pergunta sem maldade, curiosidade mesmo, já percebi em vários videos que os miyao são meio avoados ruins de entrevistas e meio desligados, é o jeitão deles mesmo ou eles tem tipo algum autismo sei la, igual o messi etc.. kkkkk
commentators regarding the double guard pull rule and who gets points by standing up first.....i wonder what is so surprising about that with regards to Gary Tonon?? Its same rules in IBJJF right?? LOL
SL no. You don't get points for coming up in a double guard pull in IBJJF. You get an advantage.
Joao Miyao is so funny.
Acho que eles nunca viram os vídeos do Tiquinho finalizando na chave de pé e pernas.... 😎
What is gary wearing on his ankle
it's a band colored for the judges to use for scoring
Lev Venguerov it's a gay pride ankle warmer that all jujitsu people wear during foot fetish fights
Aids.
Heel hook heel hook........
22:24
man, I would have tapped to those heel hooks... tough as nails.
Who the hell is this commentator
19:56 Echo Charles has a twin??
LMAO
That fluid nasty... I'm a wrestler studying the bjj art
mother fucking leg lock galore 😵
Só uma coisa! Os gringos estão transformando o jiu/ no gi em uma chatice de ver! Treino Jiu e subi dês de que intendo por gente e nunca vi tanta frescura! Parabéns pelo estilo dos irmão
I find miyaos appearance troubling
He seemed so bored ^^
That's how the brothers are. They are not bored. They are just calm and collected.
he looks bored and completely deprived from any sunlight
They have aspergers syndrome.
Marcus Berntsson you think so?
Where's the points for joao, he took the back? That's all your guy got it leg attacks?
Miyao gets locked up, rolls out...
2 points because he got up in a double guard pull. I call it bullshit
Augusto M. C. L. “This is number one bullshit “
Augusto M. C. L. And myiao didn't get points for taking his back. Some bs.
Starts at 2:25
João Miyao amassou o cara. Q roubo foi esse em 👊😡
Vagner sousa tambem concordo !!!
Miyao talks like he's on smack...
milkbunnies what is smack?
heroin
surfer