Brisket Wrap Test
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To see how the foil boat method turned out, check out the video link in the description. Let me know what other experiments you would like to see!
Also, I did the foil boat as a different video because I wanted all the briskets in this test to be the same distance from the fire. I can only go three wide in this pit so I thought it would be unfair to do the foil boat in this comparison because it would have been in a hotter or cooler part of the smoker.
South African now living in California. We South Africans are known for our braai (South African BBQ on wood fire).
I've always loved meat and I've fallen in love with barbecue. I love your channel!
I would love to see a foil boat method with one wrapped in paper and one not.
Can you please do a foil boat without the butcher paper ? I'd love to see how that compares.
Love the fatstack! How fast does it recover after you've had it open, for example, for the length of time when you are standing in front giving an explanation and both doors are up? I have the Lang 84Deluxe. Comes back in under 5 min.
Do the Moe Cason. Hybrid foil/butcher paper. ruclips.net/video/J8grEZFjYew/видео.html
For as much brisket as this dude cooks (as presumably eats), his body must be like 80% smoke ring, by volume.
And moist
HAHAHA :)
Wonder what he does with all that brisket?
He sells meat. Hes said it before
Brilliant
There are lots of BBQ RUclips channels. Yours is by far the most thorough and well thought out. Each one of these videos is exactly what we want to see. Hard, controlled, replicable results without bias. Don’t tell me to do something. Don’t just tell me to do something, tell me why I’m doing it and I’ll learn it.
Have to agree. I'm new to this, and this is the ONLY BBQ channel I've subscribed! Great work.
I have 4 favorite channels (cooking wise) he's one of them.
You can tell that he is actually a scientist
I cook all my brisket unwrapped.... BUT once I pull it from the smoker I wrap it tightly in foil and rest it for 2 hours in a cooler. I find by doing that, that the bark softens up a little bit so you end up with a very nice bark, but still get that full flavor from going unwrapped the entire smoke. Love the videos! Keep them coming!
Great technique will try this one
Same. The resting period is the most important part of the cook
Same
Thank you. You answered a question I had
Add some beef tallow to it as well. Goldees method 👌
I think this is my new favourite brisket/BBQ video. It just goes to show that everyone has a different technique, and more importantly a different palate/preference. What I liked the most, was you weren't like some who tell you that one way or the other is the best or only way to do something. You gave 3 options and you and your wife clearly had different opinions...much like all of us out here in BBQ world. I've only ever done unwrapped and foil...but I have now ordered butcher paper that arrives next week that I'm excited to try. The one nice thing about foil is the juices you collect. Any leftovers I vacuum seal with some of those juices and reheat in the sous vide....moist juicy brisket almost as good as the day it was cooked. Thanks for the great video. Cheers!
In the lower circles of hell they watch this video over and over, but never get a taste.
Very helpful video, I’ve been away from the BBQ game for a few years (3 young kids). I’ve done unwrapped & foil wrapped previously. Looking forward to trying the butcher paper soon. Great channel man, very helpful.
The key to foil-wrapping is to use a "hybrid" technique. I mostly do smaller (under 7#) briskets, and I've become a HUGE fan of the "4-3-2" method. Four hours unwrapped on an open grate, 3 hours wrapped in foil, and 2 hours to finish, sitting in the foil, but with the wrapping opened up to crisp the crust.
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You get fantastic rendering of the fat, incredible tenderness and juiciness, and a delightful amount of smokiness to the flavor. If you think you're not a fan of foil-wrapped brisket, just try this alternative method, and you'll become a fan...
Yes I do that too and it works well. I also do the 'foil boat' method too where you cook it unwrapped to about 165-170 then put it in a foil boat with the top open so the bark stays crispy. Sometimes I put a bit of liquid (beef broth, apple juice, cider vinegar, whatever you like) in the bottom. It comes out pretty much the same as your method but it does get more smoke flavor if that's what you are going for.. Not sure I've ever done the exact same way twice but that's half the fun!
Wym by last 2 to finish... 4 unwrapped 3 wrapped and 2 what?
You inspired me to smoke brisket, and know others feel the same way. Keep up the good work.
Great experiment and presentation. Thanks for taking the time to put it together. Those briskets looked incredible!
Love the acknowledgment of "do it the way you like best." Way too much, "this is the only way to do things" out there. Keep up the good work!! Thanks for making great content!
Gatekeeping is annoying. So what if I smoke for 6 hours, wrap, and finish inside in the oven? I like that quote "there are no rules in the kitchen".
If it's do what's best for you, this hypothesis is busted.
Experimenting only opens the door for everyone. Trying new methods might become a new standard.
Gotta tell ya I’m new to the brisket world & I’m working with a Pitt Boss 1600.Of all the folks I’ve checked out,I like your approach & break down of things.Keep the tech tips coming !
the info is great per usual, but you have stepped up production in an amazing way! Loving the great shots!
Your BBQ channel has the best music btw. Love that delta blues sound.
As an absolute novice/beginner with this craft,I can not wait to practice this teaching myself! Great video!
Thanks for your honest opinions and the fact that everyone of us has a different pallet so we all need to find what works best for our pallet.
I’ve cooked hundreds of briskets ribs butts wild game Etc. Using the foil here in Texas for 40 years but I will try the paper and try it thanks for the videos not to old to learn and try different methods 👍
I've also used foil on around 100 briskets and never had them look like the one he smoked. I think he may have accidentally placed it fat cap down and washed it out a little.
I wrapped all my briskets in foil when I first started doing them. The last 2 have been in butcher paper and the wife and I both thought they were the 2 best so far. Could be a result of just getting better at feeling for doneness at the end but it's definitely what we're going to be doing from here on out. Fortunately,. brisket is delicious no matter what you do. Overcook it, undercook it, it really doesn't matter. There are varying levels of deliciousness but I've yet to have one not be delicious.
Texas' own Aaron Franklin uses the butcher paper, I'm telling you....I used to be a foil guy, but you will get WAY better park with paper than you do with the foil!
Honestly, I've never had a BAD brisket.
I promise, even the last place in a cookoff is delicious.
I've done bare, foil, paper, and even aluminum pans covered in foil.
In my experience, if you have to rest a real long time or even chill before slicing, the bark is still pretty but tends to be soft, no matter the method.
Did you try the paper?
Thank you for all of the great tips.✨ I have a smoker made from a 1952 Hotpoint fridge, it works very well. I use usually Kiawe (mesquite) sometimes mixed with fresh guava wood or for a stronger taste Ohia wood and have great success with wild pig and game birds, but that elusive brisket I haven't mastered. I think your video will have me on the right path.
Love this mate. One of the best briskets i've personally had was from a "no wrap" cook. Loving it all the way from Australia.
I love how you don't down the methods you didn't as much for. Also, how you point out not everyone likes things the same way. Really good content on your channel.
Thank you for sharing your scientific approach to compare wrapping techniques! This was an expensive and time consuming test for you that we can all benefit from. Thank you!!
im so glad you've grown this much. i havent watched you since you had around 25k, ill def continue watching from now on
i cant stop this BRISKET obsession due to this video... Awesome work Man.
Damn Jeremy, seeing these new videos always reminds me of when I first watched your channel when you didnt even have a thousand subscribers. A long ways and as always, videos top notch and all of us amateur's really appreciate videos like these to give us alot of knowledge. Wish me luck, smoking a 18lb Costco prime tomorrow!
Thanks for the continued support! I really appreciate it
Hey Jeremy, really appreciate your content and your views on the world of BBQ.
Just subbed! Will be going back to watch all your videos and get learned !
I have to say that of all the BBQ videos on the Tube, I do enjoy yours the most. I really need to up my game. I'm fairly new to attempting to smoke briskets - about 2 years, all on a Weber gas grill, all unwrapped. Definitely plan to start wrapping, and incorporating more of your tips.
Last night I was starting to tell my wife about one of your videos and she interrupted me at one point. To resume I said, "So, my friend Jeremy Yoder..." I may not actually know you, but from your videos you seem like someone that I would want to be friends with. Thank you for all you do.
I have to agree. The video work and editing are differentiators - and the content is pretty nice too. 😀
😂 haha that’s so funny. We all have people we follow for our hobbies. I feel the same way with the people I follow. My wife also has to suffer through me telling her about stuff I watch. Good luck with your future cooks and I appreciate the support
I just did my 3rd brisket ever last weekend using the Texas Crutch with foil. My 8-pounder took 15 hours at 225. It was really juicy but there wasn't really a good bark. Yours is the 3rd video to advocate for butcher paper, so I'm definitely going to give it a try. Thanks!
It’s been a year later, what’s your thoughts on butcher paper??
Great info! Thank you for sharing. We have a tendency to just do whatever we see others do but it's refreshing to hear that we can do whatever we want!
Thanks for making vthis video bro. Glad you're taking the time to share this with us. 💪🏾
sometimes you gotta just get in there and test it out. Great info!
Awesome to see you here! You should add a pulled pork sandwich to the sandwich series!
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Thanks for making vthis video bro. Glad you're taking the time to share this with us. 💪🏾
@@MadScientistBBQ This could be heresy, but what if you reversed the process by doing the wrapped cooking first (to get the softness), then finishing in smoke to develop the bark? I know that would make the brisket more delicate to handle, but have you heard or tried this?
I did just try doing my first bbq brisket. I did the foil wrap and yeah it was a little less juicy than I wanted.
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You should test this and let us know. The current belief is that the uncooked to rare stage is better for smoke to penetrate the meat to five you the smoke ring - but maybe that’s false, let us know.
I've found that wrapping in foil but not tightly gets the best of all worlds. Allows the vapor to escape but also allows for faster cooking.
there's a method out there similar to this that involves venting the foil right before the end to finish.
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Great video! Every method has something to offer, but for me, unwrapped takes me back to being a kid in west Texas and my dad smoking briskets constantly on his home built offset, with some tips he learned being a friend of Stubbs. I try to imitate those childhood memories!
I foresee a roadtrip to Snow's BBQ in Lexington, it's just a couple hours north of me. I ordered the cookbook you suggested, looking forward to getting in to it. Great video. Keep it up.
Nicely done. Not too long, right to the point. Loved it
Still my favorite bbq RUclips channel. I’ve done brisket all ways(sometimes accidentally). Lol. But seriously if you get the meat tender, you’ll please the crowd. The knife on the bark of the unwrapped brisket is very cathartic for me. Haha. Like bare feet in bluegrass.
Video on Best Resting Methods & Fatside Up vs Down during Wrap stage & Resting Stage would be a Great Science Experiment!
There are a lot of those already
Foil boat is ridiculously interesting to me. Keep up the good work!
I love your channel, I am both a scientist (Computational Biologist), Teacher, and BBQ / smoker enthusiast I love the mash of the science and BBQ you do!
Great tutorial and experiment! You’ve come a long way! Love the taste test and the 3 methods! There was a experiment done on Meat Church with foil and butcher paper. The guy who used foil rested his brisket in butcher paper to firm up the bark on his. And it came out pretty good! I still lean towards the butcher paper myself but I have used the Texas Crutch when I’m running late on delivery. But ultimately I have to know my audience when I cater. But I’m just a backyard barbecuer and people are just happy I did all the cooking. Cheers my man! Love your videos!
WHY IS THIS FOOTAGE SO BEAUTIFUL i didn't come here for it but gawd dam
I'm so glad i found your workout. ❤ Love everything about them. Especially your uplifting comments at the end
Interesting to see the different results between you, good job!
Everyone has their own little trick. One that I was taught is that if you wrap in foil, don't finish in foil. Unwrap it toward the end and finish it in the smoke. That will dry the exterior some and get some fresh smoke in at the end.
Second this. I started doing it after my third brisket, and haven't looked back. Wrap it in foil to get it through the stall, then unwrap at 195°F internal and return it to the grate uncovered to finish. I use a Kamado, and will put 2-3 small chunks of mild wood in the very bottom of the grill literally in the ash tray for this final leg of the cook.
What a great idea. Can this be done with a porkbutt for pulled pork?
@@1989inception In theory. I have never tried it that way. I wonder if it wouldn't be better for brisket, since ultimately a pork butt is just going to get pulled.
You’re an artist man! I’m a smoking newbie and brisket is so tough to get consistently right. I think I’m batting 0.500....all your cooks look awesome! Juicy!!!
You are the man! This is my first comment on social media. Thank you for the time and amount of detail you put into your videos.
Thank you for the video , I have tried all three ways and like yourself when I did all three different I had the same results, I appreciate all your tips on spritzing the meat , thank you and have a good one !
My best brisket so far came when I added tallow when wrapping with butcher paper AND placing it in a small foil boat to collect all the juices.
We didn't have tallow so we tried bacon fat. Came out fantastic.
Great video man! Personally I like the most when Brisket is wrapped with Foil and so does the family. However, when I have friends who really love BBQ coming over, they all agree that Butcher papers gets the job done the best! Have u tried wrapping with foil and then let it run naked for the last hour of the cook? It has worked for me! Cheers from Finland
You've really stepped up the video quality lately, I like it😁
I've done all 3 methods multiple times. I definitely prefer Peach Butcher paper wrap through "The Stall" of evaporative cooling. Each has its merits and I appreciate your scientific approach; as this is hard to do justly with the amount of experience and preferences you've accumulated. Bravo!
Another great video Jeremy. I just wanted to comment on how I appreciate your unbiased opinions and the examples of the great BBQ places using the different kinds of techniques. Personally I have not had the same success with the butcher paper as the foil. Maybe it’s still lack of experience and the foil is more forgiving, and maybe it’s just my smoker but I definitely prefer foil right now.
I’ll keep watching and learning and maybe that’ll change. Keep the great videos coming.
Martin, NL Canada
Ive only done two whole briskets in my life. The first one was unwrapped, because I didnt know what I was doing. The second one was after watching MSBBQ wrap it in butcher paper, so I did the same. Trimmed, seasoned, cooked, rested about the same. My family and I prefer the butcher paper. My next brisket will be wrapped in butcher paper. And likely the one after that! It's rare that a family of 3, two adults and 1 toddler, will completely consume a 15lb brisket in two days!
U never tried with foil tho
I recently bought a Traeger 885 pellet smoker, I did a few small items, at first. And worked up to doing a brisket, following the recipe (i know mistake) nothing was mentioned about wrapping the brisket. It turned out just ok in my book, too burnt on the bottom, and not super moist. Went thru the "Stall" without even knowing what it was. Did a few more cooks, then did a brisket again, following your one video on the 5 ways to tell when to wrap. I wrapped it in butcher paper and pulled it at 185, let it rest for an hour before slicing it, it was tender, very moist, and had a nice bark. I think i'll wrap in paper from here on out. I wrapped ribs in foil, they were the best ribs i have ever made. Enjoy your video's very much.
Great research 🙂 For even more science you could do a double blind test for the tasting with 3 or more persons. Have them fill out a form about the taste, that way it'll be fully objective.
You should add a small timer in one of the corners so we know how long into each cook you are!
Jeremy, another awesome video. I am more a ribs man than brisket, but gotta love this focus on brisket that you and Harry are doing.
Excellent review and very very helpful thank you for taking the time and sharing with all of us . Stay safe . Cheers
I cooked a brisket last night and when it was time to wrap I realized I had no access to butcher paper, as I pondered my dilemma I remembered that my local municipality had banned the use of plastic grocery bags which led me to the fact I had a plethora of paper grocery sacks.
Long story short I put my brisket in a properly inspected paper grocery bag and wrapped it tight , the result was as equal to the butcher paper.
Glenn in Seattle
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing.
The worst bs I've ever read. Lol. Who doesn't know they don't have the items to finish off a packer when smoking one? Amateur hour? Butcher paper is nowhere near a common grocery bag and it's down right hilarious to read this. Almost every household has foil? Did Seattle ban that too? Lol probably but still, don't spew bs please. Thanks.
Would really like to see a video on how you rest your briskets overnight without drying them out. Anything more than 90 minutes in a cooler for me ends up continuing to cook and gets dry.
Leave the lid cracked an inch or 2
@@TMJ32 wished I did that my first brisket I put in cooler and shut and wasn’t as tender as I like even was still decent
Did you let it cool in new paper to about 170 then put it in the cooler?
Great video, I love the guitar tunes during the montages.
My wife edits the videos and usually has me choose the songs from some options. Glad you like the music!
outstanding !! what has helped me is to buy a spiral notebook and / or create an m.s. word file and make notes. i cannot remember half of what i watched, but when i go to my notes when the mad scientist emphasizes a point i can recall much better. i too experiment on the pit. the videos are motivating. as i speak i am spooning out the beef tallow on the colored butcher paper wrapping up a tri-tip after spraying every 30 minutes with a mixture of acv and water. when you take action and do something like this that takes effort you will find that your mood changes. you will fail, succeed, repeat , repeat but then you start to develop confidence. great post, you are making a difference in this world......make it an exceptional bbq weekend. !
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I’ve been waiting for you to do this. You’ve confirmed what I’ve always thought. It’s the pink paper for me. Thanks!
I couldn’t find the pink butcher paper near me, but I found some white butcher paper? It seems to work okay, but is the pink much better?
@@ericcarr7557 not sure where you live but many grocery stores including Walmart have started carrying the pink paper due to its popularity. I’m not an expert on the differences but I think the white paper has more of a wax type coating and is mostly used to wrap and freeze meat. I’ve seen comments on other videos where people have used it but have never actually known anyone who did so can’t say if it has any benefits or drawbacks.
as ever, a brilliant video and one ive been waiting for from yourself.
Finished up a Christmas brisket. 16hr smoke time. First time Ive done the peach paper wrap. Im sold! Brisket came out with a decent bark and was moist as ever. 😊😊❤
Thanks for the science. All of my briskets turn out flavorful and amazing in heavy duty foil double wrap. I get so many requests for a cup of the juice :) I also do things a little different, with a temp of 250 and 8 total cook time. and eaten the same day within 4 to 6 hours. I can't wait to get back to cooking for 100's of people. :)
Maybe you should’ve done a blind taste test. Like blindfold yourself and let your wife hand you the pieces. That way, your bias towards the butcher paper (face it, you do have a bias in favor of it) would absolutely not come into play. Just my thought/suggestion.
Did you catch the end where his wife tasted them blind?
I'm into the plain Jane , no wrapping for me please. There is no wrong way . Brisket is just so good and it's even better the next day and the next day ...
I will have to try the butcher paper way though. Great video !
I wish this was a double blind test!! get someone to put hidden labels under the briskets, swap them around randomly, then take someone who doesn't know which is which to give pieces to jeremy in blindfold, so jeremy can't tell which is which and neither does the person giving him the pieces, but since a third person labeled the briskets underneath, they can find out what's what after tasting.
@@GrillTopExperience I did. Knowing his personal preference before this and the fact that their answers were complete opposite makes me think his biases played into his answers.
I agree, it’s a biased opinion...nothing wrong with that, as we all have a preference
Awesome video. Looked like a lot of effort went into this one.
Thanks for the video. I was just wondering about this and was going to ask you to do a video. Then I did a search on your site and vola you already made it ;). Your videos have really helped me out. Many many thanks.
Could you do a video that compares doing a video with multiple wraps, perhaps 3-4 times wrapped in butcher paper vs once or twice
You mean multiple layers of butcher paper vs just one or two?
I need a sign now that says "No Rules in the Kitchen" As an home chef (took culinary arts in college) I believe in one rule of the kitchen.....Don't touch my knives LOL. After that there are no rules. Make food fun and make the kitchen be the best place to hang out in your home, be it inside or outside.
Appreciate these videos brother. Like that you are truthful with the bites. Heck I wanted to try them lol!!.
I appreciate all the hard work you go through to make these highly informative videos!
I use two griddle spatulas to move the brisket around instead of grabbing it so it doesn’t mess up the bark and I don’t have to put on gloves in the middle of the cook. If you have a sturdy set they won’t bend when lifting a whole brisket. It might not be feasible in your situation but it works great for me.
I heard a tip from someone to put some Wagyu Beef Talo on the paper wrap.
I wonder if the "best" would change if you used a different smoker like an offset vs a pellet smoker. Or would it basically be the same?
No way would a pellet ever be as good
@@llemmon I realize that, but I'm asking if you did unwrapped, butcher paper, and foil ALL on a pellet grill, which one would be the best
Love that you did this video Bubba God bless stay safe man can’t wait to start my own experiences
Great video!. I'm learning a lot from you! One day I will travel from Brazil just to meet you in Texas and say thank you!
These are great. Have you tried fat side up vs. fat side down?
What’s the reason you would do it up? N
@@macneilssmokedmeats3832 I use a weber smokey mountain and have read as well as heard the heat goes up the sides to the dome so the top is hottest part. Fat side up protects it from that. I tried it up once and didn't get the bark I wanted. I'm wondering if the fat up effected that. I don't know, fairly new and trying to figure out what is best.
@@michaelc6868 I just got a Weber performance so that’s why I was curious, tonight maybe different smokers did different things ya know
best brisket you've had in months and didn't use beef tallow. just an observation :)
Great content!! Thank you for the video and the work you put into it!!!
great vid as i am just getting ready to be my 1st brisket. I appreciate the honesty in it and that there wasn't a lot of worthless talk just to make the vid longer. keep up the great work.
The sweet spot I recently discovered is to wrap in butcher paper then wrap in foil. 😁 You get maximum heat retention with also the benefit of wicking away excess moisture. I won’t do it any other way now.
Dang now I have another method to test out
@@MadScientistBBQ yes, totally want to see this! I know Harry Soo sometimes does this with his briskets but idk if the butcher paper would still serve its purpose whilst being wrapped in foil also, but an experiment is the only way to make sure
what if you boat the naked brisket? In theory you should retain the crunchy exterior and maintain a good amount of moisture, especially if you have a water pan.
I really wish I lived next door to u after an episode like this... what do you do with all that 🍖 after all this "testing?"
Thank you for the vid, good stuff. I personally have tried opening the foil up for about 15 mins to let the steam out then wrapped it back up. Seems to keep the bark a little more while providing a juicy brisket. Just food for thought
love your scientific methods around the testing. I don't cook enough brisket in a year to build a great test set, so I'll just go with butcher paper until I can get my tenderness where I like it.
Im thinking chuds method is best I have seen.
I wanna see that bone in brisket you posted on ig!!
It’s coming up. Filmed it but I probably will release it in week or two
Dude rubbed himself in brisket fat to be able to slide into that ad like he did
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Great video - proved to me that wrapping is essential. The other key is resting the brisket in a cooler for 1-1/2 hour.
I really enjoy these videos. As a newbie to smoking I've been using a Bradley. I started out cooking Brisket unwrapped but switched to butcher paper to speed up the finish. I regularly have family and friends over for BBQ and the comments last Summer were that the Brisket done in butcher paper was better. I rested the last two briskets one for two hours and one for five hours. The longer rested also got more favourable comments.
Lifting the lid entirely too often. If you’re lookin’, you ain’t cookin’.
I love this video because I always wrap with foil but have never had a head to head test. I have butcher paper be just haven't used it. This was a good test with an honest response. I like the results that you got with the butcher paper and think that I will swap to it for a while.
A great vid and honest results, thanks for sharing.
Glad for the info in the video man! I’ve done these ways myself and feel like butcher paper works the best but I wait a while to get that bark settled in good first.
Going to cook my first brisket in an off set smoker tomorrow. Thanks for all your advice, mate :)
Amazing job! Well done.
AS a chef I appreciate your honesty instead of pushing your opinion. Thank you
slick commercial insert, all the home bbq/cook-offs i been to said 'commercial break' when you hit the 'hands covered in...' line
This is such a good video with all other factors controlled and a blind tasting. I've tried foil wrapping and didn't like the soft bark. My best results were the ones wrapped with butcher paper coated with Wagyu beef tallow. But I have always wanted more juiciness (fat) out of the flat and have found that coating the sliced flat with the smoked tallow/drip makes the flat so much better because of the perceived juiciness.