They were lapping up the blood like hungry flies .I was in Rockville for much of that time,strange feeling to be scanning areas you visit before moving,then hustling about,filling a gas tank was not a fun thing either,,though one thing we were looking for was a white van ,with a driver of the same color.......thanks media !
It is the American government that does not care about life. Civilized countries do not have mass shootings like we do in the United States. If Americans did not want shootings to continue it would not be technically difficult to devise a policy solution that would achieve that outcome. Unfortunately, Americans simply don’t think shootings are a bad thing. The media simply holds up a mirror.
Its not the press that mess up investigations, its the piece of shit who leaked the sensitive information to the press, possibly the police regulations that allow such sensitive info into the hands of foolish, loud mouth cops who blab to their press buddies. I hate the press as much as anyone, but they are a necessary annoyance to ensure evil is brought into the light.
@@trock6921 what's is wrong with him bragging about that. The news is nothing more than a fake ass scripted bullshit . What ever happened to ebola? What happened to y2k end of the world? Lmmao that's news isn't it. Stupid is as stupid does
@@trock6921 you may not remember the bullshit story years ago that we are “running out of oil”.... this was in the 70’s. Still driving. Using gas... made from oil.
No doubt! For the media to do that, it really shows you that they care more about a story, than human life...! It's quite sickening! Chief Moose was under enough pressure already, and then they go and pull a stunt like that.....
After watching this I can understand why the police and media don't get a long most times. The media behaved so badly and in my opinion was responsible for some of the people who died.
I agree 100%. They truly are at the bottom with serial killers and rapists. Fuck the media. If another "Lee Malvo" starts taking out media scum, I know there are quite a few who would not feel sorry for them at all.
Mohamed wanted to shoot 6 white people a day for a month, but you somehow think the media had anything to do with it. The media is the only reason they were found.
One of the officers couldn't keep his mouth shut....thats who was really at fault. A bad media is alot harder/impossible to maintain, as it's a reflection of your whole culture at that moment. I don't blame that chief though, I blame the public for having pretty low standards of conduct by officers in a few key ways in several police districts.... We've got a good department where I live now, but about half the outside hires we end up getting rid of because they are, frankly a liability--hot-headed and/or immature.
I was just going to write that the press are scum and dont seem to think of public safety and there careers are more important. There should be some kind of criminal charges brought against them, if there cant be then the law has to change.
One news conference the police said the truckers (I believe there was 2) wished to keep their identity withheld. Certainly can't blame them with the way the media is
Having lived through this, I can attest to the general accuracy of this documentary with an exception. I never missed a single day of school for the sniper, and the impact this event had on fall sports was exaggerated. We had to run laps around the school hallways for cross-country practice, and in marching band they made going to away games optional.
Yeah, it started to really bother him. If I recall, correctly, after the kid was shot, Chief Moose almost broke down into tears..... I live in Fredericksburg, VA., so I was watching everything that had to do with this case/investigation.
Place yourself in his shoes, it's allready burdening carrying responsibility for kids or even a drunk friend, now imagine it's the entire district and it's their lives at stake.
The way I remember it, Two truckers confirmed the tag, blocked the entrance and exit, I dont think they got the reward.We need a Truckers alert on alot of things like this.I started a Trucker news net,but we need an app with pictures,like the amber alert. I'm probably going to have to make one myself. Just give us a tag number and we are on it...I remember driving through Ohio when that guy was up there too. A heads up with some Intel would be appreciated... - Peace🎩
350k went to the snipers friend in Tacoma who identified and gave all info on both killers after realizing it was for sure his friend. The other 150k went to the first person who called in the license plate per police phone logs.
@@abigaildeeks8328 The guys were sleeping in the car so they weren't going anywhere. The original caller who first called in the license plates at the rest stop got 150k. The 350k went to the guy who first identified the actual killers, whom he was friends with. The truckers could have actually caused more chaos, blocking the exit, waking the guys up, which could have lead to a hostage situation. Generally what they did was good, but it may have been smarter to have one trucker watch the car, and the other trucker be on the ready to block the exit if the car started to leave. Fortunately things worked out. Also, most of the 1/2 million that was awarded, ended up being given by the two to the families of the victims, so in the end, the victims families got most of the money. So its all good.
During this time I saw a cop working a traffic accident like a sitting duck. It wasn't sniper-related which was heroic duty. It was just a wreck that needed a cop. And he worked it out in the open without backup. That left an impression on me.
similarly, there were bunch of volunteers willing to fill gas for customers. I visited a gas station and was going to put the nozzle in and go and sit inside.. these volunteer guys told me to just sit inside and they filled it for me.. that time i realized, what i coward i was :(
@@madmax797 Its ok to be a coward and live another day. Everyone is different. Sometimes to be a coward is also to be brave. You're still alive - that has to be worth something, right?
@@cluelessbeekeeping1322 No; they're not. Most police depts. and their officers are dedicated professionals who are there for the public at all hours of the day, day in, day out, year round. There are cops who are dangerous assholes that should be booted from the force, but they're a minority. There are assholes everywhere: in all professions, in all strata of society. Blaming all cops for the few who are schmucks is disingenuous.
Clueless beekeeping you know people say only a few cops are bad. Well watch one of the rogue cops do something wrong, let's say beat up someone who is handcuffed. Then watch as the other cops do nothing to stop the attack or help cover it up by not reporting it. You are correct in that someone needs to police the police. Because they do not police themselves. Well they investigate but always find nothing was done wrong.
Heading south out of Washington, driving a big truck.. ( tractor trailer) I was following a white van in the right lane. Suddenly a group of press jumped out from the trees onto the apron of the roadway. The Van hit their brakes...I lit up my trailer tires not to run into the back of the van. This could have ended badly. I was using my air horn to get that van going!.. Seeing I was trying not to hit him. The van took off.. No wreck... Thank God.! ... Stupid press, for what? Someone could have gotten killed. The truck driver usually gets the blame. A truck driver got these guys in a rest area...
You're full of shit. Its thousands upon thousands of white vans on the Freeway. No way did the media jump from trees to stop one white van. How the fuck would they even know where and when this said white van would pass that area. Who the fuck jumps out of trees on a highway? Why would the van even stop. None of what you said makes any sense.
That won't stop a disgruntled killer . The news is probably the only means of getting the word out about cases like this . it's people do these things at the end of the day .there is pretty much no point blaming the news
@@mrronan2007 Cable 'news' shows are produced to make money, not to inform or protect the populace. They make more money from tragedy and pain, and aren't really in the business of stopping anything. I manage to survive and stay informed without cable TV news. Also, local radio stations keep me informed of what I need to know.
To keep schools open with a sniper running around was a very dumb thing to do. I know that I would never send my child to school with a psycho sniper running around killing people.
Very well done and respectful how each victim is shown with their name and age. This tragedy seems to focus on the killers but this video took a minute to remember the victims.
"Finally, after 22 days of murder and mayhem Chief Moose and his investigators had the prime sniper suspects in custody." Yeah all thanks to an attentive truck driver whom the police didn't even bother to mention my name, or sought fit to thank. Instead they all slapped each other on the back and congratulated each other for a job well done. They should have stood up there at that podium and apologized for their inept handling of this investigation, and in which their bungling cost lives.
Man only if what people knew what that man went through. He is a true national hero in my eyes. Not only dealing with one of the most horrific serial killings in US history, but dealing with the media as well. Most people would have quit that job. I bet he didn't get very much sleep due to the stress of it all.
@@leo29hornsfan I was also very impressed by police chief Moose while watching this; such genuine displays of sympathy are rare, both amongst the police and in general.
I know it's Lovejoy not Anthony Valentine but I couldn't help thinking the narrator would at any moment break into "..Frys Turkish Delight..full of eastern promise"
I was living in Bellingham at the time Mohomad was living in the homeless shelter. I saw him outside with that duffel bag...not knowing his ar15 was inside that bag.
@Blood Beryl That reminds me, _your_ mother told me to tell you get off YT and do your middle-school homework. Right after she coughed up a load of my spunk.
By the way, has anyone looked into who was giving the press information before the police? I'd want them up on obstruction of justice charges at the very least!
Probably a cop with a conscience - maybe with children themselves - thinking the public should be aware of the danger. Would you, if you were a resident of the area, prefer to have this information kept from you?
Mike Sheen more people got killed because the media released everything the police were doing to try to catch the sniper. I would prefer the police catch the murderers and not the media, so yes I would prefer that they not mess with an investigation involving a mass murderer on the loose.
To be honest, I would much rather have the police catch the creep first, THEN have the press report on it! In this instance though, the danger was clear so warning the public was important. HOWEVER. There's a big difference between warning the innocent and telling the perp what the police know, or worse, releasing information BEFORE the police have a chance to act on it. Lives were at stake. How many people died because the shooters were forewarned by the press? In my opinion. That kind of reporting should leave you open to prosecution as an accessory. Now, before all you Americans start screaming about the first amendment, let me say this. The press have a great deal of power and to quote the late awesome Mr Lee, with great power comes great responsibility. The modern press seem to have forgotten that.
@@MikeSheen1972 it seems to have come from the Federal level. one message was media released an hour before the local police even got the read the note. Cops get into barrier fights all the time; the RCMP and local cops have real hard ons for each other, especially Quebec le Surette and Vancouver police. they either want all the lglory or it's get even time and destroy the others' credibilty for later. Seen it myself.
I know the media would say they've got a job to do... I'd have thought they have a bigger job to exercise their brains and consciences and use some common sense. It it wasn't released by the Chief, don't report it.
@callyharley Sadly, it's been proven that the police lie ALL the time. If cops would start being honest maybe the media would be willing to trust what the police tell them and only report that info. Don't blame the media for a problem that cops created. And "we the people" SHOULD NOT allow the government to make laws to censor the free press. That's a really slippery slope that we should not want to go down.
@Mildly Amusing Channel Don't lump the police in with the media. There are something like 18,000 law enforcement agencies in the United States. They form part of the public trust, which they sometimes break. But for the most part, they do what we need them to do. The media? A very different beast. Truth in reporting is not its priority. Profit is at the top of the list, which makes them far more mercenary in the way they conduct themselves. They have agendas, they have biases. Not only does the truth not matter anymore, facts don't matter anymore.
R P Boi stfu nowhere in the Quran says to forcefully convert people and attack people of other religions if you’re not attacked yourself; I have read the book front to back 3 times in my life, in 4 different languages. Nation of Islam doesn’t represent me, they don’t even represent Black Muslims. They drink alcohol, and believe in race wars. Literally going against everything core Islam teaches. So fuck off with that shit dude.
22:13, the lead on the white van - I was in the area at the time and the thing about the white van was very true and this documentary understates how terrified people were - when the lead on the white van came out, people were remarking how white vans were EVERYWHERE and how common they were and white vans were being pulled over all the time for inspection they also don't talk about the roadside inspections where they were checking EVERY vehicle coming in the Beltway and that made a 20 minute commute a 3+hour trip so everyone was exhausted and many people were driving in the side lanes- the traffic congestion was horrible and since people were in the side emergency lane, it was blocking ambulences and all kinds of secondary medical problems were happening as people were unable to get to medicine like insulin they had at home or to doctors or hospitals- since even the emergency the lanes were blocked by jerks trying to get around the checkstops, it blocked access for emergency vehicles so fires were worse and many people died who wouldn't have otherwise and weren't direct shooting victims of the Beltway Snipers because of lack of ambulance access also they blame the media for misleading the public about the white van but the police don't mention that they had pegged the sniper as a typical white lone wolf type guy, and they were way off on that one the fear was thick in the air, palatable and everyones eyes were darting around in terror it was almost surreal
I lived in Germantown, MD with my family at time of the killings. We were all terrified by this episode. I remember going to the gas station and standing so my car door and the gas pumps blocked the view of a potential sniper - pretty useless but I had to do something. The "white van" lead was ridiculous considering the hundreds, or even thousands, of white vans used by tradespeople in the DC area. We have often stopped in the rest area where the snipers were apprehended on WB I-70 between Frederick and Hagerstown, MD. As it turns out, the snipers used a Chevy car with a hole dilled in the trunk. It is on display at the Newseum in DC.
My Grandpa is Pascal Charlot. He is the man who is mainly talked about in this video from 6:49 to 7:53. He was the only victim murdered in Washington D.C !!!!! He was on his way to a pharmacy to get a prescription filled out for his wife !!!!! I miss you a lot grandpa !!!!! I would like to apologize for my foul language but FUCK YOU to both John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo for murdering my grandpa !!!!! In my opinion they are both responsible for my grandpa's murder even if only one of them pulled the trigger !!!!!
@@red_marbles1708 Charlot was the name given in France to Charlie Chaplin's character. Just an fyi. I am from France and grew up watching Charlot flics.
God, that was such a crazy frightening time. One of the shootings (the boy at Benjamin Tasker Middle School) happened on my work commute, on a two lane road. Somehow I missed the shooting by five minutes. A few days later I was at work in an office building in Bowie when a white box truck was pulled over, surrounded by six county/unmarked police cars, the driver was face down on the pavement, handcuffed, with at least three guns pointed at his head. After a very tense 90-100 minutes, the driver was let go, probably scared out of his mind. The whole time period was tense and unlike anything I had ever seen before. The memories are still so vivid, almost 20 years later.
I have known an ex-French Foreign Legion, if you knew one you wouldn't dismiss it so fast. Luckily most of them continue as Mercenaries rather than taking it out on the public.
Anyone remember how the media turned on the chief of police because he was mad at the media n called them out for releasing the information about the card. How they started releasing info about his life. Following his family.
You mean CNN, MSNBC, etc. You can't possibly blame one channel for breaking it if the others then dogpile on it afterwards. That's just intellectually disingenuous. Even Fox News jumped on this, because as much as you want to blame one company, they all operate on the same level.
Republican-ish but disparaging CNN? *shocked* Bet you're surprised when McConnell pushes anti-abortion legislation as a pro-lifer but also cuts funding to CHIP as anti-big-government and don't see the inherent hypocrisy.
Am wondering what year this actually did happen. The opening scene starts out ``. . . .that October was . . .'' am looking it up . . . OK, was '02. Oh, edited to say, annoyed that Don Vito uses ``u'' character for word, ``you.''
You did it mate well done and great effort I'm from uk and I'm do proud of you. Hey don't worry about those you can't save God bless and may they rest in peace but think of those that you saved. .. don't dwell but rather know in your heart you saved many.. once again well done.
I recently listened to a great audiobook on the DC sniper case: "Call me god". Even though it was written by former FBI agent, it really highlights the ineptitude of US law enforcement. One unbelievable scene was when they found a letter, suspected to be from the killer, near one of the crime scenes. In the middle of one of the biggest investigations in US history, there was no proper organization. The local town sheriff, stood in a car park, surrounded by a random collection of representatives from the myriad of redundant law enforcement agencies and called for a show of hands to decide what they should do with the evidence just discovered. The only reason the killers were found was that someone who knew them called the FBI and told them who their identities and the car they were driving.
Regardless they'd of been caught.. When u have a sniper loose in a city how can u do tings in a organised fashion it was on the fly bro.... Hard to stop a gunman in a boot
Could the chief not just shut out the media? I think in most countries the police would just say "no comment". Then again, this doesn't really happen anywhere else. Much respect for the guy though, he must have been under immens pressure.
"Bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms"..... I'm from the Netherlands and I'm flabbergasted how, in America, firearms fall in the same category as alcohol and tobacco......
They're not under the "same category." They are just three things this particular federal agency, a bureau within the federal Department of Justice, deals with, chosen only because there's no other agency or bureau the three things properly fit into.
Lmao that caught me too. I guess he thinks the public's knowlege of guns is so rudimentary that he had to dumb it down as much as he did, to the point where it's just wrong lol
I'm pretty sure this is narrated by Ian McShane and the Sniper's first name was John? It took several years but that was an even better choice than originally intended
@Samsung McKone I also used to think they were the fourth estate but once I looked into it I realized that they are not. The mainstream media has an agenda and has lied multiple times. This is well documented. They have abdicated their role as the "fourth estate" and actively work to subvert the republic. Look up the annual FBI "Operation Cross Country", which arrests people who are prostituting children, and ask yourself why the perpetrators are never listed by name or have their photos shown by national media. Some local news organizations will publish the names and photos and the perpetrators are overwhelmingly Black. The MSM lies by omission when they decide not to cover it. We still hear about Dylann Roof, the scumbag who killed Black people at a church but there have been at least two shootings of Whites in churches by Blacks and you can't name the killers. The story is buried.
@Samsung McKone Typical. I responded to you with a statement of facts and you come back with an accusatory wall of text. Here's an example of CNN lying through selective editing. "With his sister calling for peace" when she was actually telling the rioters to attack the White suburbs. Yes, they apologized after the outrage when they were called out by other non-MSM journalists. What else could they do? ruclips.net/video/ZpWf6b2T3uE/видео.html Based on your response I know you'll just come up with another wall of text insinuating that I am a conspiracy theorist so I'm not going to bother giving you other evidence. It exists in abundance. No one is buying your "fourth estate" delusion any more.
It's interesting that the FBI formulated a profile of the killer, yet they didn't relate the specifics in the documentary when given the opportunity. I'm sure that the profile was exact, because they're expert FBI profilers, yet surely they could have lauded the work done by themselves to augment the public's belief that they are good at catching killers
43:06 - they were separated and um.. uh.. *and cared for..* he managed to convey so much without saying anything at all. now that's a professional. by *"cared for"* i can assume that the vicious ass kicking that was provided probably required a lengthy hospital visit.
I live 15 mins. away from the Fredericksburg Gas Station death..... Everyone was terrified around here and when they say they closed 95, they closed it...!!!! No traffic moved anywhere for hours and hours..... People really were ducking down and weaving back and forth, as they pumped gas! Every death was horrible and so very sad..... But one stands out so much more to me, than the others. I try to think about, how I would have dealt with the same thing happening to me..... It was the Home Depot shooting 40 mins. north of me. A husband and wife were loading their vehicle, and for whatever reason they switched spots. The wife was killed, standing where her husband stood, just seconds before.....
My uncle lived right around the corner he was terrified. I was in middle school when 9/11 happened and then this happened.....f’d up years in my lifetime I’ll never forget.
That's stupid the media waited to confirm the sniper was off the street to release the information but what they should of waited on, they didn't hesitate to release...
The number three occupation for psycho/sociopaths is the media. Number six are journalists. 1 CEO 2 Lawyers 4 Salesperson 5 Surgeon 7 Police 8 Clergymen 9 Chef 10 Civil Servant, ie, politician
On that day I alerted many who lived in metro area on the world of warcraft webforums and at first they thought I was a troll but many thanked me and decided to stay indoors and keep playing
223 and the 22 cal family are squirl/light game rounds, its actaully very small compared to other rifle rounds, it's one of the smallest rifle rounds, as a hunter I know that.
I remember this all to well as I live in DC & also lived in Montgomery County. It did have a way of putting an uncertain fear inside of me, my friends & some clients to just get in/out of our car or go into a convenient store! I was constantly looking over my shoulder as I work outdoors so at times I felt like a sitting duck ! It was a tense time for sure!
One was put to death and the younger one was given life. He is now claiming that he was influenced by the older one therefore he shouldn't have. to do all of his time basically. I disagree. If it was one senseless killing I might go for him being released he served 25 years but these guys killed a bunch of people for no apparent reason. Therefore he should man up and take his punishment like he killed those people.
You are right. He may seek vengeance against trial witnesses if he gets the chance and/or random people. I lived in China years in cities LARGER than NYC. You could walk the streets at night. China has human rights violations but so does the USA. The USA does little for the victims of violent crime.
Everybody makes choices, including teenagers. The only ones exempt are people like schizophrenics who hallucinate and really don’t know what is reality. He knew he was doing evil.
Larry Simmons I was a probation officer for 20 yrs, I believe the young man was absolutely manipulated and victimized, likely would not have been a killer without the influence of an older role model. HOWEVER, THE VERY REAL DAMAGE WAS DONE BY HIS HAND AND HE MUST PAY THE VERY REAL PUNISHMENT, his age was considered , that’s why he didn’t get death.
Stepping over the line and shooting a kid?
I personally think the guy stepped over the line when he shot the first person regardless of their age.
I completely understand your point but there is nothing worse than a child not getting to live
@Karen Patterson You and I could easily by friends Karen, as they say in Britain, I like the cut of your jib! Cheers 🥂
@@susandurrant6357 but it's okay for adults to die. good logic.
@@bmuller8359 Foolish comment! Read what I said, it's not difficult to understand what was meant.... Now Shhhh
Who cares. So what. Good for him.
"it's like, do the media want this to continue?" Yes, yes they do, they don't care about life but they love a good story.
They were lapping up the blood like hungry flies .I was in Rockville for much of that time,strange feeling to be scanning areas you visit before moving,then hustling about,filling a gas tank was not a fun thing either,,though one thing we were looking for was a white van ,with a driver of the same color.......thanks media !
It is the American government that does not care about life. Civilized countries do not have mass shootings like we do in the United States. If Americans did not want shootings to continue it would not be technically difficult to devise a policy solution that would achieve that outcome. Unfortunately, Americans simply don’t think shootings are a bad thing. The media simply holds up a mirror.
@@randbarrett8706 Way to reach
media are scum.
Its not the press that mess up investigations, its the piece of shit who leaked the sensitive information to the press, possibly the police regulations that allow such sensitive info into the hands of foolish, loud mouth cops who blab to their press buddies.
I hate the press as much as anyone, but they are a necessary annoyance to ensure evil is brought into the light.
Who doesn’t watch the news anymore? I quit 3 years ago and it was one of the better things I ever did for myself!
You actually bragging about that?
@@trock6921 what's is wrong with him bragging about that. The news is nothing more than a fake ass scripted bullshit . What ever happened to ebola? What happened to y2k end of the world? Lmmao that's news isn't it. Stupid is as stupid does
@@trock6921 you may not remember the bullshit story years ago that we are “running out of oil”.... this was in the 70’s. Still driving. Using gas... made from oil.
@@richardcranium3417 or the ozone layer bullshit. I thought we were all gonna suffocate and die in a couple years.
I can't imagine how much pressure that chief of police would have been under......wow, thd media are bottom feeders in this.
No doubt! For the media to do that, it really shows you that they care more about a story, than human life...! It's quite sickening! Chief Moose was under enough pressure already, and then they go and pull a stunt like that.....
I really hate the media. They are prob the biggest reason this country is the way it is. It really disgusts me!!!
Glad the Chief basically said no to all questions, his trust with the media was betrayed.
Ted Brown if the media want to help, then do as the police say, DONT sabotage the investigation by chasing a scoop.
Bobb Warren
I agree with you 100%
After watching this I can understand why the police and media don't get a long most times. The media behaved so badly and in my opinion was responsible for some of the people who died.
I agree 100%. They truly are at the bottom with serial killers and rapists. Fuck the media. If another "Lee Malvo" starts taking out media scum, I know there are quite a few who would not feel sorry for them at all.
Mohamed wanted to shoot 6 white people a day for a month, but you somehow think the media had anything to do with it. The media is the only reason they were found.
William Davis *they’re
One of the officers couldn't keep his mouth shut....thats who was really at fault. A bad media is alot harder/impossible to maintain, as it's a reflection of your whole culture at that moment.
I don't blame that chief though, I blame the public for having pretty low standards of conduct by officers in a few key ways in several police districts.... We've got a good department where I live now, but about half the outside hires we end up getting rid of because they are, frankly a liability--hot-headed and/or immature.
@William Davis Bullshit. Trump brought all that shit on himself. The media isnt tweeting for him.
Anyone else disgusted by the media as much as the sniper?
in what way?
They sensationalized so that I was afraid to walk outside
@@MrBillcale the fact that you had to ask clearly means no dialogue is necessary. good luck in life bud.
The sniper ? i havent got my glasses on i thought you said something much worse .
I was just going to write that the press are scum and dont seem to think of public safety and there careers are more important. There should be some kind of criminal charges brought against them, if there cant be then the law has to change.
Everyone got a slap on the back except the vigilant truck-driver who actually found the culprits...
He should have got the reward
He absolutely deserved the reward
I wouldn't have wanted to be identified publicly
One news conference the police said the truckers (I believe there was 2) wished to keep their identity withheld. Certainly can't blame them with the way the media is
There are some things only the public have the means to stop in a timely manner...
Having lived through this, I can attest to the general accuracy of this documentary with an exception. I never missed a single day of school for the sniper, and the impact this event had on fall sports was exaggerated. We had to run laps around the school hallways for cross-country practice, and in marching band they made going to away games optional.
Really?
RIP Chief Moose :( , such a decent man
Oh that reminds me... I need to clean out my people carrier tomorrow.
Make sure you recall where you parked your car in the car park.
Ah the life of a child carer
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I had to rewind that because I had nf idea what a "people carrier" was
J Bell I’m so glad someone else caught this
Despicable...... Very impressed with the chief....could tell he was for real
Yeah, it started to really bother him. If I recall, correctly, after the kid was shot, Chief Moose almost broke down into tears..... I live in Fredericksburg, VA., so I was watching everything that had to do with this case/investigation.
Yep I now use online weather services because even weather reports are being used to hate Trump it is getting weird now!
Place yourself in his shoes, it's allready burdening carrying responsibility for kids or even a drunk friend, now imagine it's the entire district and it's their lives at stake.
If he was so smart, then why did he and the mayor decide to open the schools as usual?
If they made a movie out of this, Denzel could play chief
The way I remember it, Two truckers confirmed the tag, blocked the entrance and exit, I dont think they got the reward.We need a Truckers alert on alot of things like this.I started a Trucker news net,but we need an app with pictures,like the amber alert. I'm probably going to have to make one myself. Just give us a tag number and we are on it...I remember driving through Ohio when that guy was up there too. A heads up with some Intel would be appreciated... - Peace🎩
Truckinstuff I read that about the truckers.
They should have been given a lot more credit!
They knew these guys were armed and VERY dangerous!
350k went to the snipers friend in Tacoma who identified and gave all info on both killers after realizing it was for sure his friend.
The other 150k went to the first person who called in the license plate per police phone logs.
Truckinstuff So the people who made it possible to collar these murderes hardly get credit and no reward money ? Not fair!!!!
@@abigaildeeks8328 The guys were sleeping in the car so they weren't going anywhere.
The original caller who first called in the license plates at the rest stop got 150k.
The 350k went to the guy who first identified the actual killers, whom he was friends with.
The truckers could have actually caused more chaos, blocking the exit, waking the guys up, which could have lead to a hostage situation. Generally what they did was good, but it may have been smarter to have one trucker watch the car, and the other trucker be on the ready to block the exit if the car started to leave.
Fortunately things worked out.
Also, most of the 1/2 million that was awarded, ended up being given by the two to the families of the victims, so in the end, the victims families got most of the money. So its all good.
What guy? You say I was in Ohio when that guy was up there
During this time I saw a cop working a traffic accident like a sitting duck. It wasn't sniper-related which was heroic duty. It was just a wreck that needed a cop. And he worked it out in the open without backup. That left an impression on me.
similarly, there were bunch of volunteers willing to fill gas for customers. I visited a gas station and was going to put the nozzle in and go and sit inside.. these volunteer guys told me to just sit inside and they filled it for me.. that time i realized, what i coward i was :(
@@madmax797 Its ok to be a coward and live another day. Everyone is different. Sometimes to be a coward is also to be brave. You're still alive - that has to be worth something, right?
@crimonyWhat are you talking about?! Today's police are on par with these filthy shooters.Police, today's police, are domestic terrorists.
@@cluelessbeekeeping1322 No; they're not. Most police depts. and their officers are dedicated professionals who are there for the public at all hours of the day, day in, day out, year round. There are cops who are dangerous assholes that should be booted from the force, but they're a minority. There are assholes everywhere: in all professions, in all strata of society. Blaming all cops for the few who are schmucks is disingenuous.
Clueless beekeeping you know people say only a few cops are bad. Well watch one of the rogue cops do something wrong, let's say beat up someone who is handcuffed. Then watch as the other cops do nothing to stop the attack or help cover it up by not reporting it. You are correct in that someone needs to police the police. Because they do not police themselves. Well they investigate but always find nothing was done wrong.
I remember this when I was a kid. Between this and the anthrax scare and 9/11 I was paranoid as a kid
I remember when this was happening and all of the theories floating around. It was a scary moment in time
Yep. We were told by the media that it was a White man with a white Chevy van. Gave lots of cover to the killers.
The tears streaming down the Chiefs face......I bawled my eyes out
Heading south out of Washington, driving a big truck.. ( tractor trailer) I was following a white van in the right lane. Suddenly a group of press jumped out from the trees onto the apron of the roadway. The Van hit their brakes...I lit up my trailer tires not to run into the back of the van. This could have ended badly. I was using my air horn to get that van going!.. Seeing I was trying not to hit him. The van took off.. No wreck... Thank God.! ... Stupid press, for what? Someone could have gotten killed. The truck driver usually gets the blame. A truck driver got these guys in a rest area...
Most truck accidents are by car or pick up prick drivers fault.
@Jin p No Way... Just glad I didn't take the guy out.......8 tires on trailer....
You're full of shit. Its thousands upon thousands of white vans on the Freeway. No way did the media jump from trees to stop one white van. How the fuck would they even know where and when this said white van would pass that area. Who the fuck jumps out of trees on a highway? Why would the van even stop. None of what you said makes any sense.
TURN OFF TV NEWS, you will live a better life
@Patrick Banfield and most of it is outright lies, or lies by omission, is inaccurate or otherwise fabricated. Who needs that?
Yep !!! I won't watch it at all ...
That won't stop a disgruntled killer . The news is probably the only means of getting the word out about cases like this . it's people do these things at the end of the day .there is pretty much no point blaming the news
I stopped watching the news a long time ago.
@@mrronan2007 Cable 'news' shows are produced to make money, not to inform or protect the populace. They make more money from tragedy and pain, and aren't really in the business of stopping anything. I manage to survive and stay informed without cable TV news. Also, local radio stations keep me informed of what I need to know.
I remember feeling sadness on a new level and profound respect for Mr.Moose.
instablaster...
Thanks for the upload! This is a great doco followed in actual time. I had no idea it was such an unbelievable media circus
The Moose - Chief Moose :D Love that name
and Squirrel!!!
And Chief Bear, Chief Grizzly Bear.
Locally known as "Shamu" by fellow moon crickets...!
To keep schools open with a sniper running around was a very dumb thing to do. I know that I would never send my child to school with a psycho sniper running around killing people.
How would you know? The news organization is corrupt to
Indeed.
They cancelled all outdoor activities baseball, football etc..
Very well done and respectful how each victim is shown with their name and age. This tragedy seems to focus on the killers but this video took a minute to remember the victims.
I would’ve kept my children at home until the snipers were caught.
"Finally, after 22 days of murder and mayhem Chief Moose and his investigators had the prime sniper suspects in custody." Yeah all thanks to an attentive truck driver whom the police didn't even bother to mention my name, or sought fit to thank. Instead they all slapped each other on the back and congratulated each other for a job well done. They should have stood up there at that podium and apologized for their inept handling of this investigation, and in which their bungling cost lives.
Were you the truck driver?
You was the truck driver?..You said they didn't mention my name or did you mean by name??..If SO I will like to Thank You Sir.
I remember this mess. Good for the driver
chief moose died . 1 year ago
Armchair quarterback. I don’t believe you.
The video quality makes me feel old.
Mono-TV from early 90's or earlier have that effect it seems!
If you notice the graininess of the video compared to today's..
You are old...
whats wrong with being old?
VHS HI-FI 4head
@Anonymous 2002 is still on VHS and miniDVs.
The chief crying really got to me...
Real tears
Man only if what people knew what that man went through. He is a true national hero in my eyes. Not only dealing with one of the most horrific serial killings in US history, but dealing with the media as well. Most people would have quit that job. I bet he didn't get very much sleep due to the stress of it all.
@@leo29hornsfan I was also very impressed by police chief Moose while watching this; such genuine displays of sympathy are rare, both amongst the police and in general.
I know it's Lovejoy not Anthony Valentine but I couldn't help thinking the narrator would at any moment break into "..Frys Turkish Delight..full of eastern promise"
I couldn't help but start chuckling nonstop for a solid minute after reading your comment.
I love the chief. What a good fella.
Excellent narration by Ian MacShane
I have always liked his voice!
Was wondering if that was him!
Swedgin!
@Allan
*OK LOL*
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I was living in Bellingham at the time Mohomad was living in the homeless shelter. I saw him outside with that duffel bag...not knowing his ar15 was inside that bag.
What's the difference between a vulture and a reporter. The vulture can fly.
Reporters have choppers to fly, so not much difference.
I say fire all the reporters responsible along with the cop that leaked it!
a county mayor??
What abt thanking the truck driver at the rest stop?
@Blood Beryl what if he doesnt have a sister?
@Blood Beryl
That reminds me, _your_ mother told me to tell you get off YT and do your middle-school homework. Right after she coughed up a load of my spunk.
Nah he's just a truck driver.
By the way, has anyone looked into who was giving the press information before the police? I'd want them up on obstruction of justice charges at the very least!
Probably a cop with a conscience - maybe with children themselves - thinking the public should be aware of the danger. Would you, if you were a resident of the area, prefer to have this information kept from you?
Mike Sheen more people got killed because the media released everything the police were doing to try to catch the sniper. I would prefer the police catch the murderers and not the media, so yes I would prefer that they not mess with an investigation involving a mass murderer on the loose.
@@tylertucker2758 Fair call. I wasn't condoning the leak of information, just stating why someone would do it.
To be honest, I would much rather have the police catch the creep first, THEN have the press report on it! In this instance though, the danger was clear so warning the public was important. HOWEVER. There's a big difference between warning the innocent and telling the perp what the police know, or worse, releasing information BEFORE the police have a chance to act on it. Lives were at stake. How many people died because the shooters were forewarned by the press? In my opinion. That kind of reporting should leave you open to prosecution as an accessory. Now, before all you Americans start screaming about the first amendment, let me say this. The press have a great deal of power and to quote the late awesome Mr Lee, with great power comes great responsibility. The modern press seem to have forgotten that.
@@MikeSheen1972 it seems to have come from the Federal level. one message was media released an hour before the local police even got the read the note. Cops get into barrier fights all the time; the RCMP and local cops have real hard ons for each other, especially Quebec le Surette and Vancouver police. they either want all the lglory or it's get even time and destroy the others' credibilty for later. Seen it myself.
I know the media would say they've got a job to do... I'd have thought they have a bigger job to exercise their brains and consciences and use some common sense. It it wasn't released by the Chief, don't report it.
Definitely past time for laws to control what they do since they don’t seem to have common sense
@callyharley
Sadly, it's been proven that the police lie ALL the time. If cops would start being honest maybe the media would be willing to trust what the police tell them and only report that info. Don't blame the media for a problem that cops created. And "we the people" SHOULD NOT allow the government to make laws to censor the free press. That's a really slippery slope that we should not want to go down.
@Mildly Amusing Channel Don't lump the police in with the media. There are something like 18,000 law enforcement agencies in the United States. They form part of the public trust, which they sometimes break. But for the most part, they do what we need them to do.
The media? A very different beast. Truth in reporting is not its priority. Profit is at the top of the list, which makes them far more mercenary in the way they conduct themselves. They have agendas, they have biases. Not only does the truth not matter anymore, facts don't matter anymore.
Rich Hoff yy
i lived in dc suburb chief moose excellent job
Born as John Allen Williams, Muhammad joined the Nation of Islam in 1987 and later changed his surname to Muhammad
"Religion of peace" strikes again.
so what?
Two of his victims were Muslim.... Islamaphobia strikes again
@@camkraw893 islamophobi hmmmmm its more like xynophobia and itz the need oftime
R P
Boi stfu nowhere in the Quran says to forcefully convert people and attack people of other religions if you’re not attacked yourself; I have read the book front to back 3 times in my life, in 4 different languages. Nation of Islam doesn’t represent me, they don’t even represent Black Muslims. They drink alcohol, and believe in race wars. Literally going against everything core Islam teaches. So fuck off with that shit dude.
22:13, the lead on the white van - I was in the area at the time and the thing about the white van was very true and this documentary understates how terrified people were - when the lead on the white van came out, people were remarking how white vans were EVERYWHERE and how common they were and white vans were being pulled over all the time for inspection
they also don't talk about the roadside inspections where they were checking EVERY vehicle coming in the Beltway and that made a 20 minute commute a 3+hour trip so everyone was exhausted and many people were driving in the side lanes- the traffic congestion was horrible and since people were in the side emergency lane, it was blocking ambulences and all kinds of secondary medical problems were happening as people were unable to get to medicine like insulin they had at home or to doctors or hospitals- since even the emergency the lanes were blocked by jerks trying to get around the checkstops, it blocked access for emergency vehicles so fires were worse and many people died who wouldn't have otherwise and weren't direct shooting victims of the Beltway Snipers because of lack of ambulance access
also they blame the media for misleading the public about the white van but the police don't mention that they had pegged the sniper as a typical white lone wolf type guy, and they were way off on that one
the fear was thick in the air, palatable and everyones eyes were darting around in terror it was almost surreal
I remember details such as you mention.
My prior comment was intended for a different comment on a different video. Trying to figure out how to delete
@@radricdavis8508 White vertical dots on the left, click on those and then you get an edit/delete button :)
I lived in Germantown, MD with my family at time of the killings. We were all terrified by this episode. I remember going to the gas station and standing so my car door and the gas pumps blocked the view of a potential sniper - pretty useless but I had to do something. The "white van" lead was ridiculous considering the hundreds, or even thousands, of white vans used by tradespeople in the DC area. We have often stopped in the rest area where the snipers were apprehended on WB I-70 between Frederick and Hagerstown, MD. As it turns out, the snipers used a Chevy car with a hole dilled in the trunk. It is on display at the Newseum in DC.
RIP those who passed from this tragic event..
My Grandpa is Pascal Charlot. He is the man who is mainly talked about in this video from 6:49 to 7:53. He was the only victim murdered in Washington D.C !!!!! He was on his way to a pharmacy to get a prescription filled out for his wife !!!!! I miss you a lot grandpa !!!!! I would like to apologize for my foul language but FUCK YOU to both John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo for murdering my grandpa !!!!! In my opinion they are both responsible for my grandpa's murder even if only one of them pulled the trigger !!!!!
I think we have the same blood line my last name CHARLOT
Sorry for your loss but they didn't kill them...The CIA did.
Haiti: I think your Grandpa is watching in heaven crying out. "Love even your enemies."
Very sorry for him and for your loss. Truly.
@@red_marbles1708 Charlot was the name given in France to Charlie Chaplin's character. Just an fyi. I am from France and grew up watching Charlot flics.
Oh, the evil that men do...these cowards are despicable
Women do just as bad.
"But this October, everything changed." That is how the video begins. Makes one wonder just what was cut out?
I’ve noticed whenever tragedy strikes..it’s always a beautiful day or evening.
God, that was such a crazy frightening time. One of the shootings (the boy at Benjamin Tasker Middle School) happened on my work commute, on a two lane road. Somehow I missed the shooting by five minutes. A few days later I was at work in an office building in Bowie when a white box truck was pulled over, surrounded by six county/unmarked police cars, the driver was face down on the pavement, handcuffed, with at least three guns pointed at his head. After a very tense 90-100 minutes, the driver was let go, probably scared out of his mind. The whole time period was tense and unlike anything I had ever seen before. The memories are still so vivid, almost 20 years later.
To the press...Shut up!
Rogue French foreign legion, bit of a jump isnt it lol
I have known an ex-French Foreign Legion, if you knew one you wouldn't dismiss it so fast.
Luckily most of them continue as Mercenaries rather than taking it out on the public.
@@markmark5269 any you knew decided to start sniping the public?
Nope, worse, he flew Mirage Jets showering people with gunfire. Conflict areas, not public - although the public are of course involved sadly.
I guess it was a statement to show how unknown they were about the shooter, but was rather funny hearing that after asking, "al-queada?"
@@markmark5269 you sure he wasn't American? Sounds like one
Anyone remember how the media turned on the chief of police because he was mad at the media n called them out for releasing the information about the card. How they started releasing info about his life. Following his family.
Great job CNN! I see nothing has changed.
You mean CNN, MSNBC, etc. You can't possibly blame one channel for breaking it if the others then dogpile on it afterwards. That's just intellectually disingenuous. Even Fox News jumped on this, because as much as you want to blame one company, they all operate on the same level.
They are all the same! Believe what you see with your eyes. I am a republican-ish but I don't believe them either
Republican-ish but disparaging CNN? *shocked*
Bet you're surprised when McConnell pushes anti-abortion legislation as a pro-lifer but also cuts funding to CHIP as anti-big-government and don't see the inherent hypocrisy.
@@andreww9513 you assume a whole lot you dumb shit! Typical RUclips troll
@@andreww9513 fox news doesn't lie?!? Every business will lie for money!
3:01 Wow, such an expert. I'd say the person who did her eyebrows is really sick.
most terrifying time it was like waking up every single day to find out whats next,
Oh my...am watching this on Thursday 3 October 😳😳😳2019
Brenda Nkhoma am really annoyed that instead of I am or I’m u say am
Am wondering what year this actually did happen. The opening scene starts out ``. . . .that October was . . .'' am looking it up . . . OK, was '02. Oh, edited to say, annoyed that Don Vito uses ``u'' character for word, ``you.''
This sniper was pure evil.
chief moose is the one that got us thru this
You did it mate well done and great effort I'm from uk and I'm do proud of you. Hey don't worry about those you can't save God bless and may they rest in peace but think of those that you saved. .. don't dwell but rather know in your heart you saved many.. once again well done.
I recently listened to a great audiobook on the DC sniper case: "Call me god". Even though it was written by former FBI agent, it really highlights the ineptitude of US law enforcement. One unbelievable scene was when they found a letter, suspected to be from the killer, near one of the crime scenes. In the middle of one of the biggest investigations in US history, there was no proper organization. The local town sheriff, stood in a car park, surrounded by a random collection of representatives from the myriad of redundant law enforcement agencies and called for a show of hands to decide what they should do with the evidence just discovered. The only reason the killers were found was that someone who knew them called the FBI and told them who their identities and the car they were driving.
Regardless they'd of been caught.. When u have a sniper loose in a city how can u do tings in a organised fashion it was on the fly bro.... Hard to stop a gunman in a boot
November of 2019 and LEE MALVO is up for Parole . Please help him to REMAIN in prison and not get out.
I remember the running gag was everybody doing the pump gas shuffle. People would constantly move around when they stopped for gas.
Lawless communities are like this! Jittery!
I have seen other documentary,s of the dc sniper,s before but this one was the BEST.
Could the chief not just shut out the media? I think in most countries the police would just say "no comment". Then again, this doesn't really happen anywhere else.
Much respect for the guy though, he must have been under immens pressure.
"Bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms"..... I'm from the Netherlands and I'm flabbergasted how, in America, firearms fall in the same category as alcohol and tobacco......
lol
They're not under the "same category." They are just three things this particular federal agency, a bureau within the federal Department of Justice, deals with, chosen only because there's no other agency or bureau the three things properly fit into.
did the ATF gun guy actually say "the head of the bullet...the projectile that leaves the bullet"? wow...what an informed expert
Lmao that caught me too. I guess he thinks the public's knowlege of guns is so rudimentary that he had to dumb it down as much as he did, to the point where it's just wrong lol
I'm pretty sure this is narrated by Ian McShane and the Sniper's first name was John? It took several years but that was an even better choice than originally intended
Swidgen
Did I just watch a Denzel Washington movie
the chief tho
What? Are you saying criminals use Hollywood as a role model like they've done many times before?
@@richardbowers3647 You are way off what I meant lol. Some get it, some not. Have a nice day.
Its time to start criminally charging the media for things in the US.
@Samsung McKone
I also used to think they were the fourth estate but once I looked into it I realized that they are not. The mainstream media has an agenda and has lied multiple times. This is well documented. They have abdicated their role as the "fourth estate" and actively work to subvert the republic. Look up the annual FBI "Operation Cross Country", which arrests people who are prostituting children, and ask yourself why the perpetrators are never listed by name or have their photos shown by national media. Some local news organizations will publish the names and photos and the perpetrators are overwhelmingly Black. The MSM lies by omission when they decide not to cover it.
We still hear about Dylann Roof, the scumbag who killed Black people at a church but there have been at least two shootings of Whites in churches by Blacks and you can't name the killers. The story is buried.
@Samsung McKone
Typical. I responded to you with a statement of facts and you come back with an accusatory wall of text.
Here's an example of CNN lying through selective editing. "With his sister calling for peace" when she was actually telling the rioters to attack the White suburbs. Yes, they apologized after the outrage when they were called out by other non-MSM journalists. What else could they do?
ruclips.net/video/ZpWf6b2T3uE/видео.html
Based on your response I know you'll just come up with another wall of text insinuating that I am a conspiracy theorist so I'm not going to bother giving you other evidence. It exists in abundance. No one is buying your "fourth estate" delusion any more.
How un-American.
@Samsung McKone The problem is they aren't speaking the truth and are actually causing hatred based on false information
@@TehOldGamer You are right
Good thing they didn't go on a cross country road trip with their terror
Why is the ATF comparing handgun rounds to pistol rounds? Any rifle round is going to be devastating to tissue.
for the normal documentary viewer, presumably in the uk, who likely do not understand esoteric matters such as ammunition.
the press bear responsibility for hampering that investigation......the way they behaved was appalling.
A highpowered rifle suspected?! GENIUS!
The narrators voice is really soothing holy shit. Anyways it’s terrifying to think this actually happened, god bless all those affected by this:(
It's Ian McShane.
It's interesting that the FBI formulated a profile of the killer, yet they didn't relate the specifics in the documentary when given the opportunity. I'm sure that the profile was exact, because they're expert FBI profilers, yet surely they could have lauded the work done by themselves to augment the public's belief that they are good at catching killers
43:06 - they were separated and um.. uh.. *and cared for..*
he managed to convey so much without saying anything at all. now that's a professional.
by *"cared for"* i can assume that the vicious ass kicking that was provided probably required a lengthy hospital visit.
lived in d.c. my whole life. you couldnt even go out--scariest thing ever
I live 15 mins. away from the Fredericksburg Gas Station death..... Everyone was terrified around here and when they say they closed 95, they closed it...!!!! No traffic moved anywhere for hours and hours..... People really were ducking down and weaving back and forth, as they pumped gas! Every death was horrible and so very sad..... But one stands out so much more to me, than the others. I try to think about, how I would have dealt with the same thing happening to me..... It was the Home Depot shooting 40 mins. north of me. A husband and wife were loading their vehicle, and for whatever reason they switched spots. The wife was killed, standing where her husband stood, just seconds before.....
My uncle lived right around the corner he was terrified. I was in middle school when 9/11 happened and then this happened.....f’d up years in my lifetime I’ll never forget.
"Sir we are not investigating the crime would like a number".....BIG FAILURE! failafailafailfaialafaiala
1500 FPS for 45 acp ? That great when the even the ATF doesn’t know what he is talking about.
*Snipers are caught. Media: DANG IT!*
No fr😂
How scary would this be?? Those poor people. 🙁
Great narration from Ian McShane.
That's stupid the media waited to confirm the sniper was off the street to release the information but what they should of waited on, they didn't hesitate to release...
The number three occupation for psycho/sociopaths is the media. Number six are journalists.
1 CEO
2 Lawyers
4 Salesperson
5 Surgeon
7 Police
8 Clergymen
9 Chef
10 Civil Servant, ie, politician
Sorry for the "Media Manipulation" that may get in the way...! wow😱🤷♀️😒
On that day I alerted many who lived in metro area on the world of warcraft webforums
and at first they thought I was a troll but many thanked me and decided to stay indoors and keep playing
223 and the 22 cal family are squirl/light game rounds, its actaully very small compared to other rifle rounds, it's one of the smallest rifle rounds, as a hunter I know that.
I guess the US Marines are just hunting squirrels and light game when they go house to house in battle.
They needed Clint Eastwood ...
for sure that this sniper is a mad dog
William ... Mad Dog is a horrible tasting wine.
When did our footage start looking so weird? I agree with the person that said they feel old.
3:56 did he really say shot while cleaning out her people carrier?
Ikr, I thought that was very strange as well, just seems like 1 more way of dividing us from one another to me.
@@treasabailey3604 That's just what a minivan is known as in the UK.What does it mean you?
@@stevepi1 it just seemed like a very standoffish way of putting it.
that's used everywhere jackass
Torin Haveron it cant be used everywhere. We certainly don’t call them that here in my state of the US. We call them minivans jackass.
I remember this all to well as I live in DC & also lived in Montgomery County. It did have a way of putting an uncertain fear inside of me, my friends & some clients to just get in/out of our car or go into a convenient store! I was constantly looking over my shoulder as I work outdoors so at times I felt like a sitting duck ! It was a tense time for sure!
was Bono (U2 singer) the shooter?
I remember this... Police said to walk in a zigzag pattern, lol
Yup that would defiantly work..... it would look pretty funny though
I remember this too.... And I'm in Australia.... This was an international story
Lady Copper at 32.47 looked nervous standing there at the scene of where the Bus Dirver was Shot.
What If the Sniper targeted only the Media ? Celebrities would definitely enjoy it :)
I bloody well hope the Chief was promoted after this.
Reasons why I fell in luv with Chevrolet Caprice
As a retired LEO, DAMN I hate the media!!!
One was put to death and the younger one was given life. He is now claiming that he was influenced by the older one therefore he shouldn't have. to do all of his time basically. I disagree. If it was one senseless killing I might go for him being released he served 25 years but these guys killed a bunch of people for no apparent reason. Therefore he should man up and take his punishment like he killed those people.
You are right. He may seek vengeance against trial witnesses if he gets the chance and/or random people. I lived in China years in cities LARGER than NYC. You could walk the streets at night. China has human rights violations but so does the USA. The USA does little for the victims of violent crime.
He's not serving life anyomore. Just got reduced.
Everybody makes choices, including teenagers. The only ones exempt are people like schizophrenics who hallucinate and really don’t know what is reality. He knew he was doing evil.
Larry Simmons I was a probation officer for 20 yrs, I believe the young man was absolutely manipulated and victimized, likely would not have been a killer without the influence of an older role model. HOWEVER, THE VERY REAL DAMAGE WAS DONE BY HIS HAND AND HE MUST PAY THE VERY REAL PUNISHMENT, his age was considered , that’s why he didn’t get death.
That operator should be in jail
It drives me crazy when the uploader doesn't put the year this was released.
Yes, i started by asking what year this tragedy took place.
Don’t they have a check off list before broadcasting it?!
omg this video has its volume well adujsted unlike any modern one
The killer rang 4 times to negotiate and didn't get passed through, jesus Christ
That has to be because of the crazy amount of people who waste police time by 'confessing' or talking rubbish.
@@susandurrant6357 maybe. Maybe sheer incompetence too.