Eve had to embrace her darker impulses and V had to embrace her human ones before they could meet each other in the middle...of the bridge. I’m not one of those people who look for symbolism in everything, but the bridge setting was no coincidence.
I dont think her mother rejected her because shes a killer. Her mother and her are "the same" because they are both manipulative psychopaths. But where Villanelle is intrigued by people she cant manipulate, her mother is repulsed. Villanelles mother controls both the family and also I think the community (the brother talks about how respected she is at one point). Villanelle is the one person she cant manipulate because she is her equal, they are the same. I dont think her mother likes this which is normal in a sycopath because they have a need to control everything. So the mother got rid of Villanelle soon after she realised she couldnt manipulate her sending her to the orphanege. And then sending her away again when she returned.
@@chloereed454 Yes...her mum was very narcisstic. I feel like Villanelle never bonded with anyone and then was groomed for the world of violence when she was incarcerated as a juvenile. The combination of no real strong bonds in early childhood and then brutal treatment and then being groomed and rewarded...it's not so astounding that she became who she became.
Yeah same thoughts. Although in the book, you’ll find that Villanelle’s mother is one of the people closest to her heart. Her mother showered her with love, and cared for her even though she’s dying. It’s one of her core memories because she felt her mother’s genuine love.
I agree on the whole "mommy issues" thing, and indeed i would hazard a guess: her mommy issues is reflected in her tend to love people who give her attention. I mean, she fell in love with Anna because at the time she was the only one who didn't take a step back, she actually showed her "extra love" as she said. V never loves first, she just loves the ones who already (somehow) love her. And honestly I think that V was at first amazed by the similarity between Eve and Anna when she first sees Eve in that bathroom, and that only at a second time she kinda fell in love with her: when Eve got out of her car choosing to trust V and to not be scared. In these women she finds the love she never had from her mother. Not saying Eve is a mother figure, just saying that the lack of love in her childhood effects her way of relating with others. Btw I'm not English so sorry for any mistakes
Your English is perfect! And you made a really good point that Villanelle doesn't love first, she just loves the people who are already giving her attention. I never noticed that before! You are totally right! Thanks for watching and commenting❤️
I actually feel that Villanelle had started that wheel in the bathroom. She initiated the whole thing back there. If only she paid no attention to the mirror reflection who knows how the plot could go. At least she definitely wouldn't kill anyone beside the exact target. But she got over emotional. As we know she feels things mostly when she’s with Eve. We can assume she couldn’t handle those sudden emotions & got totally mad. I think that if she paid to attention to the mirror, firstly, it could take much more time for Eve to find V, and, secondly, V definitely won’t be triggered by Eve that much.
A few notes. It was Villanelle's manipulation of Eve into killing that earned the rejection in the 1st place. She learned the hard way what loves not. Possession with the demand of unconditional surrender. She wanted her mother, Tatiana to admit to her own psychopathy. What happened to her father is a mystery. In her narcissism, Tatiana viewed her own daughter as competition. Even from the 1st season Eve knew on some level Villanelle wanted out of that life and that normalcy was what she coveted. And still viewed her as someone to be saved. Then on Tower Bridge, Villanelle demonstrated her understanding of love at it's most selfless by giving Eve the choice to walk away and Eve still chose her. It also showed how much Villanelle/Oksana has grown up.
I agree, Villanelle had a lot of growing up to do between S1 and S3. But I think Eve would have rejected Villanelle at the end of S2 even if she hadn't manipulated her into killing Raymond. Eve was still chasing after Niko in Poland in S3. I would be interested to know what happened to Villanelle's father-is it possible that he also rejected Villanelle, hence why Villanelle looks to Constantin as a father-figure?
@@screentime4500 Abandonment, murder or suicide is the question where her fathers concerned. Oksana worshipped the ground he walked on. Eve was too invested in Villanelle to dump her until she saw the gun which rendered the investment as worthless. Eve was chasing the last link to her facade of normalcy with Dasha sending her Texts from Niko's phone before the Pitchfork stabbing. Eve was also chasing after Villanelle like a mad woman with nothing to lose. After killing Tatiana, Villanelle died to make way for Oksana's emotional rebirth.
@@screentime4500 I also believe Eve to be the modern day Madame De Tourvel to Villanelle's female equivalent of Vicomte De Valmont of Dangerous Liaisons(the basis of Cruel Intentions). Only Eve's made of sterner stuff in the hard to get stakes and is the greatest challenge for Villanelle who's bored of the lovers(of both genders) she's so easily seduced in the past. In her quest to conquer Eve it's Villanelle who ends being conquered in more ways than she bargained for.
I love how you caught Villanelle's reaction when Eve says "I know". I now see that it is reaction of relief from Eve's acceptance, like how she had been rejected at every end and then to be accepted. I'd like to imagine that Villanelle had been alone for so long as an assassin. Not only was MI6 unable to identify her kills, no one was able to catch her. So we see in series 1 when Eve manages not only to identify her kills but was also able to have such a chanced encounter with her, it showed that finally someone was able to seek her out through her work unlike anyone has ever been. Villanelle is also incredibly proud of her assassinations/work, so for someone to be obsessed and "a fan" of her work stroked her ego.Therefore, she is both intrigued and elated that someone was up to her level. Finally she was seen. Because of that she reciprocates and sought Eve out as well. When she said her name was "Eve Polastri" during the fetish kill, she signals to Eve, "game on." This starts the chain of cat and mice, where Villanelle attempts to test and manipulate Eve only to be bested and for Eve to consistently overcome expectations. Hence, Villanelle sees Eve as an equal and "the same".
Yes, you hit the nail on the head! Villanelle really just wanted to be noticed by someone and obsessed over. I considered having a section of this video talking about V and E's shared loneliness: E doesn't have anyone but Niko and V doesn't have anyone but Constantin. E even says "I basically married my dad" to Carolyn😂
Villanelle absolutely does not see Eve as any kind of equal to herself whatsoever, nor any other human being, because that isn't possible. People with this condition are self-obsessed egomaniacs and see everyone else as inferior, or at the very worst end of the spectrum they have no regard for life at all. She heavily implies on more than one occasion and finally even states to Eve that she is nothing without her and that literally the only thing that makes Eve interesting is Villanelle. Not trying to be rude, but V could (and did) think she killed Eve and just simply move on to the next thing in life and the next person without looking back and it showed us that if Eve had actually died V wouldn't have really cared past that interest that was barely there in the first place, she only had that reaction and got back into her life after Konstantin told her she was alive and he saw her. Otherwise, maybe she would have thought about her every once in a while but she practically forgot already. The idea of someone she is *physically* attracted to (I believe she is incapable of empathy or actual love, or they went the complete psycho direction with her character and then they decided to backtrack across the paint anyway and give a psychopath sudden, miraculous new feelings they make it pretty clear she's never truly felt before. These things are not possible with this level of psychopathy, just fleeting fascination or interest, and if they were staying true to the character they built up she wouldn't be able to truly love anyone. Seems like it's merely Eve's kind of twisted love towards and fascination with her that fuels any interest V has with her... And let's not forget that Eve is on the sociopathy spectrum as well, they have clearly shown that throughout all three seasons.
@@MrAdryan1603 you said it all! I was going to say the same thing. "Here today, gone tomorrow" is how V lives her life. It's going to be interesting to see where they take this relationship. I would hate to see them totally reverse roles
@@patriot7897 Oh definitely, I agree. It could go anywhere at this point.. and I'm just hoping they don't do what a lot of programs do and think they have to up the craziness and drama a few dozen notches and pull some crazy shet on us that screws up everything. They're at a point where they could still do such great and clever things without ruining it.... I guess we'll see. Hahah, cheers!
I've always believe and keep believing Villanelle's love for Eve is beyond her mummy issues. Their deep connection, understanding & acceptance is so much more than some freudian issue.
I think they just are really infatuated with each other, leading to love. I don’t think labels are needed. It’s so much more than lesbian love, extremely complex.
@@kimwang2787 that's how me and my gf ended up being bc we were too shy to confront our feelings. not uncalled for, maybe they just need to warm up completely and get to truly dig into each other's complexities.
V : I've killed so many people Eve! E: I Know (soft) For V means that Eve accepts her just as the way she is, that's why she has a little smile after that response.
If you find someone you are initially attracted to who is fascinated by you , accepts you for who you are , has great chemistry with you and loves and respects you chances are you might fall in love with them. That's what's happened here. Lol .
This comment section is just GOLD. I think I've read half of it at least xD so many new perspectives to look at from. Made me think of how cool it would be for all of us to be in one room and discuss this series due to our mutual interests 🙃
Great video. I'm not truly buying that Villanelle wants Eve only because Eve fulfills what her own mother could not (acceptance, not manipulative, etc). There's also a romantic obsession between them both. And Eve isn't middle-aged in the story...she's in her mid to late thirties (helps that Sandra Oh doesn't age! 😃)
If someone found you endlessly fascinating, the way Eve thinks of Villanelle, your interest would definitely be piqued. Lol. Eve also sees Villanelle with a certain lack of judgment, something which Villanelle might be craving. Eve knows her truth but understands, that can be very liberating, Villanelle doesn't have to lie, pretend or hide anything. The worst of the worst is already known to Eve. There's any number of reasons Villanelle would find being around Eve intoxicating. But it's mainly because she's the centre of the relationship. As she herself told Eve - 'Don't talk to me like that. Don't forget, the only thing that's interesting about you, is me.'
Villanelle threatened to shot Anna because she emotionally abandoned her like everybody else. This is also why Villanelle shot Eve at season 2 finale. Basically she never had anybody who truly ever loved her, this is part why she does what she does. She's been forcibly emotionally sterile because she keeps finding herself in the same abandonment complex loop her whole life. Basically, yes, "mommy issues" to sum it up.
@@tundravarg3525 Anna did it cause she knew she'd been replaced. I would've love for Anna to ask "Is it Eve?" Or having to listen to Oksana Villanelle gush over her new crush at gunpoint would've been a work of art. Eve's emotional abandonment of Villanelle wasn't without reason. And those reasons were swept under the rug never to be addressed again.
But after the third season I don't think V wants that acceptance from her mother anymore thus she's no longer looking at Eve as an extension of her maternal figure. She's beyond that and in that dance scene she's just seeking acceptance from the woman she realizes she loves just for who she is. It's the same with Hannibal Lecter and Clarice Starling who end up together in the books. At first Hannibal tries to manipulate Clarice to become a replacement of his sister, Mischa, but he soon stops doing that and starts seeing and loving Clarice as an equal partner. The same with V and Eve. Villanelle is no longer seeing Eve as an extension of her mother and is no longer trying to manipulate or force her darkness out. Instead she's letting Eve do and be whoever she wants (bridge scene) because she no longer feels the need to make her fit that maternal pattern after killing her mother and understanding she doesn't want her acceptance anymore. She loves Eve for being Eve and that's freeing.
With Hannibal & Clarice it cut both ways because while Hannibal initially viewed her as a replacement for his long lost sister, she saw him as a twisted, father figure she fell in love with. In Eve, Villanelle had the friend, the mother and star-crossed lover who takes a genuine interest in her as a human being rather than just a gifted killer with no soul. In turn Hannibal & Villanelle saw their perspective lovers as humans in their own right instead of objects to be possessed.
true but also .....she loves her because she is different in the ways she wants ...and tries to turn her to the same as her mother in the ways she wants
Villanelle says she wants a normal life plenty of times. She wants stability. She wants someone who will accept her for what she is and gets her (someone to watch movies with, a normal life). If you want to play that back - her dad seemed to love her, and he died. Why no mention of that, and such fixation on the mom? What the mom represents in lacking, results in something everyone everyone wants - understanding and acceptance. These are basically uninteresting, baseline expectations in a relationship. So I dont get the level of fixation on that here, and no mention of dads role if you're going to fixate on parental relationships. I also feel you ignored her general upbringing in favor of fixating on the relationship w the mom. Unfortunate because that also plays into the lack of Villanelle feeling known and stable in who is there for her (Eve provides both and it is Eves job to know V). The thing that is unique about v and eve is that acceptance is about murder. That is where the sparkles in their relationship come from - Eve knows what Villanelle does and still treats her like a person and better. It's not a mom gap she's trying to fill. It'd a stability and acceptance gap for who she is now. But especially now, and that goes beyonddd what any mom would accept, and where it moves into the mom portion falling apart (most mom's would not approve their child being a murderer correct me if I'm wrong). She grew up adopted, groomed to be an assassin, and didn't get a stable, normal life. My stomach didn't like this video. Made me very uncomfortable and hope that no straights see this.
Very interesting--thanks! A couple things: I think Villanelle's mom asked her to leave before V said she was a killer, and I don't think we have evidence that Villanelle's mom was a killer, though she did kill the childhoods of at least a couple of her kids. Regardless, good insight here.
That's true-V's mom did ask her to leave before Villanelle said she was a killer-but I think V's mom knew about Villanelle's history of killing before V came to visit. I think V's mom being the killer during the game at the dinner table, combined with V saying "you're like me" and then immediately after saying "I've killed a lot of people" are huge hints towards V's mom being a killer too. Hopefully in S4 they will dive more deeply into V's past so we can see what happened!
There was also the convo with her short-lived trainee at the bus stop (beginning of S3). He talked about how his bf rejected him once he knew who he Really was (he killed several people). In that moment, Villanelle clearly related. They both talked about it being the worst feeling so it makes her relief during the tea dance even more impactful. Awesome video✌🏾
Littlestraincloud what ,.. ...... this can not be mother daughter element😂 no daughter touches crave for her mom... it’s more of. A romantic relationship
@@hijaabivlogger1088 It's a romantic relationship but Villanelle still has a desire for the approval and love for another woman denied to her by her mother
I’ve read that when Sandra first signed on it was gonna be more Thelma and Louise vibes but producers/fans wanted more romantic pairing after season 1🤷🏾🤷🏾
I agree with most of the video, but not with the part it says Villanelle encouraged Eve to kill Raymond in order to turn Eve in a copy of her mother. V did that because Eve, told her at the end of season 1, that she wanted to know how V felt when she killed, so in Villanelle's mind, she trully was giving Eve what she wanted.
This reminds me of the relationship between Hannibal and will graham. Cause will graham admires Hannibal work and Hannibal is really infatuated with will graham
Villanelle meant that her mother was just as twisted as her because Villanelle is her daughter, hence "I am my mothers daughter". I believe Villanelle has "Mommy issues" to an extent, but i think she just had that spark with Eve and that spark told her that this is the person that would really love her. Villanelle has never truly ever felt loved by any one, everyone she's ever cared for or has shared a moment of her life has betrayed her. 1. Her mother abandoned her (There's a subtle subtext that i picked up re-watching the show in which i believe Villanelle's mother had told the orphanage to tell young Villanelle that they had died in the car crash and she then told their family that Villanelle had died in the fire so she didn't have to bring her back). 2. Dasha was the one who made her in to a killer, she was rough on her and somewhere in season 3 it is mentioned that Dasha tried to kill Villanelle. Which explains Villanelle's Hostility towards Dasha when she see's her at her wedding. 3.Anna wouldn't choose Villanelle over her husband and out of jealousy Villanelle killed him. 4. Konstantin set her up to obtain the whereabouts of his family.
Because of Villanelle's mummy issues, she always has an attraction to women who resemble her mother. But going off of her relationships with Anna and Eve, they both have another thing in common: they accepted her the way she was. Because Villanelle's own mother could not accept her for who she was, she has a particular connection to those who do, which is why her relationships with Anna and Eve went on for longer than any others. Villanelle wants people to choose her, because she is abandoned all the time. She made Anna choose between her and her husband; Anna chose her husband. She made Eve choose between her and her life; Eve chose life as she knew it. There is always an ultimatum with Villanelle. So, Villanelle still has this tether to her mother, until she visits her in Russia. On that trip, Villanelle is freed from the hold her mother had on her, and finally releases the emotional guilt she always carried. That is why after her trip, she changed. She herself became more accepting. She no longer pushed Eve to choose her. Instead, she gave Eve the freedom and space to choose what she wanted. She gave her the option to leave and never look back; it was all in Eve's hands. Because Eve didn't just symbolise the lost connection with her mother anymore; it was no longer infatuation. Eve was the woman Villanelle loved. And Eve chose her, when no one else has ever chose her. This symbolises the changes in both characters in comparison to the earlier seasons - they both had to accept the parts of themselves they weren't willing to accept in order to be free.
thing about Villanelle is that she's not psychopathic. The show got that totally wrong. Psychopaths are incapable of feeling emotion, and her emotional and impulsive reaction to her mother's spurning demonstrates that she reacts emotionally to external stimuli. The fact that she reacts with emotion, accompanied by an extreme act of violence demonstrates that she's not actually a psychopath because doing something like that would not benifit her in anyway, therefore it could be considered an emotional reaction due to its irrationality. She also experiences regret, which is counter to psychopaths, who are unapologetic in their behavior and have lack of remorse. The show got this part about Villanelle wrong. Should have said she's a sociopath (they can feel selective emotions, and are "made, not born" which is what the show seems to imply happened to her) and not a psychopath.
@@liv-uu1fi both terms are outdated and actually considered kinda offensive but that aside you actually have them backwards! it’s said that sociopaths can from bonds but psychopaths are physically unable to (makes sense because sociopaths are built from trauma and psychopaths are born that way)
@@liv-uu1fi no worries, youre all good!! and yeahhh there’s a lotta misleading information but an easy way to remember is PSYCHopath (born with aspd) vs SOCIOpath (aspd formed due to social factors and/or trauma),,, which then makes sense why the later can appear more impulsive/emotional edit: i’m realizing i’m just repeating a bunch of things ignore me💀💀
Oh god i miss them both so much .. jodie is such a wonderful lover that she made me question my sexuality😜😜 i never knew having gf is far far better thn having a bf 😂😂😂
Villanelle needs someone that makes her feeling something and that's what Eve is to Villanelle. She wants someone to care for her because she never got that from her mother
So you've just proven that Villanelle is attracted to a woman who other than being older than her, DOES NOT remind her of her own mom. I think she has mommy and daddy issue as MOST people do, but Eve represents someone who isn't scared or freaked out by her, someone who actually likes the unconventional and scary parts of her. Eve likes her for her, which I mean, in the end, is what the vast majority of people want.
I read somewhere that Phoebe turn down the role of Villanelle because she wanted to be more years between them. They already had the idea of a mother figure.
No hate to you or your video, but overall people need to stop calling Villanelle a psychopath without knowing what an actual psychopath is. She isn't a psychopath. Low functioning sociopath maybe. If that. But definitely not a psychopath. Two very different things. I know the show itself threw the "psychopath" word around a lot to try to describe Villanelle because at first glance, that's what it looks like. But as the show progresses and you get to understand ViIlanelle as a character more, her story, and yes. her emotions. You realize she's much more complex than that. For starters, one of the biggest differences between sociopathy and psychopathy is the fact that psychopaths are simply born like that. They don't need trauma to make them that. Sociopaths on the other hand are created by their environment. But even then. People who have ADP have a very low level of emotions. Psychopaths don’t have any kind of emotional responses to thing or empathy for that matter. They simply mirror people and their emotions. But can't feel any of their own. Whenever they do show emotions it’s simply to mimic or manipulate. But as the story progresses, you see Villanelle having genuine emotional responses to many things. Like in Amsterdam when she’s watching through the window, waiting for Eve to show up to the crime scene just to see Eves partner instead. She was clearly heartbroken by that. So much so that she goes out to a club, takes a bunch of pills and almost kills a girl. Then the next day she’s visibly falling apart while staring at herself in the mirror. When she sees that Eve is her next target. She grieves and asks a hotel employee to comfort her. If she was a psychopath she would just mercilessly do the job and move on. On episode 5 of season 3 when she goes home to finally deal with her trauma she faces it head on. Specifically her relationship with her mother. She’s clearly in search for closure or peace of mind. But because she doesn’t find it she handles it the only way she knows how by setting the house on fire with her own mother inside. She does in fact spare her brothers lives though because she does care about them. But that train ride home? You can visibly see her trying to hold back tears and her overall emotions. You can see how much pain she’s in. She tries to suppress it because that's all she knows. If she was truly a psychopath she would have been fine. Her moms murder would have been like any other kill. But the next day. She’s crying besides the bathtub looking at the ceiling helplessly trying to understand her own emotions. Next episode. More tears. She cries quite a lot from half of season 2 on for someone without emotions. Let’s not forget how Villanelle has a tendency to act like an innocent child on many occasions because of the fact that she was denied a normal childhood with an overall very rough upbringing. Dasha trained Villanelle from a young age and basically constructed the “perfect killing machine.” Which suggests that she only kills people because she doesn’t know a different reality. Because it’s her job or to get people out of her way. Or even when people are between her and Eve. But overall, throughout the show, especially near the end you see so much personal growth and change in Villanelle as a character. Psychopath can’t change or be cured. Villanelle on the other hand doesn’t want to kill anymore because she just doesn’t see a point and wants to leave that part of her life behind to start over. Whatever that may mean for her. Which we will see more of in season 4. So yeah, taking all that into account, you can understand my problem when people try to suggest that she is a psychopath when she in fact is not.
What an insightful well thought out video and explanation ! It’s deep and full of truths that I have been trying to find the right words to describe. Villanelle is just looking for a person that knowing what she is will accept her . I’m so impressed with Jodies acting and the shows writing and Sandra . I know that there might not be a happy ending to this show but in my mind I have created one for Villanelle . She deserves a reset button and a much better matriarchal influence in her life , not one that abandoned her early on . I got to admit your explanation of this dynamic of eve/vill is scary spot on . Makes me want to start from the beginning and watch again . Got to get that Hulu subscription back on lol . Well done on helping me appreciate Villanelle/Jodie on a deeper level and keep up the good work !!!
Thank you so much for this! Excellent work. Your video and some of the comments here have given me more think about and love about the show and the writers. For me, I’m not convinced Villanelle can love as true psychopaths are incapable of love and empathy. When V says “I love you” at the end of S2, E points out that she doesn’t know what that is and V confirms it by equating it to possessiveness (“you’re mine”). This is why the end of S3 confuses me because V seems to feel and show selfless love - so are the writers saying that V is no longer a psychopath? Psychopathy is not really curable from what I understand (though I am no expert).
Vs mother was a psychopath who resented V for taking even a small part of her husbands affection and loving V.( so she got rid of her) V saw how her mother was destroying her brother and step brother and hurting them, so saved them! E is a strong intelligent and unpredictable so is intriguing! We also see her admiration for Carolyn in the final episode, another strong intelligent woman, who can be unpredictable! We also see the lack of respect for her mentor K as he is shown to be weak in her eyes!
I think this is a really simplistic interpretation of their relationship. In some ways this mother-daughter concept is true, but it's only one facet of their relationship; there's more to it than that. The fact of it is, Villanelle isn't wrong when she says her and Eve are the same. If you watch each season closely there are moments that prove Eve has psychopathic tendencies; her lack of empathy towards Frank, her reaction to the psychologist's presentation in season 2, and just a lot of the interactions she has with Niko. That moment when Villanelle convinces Eve to kill Raymond is Villanelle's proof they're the same. Villanelle tells Eve, she "wanted her to know what it felt like" and later that, "this is what you wanted" and in a way that is what Eve wanted ever since the first episode where she cut her own leg. She was imagining what it felt like. Villanelle repeats each season that Eve is different somehow, and that is because Eve also has psychopathic tendencies. Children who realize they are different try to fit in as much as possible and some never take off that mask, and that's Eve. She has built the most boring, normal life for herself, but when she met Villanelle, she"woke up." Meanwhile, Villanelle who's never been given the chance to experience a normal life, so to speak, sees the opportunity to have that and the acceptance of someone like her, acceptance she never even received from Konstantin, in Eve. The end of season 2 and other conversations she has with Eve, proves that's what she wants, where she tells eve, "we'd be normal." So, while this mother-daughter facet of their relationship is there; I feel it is far more minimal than this video suggest. Even my points here don't cover the entirety of what they represent to each other. These are beautifully complicated characters and they deserve a far better dissection than this video delivered.
@@RachelT.773 I'm not saying they're entirely wrong, just that the video is interpreting their complicated relationship as Villanelle simply has mommy issues. And Frank may have been a bad example. 🤣
Thanks for putting together the video. I wish you had dug a little deeper into the bus kiss and how that also illustrated Eve removing yet another barrier between them and a concluding summation would have tied up things in a nice little bow, but that aside, you did a fine job of explaining Villanelle's motivations.
OMG I loved when Eve did that it was quite clever. I'm pretty sure Eve was trying to lower Villanelles guard so she could escape and it worked perfectly.
Wow this was such a good analysis and makes their relationship make so much more sense to me than it did before. It's not just a simple spy vs spy or cat and mouse situation, it's so much deeper than that. While Eve is a bit of a hybristophiliac- besides Villanelle Eve makes multiple comments and insinuations to being further than just fascinated by crime and actually attracted to the criminals that commit them, only trying to act the opposite when she begins to feel she's gotten herself too deep into the situation. Villanelle on the other hand is so enamored with Eve, as she has a shitload of deeply engraved issues that stem from her mother as you laid out in this video. Once again, great analysis and greatly put together.
I don't think her love for Eve is because she wants her to be like her mother. if anything it is the total opposite. VIllanelle loves Eve because she's very different. And I believe her love for her goes beyond the mommy issues. If that were the case she would have just get bored very easily.
Yeah, more like she is looking for someone to fill the hole left by her mother who didn't love her. I think that's how she became an assassin too. I think Dasha pretended to care for her at a young age because she knew that was what Villanelle craved and then used that to manipulate her into becoming a violent sociopath. I think the darkness in Eve is important too though, because to Villanelle it means that she is capable of accepting her darkness too. She's just looking for that balance of darkness and true love, and she's been let down by everyone.
I LOVE THIS, it's amazing your analysis, but I would like if you can analyze the whole season 3 based on the villaneve relationship, because it shows that villanelle is really in love with eve not just an obsession or something like that, even she let her go just for love, the opposite she did in season 2. It would be amazing if you make a point of view "what makes a Psychopath to fall in love", like a more deeply analysis focus on season 3, anyway, I hope you understand me lol You're amazing, love your work, love this video 💜
After this season, I don't think Villanelle is a psychopath. A psychopath wouldn't wonder if they were missing out on something outside of a life of violence.
Even though Eve has the big hair and big age difference Villanelle likes, Villanelle would eventually get bored of her. Or Eve may get a haircut, and that’s it. It’s all over.
Lol I don't know why but you cracked me up at "3rd time is the charm" lolol it does seem like the plot armour is always very thicc with these 2 ain't it? 🤣🤣
it’s not addressed in the show but i’m pretty sure that Villanelle is a Sociopath, during the show they call he a psychopath however, Villanelle is able to make a connection with eve which is something that is impossible for a psychopath to do. Villanelle also shows other sociopathic tendencies
Very good summary. What is you prediction for S4, particularly given the last scene? Many viewers have been upset at the mention that the two characters will not be in a romantic relationship. I think they initially will not be and will begin to collaborate on trying to bring down the 12. I think there will be a point where they begin to have stronger feelings for each other, but I have a bad feeling that one of them, probably Villanelle, will be seriously injured, maybe killed, by the end of the season. Of course, that would be the end of the series, which would be sad, but it just seems that her luck has to run out at some point.
Thank you! I was pretty bad at predicting season 3, so I'm not sure my predictions would be good for season 4, but I could see Villanelle trying to do MI6 work (behind Carolyn's back) with Eve. Seeing Villanelle trying to curb her impulse to kill and act normal could make up the majority of S4. I think the show has always followed the formula of waiting until the season finale to reunite Eve and Villanelle, so I wouldn't be surprised if that happened again. Then again, Laura Neal wrote E3 and E8 of S3 which were both heavy on VillanEve (the kiss and the bridge scene) so if she's the head writer for S4 then maybe we can expect more of them together. But your guess is as good as mine!
I think Eve & Villanelle have come too far to just be pining gal pals. On the sex & romance department that would be a huge waste of potential. The will they won't they element thatbdrove the shows success may be the same pretentious hill it dies on.
I hope Laura Neal, or someone on the team maybe took a look at Die For Me (I'm about a third thru, but I read the ending first..., couldn't resist). A lot will depend on whether there's a S05 or not. I don't think V is gonna be rid of the Twelve. Helene will be back. There's an interview with Fiona Shaw here on YT, where she says she's gonna have a lot more screen time in S04. While Carolyn definitly seemed part of "the good guys" in S01, with the Rome operation setup in S02, that's no longer true... She knows about Helene, it took V a few seconds to register that (Royal Albert Hall scene), but she didn't seem that surprised. V told Eve (S01 kitchen table scene I think) that "if you go high enough up, we could be working for the same people". I hope the writers take the show back towards the books, like in S01. V posing as a motorcycle cop (S03E03) comes out of No Tomorrow (of which I've only read a few parts for now), so they still have an eye on the books... And Karen, I think it's a real possibility that they let V die in the very final episode. There's the "paying for your crimes" angle, "the bad guys" cannot be seen to get away with it. But at this point, it's all pure speculation anyway...
@@DirkDP65 Killing Eve often blurs the line between good & evil, heroism & villainy, morality and amorality. It's never completely black and white. The shows treated like a separate entity to it's source material. Even to the point of surpassing it.
Dirk DP I'm also reading the books, halfway through second and snuck a peek at third book. There's more adrenaline in third book that resembles season 1. If third season was all character development, the writers should increase the pace and consider the book's plot. Nothing wrong with that. I'm sure Luke will be fine with it.
I don’t think Villanelle does love Eve, she only loves Eve’s admiration and romanticisation of her. Villanelle gets off on the way she is reflected in Eve’s eyes. Villanelle likes having fun and finds the idea of influencing, messing with, and even corrupting Eve so much fun.
![Villanelle ● "Do You Think I'm A Monster?" [Tribute]](/img/1.gif)
Because Eve is that Asian woman with amazing hair.
you know it!
You crack it
It's what got it all started, in that hospital toilet, after all...
Lol
Honestly, same
Eve had to embrace her darker impulses and V had to embrace her human ones before they could meet each other in the middle...of the bridge. I’m not one of those people who look for symbolism in everything, but the bridge setting was no coincidence.
Oh I had never thought of that before! That's definitely symbolic, you're right
NAILED IT
They’re true love
thats why this series is special
Yes, especially how there was the line in the bridge between them that if you watch really close they never cross
I dont think her mother rejected her because shes a killer. Her mother and her are "the same" because they are both manipulative psychopaths. But where Villanelle is intrigued by people she cant manipulate, her mother is repulsed. Villanelles mother controls both the family and also I think the community (the brother talks about how respected she is at one point). Villanelle is the one person she cant manipulate because she is her equal, they are the same. I dont think her mother likes this which is normal in a sycopath because they have a need to control everything. So the mother got rid of Villanelle soon after she realised she couldnt manipulate her sending her to the orphanege. And then sending her away again when she returned.
Great observations here!
Her mum was a narc parent then
@@chloereed454 Yes...her mum was very narcisstic. I feel like Villanelle never bonded with anyone and then was groomed for the world of violence when she was incarcerated as a juvenile. The combination of no real strong bonds in early childhood and then brutal treatment and then being groomed and rewarded...it's not so astounding that she became who she became.
Yeah same thoughts. Although in the book, you’ll find that Villanelle’s mother is one of the people closest to her heart. Her mother showered her with love, and cared for her even though she’s dying. It’s one of her core memories because she felt her mother’s genuine love.
When eve says “I know” it literally makes me cry😔😪 such a beautiful scene
It makes me cry too😂
She loves Eve because of her amazing hair obviously.
But in all seriousness, really good video.
U right lol it's just the hair
😃 Exactly. Though to be fair, the hair she loves (on Anna, on Eve) are all curly just like her mother's.
and her 'nice body'
I agree on the whole "mommy issues" thing, and indeed i would hazard a guess: her mommy issues is reflected in her tend to love people who give her attention. I mean, she fell in love with Anna because at the time she was the only one who didn't take a step back, she actually showed her "extra love" as she said. V never loves first, she just loves the ones who already (somehow) love her. And honestly I think that V was at first amazed by the similarity between Eve and Anna when she first sees Eve in that bathroom, and that only at a second time she kinda fell in love with her: when Eve got out of her car choosing to trust V and to not be scared. In these women she finds the love she never had from her mother. Not saying Eve is a mother figure, just saying that the lack of love in her childhood effects her way of relating with others.
Btw I'm not English so sorry for any mistakes
Your English is perfect! And you made a really good point that Villanelle doesn't love first, she just loves the people who are already giving her attention. I never noticed that before! You are totally right! Thanks for watching and commenting❤️
I get the same vibes from her relationship with Konstantin
wow, this is a perfect explanation!
I actually feel that Villanelle had started that wheel in the bathroom. She initiated the whole thing back there. If only she paid no attention to the mirror reflection who knows how the plot could go. At least she definitely wouldn't kill anyone beside the exact target. But she got over emotional. As we know she feels things mostly when she’s with Eve. We can assume she couldn’t handle those sudden emotions & got totally mad. I think that if she paid to attention to the mirror, firstly, it could take much more time for Eve to find V, and, secondly, V definitely won’t be triggered by Eve that much.
Your English is completely perfect, didn't even cross my mind when reading! And very insightful points too.
A few notes. It was Villanelle's manipulation of Eve into killing that earned the rejection in the 1st place. She learned the hard way what loves not. Possession with the demand of unconditional surrender. She wanted her mother, Tatiana to admit to her own psychopathy. What happened to her father is a mystery. In her narcissism, Tatiana viewed her own daughter as competition. Even from the 1st season Eve knew on some level Villanelle wanted out of that life and that normalcy was what she coveted. And still viewed her as someone to be saved. Then on Tower Bridge, Villanelle demonstrated her understanding of love at it's most selfless by giving Eve the choice to walk away and Eve still chose her. It also showed how much Villanelle/Oksana has grown up.
I agree, Villanelle had a lot of growing up to do between S1 and S3. But I think Eve would have rejected Villanelle at the end of S2 even if she hadn't manipulated her into killing Raymond. Eve was still chasing after Niko in Poland in S3. I would be interested to know what happened to Villanelle's father-is it possible that he also rejected Villanelle, hence why Villanelle looks to Constantin as a father-figure?
@@screentime4500 Abandonment, murder or suicide is the question where her fathers concerned. Oksana worshipped the ground he walked on. Eve was too invested in Villanelle to dump her until she saw the gun which rendered the investment as worthless. Eve was chasing the last link to her facade of normalcy with Dasha sending her Texts from Niko's phone before the Pitchfork stabbing. Eve was also chasing after Villanelle like a mad woman with nothing to lose. After killing Tatiana, Villanelle died to make way for Oksana's emotional rebirth.
Totally!!!
You said put it perfectly 👏🏾
@@screentime4500 I also believe Eve to be the modern day Madame De Tourvel to Villanelle's female equivalent of Vicomte De Valmont of Dangerous Liaisons(the basis of Cruel Intentions). Only Eve's made of sterner stuff in the hard to get stakes and is the greatest challenge for Villanelle who's bored of the lovers(of both genders) she's so easily seduced in the past. In her quest to conquer Eve it's Villanelle who ends being conquered in more ways than she bargained for.
I love how you caught Villanelle's reaction when Eve says "I know". I now see that it is reaction of relief from Eve's acceptance, like how she had been rejected at every end and then to be accepted.
I'd like to imagine that Villanelle had been alone for so long as an assassin. Not only was MI6 unable to identify her kills, no one was able to catch her. So we see in series 1 when Eve manages not only to identify her kills but was also able to have such a chanced encounter with her, it showed that finally someone was able to seek her out through her work unlike anyone has ever been. Villanelle is also incredibly proud of her assassinations/work, so for someone to be obsessed and "a fan" of her work stroked her ego.Therefore, she is both intrigued and elated that someone was up to her level. Finally she was seen.
Because of that she reciprocates and sought Eve out as well. When she said her name was "Eve Polastri" during the fetish kill, she signals to Eve, "game on." This starts the chain of cat and mice, where Villanelle attempts to test and manipulate Eve only to be bested and for Eve to consistently overcome expectations. Hence, Villanelle sees Eve as an equal and "the same".
Yes, you hit the nail on the head! Villanelle really just wanted to be noticed by someone and obsessed over. I considered having a section of this video talking about V and E's shared loneliness: E doesn't have anyone but Niko and V doesn't have anyone but Constantin. E even says "I basically married my dad" to Carolyn😂
Villanelle absolutely does not see Eve as any kind of equal to herself whatsoever, nor any other human being, because that isn't possible. People with this condition are self-obsessed egomaniacs and see everyone else as inferior, or at the very worst end of the spectrum they have no regard for life at all. She heavily implies on more than one occasion and finally even states to Eve that she is nothing without her and that literally the only thing that makes Eve interesting is Villanelle. Not trying to be rude, but V could (and did) think she killed Eve and just simply move on to the next thing in life and the next person without looking back and it showed us that if Eve had actually died V wouldn't have really cared past that interest that was barely there in the first place, she only had that reaction and got back into her life after Konstantin told her she was alive and he saw her. Otherwise, maybe she would have thought about her every once in a while but she practically forgot already. The idea of someone she is *physically* attracted to (I believe she is incapable of empathy or actual love, or they went the complete psycho direction with her character and then they decided to backtrack across the paint anyway and give a psychopath sudden, miraculous new feelings they make it pretty clear she's never truly felt before. These things are not possible with this level of psychopathy, just fleeting fascination or interest, and if they were staying true to the character they built up she wouldn't be able to truly love anyone. Seems like it's merely Eve's kind of twisted love towards and fascination with her that fuels any interest V has with her... And let's not forget that Eve is on the sociopathy spectrum as well, they have clearly shown that throughout all three seasons.
@@MrAdryan1603 you said it all! I was going to say the same thing. "Here today, gone tomorrow" is how V lives her life. It's going to be interesting to see where they take this relationship. I would hate to see them totally reverse roles
@@patriot7897 Oh definitely, I agree. It could go anywhere at this point.. and I'm just hoping they don't do what a lot of programs do and think they have to up the craziness and drama a few dozen notches and pull some crazy shet on us that screws up everything. They're at a point where they could still do such great and clever things without ruining it.... I guess we'll see. Hahah, cheers!
@@MrAdryan1603 this was the last season
I've always believe and keep believing Villanelle's love for Eve is beyond her mummy issues. Their deep connection, understanding & acceptance is so much more than some freudian issue.
I agree
Thank you
They've been flirting with each other for three yrs now... Maybe that's so typical for lesbians love.
I think they just are really infatuated with each other, leading to love. I don’t think labels are needed. It’s so much more than lesbian love, extremely complex.
Typically we flirt for an hour fall in love in the next move in a day later. 3yrs of flirting is unheard of
@@kimwang2787 that's how me and my gf ended up being bc we were too shy to confront our feelings. not uncalled for, maybe they just need to warm up completely and get to truly dig into each other's complexities.
i don t think eve love s her
@@arkmanevr2073 Then why Eve kiss💋 Villanelle then??
Dang I’m gonna have to get a psychology degree just to operate at this level of theorisation
Aw thanks hahaha
V : I've killed so many people Eve!
E: I Know (soft)
For V means that Eve accepts her just as the way she is, that's why she has a little smile after that response.
That's not even a smile... That's pure a internal struggle and a broken soul.
If you find someone you are initially attracted to who is fascinated by you , accepts you for who you are , has great chemistry with you and loves and respects you chances are you might fall in love with them. That's what's happened here. Lol .
Perfect comment
Is that Bette Porter in your profile picture?
I need more shows/movie recs with this kinda plot line
Unfortunately that love can't always be romantic. Or maybe fortunately... we can find many soulmates. Idk.
This comment section is just GOLD.
I think I've read half of it at least xD so many new perspectives to look at from. Made me think of how cool it would be for all of us to be in one room and discuss this series due to our mutual interests 🙃
And see season 4 together.
@@hannalind7581 For a kiss yes. But for the whole season? Fuck no!
Villanelle and Eve are literally the Ying and Yang symbol. They each have a part of each other, ultimately different but flow with each other.
YES
Christina Yang!
Great video. I'm not truly buying that Villanelle wants Eve only because Eve fulfills what her own mother could not (acceptance, not manipulative, etc). There's also a romantic obsession between them both. And Eve isn't middle-aged in the story...she's in her mid to late thirties (helps that Sandra Oh doesn't age! 😃)
She’s described as being 40 in s1
Sally Cinammon that's not middle-aged and late 30s is around 40 anyway.
@Forever Hermosa 40 is not middle aged
If someone found you endlessly fascinating, the way Eve thinks of Villanelle, your interest would definitely be piqued. Lol. Eve also sees Villanelle with a certain lack of judgment, something which Villanelle might be craving. Eve knows her truth but understands, that can be very liberating, Villanelle doesn't have to lie, pretend or hide anything. The worst of the worst is already known to Eve. There's any number of reasons Villanelle would find being around Eve intoxicating. But it's mainly because she's the centre of the relationship. As she herself told Eve - 'Don't talk to me like that. Don't forget, the only thing that's interesting about you, is me.'
Good old Jamie Moriarty-y vibes. "I can't figure you out so I will stalk you".
I was literally going to talk about that
@@screentime4500 I see. You are a person of culture as well.
@@elfodelputoinfierno honey you should see me in a crown
Villanelle threatened to shot Anna because she emotionally abandoned her like everybody else. This is also why Villanelle shot Eve at season 2 finale. Basically she never had anybody who truly ever loved her, this is part why she does what she does. She's been forcibly emotionally sterile because she keeps finding herself in the same abandonment complex loop her whole life. Basically, yes, "mommy issues" to sum it up.
Only Villanelle didn't shoot Anna. She shot herself.
@@Senate300 Yeah you're right, she only threatened it. But still.
@@tundravarg3525 Anna did it cause she knew she'd been replaced. I would've love for Anna to ask "Is it Eve?" Or having to listen to Oksana Villanelle gush over her new crush at gunpoint would've been a work of art. Eve's emotional abandonment of Villanelle wasn't without reason. And those reasons were swept under the rug never to be addressed again.
what the fuck is with this video? every 5 seconds gets completely blurry... wtf
But after the third season I don't think V wants that acceptance from her mother anymore thus she's no longer looking at Eve as an extension of her maternal figure. She's beyond that and in that dance scene she's just seeking acceptance from the woman she realizes she loves just for who she is. It's the same with Hannibal Lecter and Clarice Starling who end up together in the books. At first Hannibal tries to manipulate Clarice to become a replacement of his sister, Mischa, but he soon stops doing that and starts seeing and loving Clarice as an equal partner. The same with V and Eve. Villanelle is no longer seeing Eve as an extension of her mother and is no longer trying to manipulate or force her darkness out. Instead she's letting Eve do and be whoever she wants (bridge scene) because she no longer feels the need to make her fit that maternal pattern after killing her mother and understanding she doesn't want her acceptance anymore. She loves Eve for being Eve and that's freeing.
With Hannibal & Clarice it cut both ways because while Hannibal initially viewed her as a replacement for his long lost sister, she saw him as a twisted, father figure she fell in love with. In Eve, Villanelle had the friend, the mother and star-crossed lover who takes a genuine interest in her as a human being rather than just a gifted killer with no soul. In turn Hannibal & Villanelle saw their perspective lovers as humans in their own right instead of objects to be possessed.
true but also .....she loves her because she is different in the ways she wants ...and tries to turn her to the same as her mother in the ways she wants
Villanelle says she wants a normal life plenty of times. She wants stability. She wants someone who will accept her for what she is and gets her (someone to watch movies with, a normal life). If you want to play that back - her dad seemed to love her, and he died. Why no mention of that, and such fixation on the mom? What the mom represents in lacking, results in something everyone everyone wants - understanding and acceptance. These are basically uninteresting, baseline expectations in a relationship. So I dont get the level of fixation on that here, and no mention of dads role if you're going to fixate on parental relationships. I also feel you ignored her general upbringing in favor of fixating on the relationship w the mom. Unfortunate because that also plays into the lack of Villanelle feeling known and stable in who is there for her (Eve provides both and it is Eves job to know V).
The thing that is unique about v and eve is that acceptance is about murder. That is where the sparkles in their relationship come from - Eve knows what Villanelle does and still treats her like a person and better.
It's not a mom gap she's trying to fill. It'd a stability and acceptance gap for who she is now. But especially now, and that goes beyonddd what any mom would accept, and where it moves into the mom portion falling apart (most mom's would not approve their child being a murderer correct me if I'm wrong). She grew up adopted, groomed to be an assassin, and didn't get a stable, normal life.
My stomach didn't like this video. Made me very uncomfortable and hope that no straights see this.
you made some really valid points and gave me an idea for my fic, thanks friend
Sandra Oh's favourite analysis.
Lol I would die
Cant really enjoy the video anymore when most of it is just blurred.
It’s because of copyright probably
Very interesting--thanks! A couple things: I think Villanelle's mom asked her to leave before V said she was a killer, and I don't think we have evidence that Villanelle's mom was a killer, though she did kill the childhoods of at least a couple of her kids. Regardless, good insight here.
That's true-V's mom did ask her to leave before Villanelle said she was a killer-but I think V's mom knew about Villanelle's history of killing before V came to visit. I think V's mom being the killer during the game at the dinner table, combined with V saying "you're like me" and then immediately after saying "I've killed a lot of people" are huge hints towards V's mom being a killer too. Hopefully in S4 they will dive more deeply into V's past so we can see what happened!
There was also the convo with her short-lived trainee at the bus stop (beginning of S3). He talked about how his bf rejected him once he knew who he Really was (he killed several people). In that moment, Villanelle clearly related. They both talked about it being the worst feeling so it makes her relief during the tea dance even more impactful.
Awesome video✌🏾
But when Sandra Oh says there's a mother-daughter element to their relationship, the fans get up in arms.
Littlestraincloud what ,.. ...... this can not be mother daughter element😂 no daughter touches crave for her mom... it’s more of. A romantic relationship
@@hijaabivlogger1088 It's a romantic relationship but Villanelle still has a desire for the approval and love for another woman denied to her by her mother
I’ve read that when Sandra first signed on it was gonna be more Thelma and Louise vibes but producers/fans wanted more romantic pairing after season 1🤷🏾🤷🏾
I agree with most of the video, but not with the part it says Villanelle encouraged Eve to kill Raymond in order to turn Eve in a copy of her mother. V did that because Eve, told her at the end of season 1, that she wanted to know how V felt when she killed, so in Villanelle's mind, she trully was giving Eve what she wanted.
I agree
Ohhhh 09:31 I forgot, that she said the same sentence to her mother. Excellent video :) well done ^^ !
This reminds me of the relationship between Hannibal and will graham. Cause will graham admires Hannibal work and Hannibal is really infatuated with will graham
Then theyll jump the cliff together
YAS
Ooohh never thought of that
YES oh my god i thought i was the only one
why is half of this blurry? Is it just me?
yeah, what's that about??
Very distracting and frustration
DAMN the writer of that series is a lover for psychology.
Villanelle meant that her mother was just as twisted as her because Villanelle is her daughter, hence "I am my mothers daughter". I believe Villanelle has "Mommy issues" to an extent, but i think she just had that spark with Eve and that spark told her that this is the person that would really love her. Villanelle has never truly ever felt loved by any one, everyone she's ever cared for or has shared a moment of her life has betrayed her.
1. Her mother abandoned her (There's a subtle subtext that i picked up re-watching the show in which i believe Villanelle's mother had told the orphanage to tell young Villanelle that they had died in the car crash and she then told their family that Villanelle had died in the fire so she didn't have to bring her back).
2. Dasha was the one who made her in to a killer, she was rough on her and somewhere in season 3 it is mentioned that Dasha tried to kill Villanelle. Which explains Villanelle's Hostility towards Dasha when she see's her at her wedding.
3.Anna wouldn't choose Villanelle over her husband and out of jealousy Villanelle killed him.
4. Konstantin set her up to obtain the whereabouts of his family.
this is true
I notice the video is blurred, is it due to copyright issues?
Villanelle wants the love she lacked from her mom but she sees Eve like a parter a relationship partner not a mother figure.
This is one of the best analysis I have ever came across!! This amazing! Loved every minute of it.
Thank you!! That's so kind
Because of Villanelle's mummy issues, she always has an attraction to women who resemble her mother. But going off of her relationships with Anna and Eve, they both have another thing in common: they accepted her the way she was. Because Villanelle's own mother could not accept her for who she was, she has a particular connection to those who do, which is why her relationships with Anna and Eve went on for longer than any others. Villanelle wants people to choose her, because she is abandoned all the time. She made Anna choose between her and her husband; Anna chose her husband. She made Eve choose between her and her life; Eve chose life as she knew it. There is always an ultimatum with Villanelle.
So, Villanelle still has this tether to her mother, until she visits her in Russia. On that trip, Villanelle is freed from the hold her mother had on her, and finally releases the emotional guilt she always carried. That is why after her trip, she changed. She herself became more accepting. She no longer pushed Eve to choose her. Instead, she gave Eve the freedom and space to choose what she wanted. She gave her the option to leave and never look back; it was all in Eve's hands. Because Eve didn't just symbolise the lost connection with her mother anymore; it was no longer infatuation. Eve was the woman Villanelle loved. And Eve chose her, when no one else has ever chose her. This symbolises the changes in both characters in comparison to the earlier seasons - they both had to accept the parts of themselves they weren't willing to accept in order to be free.
And yet…the beginning of season 4 doesn’t reflect these positive changes at all.
She just wants someone to watch movies with. And Eve is the only person that interests her. Because deep down Eve understands and accepts her.
Your analysis is literally so enlightening and spot on I love it!!! Also, that “third times a charm” thing had me laughing so hard
Thank you and omg yes I knew I had to use Mario kart music there
This video was done beautifully. Great job! 👍🏻
Tysm❤️
Just watched season 4 and i want to haunt down the writer's one by one 💀
thing about Villanelle is that she's not psychopathic. The show got that totally wrong. Psychopaths are incapable of feeling emotion, and her emotional and impulsive reaction to her mother's spurning demonstrates that she reacts emotionally to external stimuli. The fact that she reacts with emotion, accompanied by an extreme act of violence demonstrates that she's not actually a psychopath because doing something like that would not benifit her in anyway, therefore it could be considered an emotional reaction due to its irrationality. She also experiences regret, which is counter to psychopaths, who are unapologetic in their behavior and have lack of remorse.
The show got this part about Villanelle wrong. Should have said she's a sociopath (they can feel selective emotions, and are "made, not born" which is what the show seems to imply happened to her) and not a psychopath.
Sociopaths are the ones who can't love, Psychopaths can, usually with family.
@@liv-uu1fi both terms are outdated and actually considered kinda offensive but that aside you actually have them backwards! it’s said that sociopaths can from bonds but psychopaths are physically unable to (makes sense because sociopaths are built from trauma and psychopaths are born that way)
@@thatskyhalo idk man every source say something different 🤷♀im sorry if I said something offensive though
@@liv-uu1fi no worries, youre all good!! and yeahhh there’s a lotta misleading information but an easy way to remember is PSYCHopath (born with aspd) vs SOCIOpath (aspd formed due to social factors and/or trauma),,, which then makes sense why the later can appear more impulsive/emotional edit: i’m realizing i’m just repeating a bunch of things ignore me💀💀
This was such a good character analysis, I'm sorry I missed this video 5 months ago.
I love this show and never thought about the characters relationship this way. Brilliant analysis!
Oh god i miss them both so much .. jodie is such a wonderful lover that she made me question my sexuality😜😜 i never knew having gf is far far better thn having a bf 😂😂😂
Why are half the clips blurred out? I had to stop watching halfway through because it got so frustrating.
Everything about this show makes me wanna keep living
Just not the ending 😢
Villanelle needs someone that makes her feeling something and that's what Eve is to Villanelle. She wants someone to care for her because she never got that from her mother
What the hell with all these blackout screens and s***?
So you've just proven that Villanelle is attracted to a woman who other than being older than her, DOES NOT remind her of her own mom. I think she has mommy and daddy issue as MOST people do, but Eve represents someone who isn't scared or freaked out by her, someone who actually likes the unconventional and scary parts of her. Eve likes her for her, which I mean, in the end, is what the vast majority of people want.
A very accurate, observant and intelligent description of the Killing Eve serie!
I mean all through out the series am like "coz...Sandra Oh is momie" I mean, Sandra Oh pls adopt me 😤😂
5:09 „I kno” always gets me
Wow that's really digging deep into her personality 😍
Thank you so much!! I rly loved the video 💜
Oh you're so kind thank you so much 😊
Why so many blurred screens? It's so hard to follow 😔
I think it’s so it doesn’t get taken down. Like copyright issues I guess
I read somewhere that Phoebe turn down the role of Villanelle because she wanted to be more years between them. They already had the idea of a mother figure.
Loved this video. Explained things i hadn’t even thought about!
Thanks! When I was preparing for this video I discovered a lot of stuff I didn't even think of either lol I got lots of help
No hate to you or your video, but overall people need to stop calling Villanelle a psychopath without knowing what an actual psychopath is. She isn't a psychopath. Low functioning sociopath maybe. If that. But definitely not a psychopath. Two very different things. I know the show itself threw the "psychopath" word around a lot to try to describe Villanelle because at first glance, that's what it looks like. But as the show progresses and you get to understand ViIlanelle as a character more, her story, and yes. her emotions. You realize she's much more complex than that. For starters, one of the biggest differences between sociopathy and psychopathy is the fact that psychopaths are simply born like that. They don't need trauma to make them that. Sociopaths on the other hand are created by their environment. But even then. People who have ADP have a very low level of emotions. Psychopaths don’t have any kind of emotional responses to thing or empathy for that matter. They simply mirror people and their emotions. But can't feel any of their own. Whenever they do show emotions it’s simply to mimic or manipulate. But as the story progresses, you see Villanelle having genuine emotional responses to many things. Like in Amsterdam when she’s watching through the window, waiting for Eve to show up to the crime scene just to see Eves partner instead. She was clearly heartbroken by that. So much so that she goes out to a club, takes a bunch of pills and almost kills a girl. Then the next day she’s visibly falling apart while staring at herself in the mirror. When she sees that Eve is her next target. She grieves and asks a hotel employee to comfort her. If she was a psychopath she would just mercilessly do the job and move on. On episode 5 of season 3 when she goes home to finally deal with her trauma she faces it head on. Specifically her relationship with her mother. She’s clearly in search for closure or peace of mind. But because she doesn’t find it she handles it the only way she knows how by setting the house on fire with her own mother inside. She does in fact spare her brothers lives though because she does care about them. But that train ride home? You can visibly see her trying to hold back tears and her overall emotions. You can see how much pain she’s in. She tries to suppress it because that's all she knows. If she was truly a psychopath she would have been fine. Her moms murder would have been like any other kill. But the next day. She’s crying besides the bathtub looking at the ceiling helplessly trying to understand her own emotions. Next episode. More tears. She cries quite a lot from half of season 2 on for someone without emotions. Let’s not forget how Villanelle has a tendency to act like an innocent child on many occasions because of the fact that she was denied a normal childhood with an overall very rough upbringing. Dasha trained Villanelle from a young age and basically constructed the “perfect killing machine.” Which suggests that she only kills people because she doesn’t know a different reality. Because it’s her job or to get people out of her way. Or even when people are between her and Eve. But overall, throughout the show, especially near the end you see so much personal growth and change in Villanelle as a character. Psychopath can’t change or be cured. Villanelle on the other hand doesn’t want to kill anymore because she just doesn’t see a point and wants to leave that part of her life behind to start over. Whatever that may mean for her. Which we will see more of in season 4. So yeah, taking all that into account, you can understand my problem when people try to suggest that she is a psychopath when she in fact is not.
@samdoesstuff You wasted your time writing this comment because I couldn’t care less who reads it 😂🤷🏽♀️
@samdoesstuff Because I wanted to. And because I love psychology and hate misinformation.
Why are so many parts of this video blurred out?
What an insightful well thought out video and explanation ! It’s deep and full of truths that I have been trying to find the right words to describe. Villanelle is just looking for a person that knowing what she is will accept her . I’m so impressed with Jodies acting and the shows writing and Sandra . I know that there might not be a happy ending to this show but in my mind I have created one for Villanelle . She deserves a reset button and a much better matriarchal influence in her life , not one that abandoned her early on . I got to admit your explanation of this dynamic of eve/vill is scary spot on . Makes me want to start from the beginning and watch again . Got to get that Hulu subscription back on lol . Well done on helping me appreciate Villanelle/Jodie on a deeper level and keep up the good work !!!
Thank you so much for this! Excellent work. Your video and some of the comments here have given me more think about and love about the show and the writers. For me, I’m not convinced Villanelle can love as true psychopaths are incapable of love and empathy. When V says “I love you” at the end of S2, E points out that she doesn’t know what that is and V confirms it by equating it to possessiveness (“you’re mine”). This is why the end of S3 confuses me because V seems to feel and show selfless love - so are the writers saying that V is no longer a psychopath? Psychopathy is not really curable from what I understand (though I am no expert).
Villanelle loves Eve’s hair 🤷🏼♀️😂
Almost unwatchable. Censored by youtube? Only about 10-15 seconds per minute is actually viewable. Could only tolerate about half.
Vs mother was a psychopath who resented V for taking even a small part of her husbands affection and loving V.( so she got rid of her) V saw how her mother was destroying her brother and step brother and hurting them, so saved them! E is a strong intelligent and unpredictable so is intriguing! We also see her admiration for Carolyn in the final episode, another strong intelligent woman, who can be unpredictable! We also see the lack of respect for her mentor K as he is shown to be weak in her eyes!
Why so blurry?
I think this is a really simplistic interpretation of their relationship. In some ways this mother-daughter concept is true, but it's only one facet of their relationship; there's more to it than that. The fact of it is, Villanelle isn't wrong when she says her and Eve are the same. If you watch each season closely there are moments that prove Eve has psychopathic tendencies; her lack of empathy towards Frank, her reaction to the psychologist's presentation in season 2, and just a lot of the interactions she has with Niko. That moment when Villanelle convinces Eve to kill Raymond is Villanelle's proof they're the same. Villanelle tells Eve, she "wanted her to know what it felt like" and later that, "this is what you wanted" and in a way that is what Eve wanted ever since the first episode where she cut her own leg. She was imagining what it felt like. Villanelle repeats each season that Eve is different somehow, and that is because Eve also has psychopathic tendencies. Children who realize they are different try to fit in as much as possible and some never take off that mask, and that's Eve. She has built the most boring, normal life for herself, but when she met Villanelle, she"woke up." Meanwhile, Villanelle who's never been given the chance to experience a normal life, so to speak, sees the opportunity to have that and the acceptance of someone like her, acceptance she never even received from Konstantin, in Eve. The end of season 2 and other conversations she has with Eve, proves that's what she wants, where she tells eve, "we'd be normal." So, while this mother-daughter facet of their relationship is there; I feel it is far more minimal than this video suggest. Even my points here don't cover the entirety of what they represent to each other. These are beautifully complicated characters and they deserve a far better dissection than this video delivered.
No one had empathy towards Frank lol. And this video was way more spot on then I thought it was when I watch it a second time.
@@RachelT.773 I'm not saying they're entirely wrong, just that the video is interpreting their complicated relationship as Villanelle simply has mommy issues. And Frank may have been a bad example. 🤣
1:14 her expression! Priceless✨💫
If there is a season 4 of killing eve. I want eve and villanelle to be together
Who doesn't....😢
Let’s just ignore that Vilanelle has murdered hundreds of people. So cute...
@@universalau8793 you need help
@@someone20ify why do I need help
there is a season 4 i read online it will air on April 2021
Thanks for putting together the video. I wish you had dug a little deeper into the bus kiss and how that also illustrated Eve removing yet another barrier between them and a concluding summation would have tied up things in a nice little bow, but that aside, you did a fine job of explaining Villanelle's motivations.
OMG I loved when Eve did that it was quite clever. I'm pretty sure Eve was trying to lower Villanelles guard so she could escape and it worked perfectly.
If Vilanelle is in love with anything it is with the avatar of her ultimate destruction.
Wow this was such a good analysis and makes their relationship make so much more sense to me than it did before. It's not just a simple spy vs spy or cat and mouse situation, it's so much deeper than that. While Eve is a bit of a hybristophiliac- besides Villanelle Eve makes multiple comments and insinuations to being further than just fascinated by crime and actually attracted to the criminals that commit them, only trying to act the opposite when she begins to feel she's gotten herself too deep into the situation. Villanelle on the other hand is so enamored with Eve, as she has a shitload of deeply engraved issues that stem from her mother as you laid out in this video.
Once again, great analysis and greatly put together.
Okay, I'll just go ahead and say what everyone's thinking. Your constant blurring f***s things up.
I don't think her love for Eve is because she wants her to be like her mother. if anything it is the total opposite. VIllanelle loves Eve because she's very different. And I believe her love for her goes beyond the mommy issues. If that were the case she would have just get bored very easily.
Yeah, more like she is looking for someone to fill the hole left by her mother who didn't love her. I think that's how she became an assassin too. I think Dasha pretended to care for her at a young age because she knew that was what Villanelle craved and then used that to manipulate her into becoming a violent sociopath. I think the darkness in Eve is important too though, because to Villanelle it means that she is capable of accepting her darkness too. She's just looking for that balance of darkness and true love, and she's been let down by everyone.
Mommy issues!!
FYI: Almost the entire video is a blur.
Pretty sure they know. They made the video. 🙄
@@EMVelez-qb1zu I thought maybe RUclips added something. My comment came off as rude but wasn't my intention.
Jodie Comer is amazing.
I LOVE THIS, it's amazing your analysis, but I would like if you can analyze the whole season 3 based on the villaneve relationship, because it shows that villanelle is really in love with eve not just an obsession or something like that, even she let her go just for love, the opposite she did in season 2.
It would be amazing if you make a point of view "what makes a Psychopath to fall in love", like a more deeply analysis focus on season 3, anyway, I hope you understand me lol
You're amazing, love your work, love this video 💜
I will do a part 2 and hopefully that will address everything you mentioned!😊Thanks for watching+sharing your thoughts
Watching this video after the finale :((
Wow, what an amazing video. I was wondering why Villanelle was so attracted and infatuated with Eve and this explained it perfectly. So interesting
Because Eve was never scared of Vil. Everybody else is scared of her.
To be fair so they should be. 😂😄😅
Hope see the season 4 soon,this drama is so amazing
Wow that was so interesting and accurate thing !! Really good analys about V’s psychology
Wow! It’s such a great analysis 💯
After this season, I don't think Villanelle is a psychopath. A psychopath wouldn't wonder if they were missing out on something outside of a life of violence.
You summed up one season 1-3 are soooo goood!
why are so many scenes blurred?
Acceptance is the best feeling
wow, i mean at some level i understood the attraction but now it makes so much sense. THANK YOU!
This is just right a good journey to V’s mind
Even though Eve has the big hair and big age difference Villanelle likes, Villanelle would eventually get bored of her. Or Eve may get a haircut, and that’s it. It’s all over.
Lol I don't know why but you cracked me up at "3rd time is the charm" lolol it does seem like the plot armour is always very thicc with these 2 ain't it? 🤣🤣
it’s not addressed in the show but i’m pretty sure that Villanelle is a Sociopath, during the show they call he a psychopath however, Villanelle is able to make a connection with eve which is something that is impossible for a psychopath to do.
Villanelle also shows other sociopathic tendencies
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I agree. It’s clear as the series progresses that she is not a true psychopath.
Very good summary. What is you prediction for S4, particularly given the last scene? Many viewers have been upset at the mention that the two characters will not be in a romantic relationship. I think they initially will not be and will begin to collaborate on trying to bring down the 12. I think there will be a point where they begin to have stronger feelings for each other, but I have a bad feeling that one of them, probably Villanelle, will be seriously injured, maybe killed, by the end of the season. Of course, that would be the end of the series, which would be sad, but it just seems that her luck has to run out at some point.
Thank you! I was pretty bad at predicting season 3, so I'm not sure my predictions would be good for season 4, but I could see Villanelle trying to do MI6 work (behind Carolyn's back) with Eve. Seeing Villanelle trying to curb her impulse to kill and act normal could make up the majority of S4. I think the show has always followed the formula of waiting until the season finale to reunite Eve and Villanelle, so I wouldn't be surprised if that happened again. Then again, Laura Neal wrote E3 and E8 of S3 which were both heavy on VillanEve (the kiss and the bridge scene) so if she's the head writer for S4 then maybe we can expect more of them together. But your guess is as good as mine!
I think Eve & Villanelle have come too far to just be pining gal pals. On the sex & romance department that would be a huge waste of potential. The will they won't they element thatbdrove the shows success may be the same pretentious hill it dies on.
I hope Laura Neal, or someone on the team maybe took a look at Die For Me (I'm about a third thru, but I read the ending first..., couldn't resist).
A lot will depend on whether there's a S05 or not. I don't think V is gonna be rid of the Twelve. Helene will be back. There's an interview with Fiona Shaw here on YT, where she says she's gonna have a lot more screen time in S04. While Carolyn definitly seemed part of "the good guys" in S01, with the Rome operation setup in S02, that's no longer true... She knows about Helene, it took V a few seconds to register that (Royal Albert Hall scene), but she didn't seem that surprised. V told Eve (S01 kitchen table scene I think) that "if you go high enough up, we could be working for the same people".
I hope the writers take the show back towards the books, like in S01. V posing as a motorcycle cop (S03E03) comes out of No Tomorrow (of which I've only read a few parts for now), so they still have an eye on the books...
And Karen, I think it's a real possibility that they let V die in the very final episode. There's the "paying for your crimes" angle, "the bad guys" cannot be seen to get away with it. But at this point, it's all pure speculation anyway...
@@DirkDP65 Killing Eve often blurs the line between good & evil, heroism & villainy, morality and amorality. It's never completely black and white. The shows treated like a separate entity to it's source material. Even to the point of surpassing it.
Dirk DP I'm also reading the books, halfway through second and snuck a peek at third book. There's more adrenaline in third book that resembles season 1. If third season was all character development, the writers should increase the pace and consider the book's plot. Nothing wrong with that. I'm sure Luke will be fine with it.
They didn't say Villanelle's mother was a killer. I think they gave us an indication that she was also a phychopath.
"villanelle represents something unpredictable and exciting" *queue villanelle wearing pig-girl costume*
yup, on character xD
i think i might binge watche all episodes AGAIN lol
I don’t think Villanelle does love Eve, she only loves Eve’s admiration and romanticisation of her. Villanelle gets off on the way she is reflected in Eve’s eyes. Villanelle likes having fun and finds the idea of influencing, messing with, and even corrupting Eve so much fun.
Cant watch this video cause of all the blurred out scenes
This could be a podcast...
I though my phone was broken when I watch that blur.
Anyway good video
This was a great video and opened my eyes to analysis I wouldn't have thought of. Good work!
I love this series soo much 😭😭😭