Why I agree with what you've said. The one line "if you don't like it just don't use it" would be true IF there was any other realistic alternative and the only alternative is Chromium.. which is a no-go for a lot of people
@@br.3250 simply because of the Chromium monopoly. obviously most people don't care, but there exist people including myself who feel that if there isn't ANY alternative, your control of your internet is very much out of your hands. things like Manifest V3 planned from Chrome intend to break ad-block functionality, which is an intentional limiting of the users control over their browsing.
@@apokolypxAfaik librewolf is basically just modded firefox so i think if firefox goes to shit all the mods will either have to follow or stay on a old version.
Change is scary. Especially with a product you love and want to see improve. I like that approach you have towards criticizing. Tell the companies you like how you want things to be. If they don't listen or just want to take it a different direction then simply parting ways is the best move.
Keyword is temporary… I don't think I'm okay if their permanent ceo was someone who did Airbnb and PayPal and eBay as their previous ceo experience. But it's temporary… they better be damn careful who they pick to be the successor. I don't want Firefox to go to shit, Firefox is one of the few browsers that isn't chromium and I don't want them to join the rest of big tech and kill off the last bit of competition that exists, nor to become anti-consumer.
Hopefully they don’t pick a CEO based on DEI, but it is a tech company so probably going to be someone without any technical knowledge, and that would be the end of a good browser
Getting 500 M from Google isn't very good to "fight" against the villain... because they are funding you. So the fact that Firefox isn't Chromium I feel it doesn't do much to the overall thing.
@@LautaroQ2812 Actually, that $500M isn't so much of an influence as you might think. That $500M is actually to keep the regulators off Google's backs. It's something to point to when regulators investigate Chromium for being a monopoly. They can point to it and say "See? We're helping competition. We're so pro-competition that we literally fund our competitors!" Meanwhile Firefox is the only major competitor to Chromium out there that's not inside of Apple's monopolistic ecosystem.
@@LautaroQ2812 Actually the $500M that Google gives to Firefox is really just an antitrust deterrent, something they can point to whenever Chromium gets investigated for being a monopoly. They can use it as pretext to claim they're helping keep competition alive so the FCC goes away. It's not an influence over Firefox because Google is doing it out of necessity, so Firefox has the power to say that if Google stops funding them then they'll call up the FCC.
People acknowledge it or not, Mozilla and Firefox's success is very important for the free Internet as a whole in front of Google's monopoly (through Chrome) on the Internet.
You know how they can innovate in my opinion? They can literally just attempt to make Firefox a better browser. That's all it takes. Adopt modern standards and make the browser perform as well as Chrome, just for starters. Then maybe work on new features that make for a better browsing experience (modern UI, adopt some Arc features, improve dev tools...etc).
Arc is literally an embryo in the browser game. Also, FF has innovated a lot. Chrome made me quit FF as my default browser. Then I switched to Brave because of Chrome's privacy issues. But for the last 3-4 years, I've been back on FF as my default precisely because of new features like FF containers.
brave current CEO is the original ceo of Mozilla, who was forced to step down. I doubt Mozilla would focus on innovating, when their paycheck comes from google. If they ever become a significant engine, google can claim they're not a monopoly and mozilla would lose their paychecks
@@phoneywheeze Google already claims they are not a monopoly, and FF is still a significant engine. Yes, it's lost "market share", but it's still very much relevant. Also, as said in my previous comment, FF has and continues to innovate. Right now it still has features that no other browser has, like containers, which to me is brilliant.
Sounds great; laying off people in useful roles to replace them with an overpaid CEO and pausing all sorts of good projects. Sounds like they’re trying to break their own company 🙃👍
Your approach is quite healthy and mature. What's for Mozilla... They are really controversial company and they somehow do deserve some hate. Feels like they're going back and forth and end up going nowhere. If these changes mean they're going to break out of this cycle and go somewhere at last then that's a good thing, even if they risk losing everything. But where there's risk, there's reward. If they stay in one place there's almost no garantee of success or progress, only stagnation.
I soured on them when they did a self reach around in 2014 because their new CEO had a different moral belief. Hope everyone in the company learns how to shovel coal.
Would be nice if Firefox can improve with time. Whether it’s for the average user or experts. I remember using Firefox many years ago. So I do have some fond memories with the browser.
As a web dev I wish Firefox won the browser war to dethrone corporations but the dev inspector experience for me just sucks compared to edge. Thunderbird looks better finally, after how many decades but I still can’t set it up for my parents without apologizing for boneheaded defaults such as showing oldest emails first, not moving spam out of inbox folder and hiding important settings behind this tiny hamburger icon when everything else is via right clicking on the inbox. I don’t need their vpn. I don’t want to hear about any ai ever. I wish them luck.
Yeah people, dont forget to validate and comfort companies, even when you criticize them. They can change. Give them another chance. Sure they've layed off people again, but it's hard for them to reach balance, you know. It's not always just about what the users need really. Companies, sometimes they do bad stuff, but that's not always their fault. And the last thing the companies need now is more conflict. They've already suffered so much. They really need our support now.
I remember when Sears got their most profitable CEO, it began with layoffs.... Share holders did a killing, and then went on to buy shares elsewhere 🤑 Same happened to other companies. So yeah, I'm worried.
Wild insane take but I'd expect Sears to last more than Mozilla somehow. Simple reason: nobody would buy Sears and it seems Lampert will extract all the juice from that orange, slow death scenario, but Mozilla has enough value for someone to eventually buy it and eventually eliminate the brand. I don't think Mozilla can be saved *and* stay in the same open source model they operate.
Given the background of the temporary CEO...yeah, this makes me concerned. Any red flags of Mozilla being 'compromised' (which I pray there won't be) and I'll want to just ship to Arc even more. Or if person reading likes Firefox without Mozilla's decisions, Librewolf still exists at time of writing.
I think for once companies are being dragged up by microsoft on ai intergration drive. For once apple and mozilla playing catch up to avoid the microsoft oroboros of dead (dated/late market) on arival features.
I feel like I'm the only one that actually wanted that localhosted mozilla AI. Since I was a kid I wanted a local search engine for files, bookmarks and notes. My old phone liked to sort photos in "people folders" using facial recognition. I don't even know where to start if I want to do that on a PC.
@@phoneywheeze thanx, but it's based on a reply to another comment. i had to leave 3 replies because the 1st two got deleted. would be nice if the channel owner answered, because i wanna know who thinks it's ok to censor convos
I don't give a crap about the layoffs at any company. All I care about is how any company can benefit me personally without taking advantage of me. If they want my money or my participation, then they must make the correct decisions. Would you really by a Yugo car?
like many browsers, they strikes deals for default search engines, default shortcuts, and sponsored news stories Google pays Firefox to be the default search engine. Multiple companies pay Firefox to be a default shortcut/bookmark. Sponsored articles can show up on a New Tab, if you don't turn off that option Mozilla also offers subscription services like a VPN, Email Relay, etc
I already didn't really like some of the things they changed, as they shifted to a less pro consumer approach ages ago, I'm kinda worried about these changes. I really hope they won't just become like every other browser, because at that point there would actually be no alternative to chromium, unless we count Safari as an option.
Be loyal to nothing. Use what's best for you at the time, all the time. If what you're using changes direction mid-stream and knocks you for a loop, dump 'em. We're not in 1998. There's 15 competitors for every thing trying to please you. Believing that "we want you to be something else" is different from "we don't like what you are" is a quick path to divorce, btw. These are the same thing. Believing they are different will lead you into much wasted time and effort and life.
If you are able to find Steve Job’s lost interview, he explains what happens to tech companies that stop focusing on innovation and focus on increasing profits for stakeholders. Those companies don’t last long
If one end of an ethics/ideals spectrum disappears, then the whole of an issue like this can change for the worse. Mozilla represents a symbol for a higher ideal. But not only that, they have clearly state goals to be more idealistic. Naturally they are a symbol and a target. I don't know what that means about what they're doing, but one would hope they are still striving to come closer to that. It's very frustrating to see how lost they are when they keep on shifting and losing focus on any particular thing - and never getting very far with their goals. wtf mozilla. Now AI? How is that social purpose I wonder. An AI that personalized and democratized learning would be good. But aren't they just knowingly biting off more than they can chew again? P.S. Very very interested to see how Servo develops. It seems like its goal is to become a more modular engine that can be used in many different browsers. This is another area where Firefox made it difficult.
1. Audio is fine. 2. Great takes, you've grown and you're open about it. 3. Just another company laying off 60 people, not too big of a deal. 4. none of my friends even know what "Mozilla" is. 5. I'm a tech dweeb myself a bit and I don't care to use Firefox, it's just meh; even if they do a rewrite/upgrade I'm still going to NOT use.
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Definitely curious for some of your takes on this one! Leave them below
It"s the shareholders that decide to replace CEO's via board of directors, not the end users or the employees.
Why I agree with what you've said.
The one line "if you don't like it just don't use it" would be true IF there was any other realistic alternative and the only alternative is Chromium.. which is a no-go for a lot of people
Why it's a no-go?
@@br.3250 simply because of the Chromium monopoly. obviously most people don't care, but there exist people including myself who feel that if there isn't ANY alternative, your control of your internet is very much out of your hands. things like Manifest V3 planned from Chrome intend to break ad-block functionality, which is an intentional limiting of the users control over their browsing.
Yeah, I have been trying to avoid chromium altogether
Librewolf?
@@apokolypxAfaik librewolf is basically just modded firefox so i think if firefox goes to shit all the mods will either have to follow or stay on a old version.
Change is scary. Especially with a product you love and want to see improve. I like that approach you have towards criticizing. Tell the companies you like how you want things to be. If they don't listen or just want to take it a different direction then simply parting ways is the best move.
The situation can't really get much worse... Hopefully the folks at Mozilla and this new CEO don't prove me wrong, hopefully the situation improves.
Keyword is temporary… I don't think I'm okay if their permanent ceo was someone who did Airbnb and PayPal and eBay as their previous ceo experience. But it's temporary… they better be damn careful who they pick to be the successor. I don't want Firefox to go to shit, Firefox is one of the few browsers that isn't chromium and I don't want them to join the rest of big tech and kill off the last bit of competition that exists, nor to become anti-consumer.
Arguably they aren't very pro consumer right now. They kinda ride on the goodwill of firefox's beginning while doing a lot of what other browsers do.
Hopefully they don’t pick a CEO based on DEI, but it is a tech company so probably going to be someone without any technical knowledge, and that would be the end of a good browser
Getting 500 M from Google isn't very good to "fight" against the villain... because they are funding you.
So the fact that Firefox isn't Chromium I feel it doesn't do much to the overall thing.
@@LautaroQ2812 Actually, that $500M isn't so much of an influence as you might think. That $500M is actually to keep the regulators off Google's backs. It's something to point to when regulators investigate Chromium for being a monopoly. They can point to it and say "See? We're helping competition. We're so pro-competition that we literally fund our competitors!" Meanwhile Firefox is the only major competitor to Chromium out there that's not inside of Apple's monopolistic ecosystem.
@@LautaroQ2812 Actually the $500M that Google gives to Firefox is really just an antitrust deterrent, something they can point to whenever Chromium gets investigated for being a monopoly. They can use it as pretext to claim they're helping keep competition alive so the FCC goes away. It's not an influence over Firefox because Google is doing it out of necessity, so Firefox has the power to say that if Google stops funding them then they'll call up the FCC.
People acknowledge it or not, Mozilla and Firefox's success is very important for the free Internet as a whole in front of Google's monopoly (through Chrome) on the Internet.
You know how they can innovate in my opinion? They can literally just attempt to make Firefox a better browser. That's all it takes. Adopt modern standards and make the browser perform as well as Chrome, just for starters. Then maybe work on new features that make for a better browsing experience (modern UI, adopt some Arc features, improve dev tools...etc).
Arc is literally an embryo in the browser game. Also, FF has innovated a lot. Chrome made me quit FF as my default browser. Then I switched to Brave because of Chrome's privacy issues. But for the last 3-4 years, I've been back on FF as my default precisely because of new features like FF containers.
Arc is not even a real browser, is just marketing
brave current CEO is the original ceo of Mozilla, who was forced to step down. I doubt Mozilla would focus on innovating, when their paycheck comes from google. If they ever become a significant engine, google can claim they're not a monopoly and mozilla would lose their paychecks
@@phoneywheeze Google already claims they are not a monopoly, and FF is still a significant engine. Yes, it's lost "market share", but it's still very much relevant. Also, as said in my previous comment, FF has and continues to innovate. Right now it still has features that no other browser has, like containers, which to me is brilliant.
Sounds great; laying off people in useful roles to replace them with an overpaid CEO and pausing all sorts of good projects. Sounds like they’re trying to break their own company 🙃👍
Your approach is quite healthy and mature.
What's for Mozilla... They are really controversial company and they somehow do deserve some hate. Feels like they're going back and forth and end up going nowhere. If these changes mean they're going to break out of this cycle and go somewhere at last then that's a good thing, even if they risk losing everything. But where there's risk, there's reward. If they stay in one place there's almost no garantee of success or progress, only stagnation.
I soured on them when they did a self reach around in 2014 because their new CEO had a different moral belief. Hope everyone in the company learns how to shovel coal.
that ceo is now the ceo of brave
I'm enjoying your more frequent uploads on news like this!
Glad you enjoy it! Definitely trying things out ❤️
I like firefox but I use waterfox witch is just firefox with all telemetry remowed and de mozzilad
I'm curious how Mozilla generates income
Google pay Firefox to allow them to be the default search engine.
Would be nice if Firefox can improve with time. Whether it’s for the average user or experts.
I remember using Firefox many years ago. So I do have some fond memories with the browser.
As a web dev I wish Firefox won the browser war to dethrone corporations but the dev inspector experience for me just sucks compared to edge.
Thunderbird looks better finally, after how many decades but I still can’t set it up for my parents without apologizing for boneheaded defaults such as showing oldest emails first, not moving spam out of inbox folder and hiding important settings behind this tiny hamburger icon when everything else is via right clicking on the inbox.
I don’t need their vpn. I don’t want to hear about any ai ever. I wish them luck.
Isn't Servo its own thing now? Dropped by Mozilla and picked up by the Linux foundation
Seems like you’re correct, thanks for correcting this!
Yeah people, dont forget to validate and comfort companies, even when you criticize them. They can change. Give them another chance. Sure they've layed off people again, but it's hard for them to reach balance, you know. It's not always just about what the users need really. Companies, sometimes they do bad stuff, but that's not always their fault. And the last thing the companies need now is more conflict. They've already suffered so much. They really need our support now.
all sorts of pointless observations until you figure out WHY things are happening
I remember when Sears got their most profitable CEO, it began with layoffs.... Share holders did a killing, and then went on to buy shares elsewhere 🤑
Same happened to other companies.
So yeah, I'm worried.
Wild insane take but I'd expect Sears to last more than Mozilla somehow. Simple reason: nobody would buy Sears and it seems Lampert will extract all the juice from that orange, slow death scenario, but Mozilla has enough value for someone to eventually buy it and eventually eliminate the brand. I don't think Mozilla can be saved *and* stay in the same open source model they operate.
@@matheus_bercot It"s the shareholders that decide to replace CEO's via board of directors, not the end users or the employees.
2:50 As I know it was a project of Mozilla but they don't own it now, but The Linux Foundation does
Thanks for the correction!
Given the background of the temporary CEO...yeah, this makes me concerned. Any red flags of Mozilla being 'compromised' (which I pray there won't be) and I'll want to just ship to Arc even more. Or if person reading likes Firefox without Mozilla's decisions, Librewolf still exists at time of writing.
and Floorp!
When the "focus" becomes profit/money. You need to be worried.
I think for once companies are being dragged up by microsoft on ai intergration drive. For once apple and mozilla playing catch up to avoid the microsoft oroboros of dead (dated/late market) on arival features.
I feel like I'm the only one that actually wanted that localhosted mozilla AI. Since I was a kid I wanted a local search engine for files, bookmarks and notes. My old phone liked to sort photos in "people folders" using facial recognition. I don't even know where to start if I want to do that on a PC.
Does system76 and others install firefox by default on systems sold?
*puts pitchfork away*
Yeah, Mozilla is pretty neat. Hope they can continue to provide great services.
are you deleting my reply to a rude comment or is that RUclips doing that??
answer the question, please
probably youtube, I can see your comments
@@phoneywheeze thanx, but it's based on a reply to another comment. i had to leave 3 replies because the 1st two got deleted. would be nice if the channel owner answered, because i wanna know who thinks it's ok to censor convos
I don't give a crap about the layoffs at any company.
All I care about is how any company can benefit me personally without taking advantage of me. If they want my money or my participation, then they must make the correct decisions. Would you really by a Yugo car?
how does mozilla make money, if they are not selling our data, etc?
Google
like many browsers, they strikes deals for default search engines, default shortcuts, and sponsored news stories
Google pays Firefox to be the default search engine. Multiple companies pay Firefox to be a default shortcut/bookmark. Sponsored articles can show up on a New Tab, if you don't turn off that option
Mozilla also offers subscription services like a VPN, Email Relay, etc
Many believe it comes from Google
Search for the article
(Firefox Money: Investigating the bizarre finances of Mozilla)
@@lussor1 if u don't have an answer...then don't answer 🤡
@@lussor1 L
They were fine where they were and yes they did listen to us
What happened to Brave?
They're still around? I use them too!
Netscape FTW!
FAANG:
people: here is our data and soal
Mozilla: exist...
people: i take that personally
We made them custodians of our interests. They (Mozilla) aren’t our benefactors. Stop acting like an abused spouse.
Hey Henry, awesome video. Mic quality could be a little bit better next time.
The only question is: are they are going more woke or less woke?
more woke considering their paycheck is coming from google
lets see for how long google will keep this dead fox running
don't you think that the layoffs could be due to them using more AI for programming, among other things
You are overestimating the current usefulness of AI
Fair comment Henry. I'm using Firefox native. I sincerely hope they still keep up it's dev.
I already didn't really like some of the things they changed, as they shifted to a less pro consumer approach ages ago, I'm kinda worried about these changes. I really hope they won't just become like every other browser, because at that point there would actually be no alternative to chromium, unless we count Safari as an option.
Massive layoffs of one the most intelligent group of peoples in society.... I mean what could go wrong lol
Be loyal to nothing. Use what's best for you at the time, all the time. If what you're using changes direction mid-stream and knocks you for a loop, dump 'em. We're not in 1998. There's 15 competitors for every thing trying to please you.
Believing that "we want you to be something else" is different from "we don't like what you are" is a quick path to divorce, btw. These are the same thing. Believing they are different will lead you into much wasted time and effort and life.
There is Chromium and Firefox. Good luck finding any usable alternatives as browser base
Lol bad audio.. noob
;)
hey Henry, the quality ist the best but the message is top. better lighting for the next would be great for the future
If you are able to find Steve Job’s lost interview, he explains what happens to tech companies that stop focusing on innovation and focus on increasing profits for stakeholders.
Those companies don’t last long
If one end of an ethics/ideals spectrum disappears, then the whole of an issue like this can change for the worse. Mozilla represents a symbol for a higher ideal. But not only that, they have clearly state goals to be more idealistic. Naturally they are a symbol and a target. I don't know what that means about what they're doing, but one would hope they are still striving to come closer to that.
It's very frustrating to see how lost they are when they keep on shifting and losing focus on any particular thing - and never getting very far with their goals. wtf mozilla. Now AI? How is that social purpose I wonder. An AI that personalized and democratized learning would be good. But aren't they just knowingly biting off more than they can chew again?
P.S. Very very interested to see how Servo develops. It seems like its goal is to become a more modular engine that can be used in many different browsers. This is another area where Firefox made it difficult.
Original CEO best CEO.
their original ceo is now ceo of brave
Is it transitory
Laura Chambers damaged ebay.
1. Audio is fine.
2. Great takes, you've grown and you're open about it.
3. Just another company laying off 60 people, not too big of a deal.
4. none of my friends even know what "Mozilla" is.
5. I'm a tech dweeb myself a bit and I don't care to use Firefox, it's just meh; even if they do a rewrite/upgrade I'm still going to NOT use.
Mozilla is literally worse than Google, why are you still kicking this dead horese?