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Hello guys and gals, it's me Mutahar again! This time I deleted and destroyed my system just to rebuild it from the ground up and to teach you how to install what many fedora-tippers call the "hardest system" known as Arch Linux. Check out the install guide here and have a great day! Thanks for watching!
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I felt a great disturbance in the force, as if millions of Windows installations were incorrectly selected and were suddenly wiped
I wiped out windows 10 cause system update. It was outdated. So the system update would stop at 95% every time. I donwloaded Linux mint. The battry life on my surface pro 3 has improved and never once experienced any heat or fan noise
Windows on my laptop doing updates that took a day to complete, and effing terraria crashing the whole system during the online school drove me insane, that was the main reason I switched
Oh, you think that's bad?
If you have a Samsung NVME, for the love of GOD, update your SSD firmware with Samsung Magician or the executable USB version.
The firmware bricks the SSD into Read-Only Mode.
Applies to both the 980 Pro and the 990 drives.
I'm currently having to use a 250GB SATA SSD because my 1TB did that thing that Jeffrey Epstein didn't do.
Unplugged my windows hard drive while installing linux. Win is save, but Grub did not like that.
That's my origin story, back in 2007 circa Debian.
Literally just installed Linux From Scratch on my university laptop today and spent 3 hours trying to get my wifi adapter to work. Can confirm that being waterboarded is a nicer way to spend your evening.
@@giusdbg That's true. I probably would have given up an done that at some point but I figured out that I had to download additional firmware AND a kernel module I needed was disabled.
I've just installed Mint and thankfully everything just worked out of the box on my laptop. I've had a number of issues getting things set up the way I want tho, it's so much easier on Windows.
@@rupe82 True, what you can do on Windows can be done rather easily and it's very well supported, but sadly the things you can do are very limited. A good Linux distro is a big help since those usually have great support, too, though sometimes you gotta figure it out yourself.
Wifi is the number 1 problem in any Linux system. Big wifi chips companies write their firmware exclusively for Windows and they're trying to encrypt it as much as possible so some chips require basically hacking into the hardware
are you using a broadcom wifi chipset by any chance?
Over 100 forum posts, about 2 pdf guides on Linux, 10 different wikis dedicated to aspects of linux codes, partitioning, understanding hard drives, I spent 1 whole day trying to figure out how to properly setup a hard drive for Arch Linux and could not understand what the fuck I was doing wrong and Mudahar swoops into my recommended videos summing up the issue I was having so simply that I actually managed to setup my hard drives and get my arch system to install, and from someone I would never have expected to have been taught this from. Dude you are my hero for making this more understandable then like 90% of the people I was trying to get answers from. Seriously. Thank you.
just use windows, linux will break sometimes, why make it hard yourself?
@@hanhthien2948 because Im a curious, angry, stubborn, imaginative person that likes to believe there's better alternatives to things I'm growing increasing disinterested in and thus willing to experiment and deal with the headaches to achieve that, while getting excitement from troubleshooting, learning, and adapting to new things involving my hobby?
@@MrVIB113 what u dislike about windows? Or u just install Arch and then say 'I use Arch btw' like those tough guys on reddit?
@@hanhthien2948
Alright embrace yourself for the TLDR if you're really curious.
Do you eat the same thing every single day? Do you never think about taking another route to work if you know it can save you time? Do you play the same game endlessly without trying out different titles even when you're board of playing the same game? Do you complain about how slow your Internet is, or how expensive your insurance is but do nothing to look for other options?
It's simple man. There's 2 elements here. I like trying new things, more so if it's related to a hobby I'm deeply passionate about such as computers. I've never used Linux before. I only started using Linux because that's what the Steam Deck uses, the Steam Deck also uses Arch. So if you put 2 and 2 together. My interest stemmed from me having exposure to Arch, and spending almost a year with it to the point where I'm comfortable with it. Installing it raw and memorizing all the kernel stuff? Yeah that is new to me. But hey. I've already invested a lot of time into just learning to navigate it on my Steam Deck. Understanding how to set it up. Install stuff, etc. That was enough to convince me I could learn it. So I became convicted to learn.
You wanna talk about something complex?
I wanted to get into 3D modeling. One day I said fuck it and started learning how to use Blender. I spent almost a year learning it. How I know how to use Blender.
Wanna go further? I learned enough with C++ within 4 months so I could make a mod to a video game Left 4 Dead 2 to understand scripting to add stuff to the game that I wanted to add.
Then the next thing with the Arch comment?
You're treating me learning Arch like I'm magically a neck beard loyalist that everyone memes about where I swear by Arch and it's suddenly my god or something.. I've only spent like a year with it through Steam OS. Nah bro I just like learning stuff. I will dedicate a lot of time learning shit, and trial and erroring stuff cuz it's fun for me. Some people are like that with cars. Others with Psychology. For me it's computers and software. As long as I have the motivation I will learn.
Then regarding my disinterest in Windows. Understand. With my love for Tech. I've been using Windows since 2000. Windows is really all I've used until now. Just like with those examples I gave at the start of this? You just get board of things over time. If you really care about your hobby. You branch out. Try new things. I wanted to learn Arch because again. I was already exposed to it and having that experience just made sense to go with it over other distributions, and ya know even if it was Mint, Ubuntu, or ChromeOS, all of them would have done what learning Arch so far has done and that's just make using an operating system feel fresh and new. Sure Linux is fairly similar to Windows anyway especially if you're using something like KDE but setting everything up, learning how installing things works, setting up drivers and security, optimizing my setup. Just made using my system feel more exciting because it was all new to me again.
@@MrVIB113 if you like tinkering with your computer and desire for new things try gentoo. its a distro where u compile everything from source, usually very fast but its not super rolling and bleeding edge like arch, there is a stable and unstable branch. useflags allow u to switch inits fairly easily, it supports musl instead of glibc!
Literally tried my first Arch Install a hour before this vid went up and couldn't do it, Praise be to the almighty Indian Tec support
I would recommend looking over the installation guide on the Arch Wiki too before an install. It seems daunting at first, but if you have an understanding of what's happening when you're installing Arch it's a lot easier to solve potential problems down the line.
just use the archinstall script that comes with the ISO
how do u fail bro the wiki tells you exactly what to do
@@kayweelmaooo exactly
Indian guys on RUclips can teach atomic brain chemistry and turn it into a simple process that a kindergartner could understand
No matter what video mutahar makes, he's still one of the happiest people on RUclips
hes like a little boy sometimes xD
FR - his happiness is contagious
Thats what makes him the best youtuber. Dude could literally be talking about a mass murder and hed still have that huge manic grin
@@kenzie4217 Exactly.
the only time i see mutahar really really pissed off, is when it is something crappy related to the shenanigans of gaming companies or worse - creeps online that he covers.
This is one of the best Linux videos I've seen. As someone who has used Windows almost exclusively for the past 25 years, one of the things holding me back was just not knowing how stuff worked in Linux. If I were to go down the road of moving to Linux, I'd probably end up doing this myself. Not necessarily as a daily driver, but to get an understanding of the components and commands and how to gel everything together into something usable.
I switched to Manjaro with KDE fully just before 11 released. Nowadays I can run anything for Windows minus AntiCheat software. Otherwise it's a seamless experience. I recommend Manjaro specifically because of the Arch based nature having the ability to use Pamac and the AUR it's extremely useful.
The days of needing to be a coder to use Linux are long gone. This is definitely neat but extremely unnecessary in 2023
If you use linux mint, ubuntu, manjaro, pop_OS! any of the desktop friendly linux distros, you will not have to go through all of this, they all have easy to use installers now.
Even then it does need minimum knowledge, as majority of functions involve using a terminal, which windows users tend to be afraid of "cmdphobia" like thing. @@antikz3731
Bit late to the party, but honestly as someone who uses both all the time, I'd say the best thing to do is either run it in virtualbox or make a bootable USB (persistent). This will let you play around in a non-committal fashion (and experiment with what you like). Linux isn't for everyone, and I say that as someone who would pitch my windows install in a dumpster the moment I could game without pulling teeth on Linux. But you can really learn a lot before going full dive just by messing around in a virtual machine or usb install.
play around in a vm first, and arch can be easily installed now through either endeavouros or archinstall
love you muta. as a burnt out sw engineer, I miss this shit. glad you can make a good living doing this and not having to rot your brain in a cubicle. you are great at explaining shit like this while being informative and entertaining at the same time. keep it up big dog
He should install LFS and make his own distro. I would definitely run MudaOS on my main PC
Facts, the comedic relief is relevant and the timing is Gold
As a machinist I love code but goddam I can't focus on it unless I'm getting paid
He also works IRL at a job with something to do with tech! So homie making decent money while using RUclips as a hobby that he truly enjoys!
@@Boatloadacoffee yep this is pretty much accurate. A day in the life of a Linux sysadmin.
For a Second I thought Muta was gonna install Linux from Scratch
The only youtuber who I know did that was brodie roberson. He did it live on a series of streams. I can't even imagine how much mental damage that did to him...
@@veco311he started doing from reviews and configure software to "Real News and Reaction in Linux Foundation"
I expected Gentoo, I don't think he's insane enough for LFS yet.
Clearly it's time to learn NixOS and the Nix language.
@@Shubadus I gotta be honest, that's one of the next distros I'm gonna install
As a gentoo user your title makes me laugh.
Kudos to you my guy, i could never
Gentoo users represent!
The title is technically correct, as you are stronger than mere man
20 years with Gentoo, and never a problem :)
lets go elitism
Arch Linux users are like Tesla drivers… they’ll make it their whole personality
Muta owns a Tesla too I think
Or at least driven one a month ago
i use it on steam deck and have no idea what I'm doing 90% of the time
That's why I use EndevourOS. Because I don't know what im doing and it takes a lot of guesswork out
As a Steam Deck owner I'm technically an Arch user. I wish I understood it better lol.
I agree that both groups are annoying. But at least arch users dont defend slavery like Elon cockriders do
I’d consider gentoo to be a little bit more complicated but the setup can definitely be similar. Main differences is you get to mess with the actual kernel and set flags for your system whereas arch build process is already “preconfigured”
Yeh in my experience Gentoo is a bigger pain. I've installed both Arch and Gentoo and Gentoo was by far worse.
I’ve done the arch install method, with the script and stuff. Ended up not liking arch cuz I’m not used to pac man and shite. Was wondering if gentoo would let me build out something with all of the “features” I want.
@@The_Last_Question if you didn’t like Pac-Man, you won’t like emerge!
@@CallMeCOM portage*
I’ve used both and Gentoo has been much more stable in my experience. Install isn’t too hard either, just lots of reading
This is one of the most comprehensive Linux install videos I've ever seen. I've got experience with it, but I usually screw something up using it and go back to Winblows. I like how you broke the CLI bits down.
I'm stoked to see more linux content from you muta, it would be cool to see more on how you configure your environment (VMs, containers, etc)
i use arch btw
@@sk3l3tor416 what DE do you use? I personally use both xcfe4 and KDE plasma
@@WSH3TM xfce low specs and kde should be default at this point, flexible af
@@WSH3TM i use artix linux w/ openbox and on a diff pc artix with i3
@@drinkintea1572agreed. Personally I like KDE plasma better its so much better with zsh
My desktop runs Gentoo Linux and I just installed Arch on my laptop. Both groups have fantastic in depth install guides. They're fun projects if you're willing to devote the time. And the only difficult part of Gentoo is researching hardware components and drivers you'll need to build into your kernel (optional).
Dumb question... but was Gentoo worth it? Any issues with using it as a daily driver?
@@adam7802 Gentoo is meant to be used by those who want to build system for themselves from scratch from nothing. So yes you can daily drive it as long as you put the time into it and build it to be system that you want.
@@wekkimeif7720 I know what it is... I just wanted to hear someone's experience of actually using it.
No, you're talking about linux from scratch. Gentoo isn't even that difficult to install it just takes time because it compiles everything that is all. Granted there are some specific applications like qtwebengine, firefox, rust, etc which can take a lot of time thats why theres binary files for it too.
Also, gentoo handbook is way easier to follow compared to arch installation guide. The only thing I don't like about gentoo handbook is that it gives warning after the actual commands so if you have already ran the command and read warning later you're fucked(kind of but not really)
@@adam7802 I am using it on my work laptop, server and desktop. No issues: community is great, docs are fine. Most problems I have had is when I was setting up my hybrid laptop nvidia/discrete, but it is not Gentoo's fault...I really love it and use it for years
you sure make "the hardest system known to man" seem really simple i followed your video step by step and got it working in an hour, props to you mutahar!
The way Muta explains things makes it so easy to understand what is going on. I have only used linux for a couple of weeks, but this video helped me with installing arch linux with a basic understanding of it all
45 minutes of saying "I use Arch btw" over and over again. Muta, you outdid yourself this time!
Thanks for the guide Mutahar, this was my favourite one. You have a bright soul within you and it shows.
i didn't expect the "hardest" system to be arch lol
It's just a meme bro
Honestly it's expecting gentoo
i thought it would be gentoo honestly
I thought it would be Linux from scratch
Surprised people are saying this. I was about to reinstall Arch today and was surprised by this video *actually* being about Arch. Was expecting templeOS or something truly obscure.
Arch is more of a pain than Mint or Ubuntu but yeah it's not really super difficult once you already know Linux a bit. It's clear Muta was making a meme.
16:45 - What Muta does here is called a partial upgrade, a state where the database and certain packages are out of sync with the rest of the system. This can break packages that were built with older/newer dependencies. Make sure the system is up-to-date before installing things, especially if you're on a live ISO.
I tried to pacman -Syu on the live USB, but it says that the partition is too full for the upgrade. Should I just do what Muta does here because it's only for the live USB?
@@mind_11 For bash scripts like rankmirrors, that should be fine. However, the live system seems to come with reflector, which does more or less the same thing. Just be sure to read the man page or --help option.
@@mind_11 the live USB dosent really matter, its just a bad idea to do -Sy without -Syu once its installed
basically -Sy will update the lists of available packages while -Syu will update the lists and the installed packages
if you update the lists but not the system then you try to install something, the package you installed might require a feature in another package thats already on your system but it wont work because the package on your system is too old to have that feature. This can be fixed by just running -Syu and updating the system which will bring that package up to the newest version with the features required by other packages. This is because arch is a "rolling release" distro, this is where you always get the very latest packages, its not always the most stable but it means you get features earlier than those ubuntu plebs (please dont install ubuntu).
when you try to do -Syu on the USB you are trying to update the packages on the USB, this wont work though as there isnt enough space on a tiny little USB stick. The purpose of the USB is to contain the tools needed to install the OS, it dosent really matter what version they are as long as they are all compatible.
also quick tip: always look at the news on the arch website before updating, occasionally they will release instructions on what you need to do before updating (one recent example is they recently moved to git so everyone had to change the repos in their pacman config).
@@facespkz_osu Yeah, the install guide also recommends to run reflector on the live system because pacstrap copies the mirror list from it
As far as I have been able to tell so far, doing -Sy initially when you're in the iso environment is perfectly fine. Just to be safe anytime I had to pacman I just would do -Sy each time whether or not it was necessary. It was only once I actually had finished, and then rebooted into the actual install, did I then run -Syu as the first thing. No issues as of yet.
I didn't realise resetting your OS can turn into an entire Sunday project......
To be fair, the second time is only a matter of an hour or so, if you bring your config files from the first time you set everything up.
I usually use the command archinstall which helps to install Arch much faster, but it's still nice to see it installed manually
i prefer manual install, more stuff to configure
@@v0xl personally I like installing it in the dark, blind folded and drunk. Cause this is too simple. lmao.
I installed arch twice (PC and Laptop) manually, It was not a challenge at all, the guide is pretty good. Since then I only use archinstall since I value my time somewhat.
archinstall tends to fail if the drive is detected as mmcblk instead of sda/sdb. Manual installs on Chromebooks are a pain. 😅
I personally prefer installing Windows because I like my computer to just work without it being a full time job.
Oh, I read the title and thought it was Gentoo. It makes Arch look like a walk in the park
You actually make this not so bad. I use the the install script but for most of the setup I'm familiar with since I tinker with my system a bit. The only new things are setting up the bootloader and locale. Setting up partitions is always tedious for me especially since I use BTRFS. But understanding what each step does drastically reduces the level of intimidation that newbies would feel. Also..."zorg" lol
@giusdbg Yeah I messed with the grub console as an emergency shell before. Nowadays, if I get boot issues due to misconfig of my partitions I just boot up an arch iso live environment that I have in a usb and fix the fstab entries. Also, since I use btrfs I can always restore a snapshot from a backup hard drive but I'm guessing maybe grub has access to the btrfs utilities? not sure but either way, i think i have somewhat a robust setup. my only issue is that since i use btrfs subvolumes to separate root from home rather than partitions, i can't encrypt my home directory as far as I've read. hopefully btrfs brings that feature in the future
Do you have suggestions for essential device drivers? I use the archinstall script with bspwm and I don't have essential services like USB mounting, battery indicator, audio, etc.
@@zeph8620
Not him and a bit late but you can check Archwiki and just search those things there, there's whole sections with the most common choices and their pros/cons...
Muta got me into linux. Now its been 1 year since the shift and I've tried numerous distros, hopping from one to the next. Finally settled on vanilla arch. What a journey it has been. I'm glad i found out about this community.
I stopped with feren OS. It just had everything i nreded out of the box. Driver manager, scanner, pdf reader, libre office...
I finally got a duel boot of tiny11 and Ubuntu running. I installed it like last Friday. Hope I can stick with Linux and not fuck it up like my last 2 attempts lol
If you were not into Linux before, what made you stay with such an advanced distro? I hopped a bit as well but stayed with Ubuntu just because I had not been able to brake it, unlike other distros somehow.
If instead of focusing on distros - try focusing on Package Managers and Repositories. From that angle, Linux becomes ridiculously easy to sort out.
There are only 6 surviving original distros from way back. Each one has its own unique package manager and Repositories - that have their own custom way of forming commands to get things done. Here are the original distros - Slackware, Debian, Redhat, Suse (pronounced "Su - sah) , Arch, and Gentoo. You'll discover that about 95% of the time you see a "new" Linux distro" "OMG - ooooh wow" - it uses the same Package Manager and Repositories as one the 6 originals. All they did was put a different window dressing on it and maybe they added an extra new Repository just for that new distro. Oh and a word of warning - you know the part about typing a bunch of programs after each other - after the "-S" - well if anyone one of those programs is not in the repository you're pulling from, you just wasted your time typing. The system will cancel out all the ones that you wanted. Instead just make a list of the ones you want and type them in one at a time after the "-S" and hit enter.
I admire both you and Muta for your dedication to the open source community. Have fun!
Try Gentoo (less so because its more time consuming than difficult) or even LFS!
LFS was a great time waster while I was in hospital recovering from a pulmonary embolism. At the end of those three weeks I had a rudimentary understanding of how and why PCs work, and literally no clue why my laptop wasn't booting up no matter what I did. After LFS, even Gentoo feels like you're installing your system with safety wheels on. And installing Arch by hand is just Gentoo without waiting two days to compile firefox, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
back in the day I compiled LFS on P3 in 64 mb of ram. For some reason, I don't remember it as a particularly long process. But it was a long time ago and those days I did stuff like compiling gentoo packages after scraping for internet traffic to download the source
Archinstall script: Exists
Muta: I'm Gonna Pretend I Didn't See That
Trimming "hardest" installation below 5 minutes would diminish the legendary status of arch difficulty, Muta can't afford such rookie mistakes. Next part will be installing AUR packages with git clone & makepkg because using yay is non canon.
I don't think the Arch install script is great for beginners because you'll have no idea where to start when solving an issue. It is good for saving time when you already know what you're doing.
@@ptomalakarchinstall is the only reason I even got it to work on my computer without pulling my hair out on trying to learn how to configure it to my exact preferences back then. Great starting point for amateur Linux users (i.e. those with at least some knowledge on disk partitions, file systems, etc.) who don't want to be inconvenienced with going the extra mile of tinkering their Linux system by hand.
I think it might even help them eventually learn the "difficult" Arch installation method later when they get the motivation to dedicate their time on it, especially since some of those people may want to learn more about operating their Arch system.
@@ptomalak trust me man, you don't want to just install shit from the aur like that. the package quality is all over the place.
To save your fingers instead of having to type `clear` every time you need to do that press `Ctrl+lowercase L`. Can also press `Ctrl+d` to do the same thing as `exit` if it's a blank line.
lol this channel actually taught me how to install arch from scratch. Been rocking with it since. Loving the freedom and control that comes with this flavor of Linux.
Also ludicrously stable coming from Manjaro.
I installed Arch a while back as a second OS on my system, quite a fun exercise !
Would be nice if you could dive in and show us how you set up your windows VMs for gaming and such under Arch :)
Just use arch as a headless hypervisor system and have your vms use qemu and have two GPUs for external outputs through vfio.
Then just VM manjaro and windows and live a happy life.
@@BAGG8BAGG i run manjaro on my laptop but honestly i probably wouldnt do it again. it's not a bad distro but it doesn't really give you much beyond what you get from regular arch.
@@user-lk2vo8fo2qit's basically user friendly arch
@@BAGG8BAGGif you're basically never going to be interacting with your bare metal OS pick something more stable than arch, like debian or Ubuntu, less hassle that way
he did. Video is something like building poor shamed computer
Glad you covered this. I've given you a hard time in superchats, but your level-headed authenticity is well applied to a story like this. Cheers, Crag!
blkid can be handy to identify disks as it shows you the Partition names and UUID's as well
Also: as long as you are in the installer you can omit sudo as you are root the whole time, until you create a user
You missed a trigger in the mkinitcpio, the initram has to be rebuilt on kernel and on nvidia updates if you have the modules in there, but it should be usable with only the kernel parameter
i use arch btw
Lsblk can show all of that information as well
@@sk3l3tor416lol
I thought this was going to be about that one distro that wipes your system if you mistype a command, I find that one to be really amusing. I really like the freedom of use-flags :) with most asus boards f8 also brings up the boot menu directly too!
I known, right?
😂 this was a great start to my Saturday... thanks brother...I've been noobin' around in tiny core....debian...and now we go for arch 😅...LFS omg I'm stuck in the middle of currently trying to learn some assembly language...😊....actually having fun is so critical...love your energy...🙌🏽💗
Arch is simple. Will give a Thumbs up for installing Linux From Scratch.
Agreed
Thanks Muta! I wanted to ditch Manjaro, but wantrd to stay on Arch; this was a huge help.
Also your content was the final push to get me to dump Windows in the first place.
Linux Mint so far has also been a fun and infuriating experience. Just trying to make 50.10 dwarf fortress working, I learned a lot from 2005 forums, 2015 reddit chats and I got it working after I accidentally stumbled on 8min video from an Indian who told me how to install git. Then I got the missing package. After that I used to commands to run the game and it was euphoric. For a second I thought I lost my virginity but I think I just became a turbo virgin.
Linux has been one of the most fun projects I have picked up. Would recommend.
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@@johndor7793 it's pretty fun to use an operating system where you have more control over your computer. Obviously having more control means more responsibility, so make sure you know what you're doing before you use it on a system with more sensitive information.
Imagine being a parent and instead of grounding your kid or whatever the punishment you use is taking away their windows install and making them use linux if they want to be aloud to use the computer. That would be pretty messed up 😂 untill the kid becomes a hacking wizard and uses the skills to get you back
Wild idea but at the same time would be a great skill to learn
I'm new to Linux and this is by far one of the most informative and entertaining videos I have seen .
Gentoo is definitely harder Muta. It took me over a week after 4 attempts to build the base system and compile the kernel and user-land tools. No binaries over here my friend. We emerge (Portage) everything from source.
He says Gentoo is harder, he's just memeing in the beginning
Gentoo users, unite!
(Also I know Muta was meme-ing hence why my comment -- in a different thread, directly under the vid -- ended with a meme as well 😊)
This man can turn anything into an entertaining experience. I suddenly feel the urge to wipe all of my machines and put Arch on them. Awesome video! It's instructive and entertaining, though I'm not sure it'll convert any Windows users to Arch.
I've been hopping back and forth, but the last thing holding me back is running on Linux now so I'm going back to it permanently now I think.
Just wait until they figure out how to passthrough a GPU into a Windows 10 VM... jk, but to be honest. if you just browse the internet, do Office work or watch RUclips, any OS will do. It's only for gaming, which requires Windows.
I've had passing, intermittent flings with Ubuntu, and I am aware of "the Arch Crowd." So, when I saw "Hardest system to man!" I was expecting Gentoo, or Linux from Scratch. Regardless, I am happy to see other people branching into the Linux ecosystems to that more market share pressure helps develop support for the different variants.
> "The Hardest System Known to Man"
> Even talks about Gentoo and LFS
> Installs Arch
We got mega clickbaited, bro.
Been mostly using Linux Mint since 2008, it's nice and middle of the road, just doing the jobs required of it. 🙂
When starting my 3 year apprenticeship in germany for systems integration, installing Gentoo was my first task. It's been the first to-do for any new employee, regardless if they have experience with linux or none at all.
Since you're in Germany, did you encounter many systems running SUSE Linux during your apprenticeship?
@@SIackwareOnly older systems. We currently have about 20 in use, which we will replace in the next few months, either with debian or a Rhel fork like Rocky Linux
hi bro can we talk about the apprenticeship
@@barskaracadag3923 what you need to know
Based.
Title should have been "I installed arch in the hardest way known to man" 😜. Arch has its own install script that does most of the part. The video is great for people who still wants to know what happens under the hood 👍👍
The arch install script is bad and unreliable, when i run it it just gives me python errors and when using it on another computer it just works. soo some people just dont have a choice ...
Please place /swap at the beginning of the drive if you are using an SSD. This ensures trim will not destroy /tmp. Ext4 filesystems rarely need trimming but there is the potential this could happen.
/swap should go at the end of mechanical hard disks. This is because of the natural movement of the drive spindle. The drive has to break less to reverse direction when swap is at the end of the disk. This increases the life of mechanical hard drives to think about where physically on the disk partitions are located.
You dont think this matters, but proper alignment choices can/will prolong the life of mechanical drives. Make this is a general best practice to add a few months to your drive's expected life.
??? How does TRIM causes problems with /tmp ???
Besides, why not use tmpfs for /tmp?
Been wanting to get into Linux stuff for a while so this was a super fun watch. I really enjoy the Linux related content on this channel.
Amazing! Well done video. So far the best one I have seen. Great job man!
that stream where muta installs arch has actually been my go to guide for years glad we get an update lol
I just used the arch wiki when installing arch I'm surprised not everyone uses it
@@mrbanana6464 People don't bother doing their own research most of the time.
@@mrbanana6464people have terrible reading comprehension and it flies right over their head 😂
@@animeloveer97 well i am functionally illiterate but still pretty good at talking just ask ur mom she had a lot to say last night
@@animeloveer97 tbf though the installation guide is probably the least accessible for a beginner due to the branching of information and how easy it is to skip something you thought was optional or missed because you were only skimming the guide.
I used to daily drive Arch, probably by far one of my favourite distros, I like the control over your system it gives you, and it how quickly packages get updated, but that is also the reason, I ended moving away from arch, newer packagers means great new features sooner but also bugs as well, and sure for the most part if your system gets to point it wont boot, you can use your install media to chroot in to your system and fix it, but some point you just need to get work done and instead you having to figure what package broke your system, or maybe system does boot, but after been using it for while, you find all ram is in use, and you got figure what it using it all. Just something to consider before making arch you main system.
I’ve used Garuda Linux(arch based distro) quite a bit and really loved it! It’s great, especially if you need the latest linux kernel and software because your hardware is quite new.
But for the reasons you listed in your post is why, for ages, my favorite Linux distro has been Debian. Especially Debian “Testing” because “Stable” is so old/outdated. But when running “Testing”, it is quite a bit like running a rolling release distro, such as Arch. However, it not quite so bad because the packages are not as bleeding edge as Arch or Debian “Unstable”, and the packages are in “Testing” because they have gotten through Debian’s “critical bugs” phase while they were in the “Unstable” branch.
There are always trade-offs to running stable vs. bleeding-edge. I usually run Debian Testing because it’s a nice in-between for me. It also requires the occasional reinstall. Just seems that there’s a need for it considerably less frequently than when using a “bleeding-edge” distro.
With that said, when my laptop was brand new I used Garuda on it for a year, without much issue at all. It was after that first year that I started having a couple of worrisome issues, and then I switched back to Debian Testing. 🙂
In the end I love both of them. But for reasons, Debian is my favorite.
Wisdom from an old guy: too much of my precious life was wasted with my head under the hood! Wish I could reclaim the hours wasted on Arch to have spent it with my children. If you have a job to do, get a stable Debian-based distro, do your job and get a life. I use MX Linux KDE and LMDE6. Both stable and predictable, reliable and trustworthy. Dependable. I have time now for golden sunsets from the world-renowned beach 295 metres from my home office.
I'd recommend anyone installing arch use a swap file instead of a swap partition, it makes things easier to change later, you can shrink it, and expand it as needed unlike a partition. Instead of a partition or portion of your disk being used as swap space, you'll use a file inside the main partition stored wherever you'd like giving you much more versatility. It'll require a little more jumping around the arch official install guide instead of following it exactly, but it makes it easier to maintain later if needed, for example if you upgrade or maybe even install less ram. The general rule of thumb is to make your swap space 2x the amount of your ram, but I'd you're starved for disk space or have a ridiculous amount of ram, you can use 1.5x or if you're super desperate or have like 128-256gb of ram, just 1x, for 256gb I might even use 0.5x because you'd be using a quarter of your disk as swap.
Got a good resource on how I'd set that up with hibernation?
I usually omit swap these days, and use zram if i can.
@KingKrouch honestly, I've never thought of that, I always just turn my computer off fully because ssd boot times are near instant, and I used to run LUKs encryption, so a full shut off is the only safe way to leave a computer, I'd imagine you'd need a swap file bigger than your ram size, so you'd want to stick to 1.5x for it to work reliably
@TheOriginalEvanium it's doable if you have enough ram, I was trying to install arch on a PC with 4gb of ram as a plex server (I think it was, it's been a while), and pacstrap would just fail the install saying that it ran out of memory, I thought it was stupid, but adding even just a 2gb swap file got it to finish the install, I'm not sure if that was exactly the issue or not, but it fixed it
i recommend anyone to not use linux and instead use windows.
muta, this is like the perfect tutorial for someone that's familiar with DOS and windows systems and wants to learn Linux. You move at the perfect pace and don't spend forever going over details that don't matter. I'm a field technician and this is super helpful helping me work on equipment in the field and bypass helpdesk- thanks a ton!
I was once a Arch Linux user in my life. It felt cool until I had pacman dependency issues, got random errors I didn't know how to solve, and wasted hours researching the wiki to solve or install something so basic that I didn't know that I needed to install. I now use Manjaro, just makes my life way easier.
"I was once an Arch user, but now I use Arch" - this guy
@@glebglubsome people might debate whether Manjaro is an Arch
@@dhupee and they'd be wrong: it's just pre-configured and pre-packaged; a Mercedes is a Mercedes, it doesn't matter if you got it fully assembled from a dealership or built the body and engine yourself using Mercedes parts, the end result is the same, just with DIY you can decide to use different gauge wire, silicon vs rubber o-rings/gaskets, a different battery, non-stock paint, a 6-point harness etc.(of course all of which you can replace after buying from the dealership, once you're comfortable and gained the knowledge on how to do so)
I think you could technically get the apt package manager to work in arch (you could technically get packages from deb archives) but I don't think you're supposed to do that. (it's definitely not recommended by the arch devs)
@@glebglub mostly the main part of the debate is the pacman holding up but I get what you are saying, prepackaged or DIY
Just a tip since I noticed you doing `clear` a couple times: you can just CTRL + L instead to clear faster.
That works unless you use vi keybinds in the shell
@@tylerdean980 OOF. It also still lets you scroll up to old messages which might not be desired, but it's usually way easier than typing `clear` for most purposes so yea.
Thanks Muta. I managed to get arch successfuly installed and running in a qemu vm yesterday following this vm. Course I immediately screwed it up trying to get audio over xrdp working.. But Now I can refollow this a lot faster this time around. I was impressed both by how much of this I didn't know, and in some ways how much I did.
Arch is a great intermediate tinkerer's OS, if I weren't already so tired from my day job it's probably what I'd rock for the next year or so. But I've got too little time for this so I just slap Debian Stable on everything and call it a day, the thing needs basically zero maintenance.
But at the cost of ancient packages and approx-never releases ... Don't get me wrong, sometimes that's a feature ... I run both Arch and Deb ... for very diff purposes. Porque no los dos!?
i don't have linux, i don't plan on installing any linux distro, but muta is so entertaining that i decided to watch the whole thing anyways
Arch: Ima high cred install!
Gentoo: Hold my beer.
Can't tell if Muta is pronouncing Xorg as "zorg" as a bit or if that's actually a thing. Either way I support it
X in English is sometimes pronounced as Z for some reason. Anxiety for example is often pronounced anziety
@@juannaym8488
I'd say it's more of a zee sound smashed up the ass end of an ing sound.
Like "ngzuh"..
@@juannaym8488 Better example is the first X in Xerox.
@@kasuraga Or the classic in all ABC books for some reason, Xylophone.
I remember him first saying "graphic" card rather than "graphics" card back in the day which threw me off a bit ngl. Now it's "Zorg" lol. Maybe muta is one of those ppl hoping for X12 and Zorg is the successor of Xorg
I'm slowly moving from ubuntu onto arch, mostly because my system was already super customized and ubuntu/apt are getting in my way too much and I know pacman has everything up to date and is fast. I wrote my own configs for awesomewm, picom, neovim, all the ricing and etc but not everything is working properly yet because turns out there are a lot of software I didn't knew about that comes pre-packaged with Gnome and other DEs that I didn't give too much consideration into. I'll get there eventually, doing everything by hand is hard but at least I'm learning a lot.
Good for you. If anything, Arch gives you the opportunity to learn, so if you have the interest (and sometimes patience), it's a really nice distro, especially when you set up your own environment like you've done. I haven't tried awesomewm myself because I'm happy with xmonad :)
This man sounds like a wizard.
Friendly note: if, for any reason, your pacstrap installation fails due to a PGP-trust issue, run "sudo pacman -S archlinux-keyring" first, then repeat the pacstrap command (44:55)
No shit i just finished installing arch like 15 minutes ago. Imagine my surprise when I open up youtube to relax after two hours of this shit just to see that Muta posted a tutorial 2 minutes ago XD
When you said hardest I was expecting you to perform the ancient rite of *Install Gentoo*
I've installed Arch a few times before, I'd say it's less that it's Hard, more that it's just quite manual, though thankfully it does have a package manager and it can bootstrap your install. Honestly, all you'd need is a small installation script, and it could be made almost as easy as your average distro.
I have to come back and thank you immensely for this video. It helped me a ton even though the first time I saw it I didn't think much of it
I used to use an arch based system, however I switched back to Mint, and with Distrobox I can just get all of the aur packages I need in a much more stable environment (I know it’s not the same but it’s good enough for me)
Personally, I'd opt for a swap file instead of a partition. Still, good video.
@@LiveTypeI mean a ton of people do though. Not everyone can afford to upgrade and is why some get Linux in the first place, as they have older pcs
@@animeloveer97SSDs -- as long you don't go for the highest performing ones -- are very inexpensive nowadays. And more reliable as well.
The HDD can still be used to store data, or made into an external storage, again with inexpensive adapters.
I've always found the notion that linux is somehow gatekeep-y to be absurdly stupid, because the sheer volume of documentation and step-by-step guides on how to install stuff, along with additional installers and scripts to streamline the process or add custom UI, is absurd. There is more handholding developed by the community than anything else you can think of. People supposedly doing the gatekeeping are making lengthy guides on how to get into it. That's the opposite of gatekeeping.
I loved my experience installing Arch. I have it dual booting on my main PC
taught me a lot about how operating systems work. also reminds me I need to write a helper function to configure my wireless cuz I still have to do it manually every time I connect to a new network
Use a frontend, e.g. iwgtk
So glad LFS got a mention, done it a few times and had a blast. I once did it on a sparcstation 5, took like a week to compile gcc. ;)
I have a minor addition, because I think you accidentally said hibernation when you were talking about the swap partition:
The swap partition is used when your system memory (RAM) gets filled up and the system needs to free up some memory. It will try to select pieces of memory that aren’t necessarily needed until a later point in time. Ideally this won’t happen that much because the more your system uses the swap partition, the slower your system will run if it needs data from the swap. That’s because even most SSDs - and especially HDDs - are orders of magnitude slower than RAM.
Hibernation on the other hand is a way to take a snapshot of your system memory and save it on a drive so that the computer can shut down, be unplugged or moved without losing progress. at a later point in time you can start your machine again and it will restore to the same state that it was in before.
Kinda like sleep but without the risk of losing your data cos your notebook’s battery died when you forgot that your notebook was only sleeping xD
From the Arch wiki:
Swap space can be used for two purposes, to extend the virtual memory beyond the installed physical memory (RAM), and also for suspend-to-disk support.
There are multiple methods of suspending available, notably:
- Suspend to idle
- Suspend to RAM (aka suspend, aka sleep)
- Suspend to disk (aka hibernate)
- Hybrid suspend (aka hybrid sleep)
Makes me feel better about that time I installed arch on my main system successfully with very little experience in linux in general
we need more of this geek stuff brother. love watching your guides and virus dives. be good my friend
used this video as a guide for installing arch on my laptop for the first time! got it running hyprland now, thanks for the help mutahar!
I got clickbaited so hard. I saw the title and thought I'd be seeing Mutahar installing Linux From Scratch. I'm a bit biased though, as I've reinstalled Arch so many times I can do it from memory, without the archinstall script or even the Installation Guide on Wiki. I'm really indecisive, lol.
Same
same arch aint even hard you just need to partition ur disk mount pacstrap, setup locales and install ur bootloader and WM/de aint that hard
Next do LFS (Linux From Scratch) 👍
It's funny how I watched this knowing I will not install this, but still ended up watching the whole thing.
I like seeing Muta having fun explaining stuff😊
"hardest system" not Gentoo?
Gentoo is not hard
@@humanlyhuman420 I mean, it depends how you define "hard". I'd say overall Gentoo definitely demands more manual configuration and intervention from the user. You have more "stuff" you need to do. And in turn, more stuff you need to read up on so you actually have some idea what you're doing. Even if no individual thing is hard to understand and do, it's the sheer number of things and the time and effort it takes to go through it all that people consider difficult.
linux mint really just works. i never has any issues with it, and ive never regretted switching from windows
On SSD drives I like to leave a chunk of around 10% as unpartitioned space for over-provision. (I actually set 15% which is overkill) bit this protects the longevity of the drive and also helps with performance over time.
If im not mistaken that's the function of TRIM.
Installing Arch from scratch is the technical example of CBT. 😂
cognitive behavioral therapy sure can be rough
I just listened to this on my way home from work. I had that moment where i was sitting in the bus thinking to myself "none of those people know about arch".
I am that meme with the guy standing in the corner at a party.
Wait until he finds out gentoo
I had my own short lived distro back in the late 1990s. I'll be honest, the kids these days have no idea how good they have it.
good lord, i imagine lmao. im a zoomer but ive seen videos on what linux was like back in the 90s, and it certainly doesnt seem to be for the faint of heart. definitely happy to be using linux as it is in its current state.
nice!!, i been using linux since 1990's also. have built all kinds of systems.
I’ve done Linux from Scratch a couple of times. It isn’t too bad if you follow the directions super carefully. It’s definitely a learning experience.
What I dislike about LFS is that I have to install -- and keep track of -- the dependencies manually. That's why even though I _need_ a highly customised Linux, I still prefer Gentoo to LFS because that annoying administration part is handled by Portage.
Also if a package needs to be rolled back (e.g., the backdoored xz), it will be part of my daily `emaint sync && emerge -uv @world`)
@@PanduPoluan yeah I probably wouldn’t suggest lfs to be a daily driver unless you plan on rarely updating packages, or installing things.
If you're going to use hibernation, you really want at least the same amount of swap space as much you have physical RAM, maybe a bit more just to be safe
Arch is easy compared to gentoo or LFS...
its called a joke my guy
My preference is OpenSuse Tumbleweed its a solid rolling release
I was about to comment and ask you about your thoughts on Arch in your last video when I saw you posted this. I'm doing the hop myself this weekend. I've hopped recently within the last 2 years from Pop! to Mint to now Zorin going to Fedora (Last I used Fedora was in HS when it was Fedora 7) Definitely not going back to Windows with how well proton works.
arch and fedora are probably the best all-around general purpose desktop distros at this point. there's definitely an appeal to something less conventional like gentoo or void or nix or whatever, but when i just need something to work it's going to be one of those two.
From the title I was expecting OpenBSD tbh
In some ancient african language "Arch" means "I'm not able to install Gentoo"
I'm so glad Muta is taking the steps to undo the gatekeeping that the Linux community has tried to perpetuate on itself over the years.
Except that Arch already did that with archinstall!? No first timer ought to do all the crap he did in this vid manually.
@@halfsourlizard9319 No first timer should be installing Arch anyways, it'd kill a Victorian child by how different it is to Windows, nevermind scaring your grandma or anyone without a fragment of knowledge of how operating systems work
Nice vid, Been watching them for a while and enjoyed all of them, They give great perspectives on the various topics, When I've installed Arch my self I've always struggled with what the best or best way to set the sizes of each partition for like 1tb drives or 2tb drives ect..., I have always been a M$ user since the DOS 6.22 then 7.22 but since they killed their DOS environment, for me M$ computing has lost most of it's charm, for me now watching this video I will surely go back to Linux and hopefully never Install windows outside a VM ever again, Windows Died after WINXP & WIN7, Keep up the great work bud.
One of the best installs guides I have seen in many years.
Just switched over from Windows to Linux Mint, to Manjaro and I'd say I have a fun time using it. Once I get more experience and time, I would distro hop to Arch.
Gaming (and piracy) is my only concern when switching over to Linux. I'm a broke incoming 4th year CS student and I literally needed the money to survive in a 3rd world country
Hey, heads up, from my experience windows cracks usually work with wine and you can also find linux cracks too, so its fine
If you want gaming i can recommend using Nobara, it's a distro created by GloriousEggroll (the developer Muta shouted out in the video) that is geared towards gaming. The same developer also created a custom steam proton called ProtonGE which is really good and can be used outside of steam through lutris. It comes with steam and lutris preinstalled, all nvidia drivers, really well optimized game mode etc. basically plug-n-play for Linux gaming and easier to install than Mint. Also very stable from my experience.
It is based on Fedora so the shellcode is slightly different than Mint and Manjaro, the coding language in the terminal that is, but personally i cannot recommend it enough for a new user that wants to be able to easily play pretty much any game they want (for me it ran Elden Ring, Cyberpunk, Diablo 2 R, Barony almost out of the box)
no matter how many times ive installed arch or similar minimal install distro, ill always watch an install guide
Already installed arch, without any linux experience. I did not know anything about the "btw I use arch" meme, but now I'll definitely tell everyone I see that I use arch 😂. Just 3 mins in the video and already love the guy, the humor, the facial expressions.
Arch Linux is actually the easiest Linux distro to use in my experience cause even thought the install process be a little harder, i know everything I've installed so troubleshooting is a lot simpler and easier to do. Having ran both arch and debian i still find arch a lot simpler as a user.