The illusion of self and the illusion of free will, explained | Annaka Harris
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- Опубликовано: 9 янв 2025
- “Many people get stuck in feeling responsible for their psychological state, and there's a way in which simply being with whatever uncomfortable emotions rather than believing that you are controlling them can be extremely beneficial for psychological wellbeing.”
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Are you actually in the driver’s seat of your own life? The illusion of free will says that our choices are determined by factors greater than our intentions and actions, that total conscious control is purely an illusion.
We may assume that illusions like this have evolved for their usefulness, but most illusions that we experience are actually glitches, says bestselling author Annaka Harris.
Take for example the illusion of self - the other side of the illusion of free will coin. We think of ourselves as solid, unchanging entities that move through time and space, separate from the rest of the physical world. This illusion confuses us about our place in nature, and the state of our reality.
Harris explores these two illusions and how they shape our everyday experience.
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About Annaka Harris:
Annaka Harris is the New York Times bestselling author of CONSCIOUS: A Brief Guide to the Fundamental Mystery of the Mind and writer and producer of the forthcoming audio documentary series, LIGHTS ON. Her work has appeared in The New York Times, Nautilus Magazine, the Journal of Consciousness Studies, and IAI Magazine. She is also an editor and consultant for science writers, specializing in neuroscience and physics. Annaka is the author of the children’s book I Wonder, coauthor of the Mindful Games Activity Cards, and a volunteer mindfulness teacher for the organization Inner Kids.
So interesting, I think that acting as though we are in control of our will promotes personal responsibility, encouraging us to consciously take ownership of our actions and decisions. A sense of agency and purpose is important as it can lead to greater motivation and resilience in facing life's challenges. Even if free will is an illusion, believing in it helps maintain social order and cooperation by holding us accountable for our behavior.
It's probably adaptive.
Do you need or want an excuse to be selfish and evil?
@@PetraKannmaybe he's or she's a left brainer.. I think it's to do with the type of mindset or brain's sides. Left brainers or more of analytical and target oriented while right brainers are creative and compassionate etc😊
Did you choose to have that opinion?
If free will is an illusion, there's no choice to believe in it.
Believing Is an absolute opposite to what was described here. You don't get it. Re-think again and better please. This time consider there are many smarter And stronger humans than you who simply don't need what you find important. Grow up from your fears and insecurity first. And leave your idea of how manipulating others will give you what you want. Thank You.
Once I saw through this illusion I was left only with compassion for me and others. Beautiful.
it really is a misconception that determinism is just "making excuses" because we all had a choice to do the things we did, but that's missing the point entirely. We are the products of the situations we were born into without any decision of our own, that initiates a domino effect that makes us who we are now. If we approach every person this way, it forces the sonder effect, everyone else is the main character in their story, you're forced to empathize more rather than judge because you know there is a cause to their behavior.
You were put in each others path by chance, you could at least try to be a good plot point in each other's story.
Careful. Someone can leave him to a total obedience to a crazy religion.
Thats the exact reason the Buddha's teachings are filled with compassion.
The Eight Fold Path has been declared for us so that we can turn our Hate/aversion, Greed/Desire and ignorance/delusion into Love, Contentment and Wisdom.
Of course nobody could make that choice.
There's no path; that's just seeking.
We ARE the process by which our decisions are made. Doesn't matter if that process is deterministic. We have free will even under conditions of causal determinism.
I find these *very controlled* experiments with fMRI experiments underwhelming in regards to telling us something about the agency that living organisms do or don't have. It's too easy to say *everything* is an illusion, and as such we gain essentially nothing from the claim. Everything is everything, tautology is tautology.
There's a reason why we speak of the 'soft sciences'. They deal with soft facts.
Please play video again and pay attention. Thank You
@@WhiteMouse77 I did, and its even dumber the 3rd time.
What value, if any, do fMRI experiments have in your opinion? Would you advocate for any alternative procedures instead?
I have been considering free will and its illusion for years. It is an incredibly interesting phenomenon, Annaka does a great job explaining it and how illusory it is. Thank you.
sure she is taking real cash for telling these old-fashioned stories, from the world of hunger, war and ignorance like Asian countries.
Although it very well may be true, no one can prove our decisions are just an emergent property of complex physics. Our understanding of physics is incomplete and largely based on statistical observations. For all we know our underlying reality could simply be consciousness.
It could be. Should we act differently if it is? Can we act differently if it is?
@@declup Not sure, perhaps we should/could in the future if we gain more understanding
Hmmmm..... Hello from Bucharest, Romania - a huge underrated city in Europe:)
I was trying to discuss about this with my kids yesterday. They didn't get it at all.
She's so smart i love her!
Ok, let's play the word game, proposed us by Annaka Harris. Assume that self is an illusion. Who does have this illusion? Who is obsessed with it? Another self? So we get a vicious recursive infinity. What's next? How does this infinite recursive structure (which she calls self) align with natural science theories?
Deniers play word games.
@@WhiteMouse77 what about religous zealots?
Your comparison of our “free will” to other natural phenomena, such as a wave, is so graspable and compelling. It is the clearest, most relatable explanation I have heard. Thank you.
Freedom that does not affect the rights of others is true freedom; freedom that violates others is hidden ego.
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you should watch more documentary about wild nature
@@WhiteMouse77we hold higher standards
That the self is an illusion is just a conclusion made upon a certain perspective. If you reclaim your whole body and also your subconsciousness as yourself, you have your stable entity back, of which the conscious self is just a part of. Even though you can't find a center, the body and the subconsciousness is the base. And your will to live and the selforganising principle is alive since your procreation. And that is active only from within yourself. It might not be called free will, but it is definitely your will if you look at it this way. You truly exist, no illusion at all. Contemplate about this perspective before making self negating conclusions.
I don't think Annaka Harris, in this video, denies that people exist, that people experience and undergo cognition, or that people function within the world in organized ways. Her position isn't that people or their thoughts are illusory; it's that free, nonmaterial will is illusory.
I understand these ideas (a little). I just find them troubling and painful when I think about it too much.
Well if I don't really have free will, then I can't choose to break with the illusion of it just because I hear a clever argument against its reality, can I?
And if I CAN choose to break with that illusion, then I'm FREE to do it, because one can't seriously argue that "can choose" and "is free to" aren't the same concept.
Checkmate, Ms. Harris.
Perhaps you can't break with this illusion, but Annaka Harris was freed from it! :) It is just a joke, Please, never mind. :)
@@JulianBennett-Philosopher If she was freed from it, then so was I, because any distinction between "her" and "me" is merely an illusion! Experienced, apparently, by the same cosmic-scale indivisible whole.
@@MichaelAachen Actually, the fact, that one illusion impels another illusion to liberate itself from any illusions is astonishing enough, imho.
@@JulianBennett-Philosopher Tiny problem: can't liberate oneself if there's no "self" :-(
@@JulianBennett-Philosopher Ernest Becker, who wrote some interesting books about the development of the Freudian school of thought, would probably say that the denial of the self and of free will is a psychological attempt to cope with the terror of own impending death by imagining yourself dissolving in - and thereby integrating with - a larger, eternal (and therefore undying) whole.
It's a coping mechanism. Descartes's principle of "experience requires an experiencER" still seems to be a valid one.
I am blessed by knowing few languages and there is a book “The Red Pill” written by Russian Dr. Kurpatov who summarizes all of this a decade ago and understanding the absence of free will and understanding the illusion of consciousness can ease day to day life and help you learn to be happy. Unfortunately he took the side of Putin’s regime (willingly or forced I do not know). But despite being now on evil side his effort to share this knowledge I found useful.
"Willingly"?
This is literally Buddhist thought with a modern scientific angle. We have focused a lot on studying the external world in recent years, but they already knew this 2500 years ago by studying our internal world with meditation techniques. Enlightenment is simply the eureka moment when, through lifestyle and meditation practice, you finally "get it" and see things as they really are. Introspection is incredibly powerful.
I just had an Eureka moment reading your comment. Life is a funny way to figure out 8 🎶
Things are already the way they are, regardless of meditation etc.
But what's happening with "time" from the perspective of this illusion of self-awareness after you die? The space-time is disappearing after that?
if you care about financial freedom do yourself a favor and read The Censored Guide to Wealth
So well explained! I've been looking for a good way to express this idea for quite some time and she doesn't brilliant job at doing so!
There are a lot of assumptions taken for granted here consciousness is not an illusion, what would that even mean? Consciousness is experiencing something like experiencing seeing the red color in something painted red it's experiencing the reddenes... somehow that is felt it's not an illusion and the mechanism are not understood by science, about the only thing know os that it takes places in the brain, maybe someday science will understand it, but making up convoluted arguments that are just beliefs is not helpful...
Did they ever account for the fact we spend most of our lives on autopilot? This could easily skew the test results. There is a spectrum of awareness from autopilot to lucidity. Practicing mindfulness will make you better at judgment and decision making. There's also lucid dreaming which if free will is real is the ultimate expression of it. With lucid dreaming you can do practically anything if it's a controlled lucid dream and you know how to manage your subconscious schemas
So what drives you towards such control.
Why do you want it.
So what drives you towards such control.
Why do you want it.
@user-hb5qs7sy2v Nothing. I just like dreams in general and lucid dreaming is another way I get to explore them
Nothing. I just like dreams in general and lucid dreaming is another way I get to explore them
This is exactly what she said about the default mode of our brain.
Interesting video
Unfortunately, the world is still running on "the brain works magically"!
It does. That’s the point of this video. Is in automation. There’s nobody controlling or doing the brain, it just functions, you could call it magic or just life flowing
But it does. It's only the definition of "magic" which varies.
Free will is no illusion - you're just free to delude yourself it is.
Are you free to feel the way you do about it?
If a neurosurgeon were to go rummaging around your brain, maybe do a bit of pruning, you might have a different opinion on the matter.
@@CJ0101 I thought we were talking about free _will,_ not free _feeling._
In what way are you better than those people who believe they are the reincarnation of Jesus? They truly feel they are Jesus. Just like you truly feel that there is a free will.
@@krembryle No, buddy - you're talking about the map/territory distinction. But let us play your game:
In what way are you better than those people who believe they are the reincarnation of Jesus? They truly feel they are Jesus. Just like you truly feel that there is no free will.
This is mindfulness and non dualism perspective from another angle. Beautiful approach. Thank u for sharing ❤
Harris' error is that she believes that given any choice, free will requires that a person “could have done otherwise.” This is false. There are control systems (e.g., an autonomous car) and non-control systems (e.g., the car I drive). My car will not stop at red lights on its own. The autonomous car can. Both are deterministic systems. But control systems have degrees of freedom (i.e., brake, turn left, accelerate, etc.). By Harris' reasoning, the autonomous car didn’t make the decision to stop at a red light. It was the universe (and all past events) that made the car stop. If you asked a car salesman if the autonomous car he’s selling has the ability to choose to stop at red lights, and the car salesman said, “No. The autonomous car can’t make that choice,” then you might wonder why the car is considered “autonomous.” What humans want from free will is the ability to make a choice (e.g., stop at a red light) based on our degrees of freedom (which are innumerable). It doesn’t matter that we couldn’t have done otherwise. What matters is that we can make choices at all. By the way, the universe is not a control system. Neither is a tornado or a wave. What about responsibility? If a husband tells his wife that he could not have done otherwise than cheat on her, does that absolve him? No. The wife needs to decide if she wants to stay with someone who, in that situation, could not have done otherwise. If my autonomous car drives through a red light and says (like Kit in Knight Rider), “I could not have done otherwise,” then you might conclude that it’s a bad car and you’re getting rid of it in favor of a better car. The "Free" in Free Will does not mean the freedom to break the laws of nature or causality. The "Free" means being a control system not being controlled by another control system. For example, a burglar (a control system) put in handcuffs by a police officer (another control system) is less free. Limiting freedom is what prison is about. With regards to knowing what a subject will do before the subject is aware of the choice is not an argument against free will. In fact, Harris seems to not understand that you ARE your brain. Whatever your brain does is YOU doing it. You are not separate from your brain. Conscious awareness is an aspect of control systems called "Humans," but not all of it.
I wanted to say thats a lot of words to not say anything. But then after realizing you couldn't have chosen otherwise, cheers!
@@randmacct636 As a control system, I was free write them. Like a non-control system, you don't understand.
@@randmacct636 thank you for saving me from reading a wall of text that does not have a point... wait, neither of us could have done otherwise
@@patryk6769 Why read when you can have someone make a decision for you?
Presenting subjective opinions like they were objective truths. In my opinion: Free will & "the self" are not illusions, they are emergent phenomena.
We still promoting this? Even after the one who originally proposed the idea came out and disproved his own theory?
The fact you can stop yourself from carrying out an action directly conflicted with the supposed "lack of free will". Not to mention the enviromental factors that contribute to ones personality as opposed to being strictly a biological influence.
Did you try "saying something"?
Never mind... Try again..good Luck!
@WhiteMouse77 TL;DR Biological determanism has long been disproven.
Annaka provides the simplest argument to show that we do not have free will; but if you find it unconvincing and wish to delve deeper, I recommend Robert Sapolsky’s Determined.
Who is "the one who originally proposed the idea"?
I thought about this topic when I was 15
Madam you described and explained the complex phenomenon so well 👏
No, there were actually no scientific definitions of either the self or the will or the freedom presented in this video. It's just a clickbait title, nothing more. She proves nothing.
Love how it offended you 🤗
What constitutes proof in your opinion?
I assume you lean either one way or the other on this question of free will. What kind of arguments or evidence could convince you to change your mind?
@@declup Statements claiming to be scientific should be properly formulated. It is a fundamental principle of the scientific method. For example, a scientific term should be operationally defined. Indeed, there are numerous requirements for scientific rigor. If someone asserts that people have illusory self-consciousness, they should define what 'consciousness' is and what 'illusory' means. This is just the beginning of a scientific discussion. Since no definitions of consciousness were provided, the conversation about its illusory nature essentially never began. This doesn't mean that we cannot discuss this subject, but we should not pretend to be scientists when we do not possess scientific knowledge.
thanks
When are we going to start teaching this to our first graders in a way that they can understand and use it through throughout life this should be a class in every education educational system for every grade level. If this is reinforced, our society could be so much better.
When? As soon as we give up on being planet of oppression and slavery.
4:20 her arguements are chalked full of fallacy.
She says that the cmCat scan observers could pick up 4 seconds before, if the participants were going to select subtraction or addition.
How does know when tge particupant started to formulate whether there going to pick addition or subtraction. Its not as if the participant is talk outloud and saying "ok i think im goikg to pock addition" etc. Whose to say that four seconds before tgey make there decion there fairly certain what there gling to oick, subtraction or addition. The person observing the cat scan is just witnessing there decision naking process, that's all. This nkt a good grounds or study for observation of free will, at all...
you propose this as if it is a fact that the sense of free will and self are illusions when the truth is fully unknown. why would the assumption be that our own experiences of the world are illusions? that's just delusional.
Not familiar with physics I take it?
@@CJ0101 lmao. intimately familiar.
I agree. And my complaint here is that the assertions are made. And consequently I want to know more and why and how and I become interested. But then it’s not explained. It’s offered as “take it for granted”. I’m doing Sam Harris meditation app and this part confounds me. It seems the goal is evolve to “selflessness” - but no one has explained why that would be an Improvement or what the negatives are of this “self” - real or imagined. Working on it. So then I default to Josha bachs well explained assertion that humans create mental models in order to navigate the world capably. And that these models are a construct and virtue, And that seems plausible. But that means consciousness is a virtual illusion itself. Created by the model - and Sam Harris says the opposite that consciousness could never be and illusion. So I’m stuck
@@Dullydude Of course.
@@CJ0101 do you have something productive to say or are you just going to make judgements of my knowledge?
counciousness havent even been explained or "discovered" as there still the existence of the hard problem of counsiousness and nothing proves anything for or against free will ... thus all these videos of free will vs no free will are just discussions and not relevant without any hard real proof on either sides ... this is only speculations
I suppose consciousness could be in the discussion of free will, but so far as which proposition has the burden of proof, I would argue that it's on the claim of free will rather than determinism. We can trace conscious decision making to a source or experience with exploring, and brain chemistry but free will would imply that it is free of causation that originates from the beginning of the universe. That's difficult to prove.
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I think free will is a spectrum. You can have free will for example by practicing mindfulness. During these mindful states you're more attentive and make better judgements. During autopilot you're at the other end of the spectrum
The brain scan during decision making are quite close to legit prof and I cannot call them speculations.
@@petrucho130Exactly
Free will exists but is not absolute. The laws that govern what is possible dictate what CAN be but not necessarily what WILL be. We are both subject to the processes that define what is and the possibilities of what is not. We must exist within the bounds of physics yet can choose to reject those things which are not hard lines we cant cross. Free will exists in the border between the two, our thoughts are part of the physical world and the space where those rules aren't present. Free will is most alike to the famous cat in a box experiment, the state of it is unknowable until the moment of observation. In that observation choice is made, bound by the rules but free to explore the possibilities. We do not have absolute free will, that would make us gods but we can and often do bend the rules as we see fit. Any outside observer to this experiment/experience may be of the opinion that one outcome or the other is inevitable but sometimes we would be wise to take a moment to ask the cat what it thinks.
Exactly, well said ! And even if there are laws does not mean determinism (unicity of the solution), there are cases even in Physics when an equation may have multiple solutions. The kind of false reasoning in this video is simply disastrous.
If both the stimuli and the self are "processes of emergent matter, one conscious, one Not presumably, who's (insert illusory self here) to say one is more real than the other.
Many of traits asserted that "we" feel, which shape us, and give us a sense of self, I find completely unrelatable and over generalized. I can't help but feel this perspective on the topic is still in such infancy that generalizations are assumed across many people, particularly in terms of the experience of life. If you want to argue for predeterminism from a pure physics perspective, I'll give you that, it has support.
I hate to say this, because it sounds so hippy-dippy, but the perspective on self sounds like a completely western take (I hate to be so reductive), and broad. It relies heavily on average people with low to average meta cognitive ability/ experience (not life experience, the experience of life).
Incorporating additional perspectives on identity, particularly relating to metacognition, would make much of the information here more compelling. Maybe it was edited out, I don't know.
All that's real is the blobject. Existence Monism, from the metaphysical layer.
Free will is impossible if we define it as "the ability to have been able to have done otherwise". No being could have free will in any hypothetical universe. Your only choices are deterministic laws or chaotic laws and neither leave room for free will.
clicked this off halfway through. No offense but she's dancing around the point. Here's the simple explanation:
We have free will when it comes to conscious awareness. What we are thinking, interpreting our emotions, focusing on details, and with some mental/spiritual practice control of where are conscious awareness focuses.
Everything else we don't. Getting older, breathing, growing our hair, our organs performing their functions, etc. Literally everything else is a complex system triggered by macro and micro complex systems all around us and in us at all times. We think we have control and free will with these things, but if that was true you could stop yourself from aging right now. Or force yourself to stop breathing forever and stay alive.
You can't because your complex system (the lungs and cells in your body) need the complex system of air to continue to function. This is great because the deeper you think about it the more you realize that everything is connected to so many other things just for you to experience this reality. You can also realize that there are ways for you to be manipulated, and learn how external and internal stimuli can be manipulated either by you or against you, giving you back some sense of self-control.
Over simplifying something that is extremely complex is disingenuous
Are there any specific oversimplifications that you would like to address?
Perhaps you could add detail and context so that viewers' understanding of these complex matters is more accurate?
You sound like those who say that free education shouldn't ve for everyone...🤭
Yeah hatred is myth chaos too
Shes still speaking in terms of duality. There no seoerate individual, and there is no "not seoeeate indivual or "whole" . Just terms of dualism.
Well spoken
Telling people they don't have free will encourages bad behavior.
And? Scared? 😁
Free will or no, bad actions have bad consequences.
Young kids aren't the most sophisticated representatives of the human species. They barely understand language, let alone abstract concepts like free will. They still react to treats and punishments, however.
So if they don't need to believe in or understand free will to behave synergistically, maybe other humans don't either.
@@WhiteMouse77 Seem like you want people to belive in the premise of "no free will" so that you can do as you please and blame it on determinism.
The ego is an abstraction i.e. a mental construct.
So what? Are you a mental construct? Do you real?
What's the GOAL of this idea? I mean, if we have no free will, are we then not morally responsible for our actions? Such a conclusion would lead to social chaos. People who do bad things must be held responsible. We must know that if we do bad things to ourselves, we will only have ourselves to blame. Is this line of reasoning in support of socialism? Redistribution of wealth? If so, then I am opposed. Individual responsibility is a feedback mechanism that teaches us to be better. Without it, we are irresponsible, and immoral.
BTW... Don't you feel that Earth is sphere? I never thought it's unusual...🤨
@@WhiteMouse77 ^RSO
Don’t do drugs, kids. This is the result
An interest in science?
@@JBS512 no. Rock and crystal
Maybe just not doing kids like you would be fine...
@@WhiteMouse77 huh, a RSO appeared. I’m not interested in your hobby, sir. Sorry.
Wow
Tell this to a priest where free will does not exist
Shia LaBeouf stood up to applaud this
Priests are bunch of liars.
nah, i'm built different
in essence… And I mean, the full potential of our peace of consciousness, includes theoretically, 100% free will.
I didn’t listen to much of your video for I have a little tolerance for the materialist theory of life, and I will just reiterate the truth of life, whether you realize it or not … in essence, we are part of fundamental consciousness. We animate the physical body as well as the physical world….for further research start with Plato.
You definitely need experiencing encounter with some predator...🦈🦁🐺
Loved this I view it in the same way
Bunch of quantum commie nonsense! 😂😂😂😅😅😅
❤Harrises❤
Harriss'
Seems defeatist.
BS!!!
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Yes we know that you are BS...no need reminding us your mental limits...Calm down And go back to play our lil boy...
Use humor, coming from a family scapegoat who knows that I am wired to judge myself without mercy, and others too, when I need to share the load of judging myself without mercy. ☮
"Free will" would violate the laws of physics.
Elaborate - which laws and how?
@@PetraKanntime based cause and effect. Before we get into quantum physics simulating free will, that does not scale past a certain threshold in physics so that is a moot point.
@@PetraKann to think that we 'could have chosen otherwise' in any situation is like saying an electron 'could have chosen' to be in a different magnetic state from moment to moment... the universe unfolds as it does, we're simply along for the ride. Enjoy it.
You're assuming physicalism - prove physicalism, first. Also - conflation of 'laws of physics' with causality, and determinism.
There's either determinism or randomness, or a mixture of both. No free will.
Keeping the impossibility of atheism alive through pseudo science.
Build Back Better!
So go and try stopping all what you find impossible although it exists..good luck...
@@WhiteMouse77 This is a double-edged sword.
Christ is king.
gods and kings are imaginary
@@matteframe The brain cells needed to come up with your answer are
Christ Is dead....😁
"we must believe in free will, we have no choice"
[David Chalmers]
(.....i find the illusion arguments pedalled in this video nonsensical and irrational)
Poor Petra...
Great🐸🐠🥀🌹🐝
Yooii
I clicked on this because I study A Course in Miracles.
And? Any new magic skills?
@ it’s about this same topic
We are spirits living a material experience. If you want to understand more, study the Spiritist doctrine. Read Allan Kardec.
Nope - the other guy has this covered: Christ is king.
No free will is a tough one for most people to grasp because, A) most people don’t want to believe it, and B) the illusion is comprised of many layers (as mentioned in this video)
C) no strict definitions of self, of will, of freedom are known.
of course, since its existence is nowhere near debunked. Aaron schurger proved that.
This Is one of the smartest, most revealing And overall interpretations of the topic I've ever heard 🤨 WoooooW
It explains and clarifies so much to me!
This enlightenment logically proves that ideologism as way of existence is absolutely wrong!
i feel the harris family are the only real people on earth
science co-opts Advaita Vedanta - gives no credit
God really know how to "judge"(after all the options we have + GUIDANCE/a book to navigate yourself, where we know how limited our minds are. Peace be upon ya'll
God exists only in your thoughts...solved. Case closed. Next!
Getting people to claim full responsibility is very difficult. Shakespeare knew this and just tried to plant a seed.
" 'Men at some time are masters of their fates. The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings.'"
Only with responsibility can we forgive others for what they never did to us but what we chose to experience. Behind lack of forgiveness is war, fear, anger and sadness.
Choices don't take place in a body separate from the world but one with all life, as spirit, not bodies.
""That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit"
Experiments done with bodies assumes decisions are made by bodies. Mind/ spirit determines what happens in a body.
This is not disconcerting if you realize in truth that God is behind all that is real and that He is limitless, all knowing and all love.
😁God? No..🤭
@@WhiteMouse77 When you realize that doing it on your own and blaming others won't help, you'll reconsider.
She sounds like Kamala but smart
rent free will
Yeah man, it's all just like totally stardust man.