Jordan Peterson: The worst Disney movie
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I had to watch Frozen in college and critique it with several applied critical theories, we were told to view some films through a Marxist lens, some through an LGBT lens, and for Frozen we were required to critique it with feminist theory. I pointed out some of the horrible messages found in the film, and every single feminist in the room, (professor included), fought against me tooth and nail. First, I noted that Anna specifically and repeatedly blames herself for the times that her sister Elsa lashed out at her with violence. The fems lost their minds, even when I pointed out that in the ballroom scene, Anna tells Elsa "I can't live like this anymore..." To this, Elsa replies " I SAID ENOUGH! " and hurls ice daggers at her sister, the ice daggers overflow the dance floor, forcing the attendees to recoil from the danger. The feminists defended Elsa by stating, "She didn't mean it" "It was an accident" "She can't control it" "She was angry" (Imagine how many feminists would accept any form of "I didn't mean it" or "I hit you because I was angry", etc. from a male attacking a female, no chance anything like that would be considered a valid excuse). After several arguments defending Elsa, I asked for a show of hands, "How many are willing to argue that when a woman says 'I can't live like this anymore' the appropriate response is to yell 'I said ENOUGH!' and proceed to throw something dangerous at her?" The topic was suddenly (and quite conveniently) changed so I mentioned Elsa's lack of accountability for her actions, pointing out that she nearly kills her sister about every 20 minutes throughout the movie and half of those incidents came from Elsa failing to control her own anger, yet Elsa never once apologizes to her sister. Again, they disregard it and marginalize Anna without a second thought in order to defend Elsa. I brought up Elsa's lack of accountability and her irresponsible behavior and at one point my feminist professor went as far as stating "She wasn't raised as a man, so she doesn't understand how to use power" Immediately I asked, "If Donald Trump had said that very thing about Hillary Clinton today, we all know that statement would be unacceptable, does anyone care to explain why it's different when it's a woman saying it?" Guess what happened ...................... subject changed again. If I were to watch that movie with a young child(ren), I would make sure they didn't leave the theater without understanding that it's never your fault when someone loses control of their emotions and hurts you. There were many other things I could have pointed out, but this was no debate - the outcome was guaranteed from the start. This may be an oxymoron to say, but Frozen is a steaming, festering turd and no one should expose their children to it.
"She wasn't raised as a man, so she doesn't understand how to use power"I'm guessing your professor has never heard of tomboys.
Well my first thought when she said that was 'what if a man said the exact same thing about a woman'? My second thought was, "If that argument is valid, then either start raising girls as men or bar them from positions of power". If you argue that a woman can't understand power, then you pretty much *have to* agree that women are not capable of handling power. My professor was just reacting on pure emotion, willing to say *literally anything* to try to win the debate. But this is where a lack of accountability rears its ugly head. Being raised as a man, I have been trained to think things through so I'm less likely to say things that can turn around and bite me on the ass. I know better than to say something like my professor said because I have been taught to be accountable for what I say and do. It's not remotely acceptable for men to say, "I didn't mean it that way, I was upset". The difference lies 100% on being accountable and not being allowed to use emotions to excuse stupid actions. This is exactly the same as my earlier point, if I hit my sister I already know that saying "I didn't mean it" or "It was an accident" or "I couldn't control my emotions" will never be accepted as a way to avoid accountability. If women want and deserve to have power, they absolutely must first learn responsibility and accountability. If you respect women and support their 'empowerment' your first action should be to demand accountability from them. Trust me, accountability might be something women don't like or value, but it's not something that is beyond their abilities.
Honestly, I feel bad for girls, knowing they live in a world where this kind of feminist dogma is allowed. Like, what's wrong with girls just wanting to be normal, and to be like everyone else? Am I seriously the only one who actually considers stuff like that? I bet your professor must hate to see _Inside Out_ - she'd probably think it's misogynist that, for example, the father sends Riley to her bedroom. Because, you know, a man having control over a woman, or some crap like that.
When you said they changed the topic it made me think back to the comedian Bill Bur, who said women stay on topic when they know they are right but change the topic when they know they are wrong.
Im sure there is a youtube video with him saying it if you want to listen to it.
@Goondock Saints
Regarding the people like the ones that you "debated" with in college; hypocrisy knows no bounds~
The fact that they had to keep dodging your questions was the 2nd red flag, with the 1st red flag being the fact that they kept attempting to justify women's lack of upholding responsibility.
What an absurd concept; any honorable person would find that practice of mannerism to be completely unacceptable!
Even children can be taught how to be responsible from a young age, and yet these "adults" can not; they should be ashamed of themselves.
The Frozen movie is a disgraceful piece of feminist propaganda; I hate everything that it stands for.
The very idea of people defending this vile media is the only thing that disgusts me even more than the movie, itself.
Best Coca Cola ad I've seen in a while.
I was thinking the same thing. But also like a lot to hear what JP has to say
How much coke was in that can though? He seemed fixated on it.
This is amazing
It was Coke Zero remix
No sugar is best.
"Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do. That will tell you who they are, because what do they know about who they are? They have a vague model of who they are and it's often hyper tilted toward banality, conformity, and self protection." This man just torched 90% of people's personalities and bios.
The only caveat is you have to be capable of discernment. We've all had delusional people project things over the top of us that aren't true :/
According to my interpretation of these ideas, this statement boils down to "take everything with a grain of salt" and "actions speak louder than words."
@@DerpDahFlerp what you said is a lot more vague, but you got the jist of it
He is so good at succinctly and totally annihilating idiocy.
Including my own!
Title: The worst Disney movie.
Gets a live-action Mulan movie ad lmfao.
I have seen neither of them but Mulan may be the worst by default as it was filmed in a concentration camp.
@@NathanCassidy721 Mulan was a great film, live action mulan was so awful I had to leave the theatre and laugh outside
@@stopwritingthatreplyjohnat6638
I love the original Mulan. That's why I don't want to see the live-action on as there is no way they can ever get lightning to strike twice.
@@stopwritingthatreplyjohnat6638 Live Action Mulan was so bad, ignoring the awful plot and story, the ideological message was significantly worse than Frozen. It was all about how women are oppressed by the patriarchy. Like really? That awful ideology was just shoved down my throat about how she is so much stronger than every other man and needed to prove it to them as all they did was suppress her for her gender only. The Incredibles 2 movie was almost as bad. Hated both.
Any of the disney star wars...
"Just because you're a failure doesn't mean you're an artist"
Jessie Chapman Your beautiful.
Jessie Chapman lol
Julio Acceus lol, thanks yo
JP dropping truth bombs
7:30 I came down to the comments to quote this.
I clicked on this to hear him trash a Disney movie and now I'm trying to wrap my head around Schrodinger's interpretation of humans as dissipative structures...Damn.
Ok.
As the swirl around the drain in a sink has new water particles replacing the spot that another one was in, so to does every cell in our body get replaced as time moves forward.
An example in a city can be a store. It will usually have a cashier, a custodian, some customers. However, the person won't always be the same person occupying those positions. Sometimes the person who is the cashier may even occupy the position of a customer and vice versa. Unfortunately like the swirl in the sink, the store may also ... dissipate.
The thing that is "you" is not really the sum of your particles. You are not really a tangible object or else you being dead or alive would not matter but yet you are inherently linked to the particles that make you up. In that way you are a structure moreso than an object because what is "you" is the effect of the states in which those particles exist. Now as a human we add things like memories(past) and dreams(future) to that structure and assign it as being a part of "you" but that is another level of existence that is not covered by your physical structure.
reading it out now that i wrote it i realize that i suck at explaining... maybe it still helps.
And tuned out
Stan lee LOL!!!!
demolitionGoat That was pretty good i think.
Jordan Peterson: Worst Disney movie
Disney: Worst movie Y E T
NEW LION KING, STAR WARS SEQUELS, NEW MULAN, etc
@Cactus Juice yeah, it's just stupid.
@Cactus Juice Because people is stupid enough to keep buying.
New disney isn't about story, mythology and art. It's about sending a message. A very shitty and destructive message
What’s wrong with new lion king? It’s the same story
There are nothing new in the new movies, except their release date. I would even believe scriptwriters, from Disney or other big studios, are on strike from years, and do not plan to stop the strike.
Reminds me of a quote by Ralph Waldo Emerson. “Your actions speak so loudly, I can not hear what you’re saying.”
Ooooh, I can't wait to use that qoute on someone!
Or rather you can hear what they truly mean/represent.
"I'm too drunk, to taste this chicken" -Colonel Sanders -Ricky Bobby
I would like to see him explaining this to a room of little girls...just for the comedy of it
Cesar Meza 😂😂😂
Five year olds wouldn't understand. And they only go to the movies for the pretty pictures and the songs. The narrative barely interests them.
Grunthos The Flatulent I don’t think that’s necessarily true, the messages of movies and such are usually deeply embedded in them at that point
People often severely underestimate what children are capable of doing and understanding. In the west there tends to be a cultural bias towards treating children as being inept and needing sheltering from what are seen as being complex skill sets and thinking, but in reality it is these things being withheld from them that stunts their capability. Just as an example, the teacher in charge of the local chess club at my local high school wouldn't believe me that I personally had met children as young as six or seven who could easily and consistently beat him and anybody else on the team, he didn't think kids that small were capable of the adaptive thinking needed to apply strategy and tactics. Then he takes the team to an open tournament with no age groups for the first time and they were completely dismantled, with a second grader winning undefeated.
@@Anglesso you wouldn't recognise the truth if it jumped up and bit you on the nose
Jordan the type of guy to not drink his soda cause he wants to finish his sentence on archetypical roles in Disney movies
Jordan drinking a soda is pretty iconic if you ask me.
So you're saying that people who drink sodas during conversations are stupid??????
Hahahaha
Product placement.
Moral of the story: Let your kids watch Shrek instead.
I like the way you think, Sir Rami!😎👏
Shrek is life, Shrek is love
Not!
Your not counting shreck the third right?
So all of you think, if you are a long-winded donkey-like, and fall in love with a tongue-tied dragon-like, it's OK and there will be no problem?
I would rather you ask Mr. Peterson about it.....
"Every nihilist worth his salt wants to be an artist."
God damn, that's right on the money
That’s very funny. It reminds me of the artist Alex Grey before he took psychedelics, he was a self-proclaimed nihilist.
Not really
“Every child is an artist. The problem is how we remain an artist when we grow up” Picasso. Just a different spin- being an artist is not necessarily a bad thing.
I understand and respect what he’s saying but just speaking for myself I disagree
I dont understand
There are three Jordan Petersons:
- The 1996 hot boi Peterson
- The holding a can of soda big boi Peterson
- The old hard boiled final form Peterson
... and I love all three.
eggo I wish he would stop sipping the coke can.
I think Dr. Peterson is hot NOW so obviously I had to google "Dr Jordan Peterson 1996." *fans self*
The first human being to attain Ultra Instinct.
He had everything but health and when he sorted that out, everyone started paying attention
- "Punished Peterson'
The true Big Boss
Girlfriend: So what did you think of the movie?
Me:
This is how I would address my girlfriend -- if I had one...
So basically I think the first third of Frozen is really good. You could also fit in For The First Time In Forever Reprise in there too and the trolls weren't that great so maybe not them. But anyway, it's like they had a good idea that could really work, but they didn't think it through what implications that idea would bring. It's like you make a good start but you don't really figure out what the idea really means towards the end of the movie. But, what I think Frozen really gets right is how to use good music. Instead of having a song just stand for itself for the sake of it, you use the song to convey the story. After seeing For The First Time In Forever you immediately know the personalities, frustrations, character traits of both Anna and partially Elsa and it helps you grasp the world the movie is set it. I think this is why the good songs are so good, especially within the context of the movie and why the bad songs become so apparently bad. I think even a lot of musicals get this wrong which is detrimental to the flow of the movie. I find just abrupting the flow of information to be really bad for movies. I think how well done the flow of information is done in Star Wars: A New Hope is at least one of the reasons that movie works so well, but it's a bit of an extreme case for various reasons. And it's probably why I really like The Nightmare Before Christmas so much, but I haven't seen it in a while and honestly, I should see episode 4 too.
You could compare this movie to Star Wars: Return of the Jedi. Everything until the last third is not really great but it gets the last third really well. Everything with Luke and Darth Vader having a father and son reconciliation is really great. So I don't think you can totally hate these movies because they at least get some parts really well.
In conclusion, I think for what Frozen does do right it will be remembered because that which it does right is the most memorable part of the movie. You can probably pinpoint everything that happened in the first third but that becomes much harder for the other two thirds. It should be appreciated for what it did well and not what it did bad.
@@8is I concur. Each time I attempt to understand it, I just let it go.
Gadsden Green Absolutely, it’s the next right thing.
@Pat Fry Why is Jordan's mouth asking what he thinks about Frozen on a process of development of stories level?
@Pat Fry I'll give you the answer. Because why the hell not?
The director of the many famous Ghibli films, Hayao Miyazaki, did not create a script from the first but kept weaving the stories while creating the film.
I think that’s why his films are packed with meaning, and you can talk about it for hours.
Love Miyazaki😍
What's his IQ?
@@jackjack4412100%
@@jackjack4412 40 frontlobillion
Asian art is as much in the process as the end product. They love painting that make a whole pictures from a few paint stripes.
For a second I thought this was about a movie called Jordan Peterson and was confused why Disney made a movie about him and why it’s so bad lol.
lol
I would watch a Disney movie about Jordan Peterson
He was recently made into the main supervillain of a Captain America series, so eh
@@shakespeare4bears disney would frame him as an oppressive villian
@@AImighty_Loaf Imagine the villain songs he would get though
Propaganda (rather than Art): when the people creating a story already knew what it should be before they created it
-Jordan Peterson
Like the fox ,( so called news channel )Propaganda
@pornoWmzika art follows or brings out an idea, not forces it out in a certain specific way
@@michaelseidenberg2323 all major news networks are propaganda
Tiger Tamer I think JP may have miscommunicated.
In a propaganda, there are ideas/lessons that you want to convey, and the whole story and its outcome revolves around that idea. A mystery novel doesn’t care about a lesson. Instead, it focuses on telling the story, and whatever lesson comes out of it is a byproduct.
@@aphroditesaphrodisiac3272 And that's not what Frozen did?
If we are to believe what we are told, they also did not know what the story was going to be. They changed up the whole plot, because the villain got a song that was too good, so she couldn't be the villain anymore...
I don't see how it's supposedly propaganda compared to any other story. Every story has something happening in it, and with those things happening there will always be lessons to learn and morals to draw from it.
My mom over heard me listening to Jordan and thought it was Kermit the frog lol
Kraunchy NOW I CAN’T UNHEAR IT!!!
"Kermit THE Frog here, bringing you the latest in modern psychology. Today, we're going to talk about the worst Disney movie ever made..."
LOL
@@hariman7727 Oh the irony.
Herman Cillo Oh the irony
"Just because you're a failure,
doesn't mean you're an artist ".
Thats a keeper!
But if you're a failed artist, you can still be Fuhrer if you want it bad enough.
😂👏🏼
Yes, but I'm probably going to end up hurting somebody's feelings using that line.
@@nodiggity9472 you sir, are a legend.
I love that he dyed his hair blue to look more like Hades, while talking about Disney. Real commitment to a lecture that is.
Lol it’s the camera effect of fluorescent lighting reflecting off grey
@@michemash8860 How dare you bring me back to reality, I left for a reason
Lol
@@JellyCoatedBean "You may say yourself, you dont have any religious beliefs, well fine. Why do you watch Jordan Peterson give a lecture with blue hair? What the hell do you think you're doing watching RUclips? You dont think that's a religious experience? That's because you're completely clueless about what religious experiences are. You're watching a bunch of fluorescent lights reflect off of gray hair. Like... it's an optical illusion. His hair isn't even blue! And then you're just in there and youre embedded in there. It's got your imagination. So you say 'I don't believe in any of that'.. yeah right... come on.
_you believe in it."_
@@whitworth5s248 underrated comment. Hilarious!
"Just because you're a failure, doesn't mean you're an artist" MY SIDES LOL
Maybe Jordan Peterson is a religious experience.
I imagine so, because like religion, his words don't really make a whole lot of logical sense, and must, I suppose, be taken on faith (under the assumption that he actually knows what he's talking about.)
I suppose he managed to make me think at least... I still do where he was trying to go with watching a movie beeing a religious experience. He seem to claim whatever his view of what a religious experience is the correct one. But I would think the way I use the word, that would probably not fit.
I mean, is playing around in fantasy all that is needed to be religious? He also say "you believe it." or something. >.> Well celearly I believe the movies exist... The content of the movies? Is it that I would be religious toward the creators of said move?
I dono. I often do not agree with this dude. He seem to be rather stuck in some views where I do not think it is as clear as he would like things to be.
Well he makes normative statements (morality) like "clean up your room" or "Stand up straight." This a form of morality which is a hallmark of a religion. But I suppose that's what everybody does.
Yep; he made me think, too... Made me think of all the other, more productive & rewarding ways I could be spending my time, rather than listening to his empty, pointless psychobabble & pseudo-philosophical balloon-juice...
He likes settlers of Catan.
"Just because you're a failure doesn't mean you're an artist"
This right here just murdered 98% of the people who go to art schools.
?
it hit me a little bit but i left my artistic pathway a long time ago fortunately. lots of artists are pseudo intellectuals.
0:25
-"I dont have any religious beliefs"
- "then why you watch Disney movies?"
-"... say again?"
Yeah, Peterson makes way to large jumps sometimes.
Events, idols, awe, emotions, morals. Your brain doesn't care you call yourself an atheist, it will treat the sh!t out of what it just experienced.
I think he defines a "religious" thing as a thing involving Truth (particularly metaphorical/symbolic truth), Goodness, and Meaning. Religion, as an area of thought, is your connection to these things.
@@lucasfreer2785 have you heard his definition of truth tho? Hehe
@@3stepsahead704 I believe I have, but I'm not sure if I could quote it.
I'm so glad that I'm not alone in the mindset that Frozen is just an ideological display by Disney.
R.C. Beringuela Frozen was the worst Disney movie I have ever seen. There is no justification for anything that happens. Why does the main character have freezing abilities? why is it that when she freezes her sister on accident that freezing the heart is bad but not the brain? Well don’t worry, because the trolls have the answer, those characters who have no reason to exist, and only show up for that explanation. Oh and, 75% into the film they will throw in a snowman with a NY accent for comedic effect. The bad guy has no justification for being bad, and the writers thought that that would make it more of a twist, when in fact it isn’t a twist but bad writing. God I hate that movie.
+Eric Castleman
"Malificent" was SOOO much worse. Frozen was subtle enought to at least go over more well rounded kids heads, it being only really dangerous as reinforcment to children already being indoctinated. Malificent, however, blatently shits on the Archetypes, claiming, essentially, that the Overbearing Mother is justified in doing so, and that no kings are good, that a man can only be good and trustworthy when he is weak and harmless, and must stay that way.
Foul, FOUL film; Doug Walker's politics are generally to the Left, but is too proffesional as a genuine Critic to let them muddle his thinking regarding the archetypes, and was able to break down what was wrong with it in a brilliantly neutral manner. It is a perspective worth seeing.
Well. I see a villain (prince Hans) as one single person in Frozen, that has believeable motivation. He's ambitious, power hungry psychopath, that seeks throne as his goal. Seems plausible to me.
Do you realize, that it doesn't matter in regard to Frozen?
Frozen isnt any more ideological than any other Disney movie, you just notice because its not the ideology you like. If "you dont need men" is propaganda then so is "you need men" (every other disney movie).
The concept of an intelligent adult having a free, in depth conversation with a room of young adults is a wonderful thing
It's not a back and forth though, just a monologue.
@@timefortee Have you overheard the questions?
@@slaxxer113 were there questions?? No I haven't. That would be cool.
i think it's called school.
It's once-upon-a-time school, not "now" school.
7:43 "Just because you're a failure doesn't mean you're an artist." - Jordan Peterson.
Best quote ever.
Chris THANK YOU for timestamping this 👌
"What are you?"
"I'm an artist!"
"No, you're not, but I can see why you want to be."
"Just because you're a failure doesn't mean you're an artist."
💀💀💀💀
i cannot understand the message T_T
Art is the vying innervation against tyranny.
Apply NaCl to the affected area.
5:56 He just taught me more about cubism than anyone else has.
Honestly, ive never understood it until now
They explained it to me exactly in this way at school
I took 6 years of art in secondary school and I never understood cubism until now.
We see a lot of that nowadays. Movies, games, songs that are mainly propaganda, with very little art in it. They really push onto you what they want to say. They give you no chance to interpret it in any other way. To the point where it's revolting, and you go "stop telling me what i'm supposed to think". No subtlety at all. Because if a message is subtle, then you create at least 2 interpretations of your work: 1) There is what those who didn't notice the message will think. And 2) There is what those who noticed the message will think. And when you are dealing with propaganda, you can't have that. There can only be one message. We can't trust you to reach the conclusion that we want you to reach if we don't explicitly tell you what to think.
"They really push onto you what they want to say."
That's what stories are at their core though, ways of expressing the narrator's view of the world, or a desired or potential state of the world (e.g. seen in fantasy, science fiction etc.). If you look at the Brothers Grimm stories, they had very specific messages for teaching children about the dangers that lurk in the darkness, teaching them about the consequences of disobeying their parents, etc. All those stories were cultural propaganda, just as all the older Disney stories about a valiant prince saving a princess.
Archetypes exist for several reasons: so that listeners, readers and viewers can culturally relate to and identify with the characters, but also to reinforce the existing culture, traditions and roles in the minds of new listeners/readers/viewers. Many modern storytellers play with archetypes, and try to mix them or discard them, especially when the values the stories express intentionally go against archetypes. Frozen discards some archetypes, but embraces others.
Of other media that discards archetypes, I can think of movies like The Cabin In The Woods (an obvious one), Moana to some degree, Shrek does it big time, and probably many more that I can't think of off the top of my head. I don't quite understand why Frozen gets so much hate, because I do think that the values it pushes are woven quite nicely into the stories, albeit with several plotholes and questions (what did Elsa eat in her ice castle, where did she poop, how come she can create life?).
That's like not true, most stories in the past did that too you just didn't notice cause it was your opinion
Most communication is open to many interpretations. Religious texts are the obvious example. Sometimes people can just overthink and twist the intention of the writer(s) to suit their own agenda.
Media has always some kind of propaganda inside. When I look back at the movies and series in the 80s/90s, its all about male dominance. Or look at the toys of that time and how they still are. It was and is all about forcing boys and girls into roles.
@@tiefensucht Exactly! Especially action movies of the '80s - they are testosterone fueled spectacles with macho dudes and sexy women. They're very fun, but the male dominance and strong gender roles themes are now all too obvious.
Title: the worst Disney movie. Content: soviet propogandist art pieces. Love this man:)
The shape of water was remake of a Soviet film that had the same ideological propaganda.
@@Danaluni59 what film? name it, pls
Meee tooooo.
Dan Aluni what Soviet film was that, and what was the propaganda behind Shape of Water? I did watch the movie (and hated it) but I can't really tell what's Soviet-Y about it. Thanks :)
@@morganatorricelli1413 Amphibian Man
"Just because you're a failure doesn't mean you're an artist"
OH GOD.
He obviously hasn't seen the last Jedi.
true that.
This was a while ago
Huw Mungus yes. it was a joke. hopefully he saved his money in favor of a good sci fi film like blade runner 2049. star wars is dead. sjw propaganda.
I'd love to see Jordan Peterson discuss The Last Jedi. To think that film exists because of Star Wars is insane.
After watching The Last Jedi, I decided to watch my first Star Trek movie. At least it wasn't made by Rian Johnson.
Anyone else think he dyed his hair blue at first?
That would be hilariously ironic.
John Antonucci rite!? :)
Right *
Why is his hair blue?
Robert Cain the light from the screen begind him
John Antonucci I guess that means he dyed his suit blue on top too. There's the same blue sheen on it.
I was 10/11 when I watched it. All I took from it at the end was "wow, pretty snow and nice song". Now when I some Disney movies, I can see a lot of innuendos and propaganda hidden in plain sight.
hi family- no "wife/mother" in the sauna. but still kinda like em- the reboots are far more pointless.
When i watch Tv, movies or play video games i want to be entertained and immersed in a great story. I don't want a message being shoved down my throat for the 100th time. It's like I'm not allowed to be my own character and i need to believe these basic PC messages. I avoid a lot of corporations, like modern Disney, for this reason.
“In 300 years, there won’t be a shred of [communism] left.”
ONE CAN ONLY HOPE!
Of course not! Roaches ain't marxists, and they will be the only ones around, thanks to the gracious gifts of predatory capitalism.
@@smokingcrab2290 eyes are rolling so fucking hard. Communism is evil, capitalism is altruistic. *You sound the same* as the communist sounds, your head is just stuck in your own ass.
@@smokingcrab2290 capitalism employs natural forces as a self regulating mechanism. It's automatic and unbiased by default. Communists are those busybodies that think they can literally control EVERYTHING without repercussion. It's a form of delusion where they can't realize their fantasy ignores reality.
Good luck people will always want free shit that others had to work or pay for
@@thedrno4901 that's exactly why capitalists fight tooth and nail against social programs that benefit the people.
7:42 ''Just because you're a failure doesn't mean you're an artist.'' LOL
I loathed Frozen immediately without even knowing why, except felt a deep revulsion. Interestingly the ad that came on during this video was for Frozen
3:50 - Holy cow, he just eviscerated most modern movie studios.
Someone pass me a dictionary and thesaurus please...
Good move
It's more like he didn't explain certain phrases. What does "manifest identity through transformation" mean?
@@mxu111 It makes sense to me since hes arguing that the further we get from marxist times, the more art seems to gain more identity, become unique rather than forcing someones ideas down others mouths. Eg the war he can see in the talented artists when they are only allowed to paint propaganda, yet their own identity still shines through the painting as if in conflict with the piece itself.
@@PremierAlanMC mmmm....thanks. So he's collecting b/c he likes how the artists' individuality shines through the totalitarianism. A nightingale in a cage.
@@mxu111 Manifest = to display, transformation = change. To 'be' a person through changes (i.e. to be a person, as no person is static, but changing).
"If you look at a dream overall, it's very difficult to discern the meaning. However, as time goes on, there might be certain meanings in the background. Movies that you can watch once and understand entirely -- that is the type of movie that I don't really like. However, if you are able to understand 70 to 80 percent of what's being relayed, and there's still some percentage left that would allow for your own interpretation . . . that's the type of movie that I do like. There might be a certain part that you don't quite understand, but there is a portion that rests in your heart."
-Satoshi Kon
Great quote
Man even after everything he's gone through the last couple years he still looks 10000x healthier than here.
That's what soda does to you.
The snow in the design of ice castle was thoroughly researched by the animators and is an accurate depiction of how ice crystals are formed on a microscopic level. It’s beautiful visual art. “Let it go” is a pretty good song too!
Oh, god no. The whole soundtrack for that movie is horrendous
Jordan “pick up and put down drink” Peterson.
Read this comment as he was doing that😛
It's pure marketing
will marshall dafuq.. lol no it isn’t
Person 1: “I enjoy x brand of beverage”
Person 2: “propaganda!!”
Lol
The Last Jedi chose Ideology over Mythology.
I think that's only partially true. The stuff specifically involving the casino and Holdo in her actions as Admiral were the ideological parts. The stuff involving Luke, Rey and Kylo Ren was not driven by ideology and was much more mythological/archetypal.
@@Tyler_W well, that explains why the stuff surrounding Rey was the best part of the movie and everything surrounding Finn was absolutely abysmal
People who fear agendas see them everywhere and miss everything else that is front of their eyes.
@Honey Badger: u obviously don't understand the word "objectively", so it's hard to accept the rest of your opinions as reasonably valid.
@Honey Badger: ah fuck...u r 1 of those Mauler sycophants who will sit and watch 2 hours of someone else's opinions instead of thinking for yourself. 🙄
Movies, like any other art, r highly subjective. Just because u (and a youtuber who makes $ whining about movies) didn't like it, couldn't accept it, or could understand it, doesn't make it "objectively" anything. I enjoyed Rey's character and I'm satisfied with how her powers unfolded...and that is MY SUBJECTIVE OPINION. U r allowed to have your own SUBJECTIVE OPINION as well (or can let Mauler tell u your opinion), but u r not the arbiter of "objectivity" in movies.
I have had a very bad feeling about Frozen ever since it came out and I’ve never seen it. My 4 year old granddaughter is addicted to everything Frozen. I was warned by my professor of Family Life to avoid everything popular. What the masses cling to and idolize is always going to be a problem. All movies these days seem to have an agenda and are shaping the thinking of our youth. I’m very concerned. If Frozen is loosely based on one of my favorite stories The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Anderson, they’ve got it really wrong. 🙁
As a musician who writes & produces song weekly, I can assure you Jordan is correct. I start with a guitar piece, and then figure out the rest solely via trial and error. Sometime I have the lyrics and full melody complete before recording as well. But I genuinely have no clue about the keyboard, orchestral, or even sometime bass. Even if there is an original vision, it gets tossed more than 95% of the time. I don’t know what I’m doing. The songs assemble themselves in an incredibly unthought out process. Sometimes I’ll have the first 1/4th of the song completely done. I mean lyrics, editing, Layer upon layers of sounds… and I’ll the song based on just 1/4th of it being completed. Then I just fill the rest of the song out. It’s funny how he knows that I don’t know what I’m doing.
J P: "Frozen is the worst Disney movie ever..."
Artemis Fowl
: "Am I a joke to you? 😐"
Atemis Fowl: "Am I a Joke to you?"
Star Wars: "Not as much as I am!"
@@Acaykath Eh, Artemis is still a worse insult to fans than Last Jedi was (arguably).
@@rommix0 Some people loved Atemis Fowl. Most People love Star Wars. While you could argue that Artemis Fowl was a worse movie (I can't since I don't even like the books so I've never seen the movie). There were simply greater expectations and a larger audience to be insulted by the existence on the Last Jedi, thus it was a bigger insult to the fans.
@@Acaykath > Some people loved *Artemis Fowl.
The movie or the book series, and who?
Sky High: "amateurs..."
As a writer who wants to finish and publish books, Peterson’s definition of art is really inspiring to me and a good reminder that it’s a process. We feel so rushed to have everything done right away now that it’s no wonder art (paintings, films, books) is lacking in quality today. Hell it took Michelangelo (one of my idols) YEARS to finish one of his stuff lol
Thank you! I am an artist and I feel so frustrated when I see other artists on RUclips and Instagram churn out new work weekly. I can't, try as I might take less than a month to finish one! I am so jealous and bitter all the time!
@@justanopinionsincerelynoof3860 that is because the easier it is to make art, the less a single painting is considered art.
Those artists that churn out a single painting every day are not making works of art, they are making pieces (by the etymological definition of it) of art. The ACTUAL work of art is the entire collection, as it shows the artists beliefs, methods and personality.
View each drawing as a zoomed in crop of your actual art, and eventually you will get yourself portrayed by hundreds of paintings.
I remember when fictional films were made solely for entertainment. A way to temporarily escape reality. But then Twitter was created 😒
" but then Twitter was created " is a mood
Disney films were never made solely for entertainment, they've been hitting us with the mythological hero's journey since Snow White. But it was nice when nobody knew that's what they were up to. Because when you sneak the lesson in the lesson is good. Anything that's immediately obvious what it's about sucks
Propaganda was is the art since the art started it's existence. Just an art itself became more versatile
Really...I mean wth should we fkin do then ...just work...oh note even that ...
Yeah, because before twitter there were no fictional films that pushed any kind of dangerous political message.
*cough cough Birth of a Nation cough*
"someone who is a true artist doesn't have a political message."
True, because if there are it's propaganda.
Love this one.
I am switching from regular Coke to Coke Zero after seeing this.
I would even listen to Jordan Peterson ordering at a restaurant carefully because it might have some deep hidden insights to it.
Oh my gosh, so valid.
There’s a freedom toons bit where he orders lobster at a drive thru, it’s pretty damn hilarious
@@jacqueboyce3176 ruclips.net/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/видео.html
@@kek397 Oh damn you! I thought this was gonna be a link to the freedom toons video
I can't believe I fell for this in freakin 2021
"The real artist doesn't know what they are doing".
Thank you Jordan Peterson for confirming that I am then, in fact, a real artist. 😀
Just because you are a failure it doesn't mean you are an artist
@@Jayako12 Embrace your failures darling, and one day you might become an artist. 😉😋
I don't know what I'm doing, but I am also a failure... WHAT AM I?! *confused screeching*
Thanks for putting this up and thanks for all the links.
I’d like to hear his thoughts about Frozen 2. It seems that Disney attempted to shift gears. Frozen 2 teaches about electro magnetism and universal truth. It is based in Norway. Elder futhark letter I is Isa which means Ice. Walter Russell calls that the Mind. The place where all ideas reside and spring from when vibrating. “Where the Northwind meets the sea, there’s a river full of memory.”
So it seems like Disney did finally tap into the universal truth in the second movie.
The projector is giving him
"Social Justice" hair 🤣
Actually in this arc Jordanu Peter-san achieved Super Saiyan Blue form
I kept reading the comments until someone mentioned the blue hair,wasn't sure if I was having a aneurism!😂🤣
Haha,blue hair. This comment section is comedy gold.
I thought he painted it just for hilariousness
I was wondering too.
"What is the worst Disney movie?" "The next one... (it's a moving target!) ;-)
The growing pile of bad Disney movies is a dissipative structure.
Condorman was pretty awful. Does anyone even remember it?
"...a real artist doesn't know what they're doing"
Thank you Jordan :')
7:40 "Just because you're a failure doesn't make you an artist" - brilliant
Absolutely would love to see Professor Peterson's take on The Last Jedi vs The original movies. The movies from the 70s and 80s showed Lucas's vision of the Campbell inspires Hero's Journey. The Last Jedi is Kathleen Kennedy's vision of the SJW world of feminism today. It is absolutely amazing what happened with that last movie. My disgust at what happened is what led me to RUclips videos of the opinions of fans... those complaints somehow led me to Jordan Peterson. Thats why I would love to see the analysis. It fits into what he is saying about SJW trying to destroy old archetypes and men in general.
The original Star Wars is a fairy tale... it even starts with "Once upon a time..."
trequor
Yeah, sort of. It says, "A long time ago, in a galaxy far away" sort of the same.
The point is that Lucas wrote a story based on Campbell's vision of the hero's journey. It's a story telling history that goes back to the first epic poem, The Odyessy. We can all relate to it.
These new movies only reflect the feminist, radical, post modernism philosophy that has taken over our society. It goes away from traditional story telling. If that is what the public wants, then ok..
It won't be me, because I can see through this lame transition our society is experiencing. Its making men into women, and that is a bad thing. Men should stop taking it, and stand up and say this is bad. Bad, bad, bad
Can you explain how the last Jedi is sjw propaganda? Besides females in the position of power I can’t think of anything. It doesn’t help that I don’t remember the movie very well.
mrburns805 Not sure that it is propaganda, just a new vision. It seemed that all of the male characters were terribly flawed, and represented all the bad things you hear today about men, they were either baffoons or overbearing. The women were all heros who sacrificed themselves, had all the answers or saved the men somehow. Nothing wrong with that happening in some form or fashion, but ALL of them? Its kind of sad to me that Reys character just magically knows how to do all the things that it took every other Jedi decades to master. She does not have to struggle to learn lessons, like Luke did. That was part of the story, following his journey. The heros journey. She is a Mary Sue, and its too bad they did that to those characters.
69mrbrightside691. Yes, George Lucas even thanked Joseph Campbell, and said that followed that for Luke. Agree 100% on the deconstruction comment. And, it would be funny if it was Bruce instead of Joseph. Lol
Ironically, I watched a Disney+ commercial leading into this video.
@XxBo3eeDxX cringe.
Same lmao
Isn't that more coincidental?
In just 5 seconds I understood the main purpose of Cubism. Thank you Jordan
wait til he see's that mulan live action remake, oh boy.
Ur pfp matches ur tone lol🤣
If it wasnt for "Let it go" (a music with an horrible message in it) this movie would be as relevant as The Princess and the Frog
That was a way better movie imo
Well have you heard "Show yourself" from Frozen 2? "I have always been so different, normal rules did not apply..." Like, yeah, sure, go on treating everyone around you like unworthy garbage, cause you're sO DiFfrEnT eLSa
I actually quite enjoyed Princess and the Frog. The art style was really nice too.
let it go's message really isn't bad
Princess and the Frog is dope though
Why does this look like it was recorded in the 90's?
It was.
@@annieinwonderland how do I get to the timeline where frozen comes out in the nineties
@@promethea8916 lmfao😂😂 gold
@@promethea8916 it's true I am the 90s
I saw that Picasso film from about 1957 and it is incredible. Whether you like Picasso's work or not it is fascinating to watch him creating his art
How can I learn about the different archetypes and how to balance them? I know Jung talked about it. Any one knows which books I could read about this?
I want to write a novel but I want to do it as good as possible and knowing about the archetypes could help me.
The one message in Frozen that sticks out to me is that it seems to say “It’s ok to let out your anger on others, you’ve controlled it enough and the feelings are. Because the feelings are genuine, it’s ok to let them out. Anyone hurt by them will understand that and should understand that you are just processing your feelings.”
So you're opening the door to allowing any action to be justified by feelings. Think about what that means and actually follow it through.
@@grimble4564 Jordan Peterson has often said in the past that you need to speak the truth as you see it (AKA Express yourself) and when you do, people will tell you all the ways in which you're a fool and wrong and stupid. You'll be broken. Then you'll (hopefully) learn and pull yourself together, and try speaking again, having left behind the parts that broke. 5 years of that, and you'll be articulate, much wiser than you were, and much more humble. Isn't that a good thing? I believe it is.
I'll also point out that I disagree with Forest Capp's interpretation of the movie: It's not about lashing out. It's not about emotional reactions trumping rational thought. There is a healthy way to express yourself, keeping your emotions bottled up with lead to them exploding like a volcano (When Elsa said "That's enough!" and let her power show) but if you're able to accept yourself and express them in a healthy way, you can work through your problems. Honestly, that's a healthy lesson for any man, it's not just for ice princesses.
@@CreativeUsernameEh
Beauty and the Beast did it better.
Beast ate consequence after consequence for his character faults until he was able to leave behind the more negative aspects of himself and atone for his wretched past. Elsa only comes to accept herself after others do all the legwork for her and that's it, bam the past is gone just let it go. They had to tack some overt evil onto Hans at the end of the movie to make him the villain instead of the hero.
Frozen blows and if I could get this diet coke open, I'd bloody well tell you why...
The eternal struggle
I was reading comments and suddenly I started listening "let ig go" from a neighbours house. I am shoked and confused xD
On another hand, Jordan Peterson would really love Treasure Planet.
The movie is a coming-of-age story about a troubled teen with an absent father figure who left him at an early age but a proper father figure helps him chart his course and mature.
0:45 wait until Jordan Peterson discovers anime girls
So hentai is a religious experience?
@@nicktorr7888 Religious Fapping
Lol...Levi man🤣🤣
I saw the thumbnail and immediately thought of FROZEN. Worst movie ever.
How It Should Have Ended nailed it
Lol Same. Was like, "I swear it's gonna be frozen 😂."
*lookin for the hammer*
@@afriend9428
*How It Should Have Ended* is a YT channel
@@russianagent9175 *OMG!* I’m in the wrong polls then. 🙃
I love the gestures he uses when he mentions the dominance hierarchy.
My main takeaway from Frozen. Shirk your responsibilities and get praised for it.
The kingdom of Frozen is filled with mindless drones. Elsa directly put them in danger and then summarily abandons them, yet constantly gets praise for her self validation (her "coming out" if you will).
Anna then passes that responsibility over to Hans. Hans gives out blankets, cares for the well-being of the populace and is then made into the villian. The best thing that could happen to that kingdom is Anna and Elsa being killed off and replaced with a more competent ruler.
Same problem with Moana. Her Grandmother's ghost is like "well, at least you tried. I shouldn't have put all that weight on your shoulders." Like, did you forget that the village is starving or something?
7:53 the failure in me is offended but the artist in me is very amused
I disagree Prof. Peterson. The worst Disney Movie, if we're talking about the animated ones, by far was Chicken Little. And here's why: The main premise behind Chicken Little was that Chicken Little became a pariah in his town because when it was time for his dad to back him up on his claim that the sky was falling, his dad basically told everyone he was crazy. That was the WORST thing for Buck Cluck to do. And yet the movie plays out as if we're supposed to sympathize with Buck Cluck, as in "Oh he just doesn't know what he's doing." Basic decency and not making your son into a public pariah would have been good. Then throughout the rest of the film, his love and acceptance for his son is practically conditional, suddenly when Chicken Little is a baseball star, NOW his father gives his love back. So on top of what is already a ridiculous non-sensical, cynical story, most Disney movies at least have a good soundtrack right? Good, catchy musical numbers? Well, nope, Chicken Little just uses Bare-Naked Ladies. And frankly if this was a straight to DVD movie, I'd be more forgiving, much like most people are of straight to video movies, but no, this was released in theaters, thus I can't forgive Chicken Little in the slightest, while I can at least give Frozen a pass for having breathtaking animation and good, catchy musical numbers and at least a story that makes sense, even if I don't agree with whatever the Postmodernist ideology that Disney has been trying to push lately.
There are so much Disney movies worst than Frozen.
Stonestream Dubs he probably never watched that monster because if he did he would’ve mentioned it.
Miguel Gonzalez Agreed.
Negative, Chicken Little to it's most moot point is a movie about a father who thinks he knows better than his kid. Literally every single human who has a father figure will have this issue at some point in their life.
You didnt stop to think for a second "hey maybe im projecting here?" before you sat down and wrote that comment? Idk what your relationship with your dad is like but it seems like it needs some attention.
Always learn so much from Jordan Peterson videos!
I like how he says an interesting line, like he's teasing you with a new thought, then goes on to explain it
“With great power comes great responsibility.” -Benjamin Parker
M P Ya don’t say
The idea is that Elsa has power but has no responsibility for what she did
"You can say exactly what frozen is about so its propaganda"... I may not be understanding him here but it seems to me that Peterson is asserting that anything with a strong central message, regardless of the content of the message, is propaganda. I have always been under the impression that propaganda has a negative connotation and his use of it indicates that he believes the values portrayed by the film are harmful or bad or extreme. As far as I can tell the message of the film is that familial love is just as important and powerful as romantic love. Wether or not the film communicates this message effectively is immaterial. He also says that a true artist has no political agenda and sites Picasso's cubist portraits. Picasso also made Guernica, an overtly political commentary on the destruction of WWII. Is that piece less artisticly valid because it is politically motivated? I just dont understand his logic here.
He has no lógic here, he gets mad when he sees a film that has a political agenda he strongly disagrees with... Every Disney movie is political and idiologised.
God i love ur transparency and acknowledgment within yourself i wish that more people would do that , Respect
You look like a total cliché.
The word “Propaganda” has negative a connotation only because of the way it’s commonly used today. It technically just means “literature plainly written to attempt to persuade the consumer to espouse the author’s position.” It is basically just very pointed and direct persuasion. So in that sense propaganda could be valuable in specific circumstances, but most modern examples have been negative. And while it has the potential to be good, there’s something very dangerous about saying “you need to think like this,” especially if the arguments are not supported by good research and logic. You see that a lot when people try to appeal to a population’s emotion rather than reason, and unfortunately it often works because most people don’t understand epistemology.
I loved that the prince proved himself to be an asshole in Frozen and tgat a working class guy was the object of affection. That possibility of unwarranted betrayal is something I wish I’d learned at a much younger age. It would have prevented unnecessary self blame when men were predatory.
Jordan is like should write philosophical books, I think he has a potential to create new waves of philosophy. He is genius and underrated.
"The Mystery of Picasso" is the movie he was referencing
It's funny how "honest trailer" did a good job to point out the ideology of this movie.
Gonna have to watch that.
Hope all is well with you Dr. Peterson
The association of the spirits with wind, tied with the idea of the body as a dissipative structure like a hurricane--just brilliant.
Thank you. I appreciate your mind and communication.
I wish he'd gotten more into the specifics. I feel like Frozen displayed a lot of the values he's been talking about. Elsa learns personal responsibility for all the damage she can do with a little help from a loved one to "check her madness" or whatever. Am I missing something?
Every time I rewatch one of his lectures, I realize how much of his teachings I have missed... he has so much to say..
I'm so glad he is doing better these days.
The strange mix of logical conclusions from unprovable beliefs and preconceptions is disconcerting.
I’d love to hear Dr. Peterson share his thoughts on Banksy
I am an artist and I can absolutely confirm that my best work is when i start just scribbling and then discover shapes and forms from the scribbles and develop the picture from trial.
Same here. I write. Scribble on notebook. Then it grows on the laptop. 1 paragraph becomes a page.
"just cause you're a failure doesn't mean you're an artist" as a drummer I can confirm this 😭
"Just because you are a failure,that doesn't mean you are an artist!"!
"A real artist doesn't know what they're doing" I feel better now.
Nobody gonna comment on how blue his hair looks here? Ok fine.
tom kenny thank you! I thought I was loosing my mind.....lol
Barbara Bonnette lol, me too haha
Yeah someone ended up saying the projector gave him sjw hair
tom kenny , it DOES look blue! Good call.
Chromatic aberration.
This has to be the weirdest advertisement for Peps Max I've ever seen.
What was the movie from Picasso you recommended ?