Super Mario RPG: Complete Analysis Series

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  • @uanime1
    @uanime1 7 лет назад +25

    Regarding the sealed door one of the nearby NPCs says they heard something about a crystal and another says a crystal is just a shiny stone. So the game does hint where you can use the shiny stone.

  • @StevenLaityMusic
    @StevenLaityMusic 6 лет назад +10

    21:08 - You simply think of star hill as a finale to the booster phase (where no star was obtained) which leads into the sunken ship phase.

    • @bizznick444joe7
      @bizznick444joe7 Год назад

      Star Hill is the rest point between two halves of the game. Things really start picking up after Star Hill so it's not a sign they were getting lazy. You can always bet on anything made by Square or Nintendo not getting boring in endgame which lot of games have an issue of becoming.

  • @JacobOlli
    @JacobOlli 7 лет назад +14

    I wish we could get a remake of this game for Switch

  • @jgcooper
    @jgcooper 7 лет назад +35

    i'd be interested in seeing comparisons between Mario RPG and Paper Mario

    • @V0ID115
      @V0ID115 7 лет назад +7

      What about the Mario & Luigi games? They are wonderful rpgs, if you ask me

    • @Bardockssj2003
      @Bardockssj2003 4 года назад

      @@V0ID115 yep except for paper jam why because at least the other games in the series had original ideas but this one just sticks with the whole Mario formula no original characters nothing

    • @zeaferjones1404
      @zeaferjones1404 Год назад

      The thing is Mario 64 took inspiration from Mario RPG for example Jolly Rodger Bay is similar to the Sunken Ship in Mario RPG and Mario punching things in general. While Mario Galaxy and Paper Mario are completely different games.

  • @fireflocs
    @fireflocs 5 лет назад +11

    Stop judging Mallow based on his phys damage, and start judging him based on his spells.

  • @gosnooky
    @gosnooky 4 года назад +7

    I play this game over and over again. I've even printed out (yes, on paper) online fan-written walkthroughs from the late 90's till recently as reference while I play, each has a different strategy (which characters to use for boss battles, which accessories to wear in certain areas), which means each time I play I get a unique experience. And I always grind early and often so I'm maxed at level 30 by the end. Best game ever written, the dialog, the music and general tone.

    • @Mr.G_717
      @Mr.G_717 3 года назад

      Just got done playing for like the 35th time lol

  • @Khalith
    @Khalith 7 лет назад +17

    My interpretation of Star Hill is as follows:
    The whole point of the zone and the wishes you can read is to show you all of the wishes of the different people of the world and everything that you're fighting in restoring the Star Road so that it can continue to make wishes come true. Then after you've explored it and seen the wishes of the world with a new understanding of what you're fighting for, they give you the star as a final gift. Granting your wish/desire so that you can give wishes back to the rest of the world.
    All of that solely done through gameplay alone. Take it as you will!

    • @cachotognax3600
      @cachotognax3600 7 лет назад

      Khalith I think he meant that if this was the intention, they should have removed combat entirely for that zone, not just remove the boss but leave random enemies.

    • @readyorgormotti4714
      @readyorgormotti4714 5 лет назад +1

      Honestly, that'd be a nice setpiece if it was like a cutscene where the party just walks around listening to wishes before encountering the Star Piece.

    • @bizznick444joe7
      @bizznick444joe7 Год назад

      @@cachotognax3600 I would believe the enemy encounters are there so you can get a feel with now your full party of 5 including Toadstool while not throwing other things to distract you like platforming, bosses and puzzles. You can also know when to switch your characters as that is a tactic you can use in the next dungeons that were going to be much longer than previously before. As games should be the starting areas in the game are easy, short while the next half it starts raising the difficulty.

  • @readyorgormotti4714
    @readyorgormotti4714 7 лет назад +10

    Why couldn't there be a star piece in the cake? It would be funny, it would get rid of the terrible star hill, and would give a reason for why the cake is alive!

    • @GameSoup
      @GameSoup  7 лет назад +2

      Good call! I hope they remake the game with that implemented!It won;t happen, though ;_; -joe

    • @readyorgormotti4714
      @readyorgormotti4714 5 лет назад

      @@TheRealBatabii
      Star Hill isn't really a breather considering all the annoying enemies and the short length of the level. Not to mention they just had you go get a large dialogue sequence (well, large relative to the length of dialogue in this game at least) back in the Mushroom Kingdom.

  • @christopherbronson3275
    @christopherbronson3275 7 лет назад +22

    I really do love and appreciate these long form analysis style videos. Thank you for the effort you put into them!

  • @Bardockssj2003
    @Bardockssj2003 2 года назад +2

    Ahh Super Mario RPG what a awsome game well i don't think it's flawless I still think it's a better game then Earthbound (now I know that people will roast me for saying that but it's my opinion at the end of the day if you love Earthbound then that's awesome, Great even but I am not a Earthbound fan I love Mother 3 the most because Lucas is my favorite character but Still I am not a Earthbound or Mother fan in my opinion Super Mario RPG is better then Earthbound) hew that was a mouth full but that's just what I think of Earthbound in general it's not terrible or awful at all but I just think Earthbound gets overhyped and talked about alot it kind of reminds me of Naruto when people like to overhyped that anime again I am not saying that Earthbound or Naruto are bad series it's just people overhyped them to much that's all. Super Mario RPG is kind a underrated when it comes to RPG now I know people don't like this game and that's fine anyways that's all I have to say
    Have a fantastic day.

  • @etherraichu
    @etherraichu 7 лет назад +4

    I dont mind the level squish. But I also don't mind high levels. One of my favorite series is the Disgaea series. turn based tactical RPGs that go ridiculously over the top in every regard. These games have a level "cap" of 9,999. Of course that's not the real cap, because you can reincarnate. This drops you back to level 1, but also gives you a number of bonus points to put into your base stats., based on what level you were when you reincarnated. Since stat improvement isb ased off of base stats, this is a very big deal.
    you do this so many times. For the hardest content, of which there is infinite, your level will probably be around 9,999 * 45. Of course, this has the downside of making a single level meaningless. By the end, you'll be able to gain several hundred levels from not just a single battle, but from executing a single move.
    That, of course, depends on if you deide to do the literally endless extra content. f you just want to play the main game's story line, you'll probably get to level 90-ish.

  • @bizznick444joe7
    @bizznick444joe7 Год назад +1

    25:40 Looking at how that path is constructed it seems you can accidentally stumble upon that invisible path when you're heading up to that house's door.
    Also I remember the special pillow you can purchase in the Nimbus Inn that gives you dreams when you sleep. Sounds familiar? Probably a nod to Shadow's dreams from FF6. Lot of SMRPG is just about being fun not about grinding.

  • @scottcomer2495
    @scottcomer2495 6 лет назад +3

    I feel like the sliding mechanic in pipe vault is an importabt call baclk to the more traditional 2d mario games. Every player remembers having to run and press down to slide under blocks and this portion of pipe vault reminds the character that although this game is different in many ways it's still a mario game.

  • @tonyrigatoni766
    @tonyrigatoni766 6 лет назад +2

    Don't get me wrong: I love super mario RPG. I agree with all the praise you've given to the game's design. I just want to add that many later games by nintendo took all the concepts from mario RPG and made them even more polished, balanced, and interesting. Here were some of my favorites: mario and Luigi, superstar saga, paper mario, and paper mario: the thousand year door. All of those games have timed battle mechanics, positive-or-neutral RNG, and overworlds with nice platforming (I always found the platforming from an isometric view in mario RPG to be a bit clumsy). Personally, I think those games are more fun to play than mario RPG and actually makes mario RPG feel a bit dated. Still, it's really important to recognize the roots of this sub-genre, and mario RPG will always hold a special place in my heart :)

  • @bizznick444joe7
    @bizznick444joe7 Год назад +1

    SMRPG has a lot of music related mini games as well like the Composer part that gets you cards at the juice bar. Mallow's cymbals and of course the kickass music score it had especially final battle music. You can tell the people that made this were musically gifted.

  • @RubenZCrazy89
    @RubenZCrazy89 5 лет назад +2

    I swear sometimes I time X and I usually get a freebie

  • @IVIUT3D
    @IVIUT3D 4 года назад +1

    RPGs today put the skill system too forward and drop the story depth to make up for development time on confounded systems. Super Mario RPG kept it simple while still making it engaging.

  • @AlexanderQ689
    @AlexanderQ689 7 лет назад +17

    The shell game actually isn't in your favour.
    1/3 x2 exp, 1/3 x1 exp, 1/3 x0 exp will break even on average over many runs

    • @GameSoup
      @GameSoup  6 лет назад +3

      You are correct, we screwed up here. It would be a lot of work to change the actual video and re-up it, so I am pinning this comment to highlight our misinformation here. Thanks! -Joe

    • @AlexanderQ689
      @AlexanderQ689 6 лет назад

      Game Soup Thanks : )
      I noticed a typo though (a double 1), so I'm fixing that now

    • @DrKeez
      @DrKeez 2 года назад

      You have an equal chance of doubling up or losing it all. But you would need to lose twice to offset every win and equal a zero sum as you described. So technically, the narrator was correct. From a statistical standpoint, you are better off playing the game since your 3rd possible outcome is the same sum as not playing it.

    • @AlexanderQ689
      @AlexanderQ689 2 года назад

      @@DrKeez If I bet x & win I get 2x. If I play again betting x & lose I'm left with the original x I started with. One loss offsets one win.

  • @aidengoodchild
    @aidengoodchild 6 лет назад +2

    Got an snes classic for Christmas. Gonna start a new game of Mario RPG. I play through this game on and off through the years since it came out. Feels kinda weird playing in pixel perfect mode. Since Nintendo and Square Enix are working together again.... maybe there's hope for a true sequel.

  •  7 лет назад +7

    This game is a jewel~

  • @BabyCharmander
    @BabyCharmander 5 лет назад +1

    This was a really fascinating watch--I've played this game more than any other game, but still somehow learned stuff here.
    Kinda hilarious to me though 'cuz as a kid, I could never properly dodge attacks, and never used Princess Toadstool at all. I would use Mario, Bowser, and Geno (whom I always gave the attack bonus on each levelup, never anything else), fill my inventory with Pick-Me-Ups (and whatever offensive items I got like Rock Candy), and just plow through everything. On most playthroughs I would grind to level 30 (I don't remember how, but I'm wondering if I used that save/star trick that was mentioned late in the video, since I do remember doing that). ...I should also note that I was 7 when I played (and subsequently beat) the game for the first time.
    What's amazing to me about all that in spite of all the depth of combat--all the factors mentioned in this video--the entire game was still simple enough for 7-year-old me to understand and complete.
    This game remains to this day one of my absolute most favorite games of all time and holds a special place in my heart for a variety of reasons. This was a great video analyzing it--fantastic work.

  • @UnityComplexx
    @UnityComplexx 3 года назад +1

    u missed the experience of starhill

  • @nothingtoseehere6142
    @nothingtoseehere6142 6 лет назад +1

    Bitch, Star Hill is awesome!

  • @jan-seli
    @jan-seli 5 лет назад +1

    11:11
    Thats not how stats work. 1/3 is 0, 1/3 is 1, 1/3 is 2, that averages out to a no change at all. Unless you can meaningfully track it.

  • @fuzziewuzzy12
    @fuzziewuzzy12 2 года назад +1

    I thought the get a freebie thing was for timed uses.

  • @AzuMentch36
    @AzuMentch36 7 лет назад +2

    I really like the comprehensive breakdown and analysis on one of the best RPGs ever made. As somebody who doesn't mind random encounters, you've made a really good point how this system is much better and straightforward than the various stats behind even Final Fantasy 6/3. This is one of those RPGs that every RPG creators should look as an example! Oh, and hidden bosses too. :)

  • @Jaigarful
    @Jaigarful 7 лет назад +1

    I remember spending 6 hours back in 4th grade trying to get the super jacket (100 hit super jump). Got it though.

  • @bizznick444joe7
    @bizznick444joe7 Год назад

    RPGs that are good examples of good RPGs.
    1. Daggerfall
    2. Gothic series
    3. Super Mario RPG
    4. Final Fantasy 6
    5. Skyrim
    6. Morrowind
    7. Chrono Trigger
    8. Breath of Fire 3
    9. Arx Fatalis
    10. Final Fantasy 9
    11. Final Fantasy 7
    12. Dark Souls 1, 2, 3
    13. Elden Ring
    14. Secret of Mana 3
    15. Breath of Fire 2
    16. Breath of Fire 1

  • @xpdev0
    @xpdev0 6 месяцев назад

    In the remake, Damage is boosted thanks to Combos, not just Damage Values
    This, and their Final Attack
    The Super Jump is slightly slower in the remake

  • @DaBTEDI
    @DaBTEDI 7 лет назад +6

    oh one of my top rpg ever

    • @DaBTEDI
      @DaBTEDI 7 лет назад

      yup gonna play it again this weekend. thx game soup

    • @DaBTEDI
      @DaBTEDI 7 лет назад

      also, you ever play legend of dragoon? timed hits galore

  • @timothymclean
    @timothymclean 7 лет назад +1

    I can't help but wonder how the Mario RPG developers would react to time travelers offering them a tenfold increase in resources to develop their game. Especially once they find out all the things we didn't use the time machine to do. ("We get that you like our game, but couldn't you have at least told everyone in Fukushima to move out before 2011?")

  • @UnicornStorm
    @UnicornStorm 7 лет назад +1

    Always great to find a channel that does high quality longform videos! thx ^.^

  • @nicholaswillcox
    @nicholaswillcox 6 лет назад

    I really love this video. A complete analytical breakdown of Super Mario RPG.
    I recently started an indie game-dev project to make a game similar to this in the same style....Project Quest: facebook.com/projectQuest/
    Thank you for providing such amazing insight and a wonderfully detailed breakdown of this classic game.

  • @unparalleledgame1542
    @unparalleledgame1542 7 лет назад +1

    Another great long form analysis soup kids. All the information was presented very nicely.
    Also been following Game Soup channel for a while now and your Glass Breaker prototype looks awesome. It's come a long way. Watch out for that fucking mayor he's a jerk.

  • @bizznick444joe7
    @bizznick444joe7 Год назад

    Bowser = Monk/Berserker
    Mario = Monk
    Peach = White Mage
    Mallow = Black Mage
    Geno = Red Mage

  • @bizznick444joe7
    @bizznick444joe7 Год назад

    Also how you select status effect resistance is important. It's okay for Mallow to turn into a scarecrow because he's still a force to be reckoned with using magic. Bowser though you should get the Trueform Pin to avoid that but instead it's okay for him to be Muted. Have Mallow wear a Wake Up pin to avoid the mute effect on the other hand. At the same time you don't want Bowser to get feared either.

  • @joshuafranklin5636
    @joshuafranklin5636 3 года назад

    I know this comment is pointless do to the age of this video.
    But, I never knew the fact that Jump increased in damage after uses and that you could time hit Toadstool's magic heals. So thanks.
    I played this game well over a dozen times and I never grind but always got each character to 30.
    One finally note, how dare you insult the pure sweet innocent cinnamon roll that is Mallow.

  • @bizznick444joe7
    @bizznick444joe7 Год назад

    As a kid I didn't know about the stars you can read on Star Hill. As an adult I discover them and blown away. So yeah as a kid if I saw those stars I would think Star Hill is one of the best places in the game. Star Hill signifies the end of the first half of the game, you can think of it as remission, recess from all the craziness in the game. I mean it's not a sign that the developers were getting lazy either usually games show how lazy they get near the end but with Seaside Town and the sunken ship and Jonathon Jones it was well worth the rest before seeing some amazing shit there. So shows Star Hill could just be left there for you to relax with your now full 5 man party.

  • @bizznick444joe7
    @bizznick444joe7 Год назад

    Only time I used Bowser's specials is to take out the dry bones enemies. But sometimes as a AoE in case I don't use Mallow or Geno. I've heard somewhere someone built up Bowser for pure magic damage though not sure how that goes. I did that as a kid. I think the main reason was to give Bowser more magic defense because magic damage wasn't something you can time against. I guess I wasn't such a stupid kid after all.

  • @niboe1312
    @niboe1312 7 лет назад +2

    I played this game for the first time when I was a very small child. I was all the way through bandit's way, fighting the purple yoshi who's name slips me. However I could not defeat him, because I sucked at games. Because I was defeated so bad, I figured I'd have to grind a lot to get strong enough. I set a goal for myself: I'll fight him again when both Mario and Mallow have at least 150 max hp. Believe it or not, I actually did grind up to that level, whatever it was, and fight the dude. I don't remember how long it took with much precision, but it took a long time. Way longer than I'd have the patience for today.
    To my surprise (at the time), I beat him with tremendous ease and in fact had no difficulty clearing the entire game from that point onward. Actually I might have gotten stuck at Smithy's castle and beat that part of the game much later in my life. I don't remember for certain. Did I ever even actually beat Smithy's castle? I might have just watched my older sister do it. It's been years since I've played it. I need to revisit it some time and find the many secrets I missed. Especially the Monster Town ones. Maybe I'll finally find out where the place between "O" and "A" is.

    • @ryandaniels2607
      @ryandaniels2607 3 года назад +1

      Yo'ster Isle, finish line. The word on the ground there is GOAL.

  • @BenRitter
    @BenRitter 9 месяцев назад

    In retrospect, Star Hill is the reward for completing the Booster arc. The Booster arc does not provide a star on its own.

  • @bizznick444joe7
    @bizznick444joe7 Год назад

    Star Hill was more or less a lore specific place where you read the wishes. Very nice easter eggs there. I feel like Star Hill is just there to cut you a break and ease you into understanding how to use Toadstool

  • @bizznick444joe7
    @bizznick444joe7 Год назад

    Jonathon Jones was a video game character that told me what a real man was supposed to be.

  • @blazeuchiha2169
    @blazeuchiha2169 3 года назад

    Legend of Dragoon took timed attacks and made them better with its addition system imo

  • @bizznick444joe7
    @bizznick444joe7 Год назад

    14:16 even the hills look like it's based on the first mario game

  • @bizznick444joe7
    @bizznick444joe7 Год назад

    The game really felt like one big carnival or arcade

  • @IVIUT3D
    @IVIUT3D 4 года назад

    I never did the slide as a kid, had no idea that was a thing that could be done.

  • @warioland523
    @warioland523 5 лет назад

    I like to see the Star Piece on Star Hill similar to the Crystal Star for Chapter 6 in Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door. What I mean by this is you already beat the major boss for this star but you are going through a small section after the boss to get the star. In this case the boss in question was the Marrymore boss fight. It was in a way a 3 part boss fight. You begin fighting the 2 chefs while you attack the cake. Then the cake comes alive and you fight the top portion having to put all the candles out before they relight by constantly wailing on the boss and not wasting your turns. The final phase has you fighting the lower part of the cake in a more traditional boss battle. Star Hill was more like a breather after that boss to get it's Star Piece by going through a mini stage. TTYD did something similar. You fought Smorg who is the boss for the 6th Crystal Star but he doesn't give you it when you defeat him. Instead you arrive at Poshley Heights then go through a 2 room mini-dungeon in the form of Poshley Sanctum and solve it's small puzzle and you get the Crystal Star proper.

  • @smiauu
    @smiauu 7 лет назад +1

    one of the most finest channels on youtube

  • @stevester9148
    @stevester9148 4 года назад

    I also cleared the 3D maze in a a few seconds when I was a kid. And by ''clear'' I mean spammed the jumped button and radomly going in any direction with the control pad.

  • @aleedocious
    @aleedocious 7 лет назад +1

    booster tower is so memorable

  • @DecayedPony
    @DecayedPony 5 лет назад

    Star hill is another world, and the fact it feels so different only makes it feel so Alien.

  • @AceoftheVidz
    @AceoftheVidz 7 лет назад

    What's the game in the bottom right corner during the opening scene? The one with the arms with their respective Lvl.

  • @notoriouswhitemoth
    @notoriouswhitemoth 7 лет назад

    Are the freebies random? I was under the impression they're timed - that's how it felt to me, anyway.

  • @UmbreonMessiah
    @UmbreonMessiah 7 лет назад +2

    Son did you shit on Star Hill? I will fight you :|
    But nah, great job man!

  • @marioluigijam3612
    @marioluigijam3612 6 лет назад

    Did you just gain a new sub for this awesome analysis of a great game? Yes u did!!

  • @GaminRiolu
    @GaminRiolu 7 лет назад

    I love the mario rpg series, from this to paper jam, they're all fun.

  • @acctigers1981
    @acctigers1981 5 лет назад

    how sure are you get a freebie isn't a timed thing?

  • @justice7788
    @justice7788 5 лет назад

    I just finished playing this for the first time

  • @etherraichu
    @etherraichu 7 лет назад

    So that's how you get that damn coin.

    • @Mr.G_717
      @Mr.G_717 3 года назад

      Time stamp ?

  • @coleminer8847
    @coleminer8847 4 года назад

    If our good enough, you don’t need to look at the animation for attacks
    In Mario and Luigi, I once mastered the jumps to the point I didn’t need to look at the screen

  • @bizznick444joe7
    @bizznick444joe7 Год назад

    There's no such thing as a "minigame" there's just a game and that minigame is part of it.

  • @WandererEris
    @WandererEris 7 лет назад +1

    This game was never released here in the UK, so I've never played it. I've played Paper Mario, though, so I'm sure I'd enjoy this game (even if the art style is a little bad in my opinion).

    • @dtothee8730
      @dtothee8730 7 лет назад +5

      Oh boy. Those are two VERY DIFFERENT GAMES. Both are good but Super Mario RPG is just on another level.