Why is Great Bay Temple's Music in Majora's Mask so Unsettling?

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  • Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
  • Great Bay Temple is easily one of the least favorite dungeons in Majora's Mask if not the entire Zelda franchise. Players often find themselves getting lost in its underwater labyrinths or run out magic. But just what purpose does Great Bay Temple serve, what can we learn about its design, and what techniques did Koji Kondo use in creating the music for it. I present to you the next in our Zelda Dungeon Analysis Series: Why is Great Bay Temple's Music in Majora's Mask so Unsettling?
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  • @SaveDataTeam
    @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +236

    What do you think about Great Bay Temple's music? And what do you think about the temple in general? Tell us about it below!
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    • @les5503
      @les5503 3 года назад +10

      Watching these videos actually got me to watch a full playthrough of Majora’s Mask for the first time. Great Bay is my favorite area, I love the story and characters leading up to it ❤️ so happy you’re continuing to make these. Please don’t stop! Planning on watching some of the other videos on the channel when I’m not working so much.

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +8

      Thank you so much! 😅 We’ll keep making them, so don’t worry!

    • @callmeravenlee1972
      @callmeravenlee1972 3 года назад

      I’d advise against premieres. RUclips for some reason doesn’t promote them after the initial airing so the views on this video might be less than what it deserves.

    • @PedroMansilhaBranco
      @PedroMansilhaBranco 3 года назад +1

      I never finished majoras mask do yee

    • @pedrosimoes3899
      @pedrosimoes3899 3 года назад +3

      I love the Great Bay Temple, one of the best dungeons of the franchise in my opinion. The music is very good too, even better with the mechanical sounds of the gears!

  • @AFlyingCoconut
    @AFlyingCoconut 3 года назад +1710

    Me, a child, terrified of open and deep water: "Boy what a spooky beach. I'm sure glad I don't have to swim out in that"
    Zora, clueless: "Yo find my eggs I think they be out at sea, deep underwater protected by colossal sea monsters that can swallow you whole"

    • @HuggableLoveablePlushies
      @HuggableLoveablePlushies 3 года назад +101

      Thalassophobia is a bitch. It really hit me hard when I went to discover that UFO Easter egg in GTA5. For this game, I got stuck after Snow Mountain and never had the chance to give this temple a shot, ahaha. Kind of glad.

    • @starman1004
      @starman1004 3 года назад +47

      I have thalassophobia too, but interestingly I played this game as a kid and never really got freaked out by the sea snakes (maybe a little bit the first time). Most of the time you can see the bottom of the sea floor so it's not as bad.
      Now when we talk about GTA 5 and the empty ocean void, that is a WHOLE different story...

    • @IssunEmbersong
      @IssunEmbersong 3 года назад +30

      As someone that has never really been able to swim due to fear of deep water/drowning, being able to turn into an agile fish-person that can breathe underwater was actually pretty liberating for me~
      It honestly felt like I had transcended my stupid fear and I was free! :D
      Though Pinnacle Rock still got to me a little but not because of the snakes (they just looked kinda goofy to me, like the eel from Jolly Roger Bay), more because it's just a big ol' hole in the ocean floor with tunnels that could prevent ascent if I did need air.
      Being able to see the ocean floor most of the time helped to, if it just kept getting deeper to the point where you couldn't, I don't think turning into a Zora would have had the same effect and I'd start getting freaked out.

    • @PokemonBread
      @PokemonBread 3 года назад +19

      That area, the eel in Super Mario 64, and the catfish from Ape Escape were the bane of my childhood.

    • @G0m3rion
      @G0m3rion 3 года назад +6

      I only played Majora in my n3ds once and that was when I was 16, EVEN THEN I was terrified to go into the sea. :D

  • @F-Lambda
    @F-Lambda 3 года назад +698

    The funny thing about this dungeon being so confusing, is that it's actually very linear if you already know where to go (hint: follow the pipes!)

    • @Tazerboy_10
      @Tazerboy_10 3 года назад +2

      @@bastienlafleur5838 That's an interesting theory...

    • @reasonlessguru3724
      @reasonlessguru3724 3 года назад +72

      Right? I remember being so frustrated with Great Bay Temple as a kid, but replaying it as an adult was really pretty simple. I found it much easier to navigate than Snowhead Temple.

    • @SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333
      @SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333 3 года назад +25

      Linear means you can only do most everything in one particular order without any real variation. This dungeon is not linear.

    • @muraalia
      @muraalia 3 года назад +28

      Weirdly, the first time I played it I breezed through, just following the pipes everything seemed to flow in a perfectly logical way from one room to the next. Then my sister played and was super confused and frustrated, my advice "follow the water flow" didn't seem to be of much help. Sometimes things click and sometimes they don't, I guess.
      (I've had my share of confused troubles at Great Bay on some later playthroughs though. Maybe it was luck the first time.)

    • @Manas-co8wl
      @Manas-co8wl 3 года назад +12

      I don't know, I don't remeber this temple being this hard. Maybe I should play again (hey maybe I SHOULD play again..)

  • @NyscanRohid
    @NyscanRohid 3 года назад +458

    It seems to me, the music is designed to make you feel like you're trying to defuse a bomb, and the bomb is the size of small factory. The combined sounds are there to tell you, _"Try_ not to get lost," and, "You're running out of time."

    • @nickgarcia610
      @nickgarcia610 2 года назад +14

      Honestly this would fit super well for the narrative of the game being that you’re always running out of time no matter what you do.

    • @johnpett1955
      @johnpett1955 2 года назад +6

      And people thought the water temple from ooc was intimidating.

    • @hyronvalkinson1749
      @hyronvalkinson1749 Год назад +4

      Oh my God imagine a video game where you have Ant-Man's powers and your job is a bomb defuser. This is an amazing concept where each bomb you defuse grants you power-ups like bigger growth, smaller shrinking, short-distance teleportation, electrical and pyrometric absorption and infusion, nuclear radiation manipulation, and temporal manipulation.

    • @Nombrenooriginal
      @Nombrenooriginal Год назад +2

      @@johnpett1955 who the hell said that? The water temple is just confusing

    • @battle00333
      @battle00333 10 месяцев назад +2

      While each of the temple songs have the "Something is wrong here" vibe. Great bay in particular to me, also feels like it has this "Something is broken, thing's arent working right" followed by "you're running out of time, fix what's wrong while you still can"

  • @Yet_another_placeholder
    @Yet_another_placeholder 3 года назад +656

    Koji Kondo is clearly a genius. Not many can make something that sounds this nasty yet so beautiful at the same time

    • @skittles536
      @skittles536 3 года назад +9

      Shoji meguro: hold my mask

    • @asmongoldsmouth9839
      @asmongoldsmouth9839 3 года назад +6

      Trent Reznor.

    • @skittles536
      @skittles536 3 года назад

      @@asmongoldsmouth9839 what music did he write?

    • @seaman_de_man
      @seaman_de_man 3 года назад +4

      @@skittles536 he's the frontman of nine inch nails, incredible band

    • @feyternerdworld
      @feyternerdworld 3 года назад +1

      It's like the actors that are playing the bad guys or unsympathetic A-holes.
      Playing the nice and friendly guy is easy, that's something everyone traines everyday.

  • @aprinnyonbreak1290
    @aprinnyonbreak1290 3 года назад +449

    "These sounds and rhythms are unsettling and make the player uncomfortable"
    Feels like home, man.

  • @118Link
    @118Link 3 года назад +252

    I never thought of the music as being unsettling, to me it just gave it an industrial busy feeling.

    • @theseabear3008
      @theseabear3008 3 года назад +7

      Did you happen to find the shadow temple unsettling from OOT?

    • @118Link
      @118Link 3 года назад +15

      @@theseabear3008 yes, very.

    • @ext93
      @ext93 3 года назад +5

      Same, it's one of my favorite temples and songs anyway.

  • @samuelfernandes9202
    @samuelfernandes9202 3 года назад +919

    CAN'T WAIT FOR STONE TOWER

    • @cobracommander6522
      @cobracommander6522 3 года назад +11

      Same.

    • @erixn.
      @erixn. 3 года назад +20

      Dude I just listened to the Stone Tower song when this one came recommended

    • @madlikov747
      @madlikov747 3 года назад +5

      Same

    • @robert5654
      @robert5654 3 года назад +7

      Same I love stone tower temple

    • @Aegisworn
      @Aegisworn 3 года назад +12

      Definitely my favorite zelda dungeon music

  • @MochaMochaHeart
    @MochaMochaHeart 3 года назад +212

    This temple music was never unsettling to me growing up, it was actually very addictive and I would always get it stuck in my head! The drums with that clang are so funny, that's all I remember about that temple is the big rooms and drums and CLANG. I feel like a modern remix could really capture an unsettling, grungy, moody theme of an old water factory in a remote location.

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +16

      The beat of this song is definitely great. I can definitely jam with this!

  • @JoeMajewski
    @JoeMajewski 3 года назад +404

    Did I just find a hidden gem RUclips channel? This is excellent.

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +31

      We're glad you found us!

    • @just.chumbo
      @just.chumbo 3 года назад +5

      They’re so underrated;-;

    • @hylianro
      @hylianro 3 года назад +4

      Yeah fr so glad they got recommended to me

    • @supremechaosbeing2696
      @supremechaosbeing2696 3 года назад +2

      if you’re looking for more high quality small channels try Challenger Andy. he puts himself through so many videogame hardships. this guy beat some anime game without weapons i can’t really describe it well but he tries hard

  • @dennisdesormier6886
    @dennisdesormier6886 3 года назад +311

    I'm surprised that you totally missed something REALLY important in the music - the drone pitches, which create an underlying mechanical sound that contrasts this temple with most others in the Zelda franchise before Breath of the Wild, with the exceptions you mentioned. The drone ducks out sometimes, too, which gives a very disorienting feel. And best of all, it also acts as "glue", both in terms of timbre and pitch. The drone and the chords, for example, are similar timbre. And that drone E at the top connects the chords and ripples: it's the top note of the A chord starting the chord sequence; it's the bottom note of the upward ripple; it's the reason that the downward ripple feels almost like an A chord, with a B-flat upper neighbor to the root A; and it's dissonance for the other chords of the sequence.

    • @lala20112
      @lala20112 3 года назад +30

      Odd how so many comments got a heart, but yours got skipped. Dude wasted half the video talking about nothing to hit that 10 minute mark, but missed the key ingredient when he finally tried to talk about the music. Glad someone else noticed.

    • @dennisdesormier6886
      @dennisdesormier6886 3 года назад +25

      @@lala20112 Thank you for the compliment. I do think the original poster of this analysis video points out lots of good things. I just wanted to add this important element to the analysis. My comment might be a little nerdy, as "Zach" has jokingly pointed out, but I don't care. LOL.

    • @dannyyspencerr
      @dannyyspencerr 3 года назад +16

      @@lala20112 how did he waste half of the video talking about nothing? he was actually pretty thorough i thought. the majority of the video was a music theory perspective !

    • @sweetwheatsy
      @sweetwheatsy 3 года назад +6

      @@dennisdesormier6886 Really great addition, and love that you were able to pin out a faint pitch, but it is there. That drone, as weird as it might sound, is really what makes the piece for me; like a perfect amalgamation of the natural and mechanical, a steam/piston-sounding drone, that goes in'n'out like the motions of a wave. So cool he thought to implement something like that

    • @dennisdesormier6886
      @dennisdesormier6886 3 года назад +3

      @@sweetwheatsy Thank you! Great comment! I appreciate!

  • @shaynecollier2175
    @shaynecollier2175 3 года назад +67

    While not perfect, MM has become my favorite Zelda game for all the masteries the developers exhibited with it. I still can't believe how short of a development time they had to make this good of content. Finding these treasures years later just bolsters my facisination and appreciation for this game more and more. It's a timeless masterpiece.

  • @XLatMaths
    @XLatMaths 3 года назад +104

    Part 7, the synth notes, are part of Majora's leitmotif. The second iteration really sounds like it descends to a third, F note.

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +22

      Very interesting! I'll have to look into how much this plays into a lot of songs in the game, but I suspect it is in a lot of places in the game!

    • @Saturas35142
      @Saturas35142 3 года назад +20

      @@SaveDataTeam These Chimes are also heard while defending the Farm from the aliens, there they are the main "Instrument"

    • @TheQuashingoftheTub
      @TheQuashingoftheTub 2 года назад

      There are a lot of moments in the Dungeons themes that sound eerily similar to Majora's themes. Can't think of any in Woodfall at the moment, but the chikes in Snowhead and the maij melody in Stone Tower(if you strip it down to its most basic components) feel like they're supposed to invoke Majora's presence.

  • @FreddyChoppins
    @FreddyChoppins 3 года назад +80

    What you wanted: To learn about the music of Great Bay Temple
    What you got: A greater understanding of water filtration systems
    I kid 😎
    Great video as always, man. Loving this whole series so far.

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +3

      Hey, I get it. Either way, I appreciate it!

    • @watersoluble1903
      @watersoluble1903 3 года назад

      @@SaveDataTeam Flexing on us with your water purification knowledge wired flex but ok

    • @user-rr8im1wf8m
      @user-rr8im1wf8m 3 года назад

      It says this comment was 172 years ago.

    • @jorgefraile218
      @jorgefraile218 3 года назад +1

      Holy shit Chopin I didn't know you liked Zelda!

  • @crankylink13
    @crankylink13 3 года назад +182

    This will turn out great can’t wait to see you do the stone temple and hopefully other Zelda temples as well

    • @idkshrug
      @idkshrug 3 года назад +5

      I cant wait for the Stone Tower Temple! It's my favorite dungeon and one of my favorite tracks

    • @coconut_tv0564
      @coconut_tv0564 3 года назад +2

      @@idkshrug agreed

    • @connor.sfx_
      @connor.sfx_ 3 года назад +2

      Ur pfp is my wallpaper XD

    • @crankylink13
      @crankylink13 3 года назад

      @@connor.sfx_ nice

  • @Santi-bt7if
    @Santi-bt7if 3 года назад +66

    This guy is like the english teacher of videogame music.

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +21

      Just wait till I throw my corduroy jacket over my shoulder and flip the chair around to address the class.

  • @yeshuanieto7971
    @yeshuanieto7971 3 года назад +84

    I'm looking forward to hearing about the stone tower

  • @marcgomez8391
    @marcgomez8391 3 года назад +15

    I legitimately loved this temple as a kid. It made young me go "AHA" when I figured out the puzzles, following the colored pipes like breadcrumbs and solving the puzzles in each rooms to follow the even bigger puzzle that is the whole dungeon. It made young me feel like a genius. And the music, unsettling as it may be, never bothered me. In fact I'd say I liked how appropriate it was with the "factory" theme.

  • @kirasaji
    @kirasaji 3 года назад +37

    Stone Tower Temple. So much is going on in those notes. Inverted section as well.

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +10

      There is a lot to talk about. I hope I can do it justice!

  • @yasinn9492
    @yasinn9492 3 года назад +24

    The Ancient Cistern, the Divine Beasts...
    and the trains in Spirit Tracks.

  • @ketochiesesoyyo
    @ketochiesesoyyo 3 года назад +227

    I felt as I was inside some more or less clean sewers while exploring this temple... I'm just happy the final boss wasn't a giant turd

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +50

      hahahaha, thankfully this wasn't Conker's Bad Fur Day.

    • @jaredolives1578
      @jaredolives1578 3 года назад +12

      @@SaveDataTeam Ooh. Once you’re done with the majoras’ mask music, conker’s bad fur day might be a great game to analyze the music of

    • @cobracommander6522
      @cobracommander6522 3 года назад +3

      @@SaveDataTeam LOL that is one of the best songs in Conker's Bad Fur Day.

    • @YZ-id6pj
      @YZ-id6pj 3 года назад +8

      IIIIII AM the great mighty poo! And I'm gonna thriw my shit at youuuu! xD er...no offense!

  • @ajanaya8055
    @ajanaya8055 3 года назад +53

    Gonna rewatch all the other videos in preparation for this one. Something about these videos that are therapeutic.

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +13

      Ah thank you! It means a lot!

  • @gypsy7016
    @gypsy7016 3 года назад +18

    This is the stuff I'm looking for. Alllll the little details about the temple being a water purification plant. I've played this game for years and never noticed the little safety hazard lines..

  • @kerricaine
    @kerricaine 3 года назад +34

    i'm gonna be that guy and say it: great bay temple is my favourite water dungeon in zelda and i would pick it over OOT's water temple any day.

    • @Ikkiou
      @Ikkiou 3 года назад +2

      enphasis in "water", even the best of the best water stage/level/dungeon/whatever still sucks and i cry in the shower often about it because water is my favourite element t.t

    • @skittles536
      @skittles536 3 года назад +1

      What about lakebed temple?

    • @Ikkiou
      @Ikkiou 3 года назад

      @@skittles536 touché. I was just being hyperbolic but sure there are some exeptions, the ancient cistern is awesome too but in the same game there's the flooded forest wich is not that good. The thing is not about "water based" but the water puzzles themselves, the boss from lake bed has a massive map that build so much expectations and it end up being so lame and easy

    • @zeldaenby224
      @zeldaenby224 2 года назад +1

      @@skittles536 I got stuck in lakebed and deleted my save but the boss was fun

  • @sharksuperiority9736
    @sharksuperiority9736 3 года назад +23

    Koji Kondo is secretly a chaos god

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +11

      The way he messes with time signatures and harmonies is absolutely next level.

  • @LeahTynan
    @LeahTynan 3 года назад +20

    This dungeon music series is amazing! Thank you so much for making them and breaking down the details so well. The three note segment in this one seems similar to the rhythm of the flute in Water Temple which is cool since they are both water dungeons.

  • @TakaiDesu
    @TakaiDesu 3 года назад +28

    This is how my anxiety sounds like

    • @CheshireCad
      @CheshireCad 3 года назад +2

      "Oh no! It's coming away! It's leaving right towards you! Everything about it is perfectly wrong! CLANG."

  • @djanime317
    @djanime317 3 года назад +39

    I was waiting for weeks for this video, I can’t wait to see how the music was made here 👏👏👏

  • @letshuman8985
    @letshuman8985 3 года назад +42

    Is it me or is Pinnacle Rock creepy? Those eels remind me of that eel from Mario 64.

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +10

      Like I said, I hate pinnacle rock lol. But I could just be scarred from Jolly Roger Bay.

    • @letshuman8985
      @letshuman8985 3 года назад +5

      @@SaveDataTeam yeah, the atmosphere of Pinnacle Rock alone just gives me the creeps. It's just so desolate. I immediately feel a sense of relief when I go back to shore.

    • @reasonlessguru3724
      @reasonlessguru3724 3 года назад +3

      I actually found it to be a kind of endearing callback to SM64.

    • @letshuman8985
      @letshuman8985 3 года назад +1

      @@reasonlessguru3724 maybe all the eels want to do is come out to play lol

    • @reasonlessguru3724
      @reasonlessguru3724 3 года назад +2

      @@letshuman8985 Exactly!

  • @danielpurcell7203
    @danielpurcell7203 3 года назад +23

    I think you mean “rhythmic PHASING” not phrasing. Phasing means moving in and out of sync with each other- like “phasing through a wall”

  • @psiga
    @psiga 3 года назад +5

    Great analysis, well presented. Majora has a special spot in my heart, specifically for being kinda like a bad dream that you might have from eating weird food before bed. That's an artistic accomplishment in itself.

  • @JeffreydeKogel
    @JeffreydeKogel 3 года назад +8

    As a Meshuggah fan, I approve of the unusual time-signatures and relative complexity of this song.
    I'm eagerly awaiting your video about Stone Tower Temple!

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +4

      It should be out sometime later this month!

  • @julesb.8290
    @julesb.8290 3 года назад +11

    I really liked Pinnacle Rock! 🥺 But that’s mostly just because I really connected with Mikau.

  • @TribeDownSouth
    @TribeDownSouth 3 года назад +7

    Reminds me of the music from fight scenes in Yu Yu Hakusho: uncomfortable leads but grooving and percussive melodics for suspense. I love it

  • @j2daoewhy
    @j2daoewhy Год назад +1

    I am not a music major nor did I know how to read music, but this analysis of the Great Bay Temple is freakin' awesome! 😁 this was definitely a frustrating temple but after two decades of wondering how to pass it, I finally managed to beat this temple! I would describe the music of this temple as a simple, yet complex puzzle just because you turn on or off switches but also stop it momentarily to change the direction of flow. I consider Koji Kondo a genius....probably beyond a genius. Thank you for this analysis! 😎

  • @Blakserenity
    @Blakserenity 3 года назад +5

    i actually like this song. It gives you a feeling of the impending doom that awaits if you don't restore the flow of water to the zora community. It makes you feel like you have to get it done as soon as possible. Plus with the mechanic vibe to it, and being surrounded by mechanical devices, it really puts you in the mindset that you're in some kind of factory (like you said, water purification factory). i think it's beautiful, and motivating. Also, it's a freaking water temple... ALL the water temples have been a pain in the butt in Zelda franchise.

  • @hunterbladen2806
    @hunterbladen2806 3 года назад +2

    I love how you go into backstory to these environments before hitting the music. It adds to the musical understanding.

  • @snowflakepillow8697
    @snowflakepillow8697 3 года назад +9

    Can't be around for the live stream but I'm so happy the next episode is gonna drop and looking forward to quite a few more tracks :)

  • @AlexisKende108
    @AlexisKende108 3 года назад +10

    I’m getting into music theory, and combining it with Zelda is genius! Keep it up!

  • @pietrogrisoni6078
    @pietrogrisoni6078 3 года назад +5

    Great video! That chord sequence (10:30) is indeed really clever: I hadn't thought to the exatonal scale, that's a good way to explain it. I'd also simply say that it's typical for music meant to sound "weird" to be composed putting in sequence chords which originate on near sounds (usually a tone or half distant) but are all major or minor regardless what they should be in a "diatonic situation". If done with major chords, the result can be pleasant in some circumstances, but here it sounds eerie and mysterious and a bit unsettling, as you've said in the video. However, Kondo has also used this "trick" with minor chords in one of the most remarkable tracks in Ocarina of Time: Ganon's Tower. The second part is just made of minor triads juxtaposed with a fixed pattern (going every time half a tone down and then a minor third up), so it's simple on the page, but really gloomy and striking when heard!

  • @feyternerdworld
    @feyternerdworld 3 года назад +8

    I never realized how close to a real life industrial facility this Area is. That's make the work of the Dev-Team behind even more honorable.
    Thank you for pointing this out.

  • @ajanaya8055
    @ajanaya8055 3 года назад +4

    • Hey! Listen! That's Poly Rhythms!
    *Proceed Goron Dance*
    •Stone...Tower...Temple Stone...Tower...Temple

  • @josephrich402
    @josephrich402 Год назад +1

    I've never thought about great bay temple being a water purification plant.
    That makes a lot of sense plot wise as well

  • @bluewinterstorm
    @bluewinterstorm 3 года назад +10

    Kondo out there playing entire games in *dead silence*

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +4

      It is wild to imagine playing beta versions of these levels with no music. I suppose it makes it more impressive that composers are able to create such amazing ambient pieces to accompany them. 😅

  • @HondasLittleRedPig
    @HondasLittleRedPig 3 года назад +1

    I was a music major in college my first time around. This brings back some good music theory. I quite enjoyed this!

  • @dsouth7754
    @dsouth7754 3 года назад +6

    It's something that should sound cacophonous, but it's also sort of in an uncanny valley of music. Maybe I'm just a bit of an idiot, but I swear there's something about Great Bay Temple that combined with its puzzles and this frantically disjointed music made it feel more difficult to progress through than it should have been. The music is distracting, yet the puzzles demand swift thinking. It's really darn good level design.

    • @sweetwheatsy
      @sweetwheatsy 3 года назад

      Indeed! One aspect is also that polyrhythmic components often make your brain pay more attention to follow the rhythm (to get that sweet dopamine/chills/etc), so having TWO of those (the 3/4 and 5/4) in the same track is rather demanding

  • @atra6133
    @atra6133 3 года назад +2

    I just discovered your channel, and man I love this format. Thank you for these videos!
    Although, I never saw the temple as a water treatment plant.
    It is mentioned in the game that the water temperature has risen, this could be the cause of the water getting murky, as plants and organisms that were used to the colder water would die off. Because the great bay coast looks very tropical with plenty of palm trees and beach sunshades in the spring, one could assume that the water SHOULD be this warm, but it wasn't. One possible explanation for this would be a stream of cold water, originating some place else, flowing through the bay. Meanwhile in the temple, one of the largest rooms is a tank of water getting stirred by pedals/blades. This could be connected to the water outside and set it into a similar circular motion, creating a stream that brings cold water from the ocean into the bay and warm water from the bay into the ocean to cool off.
    So, I thought the temple serves to artificially cool down the water by creating a stream in the bay, in order to make it more livable to the zora.
    Actually, this idea can be easily combined with that of it being a water treatment plant: why not both? The temple would need to pump a LOT of water to create such an artificial current, might as well clean that water to make living in the bay even better.

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад

      Yeah, I can totally see this as a viable theory as well! And thanks! I’m glad you’re enjoying the series!

  • @KairuHakubi
    @KairuHakubi 3 года назад +3

    god, I never thought about this consciously but you're so right

  • @ericvilas
    @ericvilas 3 года назад +2

    I always heard the initial clanging sound as the loud noise large old pipes make as air bubbles are going through them, it completely felt like it was made by objects in the game

  • @GrumpyF0X
    @GrumpyF0X 3 года назад +6

    I can't wait to hear what you have to say what the Stone Tower Temple :)

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +3

      I should have it done sometime next month!

  • @Literallyjustpowerchords64
    @Literallyjustpowerchords64 3 года назад +1

    I like how that drum sound is also used in Blood Omen 2, really works for unsettling songs

  • @ninjapupftw
    @ninjapupftw 3 года назад +17

    "The rising temperatures have also been affecting the Zora."
    Me: Hahahah what? Maybe the game implies they sell the fish for money..............
    Zora in game: "I just can't get used to the taste of fish from a river."
    Me: "..................................................................................ᴡʜᴀᴛ"
    Edit: people don't like this temple? Dude i loved swimming thru this temple oh my god

    • @holywario4891
      @holywario4891 3 года назад +5

      I think that implies that they like fish from the ocean, not the river.

    • @danielvandenberg3228
      @danielvandenberg3228 3 года назад +8

      The Zora, in this game being ocean dwelling creatures, not liking the taste of "fish from a river" makes perfect sense. Eat something like a rainbow trout filet (freshwater river fish) next to a swordfish steak (deep sea fish) and you will see they are worlds apart in both taste and texture.

  • @YandereDay
    @YandereDay 3 года назад +1

    To be fair, wastewater treatment includes the separation of the removed solids from the treated water. The solids from primary and secondary treatment are then put in a separate area and treated again or reused. I figure thats what the minibosses are supposed to be. Alternatively, instead of products of sedimentation, they could be from the activated sludge process.

  • @jordanhansen5934
    @jordanhansen5934 3 года назад +3

    How about the Majora's Mask main theme song? (The one that plays whenever the mask is brought up or skull kid appears)

  • @jordanbauer740
    @jordanbauer740 3 года назад

    the last synth notes are also present in the cutscene of malon explaining the aliens "They come riding in a bright, shining ball, and many of them come down...to the barn" and also when they invade the ranch

  • @camron7829
    @camron7829 3 года назад +7

    yes i am excited for this video and this pages future content

  • @exileayahika
    @exileayahika 5 часов назад

    The mountain music theme always stuck with me! I would love a breakdown!

  • @AMTheOcarinaPlayer
    @AMTheOcarinaPlayer 3 года назад +9

    Yay!! Thank you!! Can’t wait for stone tower temple!!! 🤩 🤩 🤩

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +2

      Glad you enjoyed!

    • @HuggableLoveablePlushies
      @HuggableLoveablePlushies 3 года назад +1

      You have a cockatiel in your profile picture. I'm jealous.

    • @AMTheOcarinaPlayer
      @AMTheOcarinaPlayer 3 года назад +1

      @@HuggableLoveablePlushies she passed away last year July first. Her name was sparky and she was an awesome little birdy. She cameoed in a number of my ocarina videos.

    • @HuggableLoveablePlushies
      @HuggableLoveablePlushies 3 года назад +1

      @@AMTheOcarinaPlayer
      Oh, no. What an absolute CUTIE. I used to have one myself when I was younger. His name was Spryte, and I did not name after the soda like a lot of people thought, lol. I named him after the Shine Sprites in Super Mario Sunshine.

    • @AMTheOcarinaPlayer
      @AMTheOcarinaPlayer 3 года назад +1

      @@HuggableLoveablePlushies awww. He sounds just precious! My current health, I couldn’t get another ‘tiel, so I got some budgies. They’re not tame but I know how to breed and raise them so that’s my summer project. 😊

  • @strugglingengineer1465
    @strugglingengineer1465 Год назад +1

    I think Kondo having played the section beforehand also hated the place so much he translated his own discomfort into the theme. And that too works.

  • @motherearth1588
    @motherearth1588 3 года назад +14

    Fun fact : this is mom washing machine

  • @doctorh.m.l4727
    @doctorh.m.l4727 3 года назад +1

    CANT WAIT TILL NEXT VIDEO!!❤❤

  • @Foxxure
    @Foxxure 3 года назад +11

    Water levels: Good music, annoyingly impossible puzzles.

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +3

      Coincidence? We think not.

    • @Deeznuts84356
      @Deeznuts84356 2 года назад

      I never did beat that temple. It made me quit the game

  • @m1galla
    @m1galla 3 года назад +1

    you are just killing it man. love this musical theory analysis on one of the greatest OSTs

  • @optijohan
    @optijohan 3 года назад +3

    *waits for stone tower video in extreme anxiety*

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +1

      It should be out sometime next month! 😄

  • @sweetwheatsy
    @sweetwheatsy 3 года назад

    This might seem odd, but this is one of the funkiest unsettling pieces I know of. Every aspect that you mentioned, the whole-tone scales and tritones, the cold clangs - and the steaming drone waving back and forth in the background create an eerie experience - but at the same time, the percussion is rather driving, and I am a sucker for polyrhythmic components (they tend to often create really catchy tracks, as they force your brain to constantly pay attention to follow the proper rhythm), so the 3/4 and 5/4 synths in tandem are just *chefs kiss*

  • @Kosmicd12
    @Kosmicd12 3 года назад +28

    anyone know the song at 5:08 ?

    • @NativeWarrior081
      @NativeWarrior081 3 года назад +11

      It's the boss battle music for Gohdan in Zelda the Wind Waker. ruclips.net/video/AV2IU93B_J8/видео.html

    • @Kosmicd12
      @Kosmicd12 3 года назад +6

      @@NativeWarrior081 thanks!!

    • @NativeWarrior081
      @NativeWarrior081 3 года назад +4

      @@Kosmicd12 you're welcome.

  • @MarcoAurelio-qo3sj
    @MarcoAurelio-qo3sj 3 года назад +2

    Amazing! I might just die with the Stone Tower temple analysis. Though this really looks like the most clever one.

  • @Nazo-kage
    @Nazo-kage Год назад

    A very important piece to remember, when it was mentioned that some of the music sounds like it’s speeding up.
    That, along with the unsettling, feeling altogether of the melody.
    Really helps to complement the already nerve-racking aspect of the three day time limit.
    Because when it comes to majora’s mask the time limit, a.k.a. the moon is never NOT in the back of your head while you’re playing.

  • @datoasterz6633
    @datoasterz6633 3 года назад +3

    am I the only one who likes the pinnal rock side quest?

    • @datoasterz6633
      @datoasterz6633 3 года назад

      @@bastienlafleur5838 that’s a long

    • @datoasterz6633
      @datoasterz6633 3 года назад

      @@bastienlafleur5838 honestly I didn’t only like it because of the lore, I just thought it was fun

  • @cioplasmmajic8327
    @cioplasmmajic8327 3 года назад +2

    It took me over half the video to notice that he was wearing a tropical shirt to match the beach vibes of Great Bay.

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +1

      Ayyyyy! I think you’re the first person to comment on it! 😅 I guess it was more obvious when I wore a coat for Snowhead

  • @GoldfishPark
    @GoldfishPark 3 года назад +3

    I just found this channel! I've always loved zelda's music.

  • @nxtlvlzeph
    @nxtlvlzeph 3 года назад

    Great video!!! The one thing you missed is the very mechanical “whirring” drone that plays through most of the song

  • @JakobeOG
    @JakobeOG 3 года назад +3

    Now I know why I'm into weird timings and polyrythms, thanks Koji Kondo!

  • @MaraudingManiac
    @MaraudingManiac 2 года назад +1

    I love this dungeon. It's honestly one of the best water dungeons in the franchise, maybe my favorite. It really uses water in a really interesting way and doesn't require a lot of pausing

  • @icewhallowcome6689
    @icewhallowcome6689 3 года назад +40

    0:21 This is the whitest way someone pronounced this meme.
    Luv ur vids tho

  • @SirZapdos
    @SirZapdos 2 года назад +1

    I totally misheard and thought you said "rhythmic freezing" and thought to myself, "that seems appropriate for the temple with the Ice Arrow."

  • @emptymelodies3316
    @emptymelodies3316 3 года назад +5

    These videos are MUSIC TO MY EARS.

  • @blueberryzzz2108
    @blueberryzzz2108 8 месяцев назад

    I remember the turtle cutscene, directly through the first drumbeats of the song, and that one part of the song where it slowly builds up.

  • @gaming_bigfoot
    @gaming_bigfoot 3 года назад +7

    "Why is Great Bay Temple's Music in Majora's Mask so Unsettling?"
    _W a t e r F i l t r a t i o n_
    With topic focus like that I've spent enough time here

    • @noradosmith
      @noradosmith 3 года назад

      Yeah the first five minutes are kind of pointless

  • @lukesmith604
    @lukesmith604 3 года назад

    When I first reached Great Bay, it was a school day morning and I obviously had to leave for class, which I did. But after 10 minutes of being in school, I had to get back home to explore this area, so I snuck out of my grade 4 class room, headed back and played for hours, haven’t regretted a thing.

  • @Get-Frogged
    @Get-Frogged 3 года назад +4

    This temple's theme always reminded me of drowning :/

  • @lavieestbellexx
    @lavieestbellexx 2 года назад

    Holy heck, my mind is absolutely BLOWN by the water filtration plant theory 🤯 it makes so much sense, my jaw literally dropped at the caution sign parallel
    Amazing video and I'm only half way through

  • @justascuttlingspider9720
    @justascuttlingspider9720 3 года назад +5

    no hate towards you whatsoever, absolutely love your content! but as a general observation, why do majora's mask videos have One Joke and why is it always "mm3d is bad for xyz" ... talking as someone who loves supporting all kinds of mm-related videos, i think we need better jokes lol 😂

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +3

      Yeah, that's a fair point. I think I'm just frustrating myself a little with playing both versions back to back while doing this series, so I might be coming in a little annoyed to have to replay a section of the game over again. But I will say adding another item slot in the 3DS remake is such an amazing quality of life improvement.

  • @onoise1262
    @onoise1262 3 года назад +1

    I wanna add that the 3 and 5 note segments always kind of sounded like alert noises to me, like the whole water purification plant is malfunctioning so the alarm is constantly playing in the background

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +1

      Oooh, I like this idea! I could totally see that!

    • @312348
      @312348 3 года назад +1

      I can totally see that now that you’ve mentioned it! Thank you for stating this, now this has made me appreciate an amazing dungeon with amazing music even more. :)

  • @aznarul
    @aznarul 3 года назад +3

    It annoyed me that you needed 6 minutos to start talking about the music

  • @TimelessWorldOfGaming
    @TimelessWorldOfGaming 2 года назад

    4:16 I recognize that soundtrack. I get so many memories from these videos. That's from Donkey Kong 64, I want to say it's the cave music.

  • @Tlaloc1
    @Tlaloc1 2 года назад

    The weird synth sounds at 12:00 always reminded me of a lot of the soundtracks to early 1970's Doctor Who stories.

  • @sergiozdrums
    @sergiozdrums 3 года назад +2

    loving these analysis, also all the references at the beginning are so valuable!!

  • @yusufh7278
    @yusufh7278 3 года назад +1

    Great bay temple is a pretty straightforward dungeon with complex rooms with a fun swimming mechanic to drive it forward, there is no reason to dislike it or get stuck in it.
    If I remember correctly you swim down the spiral through 2 tunnels, reverse the water, then swim up 1 tunnel to gain access to the ice arrows and move on. Not hard or confusing since the spiraling waters force you to your destinations.

  • @Pyrolonn
    @Pyrolonn 3 года назад

    Very nuanced analysis, thanks. I've played MM about a dozen times over the years and never really thought about it much. Never really thought of Great Bay temple as a water filtration machine. Pretty cool!

  • @Slogstin
    @Slogstin 3 года назад +2

    "Why is it so unsettling?"
    Me in the temple: "Oooh yeah, that's a bop!!"

  • @joeyberg5765
    @joeyberg5765 3 года назад

    At one point in my last D&D campaign, my players had to gain access to an insidious fortress factory that existed on the border of the Elemental Plane of Fire, the portal to which was hidden by an elder kraken lurking at the bottom of a sunken dormant volcano. The interior was a blisteringly hot, humid labyrinth of shifting automata crafting massive obelisks of reflective, finely polished black iron. Demons and efreets and other flame-vomiting monstrosities prowled the place on constant alert; one of my players even lost an arm to a confirmed critical hit from a Beholder eye of Flame's disintegration ray. I turned on some fire ambience in the background, set it low and then played Great Bay Temple on repeat the whole time. I think by the end I might've given a couple of them claustrophobia because they were desperate to get out lol.

  • @sayto_00
    @sayto_00 3 года назад +1

    2:30 "It's interesting we can see the riveting on the metal plating."
    Me looking at the blurry ass texture. "yea, mmh-hmm ah-uh."

  • @gamesmore-moonlight946
    @gamesmore-moonlight946 3 года назад +1

    Didn't realize the channel changed name. I was just wondering today when you were gonna cover Great Bay Temple, and here we are.

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +2

      Yes! We just rebranded! Here's a short video explaining the change: ruclips.net/video/X85jK_yARRs/видео.html
      but the tldw is that nothing will change in regards to our content 😉

  • @jaredatchison7009
    @jaredatchison7009 3 года назад +1

    Dude, good work. Solid video, solid presentation, and it is clear you did your homework. Cudos!

  • @Alexandra-fz7lk
    @Alexandra-fz7lk 3 года назад

    I was in the band when I was in school, there was this piece we were playing. For several bars straight eighth notes, same note--but with a marcato on the 1st, 4th, and 7th notes.
    I find music theory pretty interesting.

  • @irvyne6111
    @irvyne6111 3 года назад +1

    Love this analysis! So awesome!
    Meanwhile, people will constantly have a cry about the Water Temple in Ocarina of Time, but that dungeon ain't got nothin' on the frustration of Great Bay. Admittedly, the 3DS version does make navigation a bit easier. Still painful though.

  • @headlessdisco730
    @headlessdisco730 3 месяца назад

    Things like this have made me gain newfound appreciation for Majora's Mask more recently. Majora's Mask is one of those games that have really obnoxious segments in it but make up for it with it's music and dungeon boss. The Great Bay Temple music is honestly quite underrated. It sounds like the embryotic first pieces to what Twilight Princess's music would later become. Snowpeak's dungeon does this pretty well too.

  • @skep2923
    @skep2923 3 года назад +1

    If I had to describe the drum, I’d describe it as a brake drum, like the one present in the Submerged Castle theme in Pikmin 2, or a really processed bongo.

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  3 года назад +1

      Fun fact, one of the people I had give me feedback on the script advised me that it sounded like a Brake Drum, but I couldn't find good footage of someone playing someone that sounded like what was used in the song. The Pikmin 2 song does sound a lot closer!

  • @multilegolover
    @multilegolover 3 года назад +1

    Came for the music, stayed for the water purification seminar