2023 BMW M2 vs Porsche Cayman GTS 4.0 vs Tuned Golf R // DRAG RACE + LAP TIME
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- The 2023 BMW M2 ($79,754 starting in Canada, $63,195 in the US), the 2023 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 PDK ($117,242 starting in Canada, $100,580 in the US), and a respectably tuned Volkswagen Golf R DSG ($52,483 starting in Canada, $46,635 in the US) have lined up for a drag race. These three German cars each look to make it down the strip first. The all-wheel drive Golf R and mid-engined Cayman may have a traction edge over the rear-driven M2 off the launch. But will traction be enough to take on the blistering 460 horsepower in the M2? Watch to find out! Things don’t always go as you might expect in a drag race. Subscribe!
Huge thank you to @blue_lapiz8r for loaning us their Golf R
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KARSTON SPEAKS. Ok, so this was news to us as well. He hasn’t said a word since and honestly it’s very unnerving. When we asked him about it he just focused at us really hard. We think the real Karston might be locked up somewhere in a dungeon or something. We request your thoughts and prayers at this troubling time.
You should have talked to Chris Harris he seems to have no problem with stability control.
Karsten may require lead filled soles on his driving shoes...
[focusing intensifies]
Good to know that Karston can speak.
think he finished his speaking quota for the year
I really appreciated the break in Karston's focus. Is that a channel first?
I was thinking the exact same thing!
First I recall
Need him to talk more lol it’d be like a big three
I thought it was a golf
@@iFigure lol
This seems to be the only channel actually doing lap times these days. Keep it up.
Edit: I forgot about Hagerty, but I'm going to leave this here so people can correct me.
This channel is great these guys really cover all the bases! Just would like to see the 0 to 60, and quarter mile times!
Pretty rare to have good drivers in general too
Then you don't know about hagerty
Hargety
Yes cause lap times are so important to people buying an everyday car. You people that focus on this stuff are absolute cornballs. Lol what’s your current lap times in your scion xb bro?
Am I crazy, or has this just turned into the best car show.
Hagerty has amazing production quality, but these guys have something special that the rest don't have.
Definitely the best, they have an infectious magic formula going. If they stick with it they will shoot to the top.
Its the charisma factor
Yup. Charisma. Thomas and James are just two sweethearts! 😅
Chemistry between bro’s
Thomas is certainly the wife about the Lotus
I like these guys. Just some regular dudes with a good ammount of humour and driving insights.
Yep. Hire also Chris Harris into Throttle House.
I just love it when Thomas says "and this is a drag race"
Almost a Doug DeMuro-ish approach.
@@housepianist and also semi approached from Mat Watson.
4:55 That's literally the most I've heard Carson say in the 2+ years I've been watching this channel. :D
Carson speaks😮. Mind blown….
Maybe he's just a big golf R fan lol
@@ihavealife002 Maybe that's his actual car. He did seem more invested in the outcome of the races...
@@richardnavratil9661 mind you thats the Golf GTi R can do the justice.
Nice to finally see Karston break focus in a race! I also really like the sunset outro thing that you guys are doing. makes the cars really pop.
In tonight's car programme ~
Thomas says Stuttgart ,
James explain launch control,
And We hear Carston 's voice .
Loved Karston showing signs of life at 2:42! 🤣
Karston is FASTER THAN YOU.
Yes yes, I can see that there is a BMW and a Porsche. But all I can think of is how good the Golf is that it made Carston talk. 😂
Maybe i misunderstood it, but it wasn't that the Golf was so good that made him talk, but that it still lost against the Cayman despite being at the same power level, having awd and turbos.
@@nirfz the Golf also weighed 88kgs less than Cayman GTS.
This is why aero is King. It's what made gtr a supercar killer event with the high weight of it and having less horsepower.
Anyone else really want to see the tuned golf R go round the track... its seriously interesting to see how much time the cars gained with near on 50%, bhp improvement.
Its not designed for that. The others are true sports cars from the start.
@@krane15 whyd they bother taking the stock golf R around then..
@@TheSoundzUK Explained in the intro. Basically, for good measure.
@krane15 regardless of weather its designed for it, and how much youre gonna keep coming back with answer after answer because you must enforce your opinion. Me and 40 others who've liked my comment would also have liked to see it
@@TheSoundzUK Well, why not tune the M2 then?. Do you know how easily that engine picks up HP?
This is the best format for a car review. This is exactly what we want! You guys are awesome, really. Keep up the good work!
CARSTON HAS SPOKEN!!!! TH Stig has broken his silence!! 2:42
TWICE!!!!! 4:55
Still the best car content on the internet. Massive respect to both of you!
Love those uncommon drag races !!
Mk7r_STI, have you watched clips from F1 2020 UNSEEN yet? It is in my RUclips channel. One clip featuring Nijigasaki and D4DJ singing Ryoran Victory Road during Bushiroad Rock Festival 2023.
@4:11mins - " Could we do a Rolling Race so i can Participate ! " 😂😂😂😂 that had me Rollin'
Great to see Karston come alive! Hope to see more of him in the next road trip series.
Thanks for the laptmes. Great video.
the color on the porsche is amazing
The car itself too.
Thats actually green. Unlike most companies calling a yellow shade green.
No
The colour on your mom's 🙀 is amazing
So many people love it, but i hate it no idea why
Wider tires plus a mid engine means the Porsche has roughly similar grip to the awd golf. Plus the Germans always underestimate their hp.
Good to see James win one finally!
I think the HP figures are from crankshaft in test conditions. Measuring it from wheels is always slightly different. I like how they always say the lowest average 0-60 time too. That way you can almost always beat the time. 😂 clever stuff
Well they're all German cars, so...
@@bh4560 what’s your point they are all German cars 🤦🏼♂️
I’d have liked to see the Golf R’s track time. Not a bad showing for the R considering the price
AWD still has more traction with 100% of the weight on driven wheels vs 56% on the cayman. Even with weight transfer, I don't think the cayman is anywhere near lifting the front wheels and having 100% on the rear...bigger contact patch does not translate into proportionally better friction coefficient, only reduces the tire load and improves grip marginally. I think Porsche launch control is just more efficient, cayman's lighter so better power/weight ratio and probably more power than the spec sheet says.
maybe the golf R launch control doesn't do so good with the added power too...tunes Porsche's launch really well but that's not always the case with every car brand
MVP of car reviews. You guys are special, props to your production team. Keep up the good work
Always love your convent and videos you make on a regular basis. Guys Keep it up 👍
Let’s give huge props to the moderately tuned VW Golf that kept pace with those much more expensive cars.
Orrr the other way around, let's give props to the Porsche which has less power and two less driven wheels compared to the modified Golf R.
@@TheStigHCE09 also weighs a lot less ....
@@_Ambition124 The Golf R still had a higher power-to-weight ratio. It should have also destroyed the Porsche from a dig.
@@TheStigHCE09 or not. It’s a fully functional family hatchback at less than half the price. Time to get off the Porsche dick and move along.
The Porsche and M2 still have a warranty. The Golf will be good until something breaks in the next week or so.
For the money and performance, I would still get the tuned Golf R.
ahahah tuned M2 destroy it
Love seeing Golf R in competition. Not bad for a 2.0L Turbo
True, although I wouldn't be surprised if the Cayman is actually more economical in the real world 😄
Golf R is great until the engine goes BANG! Clata clata... Well over 400 bhp from a 2.0l 4cyl is crazy.
Not bad? Getting 400hp out of a 2.0 liter four is amazing.
K20
@@krane15 400hp out of a 2.0 liter four was done more reliably by Mitsubishi over a decade ago and isn't uncommon in tuned cars now. There are a couple of Peugeots where a simple remap will get you past 300hp from a 1.6, also at least as reliable as the VW.
Not that I'm knocking (engineering pun intended) 400hp from the VW at all, it's just not uncommon enough these days that I'd call it amazing, personally.
I like Carsten's choice of small aperture sun stars for the intro shots
Nice review keep up the good work fellas
That cayman GTS is a beast. I’d take that any day out the 3. Looks the best too.
well yeah by far the most expensive too
You'd take the 150k sports car over the 50k hatchback? Wow, weird opinion...
The Porsche? It’s a women’s car😂 maybe choose a better Porsche?
@@user-bi5vb2dl5k says a whole lot more about you to think some Cayman is a woman's car 😂 yeeeeehaw
@@cyril2011 150k? It’s 74k brand new. Don’t worry mates you’re only out by 76k.
Oh man yet another exciting episode from the most amazing presenters. Big ups to James n Thomas💥💥watching you from Africa
I would not mind a separate tuned car board. I would very much like to know what a golf R and some mods does or maybe a Honda civic type R with some mods.
Good stuff guys!
Good to hear another few words from Karston. I think we've enjoyed the Silent Bob approach, but now it would be cool to see him in frame more often.
Just this past Monday I got to drive stick for the first time (and in a 4th gen WRX at that). I'm honestly surprised at how well I did, I only stalled once in 30 minutes of driving, even though we were just driving around an empty parking lot. Honestly, it felt quite natural, and I was pleasantly surprised by the fact that if you let the clutch out slowly, you can start moving without touching the gas. My neighbor who owned the WRX and was teaching me was also impressed with how well I got on with it, and I'm looking forward to driving stick with him again.
Carson talked!
I found this channel 2 days ago and i love it!
You've missed a lot
You can definitely fully disable everything on the 981 generation Cayman/Boxster, even with PTV - I've got a backlog of drifty shenanigans to prove it. I don't know why they would have changed that for the 718. But even with everything fully disabled, unless you've already got a drift going, the balance tends to shift to understeer on power. Better to get the rotation done on entry using a trail of the brake; then you've got all the traction in the world to use on the way out.
Yeah, fully disabled is fully disabled on the 981, including PTV. Hmm....
Having owned a tuned mk 7.5 Golf R myself, I was kind of shocked that it didn't take the stock Porsche Cayman GTS!! That car is obvioiusly amazing, and imagine what it could do with a little more work! Of course, one of the reasons I loved the Golf R was that it was a hatchback and was a bit of a sleeper. That tune essentially makes it an RS3 hatchback, which they stopped importing into the states when I bought mine... otherwise I would've owned a modded RS3!! Giddyup!
Driver error. It should have gaped the other two cars off the line. However, its weakness is in the mid-rage where it sadly, begins to fizzle out while the others keep on pulling.
My tcu is still locked. . Definitely would've beat the porsche otherwise eventhough it's 600lbs lighter. My car hasn't been on a dyno but is neck and neck with my buddies stage 1+ unitronic car also with no tcu so they just put the unitronic #'s down. Those are not whp figures. . Realistically my car probably only makes 400ish whp with no tcu so the tq is being limited.
@@jeremysmith7686 I guess this makes more sense. My 2019 Golf R was Stage 2+ and easily and consistently did 0-60 in 3.5 secs on the street (I had a tracker). It also never seemed to stop pulling at any speed, right up to 150+ when it would be aero limited. It also would do the quarter mile in 11.5 secs, and looking at the perf stats of the 2023 Caymen GTS, mine would have done it in handily. Thanks for sharing these details, because it makes more sense now. Also, my 2019 Golf R weighed 3,300 pounds, so only ~200 pounds more than the GTS.
@Tim Federwitz so my car currently when I ran it down that strip is trapping a speed of 118-119 mph which is also good enough for a mid 11 but the 60ft with the lack of tcu tune has only generated an 11.9 at 119.
Brilliant and highly enjoyable ❤
The legend finally speaks!!
Give me the Golf R Allday!!! Love it
So what I got from this video is, get a Golf R and get it APR tuned (to keep the warranty) lol
You don't keep your warranty APR offers their own
Excellent take on the GTS 4.0. Amazing car but I was frustrated with the PTV and stability control never being defeatable.
Carston speaks! Yay! It's about time!
Pretty impressive the golf kept up for nearly half the price
It has 446 hp and AWD.
@@kabob21 446 Hp, we dont know how much it really is as we don't know how much power is going into those wheel - its an awd system so there's a lot of lag. Id say its around 410-420 at best.
@@kabob21 with 446hp it should be faster than the cayman gts , i think this has about 410-420hp
@kabob21 does not. My car realistically is in and around 400whp so the same as the porsche with the porsche being 600lbs lighter. . And my tcu is still locked so the tq is being limited. That porsche is not quick lol
@@Phantom-vn3nz no, power to weight ratio bud
The “screw your mods” comment at 2:40 killed me 🤣
I’ve never heard Karston speak until now and it’s because he’s frustrated with the Golf R. Lmao
Awesome video.
Will never be upset about a Carston appearance. Nothing at all wrong with some man candy 😁
U know there’s a problem when Karston shows emotion, that cayman is quick off the line
I now have my M2 as well as my 2020 718 Spyder. If I could only have one it would be the Spyder. What a great car. Cheers🥶🥵
So funny I was looking at Porsche GTS videos for a week straight and here I am on throttle house, love the video
The Golf will always be the best car to own. Fast, roomy, cheap, reliable.
no current VW is reliable
very boring also
Unlike the other two pure sports cars. The Golf is a practical daily driver with the heart of a sports car.
But then again, you drive a Golf..
@@gedam131 A Porsche is just a golf that breaks more often.
Awesome video. Love it! Pricing is interesting. Currently one Canadian dollar equals 74 cents in USD. So with that calculation the 718 in CAD is $117,242 and when you convert that to USD its $86,362 but if you buy the 718 in the US you're paying $100,580 USD. Same goes for the M2, $79,754 CAD converts to $58,748 USD and the Golf $52,483 CAD converts to $38,660 USD
You presentation is great🎉
Best episode ever. Carson was so pissed
Man I thought the vw was was out of its league but wow!😂😁
2:29 Thomas sounds like a very angry German in an m2
The "Down" had a hint of Schwarzenegger😛
Amazing❤
Great review men I get my 2023 M2 within the next 2 weeks. I can't wait for her to arrive. Cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🥶
"WHAT!?"
-Carsten, 2023
I was a little disappointed they didn't attempt a second dig race after Thomas struggled so much to put the power.
I'm guessing Thomas tried a few times with this M2 and felt he wouldn't do much better
they run it a few times and just do the best for all 3- the one we saw was probably the best he got
The Grand Turismo selection screen 😂😂😂😂. Love that game🔥🔥🔥
Brilliant video. Stuttgart know their audience and nail it. Hence I sold mine. Each to their own and you summed it up brilliantly.
I’d still take the tuned r!!
How is the m2 so friggin heavy?
It's basically an M4 with a body kit. But this doesn't answer the question why the M4 is so heavy.
2:38 “do something you’re supposed to do”😂😂
What a treat for car enthusiasts!
On a side note, nice to see the Nissan Z back on the leaderboard. But why is the Z only 0.2 seconds quicker than the Acura TLX Type S, which is 700 lbs heavier and has 50 less hp?
ask nissan dude xD
.2 seconds quicker is very vague... In the 1/4 the Z is .7 seconds quicker. Even the old 370z is quicker than the type s in the 1/4 mile. You can thank the awd system in the type s for the extra 500 pounds... which also helps it hold its own with the Z to 60 mph and around a track. I agree that on paper the Z should be quicker around a track but it's truly comparing apples to oranges.
SHAWD
tires maybe
Have you seen the power of SH-AWD?
Mk8golf R and a tune....that's damn impressive. I am a fanboy tho.
I still love the look of the 7.5 better than the 8. Regardless one of the best bang for buck like the 340i on the market with just a tune.
The numbers are in line with a unitronic stage 1 93 tune, not bad for $700.
Not sure what the owner spent $6000 on, but it surely didn’t help the races
@@BobbyBimmer A Golf with 7.5 front end and 8 rear would be perfect.
A golf with a 7 front end and 7.5 rear ❤
JAMES - I could listen to you say chalk all day long. Epic video from TH whom, in case you hadn’t heard, rules. I am wombat.
Appreciate the KG & LBS 🇬🇧 🇺🇸
I’m impressed with the golf r hanging with the heavyweights with bolt ons
The golf is tuned tho 😂
8 gen golf r is already fast, this is tuned too
We need a rematch tuned M5Cs vs the E63s tuned and Rs6 tuned those previous one 1⃣ you raced with a stock m5cs
This is exactly what i needed, best video cause i like all 3 cars and wonder what my next might be. Really considering cayman/boxster 982 gts or even 981 xD, i got a rs3 2016 and i wanna keep it cause of the engine.
I think my 718 Boxster GTS would be a better track car than the 4.0. All that torque down low for the tight corners, it's brilliant at 10/10ths too! 2.5 engine pulls hard, just doesn't sound as good as the 4.0, but I love the sound of the 2.5 GTS I have. It's just not too loud, so it's hard for other people to hear it, but sounds great inside the cabin for sure! Great review....thanks!
Porsche 😊 there is no substitute. If I can’t afford one I may just get the golf r now if that’s not in my cards well I stick with my gti lol 😂
The Cayman Gts 4.0 is the best car for sale next to a GT3 lol
Gt4 had entered the chat
@@sanzserif GT4 RS, Turbo, Carrera T, GT3RS, Sport Classic, Dakar, Spyder, Spyder RS, etc. have also entered chat.
The Gts is actually slightly quicker than the Gt4. I’m surprised people aren’t loving it as much because it’s not a “real gt car”.
The gt4, gt3, gt2 get all the love. All of them are great.
I live for Throttle House drag races and the "And I'm James..." 😂
KARSTON SPEAKS!
"Screw your mods" said the guy in the $100,000+ car who barely beat the $50,000 car 😂
Pathetic 😂
The difference between a fake and a luxury item is not that big.
@@Warrior11117 do you mean Porsche is a fake luxury Volkswagen? Fair enough 😂
@@oleg274 are you saying that Porsche isn't a great brand with cars like the GT3, and 911 turbo?😀
For $1550usd Cobb will unlock another 50whp in the GTS 4.0. That's 400 NA whp.
The Porsche looks amazing by the way
You men are the best Canadian reviewers. Cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🥶
holy ish Karston TALKED!
That Golf is the biggest surprise of the video
Not really, it’s tuned and still lost.
@@lloyd.8272 2.0 4cyl making 446 hp is nuts dude
@@lloyd.8272 that golf was either a manual or has the low tq tune. 446 is the numbers unitronic give for their stage 1+ and with a DSG, it’ll trap 121+. It shouldn’t have lost to the m2 even in a roll. It should have been neck and neck at the very least.
@@AntFragale they give those numbers with their intercooler installed
@@cRAYz3d how old are you? 2.0 making 450bhp was common in the early 90’s 😂
Proving yet again that Porsche is magic.
It's 40k over bmw so nothing surprising.
Priving yet again that even on the same HP, the M2 is faster... The BMW destroyed the Porsche on the roll race. It's much faster and serious car.
@@RiasGremoryS54 an m2 ain’t faster hop off bmws dick mate
GOATED CHANNEL 🐐
the RGB theme for the car's colors isn't lost on me
I still can't believe that M2 is 3900 lbs.!! Porker. As for the Cayman, you have to uncheck the PTV option and it won't cut the power through the bends.
Where do you uncheck the PTV?
@@trigganometry168 when you spec the car. ;) I didn’t mean there was an “off switch” in the car. 😅
@@TML34. The GTS didn’t have the option to uncheck. Haha but yeah I think only the GT4’s you could disable TC fully.
Feel like Thomas is different from most folks on the Porsche forums because he actually knows how to drive haha
dear God man some of the people on there make me SICK
That Golf. 😍
Karston speakssss!!! My niggga what what had me on the floor lol
I love the new tuning available for the golfs. I have a 22 GTI and am stage 1 with 370 hp. It’s like the perfect daily (for me) 🤣🙌🏽 love it
Stage 1 does not make 370 hp. You will need stage 2 on 93 octane minimum with supporting mods. IC, DP and TCU tune.
Until it breaks… because ze Germans.
@@genderlessyoutubefanperson on low torque settings with the intake and intercooler, it does. 034 motorsports for reference, and yes it’s on 93. I literally own the car and had it dynoed to make sure 🤣 super impressive
@lawnyyy3044 Well that's damn amazing!
@@lawabiding2576 it’s not bad at all! Car was a super underpowered stock, but I bet VW did it on purpose haha
10:26 "Golf R that will empower the keyboard warriors saying "you just need to stick a tune in it"" is such a profound way to end the video
The car isn't fully tuned lol! Would've beat both cars.
@@jeremysmith7686 that tuner is very bad 😂😂
@Joshua Pounds you're clearly not very intelligent or understand what a tuned tcu does for the car LOL
Haha this is the most I’ve heard Carsten say “what”
So happy to see a tuned car included in this! It’s a side perspective I enjoy.
You just need to stick a tune in it 😎 It's true.
See, just sticking a tune in it (Golf R) with a $4000 exhaust has it keeping up with cars double its price.
The DP (if it has one) is the only thing that would even add anything too. The 2k worth of the catback is only a noise mod.
In a straight line, yes.
@@AntFragale Very true. I own a Golf R, cat delete. Disco Potato turbo. I will say the cat delete makes the car a different animal.
If price is your only measure when buying a car, then yes, go with the Golf. If looks and sound are thrown in, the Golf doesn’t do it for me. But that’s just me.
But it's still a golf so.......
gotta be karstons own golf R he was taking that personal 🤣
Was very glad to see Carston break focus!😂