Awesome to see you starting a new project! I just want to say how much I like your videos. I wanted to build a boat for a long time, but living in a small 2 room flat in London it did not seem possible. Then the lockdowns came and I decided to just do it. I moved completely into my living room/kitchen, ordered a 15ft dinghy kit and declared my bedroom to be a "workshop". The boat only fit diagonally from corner to corner and I had to crawl under it to get to the other side (where anything I needed at any given moment always seemed to be) So it was a bit tedious at times, but watching you and Bob Emser working away on your projects just gave me so much inspiration whenever I felt a bit overwhelmed that I kept going. Eventually I actually managed to finish the boat, wriggle it out of my 1st floor (guess 2nd floor in US terms) window down to the ground and now we've been sailing her for almost two years and had so much fun, that I decided to build the boat I actually wanted: a more seaworthy but trailerable open cruising dinghy with space to sleep and storage for camping gear to explore the coasts and lakes of the UK and maybe some time places in continental Europe. So I bought plans for a John Welsford Pathfinder, tinkered and mulled over them for a good year, build four 10:1 models and then finally cleared out my living room, moved entirely into my bedroom and started building. Over the year of mulling I wondered if it was possible to strip plank her instead of the plywood lapstrake and on request learned from John that it's been done before, so I decided to see where that takes me. I played with the lines on paper and in delftship, tried to get them fair and as close as possible to Johns design. Then built the first model and felt the shape without the lapping planks might fit a tad better if the stem and transom had bit more rake to them - rather then the (almost) plum original, so I kept playing, trying to keep the underwater shape as close as possible to the original and really liked the way the models came out. So I decided to accept the very real possibility of failure and the extra challenges and go for it. I've only gotten to dry fitting the frames and running a few battens across to see if they lay as fair as my strip planks in the model, so it's going to be a long process and I'm glad to have your new project to watch along and keep me going :) Thank you!
What a great story Daniel. I don’t quite know why you would prefer the strip building over the ply lapstrake but I’m not judging. To each his own right? I certainly hope you have figured out your exit strategy though. Having built too big in too small a space myself, I can relate to your struggles. On of my builds took place on a dolly that allows for 2’ of working room on only one side of the hull or the other. I did vow never again, but who knows. I rarely listen to my own advice. I’m sure you will succeed and I suspect your design revisions will work out fine. Best of luck and thanks for sharing.
I think it’s important to understand that there is almost always an element of winging it when it comes to building things we haven’t built before. Folks who stick to a narrow field of activity will have a clearer game plan, even when faced with something new, than those of us are routinely changing focus, materials, methodology etc. I've been doing that so long it’s become second nature to figure things out on the fly. I know I'll reach my result but I just don’t know what the exact route to it will be. That said, I have a general rough idea that has not yet been trash canned by reality.
Hey Mark, just finished watching number 48 of this series. Decided to return to the beginning of the Catalina & rewatch them just for a refresher. Love the series Bud.
@@Nomadboatbuilding my pleasure Bud. I appreciate the content, & I tend to rewatch start to finish throughout long series, not just to refresh, but sometimes I even catch things I missed.
@@eddybear771 that’s good to hear. I worry my long series format puts a damper on growth. Well I’m quite sure it does but my hope is that it holds viewers who are in it for the long haul and deliver something truly useful to them. So much goes into this work that it’s very hard to boil it down to 10 minute videos out of context with a larger project. Every potential lesson is book ended with a hundred hours of other lessons.
@@Nomadboatbuilding I've built many small wooden craft & I know the pains & frustrations that come with the job. But I wouldn't trade it for anything. Soon as we get our new place, I'll be starting up again. As for losing viewers from the longer series. I've no doubt Many will return to binge watch.
Wow, I can't believe I waited this long to start watching this channel. This video is amazing. I've always wanted to watch the boat design process, especially done manually. Even better to hear your thought process as you go along. I could study this video for a long time before starting to get it. Thanks!
It was legitimately fascinating watching you sketch that out, thanks for sharing that - people aren’t always too happy to share the rougher bits at the start of the process, but it’s so important to get an understanding of where you’re coming from!
Hi Mark, I've always been a fan of a wherry ( Whitehall) This looks to be a great design developing. I too an a big fan of Paul Gartside. I took his yacht design class several years ago and purchased his plan # 140 Salman Guide Boat, which is basically a wherry. (He made a short cameo in my last video) I've been watching your channel off and on for several year (great content!!) I too am in the process of designing a 9' tender, for Arabella (A2A). Last week, during my weekly online Boat Building Clinic, one for my members mention that you where also designing a boat. So here I am following along. I felt it high time I connected with you as your channel is one of my favorites. Cheers, Bob Emser
Hi Bob, I agree that it was high time we made direct contact as we are pretty much in the same boat. I too have been following you from the start. I used another Gartside design for reference. #202 is a flat bottom dinghy but utilizes the Seabright skiff transom configuration. In particular I wanted to see how he structurally dealt with the garboard plank knuckle in the aft quarters. I haven't seen his cameo yet but I'll check that out. I tried to get hired on to help him with a build almost 20 years ago when he lived close to me. Unfortunately he stars didn't align at that moment and he soon moved to the east before I got another chance to try again. We should touch base outside of the comments page sometime soon. Feel free to reach out through my contact page.
Doing my second watch and comment. I dug through my library in storage and found the John Gardner book you showed. Lots of great information in it. This is going to be a nice build series. Have a great week Mark.
I thought it was interesting what he had to say about the origins of the wherry type and how it may have influenced swampscott dories. I always assumed it went the opposite way.
Most informative and entertaining as always Mark, thanks. when you talk about design choices could you elaborate on how this effects the way you expect it to perform please. I'll keep watching either way as I'm hooked but it would make it better for me
Piss-CAT-uh-kwuh is the correct pronunciation. Good for you for showing Seabright skiffs. They were the forerunners of a very large number of powerboat seabright skiffs and more normal sea skiffs beginning in the earliest powerboat era in which engines placed in the hulls began to modify how the hulls were designed. Red Bank and Banfield were among the first around 1919 to have rather modern fully planing lapstrake built seabright skiff hulls and were the forerunners of many others. Most were from New Jersey like Hubert Johnson, Bayhead Skiffs, Johnson Brothers, Zoebel's, etc. But some were built in New York like Wheeler of Brooklyn. E. Lockwood Haggas was the most famous of the early designers and he designed rum runners as well as the police chase boats. By around 1928 into 1931, the normal sea skiff bottom took over. Lyman boats of Ohio were inspired by these to make what possibly became the best known sea skiffs in the country. Chris Craft followed suit with their Sea Skiff division. William Atkin of New Jersey designed a number of Seabright Skiffs and plans are found online. Here is a couple William Atkin Seabright Skiffs to look at.The Victor Slocum, an early seabright skiff powerboat, and Scamp, an excellent sea skiff later derived from those. atkin.mysticseaport.org/Utilities/VictorSlocum.html atkin.mysticseaport.org/Utilities/Scamp.html
It’s kind of a curious thing that these wherries are also sporting the “skiff” designation, as that term tends to be used in conjunction with a wide flat bottom and/or the presence of an engine. I put it down to just a colloquialism for small boat. There is however some clear lineage between the various adaptations of these types of boats along the east coast. Even Chestnut Canoes and its brethren featured lapstrake type skiffs in their catalogs in which you can see a great similarity to these boats.
Probably not Paul. It takes too long to recoup the time invested in producing a finished set of drawings and there is always some legal exposure I'm not comfortable with. There are plenty of good designs already out there of similar character.
Wonders me why this channel doesn't have way more subscribers! Only Lou Sauzedde is better in the small craft design and construction show and tell. Cheers from southern Brasil.
Really curious what is the material / product you're using as the batten (spline?) while sketching. Looks a lot handier than whatever are the smallest consistent sticks I can rip.
Awesome to see you starting a new project! I just want to say how much I like your videos. I wanted to build a boat for a long time, but living in a small 2 room flat in London it did not seem possible. Then the lockdowns came and I decided to just do it. I moved completely into my living room/kitchen, ordered a 15ft dinghy kit and declared my bedroom to be a "workshop". The boat only fit diagonally from corner to corner and I had to crawl under it to get to the other side (where anything I needed at any given moment always seemed to be) So it was a bit tedious at times, but watching you and Bob Emser working away on your projects just gave me so much inspiration whenever I felt a bit overwhelmed that I kept going. Eventually I actually managed to finish the boat, wriggle it out of my 1st floor (guess 2nd floor in US terms) window down to the ground and now we've been sailing her for almost two years and had so much fun, that I decided to build the boat I actually wanted: a more seaworthy but trailerable open cruising dinghy with space to sleep and storage for camping gear to explore the coasts and lakes of the UK and maybe some time places in continental Europe.
So I bought plans for a John Welsford Pathfinder, tinkered and mulled over them for a good year, build four 10:1 models and then finally cleared out my living room, moved entirely into my bedroom and started building. Over the year of mulling I wondered if it was possible to strip plank her instead of the plywood lapstrake and on request learned from John that it's been done before, so I decided to see where that takes me. I played with the lines on paper and in delftship, tried to get them fair and as close as possible to Johns design. Then built the first model and felt the shape without the lapping planks might fit a tad better if the stem and transom had bit more rake to them - rather then the (almost) plum original, so I kept playing, trying to keep the underwater shape as close as possible to the original and really liked the way the models came out. So I decided to accept the very real possibility of failure and the extra challenges and go for it.
I've only gotten to dry fitting the frames and running a few battens across to see if they lay as fair as my strip planks in the model, so it's going to be a long process and I'm glad to have your new project to watch along and keep me going :) Thank you!
What a great story Daniel. I don’t quite know why you would prefer the strip building over the ply lapstrake but I’m not judging. To each his own right? I certainly hope you have figured out your exit strategy though. Having built too big in too small a space myself, I can relate to your struggles. On of my builds took place on a dolly that allows for 2’ of working room on only one side of the hull or the other. I did vow never again, but who knows. I rarely listen to my own advice.
I’m sure you will succeed and I suspect your design revisions will work out fine. Best of luck and thanks for sharing.
When you say you have no idea, you're still way ahead of guys like me. Thanks for including that bit!
I think it’s important to understand that there is almost always an element of winging it when it comes to building things we haven’t built before. Folks who stick to a narrow field of activity will have a clearer game plan, even when faced with something new, than those of us are routinely changing focus, materials, methodology etc. I've been doing that so long it’s become second nature to figure things out on the fly. I know I'll reach my result but I just don’t know what the exact route to it will be. That said, I have a general rough idea that has not yet been trash canned by reality.
Hey Mark, just finished watching number 48 of this series. Decided to return to the beginning of the Catalina & rewatch them just for a refresher. Love the series Bud.
Thanks allot. I appreciate that.
@@Nomadboatbuilding my pleasure Bud. I appreciate the content, & I tend to rewatch start to finish throughout long series, not just to refresh, but sometimes I even catch things I missed.
@@eddybear771 that’s good to hear. I worry my long series format puts a damper on growth. Well I’m quite sure it does but my hope is that it holds viewers who are in it for the long haul and deliver something truly useful to them. So much goes into this work that it’s very hard to boil it down to 10 minute videos out of context with a larger project. Every potential lesson is book ended with a hundred hours of other lessons.
@@Nomadboatbuilding I've built many small wooden craft & I know the pains & frustrations that come with the job. But I wouldn't trade it for anything. Soon as we get our new place, I'll be starting up again. As for losing viewers from the longer series. I've no doubt Many will return to binge watch.
Wow, I can't believe I waited this long to start watching this channel. This video is amazing. I've always wanted to watch the boat design process, especially done manually. Even better to hear your thought process as you go along. I could study this video for a long time before starting to get it. Thanks!
Welcome aboard!
It was legitimately fascinating watching you sketch that out, thanks for sharing that - people aren’t always too happy to share the rougher bits at the start of the process, but it’s so important to get an understanding of where you’re coming from!
The rougher bits is where all the fun is.
Hello craftsman,
You build beautiful boats.
Thank you very much.
Yeehah!!!! A new project. I've been looking forward to the next one for a while.
The Sea Bright Skiff video was a really nice view into building them 30 years ago. Thanks for the tip, and best wishes on the new project
Glad you enjoyed it
I enjoy your approach to design. Studying then appreciating similar designs, finally melding them into a totally new concept!!!
Well I wouldn't exactly say it is a new concept but more of a re-interpretation of an old one.
Hi Mark,
I've always been a fan of a wherry ( Whitehall) This looks to be a great design developing. I too an a big fan of Paul Gartside. I took his yacht design class several years ago and purchased his plan # 140 Salman Guide Boat, which is basically a wherry. (He made a short cameo in my last video)
I've been watching your channel off and on for several year (great content!!) I too am in the process of designing a 9' tender, for Arabella (A2A). Last week, during my weekly online Boat Building Clinic, one for my members mention that you where also designing a boat. So here I am following along. I felt it high time I connected with you as your channel is one of my favorites.
Cheers,
Bob Emser
Hi Bob, I agree that it was high time we made direct contact as we are pretty much in the same boat. I too have been following you from the start. I used another Gartside design for reference. #202 is a flat bottom dinghy but utilizes the Seabright skiff transom configuration. In particular I wanted to see how he structurally dealt with the garboard plank knuckle in the aft quarters. I haven't seen his cameo yet but I'll check that out. I tried to get hired on to help him with a build almost 20 years ago when he lived close to me. Unfortunately he stars didn't align at that moment and he soon moved to the east before I got another chance to try again. We should touch base outside of the comments page sometime soon. Feel free to reach out through my contact page.
The Nope button cracked me up yesterday 😂 Had to wait until today to comment. Your wireless mouse is a nice touch too.
Kept you in stitches all nigh did it?
Here's to an enjoyable build Mark as I already am sure it will be successful and also to 25k subs before launch.
Fingers crossed on that one. Seems I have niched down to a pretty small niche within an already small niche. Could be 14K viewers is all of them.
Exciting project. Thanks for sharing. 🇨🇦
Enjoyed listening to your design process. Have built plenty of rowing boats so I now know what I like. I certainly considered a salmon wherry!
oh looking forward to the model making and more designing ideas on how to do this!
Excellent. Wow.
Many thanks!
Doing my second watch and comment. I dug through my library in storage and found the John Gardner book you showed. Lots of great information in it. This is going to be a nice build series. Have a great week Mark.
I thought it was interesting what he had to say about the origins of the wherry type and how it may have influenced swampscott dories. I always assumed it went the opposite way.
You have a great eye, loving the techniques and explanation.Excited to see the design evolve and come to life - thank you Mark.
You’re welcome David. Thanks for watching.
That was a great video. Really interesting and super well presented and produced. 👏👏👏
Thanks Mikkel.
Most informative and entertaining as always Mark, thanks. when you talk about design choices could you elaborate on how this effects the way you expect it to perform please. I'll keep watching either way as I'm hooked but it would make it better for me
Most of the footage has already been shot but I’ll do my best to keep that stuff off the cutting room floor.
Piss-CAT-uh-kwuh is the correct pronunciation. Good for you for showing Seabright skiffs. They were the forerunners of a very large number of powerboat seabright skiffs and more normal sea skiffs beginning in the earliest powerboat era in which engines placed in the hulls began to modify how the hulls were designed. Red Bank and Banfield were among the first around 1919 to have rather modern fully planing lapstrake built seabright skiff hulls and were the forerunners of many others. Most were from New Jersey like Hubert Johnson, Bayhead Skiffs, Johnson Brothers, Zoebel's, etc. But some were built in New York like Wheeler of Brooklyn. E. Lockwood Haggas was the most famous of the early designers and he designed rum runners as well as the police chase boats. By around 1928 into 1931, the normal sea skiff bottom took over. Lyman boats of Ohio were inspired by these to make what possibly became the best known sea skiffs in the country. Chris Craft followed suit with their Sea Skiff division. William Atkin of New Jersey designed a number of Seabright Skiffs and plans are found online. Here is a couple William Atkin Seabright Skiffs to look at.The Victor Slocum, an early seabright skiff powerboat, and Scamp, an excellent sea skiff later derived from those.
atkin.mysticseaport.org/Utilities/VictorSlocum.html
atkin.mysticseaport.org/Utilities/Scamp.html
It’s kind of a curious thing that these wherries are also sporting the “skiff” designation, as that term tends to be used in conjunction with a wide flat bottom and/or the presence of an engine. I put it down to just a colloquialism for small boat. There is however some clear lineage between the various adaptations of these types of boats along the east coast. Even Chestnut Canoes and its brethren featured lapstrake type skiffs in their catalogs in which you can see a great similarity to these boats.
Wherry interesting ❤️
It's all about the curves 😂
Hi
Great start - at the beginning of the Vlog was the view out thru the window the Channel-Port aux Basques? The seas looked a little frothy.
No but the wind does come up around here.
The 2.4 meter came up in my recommendations again. Do you have any pictures of it in operation?
Not yet in operation I’m afraid.
@@Nomadboatbuilding Thank You!
Looking forward to your new project. Beautiful boat! I would love to build one. Will you sell the plans at some point in the future?
Probably not Paul. It takes too long to recoup the time invested in producing a finished set of drawings and there is always some legal exposure I'm not comfortable with. There are plenty of good designs already out there of similar character.
valet N J
Primer builder was Hankson of La
Wonders me why this channel doesn't have way more subscribers! Only Lou Sauzedde is better in the small craft design and construction show and tell. Cheers from southern Brasil.
I have certainly wondered that as well. It’s out of my hands.
@@Nomadboatbuilding maybe some half naked chicks?😜
Mark, where can I buy those lofting weights please?
Mike here again
Really curious what is the material / product you're using as the batten (spline?) while sketching. Looks a lot handier than whatever are the smallest consistent sticks I can rip.
I type in N J and the confessor prints La?
They id not fish for salmon! They fished for blue fish, bass and what ever was there,
Okay. Some of the the sources I read mentioned salmon.