Brilliant. These morsels of songwriting knowledge have been in my brain and on the edge of my tongue for decades but I could not articulate them,; however, your explanations have given a clear understanding and a useful life to these strategies and ideas. Bravo!
Roger Miller was an incredible song writer. He could make up a song while standing on stage and having people calling out topics. He also created interesting rhymes like "Rose are red, violets are purple. Sugar is sweet and so is maple syruple". And of course he came up with crazy song phrases like "You can't roller skate in a buffalo heard or you can't go fishin' in a watermelon patch"
I wonder if this shift from perfect rhymes to imperfect rhymes were the result of changes in how we (the US) consumed media. The 1940s and 50s saw a change in poetry - beat poets pushed against traditional, more flowery poetry in form and function. Add to that the popularity of the LP, which was now cheaper to manufacture and distribute, people were hearing more pop music at home than ever. I wonder if a shift from reading - where you can "see" the craft of perfect rhymes - to Listening, where the experience of sound allows for more flexibility in craft, led to this shift in style.
That's my thing where I'm a perfect rhyme type writer, I'm still kinda stuck in that. But I like stuff like "Wither and Tither" or "Hesitation to Devastation" , "Certainly an Epiphany" Now I can see and it immediately popped in my head "Rave with Bathe" Atlas Stands Tall You want to ask how I've been, and play pretend as if we were any type of friends! Well I lost the life of a best friend, who left a family fatherless in the end. Watched my mom and dad pass away slowly till their dying day. As the country they served did nothing, just allowed them to rot and decay, while saying it's okay. Had the love of a life, lose to a needle that was deadlier than any knife. I just wished they could stay, take me away. This is a game I won't play! Here I am though, standing tall. Carrying the weight of it, as if my name were Atlas. Sometimes I still question, how I got through it all. Though all I know is I've got to stand tall. That's ,y way of writing but I was really influenced by 1th/18th/19th century style poets, limericks, prose and con's and like using similar words that relate to what I'm saying. All throughout the 90's when I first started writing to challenge myself and make it more relatable to any reader I wouldn't use gender words for awhile, it was just You , I, Me, Them, They so that way anybody could put themselves in the shoes no matter what gender they were it was a unisex type of relation for the reader. Now I'm challenging myself by not using words like But or So, cause those are just lazy words they don't do anything only just add on to the length of the message your putting together, another thing I never did was use profanity since I just didn't look at it as being professional. I still can't break that forced rhyme though sometimes. Maybe it's my OCD? LMAO!
I would generally say possibility would be determined by how much it stands out or blends in an audio recording... With good accompaniment you can get away with a lot more.
...but that is just my opinion. I have such bad OCD and won't mix my audio with background unless the vocals are 100% free of noise...I hear even the very small noises and it drives me crazy...
Hey there! It's a very close rhyme, and extremely usable in lyric writing. It's technically called 'additive' rhyme, since we're not *perfectly* matching the consonant sound at the end - it's adding the 'z' sound that the s is making. So not perfect, but very close, and very usable. Note that it would have a different effect than rhyming "stars" with "dark". Here, it's not additive - the consonants 'z' and 'k' are in different families - so we still hear the rhyme, the words are connected. But it's not as tightly resolved and stable as rhyming 'stars' with 'cars' for example.
I believe the two different “th” sounds are “then” and “thanks”. Say the word “thanks” but pronounce the “th” like you would in “then” and you should be able to notice the difference.
Well said, Liquid - exactly. It's the difference between the 'voiced' and 'unvoiced' version of a consonant sound. Another example where you can hear it clearly is the difference between 'breath' vs 'breathe'.
Thanks, Iain! If there's every videos, tutorials, or topics you'd like to see (or see more of), please let me know here: facebook.com/keppiecoutts/posts/5788800087813751
I feel like you're doing a disservice by not mentioning phonemes in general so that people can see those "families." Also, isn't it technically a subdivision of slant rhyme?
A. man just got arrested we’re owning cannabis He got a life sentence he doesn’t deserve this oh deer what are broken system he knew the sentence he got was just insane because of the situation he went from Christian to Jane cuz that doesn’t involve God he said there goes my life There goes my future my everything Might as well just kiss It all goodbye there goes my life he wanted so desperately to return back home surrounded by many people he still felt All alone as he was defenseless trembling in fear The guards will still harsh on him They just not care said there goes my wife there goes my future my everything might as well just kiss it all goodbye his he had doctors appointments that he could not afford and so his physical problems were just being ignored oh dear how we take things for granted He said there goes my life the goes my future my everything might as well just kiss it all goodbye there goes my life - [ ] And incredibly creative rhyme that I came up with was a rhyme scheme using an obscure religion call Janeism
Brilliant. These morsels of songwriting knowledge have been in my brain and on the edge of my tongue for decades but I could not articulate them,; however, your explanations have given a clear understanding and a useful life to these strategies and ideas. Bravo!
The last family is Nasal and it only includes /n/ /m/ and /ng/
Roger Miller was an incredible song writer. He could make up a song while standing on stage and having people calling out topics. He also created interesting rhymes like "Rose are red, violets are purple. Sugar is sweet and so is maple syruple". And of course he came up with crazy song phrases like "You can't roller skate in a buffalo heard or you can't go fishin' in a watermelon patch"
Thanks for this...and for EVERYTHING you two are doing.
Brilliant! I love this vid. I never thought of rhyme in this way. Opens up the possibilities. Thank you!
I wonder if this shift from perfect rhymes to imperfect rhymes were the result of changes in how we (the US) consumed media.
The 1940s and 50s saw a change in poetry - beat poets pushed against traditional, more flowery poetry in form and function. Add to that the popularity of the LP, which was now cheaper to manufacture and distribute, people were hearing more pop music at home than ever.
I wonder if a shift from reading - where you can "see" the craft of perfect rhymes - to Listening, where the experience of sound allows for more flexibility in craft, led to this shift in style.
I still feel that perfect rhymes are the best.. The lyrics feels more tightly crafted and sophisticated.
Great video! This is some true knowledge on youtube.
Brilliant guidance about family rhyme. Thanks a lot.
Solid concepts. Thanks once again.
I’m all in. This is great knowledge!!
That's my thing where I'm a perfect rhyme type writer, I'm still kinda stuck in that.
But I like stuff like "Wither and Tither" or "Hesitation to Devastation" , "Certainly an Epiphany"
Now I can see and it immediately popped in my head "Rave with Bathe"
Atlas Stands Tall
You want to ask how I've been, and play pretend as if we were any type of friends!
Well I lost the life of a best friend, who left a family fatherless in the end.
Watched my mom and dad pass away slowly till their dying day. As the country they served did nothing, just allowed them to rot and decay, while saying it's okay.
Had the love of a life, lose to a needle that was deadlier than any knife.
I just wished they could stay, take me away. This is a game I won't play!
Here I am though, standing tall. Carrying the weight of it, as if my name were Atlas.
Sometimes I still question, how I got through it all. Though all I know is I've got to stand tall.
That's ,y way of writing but I was really influenced by 1th/18th/19th century style poets, limericks, prose and con's and like using similar words that relate to what I'm saying.
All throughout the 90's when I first started writing to challenge myself and make it more relatable to any reader I wouldn't use gender words for awhile, it was just You , I, Me, Them, They so that way anybody could put themselves in the shoes no matter what gender they were it was a unisex type of relation for the reader. Now I'm challenging myself by not using words like But or So, cause those are just lazy words they don't do anything only just add on to the length of the message your putting together, another thing I never did was use profanity since I just didn't look at it as being professional. I still can't break that forced rhyme though sometimes. Maybe it's my OCD? LMAO!
wow this is so helpful thank you. i wish i could find this topic in Arabic..
I so much love this Chanel
i like how "heart" rhymes with "fart".
where is the video continuing this one???
Any book recommendations where we can learn more?
The Essential Guide to Rhyming by Pat Pattison ;)
@@htws Thank you
Would rhyming two words like “far” and “stars” be considered a perfect rhyme? Just curious. Thanks!
I would generally say possibility would be determined by how much it stands out or blends in an audio recording... With good accompaniment you can get away with a lot more.
...but that is just my opinion. I have such bad OCD and won't mix my audio with background unless the vocals are 100% free of noise...I hear even the very small noises and it drives me crazy...
Hey there! It's a very close rhyme, and extremely usable in lyric writing. It's technically called 'additive' rhyme, since we're not *perfectly* matching the consonant sound at the end - it's adding the 'z' sound that the s is making. So not perfect, but very close, and very usable. Note that it would have a different effect than rhyming "stars" with "dark". Here, it's not additive - the consonants 'z' and 'k' are in different families - so we still hear the rhyme, the words are connected. But it's not as tightly resolved and stable as rhyming 'stars' with 'cars' for example.
@@keppiecoutts Cool! Thanks for the explanation! 🎸🤘
Why two sets of TH in Fricative family? Also you said there were 3 types... I only caught 2, did I miss something?
I believe the two different “th” sounds are “then” and “thanks”. Say the word “thanks” but pronounce the “th” like you would in “then” and you should be able to notice the difference.
@@liquidsolids9415 oh, ok. that makes sense. both hard and soft are in same category since they are very similar in sound.
Well said, Liquid - exactly. It's the difference between the 'voiced' and 'unvoiced' version of a consonant sound. Another example where you can hear it clearly is the difference between 'breath' vs 'breathe'.
@@keppiecoutts Thanks!
This is brilliant shit!!
Thanks, Iain! If there's every videos, tutorials, or topics you'd like to see (or see more of), please let me know here: facebook.com/keppiecoutts/posts/5788800087813751
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I feel like you're doing a disservice by not mentioning phonemes in general so that people can see those "families." Also, isn't it technically a subdivision of slant rhyme?
Hey I read "Writing Better Lyrics" by Pat Pattison too!
U have th twice
"plosive" "fricative" - how do I trust you're not making these words up? 🤔😂
A. man just got arrested we’re owning cannabis He got a life sentence he doesn’t deserve this oh deer what are broken system he knew the sentence he got was just insane because of the situation he went from Christian to Jane cuz that doesn’t involve God he said there goes my life There goes my future my everything Might as well just kiss It all goodbye there goes my life he wanted so desperately to return back home surrounded by many people he still felt All alone as he was defenseless trembling in fear The guards will still harsh on him They just not care said there goes my wife there goes my future my everything might as well just kiss it all goodbye his he had doctors appointments that he could not afford and so his physical problems were just being ignored oh dear how we take things for granted He said there goes my life the goes my future my everything might as well just kiss it all goodbye there goes my life
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And incredibly creative rhyme that I came up with was a rhyme scheme using an obscure religion call Janeism