We are working on that. It is a matter of setting up the tech and the tech person here is also a mother a wife and a teacher so we go on her schedule. I will light a fire under her for you. Look in the archives, there are a few several hour long podcast form of me cleaning stalls and talking to myself.
My mentor designed a bit with a shallow mullened mouthpiece and very swept back swivel shanks. Can ride pretty much anything with them, the mouthpiece is simple with nothing much going on and the shanks swivel freely so you can use a direct rein if needed but once accustomed to it horses can feel the shanks move. The bit has been invaluable to teaching a horse to ride one handed and begin roping. Being as simple and unitimidating as they are I've put them in Colts with a week's riding with no harm or trouble. I rode far too many horses in a snaffle for too long until I had these bits, to me they're the perfect transition without having to use a two rein.
@wolfgangknoll-ev6gl well, Google spells it both ways. The woman who taught me kimberwicke was my first riding instructor and also the coach for the Japanese Olympic equestrian team. I went with her version.
My horse is a special kind of stupid and has his tongue out waging even when he is resting in his stall. I barely have to pick up the reins when I ride him but the one I ride him in is an old Sliester bit with I guess what they call a Salinas mouth piece on it? He does great in it.
Not to worry the Kentucky Derby was won one year by a tongue doodler. I have three of them. It's in the genes. Mom, daughter and half brother. All awesome horses with great minds.
Take advantage of your educational opportunity...yes you can call it whatever you want but correct terminology is always best given. Thanks for your video
You didn't mention poll pressure, which a leverage bit creates in it's actuation. And again, the technical definition of a snaffle is a ring bit, (Cheek pieces) not the mouthpiece. I am not trying to argue, it is a fact, whether or not you acknowledge it , your definition of a snaffle can confuse your viewers, so details are important. The bit you showed that you couldn't recall the name of is a Kimberwick, which again, is defined by the cheeks. The bit you described as a "shanked snaffle" that you do not have, is a Tom Thumb...(or an Argentine, depending on shank configuration) which is a shanked bit with a broken mouthpiece...it is also a junk bit, and unfair to the horse ,as it can give conflicting signals to the horse. Some bits, (gags for example) are unfair, even when used by so called "Soft hands"...They tend to be used by "Speed event" riders that use them as brakes, which, if the horse is well trained, shouldn't require It..bits aren't brakes, and harsh bits are used by people who want short cuts.
I actually do love it when people "educate" (inform, contradict, correct, clarify, elaborate, oppose, provide conflicting or enlightening information, et.al) me on any subject, learning never stops if you are open to it.
@@loryspencer8215 The thing is you didn't. Yes that is a Kimberwick cheek with a high Cambridge mouth, I forgot. Did you ever forget something? A Tom Thumb is a specific cheek and its action is different than that of other leverage bits without regard to whether it has a jointed mouth or not. The same goes for the Argentin, it is not a specific bit rather a specific cheek. You could have a spade with an Argentin cheek if you wanted, it would be stupid but it could be done. What else? A snaffle is only a zero leverage bit on an O ring. Ok what about D ring? Egg butt? Done Dodge? Full cheek? Half cheek? I could go on. A Dexter has leverage yet it is considered a snaffle by the Jockey club. A Berry has leverage and is considered a snaffle. If I tie a string from ring to ring over the nose of the horse on an O ring snaffle it has leverage so is it no longer a snaffle? What is it? A strait bar with rings that you drive with is not called a snaffle yet it has zero leverage. Lastly I did forget poll pressure you are correct. Again have you ever forgotten anything? I also like being corrected and educated, I dont like being contradicted. We have had enough conversations over the years that I know you will pick one of these subjects as your hill to fight to the end and I am prepared. Just watch again and you will see I said something along the lines of "in my mind anything with a broken mouth is a snaffle" that is not the same as saying "Anything with a broken mouth is a snaffle". You can call any bit anything you want and I won't care, all I care about is the mechanics of a bit and all broken mouths have the same mechanics.
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt I honestly think we are saying basically the same thing...in a very round about way..As I stated, I was speaking for myself. I do not pretend to "educate"..or contradict you, of all people. I personally don't have a problem with it..I love to be challenged. Definitions of bits is a slippery slope, but the fact is that when I said a snaffle is a "Ring" bit, (I never said O ring, as to me, that is specifically a loose ring..) what I should have said, is that a snaffle is a Direct contact bit, without shanks....by definition, however, many people identify anything with a "broken mouthpiece" to be a snaffle. I'm not trying to die on any hill here, it's just what I have always known to be true in my (TOO MANY) years in the horse world. Your mileage may..and does.. vary. If someone is in the public eye as an educator, it behooves them to consider the audience/pupils... And yes, I forget daily...hourly, if I am being honest...but I am not putting out educational videos...(Thankfully)
There were several of us that requested a discussion of more common/normal western bits (apart from the spade). Thanks so much for this!!
you bet! Im actually planning on a better version yet.
Have you considered putting out audio only on podcasts? I would like to listen while I work! Many thanks.
We are working on that. It is a matter of setting up the tech and the tech person here is also a mother a wife and a teacher so we go on her schedule. I will light a fire under her for you. Look in the archives, there are a few several hour long podcast form of me cleaning stalls and talking to myself.
My mentor designed a bit with a shallow mullened mouthpiece and very swept back swivel shanks. Can ride pretty much anything with them, the mouthpiece is simple with nothing much going on and the shanks swivel freely so you can use a direct rein if needed but once accustomed to it horses can feel the shanks move.
The bit has been invaluable to teaching a horse to ride one handed and begin roping. Being as simple and unitimidating as they are I've put them in Colts with a week's riding with no harm or trouble.
I rode far too many horses in a snaffle for too long until I had these bits, to me they're the perfect transition without having to use a two rein.
A snaffle can really foul things.
Great presentation, nice and straight forward.
Thank you
That first bit is called a Kimberwicke.
Thank you I can never remember.
Kimblewick ✌️
@@wolfgangknoll-ev6gl yes thank you
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt no problem😊
@wolfgangknoll-ev6gl well, Google spells it both ways. The woman who taught me kimberwicke was my first riding instructor and also the coach for the Japanese Olympic equestrian team. I went with her version.
Any bit can be a brutal jawbreaker in the hands of a bricklayer.
In theory
The first bit is a high port kimbawich
Thank you I always forget.
You're debunking an awfull lot of urban legends and myths here. Good message brought well !!!!!!
Thank you.
The 7 has a San Joaquin mouth I believe. Nice looking freno
its a Fresno must have been a bad angle on the camera
My horse is a special kind of stupid and has his tongue out waging even when he is resting in his stall. I barely have to pick up the reins when I ride him but the one I ride him in is an old Sliester bit with I guess what they call a Salinas mouth piece on it? He does great in it.
Not to worry the Kentucky Derby was won one year by a tongue doodler. I have three of them. It's in the genes. Mom, daughter and half brother. All awesome horses with great minds.
Take advantage of your educational opportunity...yes you can call it whatever you want but correct terminology is always best given.
Thanks for your video
You bet
You didn't mention poll pressure, which a leverage bit creates in it's actuation. And again, the technical definition of a snaffle is a ring bit, (Cheek pieces) not the mouthpiece. I am not trying to argue, it is a fact, whether or not you acknowledge it , your definition of a snaffle can confuse your viewers, so details are important. The bit you showed that you couldn't recall the name of is a Kimberwick, which again, is defined by the cheeks. The bit you described as a "shanked snaffle" that you do not have, is a Tom Thumb...(or an Argentine, depending on shank configuration) which is a shanked bit with a broken mouthpiece...it is also a junk bit, and unfair to the horse ,as it can give conflicting signals to the horse. Some bits, (gags for example) are unfair, even when used by so called "Soft hands"...They tend to be used by "Speed event" riders that use them as brakes, which, if the horse is well trained, shouldn't require It..bits aren't brakes, and harsh bits are used by people who want short cuts.
I love it when people educate me on bits.
I just now put two and two together about who you are. Gosh Im slow sometimes.
I actually do love it when people "educate" (inform, contradict, correct, clarify, elaborate, oppose, provide conflicting or enlightening information, et.al) me on any subject, learning never stops if you are open to it.
@@loryspencer8215 The thing is you didn't. Yes that is a Kimberwick cheek with a high Cambridge mouth, I forgot. Did you ever forget something? A Tom Thumb is a specific cheek and its action is different than that of other leverage bits without regard to whether it has a jointed mouth or not. The same goes for the Argentin, it is not a specific bit rather a specific cheek. You could have a spade with an Argentin cheek if you wanted, it would be stupid but it could be done. What else? A snaffle is only a zero leverage bit on an O ring. Ok what about D ring? Egg butt? Done Dodge? Full cheek? Half cheek? I could go on. A Dexter has leverage yet it is considered a snaffle by the Jockey club. A Berry has leverage and is considered a snaffle. If I tie a string from ring to ring over the nose of the horse on an O ring snaffle it has leverage so is it no longer a snaffle? What is it? A strait bar with rings that you drive with is not called a snaffle yet it has zero leverage. Lastly I did forget poll pressure you are correct. Again have you ever forgotten anything? I also like being corrected and educated, I dont like being contradicted. We have had enough conversations over the years that I know you will pick one of these subjects as your hill to fight to the end and I am prepared. Just watch again and you will see I said something along the lines of "in my mind anything with a broken mouth is a snaffle" that is not the same as saying "Anything with a broken mouth is a snaffle". You can call any bit anything you want and I won't care, all I care about is the mechanics of a bit and all broken mouths have the same mechanics.
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt I honestly think we are saying basically the same thing...in a very round about way..As I stated, I was speaking for myself. I do not pretend to "educate"..or contradict you, of all people. I personally don't have a problem with it..I love to be challenged. Definitions of bits is a slippery slope, but the fact is that when I said a snaffle is a "Ring" bit, (I never said O ring, as to me, that is specifically a loose ring..) what I should have said, is that a snaffle is a Direct contact bit, without shanks....by definition, however, many people identify anything with a "broken mouthpiece" to be a snaffle. I'm not trying to die on any hill here, it's just what I have always known to be true in my (TOO MANY) years in the horse world. Your mileage may..and does.. vary. If someone is in the public eye as an educator, it behooves them to consider the audience/pupils... And yes, I forget daily...hourly, if I am being honest...but I am not putting out educational videos...(Thankfully)
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