Shit needs to be taken out or a new stat to credit the OLine for the TD has to exist because im sick of the "He HaS 6000 RuSh TDs so hE iS ObVIouSLy MvP!!!" argument. They could tape a football to a sex doll and still score the TD. The ravens put in a TE to run a tush push because thats how little it matters lmao theyd rather a guy not accustomed to taking snaps handle the play also to avoid injury which is Allen biggest selling point on his legacy right now. He may not be this years worthy MVP, but he is fucking ironman.
@yoursodumn almost half of his TDs are within the 5 and I believe 17 or 18 of those are from the 1. Out of like just shy of 60 TDs thats a high percentage from the 1.
Let's see who is more valuable to their team. Allen has had 5 games with a passer rating under 85 and the Bills still won 3 of those games Lamar has had 3 games with a passer rating under 100 and the Ravens lost every one of those games That tells me the Bills can still win without Allen but the Ravens can't without Lamar. Then when you take in account the much easier schedule and division of the Bills and Lamar leading in every stat that matters this should not even be close. Lamar beats Allen in the eye test as well. This whole narrative about Lamar having Derrick is ridiculous. First off Derrick is having a career year at age 30, I wonder why that is? 🤔 Also Lamar has won 2 MVPs without Derrick and the Ravens were better last year without Derrick. ALSO.....what about all the other QBs that won the MVP award with talent around them in previous years. It's not like Josh doesn't have weapons or doesn't have a much better O-line than Lamar. Sounds like the babbling talking heads on tv are just making up ridiculous excuses to try to push an agenda to give the award to Allen out of pitty. I mean yeah it sucks for Josh that he's playing in the same era as Lamar and Mahomes but it is what it is. Just because Josh is having his best year ever doesn't mean you have to ignore the record setting year Lamar is having.
Lmfaoo ok so the funniest part about that is how u ignore the fact that the ravens have a losing record when depending on Lamar to pass and hits over 30 pass attempts. Its actually hilarious that u can try to make the argument he’s more valuable when saying the team is worse after acquiring a hof rb who’s having a career year😭. But hey whatever u gotta tell yourself to cope buddy
@grimlockthethrasher1 remember when josh allen got destroyed by the 32nd ranked defense and then the bills went out and got him a number 1 wr. Plus when allen has a sub 100 rating the bills are 4-2. That's not an mvp stat
When Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers won those MVP nobody had nothing to say about voters fatigue. Now here comes the Brothers and all of a sudden it's voters fatigue.🤣🤣🤣
When Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers won those MVP nobody had nothing to say about voters fatigue. Now here comes the Brothers and all of a sudden it's voters fatigue.🤣🤣🤣
If Lamar doesn't win the mvp, the NFL has lost me. You are totally wrong about being in the conversation. Get real. 3 MVPS in his mid 20s sets him up for another big contract, HOF talks and being the best 3 different times.
That and Lamar just cooked the same defense that Josh had 9/30 against. I don’t why the media has seemingly forgotten about Josh Allen failing to put up 10 points on the worst passing defense in the league at the time
There is no competition. Lamar deserves it, even if he doesn't get it. The narratives are garbage. Created by Allen stans. They say Lamar supporters said stats don't matter last season. Not true. Allen depreciated his stats by leading the league in ints. By playing reckless so often, that his coaches decided to take the ball out of his hands to make the playoffs. Winston had 5k yards with 30 tds a few years ago, but wasn't considered, due to his recklessness. In contrast, Lamar boosted his stats by playing his best last season when the lights were brightest. Every time a team was lauded as a huge test, a contender, or even superior, he was his most productive and efficient, as he led his team to the best record against winning teams in 40 years. This season, he has the stats. Has a better record against winning teams, in a harder division. He'll end up with 5k total yards. With perhaps, the greatest td/int ratio in history. Going for the best overall passer rating in history. Led his team late in the season, with great play, to a lead in his division, after a month ago, people said they had no shot. Ridiculous to suggest, he isn't the MVP. It's not even close.
Lamar depreciated his stats this season by losing to the Raiders and Browns, and several other losses. And didn’t beat the 1 seeds from both conferences. And needed a HOF RB to put up this stats that he did.
No that is true because last year Lamar Jackson used the same narrative that Josh Allen is using this year to win MVP because his statistics were well below Brocks but he got MVP because he had a much much worse team and let them to 13 wins end the statistics Gap was just as large between Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson this year as they were brock and Lamar last year and a lot of people are saying Lamar Jackson deserves it because of his statistics when it's not really fair because y'all are changing the rules to best fit Lamar Jackson and the people who are just voting for Josh Allen to win MVP aren't doing get out of pity we do it because that's how MVP was decided last year
Brock Purdy is also far from an MVP. Only reason his stats were any good last year is because he had a HOF RB in CMC at his side. How is Purdy doing this year without CMC?
I’ve seen people try to compare last year with ravens have better record but Allen better stats to this year Lamar having better stats but bills. Better record. The difference is ravens finished #1 in the AFC last year and bills were a WC. This year bills are 2nd while ravens will finish 3rd The difference between 2nd and 3rd to me is not a big enuff gap.
Stat wise Lamar is better this yr but that does not mean he is MVP. Offensive player of the year award sure but not MVP if it was all about stats then Lamar should give back his last 2 MVP
My issue really comes down to the fact that Allen shouldnt even be top 3 in my opinion. 4807 total yards, 43 total TDs 39 pass/4 rush, 8 TOs, 121 passer rating 4818 total yards, 44 total TDs 42 pass/2 rush (1 tush push/QB sneak), 8 TOs, 109 passer rating 4262 total yards, 40 total TDs 28 pass/12 rush (probably 6 tush pushes lmao), 7 TOs, 101 passer rating (Potentially) Best RB season of all time. Without names I know who isnt winning 😂 If we talk and someone says Burrow or Saquon are the MVP ill have a discussion because thats a reasonable point with a good foundation. Allen only has team record, and that should only ever be used to break a tie lmao. Edit: fixed TD numbers because I had some wrong on one stat line.
@vKrisWithaK what QB had 40 pass TDs, less than 10 TOs and 5k total yards? Oh right noone. Offense was down overall last year. No QB MVP would have been historically "GREAT!!!" thats why CMC should have won it, but he was the right QB.
@BuffaloKL thats because Brady, Rodgers, and Peyton doninated the award for years. Team record can be very telling of a QBs performance, but being 11-5 vs 13-3 is not a large change. If the stats were close it can be a potential tie breaker sort of deal, but they just arent.
Josh & Lamar are both having great seasons. Last year Lamar won it based on team record cause his stats were good but not spectacular. This year, Lamar has great stats, better stats than Josh but Josh also has great stats, just like Burrow. If you follow last year narrative, what separates both players this year (sorry Burrow) is Josh has a better team record…I agree, let’s celebrate both players and not s**t on one player to prop up the next. It’s undeniable they are both having great seasons and unless some other random (not named Saquan) wins the MVP, they are both deserving
Let’s drop the real fact. Majority of the MVP voters are former players. Like Acho. Who hates on Lamar daily. Not because he has legitimate criticism, but because he is jealous AF! Of Lamar’s rise and talent. Ppl like Acho, their entire demeanor changes the moment Lamar comes up. Because they’re jealous. If Lana’s wins 2 Super Bowls. He will be in the goat of goat conversation with Brady. And Montana. And leap frogging Mahomes
lamar deserves to win the mvp. but unfortunately josh Allen will win it. for whatever reason the media wants him to win it and they want josh Allen in the mahomes,lamar category. anyone who knows football. lamar jackson has been better than allen in every statistic but the tush push. lets go get the super bowl
When Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers won those MVP nobody had nothing to say about voters fatigue. Now here comes the Brothers and all of a sudden it's voters fatigue.🤣🤣🤣
@@GregBackus-o5z "You forgot wins, that’s a key stat." -Yeah, like Lamar's easy 35-10 stomp out "key stat" WIN against Allen the 4th game of this season. Don't forget that.
@@GregBackus-o5z strength of schedule impacts wins... so does strength of defense. Lamar had the tougher schedule this season & (through the first 11 weeks...2/3 of the season) the worst defense in the league
Not even close to an accurate take. Josh could not care less but let’s keep it real. Josh had better stats last year than Lamar so why bring up stats this year?
@@garyyavicoli4603Josh had 20 turnovers partna, Dak was 2nd last year, yall keep running with these false narratives to justify the BS. Is Josh Tam the number 1 seed? Na he isn't, so see how faulty that argument is
@ false narratives seriously they didn’t get the number one seed they got the number two seed and only because Kansas City had help beating the bangles, ravens, Denver and Raiders. You can spin a stat however you want in the end if Josh was not on the bills, they would not be the two seed and the ravens still have King Henry. Also Buffalo is KC only loss and Buffalo also beat Detroit. Trying to make up shit to support a bullshit take that Josh Allen actually cares about an MVP.
Let’s get it off our back. Let’s start with the Steelers. That will bring a different energy to the team and and give us that championship mentality from the jump.
Its getting stupid. You have many that say Joe should be the MVP. The same people that gave the edge to Josh over Lamar due to more wins... But the more wins theory doesn't apply to Joe?
Right!?! I didn't know that Bills fans were in their feelings like that until we played them...Then I looked at the Bills Reddit and it broke my heart a little (my father who passed away last year was a huge Bills fan). Like I think it would be neat if LJ won the MVP again this season, but damn Mfer's act like the MVP award can cure leukemia or something....crazy.
@mr.warbucks4325 I wish they would give Josh that award, Lamar would be on a mission, the whole team would be motivated to beat the bills every time they play
@@slimreaper4937well, that’s stupid. Lamar has a historic all-time season that basically guarantees him the Hall of Fame (this early in his career) & you hope he doesn’t receive the award he earned by doing things no one in NFL history has ever come close to doing. . . . . .b/c maybe he’ll work harder in the postseason🙄 #no
Way to go, Charlie! IF Baltimore travels to Buffalo in the playoffs, the Bills WILL remember this! Of course, that's assuming that Jackson can string a couple of playoff wins in a row, something that Jackson has NEVER done in 6 years.
So...I guess Ravens players just forgot how bills fans have insulted & dragged Lamar just for being better than Josh? Josh has had a career year... Ravens fans have acknowledged that... but Lamar is having a historic one. Mafia been real loud and disrespectful considering Josh played so badly against us he got benched.
I agree. Running, or that many yards, is hard work! It will be record-breaking. Lamar Jackson is also breaking records. Lamar's will still be in the books, whether media and Bills fans like it or not.
I wish y’all would stop with these absurdly-foolish talking points. No one gets a headache from earning/winning the MVP - no matter how badly other people wish a different athlete won it. Stop dismissing this historic season that Baltimore fans never dreamed was possible under the insanity of “avoiding this headache” or “Lamar doesn’t care about another MVP” or “only the SuperBowl counts; just give it to Josh, Saquon,” etc. Lamar earned it. Lamar deserves it.
@@THEbeautifuLIE So you don't think Lamar is tired of the MVP talk? You must not have seen his interview with Tom Brady, or the conversation he had after the Ravens beat the Texans? He keeps saying he's not concerned about nothing else but team accolades. Im a die hard Cowboys fan, but even I am tired of the elephant in the room that we refuse to speak of (🤫Lamar Jackson can't win a Superbowl with his style of play) i want Lamar to be a Superbowl Champ, and i think Lamar would trade in his potential 3rd MVP for a Superbowl ring. Yes, he can get both, one without sacrificing the other, but if he absolutely had to, he'd trade his 3rd MVP for a SB trophy in a heartbeat, And you would too, so quit the fake outrage about our takes.
Dude stop being an idiot when your office is lying buys you a gift of course you're going to wear it stop being a jackass if your mom bought you a chain that said "king" add a diamonds all over it you still wear it but that doesn't mean you want to be a king
@@mr.warbucks4325I mean if your mom bought you a gold chain necklace with diamonds all over it and it said King that doesn't mean you want to be a king does it? That's not a fair point at all if you're offensive lineman or your parents buy you something as a gift obviously you're going to wear it because they gave you it
Where was this guy last year talking about numbers Jackson had average numbers last year allen beat kc and Detroit 2-0 vs the best Jackson 0-2 vs the best kc and Philly and lost to minchew and Jamis
LJ & Josh don't care about this award. They both want a Lombardi. If they give it to a player that has lower stats but the argument is "Allen did more with less" without showing 4 of 5 Ravens losses also have to do with 10 missed field goals, they cheapen the MVP title. Oddly enough, Josh beat the Chiefs but couldn't beat the Ravens when the Ravens had the worse defense in the league. If it's a co-award, I hope Lamar skips out on the ceremony. If Josh gets it, I hope he acknowledges LJ had a better year. The goal for both should be the Superbowl. As a Ravens fan, that's all we want for the New Year.
@@Will-2BMorePositive did Lamarb acknowledge that Josh, Dak, Purdy, CMC and Hill had better years when he won his? Or did he say "that's dope! Now I finally have as many MVPs as playoff wins because I am a winner and not just a stat padding RBQB!"
Name ONE TIME, one time in the playoffs when it counted that Harbaugh & the Ravens put Lamar in the BEST position to when the game at anytime since 2019??? ILL WAIT!!!
The difference between NBA and NFL is a person plays offense and defense and that's y embid won cause everything was close that year. Emilbid scores more blocks more shots. Joker gets more assist. Everything else is close. That's y embid won MVP that year plus embid dropped 48pts 18 rebs when they played and 76ers won. Let b real now. This is exactly what is happening this year to Lamar
@@geraldjones7718Cincy makes it if Bengals win, Dolphins lose, and Broncos lose. Best chance for a playoff team making noise is probably Bengals, but the Dolphins might also have a shot too. Broncos have a great defense, but their rookie QB looks out of their depth.
@@geraldjones7718 "Cinny makes it if Pitt loses." -No; they only make it if they win PLUS get help of a Denver loss PLUS a LA Chargers loss. If either Denver or LA Chargers win = Cincy stays out, so it don't matter if Cincy wins and goes 9-8, that's still not enough to make the play-offs if Denver and Chargers BOTH win.
@@aravendownsouth7117saying that very same s***, and both games our ravens barely escaped defeat, Humphrey was that guy both times!!! I definitely do not want a 3rd match!!!!
Alien shouldn’t even by in the convo. He’s not doing anything special this year. The real Convo should be between Lamar and Barkley. The nfl and media is tryn force it on Josh for some strange reason
The only reason Lamar is ahead with stats is because Bills bench Allen the entire 4th quarter every time they are winning by a good margin and that happened like 3 or 2 times already. So there you go.
Listen, how last year was decided doesn’t matter, it was a down year for QBs across the league. Allen didn’t even have his best statistical season last year and was inefficient, threw almost half as many int as tds and had twice as many pass attempts as the next qb. They gave it to Lamar who didn’t have the best stats cuz he beat 5 playoff teams and 3 teams in the hunt and was the 1 seed cuz statically everyone was bad so they defaulted to that. This year a lot of QBs are having career years, so the criteria is different. Allen’s stats are down, they have beaten 2 playoff teams and are the 2 seed, so comparing that to Lamar last year he still wouldn’t win. The ravens are right behind the bills having beat more playoff teams with better stats this year. You bills fans and Allen glazers are out of your minds, wanting Allen to get award he clearly hasn’t earned, if he gets it it’s a pitty award and will always discussed with skepticism, you guys don’t see it now but it will be down the line. When they talk about it will be followed up with buts and questions.
numbers and context only matters when it’s working out for Lamar.. but let’s ignore 5 maybe 6 losses .. let’s ignore 100+ more snaps at QB.. let’s ignore the fact that his division is still up for grabs in week 18 🥴 foh
I'm sorry Kevin but what Romo said might really be true. Think back to when Lamar was going for a 2nd Heisman. He had better stats that year than he did when he won it. But Baker was a 3 time finalist without winning it(if I'm correct) so voters have it to him over Lamar. Lamar had better stats but Baker had a better team record that year. I'm team Lamar so if hate to see that happen to him again. But I guess we'll see.
Could make argument about mahomes being MVP or joe burrow but mahomes has but Lamar deserves not josh no friggin way Lamar has 39 td passes and 11 rush td with 3998 pass to yds to josh a 3230 pass yds 32 td pass and 14 rush
I want the Bengals to make the playoffs. They have the best chance to beat the bills and chiefs out of the teams that can be a 7th seed and if that’s their only road to the AFC Championship. As a 7th seed you’d have to beat the bills then chiefs to face the Ravens in the AFCC. That also means every game is at the Bank. So… Go Bengals lol.
We must get the chargers so here’s hoping to a Steelers victory. Why? 15-20 degrees the night of 1.11.25 when they will probably play their wildcard game. The chargers don’t want that smoke.
Josh has sat 4 4th quarters this year. I could be wrong, but Lamar is 1 for sure, maybe 2? The narrative last year was wins and best team. Now the goalposts are changing to stats? The constant narrative last year was Allen has too many turnovers. Ok, fair, but he also had over 40 tds for 4 consecutive seasons and now has 40 plus for a 5th consecutive season. Turnovers have never really been a barrier to MVP entry as is. Kurt Warner had 22, Marino had 17, Manning, Favre, Montana each had 16. If turnovers are the issue, Lamar has more this year if we include fumbles as we should. He's got at least 2 of his 9 in the red zone. You've also gotta include narratives here. Buffalo was supposed to be in a rebuild year and Baltimore was supposed to be the top AFC team. If stats is the only argument, it's a weak one. If Josh plays all those quarters he didn't because of a blow out, these stats are closer than they currently are and Allen is likely to sit the last game. They're both playing ball, but if you don't think Allen deserves it this year, then you need to at the least acknowledge that Lamar with 23 passing tds and 29 total last year didn't deserve it and the narratives your complaining about were all on Lamars side last season. Go rewatch any of the talking heads and the narrative was all Lamar.
@RavensFlock9592 I legit didn't know of he's sat other games or not, so fair enough. Lamar does have 100 more snaps this season though, so somewhat supports what I'm saying here. Obviously those aren't all passes and what have you, but there's a little something there that matters.
@@TheBennyVan Ravens had the best record in the league and the hardest schedule which is why Lamar won MVP last year. Bills don't have the best record and had one of the easiest schedules. There's no comparison
@@tdup191 Sure there is. Allen's stats were far and away better last year (besides turnovers, which Lamar has more of this year). Buffalo was the 2 seed with 2 more losses than the Ravens. Ravens currently are the 3 seed with 2 more losses than Buffalo. It's kinda crazy how similar the situation is actually. If Lamar wins it, that's cool with me even as a Bills fan. Y'all Ravens fans just switched it up though. Last year oh it's not stats, his team record is better. Now it's, well look at the stats!! Can't really have it both ways. If you want to scream stats than you should at the least be consistent in that Lamar shouldn't have won last year then if team success is being taken out of the equation. If the Ravens lose to the browns and Lamar has a bad game (I doubt that'll happen) the conversation will truly be over. Especially if the Ravens don't win their division. They'll be no conversation to have.
@@TheBennyVan you obviously didn't comprehend what I wrote so read it again. Josh has NONE of the factors going for him tht Lamar did last year. Besides Allen had over 20 turnovers last year so he didn't deserve it last year either. Using your argument Mahomes is this year MVP not Josh 😂
To Lamar and his people DO NOT BE A PART of ANY!! CO MVP NONSENSE!!! Do not capitulate to any of that political B.S. They are doing EVERYTHING to give Allen the mvp. The one thing that I learned about sports as a young athlete was that THE BEST PLAYERS WIN!!! NO!!. do not placate these people. The best player wins period!
Like last year, LJ won MVP with better record and less on stats, it will be the same. 49/50 votes for LJ last year, clearly indicate voters not just looking at stats.. Bills 2-0 against #1 seed in each conference. Rest 1-28 includes Ravens. Josh Allen will win MVP 😊
Nope😂 Lamar’s stats obliterate Josh’s this season. . .& he didn’t win it over Josh last season - Josh was barely top-5 in MVP discussion(s)/ranking. 20 turnovers are kind of a big deal, kiddo😅
What about the head to head game, Bills vs Ravens? When they played, Josh couldn't handle one of the worse defense in the league. Just like the Purdy vs Jackson debate last year ... the head to head was a factor. Yes, the Bills beat the SB champion Chiefs but couldn't beat the 29th ranked defense at the time when they played the Ravens. 4 of 5 Ravens losses were due to missed FG's. Hopefully Lamar uses the slight to go out and crush everyone in his path. Allen will win it with less stats because that's the mission for this season. It's insane to believe a guy with better stats in every category won't get the award because a special teams player couldn't do his job 😂 Get that Lombardi LJ!
@@Will-2BMorePositive same thing over and over?? Do you think Bills roster at that time and defense give up 250 yard on the ground and Bills coaches had nothing work for them. And that was week 4!!?? WOW week 4 performance compare to Chiefs, Rams, Lions games Do you really think voter would care about week 4 results?? They care more about win and loses than those H2H game because LJ won last year because Ravens were at top most of the season when Bills Chiefs struggle most of them.. so keep bring up H2H laughable documents lol.. 😅 Voter probably think 32nd most important criteria on their lists lol!! Go Bills ❄️ ⛄️ see you in late January and witness what is greatness lol.. showmen will take early vacation like usual!!
@@NewYorkNYKer If we go to "that was week 4" then the only loss that we can pin on Lamar was week 1 and that was because of a toe. Voters will look at the stats and then head to head since it's that close. Special teams lost games for the Ravens after getting put in position to score. The Bills got beat badly by the MVP competition and you want to ignore that. OK, that's the way you want to address that debate concerning wins vs losses ... ignore the head to head and ignore Special teams issues. So go to stats ... who deserves it when you compare stats? Your Fandom is admirable but let's keep it even when your look at the numbers. Lamar wins when you look at stats. And, tbh, showman can apply to both so be careful...your QB might do what they both typically do ... watching the Superbowl like the rest of us.
Its not all about stats you fools that think it is dont know how it goes. If you want to say offensive player a yr then sure Lamar has it base on his stats. But for MVP its more then stats and if you guys want to keep going on stats for the reason that Lamar should win then Lamar should give back his last 2 MVP because his stats were no where near worthy of MVP especially last yr keep moving the goal poat 1 yr its not about his stats thats why he won 2023 and now its about his stats
JOSH ALLEN MIGHT WIN THIS AWARD , WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW Lamar is Better But ur Also gonna see Josh Allen n Mahomes All over tv this playoffs coming up. lol
Yeah and last year your guys STATS were not that great there were a few QBs with STATS. But this year you changed because you think Lamar should win because of STATS. If you want to make STATS Joe Barrow should win.
Voters fatigue is real we know if Josh was having the season lame is having there would be no question who will win mvp and they would be calling Josh the best ever 😂
Lmfaoo the comparison is wrong josh is having a season comparable to Jokic’s first mvp against embiid. The actual narrative is that Lamar is more popular than Josh and since he’s won it before last year with terrible stats for an mvp he’s supposed to get it again. But thats my personal take on tht comparison as a jokic fan as well. In regards to who deserves it sure Lamar is having his best statistical season but people try to act like it’s this big difference when it’s really not. Whether u want to acknowledge it or not Lamar is benefitting from Derrick Henry which is why he’s having a career year(as is the same for derrick henry) and despite that the ravens have been worse this season and have bad losses to teams like the raiders and browns. And before someone comes trying to flex that win over the bills well guess who ran for 200 yards for that game🤷🏾♂️. Not to mention that was early in the season and the bills have gone on to beat the chiefs and lions. And yes this all on top of his narrative that everyone was hating on the bills b4 the season predicting them to be out the playoffs and for Allen to take a step back w/o Diggs, yet here he is again proving the doubters wrong and having his 5th straight season of 40+ tds and getting the bills the 2 seed b4 week 18, going undefeated at home and in the division(so far cuz we have one more game and josh might not play). Its funny you said that you thought Lamar has done enough to lock up the MVP award but he wasn’t even and still hasnt been the betting odds favorite for Mvp and he’s only put himself back in it because the ravens have cleaned up their act and moved up to 1st in their division and the 3 seed. I think ya should worry about locking that up more than the MVP. Either way tho ur 100% right that both players care more about the super bowl and would probably trade the mvp to get the title. I love watching both play tbh I just think Josh gets slighted more often than not and yes ofc ik wat Lamar went through but if ur acting like he’s still hated or overshadowed after 2 mvps u gotta be delusional. And when Josh wins mvp it will be because he deserves it and was the best player in football
-Brady won and mvp with Randy Moss -Matt Ryan won an MVP with Julio jones - Kurt Warner won with Issac Bruce, Tory Holt, Marshal Faulk -Peyton win with Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison , Edgerrin James - Joe Montana and steve young both won with Kerry rice - Mahomes won one with Kelce and Tyrese hill I can keep going The point is every former mvp has played with an elite star at the skill position. Not once was what that qb diminished or downplayed for having elite skill players around them when they won mvp/ Why all of a sudden are people like you now wanting to downplay what Lamar is doing becuz for the 1st time in his career he’s playing with a star skill player? Mind you lamas won mvpj in 2019 with trash skill players
@@grimlockthethrasher1let’s be real rushing tds aren’t that impressive. Lamar could have a bunch of those but he doesn’t need to run for a td when he’s throwing the ball at such an efficient clip
@ lmfaoo but rushing yards😂😂 cuz i coulda swore thats the narrative lamar has built his legacy on. What is impressive tho is game winning td runs when none of ur receivers can get open against the best team in the league but🤷🏾♂️
This is BS!!!!! We could all say the same thing about KC! Why do they have a problem with Lamar getting a 3rd MVP, BUT EVERYONE wants KC to repeat for the 3rd time and win another Super Bowl.
The racial divide is sad Jackson MVP last year was a total joke woke award, but Allen getting hammered is nothing but racial,last year's Jackson stats were a joke,but its about stats this yr ok got it😂😂😂
You using the Lamar only won MVP last year because of woke excuse sounds like a big dose of copium to me. You just need to deal with the fact that Lamar is just a better QB and player than Josh Allen is.
I don't like how the rules keep changing for MVP that's why I'm voting for Josh Allen because Lamar Jackson used THE EXACT team narrative last year that Josh Allen is using this year to win MVP and last year y'all clearly stated "STATISTICS DON'T MATTER" but now this year y'all are being such assholes about statistics and how much they matter now that Lamar Jackson has it in his favor and then y'all keep talking about head-to-head which I've personally not heard of head-to-head mattering too much when it comes to MVP despite y'all losing to an MVP runner named saquon Barkley and you lost to Patrick mahomes when he was in the MVP conversation so that logic doesn't make much sense either I'm sorry but like if you we're okay with Lamar Jackson and women get last year 10 for you to sit here and criticized Alan and say he doesn't have any case at all this embarrassing and really sounds biased considering he has the same narrative that Lamar had last year with the basically the same MVP statistics
The tush push is a problem when Jalen is doing it but it ok for Josh. It definitely a race thing.
THIS!!
You know it
Shit needs to be taken out or a new stat to credit the OLine for the TD has to exist because im sick of the "He HaS 6000 RuSh TDs so hE iS ObVIouSLy MvP!!!" argument. They could tape a football to a sex doll and still score the TD. The ravens put in a TE to run a tush push because thats how little it matters lmao theyd rather a guy not accustomed to taking snaps handle the play also to avoid injury which is Allen biggest selling point on his legacy right now. He may not be this years worthy MVP, but he is fucking ironman.
It's probably because Hurts actually scores most of his rushing TDs from the 1 and Allen doesn't.
@yoursodumn almost half of his TDs are within the 5 and I believe 17 or 18 of those are from the 1. Out of like just shy of 60 TDs thats a high percentage from the 1.
Let's see who is more valuable to their team.
Allen has had 5 games with a passer rating under 85 and the Bills still won 3 of those games
Lamar has had 3 games with a passer rating under 100 and the Ravens lost every one of those games
That tells me the Bills can still win without Allen but the Ravens can't without Lamar. Then when you take in account the much easier schedule and division of the Bills and Lamar leading in every stat that matters this should not even be close. Lamar beats Allen in the eye test as well.
This whole narrative about Lamar having Derrick is ridiculous. First off Derrick is having a career year at age 30, I wonder why that is? 🤔 Also Lamar has won 2 MVPs without Derrick and the Ravens were better last year without Derrick. ALSO.....what about all the other QBs that won the MVP award with talent around them in previous years. It's not like Josh doesn't have weapons or doesn't have a much better O-line than Lamar.
Sounds like the babbling talking heads on tv are just making up ridiculous excuses to try to push an agenda to give the award to Allen out of pitty. I mean yeah it sucks for Josh that he's playing in the same era as Lamar and Mahomes but it is what it is. Just because Josh is having his best year ever doesn't mean you have to ignore the record setting year Lamar is having.
Great points. I hadn’t considered the Bills still going 3-2 when Allen isn’t playing at his peak.
Actually when allen has a rating under 100 the bills are 4-2
Lamar has had 5 games with a rating below 114 and the Ravens have lost them all.
Lmfaoo ok so the funniest part about that is how u ignore the fact that the ravens have a losing record when depending on Lamar to pass and hits over 30 pass attempts. Its actually hilarious that u can try to make the argument he’s more valuable when saying the team is worse after acquiring a hof rb who’s having a career year😭. But hey whatever u gotta tell yourself to cope buddy
@grimlockthethrasher1 remember when josh allen got destroyed by the 32nd ranked defense and then the bills went out and got him a number 1 wr. Plus when allen has a sub 100 rating the bills are 4-2. That's not an mvp stat
They don't want Lamar to tie or beat Brett Favre's MVP record.
When Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers won those MVP nobody had nothing to say about voters fatigue. Now here comes the Brothers and all of a sudden it's voters fatigue.🤣🤣🤣
Favts @@drb5003
That voters fatigue was never an NFL issue but only now it becomes an issue. We never compared the NBA MVP to the NFL MVP until now. WHY?
When Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers won those MVP nobody had nothing to say about voters fatigue. Now here comes the Brothers and all of a sudden it's voters fatigue.🤣🤣🤣
@@drb5003yup lol we all know why. They are tired of seeing a brotha win it. That’s why they tryn force Allen into this convo
If Lamar doesn't win the mvp, the NFL has lost me. You are totally wrong about being in the conversation. Get real. 3 MVPS in his mid 20s sets him up for another big contract, HOF talks and being the best 3 different times.
Didn't the Bills bench Josh Allen in September during the molly whopping from Lamar Jackson??
I believe they did.
That and Lamar just cooked the same defense that Josh had 9/30 against. I don’t why the media has seemingly forgotten about Josh Allen failing to put up 10 points on the worst passing defense in the league at the time
@@seandent3732maybe because he had literally noone to throw to in that game? His number 1 receiver V the Texans was Mack Hollins
I don't think the ravens care who they face
There is no competition. Lamar deserves it, even if he doesn't get it. The narratives are garbage. Created by Allen stans. They say Lamar supporters said stats don't matter last season. Not true. Allen depreciated his stats by leading the league in ints. By playing reckless so often, that his coaches decided to take the ball out of his hands to make the playoffs. Winston had 5k yards with 30 tds a few years ago, but wasn't considered, due to his recklessness. In contrast, Lamar boosted his stats by playing his best last season when the lights were brightest. Every time a team was lauded as a huge test, a contender, or even superior, he was his most productive and efficient, as he led his team to the best record against winning teams in 40 years. This season, he has the stats. Has a better record against winning teams, in a harder division. He'll end up with 5k total yards. With perhaps, the greatest td/int ratio in history. Going for the best overall passer rating in history. Led his team late in the season, with great play, to a lead in his division, after a month ago, people said they had no shot. Ridiculous to suggest, he isn't the MVP. It's not even close.
Outstanding disposition.
Lamar depreciated his stats this season by losing to the Raiders and Browns, and several other losses. And didn’t beat the 1 seeds from both conferences. And needed a HOF RB to put up this stats that he did.
No that is true because last year Lamar Jackson used the same narrative that Josh Allen is using this year to win MVP because his statistics were well below Brocks but he got MVP because he had a much much worse team and let them to 13 wins end the statistics Gap was just as large between Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson this year as they were brock and Lamar last year and a lot of people are saying Lamar Jackson deserves it because of his statistics when it's not really fair because y'all are changing the rules to best fit Lamar Jackson and the people who are just voting for Josh Allen to win MVP aren't doing get out of pity we do it because that's how MVP was decided last year
Brock Purdy is also far from an MVP. Only reason his stats were any good last year is because he had a HOF RB in CMC at his side. How is Purdy doing this year without CMC?
@@GregBackus-o5zhow do those 2 losses change anything, we still make it to the playoffs regardless?
I’ve seen people try to compare last year with ravens have better record but Allen better stats to this year Lamar having better stats but bills. Better record.
The difference is ravens finished #1 in the AFC last year and bills were a WC.
This year bills are 2nd while ravens will finish 3rd
The difference between 2nd and 3rd to me is not a big enuff gap.
It's Lamar's award... Its all about if they rob him of it
Lamar is worlds better than Josh Allen statistically this year. It's OK to say that and still acknowledge that Josh is having a good season
Stat wise Lamar is better this yr but that does not mean he is MVP. Offensive player of the year award sure but not MVP if it was all about stats then Lamar should give back his last 2 MVP
@benmustafa6228 josh Allen wouldn't even be second on my list. The MVP he doesn't have the stats, and if you go by wins, he doesn't have the wins.
My issue really comes down to the fact that Allen shouldnt even be top 3 in my opinion.
4807 total yards, 43 total TDs 39 pass/4 rush, 8 TOs, 121 passer rating
4818 total yards, 44 total TDs 42 pass/2 rush (1 tush push/QB sneak), 8 TOs, 109 passer rating
4262 total yards, 40 total TDs 28 pass/12 rush (probably 6 tush pushes lmao), 7 TOs, 101 passer rating
(Potentially) Best RB season of all time.
Without names I know who isnt winning 😂
If we talk and someone says Burrow or Saquon are the MVP ill have a discussion because thats a reasonable point with a good foundation. Allen only has team record, and that should only ever be used to break a tie lmao.
Edit: fixed TD numbers because I had some wrong on one stat line.
Who won last year with 29 TDs, 13 TOs?
@vKrisWithaK what QB had 40 pass TDs, less than 10 TOs and 5k total yards? Oh right noone. Offense was down overall last year. No QB MVP would have been historically "GREAT!!!" thats why CMC should have won it, but he was the right QB.
@gDiniM 3 seed hasn't won in 20 years. Wins count. We learned that last year
@BuffaloKL thats because Brady, Rodgers, and Peyton doninated the award for years. Team record can be very telling of a QBs performance, but being 11-5 vs 13-3 is not a large change. If the stats were close it can be a potential tie breaker sort of deal, but they just arent.
@gDiniM sure felt like a big deal when Lamar had 13 wins last season with lesser stats
Lamar all his actions speaks on the field and off the field.When you have to make a case for Allen to win mvp, he doesn’t neeed the award. NO CO mvp!
Josh & Lamar are both having great seasons. Last year Lamar won it based on team record cause his stats were good but not spectacular. This year, Lamar has great stats, better stats than Josh but Josh also has great stats, just like Burrow. If you follow last year narrative, what separates both players this year (sorry Burrow) is Josh has a better team record…I agree, let’s celebrate both players and not s**t on one player to prop up the next. It’s undeniable they are both having great seasons and unless some other random (not named Saquan) wins the MVP, they are both deserving
And to think, I always thought that you had to earn the MVP award!!!
Let’s drop the real fact. Majority of the MVP voters are former players. Like Acho. Who hates on Lamar daily. Not because he has legitimate criticism, but because he is jealous AF! Of Lamar’s rise and talent. Ppl like Acho, their entire demeanor changes the moment Lamar comes up. Because they’re jealous. If Lana’s wins 2 Super Bowls. He will be in the goat of goat conversation with Brady. And Montana. And leap frogging Mahomes
Lj8 MVP MV3 EASILY 🎯💪💯
lamar deserves to win the mvp. but unfortunately josh Allen will win it. for whatever reason the media wants him to win it and they want josh Allen in the mahomes,lamar category. anyone who knows football. lamar jackson has been better than allen in every statistic but the tush push. lets go get the super bowl
You forgot wins, that’s a key stat
When Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers won those MVP nobody had nothing to say about voters fatigue. Now here comes the Brothers and all of a sudden it's voters fatigue.🤣🤣🤣
@@GregBackus-o5z Ravens 35-10 molly whopping, benching Allen in the 4th quarter. 🤣
@@GregBackus-o5z "You forgot wins, that’s a key stat." -Yeah, like Lamar's easy 35-10 stomp out "key stat" WIN against Allen the 4th game of this season. Don't forget that.
@@GregBackus-o5z strength of schedule impacts wins... so does strength of defense.
Lamar had the tougher schedule this season & (through the first 11 weeks...2/3 of the season) the worst defense in the league
Today on ESPN Top 10 they showed Josh Allen twice and not one time Lamar.🤔
SMH
EVERYTIME
@@drb5003 waaaaahhhhhhhh
Lamar Jackson is concentrating on a SB run. Allen wants a participation award.
They both care about th sb imo
Not even close to an accurate take. Josh could not care less but let’s keep it real. Josh had better stats last year than Lamar so why bring up stats this year?
It's a sympathy award for josh. He don't want to be left out
@@garyyavicoli4603Josh had 20 turnovers partna, Dak was 2nd last year, yall keep running with these false narratives to justify the BS. Is Josh Tam the number 1 seed? Na he isn't, so see how faulty that argument is
@ false narratives seriously they didn’t get the number one seed they got the number two seed and only because Kansas City had help beating the bangles, ravens, Denver and Raiders. You can spin a stat however you want in the end if Josh was not on the bills, they would not be the two seed and the ravens still have King Henry. Also Buffalo is KC only loss and Buffalo also beat Detroit. Trying to make up shit to support a bullshit take that Josh Allen actually cares about an MVP.
Let’s get it off our back. Let’s start with the Steelers. That will bring a different energy to the team and and give us that championship mentality from the jump.
27:05 guess the grass aint greener in pitt😂😂
I agree with everything you said the first 10 minutes...lets enjoy the journey!!
Its getting stupid. You have many that say Joe should be the MVP. The same people that gave the edge to Josh over Lamar due to more wins... But the more wins theory doesn't apply to Joe?
I never thought the MVP mattered this much before, television is definitely driving public reaction
Right!?! I didn't know that Bills fans were in their feelings like that until we played them...Then I looked at the Bills Reddit and it broke my heart a little (my father who passed away last year was a huge Bills fan). Like I think it would be neat if LJ won the MVP again this season, but damn Mfer's act like the MVP award can cure leukemia or something....crazy.
I think it’s because we haven’t had one this close in a while
@mr.warbucks4325 is it close ?
@mr.warbucks4325 I wish they would give Josh that award, Lamar would be on a mission, the whole team would be motivated to beat the bills every time they play
@@slimreaper4937well, that’s stupid. Lamar has a historic all-time season that basically guarantees him the Hall of Fame (this early in his career) & you hope he doesn’t receive the award he earned by doing things no one in NFL history has ever come close to doing. . .
. . .b/c maybe he’ll work harder in the postseason🙄 #no
Way to go, Charlie! IF Baltimore travels to Buffalo in the playoffs, the Bills WILL remember this! Of course, that's assuming that Jackson can string a couple of playoff wins in a row, something that Jackson has NEVER done in 6 years.
So...I guess Ravens players just forgot how bills fans have insulted & dragged Lamar just for being better than Josh? Josh has had a career year... Ravens fans have acknowledged that... but Lamar is having a historic one. Mafia been real loud and disrespectful considering Josh played so badly against us he got benched.
15 categories of QB play'; including passing and running. Josh leads Lamar in ONE!!! When you put them side by side it's mind-blowing that this is a real debate. This is good versus historic.
Lamar Jackson Josh Allen
Passing TDs - 39 Passing TD - 28
Passing TDs - Rank # 3 Passing TDs - Rank # 6
Running TDs - 4 Running TDs - 12
Total TDs - 43 Total TDs - 40
Completion Percentage - 67.7% Completion Percentage -63.5%
Completion Percentage - Rank # 10 Completion Percentage - Rank # 24
Passing Yards - 3955 Passing Yards - 3731
Yards Per Attempt 8.9 Yards Per Attempt 7.7
Longest Pass - 84 Longest Pass -64
Interceptions - 4 Interceptions - 6
Running Yards - 852 Running Yards - 531
Yards Per Rush - 6.6 Yards Per Rush - 5.2
Longest Run - 48 Longest Run - 30
Passer Rating - 121,6 Passer Rating - 101.4
QBR - 77.9 QBR - 76.8
We all know how spectacular playoffs lamar is 💁🏿🗑.
I hope Saquan Barkley break Eric Dickerson's rushing record and becomes MVP, so Lamar can be spared of this headache.
me too honestly but I don’t think he will get it either way
I agree. Running, or that many yards, is hard work! It will be record-breaking. Lamar Jackson is also breaking records. Lamar's will still be in the books, whether media and Bills fans like it or not.
I wish y’all would stop with these absurdly-foolish talking points. No one gets a headache from earning/winning the MVP - no matter how badly other people wish a different athlete won it. Stop dismissing this historic season that Baltimore fans never dreamed was possible under the insanity of “avoiding this headache” or “Lamar doesn’t care about another MVP” or “only the SuperBowl counts; just give it to Josh, Saquon,” etc.
Lamar earned it.
Lamar deserves it.
17 games vs 16 games 😂
@@THEbeautifuLIE So you don't think Lamar is tired of the MVP talk? You must not have seen his interview with Tom Brady, or the conversation he had after the Ravens beat the Texans? He keeps saying he's not concerned about nothing else but team accolades. Im a die hard Cowboys fan, but even I am tired of the elephant in the room that we refuse to speak of (🤫Lamar Jackson can't win a Superbowl with his style of play) i want Lamar to be a Superbowl Champ, and i think Lamar would trade in his potential 3rd MVP for a Superbowl ring. Yes, he can get both, one without sacrificing the other, but if he absolutely had to, he'd trade his 3rd MVP for a SB trophy in a heartbeat, And you would too, so quit the fake outrage about our takes.
I muted the phrase MVP on Twitter because the discourse was getting insane
Josh doesn't care how he gets the award as long as he gets it. He's already running around with an MVP chain.
That makes no sense Fool
That’s actually pretty damning for him in my opinion lol
Josh's offensive lineman bought him that MVP chain. They're supposed to campaign on Josh Allen's behalf.
Dude stop being an idiot when your office is lying buys you a gift of course you're going to wear it stop being a jackass if your mom bought you a chain that said "king" add a diamonds all over it you still wear it but that doesn't mean you want to be a king
@@mr.warbucks4325I mean if your mom bought you a gold chain necklace with diamonds all over it and it said King that doesn't mean you want to be a king does it? That's not a fair point at all if you're offensive lineman or your parents buy you something as a gift obviously you're going to wear it because they gave you it
Where was this guy last year talking about numbers Jackson had average numbers last year allen beat kc and Detroit 2-0 vs the best Jackson 0-2 vs the best kc and Philly and lost to minchew and Jamis
You count those wins but don’t want to count the week 4 blowout the Ravens put on the Bills. The Ravens pass defense was ranked 32 at the time.
They should do it among the teams that makes it to the playoffs
LJ & Josh don't care about this award. They both want a Lombardi. If they give it to a player that has lower stats but the argument is "Allen did more with less" without showing 4 of 5 Ravens losses also have to do with 10 missed field goals, they cheapen the MVP title. Oddly enough, Josh beat the Chiefs but couldn't beat the Ravens when the Ravens had the worse defense in the league. If it's a co-award, I hope Lamar skips out on the ceremony. If Josh gets it, I hope he acknowledges LJ had a better year.
The goal for both should be the Superbowl. As a Ravens fan, that's all we want for the New Year.
@@Will-2BMorePositive did Lamarb acknowledge that Josh, Dak, Purdy, CMC and Hill had better years when he won his? Or did he say "that's dope! Now I finally have as many MVPs as playoff wins because I am a winner and not just a stat padding RBQB!"
I really wanted both the Ravens and Steelers game to he at the same time
Name ONE TIME, one time in the playoffs when it counted that Harbaugh & the Ravens put Lamar in the BEST position to when the game at anytime since 2019??? ILL WAIT!!!
I thought 💭 it was going to be the last Sunday for our Ravens 🐦⬛ before the playoffs but it changed to Saturday afternoon against the Browns.
The difference between NBA and NFL is a person plays offense and defense and that's y embid won cause everything was close that year. Emilbid scores more blocks more shots. Joker gets more assist. Everything else is close. That's y embid won MVP that year plus embid dropped 48pts 18 rebs when they played and 76ers won. Let b real now. This is exactly what is happening this year to Lamar
That’s why I keep calling him Josh Embiid or Josh Barkley.. consolation prize vibes
He’s not social at all honestly
now numbers dont count?
You cant win MVP when you have a RB in your offense nearly getting to 2000 yards
We still need a Ravens 🐦⬛ win 🥇 and a Steelers loss
Just need to win dint matter wat shitzburge does
Cinny makes it if Pitt loses
@geraldjones7718 no lol Cincinnati needs alot more help
@@geraldjones7718Cincy makes it if Bengals win, Dolphins lose, and Broncos lose.
Best chance for a playoff team making noise is probably Bengals, but the Dolphins might also have a shot too. Broncos have a great defense, but their rookie QB looks out of their depth.
@@geraldjones7718 "Cinny makes it if Pitt loses." -No; they only make it if they win PLUS get help of a Denver loss PLUS a LA Chargers loss. If either Denver or LA Chargers win = Cincy stays out, so it don't matter if Cincy wins and goes 9-8, that's still not enough to make the play-offs if Denver and Chargers BOTH win.
The closer you at Lamar, the better he looks 4 int's 3 out of the hands of receivers and one the receiver stopped.
QB sneaks = tush push = rushing TD #’s inflated
Ravens 🐦⬛ better beat them Browns
No Pittsburgh better beat Cincinnati?!? Hard to beat a team 3 times in one year?!
@@aravendownsouth7117saying that very same s***, and both games our ravens barely escaped defeat, Humphrey was that guy both times!!! I definitely do not want a 3rd match!!!!
Yes 🙌 Baltimore has to Cleveland
Alien shouldn’t even by in the convo. He’s not doing anything special this year.
The real Convo should be between Lamar and Barkley.
The nfl and media is tryn force it on Josh for some strange reason
The only reason Lamar is ahead with stats is because Bills bench Allen the entire 4th quarter every time they are winning by a good margin and that happened like 3 or 2 times already. So there you go.
Lame has been benched 4 times this season in the 4 quarter because he was winning in blowouts. Your narrative is bunk.
Listen, how last year was decided doesn’t matter, it was a down year for QBs across the league. Allen didn’t even have his best statistical season last year and was inefficient, threw almost half as many int as tds and had twice as many pass attempts as the next qb. They gave it to Lamar who didn’t have the best stats cuz he beat 5 playoff teams and 3 teams in the hunt and was the 1 seed cuz statically everyone was bad so they defaulted to that. This year a lot of QBs are having career years, so the criteria is different. Allen’s stats are down, they have beaten 2 playoff teams and are the 2 seed, so comparing that to Lamar last year he still wouldn’t win. The ravens are right behind the bills having beat more playoff teams with better stats this year. You bills fans and Allen glazers are out of your minds, wanting Allen to get award he clearly hasn’t earned, if he gets it it’s a pitty award and will always discussed with skepticism, you guys don’t see it now but it will be down the line. When they talk about it will be followed up with buts and questions.
Josh Allen sucks compared to Lamar. It is so ridiculous how they keep pushing this narrative.
FIVE losses with a co-mvp candidate in the backfield. Cry some more it’s fun to watch.
Way to exaggerate. Kolar didn’t “rip” anyone, simple tweet and he left it at that. Don’t drag kolar into some negative or drama filled narrative.
numbers and context only matters when it’s working out for Lamar.. but let’s ignore 5 maybe 6 losses .. let’s ignore 100+ more snaps at QB.. let’s ignore the fact that his division is still up for grabs in week 18
🥴 foh
NOT EVENING CLOSE LAMAR MVP THEY HATE LAMAR BECAUSE THEY SAID HE IS A WR
Josh great playerbut ! 2nd place 1st loose!!😂😂
They all just trying to distract the Ravens from getting where their going don't care what they do with the MVP award Who cares??????
I'm sorry Kevin but what Romo said might really be true. Think back to when Lamar was going for a 2nd Heisman. He had better stats that year than he did when he won it. But Baker was a 3 time finalist without winning it(if I'm correct) so voters have it to him over Lamar. Lamar had better stats but Baker had a better team record that year. I'm team Lamar so if hate to see that happen to him again. But I guess we'll see.
You might be right. I was thinking this scenario might be just like his heisman scenario
Could make argument about mahomes being MVP or joe burrow but mahomes has but Lamar deserves not josh no friggin way Lamar has 39 td passes and 11 rush td with 3998 pass to yds to josh a 3230 pass yds 32 td pass and 14 rush
I want the Bengals to make the playoffs. They have the best chance to beat the bills and chiefs out of the teams that can be a 7th seed and if that’s their only road to the AFC Championship. As a 7th seed you’d have to beat the bills then chiefs to face the Ravens in the AFCC. That also means every game is at the Bank. So…
Go Bengals lol.
They won't, but a 3rd time they'll beat the ravens. Ravens will take both chiefs and bills.
Henry > Lamar
We must get the chargers so here’s hoping to a Steelers victory. Why?
15-20 degrees the night of 1.11.25 when they will probably play their wildcard game. The chargers don’t want that smoke.
Josh has sat 4 4th quarters this year. I could be wrong, but Lamar is 1 for sure, maybe 2?
The narrative last year was wins and best team. Now the goalposts are changing to stats? The constant narrative last year was Allen has too many turnovers. Ok, fair, but he also had over 40 tds for 4 consecutive seasons and now has 40 plus for a 5th consecutive season. Turnovers have never really been a barrier to MVP entry as is. Kurt Warner had 22, Marino had 17, Manning, Favre, Montana each had 16. If turnovers are the issue, Lamar has more this year if we include fumbles as we should. He's got at least 2 of his 9 in the red zone.
You've also gotta include narratives here. Buffalo was supposed to be in a rebuild year and Baltimore was supposed to be the top AFC team.
If stats is the only argument, it's a weak one. If Josh plays all those quarters he didn't because of a blow out, these stats are closer than they currently are and Allen is likely to sit the last game.
They're both playing ball, but if you don't think Allen deserves it this year, then you need to at the least acknowledge that Lamar with 23 passing tds and 29 total last year didn't deserve it and the narratives your complaining about were all on Lamars side last season. Go rewatch any of the talking heads and the narrative was all Lamar.
4 times coming out of games in the 4 quarter to for Lamar. Bills, Broncos, Giants, Houston. That blows up your narrative.
@RavensFlock9592 I legit didn't know of he's sat other games or not, so fair enough. Lamar does have 100 more snaps this season though, so somewhat supports what I'm saying here. Obviously those aren't all passes and what have you, but there's a little something there that matters.
@@TheBennyVan Ravens had the best record in the league and the hardest schedule which is why Lamar won MVP last year. Bills don't have the best record and had one of the easiest schedules. There's no comparison
@@tdup191 Sure there is. Allen's stats were far and away better last year (besides turnovers, which Lamar has more of this year). Buffalo was the 2 seed with 2 more losses than the Ravens. Ravens currently are the 3 seed with 2 more losses than Buffalo.
It's kinda crazy how similar the situation is actually. If Lamar wins it, that's cool with me even as a Bills fan. Y'all Ravens fans just switched it up though. Last year oh it's not stats, his team record is better. Now it's, well look at the stats!! Can't really have it both ways. If you want to scream stats than you should at the least be consistent in that Lamar shouldn't have won last year then if team success is being taken out of the equation.
If the Ravens lose to the browns and Lamar has a bad game (I doubt that'll happen) the conversation will truly be over. Especially if the Ravens don't win their division. They'll be no conversation to have.
@@TheBennyVan you obviously didn't comprehend what I wrote so read it again. Josh has NONE of the factors going for him tht Lamar did last year. Besides Allen had over 20 turnovers last year so he didn't deserve it last year either. Using your argument Mahomes is this year MVP not Josh 😂
This guy is a certified yapper. Just repeated the same 4 things for 22 min before changing topics... go ravens
To Lamar and his people DO NOT BE A PART of ANY!! CO MVP NONSENSE!!! Do not capitulate to any of that political B.S. They are doing EVERYTHING to give Allen the mvp. The one thing that I learned about sports as a young athlete was that THE BEST PLAYERS WIN!!! NO!!. do not placate these people. The best player wins period!
Like last year, LJ won MVP with better record and less on stats, it will be the same. 49/50 votes for LJ last year, clearly indicate voters not just looking at stats..
Bills 2-0 against #1 seed in each conference. Rest 1-28 includes Ravens.
Josh Allen will win MVP 😊
Nope😂 Lamar’s stats obliterate Josh’s this season. . .& he didn’t win it over Josh last season - Josh was barely top-5 in MVP discussion(s)/ranking. 20 turnovers are kind of a big deal, kiddo😅
@@THEbeautifuLIE😂
Delusional!! Keep working hard so you will feel more devastated
Go Bills see you in Late January!!
What about the head to head game, Bills vs Ravens? When they played, Josh couldn't handle one of the worse defense in the league. Just like the Purdy vs Jackson debate last year ... the head to head was a factor. Yes, the Bills beat the SB champion Chiefs but couldn't beat the 29th ranked defense at the time when they played the Ravens. 4 of 5 Ravens losses were due to missed FG's.
Hopefully Lamar uses the slight to go out and crush everyone in his path. Allen will win it with less stats because that's the mission for this season. It's insane to believe a guy with better stats in every category won't get the award because a special teams player couldn't do his job 😂
Get that Lombardi LJ!
@@Will-2BMorePositive same thing over and over?? Do you think Bills roster at that time and defense give up 250 yard on the ground and Bills coaches had nothing work for them. And that was week 4!!?? WOW week 4 performance compare to Chiefs, Rams, Lions games Do you really think voter would care about week 4 results?? They care more about win and loses than those H2H game because LJ won last year because Ravens were at top most of the season when Bills Chiefs struggle most of them.. so keep bring up H2H laughable documents lol.. 😅 Voter probably think 32nd most important criteria on their lists lol!!
Go Bills ❄️ ⛄️ see you in late January and witness what is greatness lol.. showmen will take early vacation like usual!!
@@NewYorkNYKer
If we go to "that was week 4" then the only loss that we can pin on Lamar was week 1 and that was because of a toe. Voters will look at the stats and then head to head since it's that close. Special teams lost games for the Ravens after getting put in position to score. The Bills got beat badly by the MVP competition and you want to ignore that. OK, that's the way you want to address that debate concerning wins vs losses ... ignore the head to head and ignore Special teams issues. So go to stats ... who deserves it when you compare stats?
Your Fandom is admirable but let's keep it even when your look at the numbers. Lamar wins when you look at stats.
And, tbh, showman can apply to both so be careful...your QB might do what they both typically do ... watching the Superbowl like the rest of us.
Its not all about stats you fools that think it is dont know how it goes. If you want to say offensive player a yr then sure Lamar has it base on his stats. But for MVP its more then stats and if you guys want to keep going on stats for the reason that Lamar should win then Lamar should give back his last 2 MVP because his stats were no where near worthy of MVP especially last yr keep moving the goal poat 1 yr its not about his stats thats why he won 2023 and now its about his stats
Whole video on narratives and you spend 15 minutes fabricating/pushing a pity mvp narrative. MVP convo needs to end, it’s clearly Josh.
JOSH ALLEN MIGHT WIN THIS AWARD , WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW Lamar is Better But ur Also gonna see Josh Allen n Mahomes All over tv this playoffs coming up. lol
Yeah and last year your guys STATS were not that great there were a few QBs with STATS. But this year you changed because you think Lamar should win because of STATS. If you want to make STATS Joe Barrow should win.
Voters fatigue is real we know if Josh was having the season lame is having there would be no question who will win mvp and they would be calling Josh the best ever 😂
Lmfaoo the comparison is wrong josh is having a season comparable to Jokic’s first mvp against embiid. The actual narrative is that Lamar is more popular than Josh and since he’s won it before last year with terrible stats for an mvp he’s supposed to get it again. But thats my personal take on tht comparison as a jokic fan as well.
In regards to who deserves it sure Lamar is having his best statistical season but people try to act like it’s this big difference when it’s really not. Whether u want to acknowledge it or not Lamar is benefitting from Derrick Henry which is why he’s having a career year(as is the same for derrick henry) and despite that the ravens have been worse this season and have bad losses to teams like the raiders and browns. And before someone comes trying to flex that win over the bills well guess who ran for 200 yards for that game🤷🏾♂️. Not to mention that was early in the season and the bills have gone on to beat the chiefs and lions. And yes this all on top of his narrative that everyone was hating on the bills b4 the season predicting them to be out the playoffs and for Allen to take a step back w/o Diggs, yet here he is again proving the doubters wrong and having his 5th straight season of 40+ tds and getting the bills the 2 seed b4 week 18, going undefeated at home and in the division(so far cuz we have one more game and josh might not play).
Its funny you said that you thought Lamar has done enough to lock up the MVP award but he wasn’t even and still hasnt been the betting odds favorite for Mvp and he’s only put himself back in it because the ravens have cleaned up their act and moved up to 1st in their division and the 3 seed. I think ya should worry about locking that up more than the MVP. Either way tho ur 100% right that both players care more about the super bowl and would probably trade the mvp to get the title. I love watching both play tbh I just think Josh gets slighted more often than not and yes ofc ik wat Lamar went through but if ur acting like he’s still hated or overshadowed after 2 mvps u gotta be delusional. And when Josh wins mvp it will be because he deserves it and was the best player in football
Ps Josh would still have more rushing tds than lamar if u took out qb sneaks🤧
-Brady won and mvp with Randy Moss
-Matt Ryan won an MVP with Julio jones
- Kurt Warner won with Issac Bruce, Tory Holt, Marshal Faulk
-Peyton win with Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison , Edgerrin James
- Joe Montana and steve young both won with Kerry rice
- Mahomes won one with Kelce and Tyrese hill
I can keep going
The point is every former mvp has played with an elite star at the skill position.
Not once was what that qb diminished or downplayed for having elite skill players around them when they won mvp/
Why all of a sudden are people like you now wanting to downplay what Lamar is doing becuz for the 1st time in his career he’s playing with a star skill player?
Mind you lamas won mvpj in 2019 with trash skill players
@@grimlockthethrasher1let’s be real rushing tds aren’t that impressive. Lamar could have a bunch of those but he doesn’t need to run for a td when he’s throwing the ball at such an efficient clip
Josh is not the best player in football.
The stats and film both clearly indicate that is Lamar. Sorry you Allen stands wanna gift him a pity award 😂😂
@ lmfaoo but rushing yards😂😂 cuz i coulda swore thats the narrative lamar has built his legacy on. What is impressive tho is game winning td runs when none of ur receivers can get open against the best team in the league but🤷🏾♂️
Lamar CLEAR AS DAY. OR RACIST AF
Romo is right
Let's Go and get that chip. Most is subjective anyway.
This is BS!!!!! We could all say the same thing about KC! Why do they have a problem with Lamar getting a 3rd MVP, BUT EVERYONE wants KC to repeat for the 3rd time and win another Super Bowl.
The racial divide is sad Jackson MVP last year was a total joke woke award, but Allen getting hammered is nothing but racial,last year's Jackson stats were a joke,but its about stats this yr ok got it😂😂😂
You using the Lamar only won MVP last year because of woke excuse sounds like a big dose of copium to me. You just need to deal with the fact that Lamar is just a better QB and player than Josh Allen is.
Lol so it's all right for your team to sit here and call out Lamar Jackson calling him the MVP but Buffalo can't do the same thing?
Anyone noticed Lamar is not that social when Humphrey interviews him?
@@aravendownsouth7117 because Humphrey should be concentrating on getting to superbowl
Humphrey blabbed a few years ago that LJ's gf was preggers to the media, before LJ announced it.
I don't like how the rules keep changing for MVP that's why I'm voting for Josh Allen because Lamar Jackson used THE EXACT team narrative last year that Josh Allen is using this year to win MVP and last year y'all clearly stated "STATISTICS DON'T MATTER" but now this year y'all are being such assholes about statistics and how much they matter now that Lamar Jackson has it in his favor and then y'all keep talking about head-to-head which I've personally not heard of head-to-head mattering too much when it comes to MVP despite y'all losing to an MVP runner named saquon Barkley and you lost to Patrick mahomes when he was in the MVP conversation so that logic doesn't make much sense either I'm sorry but like if you we're okay with Lamar Jackson and women get last year 10 for you to sit here and criticized Alan and say he doesn't have any case at all this embarrassing and really sounds biased considering he has the same narrative that Lamar had last year with the basically the same MVP statistics
Oh my lord. The coping is unreal with you. That was a read of whining snd moaning.
Bills fans typing essays to cope with fact Lamar better than Josh