The best player on a talented team? Or the best player carrying a not so talented team? It’s always a dilemma bc of the word “valuable”. Daniels and Burrow should definitely be top choices. People get distracted by numbers, not the “value” of the player to their team.
As a bengals fan eat me at this, doe Joe have ARGUMENT for MVP, yes by the numbers he does…..should he win it, NO!!…..ESPECIALLY when they’re are other QB’s who are putting up great numbers AND winning……the only problem I have is when you have asshats like Shannon sharpe that get on national television and say idiotic things like “Joe burrow isn’t doing enough to win”…..it’s like HUUUUUUUH?????…..bro are you even watching the games??????, WTF ELSE DO YOU WANT RHE MAN TO DO??? Play CB and kick field goals too??😂…….just because you play the game doesn’t mean you know what you’re talking about, but then again there aren’t anymore journalists, they’re just entertainers who rage bait for engagement 🤦🏾♂️
Ravens fan here and I can agree. Burrow’s ST and defense let him down just like the Ravens did to Lamar. Having 2 #1 receivers is costly and takes away from team building. JB should look at his organization and demand they invest in defense like Baltimore did. With the exception of Henry, our skill players have been home grown.
He turned the ball over and then led his team into position for a game winning field goal. The only thing keeping Joe from winning MVP is that Lamar and Mahomes kickers made their field goals when they faced the Bengals Even last game the Bengals kicker missed a goal winner in Overtime.@chrisjackson3955
Imagine beating the guy head to head who's the media favorite while being amongst the league leaders in completion %, passing yards, passing td's. A historic passer rating while rushing for almost 1000 yards.
@@Milt-g4f the medias darling?? What medias favorite??? Which media are you watching? Every video are people shifting on burrow and Lamar should be mvp is all I hear. Lamar did all he could to lose those games as well. Choked and fumbled the ball to bengals. Just like he will choke and lose in the playoffs to daddy Mahomes like he does every single year.
And in the same season when you take over the all time rushing record for a QB and will have it for the rest of his career. On top of possibly having the most efficient passer rating in league history.
@@KinginzzThey were desperate that they tried to say that Allen was playing with a broken hand all season but was never mentioned and I live in a Western New York Bills household. Then last night tried to say he had the most TDs in the calendar year like that's a legit flex considering he's hardly in 3rd this season.
@ who is “they”? Are you saying it’s a conspiracy with his hand? Lol. You can make an argument for itleast 3 QBs for mvp right now but you seem to be biased for one in particular even though you live in another’s state?
He was nearly a unanimous MVP while having the same amount of TDs as Russell Wilson and Baker Mayfield last year. His team had the best defense in football, and won 6 games without LJ scoring a TD. It isn't remotely similar.
@ he made himself undeniable by setting a record beating 10 winning teams in a season by a ludicrous margin of 14 pts, averaging 28ppg while crushing other MVP candidates in H2Hs. Don’t talk football if you’re just gonna yap ignorantly. You’re also a fking liar, Lamar scored every game. He was our entire offense with Andrews out for the year. Scum bucket
@@zackhurwitz9441what did he do against, the lions, San Francisco, the dolphins and the bengals, Texans, rams, jaguars last year ? You’re acting like his play was on the same level as baker and Russ. Against all the great playoff teams last year he was absolutely the best player on that field. And you’re convienantly leaving out his rushing TDs. Because if you factor those in, he only has 2 games without a TD. Last year was a weird year because there were no QBs really standing out and making an undeniable case for MVP. That’s why Lamar got the MVP. And don’t even bring up Josh Allen who for the first half of the season played like a below average QB. And who had 18 INTs ,22 total turnovers
These are the stupidest takes ever. Stop martyring a guy that hasn't been martyred. He has MVPs. Show up in the playoffs for once Mr Jackson. That's what Lamar fans should be worrying about, instead of thinking 'poor' lamar he get no respect.
I am sorry I just do not get it. What am I missing here? Let's look at the stats: Joe Burrow: 4,641 Passing Yards, 42 TDs, 8 INTs 109.8 Rating Lamar Jackson: 3,955 Passing Yards, 39 TDs, 4 INTs 121.6 Rating Josh Allen: 3,731 Passing Yards, 28 TDs, 6 INTs 101.4 Rating I am not say Joe should like outright win the MVP but that he should be on same level. Yes Burrow has Chase and Higgins BUT he has all but literally no LT. Burrow is always running for his life. He was sacked 44 times compared to 23 for Lamar and 14 for Allen. If you want to say wins then I say Burrow can't play Def and Bengals has a God awful Defense. Burrow is throwing 2.6 TDs/gm. Listen I am a Chiefs fan and I do not fear Lamar or Allen but Burrow is far more scarier to deal with. When it comes to VALUE I have them all neck and neck. If you want to add in rushing stats also: Joe Burrow: 4,843 Total Yards, 45 TDs, 8 INTs 109.8 Rating Lamar Jackson: 4,807 Total Yards, 43 TDs, 4 INTs 121.6 Rating Josh Allen: 4,263 Total Yards, 40 TDs, 6 INTs 101.4 Rating So in fairness what cripples Joe the most is his INTs but being fair Bengals do not have a run game like both Bills or Ravens do. Bengals are 28th in the league in rushing compared to Ravens 2nd and Bills 9th. This combined with a defense that absolutely and is considerably worse than Bills and Ravens means Burrow is literally throwing them to victory for every win. To me. Without Burrow Bengals "could" win maybe 2 games. Without Allen I still think Bills win maybe 5 games and same for Ravens mostly due to Henry. The difference I feel is Bills and Ravens would be able to play QB Management better with games being more low scoring thanks to better Defense. Bengals have to score 25+ points to win. I just think it will be harder to do. My point to this post is simple. You cannot summarily dismiss Burrow in MVP argument just because his team win/loss. Stats show he should be in the discussion as he leads in total yards and TDs to all. He has weapons YES but he also has the worst defense. To me they offset each other leading to stats vs stats.
Imagine not recognizing the abismal front line the bengals have had for joe burrows whole careet. Meanwhile lamar and josh having pro bowl OL. Imagine burrow never having a top 15 defense. Lamar had the #1 ranked defense and still couldn’t make a SB. Joe got sacked 9 time against the titans and still beat them. Lamar could never fight through the adversity of 9 sacks a game
Because they're in a position they have to rely on help from multiple other teams just to make the playoffs in an expanded format where nearly half the teams make it. Partially because Burrow did directly cost them a couple of games earlier in the year, people just seem to forget.
@@Killzone3572 how about scoring 10 against the Patriots? Fumbling the ball away in crunch time to the Chiefs to give it back to them for the win? Key turnover in Ravens game? Only able to beat the softballs on the schedule (Broncos-fringe playoff team? only 'quality' win), you'd think an MVP could overcome at least one high tier team as other candidates have. They're having to rely on other teams to help them get the freaking 7TH seed in an expanded playoff at best.
Allen and Lamar are only carrying their offenses. Burrow is carrying his entire defense. He has to make up for quite literally half his team as if he doesn't score, the opponent will because the defense is so bad. He has to maintain a score every single possession of every game because to do otherwise would lose. They had an average points scored of 27.1 and points allowed 27. No other QB has had to deal with that degree of pressure as of yet. Allen and Lamar can afford to punt, Burrow factually never can and he's still found a way to win games. Also, a good QB using his weapons shouldn't be a negating factor in the quality of QB, that's just an insane take. It's like saying a tennis player is only good cause he has a good racket. Burrow is the only QB in nfl history to throw for 250 yards and 3 TDs per game for 8 games straight. Every other QB to come close is a hall of famer and an eventual SB winner if memory serves.
He was the first QB in NFL history to have more than 30tds and less than 5ints while having a losing record. Insane. I honestly don't have a preference for who wins it this year. It's great to have so many candidates with strong cases.
WTH are you talking about when the Ravens had the worst defense in the league for the first 11 games and still had a winning record at 7-3 while the Bengals were 4-6! Stop the cap 🧢
@@lennybeason1110difference? The ravens defense got better. They were bad because they weren't playing their best. The Bengals defense is bad because they don't have the players. Hendrickson is it. 1 guy. So your comparison is actually no comparison
@ got better after the 11th game of the season! When they were 32nd the first 11 games Lamar still overcame it! Burrow has no excuses in their first 11 because the playing field was even which Lamar always bests Burrow!
Trying to be unbiased towards being a Bills fan and the general media push of Josh and Lamar, Jayden Daniels seems maybe the most MVPish to me… and he might be discounted simply for being a rookie. But to really make a proper decision, you really need to watch every game from every candidate and who has done that?
If you are asking the following question at the end of the regular season, “If Bengals win their last game and barely scrape off into the playoffs, should Joe Burrow be considered the most valuable QB in league?” No! He may be the MLP (Most Lucky Player) in league but definitely not most valuable. Josh Allen is MVP. And if you aren’t going to give it to Allen, you may as well give it to Lamar. But Most Valuable? Allen 17. He has done the most with less and has made it look easy. Allen should’ve been MVP two years straight. Elite NFL consistency, you are not going to find this level of play in any other QB today, he has set the bar high. This award is like the Grammys, it’s given to whatever dogshit the committee wants to shine light on. If this award was given to the Most “Valuable” Player, then Josh Allen would have at least 2 on the shelf.
Here's a thought. If Joe Burrow deserves to be in the MVP conversation, if his team makes it into the playoff, because his team's defense was so bad that he had to be Superman every drive, to keep that defense off the field as much as possible. So if Joe can take that team with a crappy defense to the playoffs, that makes him MVP worthy. Doesn't that automatically mean Jared Goff should already be in the MVP talks? Because he had to do the exact samething, the only difference, Burrow's team would be barely sneaking in through the Wild Card, with the help of other teams, while Goff's team is competing for the #1 seed next week. So by the logic that would get Joe in the MVP discussion, Goff would automatically be included, and he always at least above where Joe would rank.
Don’t forget Allen’s 12 rushing touchdowns, specifically the one to beat the chiefs. He literally single handedly stopped their perfect season. Not sure why on all these shows they just gloss over rushing touchdowns by a qb. You get 7 points whether you rush or throw it. If you add rushing touchdowns Allen has 40, which is much closer to the other guys.
Half or more of his rushing touchdowns are at the goal line off of a sneak. If Lamar didn’t have Derrick Henry and had a bigger frame/build he would have the same numbers. Allen stat padding
Bro a majority of those TDs are from the 1 yard line lol. Straight up stealing TDs from his running backs lol. He had one game with 3 one yard TD runs lol.
I really don't like Jason's arguments about preseason narratives and expectations as more of a factor than what actually happened and what the Bills roster is and more importantly what the afc east really was compared to the preseason narratives. What the actual performances of the individual players in the context of what actually happened make Foxworth and Mike clearly more coherent in their arguments.
Last year Josh Allen led the league in Total TD's, took a team from 6-6 and "In the Hunt" to the 2 seed in the AFC and somehow finished 5th in MVP voting because of Turnovers.....In terms of MVP what Josh did last year is waaaay more impressive than Burrow just making it in the playoffs as a 7 seed. People have short memories.
I mean, I hate to be mean, but how are these guys so stupid? “Joe Burrow is playing well but Lamar Jackson is playing better” .. “ Lamar and Allen are having historically great seasons” .. from a passing perspective, Burrow has more passing yards, touchdowns, and a better completion % than the other 2! He is literally better across the board than both other quarterbacks.. the historically great season is the one by Joe Burrow .. the only time a quarterback has thrown as many touchdowns as he has (43) and not won the MVP was when Drew Brees did it the year Aaron Rodgers (45 td passes) won.. and Burrow is completing 70% of his passes, which is insane! I don’t think Allen should even be in the conversation.. this is what the media does. They latch onto someone and say these vague statements like “we haven’t ever seen what Allen is doing be done before”.. Joe Burrow has thrown like 14 more touchdown passes and passed for like 1000 yards more than Josh Allen and Burrow’s completion percentage is so much better than Allen’s, It isn’t even funny.. I am really starting to hate the NFL media.. there is no passing statistic with Josh Allen that anyone can point to and say “that is better than Joe Burrow”.. not one
With most other QBs, analysts are able to recognize when a QB's numbers are inflated due to a defense being terrible and the offense constantly needing to score. With Joe Burrow, the 'garbage-time' production argument seems to not even be brought up
Because there is no garbage time when games are still in the realm to be won and its only garbage time if they are still scoring after being up by 40 points
Sadly team success plays too big of a role in MVP discussions. It happens in the NBA as well, but at least in the NBA a single player can actually do a lot of the carrying in games where as in football you, as a QB have to rely on your offense and defense to do their jobs and if they can't, you will look bad. That's just how the cookie crumbles. Burrow deserves to win MVP because he is the main reason the Bengals are even in a position to reach the Playoffs where as teams like the Vikings, Bills, Chiefs, Eagles have well rounded rosters that do their job well.
Arguments against Burrow also apply to Josh, Lamar.... they have all had at least 1 bad game, they all have weapons, they all have historically great stats. They are all worthy of MVP discussion and votes Burrow THREW 1 TD against Patriots ... actually Burrow threw 2 TD passes in a row... Gesicki's TD was overturned and then the NFL told the Bengals the next day that Gesicki's TD pass should have been ruled a TD (which is how it was called on the field... Gesicki landed on his back). The very next play Joe passes to Tanner Hudson and the ball gets punched out at the goalline bc Tanner was careless by holding ball out and Tanner said he didn't realize any defender was close to him But you haters want to blame Burrow in his 1st game back from major wrist surgery on his throwing hand... when he was on a pitch count So what is Allen's excuse in Ravens game? Or Lamar's excuse in the Browns game? Derrick Henry and Tucker won the 1st Ravens game against the Bengals only after the Bengals kicker missed the game winning field goal Arguments against Burrow also apply to Josh, Lamar, and Baker.... they have all had at least 1 bad game, they all have weapons, they all have historically great stats. They are all worthy of MVP discussion and votes
MVP=Most Valuable Player. Take Burrow off the Bengals and they might not even have a win, 1-2 wins tops. Take Lamar off the ravens and they still have one of the best o-lines and a top 3 rushing attack, with an improved defense. Take Allen off the bills and they still have a good defense with a good RB in james cook. Point being Baltimore and Buffalo can win games without having to solely rely on their QB's, Cincinnati has to rely on Burrow to play out of his mind nearly every game to just get to .500, without him this season they would likely be picking 1st in the draft.
9 Wins?? Stop kidding around.. he has the best weapons around him so what makes it greater achievement over others??? Winning teams not necessary to use QB’s stats to show but these mid tier teams with great offense are dying to play like a fire work in New Year’s Day.. they may have no options or Coaches are prepare to just attempt 40+ passes minimum and Running play as a waste?? If they are winning? then you can say it but Stop it!!! 9 Ws??? Get real, stop looking at Stats as #1 comparing criteria because some QBs not allow to attempt that many passes but other things to help team win and satisfied the system- MVP definition!!
Is he supposed to play defense too? Stats are how we quantify production. Production correlates to value. Cincinnati might legitimately be contending for the #1 pick without Burrow. They aren't a good team.
@@zackhurwitz9441MVP isn’t for stats but overall success!! Unless he is overwhelmingly front of others with less than 9Ws, TOO BAD your team is not qualified for MVP…
@@NewYorkNYKerhe is in front of everyone. Would probably be even moreso if he had anything other than his WRs to complement him. Allen's offensive line is elite this year, Burrow's is terrible. Lamar has an elite running game, Burrow's is terrible. Both of Buffalo and Baltimore's play-calling are more highly graded than Cincinnati's. I don't think he should be MVP, it should either be Josh or Lamar. But Burrow should be in serious consideration, and team records shouldn't factor into an individual award.
@@zackhurwitz9441 Allen is just different creature who knows how to escape. Burrow with Bills offensive line, he would get at least 3X Sacks and more turn overs.. Stop it!! Allen help those OLines by throw in time and not to exceed like Burrow trying to do.. Bills WRs with Burrow?? 😂 Burrow wants Hollywood stars on his team and use their separation and speed agility to be successful. I am not saying he is not good QB, his QB IQ is really good and he has that killing instinct BUT Still not in Allen’s territory of lead his team not just offense but leader to be successful as a captain and leader by show great example. I will just leave at that lol.
@@NewYorkNYKer how does what you just said, logically compute?? Your team isn’t qualified for mvp? You don’t see how dumb that statement is?? I mean, how old are you?
Josh Allen plays in a terrible division, Lamar has a great running back and offensive line, Burrow has a bad offensive line, bad defense and plays in the toughest division. When you put all those together, who’s really valuable to their team based on numbers and the team around them. Burrow for MVP
Lmfao ohhh yea and he just has Jamar chase and tee Higgins I have literally seen chase take a screen 70 yards 50 yards and both will catch a slant and make it 15 cut the shyt.
Bo Nix is older and being supported by a much better organization than the Patriots. Anyone who watches Drake Maye will tell you he has a better arm and ability to escape defenders than Bo Nix.
@dchenkin02 I've listened to many "experts" and it's not unanimous pro Nix or pro Maye so I will respectfully disagree with you. Only Daniels seems to be unanimous. As for the "arm strength and athleticism" all I hear everyone (unanimous) say is "Nix has a much better arm and is a much better athlete than anyone thought". Evidenced by his rushing stats and escapability (400+ rush yards and only 24 sacks taken) and the 67 air yard TD pass to Marvin Mims (longest this season by ANY QB in the league) and the seam throw to Mims vs Cleveland that was a 93 yard TD. Having Nix #2 for me is not an indictment on Maye. I realize the limitations around him. It can certainly change going forward with new information but for now I have Nix #2. When he finishes 2nd in the OROY voting I believe that will be validated.
Here comes the #1 WR comments where they look past every Joe Burrow 400 yard game where one was out or injured or both lmfao. Those people GO REAL QUIET DURING THOSE GESECKI AND HAYDEN HURST 150 yard games huh? 😂😂😂😂😂
I still don't get how the Beangles are going to make it to the playoffs? Even if the Broncos lose, the Dolphins need to lose, too. Also, the Steelers are fighting for the 5th because it is better to play against the Texans than Ravens.
Everything they said about Jayden Daniels is exactly what everyone said about CJ Stroud after his rookie year. I think Daniels is going to be great, but 1 rookie season means almost nothing nowadays, you have to show it consistently year over year. Until year 3 or 4 I’m not willing to make any redrafts. For me Caleb still goes 1.
Just ask Burrow if he should be MVP? Likely his answer is NO, you gotta win and he know playing hot right now doesn't erase the fact that he and the team under perform earlier in the season. Anyway where is the MVP consideration for Goff, Saquon, Darnold, or even Mahomes?
Lamar Jackson is a far superior runner than Burrow. Burrow is throwing to the best wide receiver in the NFL and is not a threat to beat a defense as a runner.
everyone conveniently forgets that Lamar led Ravens swept the Bengals and embarrassed the Bills. All of which happened BEFORE the defense finally started gelling.
The ravens beat the bengals on a shanked walk-off field goal and a failed 2-pt conversion with about 3 defensive penalties on it. An Cinci had the 30th ranked O-line, 30th ranked defense, and 29th ranked run game. That's who the ravens got lucky to beat twice🤣
Cause he can’t win games. Don’t care about his defense. Lamar struggled 10 weeks over a terrible defense and still lead his team to a winning record during the stretch. What’s Joe excuse? Stat padding is stat padding and that is what he’s been doing both is why he hasn’t won many games this year.
Mvp needs to be decided before the superbowl teams have been decided, the playoffs need to be apart of it. Thats where the "who are you" teally comes out
MVP is always gonna be about the winning team, but you cant compare Joe Burrow's season record to others that actually have defense. Bengals defense played trash this year. Every game was close cuz of the defense and Joe Burrow.
"Why shouldn't Burrow get MVP?" ...simple, the others have played well ALL SEASON, even in losses...burrow has been inconsistent and struggled at times
@@papeboy_nardo2822 then why would Burrow be special if everyone has had a couple of bad games? Bengals are in a position they have to rely on other teams helping them over multiple weeks to get in to a 7 team playoff because they didn't take care of their business early in the season.
@@legitdragon6202 of the 3 mvp qbs burrow is the least physically gifted and has to work with a bottom o-line , subpar run game, and terrible defense (terrible isn’t even the word. And it’s because the bengals shouldn’t even be thinking about playoffs but they’re somehow still alive. Because of who . #9
If the bengals get into the playoffs joe burrow will beat josh allen, he will beat Patrick mahomes and will beat lamar jackson and win the superbowl. I would bet 1500$ on that. Joe burrow is playing out of his mind at rhe right time
Lmfao they aren’t in the playoffs with burrow…. and Allen’s schedule is weak try again.. how tf are you most valuable and still Don’t make the playoffs your argument is mute.
Where was this bs narrative last year for MVP? he has better stats in this, in that... thats why he should be MVP. Complete BS Most of these fools didn't even have the Bills winning their division and even worse, not even in the playoffs
Do you even watch the NFL? You do understand that the whole "QB v QB" thing is a myth right? Burrow has outperformed the opposing QB stats wise is literally 14/16 games so far, no one in the league can say that. Don't be a moron and just look at wins when Burrow can't play defence
@TheMissiIe ok so if his defense goes against a starter at qb then his team has no chance? Don't sound like an mvp to me. But he us in the MVPity line just like Joshua was last season. They will win it America will be great again 🤣...mo ron
Lamar leads him in nearly every QB metric. Ravens have a better overall record and nowhere near the receiver talent he has. He’s absolutely a top 5 talent but c’mon man it’s Lamar all day imho.
Enough of the bull shyt ESPN how tf is it possible burrow could be MVP when there is a QB that has beaten him twice and is currently about to win his very division? I don’t want to hear about stats they are similar… except Lamar has been way more efficient and faced a harder schedule this is disgusting one guy is on pace to break a record and the other guy is getting glazed..… Lamar lost some games due to Tucker where tf are his excuses and the defense… I have literally seen chase take a screen 70 yards and tee Higgins take a slant 20 30 why tf are we babying Joe burrow like he has no one. Who tf runs espn.
How is Lamar playing better than burrow? He has fewer interceptions. And I think a little higher QB rating. Other than that, burrows better in every other category
@zackhurwitz9441 that's inconsequential my man. Tell that to the Cincinnati front office. Who's the better QB? Burrow hands down. Who has a better MVP argument? Darnold hands down. You can't win MVP while also missing the playoffs. Fair or unfair that's just the truth.
@TimL-s2d That's not the question. Of course Burrow has more wins than Darnold would if Darnold played for Cincinnati. Burrow's the better QB. All that hypothetical reasoning has no bearing on the MVP consideration this year.
The simple answer; MVP should go to the quarterback who has the better Passer Rating / QBR, and team Record, and between Burrow and Jackson, it’s Jackson… Saquon Barkley a RB is not likely to win… 🤔
Joe will be Mvp if they get in it’s that simple, if not he won’t. You’ll never go far in the playoffs with a quarterback who can’t outthink the best defensive minds in the league come playoff time, what’s Lamar’s playoff record again?
Joe Burrow should not win MVP. We cant start rewarding those who don’t have strong records or else this will turn into the NBA where we don’t care about winning
MVP isn;t a team record, its about the impact a sinlge player has on their team. Joe has been everything ti the Bengals. Thats gotta count for something
1 player does not decide wins or losses in this league. Never has. The question is who is more valuable. Where would the Bengals be without him? Where would the Bills be without Josh Allen. That is the question of value. Based on your logic Mahomes is the MVP.
Chiefs won by 1 point Ravens won by 3 points and 1 point Allen didn't score 1 TD against the Ravens and they had 1 of the worst passing defenses at the time Lamar threw 15 passes on xmas and completed 10 passes and was winning by so much that he sat out at the end of the game... only needed to complete 10 passes Orlovsky showed stats that Lamar's receivers have the most separation in the NFL and both Burrow's and Allen's receivers get separation in the bottom 7 of the NFL with Allen's at 7th worst and Joe's below that. There could be several factors for lack of separation
@ ahh the playoff argument that’s how we know we got them.. why is Joe burrow 1-6 vs a guy who is bad in the playoffs and why did Allen get beat 35-10.. Lamar has certainly never gone 9/30 in a game😮💨😮💨🤦🏾♂️😂
@ lmaoo tee isn’t even a top 25 receiver. Please don’t be delusional he’s having a great season but he’s not a wr1 on any other team other than patriots,titans,raiders
Anybody who says Joe Burrow should be mvp. Jared Goff automatically cancels him out. U say Josh Allen over Goff. Lamar cancels them. There's no argument against Lamar Jackson as the MVP of the NFL. The sequon barkley argument was dumb too cause without the QB u can't guarantee the run being so affective. Hurts is still a dual-threat even if the ball don't go passed 20 yards.
If Lamar cancels out other qbs because of stats, Burrow cancels him out. If saquon is diminished because of hurts passing threat then Lamar is diminished by Henry rushing threat. No one is the best at everything so it’s all about who you want to win and make a case for like you and the analysts just made a case for Lamar
Strange how Sam Darnold has more passing yards, TDS , and wins than Lamar last year but isn’t in consideration because the media doesn’t give him praise. It’s all a narrative award
The argument against Lamar is that Derrick Henry was the MVP in many of the games the Ravens won. Ravens lost when Henry was contained, and Lamar failed to get the win on his own. The argument favoring Lamar are his stats, but last year he won last year even though other qbs had better stats. Why shouldn't that happen again? MVP is not necessarily equivalent to best stats, which don't tell the whole story. Deserving players seems to be a crowded field this year and includes Lamar. But there's a lot of individual subjectivity on what defines an MVP. So good luck to all.
@tonyscime1331 excuse me young fella??? Derrick Henry has NOT missed a game this year. Only didn't score tds 5 or 6 games. Not even 1. Now considering u MADE UP the Lamar not getting it done when Henry is out. Is the same reason YOU'LL be the ONLY person surprised when he gets his 3rd mvp
Clown take. Ward is good, not better than maye. NE is terrible, any QB would look bad there. We both know why YOU said this. Maye's melanin score isn't high enough?
@@BootCampBrandonDickerson got more games than OJ did when he broke the record. He still managed to stay healthy for a whole season, and got 2k. The amount of games doesn't matter.
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The best player on a talented team? Or the best player carrying a not so talented team? It’s always a dilemma bc of the word “valuable”. Daniels and Burrow should definitely be top choices. People get distracted by numbers, not the “value” of the player to their team.
As a bengals fan eat me at this, doe Joe have ARGUMENT for MVP, yes by the numbers he does…..should he win it, NO!!…..ESPECIALLY when they’re are other QB’s who are putting up great numbers AND winning……the only problem I have is when you have asshats like Shannon sharpe that get on national television and say idiotic things like “Joe burrow isn’t doing enough to win”…..it’s like HUUUUUUUH?????…..bro are you even watching the games??????, WTF ELSE DO YOU WANT RHE MAN TO DO??? Play CB and kick field goals too??😂…….just because you play the game doesn’t mean you know what you’re talking about, but then again there aren’t anymore journalists, they’re just entertainers who rage bait for engagement 🤦🏾♂️
Ravens fan here and I can agree. Burrow’s ST and defense let him down just like the Ravens did to Lamar. Having 2 #1 receivers is costly and takes away from team building. JB should look at his organization and demand they invest in defense like Baltimore did. With the exception of Henry, our skill players have been home grown.
Bengals fan too. Agree wholeheartedly with everything you said.
Joe has also fumbled the ball to lose a game at the end and he has thrown a pick at the end of a game in a loss. So don't put it all on the defence
@@chrisjackson3955 What a newb take. 🤣
He turned the ball over and then led his team into position for a game winning field goal. The only thing keeping Joe from winning MVP is that Lamar and Mahomes kickers made their field goals when they faced the Bengals
Even last game the Bengals kicker missed a goal winner in Overtime.@chrisjackson3955
Imagine beating the guy head to head who's the media favorite while being amongst the league leaders in completion %, passing yards, passing td's. A historic passer rating while rushing for almost 1000 yards.
He won it last year based on his team record and now we are going off of individual stats alone?
@@Milt-g4f the medias darling?? What medias favorite??? Which media are you watching? Every video are people shifting on burrow and Lamar should be mvp is all I hear. Lamar did all he could to lose those games as well. Choked and fumbled the ball to bengals. Just like he will choke and lose in the playoffs to daddy Mahomes like he does every single year.
And in the same season when you take over the all time rushing record for a QB and will have it for the rest of his career. On top of possibly having the most efficient passer rating in league history.
@@KinginzzThey were desperate that they tried to say that Allen was playing with a broken hand all season but was never mentioned and I live in a Western New York Bills household. Then last night tried to say he had the most TDs in the calendar year like that's a legit flex considering he's hardly in 3rd this season.
@ who is “they”? Are you saying it’s a conspiracy with his hand? Lol. You can make an argument for itleast 3 QBs for mvp right now but you seem to be biased for one in particular even though you live in another’s state?
Lamar Jackson would NEVER be in the conversation in Joe's position. NEVER
He was nearly a unanimous MVP while having the same amount of TDs as Russell Wilson and Baker Mayfield last year. His team had the best defense in football, and won 6 games without LJ scoring a TD. It isn't remotely similar.
@ he made himself undeniable by setting a record beating 10 winning teams in a season by a ludicrous margin of 14 pts, averaging 28ppg while crushing other MVP candidates in H2Hs. Don’t talk football if you’re just gonna yap ignorantly. You’re also a fking liar, Lamar scored every game. He was our entire offense with Andrews out for the year. Scum bucket
@@zackhurwitz9441what did he do against, the lions, San Francisco, the dolphins and the bengals, Texans, rams, jaguars last year ? You’re acting like his play was on the same level as baker and Russ. Against all the great playoff teams last year he was absolutely the best player on that field. And you’re convienantly leaving out his rushing TDs. Because if you factor those in, he only has 2 games without a TD. Last year was a weird year because there were no QBs really standing out and making an undeniable case for MVP. That’s why Lamar got the MVP. And don’t even bring up Josh Allen who for the first half of the season played like a below average QB. And who had 18 INTs ,22 total turnovers
These are the stupidest takes ever. Stop martyring a guy that hasn't been martyred. He has MVPs.
Show up in the playoffs for once Mr Jackson. That's what Lamar fans should be worrying about, instead of thinking 'poor' lamar he get no respect.
@@johnbach2380 he will. And burrow will be at home watching him for the second year in a row
Jared Goff not getting any consideration for MVP is criminal btw….
He fucked him self with a 5 int game tho
He's one of the QBs whose supporting cast is held against him, unfortunately.
Top 5 imo:
Allen
Lamar
Burrow
Goff
Darnold
@@zackhurwitz9441 Allen is number one with his schedule??
He had a 5 INT game and better roster (before all the injuries)
Seriously. He's got a 113 rating on a 14-2 team. Only reason why he's not considered is because he's a pocket passer.
I am sorry I just do not get it. What am I missing here? Let's look at the stats:
Joe Burrow: 4,641 Passing Yards, 42 TDs, 8 INTs 109.8 Rating
Lamar Jackson: 3,955 Passing Yards, 39 TDs, 4 INTs 121.6 Rating
Josh Allen: 3,731 Passing Yards, 28 TDs, 6 INTs 101.4 Rating
I am not say Joe should like outright win the MVP but that he should be on same level. Yes Burrow has Chase and Higgins BUT he has all but literally no LT. Burrow is always running for his life. He was sacked 44 times compared to 23 for Lamar and 14 for Allen. If you want to say wins then I say Burrow can't play Def and Bengals has a God awful Defense. Burrow is throwing 2.6 TDs/gm.
Listen I am a Chiefs fan and I do not fear Lamar or Allen but Burrow is far more scarier to deal with. When it comes to VALUE I have them all neck and neck.
If you want to add in rushing stats also:
Joe Burrow: 4,843 Total Yards, 45 TDs, 8 INTs 109.8 Rating
Lamar Jackson: 4,807 Total Yards, 43 TDs, 4 INTs 121.6 Rating
Josh Allen: 4,263 Total Yards, 40 TDs, 6 INTs 101.4 Rating
So in fairness what cripples Joe the most is his INTs but being fair Bengals do not have a run game like both Bills or Ravens do. Bengals are 28th in the league in rushing compared to Ravens 2nd and Bills 9th. This combined with a defense that absolutely and is considerably worse than Bills and Ravens means Burrow is literally throwing them to victory for every win.
To me. Without Burrow Bengals "could" win maybe 2 games. Without Allen I still think Bills win maybe 5 games and same for Ravens mostly due to Henry. The difference I feel is Bills and Ravens would be able to play QB Management better with games being more low scoring thanks to better Defense. Bengals have to score 25+ points to win. I just think it will be harder to do.
My point to this post is simple. You cannot summarily dismiss Burrow in MVP argument just because his team win/loss. Stats show he should be in the discussion as he leads in total yards and TDs to all. He has weapons YES but he also has the worst defense. To me they offset each other leading to stats vs stats.
This ain't a comment it's a fax message😂
@@thedude-nf1uf😂😂😂😂😂
You said all that to say nothing burrow not even in the playoffs nowhere near mvp learn football
From a Cincy native, I appreciate your “Love for Burrow; A MVP Case” book Volume One. You make great points.
Burrow throws the ball 40x a game lmao wtf
Imagine having 2 number 1 wrs and still getting excuses your whole career
He’s got two really good receivers. The worst defense and no o-line
He got the 3rd worst offensive line in NFL history to a SB. Not the 3rd worst offensive line to reach a SB.... The 3rd worst EVER.
@zackhurwitz9441 Lol! No he didn't... stop...
Imagine not recognizing the abismal front line the bengals have had for joe burrows whole careet. Meanwhile lamar and josh having pro bowl OL. Imagine burrow never having a top 15 defense. Lamar had the #1 ranked defense and still couldn’t make a SB. Joe got sacked 9 time against the titans and still beat them. Lamar could never fight through the adversity of 9 sacks a game
@@joeym2197 Two 'really good' WRs.... look at this dude gaslighting...😅
Because they're in a position they have to rely on help from multiple other teams just to make the playoffs in an expanded format where nearly half the teams make it. Partially because Burrow did directly cost them a couple of games earlier in the year, people just seem to forget.
@@legitdragon6202 what games did he cost the bengals?, I would love to see just one game where he was the problem?
@@Killzone3572 how about scoring 10 against the Patriots? Fumbling the ball away in crunch time to the Chiefs to give it back to them for the win? Key turnover in Ravens game? Only able to beat the softballs on the schedule (Broncos-fringe playoff team? only 'quality' win), you'd think an MVP could overcome at least one high tier team as other candidates have. They're having to rely on other teams to help them get the freaking 7TH seed in an expanded playoff at best.
@@legitdragon6202this patriot game everyone comes up with.. that was his first game off of a major surgery. And you bring up one game 😂
Just say you didn't watch the games. @@legitdragon6202
@@legitdragon6202 Gesicki fumbled at the goal line cost them 7
WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE AND HEAD TO HEADS? WHY ARE NEITHER BEING BROUGHT UP IN THIS YEAR'S MVP CONVO?
Because Lamar smokes them all!
When dak was putting up numbers in losses it was empty calories,this home alone looking dude goes 8-8 and we're talking mvp😂😂😂😂
Dak was in the MVP discussion till he fucked up bro... (and if course you gotta throw in an insult)
Dak wasn’t putting up these numbers these are historically great stop hatin
Home alone looking dude… man you have to be partially sped to still say that tired comment
Allen and Lamar are only carrying their offenses. Burrow is carrying his entire defense. He has to make up for quite literally half his team as if he doesn't score, the opponent will because the defense is so bad. He has to maintain a score every single possession of every game because to do otherwise would lose. They had an average points scored of 27.1 and points allowed 27. No other QB has had to deal with that degree of pressure as of yet. Allen and Lamar can afford to punt, Burrow factually never can and he's still found a way to win games. Also, a good QB using his weapons shouldn't be a negating factor in the quality of QB, that's just an insane take. It's like saying a tennis player is only good cause he has a good racket.
Burrow is the only QB in nfl history to throw for 250 yards and 3 TDs per game for 8 games straight. Every other QB to come close is a hall of famer and an eventual SB winner if memory serves.
He was the first QB in NFL history to have more than 30tds and less than 5ints while having a losing record. Insane.
I honestly don't have a preference for who wins it this year. It's great to have so many candidates with strong cases.
WTH are you talking about when the Ravens had the worst defense in the league for the first 11 games and still had a winning record at 7-3 while the Bengals were 4-6! Stop the cap 🧢
Where did he carry that defense too 8-8? So he’s responsible for all their losses then? Get real..
@@lennybeason1110difference? The ravens defense got better. They were bad because they weren't playing their best. The Bengals defense is bad because they don't have the players. Hendrickson is it. 1 guy. So your comparison is actually no comparison
@ got better after the 11th game of the season! When they were 32nd the first 11 games Lamar still overcame it! Burrow has no excuses in their first 11 because the playing field was even which Lamar always bests Burrow!
Make a separate award for qbs. Saquon deserves MVP. They don’t even mention him it’s insane
That's why there is OPOTY
I’m tired of the MVP only being QB’s !
Go head NFL and make a QB specific award
And start considering EVERY POSTION FROM kicker to QB for MVP
Using your own dumb phrase of "Bills are in rebuild" to make Josh Allen MVP is sickening.
How is it sickening, when he’s one of the best players in the league when that’s going on buddy
I'll take Mahomes over any of them... 🤷
Jared Goff is getting disrespected in the MVP conversation
@@ForsakenWar yes but wasn't even in the conversation prior to that.
5 picks bro you ain't come back from that
Trying to be unbiased towards being a Bills fan and the general media push of Josh and Lamar, Jayden Daniels seems maybe the most MVPish to me… and he might be discounted simply for being a rookie. But to really make a proper decision, you really need to watch every game from every candidate and who has done that?
If you are asking the following question at the end of the regular season, “If Bengals win their last game and barely scrape off into the playoffs, should Joe Burrow be considered the most valuable QB in league?” No! He may be the MLP (Most Lucky Player) in league but definitely not most valuable. Josh Allen is MVP. And if you aren’t going to give it to Allen, you may as well give it to Lamar. But Most Valuable? Allen 17. He has done the most with less and has made it look easy. Allen should’ve been MVP two years straight. Elite NFL consistency, you are not going to find this level of play in any other QB today, he has set the bar high. This award is like the Grammys, it’s given to whatever dogshit the committee wants to shine light on. If this award was given to the Most “Valuable” Player, then Josh Allen would have at least 2 on the shelf.
Here's a thought. If Joe Burrow deserves to be in the MVP conversation, if his team makes it into the playoff, because his team's defense was so bad that he had to be Superman every drive, to keep that defense off the field as much as possible.
So if Joe can take that team with a crappy defense to the playoffs, that makes him MVP worthy. Doesn't that automatically mean Jared Goff should already be in the MVP talks? Because he had to do the exact samething, the only difference, Burrow's team would be barely sneaking in through the Wild Card, with the help of other teams, while Goff's team is competing for the #1 seed next week.
So by the logic that would get Joe in the MVP discussion, Goff would automatically be included, and he always at least above where Joe would rank.
Lamar beat Joe Burrow twice. How could u giv it to Burrow and not him
I agree but how could you give it to Lamar before Allen?
@@TonygawkprobaterLamar beat Josh head to head too
@@ryanbradshaw3813 yea I hate that 😭
I would like to see Burrow snatch the MVP outta nowhere just for the pure grit this season. The stats are there as well.
Don’t forget Allen’s 12 rushing touchdowns, specifically the one to beat the chiefs. He literally single handedly stopped their perfect season.
Not sure why on all these shows they just gloss over rushing touchdowns by a qb. You get 7 points whether you rush or throw it. If you add rushing touchdowns Allen has 40, which is much closer to the other guys.
Or Lamar, who has almost a thousand yards rushing on top of the passing yards and historic passer rating.
Half or more of his rushing touchdowns are at the goal line off of a sneak. If Lamar didn’t have Derrick Henry and had a bigger frame/build he would have the same numbers. Allen stat padding
@@Milt-g4f which he is still behind burrow when you add those together. I don’t understand how that is even an argument?
Bro a majority of those TDs are from the 1 yard line lol. Straight up stealing TDs from his running backs lol. He had one game with 3 one yard TD runs lol.
@@bradleygruber9839Lamar stat padding his Pass TDS why does JCook have more rushing TDs then DHenry on half the yards and less carries?
Burrow has no argument for MVP. Too many losses and you cannot justify putting him ahead of Lamar
I really don't like Jason's arguments about preseason narratives and expectations as more of a factor than what actually happened and what the Bills roster is and more importantly what the afc east really was compared to the preseason narratives. What the actual performances of the individual players in the context of what actually happened make Foxworth and Mike clearly more coherent in their arguments.
This isn’t an argument. If you are a QB on a failing team that maybeeee crawls to a playoff game we can’t reward that.
Why is ESPN doing everything they can to make Lamar not win the MVP?
They wanna make it seem like it’s a close race with 3 other people lmao when they know they wanted Josh to win since the snow game I promise
Last year Josh Allen led the league in Total TD's, took a team from 6-6 and "In the Hunt" to the 2 seed in the AFC and somehow finished 5th in MVP voting because of Turnovers.....In terms of MVP what Josh did last year is waaaay more impressive than Burrow just making it in the playoffs as a 7 seed. People have short memories.
You do realize turnovers lead to points for the other team right? 🤔 Giving the other teams points takes away from the points you scored imo
Burrow needs to be on a commercial selling those footballs you pass to yourself. Lamar is hanging out with the Rookies. Allen is MVP
I mean, I hate to be mean, but how are these guys so stupid? “Joe Burrow is playing well but Lamar Jackson is playing better” .. “ Lamar and Allen are having historically great seasons” .. from a passing perspective, Burrow has more passing yards, touchdowns, and a better completion % than the other 2! He is literally better across the board than both other quarterbacks.. the historically great season is the one by Joe Burrow .. the only time a quarterback has thrown as many touchdowns as he has (43) and not won the MVP was when Drew Brees did it the year Aaron Rodgers (45 td passes) won.. and Burrow is completing 70% of his passes, which is insane! I don’t think Allen should even be in the conversation.. this is what the media does. They latch onto someone and say these vague statements like “we haven’t ever seen what Allen is doing be done before”.. Joe Burrow has thrown like 14 more touchdown passes and passed for like 1000 yards more than Josh Allen and Burrow’s completion percentage is so much better than Allen’s, It isn’t even funny.. I am really starting to hate the NFL media.. there is no passing statistic with Josh Allen that anyone can point to and say “that is better than Joe Burrow”.. not one
Let's look at the #'s Josh 13 wins, Lamar 11 wins, Joe 8-9 wins. Enough said.
With most other QBs, analysts are able to recognize when a QB's numbers are inflated due to a defense being terrible and the offense constantly needing to score.
With Joe Burrow, the 'garbage-time' production argument seems to not even be brought up
Because there is no garbage time when games are still in the realm to be won and its only garbage time if they are still scoring after being up by 40 points
Sadly team success plays too big of a role in MVP discussions. It happens in the NBA as well, but at least in the NBA a single player can actually do a lot of the carrying in games where as in football you, as a QB have to rely on your offense and defense to do their jobs and if they can't, you will look bad. That's just how the cookie crumbles. Burrow deserves to win MVP because he is the main reason the Bengals are even in a position to reach the Playoffs where as teams like the Vikings, Bills, Chiefs, Eagles have well rounded rosters that do their job well.
Brees threw for 5k yards FIVE times in his career and never smelt an MVP save the superbowl MVP
Yeah, but that's mostly to do with Brady, Rodgers and Manning rewriting records when he was doing it.
Arguments against Burrow also apply to Josh, Lamar.... they have all had at least 1 bad game, they all have weapons, they all have historically great stats. They are all worthy of MVP discussion and votes
Burrow THREW 1 TD against Patriots ... actually Burrow threw 2 TD passes in a row...
Gesicki's TD was overturned and then the NFL told the Bengals the next day that Gesicki's TD pass should have been ruled a TD (which is how it was called on the field... Gesicki landed on his back). The very next play Joe passes to Tanner Hudson and the ball gets punched out at the goalline bc Tanner was careless by holding ball out and Tanner said he didn't realize any defender was close to him
But you haters want to blame Burrow in his 1st game back from major wrist surgery on his throwing hand... when he was on a pitch count
So what is Allen's excuse in Ravens game? Or Lamar's excuse in the Browns game? Derrick Henry and Tucker won the 1st Ravens game against the Bengals only after the Bengals kicker missed the game winning field goal
Arguments against Burrow also apply to Josh, Lamar, and Baker.... they have all had at least 1 bad game, they all have weapons, they all have historically great stats. They are all worthy of MVP discussion and votes
MVP=Most Valuable Player. Take Burrow off the Bengals and they might not even have a win, 1-2 wins tops. Take Lamar off the ravens and they still have one of the best o-lines and a top 3 rushing attack, with an improved defense. Take Allen off the bills and they still have a good defense with a good RB in james cook. Point being Baltimore and Buffalo can win games without having to solely rely on their QB's, Cincinnati has to rely on Burrow to play out of his mind nearly every game to just get to .500, without him this season they would likely be picking 1st in the draft.
9 Wins?? Stop kidding around.. he has the best weapons around him so what makes it greater achievement over others??? Winning teams not necessary to use QB’s stats to show but these mid tier teams with great offense are dying to play like a fire work in New Year’s Day.. they may have no options or Coaches are prepare to just attempt 40+ passes minimum and Running play as a waste?? If they are winning? then you can say it but Stop it!!! 9 Ws??? Get real, stop looking at Stats as #1 comparing criteria because some QBs not allow to attempt that many passes but other things to help team win and satisfied the system- MVP definition!!
Is he supposed to play defense too? Stats are how we quantify production. Production correlates to value.
Cincinnati might legitimately be contending for the #1 pick without Burrow. They aren't a good team.
@@zackhurwitz9441MVP isn’t for stats but overall success!! Unless he is overwhelmingly front of others with less than 9Ws, TOO BAD your team is not qualified for MVP…
@@NewYorkNYKerhe is in front of everyone. Would probably be even moreso if he had anything other than his WRs to complement him.
Allen's offensive line is elite this year, Burrow's is terrible. Lamar has an elite running game, Burrow's is terrible. Both of Buffalo and Baltimore's play-calling are more highly graded than Cincinnati's.
I don't think he should be MVP, it should either be Josh or Lamar. But Burrow should be in serious consideration, and team records shouldn't factor into an individual award.
@@zackhurwitz9441 Allen is just different creature who knows how to escape. Burrow with Bills offensive line, he would get at least 3X Sacks and more turn overs.. Stop it!! Allen help those OLines by throw in time and not to exceed like Burrow trying to do.. Bills WRs with Burrow?? 😂 Burrow wants Hollywood stars on his team and use their separation and speed agility to be successful. I am not saying he is not good QB, his QB IQ is really good and he has that killing instinct BUT Still not in Allen’s territory of lead his team not just offense but leader to be successful as a captain and leader by show great example. I will just leave at that lol.
@@NewYorkNYKer how does what you just said, logically compute?? Your team isn’t qualified for mvp? You don’t see how dumb that statement is?? I mean, how old are you?
They literally are lying. Burrow leads the league in total yards and total tds.
Imagine losing MVP to someone you beat
That’s sports buddy
This whole joe burrow argument is proof its a popularity contest not who is the actual MVP
I see y’all ain’t lean y’all lesson, doing to Jayden Daniels what y’all did to CJ Stoud
They must be in McCourty ear telling him what to say because he says the same talking points over and over 😂😂
Josh Allen plays in a terrible division, Lamar has a great running back and offensive line, Burrow has a bad offensive line, bad defense and plays in the toughest division. When you put all those together, who’s really valuable to their team based on numbers and the team around them.
Burrow for MVP
Lmfao ohhh yea and he just has Jamar chase and tee Higgins I have literally seen chase take a screen 70 yards 50 yards and both will catch a slant and make it 15 cut the shyt.
Joe Burrow‘s to the Rams sounds good to me
Daniels #1 Nix #2 Maye #3 Williams #4 Penix #5 McCarthy #6
Bo Nix is older and being supported by a much better organization than the Patriots. Anyone who watches Drake Maye will tell you he has a better arm and ability to escape defenders than Bo Nix.
@dchenkin02 I've listened to many "experts" and it's not unanimous pro Nix or pro Maye so I will respectfully disagree with you. Only Daniels seems to be unanimous. As for the "arm strength and athleticism" all I hear everyone (unanimous) say is "Nix has a much better arm and is a much better athlete than anyone thought". Evidenced by his rushing stats and escapability (400+ rush yards and only 24 sacks taken) and the 67 air yard TD pass to Marvin Mims (longest this season by ANY QB in the league) and the seam throw to Mims vs Cleveland that was a 93 yard TD. Having Nix #2 for me is not an indictment on Maye. I realize the limitations around him. It can certainly change going forward with new information but for now I have Nix #2. When he finishes 2nd in the OROY voting I believe that will be validated.
Here comes the #1 WR comments where they look past every Joe Burrow 400 yard game where one was out or injured or both lmfao. Those people GO REAL QUIET DURING THOSE GESECKI AND HAYDEN HURST 150 yard games huh? 😂😂😂😂😂
Someone who can only post a 9-8 or 8-9 record dosen't deserve an MVP.
I still don't get how the Beangles are going to make it to the playoffs? Even if the Broncos lose, the Dolphins need to lose, too. Also, the Steelers are fighting for the 5th because it is better to play against the Texans than Ravens.
Who edits these videos for this channel!? Topic of discussion starts @4:00
Everything they said about Jayden Daniels is exactly what everyone said about CJ Stroud after his rookie year. I think Daniels is going to be great, but 1 rookie season means almost nothing nowadays, you have to show it consistently year over year. Until year 3 or 4 I’m not willing to make any redrafts. For me Caleb still goes 1.
Just ask Burrow if he should be MVP? Likely his answer is NO, you gotta win and he know playing hot right now doesn't erase the fact that he and the team under perform earlier in the season. Anyway where is the MVP consideration for Goff, Saquon, Darnold, or even Mahomes?
Somebody explain to me how Lamar is statistically playing better than Joe?
Lamar Jackson is a far superior runner than Burrow. Burrow is throwing to the best wide receiver in the NFL and is not a threat to beat a defense as a runner.
@ you don’t watch Joe much do you? No he’s not the runner that Lamar is but Lamar is also not the passer Joe is!
Lamar beats up bad teams and won mvp last year with AVERAGE STATS
everyone conveniently forgets that Lamar led Ravens swept the Bengals and embarrassed the Bills. All of which happened BEFORE the defense finally started gelling.
And you seem to be forget that Lamar and the Ravens got embarrassed by the Browns and the Raiders... two of the worst teams in the NFL.
The ravens beat the bengals on a shanked walk-off field goal and a failed 2-pt conversion with about 3 defensive penalties on it. An Cinci had the 30th ranked O-line, 30th ranked defense, and 29th ranked run game. That's who the ravens got lucky to beat twice🤣
Cause he can’t win games. Don’t care about his defense. Lamar struggled 10 weeks over a terrible defense and still lead his team to a winning record during the stretch. What’s Joe excuse? Stat padding is stat padding and that is what he’s been doing both is why he hasn’t won many games this year.
Mvp needs to be decided before the superbowl teams have been decided, the playoffs need to be apart of it. Thats where the "who are you" teally comes out
Thats what the superbowl MVP is for. MVP focuses solely on the regular season
It’s crazy to think that the 4 best quarterback’s are all in the AFC and we get to see these guys possibly for another decade.
Bengals not making the playoffs
MVP is always gonna be about the winning team, but you cant compare Joe Burrow's season record to others that actually have defense. Bengals defense played trash this year. Every game was close cuz of the defense and Joe Burrow.
lamar has the best running game to help him
Burrow has two great wr and all they do is pass
@HjjMaker that's why his stats are what they are
@@Jram55 you sound dmb asf so how stats aren’t what they are becuse of his phenomenal wr but a rb helps Lamar make it make sense
Seven of their wins come from the worst eight teams in the NFL
Turn this TV off
Turn this TV off
"Why shouldn't Burrow get MVP?" ...simple, the others have played well ALL SEASON, even in losses...burrow has been inconsistent and struggled at times
Inconsistent huh? 8 straight games 250+ yards and 3 passing TD. Seems pretty inconsistent to me. Same as Lamar losing to browns and raiders… so…
Inconsistent is the last word Yu can say, everyone in the mvp race has struggled at least once or twice this year
@@papeboy_nardo2822 then why would Burrow be special if everyone has had a couple of bad games? Bengals are in a position they have to rely on other teams helping them over multiple weeks to get in to a 7 team playoff because they didn't take care of their business early in the season.
@@legitdragon6202 of the 3 mvp qbs burrow is the least physically gifted and has to work with a bottom o-line , subpar run game, and terrible defense (terrible isn’t even the word. And it’s because the bengals shouldn’t even be thinking about playoffs but they’re somehow still alive. Because of who . #9
He has a terrible line but he’s a pure pocket passer with elite numbers? Manufacturing excuses now.
If the bengals get into the playoffs joe burrow will beat josh allen, he will beat Patrick mahomes and will beat lamar jackson and win the superbowl. I would bet 1500$ on that. Joe burrow is playing out of his mind at rhe right time
People don’t know what “valuable” take burrow or Allen off bills they ain’t in the playoffs! It’s either burrow or Allen
Lmfao they aren’t in the playoffs with burrow…. and Allen’s schedule is weak try again.. how tf are you most valuable and still Don’t make the playoffs your argument is mute.
Has Lamar ever won a playoff game?
2-4 I believe
bruh saquon hurdled a man running backwards and might break the rushing yard record. qbs are annoying saquon is the best athlete in the league
Where was this bs narrative last year for MVP?
he has better stats in this, in that... thats why he should be MVP.
Complete BS
Most of these fools didn't even have the Bills winning their division and even worse, not even in the playoffs
Joe Bledsoe beat only back up qbs this season how ironic 😂. His first win against a starter came against rookie bo nix in overtime week 17 😮
Do you even watch the NFL? You do understand that the whole "QB v QB" thing is a myth right? Burrow has outperformed the opposing QB stats wise is literally 14/16 games so far, no one in the league can say that.
Don't be a moron and just look at wins when Burrow can't play defence
@TheMissiIe ok so if his defense goes against a starter at qb then his team has no chance? Don't sound like an mvp to me. But he us in the MVPity line just like Joshua was last season. They will win it America will be great again 🤣...mo ron
Bengals are NOT making the playoffs. SO, THERE!!!! 😂
Lamar leads him in nearly every QB metric. Ravens have a better overall record and nowhere near the receiver talent he has. He’s absolutely a top 5 talent but c’mon man it’s Lamar all day imho.
Enough of the bull shyt ESPN how tf is it possible burrow could be MVP when there is a QB that has beaten him twice and is currently about to win his very division? I don’t want to hear about stats they are similar… except Lamar has been way more efficient and faced a harder schedule this is disgusting one guy is on pace to break a record and the other guy is getting glazed..… Lamar lost some games due to Tucker where tf are his excuses and the defense… I have literally seen chase take a screen 70 yards and tee Higgins take a slant 20 30 why tf are we babying Joe burrow like he has no one. Who tf runs espn.
Thank you!
How is Lamar playing better than burrow? He has fewer interceptions. And I think a little higher QB rating. Other than that, burrows better in every other category
Ohh yea and two wins a better passer rating harder schedule and just might win the same division get real
You want storyline give Lamar 3 mvp
Usually gotta win your division😂😂😂
Ya think?
Sam Darnold has a better argument for MVP than Joe Burrow... C'mon be real. 8-8 🎤
How many wins do you think Darnold would have with one of the worst offensive lines in the league, and no running game or defense?
@@zackhurwitz9441 irrelevant
Naw. Playing on this Bengals team with porous D and shaky kickers, sub par O line Darnold would have 4 wins.
@zackhurwitz9441 that's inconsequential my man. Tell that to the Cincinnati front office. Who's the better QB? Burrow hands down. Who has a better MVP argument? Darnold hands down. You can't win MVP while also missing the playoffs. Fair or unfair that's just the truth.
@TimL-s2d That's not the question. Of course Burrow has more wins than Darnold would if Darnold played for Cincinnati. Burrow's the better QB. All that hypothetical reasoning has no bearing on the MVP consideration this year.
The simple answer; MVP should go to the quarterback who has the better Passer Rating / QBR, and team Record, and between Burrow and Jackson, it’s Jackson… Saquon Barkley a RB is not likely to win…
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Did this mf just say Lamar has better stats than joe? He literally doesn’t LMFAO.
Joe will be Mvp if they get in it’s that simple, if not he won’t. You’ll never go far in the playoffs with a quarterback who can’t outthink the best defensive minds in the league come playoff time, what’s Lamar’s playoff record again?
Sam darnold MVP
Lamar SHOULDN'T BE MVP
Joe Burrow should not win MVP. We cant start rewarding those who don’t have strong records or else this will turn into the NBA where we don’t care about winning
MVP isn;t a team record, its about the impact a sinlge player has on their team. Joe has been everything ti the Bengals. Thats gotta count for something
Stupid argument. MVP isn't tied to the teams record, but a singular players performance and impact on their team.
Most valuable player. Not team or teammate
1 player does not decide wins or losses in this league. Never has. The question is who is more valuable. Where would the Bengals be without him? Where would the Bills be without Josh Allen. That is the question of value. Based on your logic Mahomes is the MVP.
Josh Allen is the MVP this season. Joe Burrow? Oh, come on, man!
Burrow lost TWICE to Lamar this year how can he be MVP over Lamar w/ the type of season Lamar is having?
Media never bring that up
Chiefs won by 1 point
Ravens won by 3 points and 1 point
Allen didn't score 1 TD against the Ravens and they had 1 of the worst passing defenses at the time
Lamar threw 15 passes on xmas and completed 10 passes and was winning by so much that he sat out at the end of the game... only needed to complete 10 passes
Orlovsky showed stats that Lamar's receivers have the most separation in the NFL and both Burrow's and Allen's receivers get separation in the bottom 7 of the NFL with Allen's at 7th worst and Joe's below that. There could be several factors for lack of separation
He did but Both of those Bengals could’ve won. Missed field goal and failed 2-PT conversion. It’s not like the Ravens Blew them out.
LAMAR ISN'T MVP
@ he threw a costly pic in that first game
Joe BURROWS has BEEN CONFIDENT AND UNBOTHERED by the media. IM DONE ARGUING, JOE SHOULD BE MVP AND IT AINT EVEN CLOSE
You should be more concerned about them not making the playoffs
Neither Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Jared Goff, or Sam Darnold is a better nor more complete quarterback than Joe Burrow.
Lmfao then why is Lamar 6-1 against him with similar stats? Facts over fiction
@@HjjMakerwhy are Lamars stats so bad in the playoffs. Those other guys are better
@ ahh the playoff argument that’s how we know we got them.. why is Joe burrow 1-6 vs a guy who is bad in the playoffs and why did Allen get beat 35-10.. Lamar has certainly never gone 9/30 in a game😮💨😮💨🤦🏾♂️😂
@@HjjMaker 😭 77 playoff rating is a$$
Imagine just how bad things would be for Burrow if he didn’t have two number one receivers.
Tee isn’t a wr1
@ with any other team, he would be, So yeah, Burrow has two WR 1.
@ lmaoo tee isn’t even a top 25 receiver. Please don’t be delusional he’s having a great season but he’s not a wr1 on any other team other than patriots,titans,raiders
That mean he better get a trade to the NFC 😂 he won’t win that division until Lamar retires😂😂😂
Anybody who says Joe Burrow should be mvp. Jared Goff automatically cancels him out. U say Josh Allen over Goff. Lamar cancels them. There's no argument against Lamar Jackson as the MVP of the NFL. The sequon barkley argument was dumb too cause without the QB u can't guarantee the run being so affective. Hurts is still a dual-threat even if the ball don't go passed 20 yards.
Yeah there is lol. Overall team record and losses to 2 of the worst teams in the league. If he doesn't win his division, that's another reason why.
If Lamar cancels out other qbs because of stats, Burrow cancels him out. If saquon is diminished because of hurts passing threat then Lamar is diminished by Henry rushing threat. No one is the best at everything so it’s all about who you want to win and make a case for like you and the analysts just made a case for Lamar
Strange how Sam Darnold has more passing yards, TDS , and wins than Lamar last year but isn’t in consideration because the media doesn’t give him praise. It’s all a narrative award
The argument against Lamar is that Derrick Henry was the MVP in many of the games the Ravens won. Ravens lost when Henry was contained, and Lamar failed to get the win on his own. The argument favoring Lamar are his stats, but last year he won last year even though other qbs had better stats. Why shouldn't that happen again? MVP is not necessarily equivalent to best stats, which don't tell the whole story. Deserving players seems to be a crowded field this year and includes Lamar. But there's a lot of individual subjectivity on what defines an MVP. So good luck to all.
@tonyscime1331 excuse me young fella??? Derrick Henry has NOT missed a game this year. Only didn't score tds 5 or 6 games. Not even 1. Now considering u MADE UP the Lamar not getting it done when Henry is out. Is the same reason YOU'LL be the ONLY person surprised when he gets his 3rd mvp
Patriots should draft Cam Ward trade Drake Maye he be bust
Clown take. Ward is good, not better than maye. NE is terrible, any QB would look bad there.
We both know why YOU said this. Maye's melanin score isn't high enough?
Enjoy when cam ward becomes the next caleb williams/bryce young
Burrow should be MVP 100%.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 no
This is one of the most biased parrot panels in sports.. Good grief. L7
😂😂😂😂 crazy asl the bills the only
Team to beat the chiefs they not losing round 1😂😂😂
Lamar Wil never win a superbowl.... that's the truth haha I'm sick of hearing about this clown
Because they losers
I don’t think Josh wants to see Joe….
lol Josh will make Burrow look like 2025 Aaron Rodger’s
@ yea ok bro keep telling yourself that 🤣🤣🤣 Josh has NEVER been better than Joe.
@@Cmelo7100 Joe will be on a commercial selling those footballs you throw to yourself when he retires early because he doesn’t care about winning.
@ he doesn’t care about winning??!!!?!?? Bro he’s been to the Super Bowl and his defense and o line are either or BOTH terrible. You’re insane dawg 🤣
@ two words. Hard Knocks
Barkley!
Ew du!
Joe Burrow is #1
Joe gets so many excuses, 2 top 25 receivers his entire career and he has what to show for it?
Barkley breaks that record how is that not the MVP
Because ED didn't win MVP when he broke the record.
Fake record. Done in more games
@@BootCampBrandonDickerson got more games than OJ did when he broke the record. He still managed to stay healthy for a whole season, and got 2k. The amount of games doesn't matter.
@@BootCampBrandonand in les carries
@@zackhurwitz9441 The amount of games DOES matter. Nothing you say changes that.