Please get Craig from e6 vlogs on. He is a Mft shooter and mainly does landscape with fantastic results. He's also got good humour so would make a good guest and it provides a good contrast with the Mft
Aaron O'Brien - think you have misunderstood what I was saying Aaron. Nice to see to putting your point across so eloquently though. For the record, none of us actually slated mirrorless cameras. We just said that none of us were in a position to change yet.
Ermmmm.. where to start.. firstly hi Gary pro fuji shooter here.. thought you knew that haha.. small camera not pro????? hmmmm thanks mate haha - ive seen pro video dudes filming with samsung phones on a gimbal!! and ive seen it a lot! So my take on mirrorless cameras (i own xt3 xpro2 x100f m50 and sony a7iii) WEDDINGS: EVF!!!! thats enough for me anyway but theres more! focus peaking! GAME CHANGER! Shoot BW in the EVF with actual exposures in real time! as much as i adored my DSLR's (canon) id never be without this! Focusing.. seriously??? who said that?? they must have been using a slow old lens! The Sony is better than the fuji but seriously!!? i wouldn't hesitate to shoot my sports events with either.. xt3 and a7iii are insane focusing cameras.. ive shot lots of sporting events with both.. my canons were no where near as good at focusing.. but i know the d500 and d850 are great Eye AF!!! just incredible!! especially on the Sony! (i hate the ergo of the sony but this is a nuts feature) Size & weight (fuji cropped sensor lenses) the fuji system i shoot for street and weddings is tiny! i shoot two bodies two primes! with the x100f round my shoulder at all times so i always have a 35mm f2! In evf histogram! prob my favourite mirrorless feature! i never over expose and so all of my shots are usable.. even going from dark to light environments i can adjust through the evf so can keep an eye on the event and not miss a shot! no need to chimp! EVER! Batteries.. i have 5 and they cover me any event all day easy.. normally use 3.. Sony id use 1!! that battery is DSLR like!! EVF quality!! The xt3 even in low light is fantastic! better in fact than a dslr as it simulates exposure so you can actually see in the dark! not just a TTL view.. but i love my xpro2 for its hybrid EVF/OVF for very low light shooting :-) Silent shooting - this is the reason i went mirrorless, i shoot piano concerts and film too.. my canon shutter was always picked up in the audio of the piano.. plus it was hugely distracting walking around the venue, disturbing the guests.. Same goes for a wedding - no super loud thumps during the ceremony! unless i use the sSony lol.. Electronic shutter.. (completely silent) i often run into problems with this.. My xt3 and x100f is silent without this thankfully so i dont use it.. bad lighting and your images are often banded. Joy to use! - i adore the fuji system to use the ergo and tactile design is amazing i can see the settings all the time with the camera off and change aperture super fast on the lens LANDSCAPES: DR is amazing as is on any sensor these days dslr or mirrorless ( bracket if needs be) Image quality.. my xt3 is def as good as my full frame canon was.. the fuji lenses are faultless. Crop v full frame! i choose crop for the added dof.. iso is good enough for my astro shots at 6400 IBIS - some produce sharp images at 3 sec exp hand held!! not my way of shooting but wow! impressive.. not sure a DSLR does that? Histogram! not on all dslr's even new ones! im shocked this isnt in the ovf yet! Focus peaking!!!!!! epic!! i love it especially for night and astro shooting!! low light focusing is easier on my mirrorless than on my mates D750.. not sure about the 850.. does that have peaking? long exposures in camera.. not sure this is a mirrorless thing or not but i can do 15 min exps in camera.. 30 secs on any DSLR ive seen.. again new ones might have this.. Smaller lenses.. Adam mentioned the 16-55 - he's right is a beast! EPIC but big and heavy - the 18-55 (2.8-F4) isnt its amazing too! plus the 55-200 and theres a huge weight and size saving there compared to respective full frame cameras (you dont need 2.8 for ls) primes are tiny too! samyang 12mm f2! epic lens.. dam cheap and sooooo small!! - i love this for hiking and camping! Manual focus but with focus peaking its a doddle.. Reliability wise - im shocked to hear Adams 50r didnt handle the cold! ive not heard of this before!! ill admit its always been a concern with the mirrorless cameras ive had.. ive lost a few to 'splashes' knowing my canon 5d's would have laughed it off.. i certainly doubt the durability of my Sony! that feels crap and no way id trust that in a cold demanding environment ( even the a7riii) tho Tony Northrup did a freeze test and it survived!) the cold kills batteries and even more so the mirrorless ones! DSLR still has the edge there i think.. so a trip to Greenland might come with a hire of a d850 lol.. Sorry for the long reply! hope i didnt miss anything.. to conclude its horses for courses.. if i shot 100% LS's and no weddings and concerts id be a D850 guy!! i adore it.. but its what you get used to.. you may know i had a bad reliability issue with a few of my Fuji cameras, i never had that for 10 years with the canon system.. tho the XT3 is faultless so far.. i wouldn't shoot events with a dslr now.. there are too many benefits of mirrorless for my way of shooting! but no... NO NO NO DSLR is far from dead! Great episode guys - sorry if i went on haha
I know you're a Pro Fuji shooter Gareth 😁 But I can also remember us having a conversation a couple of weeks ago about your video. If you remember, it's the video where you moaned because the focus system on your Fuji sucked. Also, I remember you moaning at the terrible battery life! I think you further mentioned having to get one of them repaired too? I'm not 100% sure on the later one though 😊 Wasn't the video you made comparing the Fuji against the Sony? I do like both of those cameras btw, They're just for not me
@@GaryGough Battery life on my D7200 is awesome. Shoot runners, not literally, and I've never had to change a battery. Even after a few thousand shots.
Hi, I am new photography and these podcasts are excellent. Listened to 6 of the yesterday whilst decorating. Gareth I watch your channel and that's great too. I am new to photography and I have limited experiences with DSLRs but I think Gareth raises some excellent points. I have a Lumix g80 and bought it primarily because of the weight. Yes the body is not significantly lighter but add up the additional weight with a few lenses and your potentially talking pounds difference. As for battery life if it's in economy mode itll just like kick in when I bring it to my eye and last for ages. Keep the good work and think it's great you guys give so much of your time to your channel. I work away from and it's proved a lifesaver, it's like being part of a community. Cheers
Good to see you all back. However the statement about a big camera making you look half way professional made me cringe. There are many award winning highly sought after pros who use compact systems such as the Fuji XT-2 or XT-3 or APS-C systems in general for instance.
I think Gary was talking about at weddings on that point, not landscapes. I've certainly never heard of a wedding photographer using a fuji x series. I do think it's possible though.
Yeah fair play. Whatever works for people. I personally don't think people would think less of a photographer using an XT3......99% people either don't care or don't notice.
@@PhotoNerds There are loads of wedding photographers even within the UK, who are using Fuji X series cameras, and some have RUclips channels. Go and check out Kevin Mullins, for example.
I think youve taken it the wrong way. They ere speaking from an image standpoint. Most people will assume a professional photographer will turn up with a big camera and lens system. Its "looks" professional. Obvioukly as photographers we know you could turn up with a X-T2 and take amazing sharp images but non-photographers expect big systems.
Guys, my first dip into your podcast - nice work. My reason for staying with DSLR is that it would cost me a small fortune to change system and as a hobbyist, I cannot justify that to myself, never mind my other half. Someone said I could use my current lenses with an adapter but the key benefit of the bigger mount is to get better bigger glass in front of it. If/when the D600 dies, I might look at the Z6 or whatever it is by then but by then D850s should be going for a song (he says in hope). I think BVS nailed it when he said the time to change is when your current camera is stopping you doing something you want to do, or when you just want to burn some cash, because you can. Looking forward to doing some catch up with your podcasts on the way to Assynt, with old DSLR, in 2 weeks time.
Good chat guys, listened to this on the way home in the car. It does make me chuckle though how there is a lot of conversation about mirrorless as being new, I bought my first MILC back in 2008, the Panasonic G1, to complement my 5D. Cameras are tools so I don’t see an issue having more than one if it helps. Re quality, well I started in film so I’m use to working within limitations, though these days that is less of an issue. The key with M43rds MILCs is the huge weight saving of the lenses, I can get from 24mm to 200mm in 560g with a professional build lens. Add in a few more and the saving goes up. Conversely if I want architectural detail I use a Sony A7R3 and Canon Tilt and Shift lenses. Ironically if I want to go really light it’s not the M43rds I use but the Sony A7R3 with a pancake 35 f2.8. Everything is just a compromise and the right tool for the job. This wouldn’t work for me with action shots as it’s more difficult to have muscle memory using more than one system, even if you do set them up similarly. Maybe a discussion topic for a show “owning multiple systems”. I’m totally mirrorless now and couldn’t go back, hated getting dust in the view finder or focus screen and those right angled magnified viewfinders were awful to use with glasses.
Excellent show as usual but I think a lot of your comments about mirrorless are years out of date. The current Sony models have excellent battery life and and focus systems and although their menu system can be a quirky at first, the menu and controls are easily customisable to suit your type of photography. I switched from a canon 7D to a Sony A6000 and now use a Sony A7R3 which I find excellent for landscape photography.
Fair comment. I have had a play with the latest sony and still found buttons etc fiddly. However i have short stubby fingers :) This an upto date review which i think says everything we mention www.digitalcameraworld.com/features/dslr-vs-mirrorless-cameras-how-do-they-compare
I would second the comment a lot of your comments on mirrorless are out of date. Couldn't understand the viewfinder comment and that you couldn't look through to see your composition, maybe you had the lense cap on when you were looking through the mirrorless viewfinder. The comment for Sony batteries is 3 years old and most non sony too, yeh if you are going to compare at least compare with the current technology not stuff 3-5 yrs old. So many of the comments just way out of date, it is very obvious most of you have never used a mirrorless made in the last year. Interesting chat but so many false facts, yeh the big camera comment not making you look professional was ridiculous! lol Then I heard the Nikon bridge camera was pin sharp fully zoomed in, wow total rubbish, you guys need to do your research better, otherwise you are just spreading rubbish to beginners.
been an amateur for 25 years. currently own d850 d500 and a shelf of lenses. last fall i picked up a xt3 for a paid job...My first an outdoor music festival that wanted a mix of photos and video for promos. free food beer and enough money to cover the fuji kit with 4 lenses. Off i went with a d850 24/70 and the xt3 50-140 on a black rapid strap. I have shot the nikon 4 times since last fall. the iq of the xt3 sits squarly between the d850 and 500. The x-t3 just asks to be taken along on a car ride like a loyal dog. I cant explain it but the nikons will be sold to add a gfx 50s
Good to see you back guys and enjoyed the debate this week. In terms of the segment about Paul's vlog on Skye. Think that was one of the first ones I watched from Paul and that intro certainly made the hairs on the back of the neck stand up
Brilliant guys. Just brilliant. Been waiting weeks for this and it has been worth the wait. In terms of missed shots, I gave had a number of moments where I have been driving and an amazing sunrise/sunset has erupted and there is little you can do but admire as you are at on A1 or M1.
@@PhotoNerds lol yes that thought ran through my head several times. There was another occasion (several actually) when I worked at RAF Lakenheath. The office was directly on the flight path at the end of the runway and numerous F15s blasting overhead (about 50ft overhead) no doubt on their way to Mach Loop. Unfortunately no cameras allowed but i was tempted. My gear was in the boot.
Not much weight difference ? my 5D3 (no lens) weighs 1110grams (39 oz) my A7III (no lens) weighs 689grams (24oz) that works out to be 60% lighter ! So that's Ballax too.
I got fed up with carrying a bag full of lenses about, especially when at the Zoo when it was a lens change every few minutes, so I sold all of my Cannon gear and bought a Sony RX10iv. I am very impressed with it. It does so much, and the picture quality is very nice. But you guys are right there is a snobbery, and Bridge camera owners are looked down upon. I also have just bought the Huawei P30, my what a great camera it is. 40 MP, it will shoot wide angle, and also has 30X zoom. It will take super macro. Its really good, and I will always have a reasonable camera with me all the time now. It's nice to see you back on air lads, I have missed you guys.
Dslr or mirrorless, i use an Olympus omd10 mk3 c/w 2 kit lenses. I can get great shots from it and it suits me for more then just the usual reasons you talked about, i have osteoporosis (brittle bones) and osteoarthritis. On a long day even the lightness of my camera becomes heavy and tiring. Years ago i sold mobile phones and people would ask me what mobile phone should they buy, i would tell them if you need an all singing all dancing one then spend your money but if all you need is a phone that makes calls then get one of the basics. Its the same with cameras, if you're a pro you'll need the best you can afford, if you just want to take photos there's plenty of affordable makes out there. Dslr or mirrorless.... get what suits you.
i moved over to the Fujifilm xt2 from Canon over 2 years ago now and have never looked back. i used the 5dmk11 and the 5d mk111 for many a year and can honestly say the xt2 takes pictures just as good. I used to go out regularly shooting landscapes with the 5dmk 3 and 3 lenses 70-200, 16-35, 24-70 and now i use xt2 and the 10-24, 55-200, and a couple of primes and the weights halved, and find the fuji focuses just as quick.
I had the exact canon cameras and switched to the xt2 also. My Canon 5d mk3 froze a number of times, had to remove battery for 15 mins which ruined my trust which is a struggle to get back. Plus I had focus issues with my sigma art lens and canon 16-35l which made each job a tireless checking exercise which was frustrating. I know its always a subjective experience that sways things and that won't be everyone's but once I used an xt2 with the 35mm f2 fuji lens alongside my ageing Canon I had to switch. Everything worked seamlessly on the fuji, focus was sharp and consistent every time and never had any issues. Add in silent shooting, weight, functionality plus the amazing firmware support which Fuji offers (they added 4k shooting to the X-Pro2 in firmware) and it really feels like no contest. I'm often shooting professionally, constantly for 8 hours in events and street at a time and with battery grip I never have to change it up so battery life is no issue either. Just my limited thoughts
I wrote an article about this you may find interesting medium.com/self-help-photography/things-we-lose-in-the-process-the-tale-of-the-techno-love-rat-111f96c361c0
Hi guys. I would be interested in hearing a debate on ‘the photographer’s eye’. That elusive X factor that turns a photograph into a work of art. Just like an episode of X factor talent show where there are people who truly believe with all their heart they can sing but sound dreadful and those that sing so beautifully it brings you to tears. Same for photography. A photographer may take an image and call it art...they think it might be, their followers say its great, but is it? What makes it art? If, say, I went round the coast of Britain and photographed 1 pebble from every beach, then staged an exhibition. Is that art? How can you measure your success? Can you really learn to make images that move people or is it only those born with the ability in their soul, ie with ‘the eye’ that truly can. Might be an interesting debate.
Lol. Great idea. Both for the podcast and 'Beach Pebbles'. I was in Waterstones today and some of the photography books had a much less interesting theme than that.
Nice to see you back. I think you'll get a lot of feedback on the mirrorless/DSLR issue! I think we tend to like the gear we've invested in, and people do get hot under the collar when someone seems to be dissing their stuff! - which you weren't. Nonetheless, as DSLR shooters that may have coloured the view you take; I shoot Fuji and I'm sure it colours mine. Light and very intuitive to use it suits me, and it produces superb images that can be printed quite large and still at high quality. It's not just an all rounder for the enthusiast, either. Several pros I know of use it in landscape - Andy Mumford would be a good example. Yes, glass produces weight even with the Fuji, but if I'm going up the Dolomites with a camera I find that I can take a lighter ( though still sturdy) tripod etc plus a wide angle ( 10-24) and long lens ( 55-200) that doesn't break my back. However, there is a huge subjective element in assessing the quality of gear. As we've all said before, gear isn't the crucial thing - it's whether what you've got is fit for your purposes.
Just want to say I'm enjoying the shows. I've watched/listened to every episode today, while going through my photos and editing. Thanks for taking the time to record the show! :)
Enjoy the podcasts and the format which, as it gets some discussion going rather than the usual single person view, is refreshing and raises the occasional question. Regards the DSLR vs Mirrorless, as other have said the argument is a bit one sided, but how long is a piece of string. Photography is my hobby and i went from a Canon 60D to an M5 over a year ago. I liked the 60D for the odd sports event but when it mattered (e.g. family events, day trips etc) it sat in a bag at home because a) it was too large to be portable and b) it was overkill. I now have a camera and lens system which is half the size and possibly weight of my 60D with better IQ and Dynamic Range, which goes everywhere with me. This has meant that i now get out more often and actually enjoy photography again. It has it's drawbacks of course such as AF not being up to that of the 60D, smaller grip and button layout not being conducive to BBF, but the benefits far out weigh the negatives. Also, i get your point about the larger cameras and Pro Photographers. i think it's just something we have become accustomed too. I f i saw a photographer with a larger camera and lens i would be more likely to assume they were the professional and give them more space at a wedding or event to do there job. Just another point, i watched Adam's vlog re landscape with a smartphone. He pointed out that it was liberating and was very happy with images taken on the iPhone although depth of field, ability to change Aperture, noise and some other issues were highlighted. It seemed to be more positive than this podcast which is surprising given that something like the M50 + 11-22mm lens isn't much bigger, just as portable (i would argue) when hiking and will produce IQ and Dynamic range equalling that of canons high end crop DSLRs. Also, i'm not an iphone person, but i would be surprised if it were available for the equivalent price of the M50. Perhaps for a future Podcast each of you can get your hands on recent Mirrorless Cameras and do a proper comparison vs your DSLRs. I would like to see this, warts and all.
I am a APS-C camera user. I see no need for Full Frame camera. I shoot street. The camera, and you, have to be quick to get a street photo. My Nikon D5600 was and still is quick. My problem was Nikon never has released any wide angle primes for their DX bodies. That means Zooms. And zooms can be heavy and lopsided. I ended up with a Sigma 17mm-50mm f2.8 zoom and after a short time using it I just couldn't carry the D5600 and the Sigma zooms for any length of time. So I went over to the dark side and purchased a used Fujifilm XPro-1 for $600 and a new Fujifilm 27mm f2.8 that has been discounted to $300. I now have the xPro-2 and 4 primes lense for the camera. They are lighter than the D5600 because the primes are lighter any zoom. Especially the 27mm lens. I really like the field of view of the 27mm and it's light enough that I can carry the XPro-2 w/27mm all day. It focuses just fine. Including when I have to get photos in quick succession.
So glad your back , great podcast again keep them coming. The format is spot on the passion,knowledge comes shining through as you say it’s 3 mates having a chat. Yes I knew Adam was going to choose “that” picture. I am going to Skye in June and haven’t done the fairy pools. Keep it up guys😃
My upgrade to mirrorless thus far has been a fantastic experience, like Paul i am a Nikon shooter. My first dslr was a D3300 which i decided to keep as a backup and the fact that it was only worth $75. The reason for my upgrade was QUALITY, my only other consideration that was in the same price range was the D750, which i rented to see if i liked it and i did. However besides the battery life I greatly prefer my Z6. It has many more capabilities than the D750 and im glad i went with it. If you are wanting to look into a new system or are curios just rent it and see what its about, you'll know in 1 day if it's a right fit. For me it was just time and i would recommend to anyone who is looking at upgrading to have a go with it.
An enjoyable conversation, I listen when in the garden then comment on RUclips. I being quite clumsy bracket rather than having grads, thought that could be a subject for a conversation. thanks for sharing. Cheers Peter.
although I know this video is about a year old, I’ll still make the comment in case you gents happen to read it. I do have a DSLR and a mirrorless. I prefer the latter, and the reason is not weight. It’s just because of the EVF and when i focus I can also see the histogram and shoot... Rather than switching to the live view, measure, and then focus again. And I also find easier to focus on the mirrorless. I have to confess that for a portrait photoshoot I prefer the Nikon; but the GFX is really good for everything that does not require a hurry.
I'm really enjoying this format. 3 mates chatting about photography. We all do it, but great to see what some of my favourite youtube photographers think on certain subjects too. On the DSLR Vs Mirrorless topic, I use both. Canon 7D and Panasonic GX80. I use the GX80 all the time because of it's size and weight but if i was going out to specifically take landscapes, i would take the 7D. Not that I think it is better, but rather I just prefer using it. It's purely personal preference. Good to see you guys back and look forward to more. 👍
Welcome Back! :) I really enjoyed Paul's Old Man of Storr and Adam's seaside sunset vlogs because of the obvious emotional impact they were having. Because of the challenges in taking them, I've got a couple of favorite wildlife images that are really a bit rubbish by modern standards.
I’ve just found this pod cast and I’m enjoying working my way through the back catalogue but would like to comment on a couple of points in this episode. The mirror vs mirror less debate is all but over, the days of the mirror are numbered and mirror less is the way camera technology is going. Like all technology it can be developed and once the EVF matches the performance of the optical viewfinder on-one will care; in practical terms, once you take out physical mechanics of the mirror and pentaprism you’ve a lot of space to play with and can concentrate on developing the software and what the camera can do with the light it captures. I’d be surprised if Nikon and Canon announce any new high end DSLRs, with the Olympics in Japan next year I think we’ll see both the big companies releasing high end mirror less bodies to take advantage of the new lenses they’ve released in the EF-R and Z series. On the subject of Skye, all we ever see is a handful of honeypot places like Sligachan, Storr, Fairypools and Point of Neist but there are loads of other places; they’re just difficult to find and require an investment in time and effort to get to.
Great topic which I can see has opened up a lot of comments It's all personal choice Find what works best for you and you alone, weather it be a DSLR or a mirror less system As long as you are happy with what you have that's all that matters, imo.
Great Episode ... And the comments are nearly as entertaining as the content. I enjoy listening to you guys chat about photo topics, it's great to hear different viewpoints, no point in getting upset 😁.
Darren Probert - Cheers Darren. People are struggling to understand that not everybody’s opinions have to be the same. The comments are the best part of creating podcasts.
Great to see you're all back. I use a Nikon for what I call my serious shots but the gear (at 72) was proving a bit much to carry, so I bought a new Olympus OMD5 mk2 and a few lenses for general work & I'm impressed by the quality & the fact I can carry the camera & four lenses in the pockets of my jacket no problem . I looked at FF mirrorless like the Sony A7R but agree the weight saving was not worth the cost of changing all my Nikon gear.
Like your video guys and glad you are back again and not just a flash in the pan. Ooo 3 old school DSLR shooters comparing DSLR's to Mirrorless - always going to cause an amount of reaction. As others have said, I think a lot of your views on mirrorless are out of date (EVF, focusing etc). Granted, handling is always going to be a personal preference. And the small camera = non pro. At the end of the day surely your portfolio does the talking, who cares about the camera. I remember reading ages ago an article on an Indian photographer who started shooting weddings on an iPhone, images were amazing! Love the discussion on what makes your best photo, very interesting, that kind of discussion is far more interesting than gear (given there are 1000's of channels talking about gear), more of that please!!!!
Thanks Julian. Glad you are enjoying the podcasts. I love your point of view and this article puts in words more succinctly my thoughts than i did on camera :) I agree less gear talk and more chat is the way forward. www.digitalcameraworld.com/features/dslr-vs-mirrorless-cameras-how-do-they-compare
fab podcast, excellent for listening to when im editing photos, Paul your right about the emotion, ive been to a couple of place that have literally overwhelmed me. I had the a similar thing gary with Prince Charles he was at my grandsons school I was merely there with my daughter to try and het a shot of him for her. he came out saw me with my camera poised, came straight over I clicked a few off and then he stood talking to me saying here's a lady who looks like she knows whats shes doing, so aghast that hes spoken to me I completely missed a shot of him shaking my daughters hand, she was furious lol .
- I hope all the Pro's do go mirrorless. It means the used market will be flooded with cheap Pro gear. - What the bridge camera's lack is shallow depth of field for subject isolation. I heard it best described as stills from live TV broadcasts of sports. It's zoomed in and sharp, but so is everything else.
Welcome back, loving the relaxed banter and simple production. Ignore some of the aggressive opinion s spouted on here. I’ve just got a x-t30 and loving it. Still going use my D750 but the Fuji is for its small size to take away motorcycle touring and day to day carrying round. It also make me feel less conspicuous in public than a big dslr so yes I agree with the dslr looking more professional to joe public at least. Keep up the good work and keeping enjoying it, it comes through
Hi guy’s I use a canon m50 as a walk about with 18-150 mm lens. It is great for street and for tripod landscape work also. The issue is pretty much as you have discussed it’s slower then my dslr and the evf whilst better than Some bridge cameras I have had is not a patch on my dslr, they just work better in my opinion. Great podcast keep up the good work
Had similar thoughts in the past with DSLR vs mirrorless. Got to use a Sony A7iii recently with some amazing lenses from G-master and zeiss variants and it was absolutely incredible. The dynamic range was amazing as well as the low light performance. Couldn't see a different between it and a Canon 5d mk iv. Enough to make me want to move to a mirrorless system into the future as i think that's where the market will end up imo.
Hi Guys Great to see you all back and love the insights. I think one minor point you might be missing is the size. I off course think dslrs are great as I have a couple Nikons. I also have an Olympus OMD EM1 and the size is just great because for me so much lighter. I like to photograph surfing and birds and action. Using the nikon d500 with the sigma 150-600 lens make for a heavy combination. when you compare the weight of camera and lens on the olympus set up it is significantly reduced. There is a podcast by Scott Bourne called "Picture Methods Podcast" and he explains a lot of the benifits of mirrorless although he is an Olympus Visionary. From memory its his second podcast that has the reference costwise and weight wise. He used to be a Canon Photographer and used to carry around the Heavy 600mm lenses etc. The other advantage for me is when travelling and on plane can only take 7KGs on board. Iwould never check in my equipment. I watch all 3 of your vlogs and each of you have your own unique style. Keep up the great work gentlemen...
Great discussion guys :) I decided to upgrade my Nikon D810 a year or so ago and after a lot of research I moved over to Sony. I must admit that I was always slightly disappointed with the wide angle lenses I used from Nikon (17-35 F2.8 and a couple of 16-35 F4s) They did the job but suffered greatly in the corners. I am not a pro but was lucky enough to be able to afford a switch to the A7R3 with a couple of GM lenses. The 16-35 F2.8 is so, so good, but also expensive. I find battery life better on my Sony than it was on the D810 - I am in live view almost all the time and the Sony has been well optimised for that obviously. Having used the eye autofocus on the Sony I can only say that I would not use anything else if I was a wedding tog. You can just forget about moving focus points around and concentrate on composition.
Any discussions about camera gear is always going to ruffle feathers and I have never understood why folk get so wound up over it. I don't usually comment on forums but thought I would leave some of my experiences with regards to mirrorless. I have used the Nikon system for some time now and before that I had a medium format camera. Whenever I had out the large medium format camera or Nikon D4 I would always get other photographers approach me and get into a discussion about the cameras. Since using my little mirrorless (for the last three years) no one has ever approached me to ask what it is I am using and I get the feeling that the DSLR users look down their noses at it since it does look like a toy on its relatively large tripod. There definitely is gear snobbery out there. The reason I bought the mirrorless was to save not only on weight but also on bulk since I travel a lot in mountainous terrain and a DSLR and several lenses take up a hell of a lot of room in your rucksack and in winter it means more room in there for additional clothing etc. I have to disagree on the comments made about weight difference between mirrorless and DSLR. The camera I have plus three lenses (14mm, 18-55mm & 55-200mm plus two spare batteries and all filters etc. weighs a little under 2KG. Believe me that is a significant saving not only in weight but also bulk over a traditional system. Having carried both DSLR (crop sensor and full frame incl. pro spec) and medium format up Munros in Scotland I know which my 60 year old back prefers. I still use the Nikon system for wildlife purely for the large glass but as others have said you use the system which best fits your needs. Some comments refer to the need to have the latest technology but this did not apply to me as I was one of the last to change to digital from film and the purpose of buying into mirrorless was purely for weight/bulk reasons. The system I bought into is capable of producing stunning images and for landscape I would not go back to DSLR. Keep up the great work lads and love all your individual RUclips channels. If you see an old geezer with a dinky camera whilst out come over and say hello.
I have no problem with what anybody uses Nick. If i see someone with a mirrorless camera, an old DSLR , a phone , or me with my 12 year old 4/3s Olympus it matters not. Awesome comment and your requirements for what you need has made your choice for you. Sounds like an awesome set up :)
It comes down to personal choice & what you want to do with it. There will always be a place for the DSLR. If you look at people like Craig Roberts who shots micro-four thirds for magazine articles. He shoots mainly prime lenses & gets the composition right in camera. Now his camera system does reduce weight & size of both camera & lenses. Olympus & Panasonic are doing a 4K photo mode which appeals to many. More people want a camera now to shoot both stills & video which influences the choice. Bridge cameras have their place in good light but not in low light. The EVF has advantages of histogram in front of your eye. The choice is a case of what your going to do with the images. The young upload to social media & nothing else. Camera manufactures are fighting with the phone camera for many of the younger generation and that is not going to change.
So often, I am an opportunist photographer. Meaning, I don’t always know what I am going to shoot. I just know where I plan to go and it is usually a place that is altogether new to me. That being the case, I am carrying my 5D IV and my 16-35mm, 24-70mm, 70-200mm, and 100-400mm. Plus, some filters, batteries, tripod, etc. It’s really a lot of weight. I’ve yet to find a way to truly lighten the load without making compromises / sacrifices. Sometimes I can plan ahead enough to be able to bring only maybe two lenses knowing the focal lengths I expect to shoot and that helps a bit. Otherwise, I’m usually fairly loaded down. It’s the one negative thing that saps some of the enjoyment of getting out to shoot.
Gary - I am with you 100% in regards to the size and weight! I currently own a Canon T3i - it is a good camera but it is so small and lightweight. I have owned a Canon A1 since the early 80's, along with a motor drive - THAT had a great weight and feel - put on the Canon 85mm f/1.2L and you know you are holding something great. I can't wait to move up to full-frame and though I thought about mirrorless, I am going to stay with a DSLR....
Hi Guys good to see you back! I moved to Fuji from Nikon FF 18 months ago and its fine for me for the following reasons. I do a lot of time lapses and stock stuff as well as landscapes also some architectural. Im sore on the bodies because of high usage and for that reason I can renew the two bodies every three to four years for half the price of my D810. Also the Fuji Lenses are very good. The auto focus is still not as good as the dslr. At first I thought as Im getting older (65) and the fuji system would be lighter to carry about but as you say 'not true' there is not much to gain (reduce) especially when you add the weight of the 16-55mm and the 50-140mm. EVF is good for me as my eyesight is crap. Not sure about what Adam was saying about the X Fuji not aimed at the Pro market. Their professional services include the X-T2/3 as qualifying professional products as well as the afore mentioned lenses. Also their support service for pro photographers is excellent unlike Nikon, Canon, and Sony. Part of the problem is the three main manufactures produce full frame systems that are vastly overpriced for the technology and have never really been challenged until now! Pro level dslr's need to come down in price to reflect the tech. Like Adam I'm an old ex cop but I started photography around 1978+ with an Practica MTL3 when it was miniature or small format so I don't understand the Full frame thing that has developed. Xtrans files going through Lightroom with Iridient plugin beats Capture One imho. I did a side by side with big prints of Arran 36X24ish D810 70-200-2.8 and the X-T2 50-140mm 2.8 and believe it or not the Fuji did better and sells more? better clarity detail a nicer image although, it might be due to combination of camera and lens. So I would argue with Adam over that! I still miss my dslr but sense has to prevail when you no longer have the income. I think I covered my 18months with mirrorless (sorry) anyway keep em coming ;-)
Old Grumpy Jim - this is exactly what we asked for in the podcast, thank you. It’s the slow focusing that’s holding me back from changing to ML. Also, I’m not in the market to change yet. My cameras are still awesome. I’ve never been one for chasing technology just for the sake of it either. Cheers again 👍🏻
Gary Gough no probs Garry I’ve just finished doing family kids party up here and the auto focus is a pain it’s still not quite same as my d810 in low light So my son has taken the d810 off me 🤔 just now
Good to have you back, although this conversation about DSLR Vs Mirrorless was a mistake, 3 togs who both use DSLR are never going to have a balanced debate. The comments about ‘professional’ made you seem very amateur! Interestingly when Joe Cornish is not using a Phase One (who is sponsored by), he uses a Sony A7Riii, perhaps that makes him an amateur....Many of your views are also out dated, battery life for instance on the A7Riii matches my D810. Next time, I suggest you have a guest who takes the opposite view or choose a subject you don’t all agree with.
Why is it a mistake? Because we said some things a few people don't agree with. I hope not.....that would be very concerning. Which comments about be professional? We definitely didn't say you cant be professional if you use mirrorless. Having worked a bit with Joe through Light and Land, I'm not sure that's the best example. There's some serious glass in his bag to go with that top end Sony.
outdated ? I hope this article shows that at least some of our comments are upto date though my views on EVF may come across at outdated. Though until OLED comes online i'll still prefer my optical viewfinder :) www.digitalcameraworld.com/features/dslr-vs-mirrorless-cameras-how-do-they-compare :) I think the next episode is one where our views are different. Thanks for the comment Andy. Much appreciated
In answer to your query why I said it was a mistake. IMHO discussing the various pros and cons of a particular camera system, is better had when perspectives from those that use the different systems are included in the discussion/debate, to this end I thought it would had benefited from another contributor other than 3 DSLR users. In reference to professional, without watching back and from memory Gary made reference, possibly in connection with a wedding tog, that turning up with a mirrorless camera would make you look like an amateur or something like that, I can’t quite remember specifically. My reference to Joe still stands, I’m not sure why you mentioning him having some serious glass to go with body has anything to do with it being mirrorless.
Paul G Johnson Sorry, my outdated comment was not made very well, I was specifically meaning around battery life. Battery life of Fuji XT’s is crap, Olympus EM1 Mkii and Sony A7riii is fantastic, no spares required. Early A7’s were extremely poor.
My Fujifilm GFX 50 S has supplanted (mostly, except for some macro/intimate landscape work) my Canon 5ds r. While they're both 50 mp cameras, and both yield excellent images, the dynamic range on the medium format Fuji really makes a difference. Especially when I get to post. So mirrorless, yes. But, I have several Canon products and the Fujifilm can't touch the 10 fps of my 7 D when it's critter-shooting-time. I reckon I choose the camera that is best for mission-specific application. The best photo, ever, for me is the one that gives me the "grins" every time I look at it in print. Even though the best are rare, there are several I consider my best, but to choose only one would be like "killing my babies!" Gary, I understand, having a similar rowdy record as your own, being asked to "please stand in the back." However, is it possible you were asked to go to the back on the occasion you cite, is because you were holding that Hannimax? Glad you guys are back! Thank-You, Mike
Well, I am not a pro but I have taken photos for many years with different cameras and now I am really enjoying the M50. The EVF is fantastic (it could be a little bigger though). I have to say that I have always been an early technology adopter but I have little doubts that mirrorless is the future. Entertaining conversation guys! Keep going!
For landscape work having an EVF is immensely useful for manual focusing and reviewing images for sharpness in the field, particularly in bright conditions. The EVF on the EOS R is good enough to fool you into thinking it's optical in my opinion. I haven't really used the autofocus but I believe it can now focus in stupidly low light. Also mirrorless bodies let you take advantage of more modern next gen lenses with reduced flange distances.
Great comment Paul. I'm hanging fire before i have a go with the new OLED EVF. If i can get my fingers to control the body i may one day jump over to mirrorless :) Not yet though my old DSLR is doing the job .
I use a Nikon D3300 but am looking to get a d7200 beacuse of the ease when bracketing and for the weather seal, otherwise I would keep the D3300 as my primary camera its a brilliant little thing. I shoot mainly landscape, the occasional passing bird and for family days out, I shoot only as a hobby but do print up to A3 and they look fantastic(to me). Rather then spending my small budget on a big camera I spent more on a couple of good lenses and better quality gear such as tri-pod and filters. P.S Glad your Back.
@@GaryGough Fluid on my balls..Plays havoc with focusing sometimes... Well you did ask lol...Love your landscape vlogs Gary. I'm into wildlife. www.alanscott.online Take care
Great chat guys. Really good to see you back. On the subject of mirrorless, they are too small for me I have quite large hands and they are just too small and fiddly for me, the DSLR just feels better in my hand, even the larger Sony cameras don't feel right, so I'll probably stick with my DSLR for the foreseeable future!!
Although I'm not the youngest but by no means old, I agree with Paul, I won't be moving to mirror less because I just don't like the feel of it in my hands, to a public eye they aren't as thought of being professional is the impression I get, with a dslr and a big lens people come up and say that looks expensive gear, but you don't get it so much with mirror less, by no means is it cheap to a non photographer it might
Really like the podcast! It funny I used to own a Canon 6D and I miss that camera so much, just loved the ergonomics and the feel of the camera in the hand. The only problem is it always stayed at home due to the size of the body and the bulky lenses. I now own the Fuji XT-3, and for me it’s a far more advanced camera, and because of its small size I never leave the house with out it. I was a little confused about your comments about the auto focus, it’s far superior to the canon, even in low light.
I can't remember that exact comment about focusing on the XT3. Its focus is perfect for stills. Not for video though. I used it on a couple of commercial video projects and the focus missed on numerous occasions. I resorted to manual focus but it ultimately led to me selling the camera because I had bought it for the incredible video features on paper. The video image quality is incredibly good though, especially on the high bit rate setting.
What the hell time do you call this! You go out and don’t say where you are going, who you are with or when you will be back!!! I’ve worried myself sick ... ;-) For what it’s worth I wore out Canon 10D, 20D and 40D bodies. Bought a Fuji X Pro 1 on release, sold the Canon gear and have stuck with Fuji ever since because I love the simplicity - I’m simple :) Needless to say I have way too much Fuji gear by now :/ Loving my X-T30 and two lenses for hiking/location scouting atm, it’s not a lot lighter but it makes a difference to me. Really glad you are back with the channel/podcast, I find your differing points of view interesting but Gary could do to be a bit less rigid in some of his views - in the nicest possible way of course - cameras really don’t need to be big to portray professionalism but that’s my POV :) Looking forward to the next instalment.
Ha ha it was great to be mentioned in a podcast and not as a stalker!!! Thanks for the answers, I'm sticking with DSLR for the moment. My main reason for thinking of switching was how loud my shutter is on d750 even in silent mode
I bought an EOS R a few months ago and love it (apart from that silly touch bar, give me a wheel canon). The EVFs have really come a long way since the Sony A7 i had for a while. Contrary to the discussion here, i've actually seen quite a few wedding photographers moving to Sony mirrorless for the eye-af functionality, which is really quite brilliant. I chose the EOS-R because it was fairly cheap £1600 and i could adapt my other canon lenses onto it. General take away is that if the new technology is getting more people into photography and helping them become better photographers then that can only be seen as a good thing really.
I think people just like new gear thats why they buy mirrorless, personally im the kind of person who likes my kit to do the job well and bumped into a guy one day on the beach and got chatting and i mentioned i wanted to move to a full frame camera from my 7D to shoot nightscapes and i also mentioned getting a 24-70f4 for landscapes, and he looked at me and said get the canon ef 24-85 f3.5. Now i bought that lens for £54 on ebay and its so sharp and naturally im over the moon, even christopher frost on youtube called it a hidden gem, so if you want fancy new gear thats fine but theres plenty of gear out there that will do the job aswell.
Firstly I'd just like to say just how much I'm enjoying your Podcasts. Like you, I love talking about photography and camera gear and the pros and cons of formats, systems and new technology. My dilemma is that what I want is to be able to get the best possible image quality at a price I can afford. For the last 3 years I've been using the D500 and absolutely love it. But Mr Nikon is shouting in my ear "YOU WANT A Z7!!!" Not instead of the D500, but as well as..... Having seen some of the results coming from the Z6 surely the Z7 must be even better???? If not, then what's point in creating a higher spec camera in the first place ? As Adam said "I don't need it but I want it". Or, do I just say bollards to this and go for broke and buy a Bridge Camera? Only kidding Paul G Johnson 😭🤣😂
I deleted my last comment because I think I came across as too "preachy", and that is not want I ever want to be. I thought about what Gary said today, and it struck me that if he feels the need to have big cameras to look the part of a "pro", because that gives him the confidence he needs to do his job, then that is entirely up to him, and this shouldn't be criticized by anyone. But as you guys have a certain amount of influence, and some of your audience are thinking about turning pro, it would irresponsible to suggest that to be a pro you need big expensive cameras. Gareth covers this nicely below (or is it above). Maybe actually use the latest mirrorless cameras before you compare them to DSLRs, you may be pleasantly surprised!
Thanks for the revised comment Simon Personally i couldn't care less what people use . If they enjoy taking images and get the shot they like then its all good IMO :)
I wouldn't part with my d850 and prime lenses, but I took my z6 to New York with a 50mm f 1.8 and was so inconspicuous and did the job. I do think mirrorless will emerge though.
I just started binge watching you guys yesterday and am really enjoying the content. I have to say though that your trademark video/podcast/video format takes a bit of getting used to.
I think the sheer number of replies here shows how polarising this vlog has been. I dont think some of your collective comments came across well, they seem a bit out of date, a lack of research, knowledge maybe, they are comments of three mates in a pub. The problem is, you're not, you've put yourselves up there to but shot at. And then as admirable as it is attempting to reply to everyone, that just comes across as defensive to me. Paul quoting one article in countless replies when a quick Google will find compelling arguments for both sides doesnt sit well either. Ask for comments, gather collective thoughts and address in the next one? This is probably the learning process of a new format, im sure the three of you have evolved hugely on your own channels, this feels to me like pro photographers doing an amateur vlog. Dont get me wrong, I've watched all of them and am doing so hoping to learn from people whose work I admire and respect. This particular one just didn't sit right though.
Thanks, really appreciate your views. I think the point of this whole endeavour is for it to be like three mates chatting in a pub.....at least for the time being. The low production value of the video is all part of that, with the good audio reflecting that it is designed to be a podcast. Obviously we invited comments and welcome them. In the same vain though, if you comment you're putting yourself out there. If that comment becomes personal, aggressive or abusive (especially over an opinion about a chunk of metal and plastic) then are we expected to stay silent? (rhetorical question) In terms of replying to comments. Its unlikely collective replies will work. I'd be more inclined to not engage in the comments at all. This is a side project that we have created and will keep doing it as long people enjoy it. If we're creating conversation, I think that is great!!! Like any RUclips channel this costs significant time and money to create. There is little to no prospect of this ever making us anymore than beer money so it's important that we continue to enjoy it too. As someone who has reviewed a few Fujifilm cameras, I am pretty used to the level of passion about camera gear. The wave of hostility can be pretty shocking at first though, especially when you're just trying to entertain people with a fun chat about cameras on the way to work. Thanks again for your levelled and thoughtful comment. Hope you stick with us for the next one.
Good to see you back Gents..re DSLR/mirrorless..I'm 50/50 wildlife/landscapes and I could easily change to top end Sony for landscapes as realistically when tripod/composition/control all in play it's all about "what feels right to me re handling and usability" (personally I still prefer the feel of DSLR but technically no difference) and output differences between say an A7RIII vs D850 vs DMkIV etc are minimal. BUT for wildlife, apart from the "all gear no idea" brigade who shoot 9-5 in reserve hides etc (who would do well with Paul's bridge camera idea0), the big differences are when at the extremes..a lot of my (and others) wildlife is shot in low light/appalling weather/remote locations so high iso quality/weather sealing/huge battery life are vital and mirrorless loses on all those counts for now...BUT SONY A9 is getting quite close (20 fps, focusing excellent, good viewfinder etc) and I've used one but they have minimal range of lenses in the 200-600 range (and batteries in cold weather still pants !) but I suspect the A10/11 may be serious game changers......I do a bit of 1-2-1 tuition and most new photogs want a general purpose camera that does most things and I agree with you guys, I say get a used 5D MkII or a newD5600/used D700 for say £400-600 and buy one decent lens to start..the difference between a good 24-70 and the usual kit lens is massive .....its all just gear and use what suits your needs but every hobby as the "I know best" brigade...I went to a RPS sponsored talk a few days back and some of the chats in the breaks I overheard made me cringe !!
Me? Balanced? Thats a worrying sign !! Seemed a very sensible chinwag between mates tbh though please don't let Gary release a "My Favourite Wedding Dance Moves" vlog as we all have tipping points..
The only part that is professional is the person stood behind the camera. Sure the various camera companies will attempt to market certain cameras as professional but that is just hype to get buyers to part with money. Lenses make massive differences, bodies not so much.
Very enjoyable video, my fear with mirrorless cameras is that manufacturers well deliberately run down the range of DSLR models in order to force photographers to buy a whole set of new lenses and bodies to go with with them. Canon did the same thing with the FD lenses when they changed to the eos system and I think that we might be forced to move to mirrorless in a few years.
Thanks Simon . There is a lot of flux in the camera market in general at the minute. The cards will fall in one way soon and then its time to make decisions. I feel that Nikon and Canon will ensure their mirrorless bodies will allow old lenses to be used. At least i hope so :)
Hi guys, great podcast but a lot of misinformation about mirrorless. It's funny I follow each of you separately and just discovered you guys together on this podcast.
Nice one guys :-D I've always shot Mirrorless, after realising that I'd reached the maximum out of my old compact Olympus. Starting with a Canon 450D then moving to a canon M3 as I was also hiking more and smaller was easier to carry. I wanted to go full frame at some point and the M3 although a great landscape camera its autofocus is slow and I wanted to grab wildlife and action shots again. Having smashed my M3 I took the opportunity to replace it with the EOS R which I do really like and I can still use my old lenses. I also got my M3 repaired so I can take it on dog walks (just in case! lol ) and as a backup camera. My favourite shot is of the Roaches End farm on a snowy evening. 2 Photographers with full gear and lenses, and me with my M3 and a shower cap. Guess who got the shot? :-) lol.
Omg listening this sounded to like all you guys are 70 years old. Mirrorless is the future and to recommend some one new invest in old technology is silly. I think you guys need to look at the cameras and reviews of today.. If this podcast had no date I could close my eyes a think this is a conversation from 3 years ago. When you shoot a wedding do you pull out your camera and ask is this big enough /good enough for you? I'm sure they look at your images and that sells them. Keep up the good podcast guys I enjoy it listening to everyone's point of view. Cheers
I would not be a pro photographer even if they paid me! (joke) There was some interesting stuff on here. Do these guys enjoy what they are doing, I just wonder how many people have been sucked in by changing to a m/less and then discovering what they already had was better. What about the queues of photographers waiting to take the same pictures. No thanks...
another good episode , although i do think to suggest that anyone may not be considered to look professional due to the size of there camera, no matter what genre, is something of an archaic view. Im a big fan of mirror less cameras. I shoot APSC and there is a clear weight and size advantage over the bigger APSC brothers. As has been shown in countless Vlog you can still print very good images upto A2 A3 . I find the WYSIWYG a big advantage of the EVF's and personally now i would not go back to an OVF.
Thanks Anthony. Appreciate the response without the level of aggression that some people have come at us with. I didn't take what Gary said in that way or I would have disagreed with him. My experience is that 99% of people have no idea what the difference is between DSLR and Mirrorless. A wedding is one of the few places people will ever come across a professional photographer and they do still assume you need a big camera, incorrectly of course. Its obviously down to the individual photographer what they shoot with but looking like a pro on the day is important when people have paid thousands of pounds for your services. If Gary feels more comfortable with a bigger camera in that regard then it's a valid opinion. Personally I need a bigger camera to fit in my hand. If there was mirrorless with a bigger hand grip I'd be fine. I couldn't use the xt3 though. The strap notch digs into my finger and would become really uncomfortable in the hand all day. I also prefer full frame in a wedding setting for the better low light ability and also the more shallow depth of field.
@@PhotoNerds In my personal experience I have found I gained more confidence since shooting the mirrorless system. I felt when shooting in crowded places such as local events with a big DSLR that I "stood out" . When shooting with the smaller body its almost like people take little notice of me even though i might be one of the few people there with a tripod and filters . In fact since shooting the smaller bodies ive found people come over and chat and engage which never happened when I shot DSLR's. I appreciate this may have far more to do with my own confidence levels. Im not sure i can agree with you on the wedding example, with such a large amount of photographers (amateurs or pros) shooting mirroless could it not also be the case that when attending weddings other people could be inspired by the fact there is a pro shooting with a mirroless body. But if we take your example a little further when trying to win the business surely the first thing you show your client is your portfolio of work that is what they will hire you on not if you use a Canon 5dMKv or Sony A7iii ? However i fully agree with you that the mirrorless body doesn't suit everyone and what they use to take their pictures is free choice and no one , should feel pressured to use a certain type of camera what ever genre they enjoy be it landscape or a wedding.
Yeah absolutely agree. That's what we tried to say at the end I think.....there's a camera out there for everyone. I agree also the portfolio of work is much more important. A lot of the time it's not the key to winning a wedding job though......good pictures should be a given so are not a USP. That comes down to amongst other things personality, sales techniques, closing ability, making the client feel comfortable, showing confidence so they are confident in you etc. The inconspicuous nature of mirrorless cameras is great. I often leave my DSLR at home for this reason, especially if i'm on a family day out with the kids. The Canon 5D Mk IV is difficult not to see. Mirrorless are perfect for street photography too.
Great video, but I think it would have been more interesting if you had someone at the table who does shoot mirrorless, to but there argument across....
I'm 49 years old and I feel 20 years old with these outdated ideas and lack of knowledge about the mirrorless system you guys have. Just a example James Popsys is one of the best landscape photographers on youtube and it's lightened up his gear by 60% going to Panasonic. World famous bird photographer was able to keep from retiring because of shoulder and back issues switching to Olympus.
DSLR's are mirrorless in "mirror up" mode which all landscape photographers should be shooting regardless for ultra sharpness, and eliminating the sensor been exposed to dust every time you change lenses as in all mirrorless cameras. Needless to say, there are rumors the Nikon D6 to be released later this year might just be the first hybrid camera, combining the best of both worlds, having an EVF and a mirror, a 24 megapixel back illuminated sensor with an endless buffer designed for sports/action. No this will not be a landscape camera BUT what will follow in my opinion is not a switch to mirrorless, which is neither cheaper, smaller or lighter as an eco-system but a hybrid system which I believe will deliver a fatal blow to the mirrorless world. Having the hybrid option will allow greater flexibility to create while still maintaining Nikon's F-mount system permitting high end glass and super long primes to exist as always. Nikon has this paten, and when it's in production we will soon see a high megapixel, full-frame monster, that will devour even their own flagship D850. If all this is true, my deepest commiserations to all its competitors. Greg
Very true buddy. y thoughts exactly. Thats why i won't consider jumping any time soon. Things are in a state of flux and who knows what will be offered in future.
Can't find anything wrong with my Fuji system. Xt3 is way beyond many dslrs and the glass that will tell other stories all over and above many other cameras
great discussion about mirrorless v DSLR's... sadly your knowledge on where its up to in technology etc is a little off... there are pro's shooting mirrorless , the Sony mirrorless system is off the charts better than it was a few years back .. the Sony a9 is probably the best camera ever manufactured to date (2019) & with its recent firmware updates will compete with your Canon 5dMk IV , IDX or Nikon D850's If your a portrait or wedding/event photographer the Auto focus capabilities are excellent in low light/back light.. & the eye AF technology is game changing with quick fast focus & perfect eye focus everytime . for sports photography the new inteligent tracking is far superior to what any DSLR can do & combined with for example Sony's new 400mm Lens is again game changing for fast sports . I know a pro sports photographer who shoots Sony & he often will get the picture when his fellow DSLR photographers missed the shot with the tracking AF acuracy & also using the 20 frames a second shooting with ZERO blackout in his EVF.. . Getty have there own photographers at most sporting events all still shooting DSLRs yet this Sony photographer often sells his images to them because he got the shot & they didnt... DSLR's will go on just like people still shoot fiim...but Mirrorless is the future , with Artificial Intelegence (AI) is where it will be at I guess... try the Sony a9 & I think your view on mirrorless may change a little...
The future yes , maybe , or something else . This article encompasses my thoughts in a nutshell :) www.digitalcameraworld.com/features/dslr-vs-mirrorless-cameras-how-do-they-compare
sorry but the guy writing the article is obviously a DSLR (to i die) shooter... as his opinions & his facts are way off too... at the end of the day we all use what camera we want to & will all get great images .. you guys (all 3 of you) photography is amazing & it will be whether you shot with a film camera a DSLR or a mirrorless camera.. & I will continue to enjoy your great work along with the humour that goes with it...@@PaulGJohnsonphotography
You seem to have little understanding that goal posts in wildlife photography have moved on. Much is about the correct pose, so if you photograph a puffin coming in from the sea with the catch in his beak - well you better shoot a series so that you get the one shot out of maybe the 1000 where all elements fit.
Well that's good. I'm not a pro and don't plan to be, so this means I can go get the newest technology and benefit from it. Thank god I'm not a pro and have to be stuck in my ways.
@@PhotoNerds read all the other comments, lots saying the same thing. You slated and dismissed new technology that is coming through and stated that it makes you look unprofessional. Bad idea for a topic to discuss if you aren't up to date with all the tech. As for kit being on the desk, I don't watch the vlogs, I listen on Spotify but can't leave a comment so I came here instead. The other episodes were good, this one made me want to stop listening and seeing reviews on some Facebook groups, a lot didn't even listen to the end.
Regarding EVF, have you tried any from the last few generations? I agree it's still not the same as optical, but they're near enough as doesn't matter.
WOW Guys is that the best you can do with the argument DSLR or Mirrorless ? If it wasn't for Adam the discussion would have been so outdated it was ridiculous. Gary needs a big one because he is a PRO! and Paul tried a old Sony a few years ago and didn't like it? I like your individual RUclips channels and watch them every week ( except for Paul of course ), but this Photo Nerds is not working for me. You kept comparing your DSLR's to the FujiFilm XT3 - The FujiFilm XT3 is a great camera by all accounts, but it is a APS-C sensor not Full Frame so there will be a difference in performance. Why did Paul not try the Nikon Z7 before he bought the D850? It has great reviews and is ruffly the same price with an adaptor so he could use his Nikon lenses on it. At least Adam has tried a few different mirrorless cameras and said if Canon bring out a better version of their EOS R camera he would consider it. If you are going to debate subjects such as equipment, please arm yourself with facts not hearsay.
www.digitalcameraworld.com/features/dslr-vs-mirrorless-cameras-how-do-they-compare Upto date review seems to point to the issues we mentioned. I mentioned i had a mirrorless camera years ago. Before buying the 850 i considered switching to mirrorless and physically held them . Personally i preferred the 850. Only a personal choice.
larger camera = more professional looking? I don't use Leica, but I would never regard a Leica photographer as a amateur based on the size of the gear.
I spend a lot of time disagreeing with Gary, but to be fair.......there is a lot of non-photographers that do believe that. We know that's not the case but so much of wedding photography is about presentation before/during and after the day rather than just great pictures. As a professional photographer, like any profession, how you come across matters. If Gary feels a bigger camera adds to all that, it's a very valid opinion.
C'mon guys ..... mirrors are old technology and larger mounts, better quality lenses and mirrorless is here to stay. The current Lumix S series and Leica SL have EVF's which are indistinguishable from optical viewfinders...... and most in the future will be similar. Plus you get good video if you need it as well. DSLR is dead.
DSLR will never die but in the future mirrorless may well be king. As you say the new OLED EVF systems are awesome but not out yet on any body i can afford. i love this article as it says, possibly more succinctly what we were saying on video :) www.digitalcameraworld.com/features/dslr-vs-mirrorless-cameras-how-do-they-compare Love your comment though
Sorry guys, 6 minutes in, thumbs down. New names for you Tyrannosaurus, Stegosaurus & Spinosaurus ! Three Saurus' because frankly I think you were talking through them ! New name for you, The Three Dinosaurs ! Soon to become extinct ! Canon & Nikon thought like you, left Sony & Fuji etc to it, then when they realised that Sony were outselling Nikon for full frame cameras, they soon changed there minds, now they are producing mirrorless, DSLR is going with the dinosaurs & so will you if you don't jump on the bandwagon soon !
Please get Craig from e6 vlogs on. He is a Mft shooter and mainly does landscape with fantastic results. He's also got good humour so would make a good guest and it provides a good contrast with the Mft
saying that a smaller camera is less professional is utter bollocks.
Aaron O'Brien - think you have misunderstood what I was saying Aaron. Nice to see to putting your point across so eloquently though. For the record, none of us actually slated mirrorless cameras. We just said that none of us were in a position to change yet.
Ermmmm.. where to start.. firstly hi Gary pro fuji shooter here.. thought you knew that haha.. small camera not pro????? hmmmm thanks mate haha - ive seen pro video dudes filming with samsung phones on a gimbal!! and ive seen it a lot!
So my take on mirrorless cameras (i own xt3 xpro2 x100f m50 and sony a7iii)
WEDDINGS:
EVF!!!! thats enough for me anyway but theres more!
focus peaking! GAME CHANGER!
Shoot BW in the EVF with actual exposures in real time! as much as i adored my DSLR's (canon) id never be without this!
Focusing.. seriously??? who said that?? they must have been using a slow old lens! The Sony is better than the fuji but seriously!!? i wouldn't hesitate to shoot my sports events with either.. xt3 and a7iii are insane focusing cameras.. ive shot lots of sporting events with both.. my canons were no where near as good at focusing.. but i know the d500 and d850 are great
Eye AF!!! just incredible!! especially on the Sony! (i hate the ergo of the sony but this is a nuts feature)
Size & weight (fuji cropped sensor lenses) the fuji system i shoot for street and weddings is tiny! i shoot two bodies two primes! with the x100f round my shoulder at all times so i always have a 35mm f2!
In evf histogram! prob my favourite mirrorless feature! i never over expose and so all of my shots are usable.. even going from dark to light environments i can adjust through the evf so can keep an eye on the event and not miss a shot! no need to chimp! EVER!
Batteries.. i have 5 and they cover me any event all day easy.. normally use 3.. Sony id use 1!! that battery is DSLR like!!
EVF quality!! The xt3 even in low light is fantastic! better in fact than a dslr as it simulates exposure so you can actually see in the dark! not just a TTL view.. but i love my xpro2 for its hybrid EVF/OVF for very low light shooting :-)
Silent shooting - this is the reason i went mirrorless, i shoot piano concerts and film too.. my canon shutter was always picked up in the audio of the piano.. plus it was hugely distracting walking around the venue, disturbing the guests.. Same goes for a wedding - no super loud thumps during the ceremony! unless i use the sSony lol..
Electronic shutter.. (completely silent) i often run into problems with this.. My xt3 and x100f is silent without this thankfully so i dont use it.. bad lighting and your images are often banded.
Joy to use! - i adore the fuji system to use the ergo and tactile design is amazing i can see the settings all the time with the camera off and change aperture super fast on the lens
LANDSCAPES:
DR is amazing as is on any sensor these days dslr or mirrorless ( bracket if needs be)
Image quality.. my xt3 is def as good as my full frame canon was.. the fuji lenses are faultless.
Crop v full frame! i choose crop for the added dof.. iso is good enough for my astro shots at 6400
IBIS - some produce sharp images at 3 sec exp hand held!! not my way of shooting but wow! impressive.. not sure a DSLR does that?
Histogram! not on all dslr's even new ones! im shocked this isnt in the ovf yet!
Focus peaking!!!!!! epic!! i love it especially for night and astro shooting!! low light focusing is easier on my mirrorless than on my mates D750.. not sure about the 850.. does that have peaking?
long exposures in camera.. not sure this is a mirrorless thing or not but i can do 15 min exps in camera.. 30 secs on any DSLR ive seen.. again new ones might have this..
Smaller lenses.. Adam mentioned the 16-55 - he's right is a beast! EPIC but big and heavy - the 18-55 (2.8-F4) isnt its amazing too! plus the 55-200 and theres a huge weight and size saving there compared to respective full frame cameras (you dont need 2.8 for ls) primes are tiny too! samyang 12mm f2! epic lens.. dam cheap and sooooo small!! - i love this for hiking and camping! Manual focus but with focus peaking its a doddle..
Reliability wise - im shocked to hear Adams 50r didnt handle the cold! ive not heard of this before!! ill admit its always been a concern with the mirrorless cameras ive had.. ive lost a few to 'splashes' knowing my canon 5d's would have laughed it off.. i certainly doubt the durability of my Sony! that feels crap and no way id trust that in a cold demanding environment ( even the a7riii) tho Tony Northrup did a freeze test and it survived!) the cold kills batteries and even more so the mirrorless ones! DSLR still has the edge there i think.. so a trip to Greenland might come with a hire of a d850 lol..
Sorry for the long reply! hope i didnt miss anything.. to conclude its horses for courses.. if i shot 100% LS's and no weddings and concerts id be a D850 guy!! i adore it.. but its what you get used to.. you may know i had a bad reliability issue with a few of my Fuji cameras, i never had that for 10 years with the canon system.. tho the XT3 is faultless so far.. i wouldn't shoot events with a dslr now.. there are too many benefits of mirrorless for my way of shooting! but no... NO NO NO DSLR is far from dead!
Great episode guys - sorry if i went on haha
I know you're a Pro Fuji shooter Gareth 😁 But I can also remember us having a conversation a couple of weeks ago about your video. If you remember, it's the video where you moaned because the focus system on your Fuji sucked. Also, I remember you moaning at the terrible battery life! I think you further mentioned having to get one of them repaired too? I'm not 100% sure on the later one though 😊 Wasn't the video you made comparing the Fuji against the Sony? I do like both of those cameras btw, They're just for not me
Great comment Gareth. It is that exactly. Horse for courses. :)
@@GaryGough Battery life on my D7200 is awesome. Shoot runners, not literally, and I've never had to change a battery. Even after a few thousand shots.
Hi, I am new photography and these podcasts are excellent. Listened to 6 of the yesterday whilst decorating. Gareth I watch your channel and that's great too. I am new to photography and I have limited experiences with DSLRs but I think Gareth raises some excellent points. I have a Lumix g80 and bought it primarily because of the weight. Yes the body is not significantly lighter but add up the additional weight with a few lenses and your potentially talking pounds difference. As for battery life if it's in economy mode itll just like kick in when I bring it to my eye and last for ages.
Keep the good work and think it's great you guys give so much of your time to your channel. I work away from and it's proved a lifesaver, it's like being part of a community. Cheers
@@wallywo7392 Thanks buddy :)
Good to see you all back. However the statement about a big camera making you look half way professional made me cringe. There are many award winning highly sought after pros who use compact systems such as the Fuji XT-2 or XT-3 or APS-C systems in general for instance.
I think Gary was talking about at weddings on that point, not landscapes.
I've certainly never heard of a wedding photographer using a fuji x series. I do think it's possible though.
He does. They pay him to though.
Yeah fair play. Whatever works for people. I personally don't think people would think less of a photographer using an XT3......99% people either don't care or don't notice.
@@PhotoNerds There are loads of wedding photographers even within the UK, who are using Fuji X series cameras, and some have RUclips channels. Go and check out Kevin Mullins, for example.
I think youve taken it the wrong way. They ere speaking from an image standpoint. Most people will assume a professional photographer will turn up with a big camera and lens system. Its "looks" professional. Obvioukly as photographers we know you could turn up with a X-T2 and take amazing sharp images but non-photographers expect big systems.
Guys, my first dip into your podcast - nice work. My reason for staying with DSLR is that it would cost me a small fortune to change system and as a hobbyist, I cannot justify that to myself, never mind my other half. Someone said I could use my current lenses with an adapter but the key benefit of the bigger mount is to get better bigger glass in front of it. If/when the D600 dies, I might look at the Z6 or whatever it is by then but by then D850s should be going for a song (he says in hope). I think BVS nailed it when he said the time to change is when your current camera is stopping you doing something you want to do, or when you just want to burn some cash, because you can. Looking forward to doing some catch up with your podcasts on the way to Assynt, with old DSLR, in 2 weeks time.
Good chat guys, listened to this on the way home in the car. It does make me chuckle though how there is a lot of conversation about mirrorless as being new, I bought my first MILC back in 2008, the Panasonic G1, to complement my 5D. Cameras are tools so I don’t see an issue having more than one if it helps. Re quality, well I started in film so I’m use to working within limitations, though these days that is less of an issue. The key with M43rds MILCs is the huge weight saving of the lenses, I can get from 24mm to 200mm in 560g with a professional build lens. Add in a few more and the saving goes up. Conversely if I want architectural detail I use a Sony A7R3 and Canon Tilt and Shift lenses. Ironically if I want to go really light it’s not the M43rds I use but the Sony A7R3 with a pancake 35 f2.8. Everything is just a compromise and the right tool for the job. This wouldn’t work for me with action shots as it’s more difficult to have muscle memory using more than one system, even if you do set them up similarly. Maybe a discussion topic for a show “owning multiple systems”. I’m totally mirrorless now and couldn’t go back, hated getting dust in the view finder or focus screen and those right angled magnified viewfinders were awful to use with glasses.
Excellent show as usual but I think a lot of your comments about mirrorless are years out of date. The current Sony models have excellent battery life and and focus systems and although their menu system can be a quirky at first, the menu and controls are easily customisable to suit your type of photography. I switched from a canon 7D to a Sony A6000 and now use a Sony A7R3 which I find excellent for landscape photography.
Fair comment. I have had a play with the latest sony and still found buttons etc fiddly. However i have short stubby fingers :) This an upto date review which i think says everything we mention www.digitalcameraworld.com/features/dslr-vs-mirrorless-cameras-how-do-they-compare
I would second the comment a lot of your comments on mirrorless are out of date. Couldn't understand the viewfinder comment and that you couldn't look through to see your composition, maybe you had the lense cap on when you were looking through the mirrorless viewfinder. The comment for Sony batteries is 3 years old and most non sony too, yeh if you are going to compare at least compare with the current technology not stuff 3-5 yrs old. So many of the comments just way out of date, it is very obvious most of you have never used a mirrorless made in the last year. Interesting chat but so many false facts, yeh the big camera comment not making you look professional was ridiculous! lol Then I heard the Nikon bridge camera was pin sharp fully zoomed in, wow total rubbish, you guys need to do your research better, otherwise you are just spreading rubbish to beginners.
been an amateur for 25 years. currently own d850 d500 and a shelf of lenses. last fall i picked up a xt3 for a paid job...My first an outdoor music festival that wanted a mix of photos and video for promos. free food beer and enough money to cover the fuji kit with 4 lenses. Off i went with a d850 24/70 and the xt3 50-140 on a black rapid strap. I have shot the nikon 4 times since last fall. the iq of the xt3 sits squarly between the d850 and 500. The x-t3 just asks to be taken along on a car ride like a loyal dog. I cant explain it but the nikons will be sold to add a gfx 50s
Good to see you back guys and enjoyed the debate this week. In terms of the segment about Paul's vlog on Skye. Think that was one of the first ones I watched from Paul and that intro certainly made the hairs on the back of the neck stand up
Brilliant guys. Just brilliant. Been waiting weeks for this and it has been worth the wait. In terms of missed shots, I gave had a number of moments where I have been driving and an amazing sunrise/sunset has erupted and there is little you can do but admire as you are at on A1 or M1.
Lol..imagine the rozzers pulling up whilst you're setting your tripod up on the hard shoulder......'sorry, is this not ok officer?'
@@PhotoNerds lol yes that thought ran through my head several times. There was another occasion (several actually) when I worked at RAF Lakenheath. The office was directly on the flight path at the end of the runway and numerous F15s blasting overhead (about 50ft overhead) no doubt on their way to Mach Loop. Unfortunately no cameras allowed but i was tempted. My gear was in the boot.
JohnT23174 happens almost every day lol 😂
Not much weight difference ? my 5D3 (no lens) weighs 1110grams (39 oz) my A7III (no lens) weighs 689grams (24oz) that works out to be 60% lighter ! So that's Ballax too.
Agree, the weight difference is vast, size difference is also significant
I got fed up with carrying a bag full of lenses about, especially when at the Zoo when it was a lens change every few minutes, so I sold all of my Cannon gear and bought a Sony RX10iv. I am very impressed with it. It does so much, and the picture quality is very nice. But you guys are right there is a snobbery, and Bridge camera owners are looked down upon. I also have just bought the Huawei P30, my what a great camera it is. 40 MP, it will shoot wide angle, and also has 30X zoom. It will take super macro. Its really good, and I will always have a reasonable camera with me all the time now. It's nice to see you back on air lads, I have missed you guys.
The bridge cameras are awesome. Combined with the p30 , you can't go wrong :)
@@PaulGJohnsonphotography how nice to hear from you Paul. Hope all is well with you and yours.
Dslr or mirrorless, i use an Olympus omd10 mk3 c/w 2 kit lenses. I can get great shots from it and it suits me for more then just the usual reasons you talked about, i have osteoporosis (brittle bones) and osteoarthritis. On a long day even the lightness of my camera becomes heavy and tiring. Years ago i sold mobile phones and people would ask me what mobile phone should they buy, i would tell them if you need an all singing all dancing one then spend your money but if all you need is a phone that makes calls then get one of the basics. Its the same with cameras, if you're a pro you'll need the best you can afford, if you just want to take photos there's plenty of affordable makes out there. Dslr or mirrorless.... get what suits you.
i moved over to the Fujifilm xt2 from Canon over 2 years ago now and have never looked back. i used the 5dmk11 and the 5d mk111 for many a year and can honestly say the xt2 takes pictures just as good. I used to go out regularly shooting landscapes with the 5dmk 3 and 3 lenses 70-200, 16-35, 24-70 and now i use xt2 and the 10-24, 55-200, and a couple of primes and the weights halved, and find the fuji focuses just as quick.
John Fox - there is no better feedback than from an actual user. Cheers for that John 👍🏻
I had the exact canon cameras and switched to the xt2 also. My Canon 5d mk3 froze a number of times, had to remove battery for 15 mins which ruined my trust which is a struggle to get back.
Plus I had focus issues with my sigma art lens and canon 16-35l which made each job a tireless checking exercise which was frustrating.
I know its always a subjective experience that sways things and that won't be everyone's but once I used an xt2 with the 35mm f2 fuji lens alongside my ageing Canon I had to switch.
Everything worked seamlessly on the fuji, focus was sharp and consistent every time and never had any issues. Add in silent shooting, weight, functionality plus the amazing firmware support which Fuji offers (they added 4k shooting to the X-Pro2 in firmware) and it really feels like no contest.
I'm often shooting professionally, constantly for 8 hours in events and street at a time and with battery grip I never have to change it up so battery life is no issue either.
Just my limited thoughts
I wrote an article about this you may find interesting
medium.com/self-help-photography/things-we-lose-in-the-process-the-tale-of-the-techno-love-rat-111f96c361c0
Hi guys. I would be interested in hearing a debate on ‘the photographer’s eye’. That elusive X factor that turns a photograph into a work of art. Just like an episode of X factor talent show where there are people who truly believe with all their heart they can sing but sound dreadful and those that sing so beautifully it brings you to tears. Same for photography. A photographer may take an image and call it art...they think it might be, their followers say its great, but is it? What makes it art? If, say, I went round the coast of Britain and photographed 1 pebble from every beach, then staged an exhibition. Is that art? How can you measure your success? Can you really learn to make images that move people or is it only those born with the ability in their soul, ie with ‘the eye’ that truly can. Might be an interesting debate.
Lol. Great idea. Both for the podcast and 'Beach Pebbles'. I was in Waterstones today and some of the photography books had a much less interesting theme than that.
Nice to see you back. I think you'll get a lot of feedback on the mirrorless/DSLR issue! I think we tend to like the gear we've invested in, and people do get hot under the collar when someone seems to be dissing their stuff! - which you weren't. Nonetheless, as DSLR shooters that may have coloured the view you take; I shoot Fuji and I'm sure it colours mine. Light and very intuitive to use it suits me, and it produces superb images that can be printed quite large and still at high quality. It's not just an all rounder for the enthusiast, either. Several pros I know of use it in landscape - Andy Mumford would be a good example. Yes, glass produces weight even with the Fuji, but if I'm going up the Dolomites with a camera I find that I can take a lighter ( though still sturdy) tripod etc plus a wide angle ( 10-24) and long lens ( 55-200) that doesn't break my back. However, there is a huge subjective element in assessing the quality of gear. As we've all said before, gear isn't the crucial thing - it's whether what you've got is fit for your purposes.
Great comment.
Just want to say I'm enjoying the shows. I've watched/listened to every episode today, while going through my photos and editing. Thanks for taking the time to record the show! :)
Thanks Craig
Welcome back guys, enjoy the banter
Trevor Lloyd - Cheers Trevor 👍🏻
Enjoy the podcasts and the format which, as it gets some discussion going rather than the usual single person view, is refreshing and raises the occasional question. Regards the DSLR vs Mirrorless, as other have said the argument is a bit one sided, but how long is a piece of string. Photography is my hobby and i went from a Canon 60D to an M5 over a year ago. I liked the 60D for the odd sports event but when it mattered (e.g. family events, day trips etc) it sat in a bag at home because a) it was too large to be portable and b) it was overkill. I now have a camera and lens system which is half the size and possibly weight of my 60D with better IQ and Dynamic Range, which goes everywhere with me. This has meant that i now get out more often and actually enjoy photography again. It has it's drawbacks of course such as AF not being up to that of the 60D, smaller grip and button layout not being conducive to BBF, but the benefits far out weigh the negatives. Also, i get your point about the larger cameras and Pro Photographers. i think it's just something we have become accustomed too. I f i saw a photographer with a larger camera and lens i would be more likely to assume they were the professional and give them more space at a wedding or event to do there job.
Just another point, i watched Adam's vlog re landscape with a smartphone. He pointed out that it was liberating and was very happy with images taken on the iPhone although depth of field, ability to change Aperture, noise and some other issues were highlighted. It seemed to be more positive than this podcast which is surprising given that something like the M50 + 11-22mm lens isn't much bigger, just as portable (i would argue) when hiking and will produce IQ and Dynamic range equalling that of canons high end crop DSLRs. Also, i'm not an iphone person, but i would be surprised if it were available for the equivalent price of the M50.
Perhaps for a future Podcast each of you can get your hands on recent Mirrorless Cameras and do a proper comparison vs your DSLRs. I would like to see this, warts and all.
I am a APS-C camera user. I see no need for Full Frame camera. I shoot street. The camera, and you, have to be quick to get a street photo. My Nikon D5600 was and still is quick. My problem was Nikon never has released any wide angle primes for their DX bodies. That means Zooms. And zooms can be heavy and lopsided. I ended up with a Sigma 17mm-50mm f2.8 zoom and after a short time using it I just couldn't carry the D5600 and the Sigma zooms for any length of time. So I went over to the dark side and purchased a used Fujifilm XPro-1 for $600 and a new Fujifilm 27mm f2.8 that has been discounted to $300. I now have the xPro-2 and 4 primes lense for the camera. They are lighter than the D5600 because the primes are lighter any zoom. Especially the 27mm lens. I really like the field of view of the 27mm and it's light enough that I can carry the XPro-2 w/27mm all day. It focuses just fine. Including when I have to get photos in quick succession.
So glad your back , great podcast again keep them coming. The format is spot on the passion,knowledge comes shining through as you say it’s 3 mates having a chat. Yes I knew Adam was going to choose “that” picture. I am going to Skye in June and haven’t done the fairy pools.
Keep it up guys😃
Thanks buddy.
My upgrade to mirrorless thus far has been a fantastic experience, like Paul i am a Nikon shooter. My first dslr was a D3300 which i decided to keep as a backup and the fact that it was only worth $75. The reason for my upgrade was QUALITY, my only other consideration that was in the same price range was the D750, which i rented to see if i liked it and i did. However besides the battery life I greatly prefer my Z6. It has many more capabilities than the D750 and im glad i went with it. If you are wanting to look into a new system or are curios just rent it and see what its about, you'll know in 1 day if it's a right fit. For me it was just time and i would recommend to anyone who is looking at upgrading to have a go with it.
An enjoyable conversation, I listen when in the garden then comment on RUclips. I being quite clumsy bracket rather than having grads, thought that could be a subject for a conversation. thanks for sharing.
Cheers Peter.
Nice chat lads 👍🏻
although I know this video is about a year old, I’ll still make the comment in case you gents happen to read it. I do have a DSLR and a mirrorless. I prefer the latter, and the reason is not weight. It’s just because of the EVF and when i focus I can also see the histogram and shoot... Rather than switching to the live view, measure, and then focus again. And I also find easier to focus on the mirrorless. I have to confess that for a portrait photoshoot I prefer the Nikon; but the GFX is really good for everything that does not require a hurry.
I'm really enjoying this format. 3 mates chatting about photography. We all do it, but great to see what some of my favourite youtube photographers think on certain subjects too.
On the DSLR Vs Mirrorless topic, I use both. Canon 7D and Panasonic GX80. I use the GX80 all the time because of it's size and weight but if i was going out to specifically take landscapes, i would take the 7D. Not that I think it is better, but rather I just prefer using it. It's purely personal preference.
Good to see you guys back and look forward to more. 👍
Thanks Dave . The reason why i like my camera. I enjoy using it. I'm sure someone with their camera feels the same.
Welcome Back! :)
I really enjoyed Paul's Old Man of Storr and Adam's seaside sunset vlogs because of the obvious emotional impact they were having.
Because of the challenges in taking them, I've got a couple of favorite wildlife images that are really a bit rubbish by modern standards.
TimberGeek - nothing like being left out ey 😁😁
@@GaryGough It's my usual position ;-)
Thanks buddy
I’ve just found this pod cast and I’m enjoying working my
way through the back catalogue but would like to comment on a couple of points
in this episode.
The mirror vs mirror less debate is all but over, the days
of the mirror are numbered and mirror less is the way camera technology is going. Like all technology it can be developed and
once the EVF matches the performance of the optical viewfinder on-one will care;
in practical terms, once you take out physical mechanics of the mirror and pentaprism
you’ve a lot of space to play with and can concentrate on developing the software
and what the camera can do with the light it captures.
I’d be surprised if Nikon and Canon announce any new high
end DSLRs, with the Olympics in Japan next year I think we’ll see both the big
companies releasing high end mirror less bodies to take advantage of the new
lenses they’ve released in the EF-R and Z series.
On the subject of Skye, all we ever see is a handful of
honeypot places like Sligachan, Storr, Fairypools and Point of Neist but there
are loads of other places; they’re just difficult to find and require an investment
in time and effort to get to.
Great topic which I can see has opened up a lot of comments
It's all personal choice
Find what works best for you and you alone, weather it be a DSLR or a mirror less system
As long as you are happy with what you have that's all that matters, imo.
Scott Hughes Photography always enjoy your comments scott . Thanks buddy
Great Episode ... And the comments are nearly as entertaining as the content. I enjoy listening to you guys chat about photo topics, it's great to hear different viewpoints, no point in getting upset 😁.
LOL top man. I'm loving the comments too :)
Lol. Thanks Darren. That's especially true about chunks of plastic, metal and glass!!
Darren Probert - Cheers Darren. People are struggling to understand that not everybody’s opinions have to be the same. The comments are the best part of creating podcasts.
Great to see you're all back. I use a Nikon for what I call my serious shots but the gear (at 72) was proving a bit much to carry, so I bought a new Olympus OMD5 mk2 and a few lenses for general work & I'm impressed by the quality & the fact I can carry the camera & four lenses in the pockets of my jacket no problem . I looked at FF mirrorless like the Sony A7R but agree the weight saving was not worth the cost of changing all my Nikon gear.
Concise comment :) Thanks Robert
Like your video guys and glad you are back again and not just a flash in the pan.
Ooo 3 old school DSLR shooters comparing DSLR's to Mirrorless - always going to cause an amount of reaction. As others have said, I think a lot of your views on mirrorless are out of date (EVF, focusing etc). Granted, handling is always going to be a personal preference. And the small camera = non pro. At the end of the day surely your portfolio does the talking, who cares about the camera. I remember reading ages ago an article on an Indian photographer who started shooting weddings on an iPhone, images were amazing!
Love the discussion on what makes your best photo, very interesting, that kind of discussion is far more interesting than gear (given there are 1000's of channels talking about gear), more of that please!!!!
Thanks Julian. Glad you are enjoying the podcasts. I love your point of view and this article puts in words more succinctly my thoughts than i did on camera :) I agree less gear talk and more chat is the way forward. www.digitalcameraworld.com/features/dslr-vs-mirrorless-cameras-how-do-they-compare
fab podcast, excellent for listening to when im editing photos, Paul your right about the emotion, ive been to a couple of place that have literally overwhelmed me. I had the a similar thing gary with Prince Charles he was at my grandsons school I was merely there with my daughter to try and het a shot of him for her. he came out saw me with my camera poised, came straight over I clicked a few off and then he stood talking to me saying here's a lady who looks like she knows whats shes doing, so aghast that hes spoken to me I completely missed a shot of him shaking my daughters hand, she was furious lol .
Awesome comment . Thanks Tanya :)
Great to see you guys back brilliant as ever!!
Thanks Mark :)
- I hope all the Pro's do go mirrorless. It means the used market will be flooded with cheap Pro gear.
- What the bridge camera's lack is shallow depth of field for subject isolation. I heard it best described as stills from live TV broadcasts of sports. It's zoomed in and sharp, but so is everything else.
Joel Doxtator great comment Joel
Glad to have you back!! I realize these are a lot of work but the wait is worth it...keep it up
Jerry Wade cheers Jerry
Thanks buddy 🙏
The clarity of your video is astounding.
Thank you :)
Welcome back, loving the relaxed banter and simple production. Ignore some of the aggressive opinion s spouted on here. I’ve just got a x-t30 and loving it. Still going use my D750 but the Fuji is for its small size to take away motorcycle touring and day to day carrying round. It also make me feel less conspicuous in public than a big dslr so yes I agree with the dslr looking more professional to joe public at least. Keep up the good work and keeping enjoying it, it comes through
Thanks Andy. The nasty comments personally don't phase me at all. Just hot air. Or hot typing lol
Hi guy’s I use a canon m50 as a walk about with 18-150 mm lens. It is great for street and for tripod landscape work also. The issue is pretty much as you have discussed it’s slower then my dslr and the evf whilst better than Some bridge cameras I have had is not a patch on my dslr, they just work better in my opinion. Great podcast keep up the good work
Thanks Steve
Had similar thoughts in the past with DSLR vs mirrorless. Got to use a Sony A7iii recently with some amazing lenses from G-master and zeiss variants and it was absolutely incredible. The dynamic range was amazing as well as the low light performance. Couldn't see a different between it and a Canon 5d mk iv. Enough to make me want to move to a mirrorless system into the future as i think that's where the market will end up imo.
And the shout about looking professional is utter ridiculous IMO. Output of the images trumps all regardless of the size of the body and lenses.
Hi Guys
Great to see you all back and love the insights. I think one minor point you might be missing is the size. I off course think dslrs are great as I have a couple Nikons. I also have an Olympus OMD EM1 and the size is just great because for me so much lighter. I like to photograph surfing and birds and action. Using the nikon d500 with the sigma 150-600 lens make for a heavy combination. when you compare the weight of camera and lens on the olympus set up it is significantly reduced. There is a podcast by Scott Bourne called "Picture Methods Podcast" and he explains a lot of the benifits of mirrorless although he is an Olympus Visionary. From memory its his second podcast that has the reference costwise and weight wise. He used to be a Canon Photographer and used to carry around the Heavy 600mm lenses etc. The other advantage for me is when travelling and on plane can only take 7KGs on board. Iwould never check in my equipment. I watch all 3 of your vlogs and each of you have your own unique style. Keep up the great work gentlemen...
Vedran Greget - Thank you very kindly 👍🏻
Great comment . Keep them coming 😃👍
Great discussion guys :) I decided to upgrade my Nikon D810 a year or so ago and after a lot of research I moved over to Sony. I must admit that I was always slightly disappointed with the wide angle lenses I used from Nikon (17-35 F2.8 and a couple of 16-35 F4s) They did the job but suffered greatly in the corners. I am not a pro but was lucky enough to be able to afford a switch to the A7R3 with a couple of GM lenses. The 16-35 F2.8 is so, so good, but also expensive. I find battery life better on my Sony than it was on the D810 - I am in live view almost all the time and the Sony has been well optimised for that obviously. Having used the eye autofocus on the Sony I can only say that I would not use anything else if I was a wedding tog. You can just forget about moving focus points around and concentrate on composition.
Great comment . Thanks Dave :)
Any discussions about camera gear is always going to ruffle feathers and I have never understood why folk get so wound up over it. I don't usually comment on forums but thought I would leave some of my experiences with regards to mirrorless. I have used the Nikon system for some time now and before that I had a medium format camera. Whenever I had out the large medium format camera or Nikon D4 I would always get other photographers approach me and get into a discussion about the cameras. Since using my little mirrorless (for the last three years) no one has ever approached me to ask what it is I am using and I get the feeling that the DSLR users look down their noses at it since it does look like a toy on its relatively large tripod. There definitely is gear snobbery out there. The reason I bought the mirrorless was to save not only on weight but also on bulk since I travel a lot in mountainous terrain and a DSLR and several lenses take up a hell of a lot of room in your rucksack and in winter it means more room in there for additional clothing etc. I have to disagree on the comments made about weight difference between mirrorless and DSLR. The camera I have plus three lenses (14mm, 18-55mm & 55-200mm plus two spare batteries and all filters etc. weighs a little under 2KG. Believe me that is a significant saving not only in weight but also bulk over a traditional system. Having carried both DSLR (crop sensor and full frame incl. pro spec) and medium format up Munros in Scotland I know which my 60 year old back prefers. I still use the Nikon system for wildlife purely for the large glass but as others have said you use the system which best fits your needs. Some comments refer to the need to have the latest technology but this did not apply to me as I was one of the last to change to digital from film and the purpose of buying into mirrorless was purely for weight/bulk reasons. The system I bought into is capable of producing stunning images and for landscape I would not go back to DSLR. Keep up the great work lads and love all your individual RUclips channels. If you see an old geezer with a dinky camera whilst out come over and say hello.
I have no problem with what anybody uses Nick. If i see someone with a mirrorless camera, an old DSLR , a phone , or me with my 12 year old 4/3s Olympus it matters not. Awesome comment and your requirements for what you need has made your choice for you. Sounds like an awesome set up :)
It comes down to personal choice & what you want to do with it. There will always be a place for the DSLR. If you look at people like Craig Roberts who shots micro-four thirds for magazine articles. He shoots mainly prime lenses & gets the composition right in camera. Now his camera system does reduce weight & size of both camera & lenses. Olympus & Panasonic are doing a 4K photo mode which appeals to many.
More people want a camera now to shoot both stills & video which influences the choice. Bridge cameras have their place in good light but not in low light.
The EVF has advantages of histogram in front of your eye.
The choice is a case of what your going to do with the images. The young upload to social media & nothing else. Camera manufactures are fighting with the phone camera for many of the younger generation and that is not going to change.
Great comment Nicky :)
So often, I am an opportunist photographer. Meaning, I don’t always know what I am going to shoot. I just know where I plan to go and it is usually a place that is altogether new to me. That being the case, I am carrying my 5D IV and my 16-35mm, 24-70mm, 70-200mm, and 100-400mm. Plus, some filters, batteries, tripod, etc. It’s really a lot of weight. I’ve yet to find a way to truly lighten the load without making compromises / sacrifices. Sometimes I can plan ahead enough to be able to bring only maybe two lenses knowing the focal lengths I expect to shoot and that helps a bit. Otherwise, I’m usually fairly loaded down. It’s the one negative thing that saps some of the enjoyment of getting out to shoot.
Thanks for the comment David :)
Gary - I am with you 100% in regards to the size and weight! I currently own a Canon T3i - it is a good camera but it is so small and lightweight. I have owned a Canon A1 since the early 80's, along with a motor drive - THAT had a great weight and feel - put on the Canon 85mm f/1.2L and you know you are holding something great. I can't wait to move up to full-frame and though I thought about mirrorless, I am going to stay with a DSLR....
Plenty of good reasons to do that still.
Hi Guys good to see you back! I moved to Fuji from Nikon FF 18 months ago and its fine for me for the following reasons. I do a lot of time lapses and stock stuff as well as landscapes also some architectural. Im sore on the bodies because of high usage and for that reason I can renew the two bodies every three to four years for half the price of my D810. Also the Fuji Lenses are very good. The auto focus is still not as good as the dslr. At first I thought as Im getting older (65) and the fuji system would be lighter to carry about but as you say 'not true' there is not much to gain (reduce) especially when you add the weight of the 16-55mm and the 50-140mm. EVF is good for me as my eyesight is crap.
Not sure about what Adam was saying about the X Fuji not aimed at the Pro market. Their professional services include the X-T2/3 as qualifying professional products as well as the afore mentioned lenses. Also their support service for pro photographers is excellent unlike Nikon, Canon, and Sony. Part of the problem is the three main manufactures produce full frame systems that are vastly overpriced for the technology and have never really been challenged until now! Pro level dslr's need to come down in price to reflect the tech. Like Adam I'm an old ex cop but I started photography around 1978+ with an Practica MTL3 when it was miniature or small format so I don't understand the Full frame thing that has developed. Xtrans files going through Lightroom with Iridient plugin beats Capture One imho.
I did a side by side with big prints of Arran 36X24ish D810 70-200-2.8 and the X-T2 50-140mm 2.8 and believe it or not the Fuji did better and sells more? better clarity detail a nicer image although, it might be due to combination of camera and lens. So I would argue with Adam over that! I still miss my dslr but sense has to prevail when you no longer have the income. I think I covered my 18months with mirrorless (sorry) anyway keep em coming ;-)
Awesome comment Jim. Thanks for taking the time to give us your balanced thoughts :)
Old Grumpy Jim - this is exactly what we asked for in the podcast, thank you. It’s the slow focusing that’s holding me back from changing to ML. Also, I’m not in the market to change yet. My cameras are still awesome. I’ve never been one for chasing technology just for the sake of it either. Cheers again 👍🏻
Gary Gough no probs Garry I’ve just finished doing family kids party up here and the auto focus is a pain it’s still not quite same as my d810 in low light
So my son has taken the d810 off me 🤔 just now
good to see you back lads and yet again a great vid thanks
Cheers Lee.
Thanks Lee :)
you need to add the episode number in the title and shift the thumbnail so the number is not blocked by the time length in the youtube website.
Good to have you back, although this conversation about DSLR Vs Mirrorless was a mistake, 3 togs who both use DSLR are never going to have a balanced debate. The comments about ‘professional’ made you seem very amateur! Interestingly when Joe Cornish is not using a Phase One (who is sponsored by), he uses a Sony A7Riii, perhaps that makes him an amateur....Many of your views are also out dated, battery life for instance on the A7Riii matches my D810. Next time, I suggest you have a guest who takes the opposite view or choose a subject you don’t all agree with.
Why is it a mistake? Because we said some things a few people don't agree with. I hope not.....that would be very concerning.
Which comments about be professional? We definitely didn't say you cant be professional if you use mirrorless.
Having worked a bit with Joe through Light and Land, I'm not sure that's the best example. There's some serious glass in his bag to go with that top end Sony.
outdated ? I hope this article shows that at least some of our comments are upto date though my views on EVF may come across at outdated. Though until OLED comes online i'll still prefer my optical viewfinder :) www.digitalcameraworld.com/features/dslr-vs-mirrorless-cameras-how-do-they-compare :) I think the next episode is one where our views are different. Thanks for the comment Andy. Much appreciated
In answer to your query why I said it was a mistake. IMHO discussing the various pros and cons of a particular camera system, is better had when perspectives from those that use the different systems are included in the discussion/debate, to this end I thought it would had benefited from another contributor other than 3 DSLR users. In reference to professional, without watching back and from memory Gary made reference, possibly in connection with a wedding tog, that turning up with a mirrorless camera would make you look like an amateur or something like that, I can’t quite remember specifically. My reference to Joe still stands, I’m not sure why you mentioning him having some serious glass to go with body has anything to do with it being mirrorless.
Paul G Johnson Sorry, my outdated comment was not made very well, I was specifically meaning around battery life. Battery life of Fuji XT’s is crap, Olympus EM1 Mkii and Sony A7riii is fantastic, no spares required. Early A7’s were extremely poor.
Andy Poole thanks buddy . Great information for anyone considering moving 👍
My Fujifilm GFX 50 S has supplanted (mostly, except for some macro/intimate landscape work) my Canon 5ds r. While they're both 50 mp cameras, and both yield excellent images, the dynamic range on the medium format Fuji really makes a difference. Especially when I get to post. So mirrorless, yes. But, I have several Canon products and the Fujifilm can't touch the 10 fps of my 7 D when it's critter-shooting-time. I reckon I choose the camera that is best for mission-specific application.
The best photo, ever, for me is the one that gives me the "grins" every time I look at it in print. Even though the best are rare, there are several I consider my best, but to choose only one would be like "killing my babies!"
Gary, I understand, having a similar rowdy record as your own, being asked to "please stand in the back." However, is it possible you were asked to go to the back on the occasion you cite, is because you were holding that Hannimax?
Glad you guys are back!
Thank-You,
Mike
Thanks for the great comment Mike
Well, I am not a pro but I have taken photos for many years with different cameras and now I am really enjoying the M50. The EVF is fantastic (it could be a little bigger though). I have to say that I have always been an early technology adopter but I have little doubts that mirrorless is the future. Entertaining conversation guys! Keep going!
I 100% agree. It is the future. :)
For landscape work having an EVF is immensely useful for manual focusing and reviewing images for sharpness in the field, particularly in bright conditions. The EVF on the EOS R is good enough to fool you into thinking it's optical in my opinion. I haven't really used the autofocus but I believe it can now focus in stupidly low light. Also mirrorless bodies let you take advantage of more modern next gen lenses with reduced flange distances.
Great comment Paul. I'm hanging fire before i have a go with the new OLED EVF. If i can get my fingers to control the body i may one day jump over to mirrorless :) Not yet though my old DSLR is doing the job .
Really enjoyed that guys thank you 👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks Carl :)
I use a Nikon D3300 but am looking to get a d7200 beacuse of the ease when bracketing and for the weather seal, otherwise I would keep the D3300 as my primary camera its a brilliant little thing. I shoot mainly landscape, the occasional passing bird and for family days out, I shoot only as a hobby but do print up to A3 and they look fantastic(to me). Rather then spending my small budget on a big camera I spent more on a couple of good lenses and better quality gear such as tri-pod and filters. P.S Glad your Back.
Great comment :)
Brilliant, Great , An hour of stimulating fun and banter. I enjoyed it so much I almost forgot about my Hydrocele :0)
alan scott - what a hydro thingy Alan?
@@GaryGough Fluid on my balls..Plays havoc with focusing sometimes... Well you did ask lol...Love your landscape vlogs Gary. I'm into wildlife. www.alanscott.online Take care
Welcome back and many thanks for a most interesting vlog.
Thanks Wendy :)
Great chat guys. Really good to see you back. On the subject of mirrorless, they are too small for me I have quite large hands and they are just too small and fiddly for me, the DSLR just feels better in my hand, even the larger Sony cameras don't feel right, so I'll probably stick with my DSLR for the foreseeable future!!
Thats my problem Tim. I don't use the touch screen on my 850 as i set all sorts of things i didn't mean to :)
Although I'm not the youngest but by no means old, I agree with Paul, I won't be moving to mirror less because I just don't like the feel of it in my hands, to a public eye they aren't as thought of being professional is the impression I get, with a dslr and a big lens people come up and say that looks expensive gear, but you don't get it so much with mirror less, by no means is it cheap to a non photographer it might
Good to see you back, I really enjoyed your discussion :-)
Thanks Jillian
Really like the podcast! It funny I used to own a Canon 6D and I miss that camera so much, just loved the ergonomics and the feel of the camera in the hand. The only problem is it always stayed at home due to the size of the body and the bulky lenses. I now own the Fuji XT-3, and for me it’s a far more advanced camera, and because of its small size I never leave the house with out it. I was a little confused about your comments about the auto focus, it’s far superior to the canon, even in low light.
I can't remember that exact comment about focusing on the XT3. Its focus is perfect for stills. Not for video though. I used it on a couple of commercial video projects and the focus missed on numerous occasions. I resorted to manual focus but it ultimately led to me selling the camera because I had bought it for the incredible video features on paper. The video image quality is incredibly good though, especially on the high bit rate setting.
What the hell time do you call this! You go out and don’t say where you are going, who you are with or when you will be back!!! I’ve worried myself sick ... ;-)
For what it’s worth I wore out Canon 10D, 20D and 40D bodies. Bought a Fuji X Pro 1 on release, sold the Canon gear and have stuck with Fuji ever since because I love the simplicity - I’m simple :) Needless to say I have way too much Fuji gear by now :/ Loving my X-T30 and two lenses for hiking/location scouting atm, it’s not a lot lighter but it makes a difference to me.
Really glad you are back with the channel/podcast, I find your differing points of view interesting but Gary could do to be a bit less rigid in some of his views - in the nicest possible way of course - cameras really don’t need to be big to portray professionalism but that’s my POV :)
Looking forward to the next instalment.
Oswald Bastable - none taken lol. I think it’s called being old and grumpy lol
Thanks for the feedback 👍🏻👍🏻
mirrorless vs dslr which system produces a better image? If you use the same lens?
Ha ha it was great to be mentioned in a podcast and not as a stalker!!!
Thanks for the answers, I'm sticking with DSLR for the moment. My main reason for thinking of switching was how loud my shutter is on d750 even in silent mode
Thanks buddy :)
I bought an EOS R a few months ago and love it (apart from that silly touch bar, give me a wheel canon). The EVFs have really come a long way since the Sony A7 i had for a while. Contrary to the discussion here, i've actually seen quite a few wedding photographers moving to Sony mirrorless for the eye-af functionality, which is really quite brilliant. I chose the EOS-R because it was fairly cheap £1600 and i could adapt my other canon lenses onto it. General take away is that if the new technology is getting more people into photography and helping them become better photographers then that can only be seen as a good thing really.
Thanks for the great comment James :)
I think people just like new gear thats why they buy mirrorless, personally im the kind of person who likes my kit to do the job well and bumped into a guy one day on the beach and got chatting and i mentioned i wanted to move to a full frame camera from my 7D to shoot nightscapes and i also mentioned getting a 24-70f4 for landscapes, and he looked at me and said get the canon ef 24-85 f3.5. Now i bought that lens for £54 on ebay and its so sharp and naturally im over the moon, even christopher frost on youtube called it a hidden gem, so if you want fancy new gear thats fine but theres plenty of gear out there that will do the job aswell.
Agree entirely :)
A delightful way to spend an hour.
Thanks Brad. Glad you enjoyed it.
Thanks Brad :)
Firstly I'd just like to say just how much I'm enjoying your Podcasts. Like you, I love talking about photography and camera gear and the pros and cons of formats, systems and new technology.
My dilemma is that what I want is to be able to get the best possible image quality at a price I can afford. For the last 3 years I've been using the D500 and absolutely love it. But Mr Nikon is shouting in my ear "YOU WANT A Z7!!!" Not instead of the D500, but as well as..... Having seen some of the results coming from the Z6 surely the Z7 must be even better???? If not, then what's point in creating a higher spec camera in the first place ? As Adam said "I don't need it but I want it". Or, do I just say bollards to this and go for broke and buy a Bridge Camera? Only kidding Paul G Johnson 😭🤣😂
I'd personally hang fire a while. Nikon will bring out more mirrorless incantations with everything you want. Nothing wrong with a bridge camera :)
I deleted my last comment because I think I came across as too "preachy", and that is not want I ever want to be. I thought about what Gary said today, and it struck me that if he feels the need to have big cameras to look the part of a "pro", because that gives him the confidence he needs to do his job, then that is entirely up to him, and this shouldn't be criticized by anyone. But as you guys have a certain amount of influence, and some of your audience are thinking about turning pro, it would irresponsible to suggest that to be a pro you need big expensive cameras. Gareth covers this nicely below (or is it above). Maybe actually use the latest mirrorless cameras before you compare them to DSLRs, you may be pleasantly surprised!
Thanks for the revised comment Simon Personally i couldn't care less what people use . If they enjoy taking images and get the shot they like then its all good IMO :)
I wouldn't part with my d850 and prime lenses, but I took my z6 to New York with a 50mm f 1.8 and was so inconspicuous and did the job. I do think mirrorless will emerge though.
I just started binge watching you guys yesterday and am really enjoying the content. I have to say though that your trademark video/podcast/video format takes a bit of getting used to.
I think the sheer number of replies here shows how polarising this vlog has been. I dont think some of your collective comments came across well, they seem a bit out of date, a lack of research, knowledge maybe, they are comments of three mates in a pub. The problem is, you're not, you've put yourselves up there to but shot at.
And then as admirable as it is attempting to reply to everyone, that just comes across as defensive to me. Paul quoting one article in countless replies when a quick Google will find compelling arguments for both sides doesnt sit well either.
Ask for comments, gather collective thoughts and address in the next one?
This is probably the learning process of a new format, im sure the three of you have evolved hugely on your own channels, this feels to me like pro photographers doing an amateur vlog.
Dont get me wrong, I've watched all of them and am doing so hoping to learn from people whose work I admire and respect. This particular one just didn't sit right though.
Thanks, really appreciate your views. I think the point of this whole endeavour is for it to be like three mates chatting in a pub.....at least for the time being. The low production value of the video is all part of that, with the good audio reflecting that it is designed to be a podcast.
Obviously we invited comments and welcome them. In the same vain though, if you comment you're putting yourself out there. If that comment becomes personal, aggressive or abusive (especially over an opinion about a chunk of metal and plastic) then are we expected to stay silent? (rhetorical question)
In terms of replying to comments. Its unlikely collective replies will work. I'd be more inclined to not engage in the comments at all. This is a side project that we have created and will keep doing it as long people enjoy it. If we're creating conversation, I think that is great!!!
Like any RUclips channel this costs significant time and money to create. There is little to no prospect of this ever making us anymore than beer money so it's important that we continue to enjoy it too.
As someone who has reviewed a few Fujifilm cameras, I am pretty used to the level of passion about camera gear. The wave of hostility can be pretty shocking at first though, especially when you're just trying to entertain people with a fun chat about cameras on the way to work.
Thanks again for your levelled and thoughtful comment. Hope you stick with us for the next one.
Good to see you back Gents..re DSLR/mirrorless..I'm 50/50 wildlife/landscapes and I could easily change to top end Sony for landscapes as realistically when tripod/composition/control all in play it's all about "what feels right to me re handling and usability" (personally I still prefer the feel of DSLR but technically no difference) and output differences between say an A7RIII vs D850 vs DMkIV etc are minimal. BUT for wildlife, apart from the "all gear no idea" brigade who shoot 9-5 in reserve hides etc (who would do well with Paul's bridge camera idea0), the big differences are when at the extremes..a lot of my (and others) wildlife is shot in low light/appalling weather/remote locations so high iso quality/weather sealing/huge battery life are vital and mirrorless loses on all those counts for now...BUT SONY A9 is getting quite close (20 fps, focusing excellent, good viewfinder etc) and I've used one but they have minimal range of lenses in the 200-600 range (and batteries in cold weather still pants !) but I suspect the A10/11 may be serious game changers......I do a bit of 1-2-1 tuition and most new photogs want a general purpose camera that does most things and I agree with you guys, I say get a used 5D MkII or a newD5600/used D700 for say £400-600 and buy one decent lens to start..the difference between a good 24-70 and the usual kit lens is massive .....its all just gear and use what suits your needs but every hobby as the "I know best" brigade...I went to a RPS sponsored talk a few days back and some of the chats in the breaks I overheard made me cringe !!
Thanks Nigel. You seem to have very successfully shared the balanced opinion we were trying hard to convey.
Me? Balanced? Thats a worrying sign !! Seemed a very sensible chinwag between mates tbh though please don't let Gary release a "My Favourite Wedding Dance Moves" vlog as we all have tipping points..
I agree with Adam. I love your balanced view :)
Cheers Paul..I await your and Adam's cycling video with interest ...:-)
The only part that is professional is the person stood behind the camera. Sure the various camera companies will attempt to market certain cameras as professional but that is just hype to get buyers to part with money.
Lenses make massive differences, bodies not so much.
John Hare - very true John 👍🏻
Very enjoyable video, my fear with mirrorless cameras is that manufacturers well deliberately run down the range of DSLR models in order to force photographers to buy a whole set of new lenses and bodies to go with with them. Canon did the same thing with the FD lenses when they changed to the eos system and I think that we might be forced to move to mirrorless in a few years.
Thanks Simon . There is a lot of flux in the camera market in general at the minute. The cards will fall in one way soon and then its time to make decisions. I feel that Nikon and Canon will ensure their mirrorless bodies will allow old lenses to be used. At least i hope so :)
Hi guys, great podcast but a lot of misinformation about mirrorless. It's funny I follow each of you separately and just discovered you guys together on this podcast.
Thank you
Nice one guys :-D I've always shot Mirrorless, after realising that I'd reached the maximum out of my old compact Olympus. Starting with a Canon 450D then moving to a canon M3 as I was also hiking more and smaller was easier to carry. I wanted to go full frame at some point and the M3 although a great landscape camera its autofocus is slow and I wanted to grab wildlife and action shots again. Having smashed my M3 I took the opportunity to replace it with the EOS R which I do really like and I can still use my old lenses. I also got my M3 repaired so I can take it on dog walks (just in case! lol ) and as a backup camera. My favourite shot is of the Roaches End farm on a snowy evening. 2 Photographers with full gear and lenses, and me with my M3 and a shower cap. Guess who got the shot? :-) lol.
Alan D - love it lol cheers Alan
Omg listening this sounded to like all you guys are 70 years old.
Mirrorless is the future and to recommend some one new invest in old technology is silly. I think you guys need to look at the cameras and reviews of today.. If this podcast had no date I could close my eyes a think this is a conversation from 3 years ago.
When you shoot a wedding do you pull out your camera and ask is this big enough /good enough for you? I'm sure they look at your images and that sells them.
Keep up the good podcast guys I enjoy it listening to everyone's point of view.
Cheers
I would not be a pro photographer even if they paid me! (joke) There was some interesting stuff on here. Do these guys enjoy what they are doing, I just wonder how many people have been sucked in by changing to a m/less and then discovering what they already had was better. What about the queues of photographers waiting to take the same pictures. No thanks...
another good episode , although i do think to suggest that anyone may not be considered to look professional due to the size of there camera, no matter what genre, is something of an archaic view. Im a big fan of mirror less cameras. I shoot APSC and there is a clear weight and size advantage over the bigger APSC brothers. As has been shown in countless Vlog you can still print very good images upto A2 A3 . I find the WYSIWYG a big advantage of the EVF's and personally now i would not go back to an OVF.
Thanks Anthony. Appreciate the response without the level of aggression that some people have come at us with. I didn't take what Gary said in that way or I would have disagreed with him.
My experience is that 99% of people have no idea what the difference is between DSLR and Mirrorless. A wedding is one of the few places people will ever come across a professional photographer and they do still assume you need a big camera, incorrectly of course. Its obviously down to the individual photographer what they shoot with but looking like a pro on the day is important when people have paid thousands of pounds for your services. If Gary feels more comfortable with a bigger camera in that regard then it's a valid opinion.
Personally I need a bigger camera to fit in my hand. If there was mirrorless with a bigger hand grip I'd be fine. I couldn't use the xt3 though. The strap notch digs into my finger and would become really uncomfortable in the hand all day. I also prefer full frame in a wedding setting for the better low light ability and also the more shallow depth of field.
@@PhotoNerds In my personal experience I have found I gained more confidence since shooting the mirrorless system. I felt when shooting in crowded places such as local events with a big DSLR that I "stood out" . When shooting with the smaller body its almost like people take little notice of me even though i might be one of the few people there with a tripod and filters . In fact since shooting the smaller bodies ive found people come over and chat and engage which never happened when I shot DSLR's. I appreciate this may have far more to do with my own confidence levels. Im not sure i can agree with you on the wedding example, with such a large amount of photographers (amateurs or pros) shooting mirroless could it not also be the case that when attending weddings other people could be inspired by the fact there is a pro shooting with a mirroless body. But if we take your example a little further when trying to win the business surely the first thing you show your client is your portfolio of work that is what they will hire you on not if you use a Canon 5dMKv or Sony A7iii ? However i fully agree with you that the mirrorless body doesn't suit everyone and what they use to take their pictures is free choice and no one , should feel pressured to use a certain type of camera what ever genre they enjoy be it landscape or a wedding.
Yeah absolutely agree. That's what we tried to say at the end I think.....there's a camera out there for everyone.
I agree also the portfolio of work is much more important. A lot of the time it's not the key to winning a wedding job though......good pictures should be a given so are not a USP. That comes down to amongst other things personality, sales techniques, closing ability, making the client feel comfortable, showing confidence so they are confident in you etc.
The inconspicuous nature of mirrorless cameras is great. I often leave my DSLR at home for this reason, especially if i'm on a family day out with the kids. The Canon 5D Mk IV is difficult not to see. Mirrorless are perfect for street photography too.
I agree @@hartsphotography
Bought a D700 and a couple of D series lenses. Loving them.
Steve Mozzie glad you are enjoying your new camera buddy 😃👍
Great video, but I think it would have been more interesting if you had someone at the table who does shoot mirrorless, to but there argument across....
Certainly hope your not finishing at 5 episodes... I’m enjoying this
I'm 49 years old and I feel 20 years old with these outdated ideas and lack of knowledge about the mirrorless system you guys have. Just a example James Popsys is one of the best landscape photographers on youtube and it's lightened up his gear by 60% going to Panasonic. World famous bird photographer was able to keep from retiring because of shoulder and back issues switching to Olympus.
Albeit many good things about mirrorless, the EVF is seriously bad for eyes. DSLR will have its spot among professionals due to this problem, I think.
DSLR's are mirrorless in "mirror up" mode which all landscape photographers should be shooting regardless for ultra sharpness, and eliminating the sensor been exposed to dust every time you change lenses as in all mirrorless cameras. Needless to say, there are rumors the Nikon D6 to be released later this year might just be the first hybrid camera, combining the best of both worlds, having an EVF and a mirror, a 24 megapixel back illuminated sensor with an endless buffer designed for sports/action. No this will not be a landscape camera BUT what will follow in my opinion is not a switch to mirrorless, which is neither cheaper, smaller or lighter as an eco-system but a hybrid system which I believe will deliver a fatal blow to the mirrorless world. Having the hybrid option will allow greater flexibility to create while still maintaining Nikon's F-mount system permitting high end glass and super long primes to exist as always. Nikon has this paten, and when it's in production we will soon see a high megapixel, full-frame monster, that will devour even their own flagship D850. If all this is true, my deepest commiserations to all its competitors. Greg
Very true buddy. y thoughts exactly. Thats why i won't consider jumping any time soon. Things are in a state of flux and who knows what will be offered in future.
Can't find anything wrong with my Fuji system. Xt3 is way beyond many dslrs and the glass that will tell other stories all over and above many other cameras
Top viewing guys .
Thanks Paul
great discussion about mirrorless v DSLR's...
sadly your knowledge on where its up to in technology etc is a little off...
there are pro's shooting mirrorless , the Sony mirrorless system is off the charts better than it was a few years back ..
the Sony a9 is probably the best camera ever manufactured to date (2019) & with its recent firmware updates will compete with your Canon 5dMk IV , IDX or Nikon D850's
If your a portrait or wedding/event photographer the Auto focus capabilities are excellent in low light/back light.. & the eye AF technology is game changing with quick fast focus & perfect eye focus everytime .
for sports photography the new inteligent tracking is far superior to what any DSLR can do & combined with for example Sony's new 400mm Lens is again game changing for fast sports .
I know a pro sports photographer who shoots Sony & he often will get the picture when his fellow DSLR photographers missed the shot with the tracking AF acuracy & also using the 20 frames a second shooting with ZERO blackout in his EVF.. . Getty have there own photographers at most sporting events all still shooting DSLRs yet this Sony photographer often sells his images to them because he got the shot & they didnt...
DSLR's will go on just like people still shoot fiim...but Mirrorless is the future , with Artificial Intelegence (AI) is where it will be at I guess...
try the Sony a9 & I think your view on mirrorless may change a little...
The future yes , maybe , or something else . This article encompasses my thoughts in a nutshell :) www.digitalcameraworld.com/features/dslr-vs-mirrorless-cameras-how-do-they-compare
sorry but the guy writing the article is obviously a DSLR (to i die) shooter... as his opinions & his facts are way off too... at the end of the day we all use what camera we want to & will all get great images .. you guys (all 3 of you) photography is amazing & it will be whether you shot with a film camera a DSLR or a mirrorless camera.. & I will continue to enjoy your great work along with the humour that goes with it...@@PaulGJohnsonphotography
GilbertTV lol it all good fun buddy 😂
hahaha... it is...@@PaulGJohnsonphotography
You seem to have little understanding that goal posts in wildlife photography have moved on. Much is about the correct pose, so if you photograph a puffin coming in from the sea with the catch in his beak - well you better shoot a series so that you get the one shot out of maybe the 1000 where all elements fit.
I understand that buddy. I envy the awesome shots you guys get when that perfect moment is captured :)
YES !!
you all should do one on pixels and enplane 8 to 24 pixels are just fine ,,,lol ..later gary good talk shop ..
24:30 - 25:00 - Panasonic already do this with their 4K picture mode
Well that's good. I'm not a pro and don't plan to be, so this means I can go get the newest technology and benefit from it. Thank god I'm not a pro and have to be stuck in my ways.
Is a photographer stuck in their ways because they've decided not to switch to mirrorless yet? That would be a strange POV.
@@PhotoNerds nope stuck in their way because they haven't looked into new technology and dismissed it without research.
OK. I'm not sure what we're talking about anymore. Are you talking about us? We had 50R on the desk in episode 1.
@@PhotoNerds read all the other comments, lots saying the same thing. You slated and dismissed new technology that is coming through and stated that it makes you look unprofessional. Bad idea for a topic to discuss if you aren't up to date with all the tech. As for kit being on the desk, I don't watch the vlogs, I listen on Spotify but can't leave a comment so I came here instead. The other episodes were good, this one made me want to stop listening and seeing reviews on some Facebook groups, a lot didn't even listen to the end.
Smaller, lighter, silent, comparably cheaper in some cases.
Regarding EVF, have you tried any from the last few generations? I agree it's still not the same as optical, but they're near enough as doesn't matter.
WOW Guys is that the best you can do with the argument DSLR or Mirrorless ? If it wasn't for Adam the discussion would have been so outdated it was ridiculous. Gary needs a big one because he is a PRO! and Paul tried a old Sony a few years ago and didn't like it?
I like your individual RUclips channels and watch them every week ( except for Paul of course ), but this Photo Nerds is not working for me.
You kept comparing your DSLR's to the FujiFilm XT3 - The FujiFilm XT3 is a great camera by all accounts, but it is a APS-C sensor not Full Frame so there will be a difference in performance.
Why did Paul not try the Nikon Z7 before he bought the D850? It has great reviews and is ruffly the same price with an adaptor so he could use his Nikon lenses on it.
At least Adam has tried a few different mirrorless cameras and said if Canon bring out a better version of their EOS R camera he would consider it.
If you are going to debate subjects such as equipment, please arm yourself with facts not hearsay.
What's not working? Just this subject or the podcast as a whole? We said from the start we'll stop if people don't like it.
www.digitalcameraworld.com/features/dslr-vs-mirrorless-cameras-how-do-they-compare Upto date review seems to point to the issues we mentioned. I mentioned i had a mirrorless camera years ago. Before buying the 850 i considered switching to mirrorless and physically held them . Personally i preferred the 850. Only a personal choice.
larger camera = more professional looking? I don't use Leica, but I would never regard a Leica photographer as a amateur based on the size of the gear.
I spend a lot of time disagreeing with Gary, but to be fair.......there is a lot of non-photographers that do believe that. We know that's not the case but so much of wedding photography is about presentation before/during and after the day rather than just great pictures. As a professional photographer, like any profession, how you come across matters. If Gary feels a bigger camera adds to all that, it's a very valid opinion.
C'mon guys ..... mirrors are old technology and larger mounts, better quality lenses and mirrorless is here to stay. The current Lumix S series and Leica SL have EVF's which are indistinguishable from optical viewfinders...... and most in the future will be similar. Plus you get good video if you need it as well. DSLR is dead.
DSLR will never die but in the future mirrorless may well be king. As you say the new OLED EVF systems are awesome but not out yet on any body i can afford. i love this article as it says, possibly more succinctly what we were saying on video :) www.digitalcameraworld.com/features/dslr-vs-mirrorless-cameras-how-do-they-compare Love your comment though
Great fun & stimulating banter without the usual Photo BS. Thanks & keep em' coming.
Steve Martin cheers Steve 👍🏻
Sorry guys, 6 minutes in, thumbs down. New names for you Tyrannosaurus, Stegosaurus & Spinosaurus ! Three Saurus' because frankly I think you were talking through them ! New name for you, The Three Dinosaurs ! Soon to become extinct ! Canon & Nikon thought like you, left Sony & Fuji etc to it, then when they realised that Sony were outselling Nikon for full frame cameras, they soon changed there minds, now they are producing mirrorless, DSLR is going with the dinosaurs & so will you if you don't jump on the bandwagon soon !