Have you thought about small airships with the main lift supplied by Helium? Yes wind could be a problem but you could have larger motors and move up and down too work with the wind.
@@gamesman0118 a quick internet search resulted in that you need about a cubic meter (0,933) of gas to lift a kilogram, so let's asume the plane is a kilogram, and the payload as well, that allready needs 2 cubic meters of gas. The gas container also weighs something and needs to be safe so it will go closer to 3 cubic meters probably. Then, the plane needs to land in ppls driveways or backyards, manouver around trees and streetlights and whatnot... This is a nogo I asume.
You guys need to go higher. Under 400ft there’s little room for error. Try 800 - 1200ft it’s as if the aircraft enters a different dimension of sound up there.
Wing is doing great things to bring about the next iteration of the "delivery business". Adam (from Wing) is so good at explaining things, and as a side note, he's also an amazing pilot...🤘🤠
When you watch a "tested" video about something you know about (RC planes) you realize how annoying Adam Savage is. Let Woodworth talk, Savage. You're adding nothing to the conversation.
After thinking about her workflow, I feel like I have been standing on my head. I want to start with the cheapest materials, and manufacturing because I feel like early on, I'm more likely to break, change, and scrap stuff. It feels like I don't want to allow myself the higher end stuff, until confidence will allow. After listening to these conversations, I wonder if I'm thinking backwards. I am imagining they first solve the math, then design in CAD, then check math, and then build a model as close as possible to the digital one?
that wing shape and the four, square four bladed props mean i cant not see the C130H hidden amongst its design, which is beautifully appropriate for a cargo drone.
Watching intelligent, rational people is so refreshing after hearing the mainstream media. This is like therapy. I wonder if they tried an "Osprey" style vehicle. VTOL
GREAT VIDEO ,IM 59 AND 50 OF THOSE YEARS IN R/C AND STILL AT IT LOVE ALL MODELS ,TOYS ,GADGETS,ELECTRONICS JACK OF ALL THINGS AND MASTER OF NONE! ITS ALL ABOUT HAVIN FUN! NEVER GROW UP!
They are definitely covering all the bases with their design documentation and proven reliability. I see them gaining the upper hand in the US market unless we see some major developments from those like Zipline.
I'm still not seeing a common use for these particular aircraft. I can see certain use cases like delivering medicine or cases where urgency is important. I don't envision these being used for delivering groceries or even fast food. I think the support and packaging issues will make them impractical. They're too small to deliver a weekly grocery order and too complicated and risky for a $5 dollar purchase. I think it is easier to load up a truck with many orders and deliver them to the neighborhood. Drones require good weather, charging, flight planning, packaging of the item and more. This is early in the development process so maybe as the platforms evolve it will make more sense. We had a couple of Walmart stores using drones near us. I saw them routinely shut down for weather and nobody was using them. I'm sure drones are in our future, but I think it will take a big step from what we are seeing in this video.
Loved this, it unpicks something I was taught, that all noise is wasted energy but you can see that its not quite as simple as that. Also reminds me of the automobile cooling fans, some of which have offset blades to counter noise issues.
Julia's audio is so bright but also deep. Sounds like a whole different device, but I love the sound quality. Can somebody fill me in on which is used? Joey?
Unfortunately we ran into a bit of an audio snag, and had to process and adjust her audio a little differently and with a little more care. Im happy to hear that it sounds acceptable!
@@JoeyFameli It was immediately clear she sounds different indeed. (reason for me to check the comments) But she sounds, albeit somewhat out of place, very good! 👌Lovely video. Thanks!
Came here to say that her audio was probably taken from Adam's lav and run through an AI enhancer. I appreciate the extra little reverb the team added to place it in the room!
Amazing! Loved building stick/tissue planes as a young boy. All ended up as crashes! Wonderful sculptures! But, this is a whole new level of inventions! Didn't even know that this delivery system was being developed! Winds here on the Oregon coast might be a developmental hurdle? Thanks for this interview/demonstrations. Loved it!
True, but I think the statement was really meant to say you won't mind noise at your neighbors because it's the same system that often delivers to you. At least, that's how I took it. Noise is always going to be an issue, and everyone perceives it differently. For now though, I would welcome these drones, even the noisy ones, because they are still quieter than the gas-powered trucks they would replace. Even after the entire terrestrial fleet is replaced with electric trucks, the other big benefit I see to these drones is that they won't be racing around my neighborhood streets the way the truck drivers do, endangering people and wearing out the road (some of which is gravel, and so particularly quick and easy to damage by speeding). Honestly, while I have my qualms about filling the skies with thousands of these delivery drones, I think there's a lot of ways that they are just inherently better for the public than trucks, and that would justify not even worrying too much about the whole noise question. So I'm impressed that they are doing a lot of work to resolve concerns about that too.
So when will it fly itself? I still would find the sound annoying if I was in my backyard. For delivery to places like hospitals or for working in disaster zones delivering supplies. I just can imagine not needing gps, and using the location of the sun and landmarks for them to deliver like honeybees. Could imagine just turning on the other propellers just for a second or two during flight might pull it away from a collision or gunfire. curious if they have the option to swap out batteries like you would for a battery powered tool.
"When will it fly itself?" It already does. With enough dedication to the configuration, even a diy hobbyist drone can perform an entire flight from takeoff to landing without input from an operator. The only reason a company like Wing would have a "pilot" overseeing the operation is for legal requirements, the FAA does not like fully autonomous systems. While visual landmark navigation may certainly be possible with the advancement of ai vision systems, there's simply little need for it. GPS relies only on the existence of the satellites to function, it does not matter if it's in a disaster zone or not. The only time GPS becomes unusable is if someone decides to jam the radio frequency that the satellites are transmitting on. Dodging gunfire is a rather difficult thing, bullets are very small and very fast. Tracking them from far enough out to be able to dodge it is a tall ask with current tech. Avoiding collisions, however, is very much already in current use via AI vision systems from companies like Iris Automation. The batteries on all drones are swappable, it'd be silly if they weren't. I don't know if these click into place like the ones on a power tool, but that's a simple matter of mechanical engineering to make it that way if minimizing turnaround times is a priority over the weight savings of not having that system.
I'm pretty sure I saw a pixhawk flight controller when they were discussing the boilerplate Avionics setup at the start of the video. I can also see they got tags in the landing zone, so they might be employing some form of computer vision for precise landings.
You could have a plane that launches vertically with big wings that fold back, climbs really high over the home base, then extends the wings and glides most of the way to the destination. That way most of the noise only occurs above the distribution center.
If you watch one of the previous videos, or maybe it was on Slow-Mo, you'll see how strong and smart the drones are when someone tries pulling on the cord.
I suspect theft and vandalism is another reason to make them quieter, too. Folks under the flight path will be less likely to notice, and even if they do they'll have way less time to get gunshots off (bullet or EMP or whatever) at it.
Mark Rober did a segment about Drone delivery system Zipline that uses whisper quiet propellers, I wonder if they've tried those or if they know about them?
You know Adam I get it, you get excited and hyped when you really like the subject but you have to let people talk and explain without interrupting. I react to this because this is just like work when people that are fast talkers interrupting me when I am explaining something important for them, annoying AF. Love you, keep it up
I noticed it cut away when the delivered package touched the ground. Breaking that situation down mechanically, if the drone winch can't detach itself that means the customer would have to detach the winch. That's a problem.
Here is a video of the package touching down as well as additional information about our hook & tether system. No action is needed from a customer to receive a delivery, only a clear space on their property abou the size of picnic blanket with clear vertical access to the airspace above. 👍
Im in two minds as to whether I like the whole concept of drone delivery but I get it. What interests me more is how the SW works, very clever stuff going on there.
Good question! You're right, blimps and other balloon-style aircraft *are* the quietest man-made aircraft. My guess is they went with wings and propellers for maneuverability or wind resistance reasons. Though blimps are very quiet, they turn slowly and can get pushed off course much more easily by the wind. Flying along with the wind a blimp could likely get close to the speed of a drone, and do it almost silently. But flying across or against a strong wind current they'd go much slower compared to winged aircraft. And for a delivery service like this to fulfill customer orders all over an area, they need aircraft that can go any direction from the launch site as quickly and efficiently as possible, and also return to home base quickly for the next load.
I almost feel like these things should have little sound systems on them that actually broadcast music, because you can't make them less loud, but you can make them less annoying. I wonder how light you could make an audio system that would broadcast frequencies that would harmonize with the propellers in a way that left the result much more pleasant.
0:54 hahaha love that yours still using a pixhawk. Go for the control zero 3DR now makes. Adam, visit 3DR in San Diego. All the components that go in drones we design, manufacture and assemble in San Diego
Have they considered trying noise cancellation? Seems it should be pretty straightforward to figure out, seeing as how you only have two different frequencies on each plane to deal with.
Interesting and very clever. And I'm glad they have tried to make their vehicles quieter. But they are making more plastic things that we'll have to figure out how to recycle. And living in a quiet small town with so far only occasional drone noise, I don't want to hear these vehicles multiple times a day. Because what happens when "You get used to it," is that your sensorium is shuttered and you become less sensitive to sounds altogether. Reduced is not enough. They need to make their machines silent. How about ornithopters?
A conflicting video for me. On one hand, this is an amazing episode: watching calm, rational, intelligent folks discuss a subject aligned with my interests is delightful! On the other hand I feel like an old man yelling at clouds... drone delivery is intrusive even if it's silent. The drones will become ubiquitous to the point of annoying and then fade into the background, possibly like how cars at first were. And then when we adapt to their presence it's just One. More. Thing. that's breaking up the space available to seek solace. All in the chase of money.
_"drone delivery is intrusive even if it's silent."_ -- true, but then so is delivery in general. It remains to be seen, but it's my belief that these will wind up being a net positive as compared to the current situation, even accounting for the fact that delivery trucks will eventually all be electric.
I just got an idea from your dino vide! You coud make an arthropleura as an rc animal and maby so you can ride it, maby in the real size!! Woud be funny haha
This is a great video. The only problem Io have with it is I don't like or trust any drones accept ones controlled by a human at all times. And use for such things as drone racing, news broadcasting, filming or a person having fun. Those are just a few examples of how I am ok with a drone. Any unmanned drone I will never trust for any reason but there could be an acceptation such as a person setting up way points. Such as to help a farmer survey their farm land as one example. But any unmanned drone never controlled by a human I will never like or trust ever.
Another reason to get them as quiet as reasonably possible without losing efficiency, IMO. Can't shoot what you don't know is there, and the less time you're aware of it before it's out of range the better.
I have just that one question, why not use turbines on those planes for cruise, wouldn't they be more efficient and maybe even more quiet? I mean some electrical turbines like often used for model planes.
I'm curious why they didn't go with a design more similar to an Osprey, I feel like it would be more efficient and aerodynamic then having seperate propellers at the top causing more air resistance. Still cool regardless tho
"Tiltrotors" as they are known are, for lack of a better term, a total pain in the ass. The osprey does it by being two entire helicopters in a tilting trenchcoat: each rotor has it's own independent cyclic controls to adjust propeller pitch and directional thrust. So complicated! So fragile! There's a simpler way of doing it, a so called "quadplane" where it has four rotors but only the front two must tilt. This allows you to use simpler motors and propellers, they can be basic fixed pitch stuff like the ones on these Wing drones. The tradeoffs are, you still have two dead motors to carry in forward flight, the front propellers must be halfway optimized for both hover (static thrust) and forward flight (dynamic thrust), the transition between the two modes of flight is a much more complex problem as the tilting motors are having to handle double duty at that moment, and from a reliability perspective any failure on a tilting motor means immediate termination of flight (ie, crashing). Some drone companies do go with the tilting quadplane style, but I think it's a complicated compromise with little actual benefit.
cool project, but.... i am a paraglider and i am concerned about the conflict with these drones. i assume these are not operated ba a human. what flight rules does this drone follow?. Paragliders are bound to VFR. also Paragliders would have priortity as they have no engine. would the drone make way?
Heres a solution that needs regulation. Either, They only travel on roadways. OR Safety zones are quarantined from the drones, like how Airports are darkzones to drones, so should or can be park areas for Gliders like yourself. Typically Gliders are not in major urban areas. you wouldnt want to crash into joe's house.
Great video Adam although, would have liked to see less video focusing on the guy talking about the aircraft and more shots of the actual aircrafts while he is explaining it
Years ago, an outdoor music venue received a bunch of complaints about noise, so they got a guy to go out and test the level...When he tried to get a reading during a show, he had trouble getting anything definitive because road noise, dogs barking, and crickets chirping were louder than the concert at that distance.....people cherry pick their annoyances
one reason why i hate these drone delivery companies is that Amazon and Google have for more than 7 years hired Lobbyists to kill our RC flying hobby so they can have the airspace for drone delivery to them self´s. Other than that i support drone solutions but not drone delivery. Sure i dont live in USA but what happens in USA and FAA will one year later happen in Europe, we have seen it for 7 years now. see and feel how our hobby is getting crushed by Amazon and Google. so i boycott them as much as i can. and i can say proudly, i just shopped one time at Amazon the last 7 years...
Helicopters are not efficient in fast forward flight. So everyone is trying to have drone that can take off vertically and fly like a plane horizontally
Would be cool if you could shine the light on the other end of this: the FAA/Amazon/etc is legislating the Rc plane hobby out of existence because of “drones” all to free up the airspace we occupy for this hypothetical unproven business that will only work in the ideal weather. All the balsa kit makers and tinkerers are being forced to comply with rules and regulations when an Rc plane never caused any of the problems they cite for these laws. I hope no commercial drone delivery service ever becomes successful
Having lived on both sides of this argument, as an RC hobbyist and former drone company employee... I think the FAA hates everyone pretty equally. Just as they make it hard for hobbyists to enjoy a safe recreation, they also make it very hard for drone companies to provide actually useful services or easily scale, due to BVLOS rules and RPIC requirements.
Sweet... i can't fly my freestyle quad without getting arrested, so this can fail... Is there an "iteration cliff" thats to say a place where you all say, "ok this is a bad idea, there is no flying machine that can deliver packages reliably while being visually and religiously invisible..."
cool engineering, but I don't want these noisy things flying around. Also there is a ton of nofly zones in my area, imagine living under a bottleneck and these thing are constantly flying over your house
Learn more about Wing drone delivery at: www.youtube.com/@Wing
Testing the Limits of Delivery Drones: ruclips.net/video/YhNfeejuByI/видео.html
WTH is going on with the camerawork from 18:00 onward ??? 🤮
Just hold the camera STILL FFS !!!
I love how open they are to sharing their design process. Thanks Tested, team!
Thank you Adam and Tested team for coming and checking out our Lab! 🔬✈️
Thank YOU! So fascinating.
Have you thought about small airships with the main lift supplied by Helium? Yes wind could be a problem but you could have larger motors and move up and down too work with the wind.
@@gamesman0118 a quick internet search resulted in that you need about a cubic meter (0,933) of gas to lift a kilogram, so let's asume the plane is a kilogram, and the payload as well, that allready needs 2 cubic meters of gas. The gas container also weighs something and needs to be safe so it will go closer to 3 cubic meters probably. Then, the plane needs to land in ppls driveways or backyards, manouver around trees and streetlights and whatnot... This is a nogo I asume.
@@gamesman0118 Different product I assume. What is "small", for the delivery speed and payload desired.
You guys need to go higher. Under 400ft there’s little room for error. Try 800 - 1200ft it’s as if the aircraft enters a different dimension of sound up there.
Most interesting 26 minutes 22 seconds I have spent in a long time - thank you!
Its amazing that Adam still remains just as amazed at things today as he did 20 years ago😂
Part of it is probably acting
@@JV-ll1cu Actually, he ain't acting! If he seems excited, he is excited! 😊
Workshop goals, honestly
what great engineering conversations on these Wing series
I love the concept of the slingshot drone used in many places, including In Africa for Medications.
yeah zipline are an awesome company too.
Yes, Mark Rober visited them I believe
Wing is doing great things to bring about the next iteration of the "delivery business". Adam (from Wing) is so good at explaining things, and as a side note, he's also an amazing pilot...🤘🤠
When you watch a "tested" video about something you know about (RC planes) you realize how annoying Adam Savage is. Let Woodworth talk, Savage. You're adding nothing to the conversation.
@@JohnSmith99562 He's just excited! Nothing wrong with that! 😅
Somebody needs to send this video to every single person who did ANY work on the V-22 Osprey.
Great to see the advancements! Fantastic view into the evolution of a game changing industry startup.
Thanks for the tour, do more Drone factory tour.
I can almost see Adam’s thought bubble- (With these materials I can make my Iron Man suit fly)
Don't give him any ideas! 😂 Although, he was probably thinking that!
I think the progression FROM full composite design TO hot-wire-cut foam is very interesting. Hot wire should be simpler for prototyping as well.
After thinking about her workflow, I feel like I have been standing on my head.
I want to start with the cheapest materials, and manufacturing because I feel like early on, I'm more likely to break, change, and scrap stuff. It feels like I don't want to allow myself the higher end stuff, until confidence will allow.
After listening to these conversations, I wonder if I'm thinking backwards. I am imagining they first solve the math, then design in CAD, then check math, and then build a model as close as possible to the digital one?
that wing shape and the four, square four bladed props mean i cant not see the C130H hidden amongst its design, which is beautifully appropriate for a cargo drone.
Thank you for sharing your joy with us! RC is so cool! 😎
Watching intelligent, rational people is so refreshing after hearing the mainstream media. This is like therapy.
I wonder if they tried an "Osprey" style vehicle. VTOL
These are VTOL, but I'm guessing you're asking about rotating props
Such a cool facility! I wish the drones I worked on were that quiet. And having frangible parts is very clever!
GREAT VIDEO ,IM 59 AND 50 OF THOSE YEARS IN R/C AND STILL AT IT LOVE ALL MODELS ,TOYS ,GADGETS,ELECTRONICS JACK OF ALL THINGS AND MASTER OF NONE! ITS ALL ABOUT HAVIN FUN! NEVER GROW UP!
Fascinating....so cool! Awesome to see the engineering process. The future is here...
Hope to deliver to you one day soon! 📦
They are definitely covering all the bases with their design documentation and proven reliability. I see them gaining the upper hand in the US market unless we see some major developments from those like Zipline.
We'll never have to leave our pod's again...Yaaaay!
This is very cool, and Julia and (the other) Adam do a great job explaining the challenges.
Brilliant what a thoughtful walk through of the engineering process. Loved every minute of it as someone who grew up with RC back in the 80's
Fascinating! It's like the Wright Brothers all over again!
Exciting times for aviation!
I'm still not seeing a common use for these particular aircraft. I can see certain use cases like delivering medicine or cases where urgency is important. I don't envision these being used for delivering groceries or even fast food. I think the support and packaging issues will make them impractical. They're too small to deliver a weekly grocery order and too complicated and risky for a $5 dollar purchase. I think it is easier to load up a truck with many orders and deliver them to the neighborhood. Drones require good weather, charging, flight planning, packaging of the item and more. This is early in the development process so maybe as the platforms evolve it will make more sense. We had a couple of Walmart stores using drones near us. I saw them routinely shut down for weather and nobody was using them. I'm sure drones are in our future, but I think it will take a big step from what we are seeing in this video.
this is one of the most interesting vids ive seen on youtube
Loved this, it unpicks something I was taught, that all noise is wasted energy but you can see that its not quite as simple as that. Also reminds me of the automobile cooling fans, some of which have offset blades to counter noise issues.
Julia's audio is so bright but also deep. Sounds like a whole different device, but I love the sound quality. Can somebody fill me in on which is used? Joey?
Unfortunately we ran into a bit of an audio snag, and had to process and adjust her audio a little differently and with a little more care. Im happy to hear that it sounds acceptable!
@JoeyFameli aah right, well good job there! And thanks for explaining 🙏
@@JoeyFameli It was immediately clear she sounds different indeed. (reason for me to check the comments) But she sounds, albeit somewhat out of place, very good! 👌Lovely video. Thanks!
Came here to say that her audio was probably taken from Adam's lav and run through an AI enhancer. I appreciate the extra little reverb the team added to place it in the room!
@@JoeyFameli She sounds extremely clear and comes across very well. Good job.
Great video. Love the support to the community.
Amazing! Loved building stick/tissue planes as a young boy. All ended up as crashes! Wonderful sculptures! But, this is a whole new level of inventions! Didn't even know that this delivery system was being developed! Winds here on the Oregon coast might be a developmental hurdle? Thanks for this interview/demonstrations. Loved it!
11:30 Yeah I'll strongly reject the idea that because my neighbours order stuff that I inherently won't mind a drone flying around my house.
True, but I think the statement was really meant to say you won't mind noise at your neighbors because it's the same system that often delivers to you. At least, that's how I took it.
Noise is always going to be an issue, and everyone perceives it differently. For now though, I would welcome these drones, even the noisy ones, because they are still quieter than the gas-powered trucks they would replace.
Even after the entire terrestrial fleet is replaced with electric trucks, the other big benefit I see to these drones is that they won't be racing around my neighborhood streets the way the truck drivers do, endangering people and wearing out the road (some of which is gravel, and so particularly quick and easy to damage by speeding).
Honestly, while I have my qualms about filling the skies with thousands of these delivery drones, I think there's a lot of ways that they are just inherently better for the public than trucks, and that would justify not even worrying too much about the whole noise question. So I'm impressed that they are doing a lot of work to resolve concerns about that too.
Awesome job! Incredible interview, Much appreciated. Would be good to see current operation status update.
love nerding out ! with Adam......
Same 😎
I love these kinds of videos...🙆♂️
@25:22 , as they are discussing noise levels, an actual bird casually flies by in perfect silence 😅
So when will it fly itself? I still would find the sound annoying if I was in my backyard. For delivery to places like hospitals or for working in disaster zones delivering supplies. I just can imagine not needing gps, and using the location of the sun and landmarks for them to deliver like honeybees. Could imagine just turning on the other propellers just for a second or two during flight might pull it away from a collision or gunfire. curious if they have the option to swap out batteries like you would for a battery powered tool.
"When will it fly itself?" It already does. With enough dedication to the configuration, even a diy hobbyist drone can perform an entire flight from takeoff to landing without input from an operator. The only reason a company like Wing would have a "pilot" overseeing the operation is for legal requirements, the FAA does not like fully autonomous systems.
While visual landmark navigation may certainly be possible with the advancement of ai vision systems, there's simply little need for it. GPS relies only on the existence of the satellites to function, it does not matter if it's in a disaster zone or not. The only time GPS becomes unusable is if someone decides to jam the radio frequency that the satellites are transmitting on.
Dodging gunfire is a rather difficult thing, bullets are very small and very fast. Tracking them from far enough out to be able to dodge it is a tall ask with current tech. Avoiding collisions, however, is very much already in current use via AI vision systems from companies like Iris Automation.
The batteries on all drones are swappable, it'd be silly if they weren't. I don't know if these click into place like the ones on a power tool, but that's a simple matter of mechanical engineering to make it that way if minimizing turnaround times is a priority over the weight savings of not having that system.
I'm pretty sure I saw a pixhawk flight controller when they were discussing the boilerplate Avionics setup at the start of the video. I can also see they got tags in the landing zone, so they might be employing some form of computer vision for precise landings.
You could have a plane that launches vertically with big wings that fold back, climbs really high over the home base, then extends the wings and glides most of the way to the destination. That way most of the noise only occurs above the distribution center.
Glitch in the matrix at 3:20. And again at 3:48.
Great video sir 😊
Problem is i would have to fight the urge to steal the delivery drone after ordering something, i just love rc stuff.
If you watch one of the previous videos, or maybe it was on Slow-Mo, you'll see how strong and smart the drones are when someone tries pulling on the cord.
I suspect theft and vandalism is another reason to make them quieter, too. Folks under the flight path will be less likely to notice, and even if they do they'll have way less time to get gunshots off (bullet or EMP or whatever) at it.
Looks really cool
The quiet version sounds like a tie fighter!
Somebody really likes propellers. Looks like a fun job
cool cool stuff Adam.
Still not sure how well this will work delivery wise, but it's really interesting technology and problem solving !!!
I can imagine the day will come when advertisers want to put on ads on the planes, then they'll want them to be loud enough to attract attention 🙂
Oh please, don’t give them ideas. . . . 😮
Cool, a jammer of some sort will provide me with spare parts for free for my drone!
It's possible, though a speaker will be an easy way to add that back in.
Drone delivery is one of those fanciful dreams that is never going to happen. The future is going to be much simpler like it always turns out to be.
Mark Rober did a segment about Drone delivery system Zipline that uses whisper quiet propellers, I wonder if they've tried those or if they know about them?
Thanx Adam and the Crew from Wing. Fascinating and oh so innovative! 💙🌻💙
Thanks for watching!
I wonder if they have thought about or tried a Toroidal propeller
Had this same thought! Maybe it'd reduce noise
yay now hobbiest drone users have to put tags on our drones and fly under the tree line, thanks so much!
Is this the Ron Swanson of drones?
You know Adam I get it, you get excited and hyped when you really like the subject but you have to let people talk and explain without interrupting. I react to this because this is just like work when people that are fast talkers interrupting me when I am explaining something important for them, annoying AF. Love you, keep it up
I noticed it cut away when the delivered package touched the ground. Breaking that situation down mechanically, if the drone winch can't detach itself that means the customer would have to detach the winch. That's a problem.
Here is a video of the package touching down as well as additional information about our hook & tether system. No action is needed from a customer to receive a delivery, only a clear space on their property abou the size of picnic blanket with clear vertical access to the airspace above. 👍
Im in two minds as to whether I like the whole concept of drone delivery but I get it. What interests me more is how the SW works, very clever stuff going on there.
Wonder why a blimp style is not used for more silent flight?
Good question! You're right, blimps and other balloon-style aircraft *are* the quietest man-made aircraft. My guess is they went with wings and propellers for maneuverability or wind resistance reasons. Though blimps are very quiet, they turn slowly and can get pushed off course much more easily by the wind.
Flying along with the wind a blimp could likely get close to the speed of a drone, and do it almost silently. But flying across or against a strong wind current they'd go much slower compared to winged aircraft. And for a delivery service like this to fulfill customer orders all over an area, they need aircraft that can go any direction from the launch site as quickly and efficiently as possible, and also return to home base quickly for the next load.
wow I didn't know they were so small, I thought they were huge platforms. still nice af though!
Adam, nice to see you are doing some work with Gav Free.
Possibly your best video to date!
I wonder if one could spread out the noise spectrum even more by modulating the rpm at a random rate.
was her Mic brand new ? sounded so much different
Yeah, I started way back in 2010 doing this stuff no one knew what a drone was then 😂
this place doesnt happen to be in New Jersey does it?
I almost feel like these things should have little sound systems on them that actually broadcast music, because you can't make them less loud, but you can make them less annoying. I wonder how light you could make an audio system that would broadcast frequencies that would harmonize with the propellers in a way that left the result much more pleasant.
Noise cancelling on the fly.
0:54 hahaha love that yours still using a pixhawk. Go for the control zero 3DR now makes. Adam, visit 3DR in San Diego. All the components that go in drones we design, manufacture and assemble in San Diego
That is an early prototype test platform from roughly 10 years ago. Our current drones in service use custom designed hardware & Software 👍
@@Wing Custom Software based on something existing, or completely custom? If the latter: Can you go into why?
Rivetingly brilliant.
Sure, ONE of them is quiet. 30 of the blooming things zipping over your house... not so silent.
Have they considered trying noise cancellation? Seems it should be pretty straightforward to figure out, seeing as how you only have two different frequencies on each plane to deal with.
What was their reason that they did not go for a tilting system, thus saving on weight and distance endurance??
Interesting and very clever. And I'm glad they have tried to make their vehicles quieter. But they are making more plastic things that we'll have to figure out how to recycle. And living in a quiet small town with so far only occasional drone noise, I don't want to hear these vehicles multiple times a day. Because what happens when "You get used to it," is that your sensorium is shuttered and you become less sensitive to sounds altogether. Reduced is not enough. They need to make their machines silent. How about ornithopters?
A conflicting video for me. On one hand, this is an amazing episode: watching calm, rational, intelligent folks discuss a subject aligned with my interests is delightful!
On the other hand I feel like an old man yelling at clouds... drone delivery is intrusive even if it's silent. The drones will become ubiquitous to the point of annoying and then fade into the background, possibly like how cars at first were. And then when we adapt to their presence it's just One. More. Thing. that's breaking up the space available to seek solace.
All in the chase of money.
_"drone delivery is intrusive even if it's silent."_ -- true, but then so is delivery in general. It remains to be seen, but it's my belief that these will wind up being a net positive as compared to the current situation, even accounting for the fact that delivery trucks will eventually all be electric.
I just got an idea from your dino vide! You coud make an arthropleura as an rc animal and maby so you can ride it, maby in the real size!! Woud be funny haha
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This is a great video. The only problem Io have with it is I don't like or trust any drones accept ones controlled by a human at all times. And use for such things as drone racing, news broadcasting, filming or a person having fun. Those are just a few examples of how I am ok with a drone. Any unmanned drone I will never trust for any reason but there could be an acceptation such as a person setting up way points. Such as to help a farmer survey their farm land as one example. But any unmanned drone never controlled by a human I will never like or trust ever.
Probably shouldn't try aerial deliveries in the Southern US. Too easy of a target. 😅
Another reason to get them as quiet as reasonably possible without losing efficiency, IMO. Can't shoot what you don't know is there, and the less time you're aware of it before it's out of range the better.
I have just that one question, why not use turbines on those planes for cruise, wouldn't they be more efficient and maybe even more quiet? I mean some electrical turbines like often used for model planes.
I'm curious why they didn't go with a design more similar to an Osprey, I feel like it would be more efficient and aerodynamic then having seperate propellers at the top causing more air resistance. Still cool regardless tho
"Tiltrotors" as they are known are, for lack of a better term, a total pain in the ass. The osprey does it by being two entire helicopters in a tilting trenchcoat: each rotor has it's own independent cyclic controls to adjust propeller pitch and directional thrust. So complicated! So fragile!
There's a simpler way of doing it, a so called "quadplane" where it has four rotors but only the front two must tilt. This allows you to use simpler motors and propellers, they can be basic fixed pitch stuff like the ones on these Wing drones. The tradeoffs are, you still have two dead motors to carry in forward flight, the front propellers must be halfway optimized for both hover (static thrust) and forward flight (dynamic thrust), the transition between the two modes of flight is a much more complex problem as the tilting motors are having to handle double duty at that moment, and from a reliability perspective any failure on a tilting motor means immediate termination of flight (ie, crashing).
Some drone companies do go with the tilting quadplane style, but I think it's a complicated compromise with little actual benefit.
doesn't the military have silent drones with c4?
They demonstrate the noise while carrying no payload. People in the US focusing on fast food delivery as important.
Super!
These look like the drones that freak out citizens in New Jersey last week and this week.
So, what about tilt rotors?
Darn interesting.
cool project, but....
i am a paraglider and i am concerned about the conflict with these drones. i assume these are not operated ba a human. what flight rules does this drone follow?. Paragliders are bound to VFR. also Paragliders would have priortity as they have no engine. would the drone make way?
Heres a solution that needs regulation. Either, They only travel on roadways. OR Safety zones are quarantined from the drones, like how Airports are darkzones to drones, so should or can be park areas for Gliders like yourself. Typically Gliders are not in major urban areas. you wouldnt want to crash into joe's house.
Great video Adam although, would have liked to see less video focusing on the guy talking about the aircraft and more shots of the actual aircrafts while he is explaining it
Years ago, an outdoor music venue received a bunch of complaints about noise, so they got a guy to go out and test the level...When he tried to get a reading during a show, he had trouble getting anything definitive because road noise, dogs barking, and crickets chirping were louder than the concert at that distance.....people cherry pick their annoyances
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one reason why i hate these drone delivery companies is that Amazon and Google have for more than 7 years hired Lobbyists to kill our RC flying hobby so they can have the airspace for drone delivery to them self´s. Other than that i support drone solutions but not drone delivery. Sure i dont live in USA but what happens in USA and FAA will one year later happen in Europe, we have seen it for 7 years now. see and feel how our hobby is getting crushed by Amazon and Google. so i boycott them as much as i can. and i can say proudly, i just shopped one time at Amazon the last 7 years...
When the airways are owned by delivery corporations, that will be the end of hobbyist RC =( I can see the future and it isn't good.
The math is basically the same just in scale is the difference. Why didn't they build Helicopters?
Helicopters are not efficient in fast forward flight. So everyone is trying to have drone that can take off vertically and fly like a plane horizontally
Would be cool if you could shine the light on the other end of this: the FAA/Amazon/etc is legislating the Rc plane hobby out of existence because of “drones” all to free up the airspace we occupy for this hypothetical unproven business that will only work in the ideal weather. All the balsa kit makers and tinkerers are being forced to comply with rules and regulations when an Rc plane never caused any of the problems they cite for these laws. I hope no commercial drone delivery service ever becomes successful
Having lived on both sides of this argument, as an RC hobbyist and former drone company employee... I think the FAA hates everyone pretty equally. Just as they make it hard for hobbyists to enjoy a safe recreation, they also make it very hard for drone companies to provide actually useful services or easily scale, due to BVLOS rules and RPIC requirements.
Please explain how the landing pads are used. Clearly something similar to QR coding.
We almost have every thing the Jetsons did 😂
Thganks.
Ah, it's you guys in the News! (Cool Stuff) Why the "SECRET", …the diversion?
0:05 *Mostly in Ukraine. 🇺🇦 ❤️
Can’t wait for Lockheed Martin to get a hold of this!
Sweet... i can't fly my freestyle quad without getting arrested, so this can fail... Is there an "iteration cliff" thats to say a place where you all say, "ok this is a bad idea, there is no flying machine that can deliver packages reliably while being visually and religiously invisible..."
cool engineering, but I don't want these noisy things flying around. Also there is a ton of nofly zones in my area, imagine living under a bottleneck and these thing are constantly flying over your house