A Deep Dive Into Anime Fanservice
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- One of most people's biggest complaints about anime is the abundance of fanservice. But what is it? And is it always bad? Let's take a deep dive into anime fanservice and find out.
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0:00 What Is Fanservice?
2:17 The Birth of Fanservice
4:51 The Rise of Gainax
9:05 Why Is Fanservice Popular?
12:44 Fire Force (Mild Spoilers)
23:14 Food Wars
26:20 The Fall of Gainax
29:25 Kill la Kill (Mild Spoilers)
36:22 The Problem With Fanservice
40:44 Thanks For Watching
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The thing that really turns me off of fanservice is the recurring theme of “against their will”. SOOOO much fanservice in anime is women being exposed, groped, viewed, or straight up assaulted against their will, and it’s always played for lighthearted fun. Even shows where fanservice fun is the entire point focus mainly on girls being unwillingly sexualized, with male consequences (if any) portrayed as a simple punchline.
Female characters who are proactively sexual seem to be rare (not nonexistent, but heavily outnumbered by sexy girls who don’t want to be sexualized).
10000000% it's disgusting for the most part and people who unironically sit there drooling at it at are fucking weirdos imo
Yes but in most of those cases, the pervert doing those things are gonna get slapped across the face, kicked in the nuts, or send flying and spinning into a nearby wall.
Unless the offender is Yujiro Hanma…
That's due to the general air in Japan for several years now. Women got to a point where they were allowed to be something other than a housewife. So the desire for men decreased, they were less necessary. Then being sexually repressed (is that the word?), the men just get more and more into depravity. Which coincidentally pushes women away more. All this made worse by far too many expectations as far as school and poor working conditions, and you've got a looot of guys unwilling to grow up. Small wonder Japan has one of, if not the worst sex and birth rates. Like even when BDSM can become common fashion, with a big kink culture, pps are very dry.
Anyway yea, that's why the force and discomfort exists. A woman actually being interested or consenting is "unrealistic" to many Japanese viewers.
YES! This is the main reason why I don't like most fanservice! I feel like a lot of people think people have a problem with fanserbicebecause they have a problem with sexy things in general, when in reality, a lot of fanservice is just flat out sexual harassment or a camera ogling the cast without them doing anything sexual themselves. It comes off as really creepy, especially if you have been sexually harassed yourself (I haven't, but other people have). I have seen some anime where the female character is openly flirtatious/sexualizing herself rather than being sexualized, as well as the pervy camera shots showing that the MC is attracted to his love interest, both of which I have no issue with
This prob why Darkness from Konosuba is so refreshing to see because she was willing and proud horny and both of her characteristics r used for humor and fan service, and audience love her for it. It shows that it's not that impossible and bad to write willing horny female characters.
Kill la Kill was so ridiculous, wacky and fun. That I forgot the characters are all skimpy. Props to the Anime that made Sexy look actually Cool.
its also self aware and almost goes so far to make a statement about clothing in society. It feels tongue in cheek rather than doing it for views.
it was the first anime I ever watched lol I feel so nostalgic thinking back on that..... ima go rewatch it, its been a few years
@@dashman8499 yas
"Plot" vs Plot
@@RiskyRage for me it was the second one :) maybe i should rewatch it too, it's been so long
One of my favorite obscure facts about Evangelion, is that plug suits weren't originally going to be those skintight latex suits. But Yoshiyuki Sadamoto, the character designer, wanted to see the cosplays of girls in the tight suits. He mentions it in his art book, Der Mond. It just further shows how horny that team was.
based W yoshiuky???????///;//;./
that is... disgusting
Bruh aren't they like 14? tf???
if i remember correctly theyre like 16-18 (im pretty sure they wouldnt have put a scene of a underage guy raping an underage girl), but its still incredibly fucked up.@@yeetrepublic9142
Now I'm curious what ideas they had for the plug suits before they made them skintight.
multiple times during this video your couch looks like a censor bar for the background footage. Made me chuckle!
“I don’t care if age is just a number. That number is 911, you should be in F-ing prison” absolutely amazing line!
It looks like The Maid I Hired Recently is Mysterious (Saikin Yatotta Meido ga Ayashii) didn't get that memo unfortunately.
So Elaine from 7ds is fine because she’s over 1000 years old? 💀
This is my exact sentiment about the people who talk about Milim from Tensei Slime.
"That's you MF they are making fun of you" is second best
The "1000 year old loli dragon" trope absolutely needs to die. Personally I find the sexualizing of characters that either are or appear to be pre puberty viscerally the worst. Teenage characters that are drawn with more adult sexual characteristics are more of a gray zone, but good god can't everyone at least agree not to do fan service that could only possibly appeal to child predators??
A whole deep dive into fanservice without even mentioning Highschool DxD, well played 👏👏
Or even saying the word "ecchi", if I recall correctly.
He does show a youtube screenshot with it in the title near the end. Still did well to only keep it to that
it's a little concerning, that I recognised it even when i didn't expect it@@Ethan-Entah
pretty sure boobs are the point of that show
thats not fanservise thats hentai
I like how his background changes to the time of his video..beginning being sunny and the end being night
The real takeaway from this video is the beginning of the 'Lextorias sitting on a couch' arc.
It'll be the second most famous black couch on the internet
@@Lextorias "don't you mean first?" *remembers*
Should gradually change poses every video
@@Lextorias You should have provided fanservice yourself. At least a shirt with the word on it. 😆
I'm glad this video is doing numbers. Keep it up, man.
I genuinely laughed at the _"... how does that even happen"_ in the list of fan service. If there is one thing we know about anime its that it will never let physics get in the way of a good bit of fan service. Be it a breeze that only affect women's clothing to a fall ending up with the male protagonist's face in a crotch regardless of starting orientation or distance.
it does contribute to the plot eventually somewhat
I mean, from what I recall, that is literally a supernatural trait of hers
@quetzalpacheco Same idea. Like when people say anime doesn't portray realistic women. I think about that. Why would people look for realistic portrayals in anime (unless the series claims to be). Though that's just me. Probably because I just think of anime as just dumb fun most of the time and don't think about it too deep most of the time.
The problem about fanservice is that this kind of fanservice is often *for* men. So are women really being empowered? Or are men just applauding for women being naked and trying to rationalize it?
Good video! I AM a bit disappointed that you don’t get into the probably the biggest reason people hate fan service: consent and intent. Literally nobody complains about Julia or Faye from Cowboy Bebop dressing sexy. They presumably chose their own outfits and are grown ass ladies expressing their own sexuality. Even Dress Up Darling is about a girl choosing to dress sexy.
But 90% of anime fan service is done in spite of the characters wishes in ways that often parallel uncomfortable ways girls/women are sexualized against their wishes in real life. It’s not fun for female watchers or even just like me who wishes to see boobs without feeling like I’m party to SA. Ugh.
Edit: spelling/autocorrect
Also, Faye's skimpy outfit matches her character. She is a femme fatale who weaponizes her sex appeal to get what she wants.
@@hoangquanle3310 I mean, yeah, that but also she’s a huge dork and a sleezeball! The ‘femme-fatale’ trope can be a little overused in of itself as just an excuse for fan service of its own kind…
But I mentioned Feye because Bebop is SO good at character
@@DOOMsword7 Good point
I wouldn't say that's the _biggest_ reason, in the sense of it being the main reason for the majority of folks who dislike it. Not even by a long shot. Now, I'll concede that it's _the most important_ reason for a certain demographic that needs to constantly virtue signal lest they get thrown under the bus by the company they've chosen to keep. But for the rest of us normies, it's really about the incessant immaturity of the whole thing. A constant barrage of ridiculous, unrealistic, contrived situations leading to sexually awkward moments may have appeal to the younger crowd, but it's humour on the same level as poop and fart jokes. Which I'd hope anyone has outgrown by the time they're out of high school.
I remember watching Kill La Kill and Ryuko being extremely embarrassed when she transformed. Throughout the show she learns to accept Senketsu and embrace her power growing as character. I don't know, seeing a lot of crazy fanservice in anime that just felt forced, it was pretty interesting to see the whole trope flipped on its head. Sits as one of my favourite shows because of it.
Still makes me uncomfortable how she was reluctantly forced until it, rather than it being her choice and becoming more comfortable on her own will.
I actually kinda like that aspect because it’s deconstructing the fan service trope to show that the average school girl would actually be really embarrassed by wearing an outfit like that. Mostly though that show just makes my breasts hurt every time one of the girls transforms because of the visual of the bust straps tightening hard across the breasts, that looks seriously uncomfortable.
@@cathygrandstaff1957 I think the embarassment should still be there, yes.
But, I think it should be her choice to wear the outfit, like "I know its super embarassing, and I will be mocked for it, but I need it"
Then throughout the series, she becomes more comfortable in her skin, instead of being forced to accept it.
@@cielbie8251 have you even watched kill la kill???
Bad fanservice bad, good fanservice good.
Am I wrong?
Ok this feels like the best place to explain the reason why I’ve always hated the “falls and accidentally gropes girl” trope, not because it’s overdone, but because that would be so painful. My first thought would not be to slap someone, but to shrivel up in pain.
So true! Honestly I'd probably start swinging not because of the grope but because hanging onto just a boob for balance seriously would be so painful! What do they think boobs are made of??
@@4swordsluver they straight up think they’re water ballons
RIGHT? If you fall, please for the love of God do not clutch my boob. It is not as stable as you think it is, I am not as strong as you think I am, and we are now both going to hit the floor and frankly you owe me an apology. If you can grab my boob, you can grab my shoulder. Alternatively, fall.
dude i always hated that shit, like why can’t you watch where you’re going. and WHY DO THEY GRIP SO HARD AND STARE AT HER BOOBS OR PANTIES???
Exactly! I never understood how it was supposed to be any bit pleasant for the female.
“Oh I’m gonna trip and fall and my hands are gonna squeeze your breasts so tight they sink into them.” Like ow, no don’t do that. Or the whole “Falling and face plants into underwear.” One? You’re just gonna head but her crotch
As someone who was shamed a lot for any display of sexuality throughout my life, Kill la Kill will always be my favorite show just for how unapologetic it is. How i felt when i saw it's nudity and sexuality shown as something cool and empowering rather than shameful, silly or degrading (those aspects reserved to poke fun at the horny audience, rather) will forever be in my heart as one of the best experiences i had woth media. I rarely reqatch things, but ive rewatched KLK three times and i will be rewatching it again. So, yeah.
no i think youre just addicted to porn
I always felt the series was more about Ryuko's relationships with others and ultimately her relationship with herself, and the fanservice was more played for laughs. I'm still confused as to what exactly Trigger is trying to get at about clothing in the show. I assume it's about empowerment, but there's just so little to go off of to come to that conclusion, imo. It's just not really laid out well enough.
@@TheConspiratoristJust like the clothing the sexuality is used for several things.
Sometimes the characters being nude is played for laughs.
Sometimes its to show them as vulnerable
Sometimes its to show they are strong.
Its been a while since i’ve watched it so I can’t give specific examples. But yeah, its more clever than it often gets credit for
It's about a nearly naked schoolgirl, it's weird
I ain’t readin’ allat
I'm so happy that you talked about Kill La Kill. Loved that anime, especially because it's not that standard fanservice, but things like Satsuki absolutely owning her appeal and nudity.
Really liked the video.
It's encouraging to see more creators engaging with fanservice beyond the horny bad/horny good binary that this topic tends to encourage.
And thanks for the shout out!
I’m glad you liked it!
Your series on Kill la Kill was definitely what inspired me to take a deeper look at the whole topic. You voiced an opinion on that show I agreed with, but couldn’t articulate. So hearing your points allowed me to express my own on what I thought about fanservice as a whole.
Though it is honestly crazy how few videos there are actually talking about any of this. Hopefully more people can take deeper looks into the topic or share videos with nuance on it, because without scrutiny it can’t change for the better.
Sexy fanservice makes me cringe, it seems as if the anime/manga was written for/by incels and detracts from its story/artistry. If i wanted T&A, i'd just watch porn.
It's nice to see non-horny fan service!
True
It's too bad that this wasn't able to come out after studio triggers' new cyberpunk show
Can I just say that the fanservice for male characters is totally different than the female characters that I wouldn't really call it fanservice? You'll never see a male character get accidentally "groped" and feel humiliated for it. Or male parts jiggle and a close up of their skintight bums while their faces blush? It ain't sexy, it's just a trip to the local gym lol. I want better fanservice for male characters, truly.
Yeah, some people love to argue that men are equally sexualized because some appear shirtless or muscular like in dragon ball, as if that's supposed to cater to women in any way
It's because people express their satisfaction differently due to nature.
Women typically have visually softer bodies, of course grow in such a way due to potential motherhood, leading to maternal instincts and how babies react to their mothers bodies, which naturally follows us (and gets exaggerated) into adulthood.
Men's bodies on the other hand are built differently from women, since the natural stereotype is that we're typically the iron walls since we're stronger.
Now imagine that kind of jiggling around on a man. That wouldn't be taken in a way that can be read as maternal baby fat that a woman has and by extension perfectly fit for parenthood. That would be taken as a man being lazy or unfit.
@@mrdoctorjr6999 Well, you don't control who's allowed to like your work and for what reason.
@@mrdoctorjr6999 They're made specifically for *teenaged boys*
The male fanservice you want is generally relegated to yaoi hentai. Oh, and bara. It's less common, but, when it does appear, it's like there's an unspoken rule of how it's either non-existent or dialed up to 100. There's no chill.
In reference to mrdoctorjr: If you'd quit bringing up something like DBZ, we'd get somewhere. Shows like Free!, Diabolik Lovers, Black Butler, Dramatical Murders, Fushigi Yuugi, Yona of the Dawn, and Hakuouki are more honest examples, and they've been cropping up more and more. It appears to mirror the increase of female manga/anime viewership in Japan. Anime, game, and manga producers want to make money, and try and organically react to fluctuating consumer base in order to make said money.
Just wanna say, the history of Ginnax is so wild, thank you for giving a very small sample of it. For an added bonus: if I remember right, before anime, they primarily worked in bootleg and fan games. I’m pretty sure this included the legendary Titenic, but that might be wrong lol also, yes, ALL of these games were pure, unadulterated, completely nude servings of service
honestly, fanservice to me isn’t actually that horrible of a thing if it doesn’t disrupt the plot. however, i draw the line at where most fan service lies: with teenage girls
it’s straight up NOT cool to see underage girls in sexual lights, it makes me wildly uncomfortable, and the way it’s excused so often just upsets me, because this stuff just normalizes attraction to underage girls by showing it in media so often.
It’s insane to me that there are some people that defend the nudity and weird fetish scenes in Made in Abyss. I love the show and it’s amazing, but it’s so unnecessary. And they’re LITERAL CHILDREN.
Agree.
Underage teenage me would have defended that with my life
Teenage girls specifically? So I guess sexualizing underage boys is cool then.
@grinko1222 no??? not what i said. i will admit, i neglected to think abt boys, but that’s because most fanservice is of girls. obv, its not okay to sexualize *anyone* who is underage.
The most offputting part of fanservice for me is when it’s inappropriately done to extremely underage looking female characters… and the quickest example I can give is No Game No Life
Yeah, I had to stop watching No game No life because I couldn't stand watching how much they sexualized the underaged characters.
@@arcadesrstillcool3778 I was able to ignore it because I had a lot of fun with the concept of that series and the animation was beautiful... but holy heck do i understand why people give up on it :(
K-ON. I love that show to no end but the way Sawako acts around these high schoolers is incredibly uncomfortable and I don't know how it got past the censors.
Or having fan service in EXTREMELY inappropriate moments. Best example I can give is Sword art online’s sexual assault scenes.
@@arcadesrstillcool3778 underaged charachter*, no more no less, only 1. Though yeah too fanserviced, like all the time Seph was on the screen and whenever. I only watched it cuz the concept was neat, it being determined by games and you didnt know what to expect. Believe it has fanservice aswell for it being targetted/output to japan n not westerners, we see fanservice often in top anime so it shows its working and people are degenartes. Having sexual desires are normal n sex sells, social media proves it by showing off their body with recent popular dances. im sry to inform thats just how the world works
Fun fact, a decent chunk of the buzz/hum impact sounds from Fire Force are just a really warped version of the "Bruh" sound effect
B R U H
ok so like why is fire force my favorite anime i can't watch?
My problem with a lot of the fanservice i see is that it's basically assault treated like a joke, and when you identify with a female character to see them being treated like that and made fun of... It's not funny, it reflects how you're being viewed as a whole, and it sucks. sure it can be fun and cool, but most of the time it isn't
Shoujo, Seinen and a couple of other Anime genre’s do the fanservice where that doesn’t happen to the Female character where she’s not an assault joke, they either have agency in their sexiness or the show don’t have any at all particularly Seinen Anime’s, so it sounds to me you gotta stop watching what’s popular or mainstream and try venturing out.
brother, age ratings existed for a reason.
Age rstings should never exist in all history
I think it also bears mentioning that a lot of the arguments against fan service aren’t against sexuality in media, but rather specifically, the objectification of women, and portraying sexual harassment as something that is funny or light hearted. I see a lot of people not realizing that watching someone being objectified, can make the viewer feel objectified.
And these people we call neets twist those words and turn it on us, trying to portray us as if we’re against the sexualization of women.
I don't really like how one sided it is, though. A woman can be shown wearing revealing clothing and that is considered "objectification", but a man can be shirtless, musclebound, even actively groped or sexually abused (hit to the nuts etc) and there is just silence about that.
@@_Lumiere_ You know damn well the subtle message of those two situations most of the times, don't act as if they are exposed the same way
@@_Lumiere_ Well, that would be a double standard, I guess.
But, it's 2022, those are a trend now.
@@broom9155 explain the message please
The last time fanservice seriously put me off was Fire Force. I’m no prude but something about the “against her will” element really turned me off to the point of finding it unbearable. the scenes with Tamaki border on sexual harassment as she is undressed and groped; She cries and feels humiliated. it’s not like it’s fun for her… I’m not usually too bothered by fanservice but I can say this one actually kind of disturbed me
the fanservice in fire force is such a shame cause it's such a dope story if you just...ignore tamaki as a whole lol
yeah i was actually really interested in the story and the fight scenes were super cool, i enjoyed watching the show but holy fuck i could not make it past tamaki. such a shame.
The Fire Force fan service is wild. While in Soul Eater (made by the same person) I have no problem with.
Yea I usually skip her scenes. Also she isn’t an important character from what I’ve seen so far so I have no problem fast forwarding. The only good scenes with her was like fight toward the end of the last season.
I think a good anime for you to watch with nothing like that is redo of healer
You do a good job touching on a lot, the history was good to learn, and I liked the examples you used.
A point I was hoping to see explored more was Fanservice as Sexual Assault. You come close to it through other points but I feel it's a big part of the discussion and issues surrounding the topic.
F as SA usually comes up in darker "I'm 14 and this is deep" shows like Gantz and Mirai Nikki, but also is most of the fanservice in Berserk which is a fascinating example because it's an actually deep metanarrative comprised entirely of shallow elements. Even when F as SA serves the obvious purpose of villainizing a villain, it's often indulged to the point of gratuity and might as well have been any other crime for all the narrative weight and lasting impact it usually has. Where Berserk is able to distinguish itself is with narrative weight and acknowledging that only twisted and perverted people become monsters to begin with, which is enough to mostly validate the subtrope despite also making almost every apostle and monster a sexual organ with a face.
Berserk had weight to it in the initial arcs, but by the time we got to Rape Horse and The Trolls, any narrative weight flew straight out the window
When reading the title and seeing the thumbnail I did not expect something so deep and thoughtful and yet so engaging. Its simply stunning how nuanced and deeply you were able to portray a topic like this and it seriously made me think. I also now understand, that I just didnt get kill la kill. Major props to your jurnalistic work. You, my man, have a gift. Please dont ever stop with content like this
watching as a woman kinda hurts cuz its like “oh shit sorry I forgot we’re objectified” like lmao i’m watching this to escape not to be reminded
agreed. it’s so hard to find an anime that isn’t glossed with the same air of misogyny, with the women always being saved by the men and being sexualised. characters being saved by others or being sexualised doesn’t have to be misogynistic and derogatory, but it always is because you’re reminded that as a woman you can never have the power or agency a man has.
what the fuck
YES. Guys don’t even *usually* conceptualize this because they don’t deal with seeing that kind of stuff everywhere, subconsciously telling you that you are not worth as much as a man. They can still watch it and have it be an escape. But when I watch an anime to “try and escape”, I’m just reminded yet again about how messed up things can be just because you’re born with a different organ. I like anime but this is actually what really puts me off of it. I want to use it as an escape too but when all you see is just more of what you hate in the real world, there is none. The ones that actually provide that for me are far and few between, and even then in some of those I find there are sometimes moments I have to look past to keep enjoying it.
@@HardFreckles I'm a guy and some of us definetely do realize it..and it's just as off putting for me as it is for you. Men and women are both stereotyped in most anime, usually the writer is male. I tend to prefer female writers in anime, they do a better job with both genders in my experience.
@@ninototo1 fma and has a 2 scenes of fan service in the entire show
I think it says a lot that you have people absolutely hounding over the women in series like Attack on Titan and Chainsaw Man, despite them having comparatively little fanservice. This is of course due a lot to their tone and target demographic being different, but I think lessons can be learned from this about how fans appreciate strong and interesting characters with big tits more than just big tits.
"Comparatively little fanservice" in chainsaw man?? Chainsaw man has ALOT of fanservice... it's just the fanservice is different than fanservice in other mangas.
@@freedom1667 i can only think of 2 chapters that might be considered fanservice in CSM which is the end of that whole bat devil arc and reze's bomb devil design but even then, except for reze's devil design, everything else can be considered as part of the plot since it ties into the character of denji and how he is.
@@icantthinkofagoodnameso1954 [Disclaimer: I'm currently reading it and am therefore only around chapter 55] At first I thought you were 'wrong' in some way. Of course CM doesn't show naked skin - except reze's pool scene - but it is kinda explicit in terms of teasing and intimacy... and I think some people would call this fanservice. But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that it is all connected to the plot. Denji's 1st motivation was to touch boobs. Why? Because he is a teenage boy. This is the premise we start with, the motive that keeps Denji going. And later Power, a demon without the same perception of feelings and sexuality as humans have it, uses this to teas Denji. Makima on the other hand uses it to manipulate Denji. Reze's nudity is part of Denji's development as a character and as a teenager and also part of her character. And let's not forget eyepatch girl that also uses it to motivate Denji and as a comedic element.
So yeah, I would not only say that the fanservice is non-explicit, but would go further and say that it is well used and integrated in the plot and story :)
Well WIT's art style did make all the female characters in AOT look way more beautiful than in the manga, but I get your point.
@@grey_m0nkey218 I take issue with your use of the word "kinda." CSM is VERY explicit about the sexual tension between characters. Whether or not someone counts this as "fanservice" depends on their own definition of the term. It may not be nudity, but I agree that the teasing scenes do give the audience a boner.
I'm going to talk a bit on how the teasing and secual tension helps the story. The story centers around Denji, a somewhat good natured and derpy teenager, being thrust into a very dark and grueling adult world. Many of those adults take advantage of him as a teenager, utilizing Denji's horny and impressionable nature to try and manipulate him for their own ends. This leads to the large amount of sexual tension as Denji slowly explores his own sexuality, desires, motivations, and many other factors as he grows up. This is literally a coming of age story being told in the most gritty manner possible, and a teenager learning to accept and deal with their horny nature is a necessary part of any of these stories. This is especially true for Denji, who, up to the beginning of the story, has had very little to observe in terms of people on which to model his own take on relationships. Now he is suddenly getting many different role models, love interests, and what not shoved into his face, and we get to witness his struggles with such things.
And this isn't even talking about the other half of the story about the nature of devils, fear, and the supernatural elements of the world of CSM. What a fantastic story.
Fan service being universally hated in anime is very typical tourist behaviour. The reason why its prolific in anime is because the grand majority actually enjoy it or dont care about it either way.
Imagine partaking in a type of media and hating one of the biggest cornerstones of the media but still partaking in it.
Its like complaining that books have words and then spending your life reading novels for fun.
First video I've seen of you, but it's like I'm watching an Ordinary Things video about anime. You have a very nice voice to listen to, don't devalue the information you're providing with unnessecary jokes, still manage to put some humor into it, and most importantly: did a lot of research.
Fun fact… I got my mom into anime when she was really sick one time, and I set it her up with my crunchy roll account with a few recommendations. She ended up eventually watching “food wars” and it is now her favorite anime 😂😂
oh noo...
Bruhhhhh my mom would commit crimes against the anime industry if she watched Food Wars. Catholic moms go crazy I guess
i mean food wars is half dudes exploding so it makes sense
insanely based
Food wars is good fan service, there I said it. Also based mom.
The fake ad juke was glorious, subbed.
Also I've ran into nude calendars locally as well, some for firefighters raising money for their station and one for college girls into the outdoors raising money for... body positivity? It was entirely organized by women and was very weird to hear my friends proud of participating in it.
Lots of people sexualize things, not always on purpose, for many reasons like to raise awareness or popularity and it speaks to the darker aspects of human nature that it's seen as okay at all let alone certain situations.
The darker aspects? Its totally normal to find other people sexually attractive. Using sexuality to raise awareness or raise money for a good cause? You think that's a dark part of being human?
I always enjoyed the intention of the fan service in ghost in the shell. Motoko is often seen as inhuman and then they use it to confuse the viewer by reminding then of her sexuality. She will sometimes use this to get the upperhand or to test out a character's ideology.
I only remember her inexplicably wearing a swimsuit/underwear under a leather jacket throughout the entirety of the first season of Stand Alone Complex, whereas everyone else got to wear regular clothes. That did not service _me,_ as a fan.
Then in the second season she got to wear various outfits suitable for the situation. And when she tried to 'use her sexuality', it failed and she had to resort to physical violence. Haha.
I also remember reading in the notes for the first manga that Motoko looks like a generic sexbot to hide the fact that she's highly customised, so that she wouldn't get waylaid and stripped for her expensive parts. Justification for fan service I guess. But I keep thinking back to her being annoyed that some hospitalised military guy (colonel?) thought she was a soulless companion robot for Aramaki. What, wasn't that the point?
what's so weird to me is that fan-service is most frequently done in these slice of life anime's revolving around high school kids, like it would still be weird if they were adults buts its weird AND creepy that its so focused on what would be teenage girls.
Bro exactly. Like you have to imagine that there are LITERAL ADULTS behind these scenes, whether that be male or female :/
As long as the character is not drawn to resemble an 8 year old, its fine to just age up those characters in your head and appreciate the fan service, after all the main reason those characters have the age 15-17 slapped onto them is to have an excuse to put them in a uniform. I think the real problem is how some anime sexualize characters that are clearly meant to depict very young kids with the excuse being that they're 1000 or whatever, but when it comes to shows dress up darling for example there is nothing wrong with waifuing up Marin, like yeah they made her 16 for no reason but shes clearly drawn as an adult.
Thank you! Somebody said it! I felt like I was taking crazy pills.
@@lilbirb082Umm...you do realize there is a huge issue w/pedophilia in anime, right? You're not "aging" anything up, you're sexualizing infancy and its symbols. These are school uniforms! It's anime! You can literally create a university where people have to wear uniforms. Also, I agree on your point w/children, but a minor is a minor and they are not just sexualizing characters,.
@@azeremen12 "These are school uniforms!" yeah, it's a fucking skirt and a formal shirt, pedophilia is being into characters that look like 7 year olds, not being into characters that look like adults but that the author put 16 instead of 18 in their bios.
Personally I think that the “anime is trash and so am I” thing is not about fan-service and nudity, but about the bottom of the barrel filth storytelling that floods the medium, like Asterisk War, or Slave Harem in the Labyrinth of another world
Its an argument used to justify a lot of things. I’ve certainly seen it used for what you’re talking about a lot though, I agree.
It has the same energy as "you watch anime? But cartoons are for children!". I've been laughed at for FMA being my favorite anime. I made them watch this show about human experimentation, existentialism and genocide. All of a sudden "cartoons" weren'T just for children anymore.
I absolutely love anime with bad generic or bad story I’m gonna have to personally disagree.
@@MinqApoc
Gundam would like to disagree. God damn war crimes and senseless death galore. Yeah, definitely for children. Sure you got weird points in the original series, but if you show nothing but war even the audience would become desensitized. Gotta break up pacing.
@@MinqApoc Not sure if I would equate them or use them in comparison. "Anime is thrash and so am I" comes from within the community and it's a refusal to change or even think about the problem. It's by refusing to take fanfiction with maturity (often seen as "taking the joke too seriously") that a lot of anime give an accurate impression of being made to pander to immature people and otaku give an accurate impression of being immature.
That Sponsor fake out was way funnier that it had any right to be. You’ve got yourself a new subscriber!
I was like, "Oh well, here comes the- THAT'S SO SAD"
Had me in the first half and subbed too 💯
There's another anime I would have loved for you to touch on. The story revolves around wearing panties on your face and trying to spread awareness of sex in a world that forbids it. The entire point of the story is to show what healthy sex is. The villains are people who are doing nonconsensual sexual acts.
Your'e a really funny dude and I feel so sorry that the opportunity was missed for a transition lol, I can't hep the channel out much but I hope you succeed in your channel and in your life, stay safe!
As someone who doesn't watch any anime, you've gotten me to watch a full video about anime and be properly interested in it for every frame.
Bravo to you, sir.
Welcome to degeneracy 😀👍
That's me as well.
My issue with fanservice is that its usually teenage girls that get sexualized against their will, its rapey, mysoginist and pedophelic. I don't know if your examples fit into this but im fairly certain they do.
literally
Hmm yes a lot of garbage fanservice exists which does ruin the reputation for good fanservice
It's not pedophilic in the slightest. It's understandable to be put off with these tropes, but labeling fiction with something as serious as pedophilia is dangerous.
@@notpeace I see how labeling things as that might be removing the actual danger in real life, but there are a lot of pedophilic tendencies in many anime (ex. loli)
@@notpeace im just calling a spade a spade
favorite fanservice anime: valkyrie drive, queen's blade, monster musume
So something to consider about Tamaki from Fire Force. I'm pretty sure shes meant to be the trope of the "Iron Butt Monkey." This is a trope that comes with a lot of pain and hijinks to the character in question while not getting much in the way to development. The best example I can think of that most people know is Daxter from Jak & Daxter.
Wonderful video! As a girl, I do kinda feel weird about the whole “fanservice is a goofy moment”- idea, I believe that sex jokes def work but they can’t be the only joke in the show.
Being straight woman, I dont experience the horny, I experience the embarassment, harassment, and sexualization the unwilling girl goes through.
yeah, especially when the fanservice is only done to girls that are underage (or look like it)nd against their will. It dehumanizes them and in turn dehumnizes women in real life too
Can confirm 911 jokes are funnier they are unexpected aren't the same old joke they are just obscure references to the twin towers or to 2 planes hitting something in the weirdest reference is pretty unexpected.
Unlike sex jokes. Always boring. Always expected. Not very enjoyable.
@@Ghost-iv9dd Fanservice also happens to guys who are underage how is it different genuine question
@@Ghost-iv9dd this sounds like satire
People don't object to the sexualization per se. They object to the dehumanization. That's what this is really all about.
This.
Yup. This is exactly it.
adn the consumers of fanservice act through the latter. we all know these perverts dont see a human being.
@@lukasbade5919 i’m mixed on this because i mean anime is just art but also like the art is portraying the human physique so like but again i’m mixed on it
@@desklamp8591 But much fanservice is not being artistic about the human physique. It is not being used to convey meaningful themes, such as the fragility of the human body, or how deep rooted insecurity is born seeing our naked skin and always being uncomfortable with it, how scars and burns and imperfections can make you hate the body you have. It doesn't even try to convey the idea that the human body is beautiful in all its forms, and we should appreciate it as much as we can.
No, instead, it is juvenile. It's about butt shots, panty shots, thighs, breasts bouncing, clothes being removed or torn off. It is surface level horny baiting that isn't trying to be anything more. Most of the time, anyway.
this video is freaking amazing bro ! Definitely gonna check out your content !
While i agree that kill la kill nudity is definitely better than... temaki nudity, I dont enjoy the entire ""comedy"" of haha groping and hihi girl is now ashamed because she is undressed against her will - feels too much like the guys straight up assaulting people and denying the whole thing by just saying that the people in question are just too modest.
I enjoy the nudity and fanservice that makes sense between the two (or more) characters to show each other like this. Give me the tiddy jiggles when i know both ends of the relationship are consenting to that or get the fuck out.
A while ago I thought of a joke idea of a magical girl show where everyone's powers were based off of kinks and fetishes. But your discussion about Kill La Kill really makes me want to pursue this as an actual story idea, as I feel like there's a lot of potential.
Isn't that Panty and stockings the anime?🤔
Darien that sounds really cool
Highway Star from JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure Part 4 is basically the foot fetish power
Totally spies lol
@Kusuo's secret gf i thought kusuo was gay
This Video was actually pretty great. I expected it to be a meme but you were VERY critical and thorough with the undertones of it.
Especially Kill La Kill, I never thought that deep about why the skin is shown so much. Too bad we probably can’t explain this to people without them saying “Lol you watch too much anime”.
Animation truly does have seemingly infinite ways of expressing mediums and ideals, and I’m all for it. I loved this a lot. You’ve earned a sub 😇👍🏾
Kill la Kill is one of my favorites. I love how chaotic it is. It’s that wtf action from the very first scene that makes it awesome. Reminds me of Mr. Torgue from Borderlands or Kung Fury in how over the top and explosive the action is to the point it’s comical.
Don’t lose your way!
it actually is a compliment for them to say we watch too much anime. Just like when an art critic trying to explain the beauty of a specific art but ignorant people dismiss him for watching too many art.
I'm glad I watched this because there are like 5-6 anime that I stopped watching because of the pandering (including fire force and kill la kill), so I might go back and watch them with his great discussion in mind.
Bruh. I've been pestered by friends to watch kill la kill and they wouldn't accept my reasoning: Fuck the art style and FUCK the omnipresent fanservice. Little did i know. Might have to give it a watch in the end.
@@shikyokira3065 Well put.
First time on the channel, and I will definitely stay. Great writing, editing and music, enjoyed every second of it
32:59 specifically the English loan word (words ripped from other languages) for kill is pronounced like 着る(kiru). Like English there are multiple words that mean to kill.
My dad walked in when me and my brothers were watching fire force, but as opposed to any of the female fan service, he walked in on the nude calendar episode.
This was henceforth known as “The Fire Force Incident”
Why is this so funny :D
@@ivanpetrov5255 because one persons pain is another persons comedy
"The Fire Force Incident" 🤣
The sheer audacity of this man. I was 10 minutes in and thought, okay, that was a good summary, BUT THEN THE VIDEO JUST KEPT GOING
This level of depth for a topic like this is fantastic to see, we need more serious discussion on topics like this that are clearly massively popular and influencial in our culture, yet due to the nature of the topic no one is willing to take it seriously and find out why, or more likely, don't want to shame themselves by association with the topic.
Fascinating stuff all around, can't wait for your next video 'Top 5 Hentai Artworks That Belong In A Museum'.
Yeah. It was good clickbait that was more than I expected.
The video came up on in my recommendations. I watch anime videos a lot so not surprising. The thumbnail with big anime tiddies and the word FANSERVICE across them got my attention. The first 5 seconds made me like Lextorias' sense of humour. And then i got sucked into the level of genuine informative CONTENT this man has produced. Jesus christ. I love video essays about "weird" topics!
Love your content dude, keep it up
As a person who does not watch anime (but has many friends who do), I find these videos very informative and interesting. I never realized that their was rampant sexual "fan-service" in anime (the only "fan-service" I've ever really noticed has been in movie franchises like the MCU and Star Wars, and is not sexual in nature).
The tonal dissonance comes from the fact that the creators don't expect horniness to distract from the herioic fantasy of the story; they expect that it's supposed to enhance it, which is mostly only possible if you see the character more as a sex object and a trophy to be won, rather than a person who has just suffered trauma and is emotionally distraught. The problem is that you have more empathy for her than the creators expected, but that's not your mistake. 😕
This is so true!
This is a very confusing claim. Why exactly is objectification and trophyism required for horniness to enhance a heroic fantasy in a given story? I don't understand why that's the case. Could it not just... enhance the heroic fantasy? I'm asexual, so I don't understand exactly how all this works, but wouldn't part of the allosexual heroic fantasy include having a super hot sidekick as opposed to one that... isn't hot? I don't see how the sexy-ification of characters requires trophyism (though I do see how it could be a frequent problem).
These stories are the individuals craft we cant change the way they view their characters so unfortunately this will continue for as long as we know anime. Humans complain but change rarely ever occurs. And its all our faults but we still wont do anything about it either, we are the reason the world is this way yet we complain so much. Its quite ironic. We live in the hell we created, there is no one but ourselves to blame.
This is not true at all. I can still see a character that is extremely sexualized and still treat them seriously. This is on the person, not the media.
i think the cyberpunk anime really emphasises the point you made at the end. it has nudity and sex, not being afraid to show the female character's tits, or the male character's bare asses, but it does so in a way that doesn't feel pandering. it just makes the show seem like it was made for adults, and made to be analysed with an adult's level of intellectualism.
I'd say it helps as well. Like when david and lucy as living together, their both fully nude yet their still keeping secrets from each other.
Ironically Studio Trigger (Gurren Lagann and Kill La Kill) also made Cyberpunk Edgerunners.
That Show was more targeted for senien.
This kinda reminds me of a fantastic scifi series called Farscape, where people would normally have sex lives even in outer space.
Imaishi is really good at using fanservice correctly. He also did Panty & Stocking which has a lot of fanservice and it makes sense there because the entire show is a vulgar Sex Comedy, and the two main protagonists know they're sexy, have active sex lives (Panty has sex with 1000 men) and sexualise themselves on purpose.
I fucking love your content, easily became one of my favorite youtuber's. Keep up the good work!!
I'm late on the community post about video ideas so I'm just going to leave it here. So far I loved the way you handled such sensitive topics as rule34 and fanservice. As fujo I'd like to see you try and investigate the influence fujo community has on shonen. There's been a recurring joke on the hellsite about fujos dragging some titles out of the gutter (it's exaggeration mostly but still) and I'd like to see a deep dive on that from you
The closest parallel i can think of is how jump scares are percieved in horror media.
While there is more developed opinions around jumpscares i think its due to it not being tangled up with cultural hangups.
I will note that theres plenty of points where eva has had criticism over it fanservice despite most of it being plot relevant or grounded. For example in episode 23 where rei is being corrupted by the angel the fanserice there is used to show the very personal violation happening in the scene.
The jump scare analogy is great. I think big scare moments in modern horror movies would classify as a type of fanservice. So that’s an excellent parallel
A jumpscare in a good horror film like say The Shining, Psycho, and Get Out is always appreciated.
Well then it’s not fanservice
@@FrogEnjoyer17 There are always deliberate decisions in the presentation of a scene that can even make plot relevant occurences fall under fan service.
I think when you were contrasting Kill la Kill to Fire Force you hit the nail on the head for me for what makes me totally chill about fanservice vs not liking it. As a woman who's watched hundreds of series, I went through a phase where I didn't mind fanservice at all because I was so desencitized to it, to it being incredibly annoying, to now trying to look at it in a more balanced way.
The two things that break fanservice for me is consent and tone. Fan service for comedy or in romance shows is perfect. Not when it interrupts really impactful moments. But consent is the biggest element to me now.
Consent is why I loved Dress Up Darling and why characters like Yoruichi from Bleach are amazing. Consent is why I thought Food Wars was genius when I first saw it. And consent is why I don't want to put up with ecchi shows that cheaply disrespect their characters.
Yeah, I have nothing against it for comedy shows unless it becomes too repetitive :/
“Cheaply disrespect their characters”
“Consent”
They’re cartoons
@@InkfinityOkamix3 dude you have a playlist dedicated to kagamine rin
@@rextgun2613 is literally from when I was 13
It’s not about the cartoons-and if they were just cartoons, you wouldn’t care to be defensive over it. It’s about what impact it can have on a select audience to repeatedly show them that it’s okay and even funny to basically sexually assault women.
It’s also that, I dunno, maybe people might be sensitive to things like rape and sexual assault being treated like a joke? Y’know…the way it often is in real life? Something something art imitates life, life imitates art? Just a thought.
And I mean, yeah, I dunno. I believe if you’re someone who is serious about your art and the story you’re trying to tell, there is such a thing as disrespecting/undermining/compromising your own vision with cheap gimmicks.
9:48 yeah I will admit, that would’ve been a sick transition
At 36:22 when you rolled up GOT that did make me change my stance a bit. I guess there are exceptions to everything, you just need to find what they are.
100% agree about tamaki. almost quit the show over her first "pervert" scene. i know other people get semi nude but they never "accidently" have hands laid on their genitals as a joke.
Ive seen a show go much further, so I was completely fine with it
You sound like a femeinist it’s a god damn cartoon just laugh and enjoy it or don’t watch it
@@toosmoofoyou there's times when lucky pervert BS can be funny and entertaining, but overuse and poor timing can really ruin a show. I happen to agree that the use in the examples detracted from what would have been a much better scenes otherwise
@@Phynellius It's just a matter of opinion anyhow, I don't mind it because I don't have a problem with it seeing as I'm fine with that type of humour. Different people view it different ways.
Cope
1:34 In the west, we wholeheartedly accept violence and brutality, but we censor sexuality.
In Japan, it is the opposite. they are cool with sexuality but heavily censor violence.
While there are exceptions on both sides, you'll quickly notice the general trend, especially with the always angry face protagonist found in the west.
Uh, you would be mistaken. Violence is generally uncensored in the majority of shonen that gets broadcast in Japan. The determining factor to the level of graphic violence is which broadcast slot the property is aired in.
This is very easy to observe when anime is localised - let's stick with an American audience (as different countries have different broadcast standards/tendencies) - the infamous "4Kids dubs" of Pokemon, Yugi-oh and One Piece should be proof enough, buy even older series like Sailor Moon and Dragonball/DBZ were heavily censored (unless they were aired during Toonami's Midnight Run, the precursor to Adult Swim).
@@StudyofSwords Japan does tend to censor heavy violence or gore when it comes to games and movies more so than anime from what I’ve seen or heard
@@StudyofSwords I mean like they do though have you seen the Resident Evil 2 Remake or Any violent game I don't even remember the anime about the cockroach people They do censor it But it's just random sometimes Or all the time I don't know you just have to look for it but i do know its especially in video games. Its to the point that Japan audiences usually buy American versions of the game just two get around that.
@@lonelywolf5659 This is really interesting, becuase you end up seeing somewhat similar occurences when it comes to eromanga/anime ("hentai" if you will), where owing to censorship laws (as well as publishing conventions) the "uncensored" versions of these properties are re-edited outside of the Japanese market.
@@StudyofSwords If you think the shounen broadcast are uncensored you should start reading manga lmao, this shit is uncensored.
I love this video, keep this up man!
Dude, I laughed so hard at that Nord VPN Sponsor bit that you just gained a new Subscriber. Also great job on the video. I love learning the history and thought process behind movies/shows, directors, writers, composers, etc. Keep up the good work!
the best fanservice I have ever seen was probably in cyberpunk edgerunners. The naked scenes were so tastefully done. No woman/man abuse, no comedy, no punchlines. I even doubt its actually fanservice and more like mature scenes not intended for children cause they wouldnt understand the show anyways
whether it was fanservice done intentionally or not it sure did stir stuff LOL
Man, all the nudes in the show didn't seem nude to me at all because of the way they portrayed it. It was not exaggerated, just a girl walking naked having casual conversation. No over-the-top booba physics/animation, no unnecessary high-pitched moans.
It really is made for an audience that won't dwell on those things too much and make a big deal out of it
Based. I want fanservice to mean something for the story.
@@psalm8306 wait what about the jumpscare-esque out of nowhere girl squirting while riding the guy in POV (first episode i think)? Was that not over the top for you?
it seems like fanservice in the way game of thrones does nudity. it's just there. they're just naked. the show doesn't oggle them or have many close up titty shots, characters are just naked because they were asleep, or in the bath. just like normal people.
Maybe this is just me, but I usually dislike fan service in animes because a lot of times it’s women in embarrassing/ humiliating situations - it’s never done to make them feel cool or be in power (I’ve only seen it to be the case in rare situations). I would feel so much comfortable if they were fine with it and enjoying themselves. Many times they’re shown as innocent beings who’re not realising they’re turning the guys on by accidentally flashing them their underwears etc. Honestly, I just want the women who’re doing fan service to do it because they want to and feel like it, and I want their characters to have their own arch’s and be well developed and not there just for fan service. Erza from fairy tail was my favourite character because of this while I hated Lucy.
That’s exactly why I like fan service. I’ve always wanted to walk a chick like she’s a dog and I know there’s other chicks into it. Just not mine I haven’t told her about my demeaning kink because she’s super Christian and I’m not.
Fan service just makes me uncomfortable and feels utterly pointless
@@SCP--kr5pd dude what
Imagine the post nut clarity so strong, you start researching fan service and make a whole 42 min video
I've been watching your videos for a few weeks now. Gotta say: GREAT WORK!
Not really. This is one of those situations where discussing something from within the fandom does a disservice to the complexities. In Japan, the concept of "service" predates anime and is everywhere throughout the culture. For example, before Cutie Honey we have idols, who are packaged and presented in a very similar way as anime. Especially in the 1970s, it was common for most female stars to present "fan service" in the form of nude or gravure photography. In the 1960s the film genre called "Pink film" started, where almost every woman had nude scenes, even if they were a major actor/protagonist. Within the world of adult entertainment, prostitution, etc, it's always been common practice to refer to these things as "service". The word is wildly used this way in Japan. "Fan service", is a slang that developed somewhat alongside anime, but denotes services which are done complimentary, or for free for the fans. And in Japanese we use this word all the time to refer to risky/suggestive things. Even 30 years ago it's normal ask a girl to give you "service" as a euphemism for perverted stuff. Explaining "fan service" in this way hyper focuses this to anime industry, when this is a wider, older and much more engrained cultural phenomenon in Japan. This is not anime, this is Japanese culture.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing!
Viewing things from only within their respective community easily leads to overlooking broader issues about the general culture (here, the sexualization of young girls and women).
A culture that treats women badly , I bet most of those actors and idols doing those nude shots were most likely only doing it because it was that or there career being over.
Japanese culture is a perverted culture.
Thank you for sharing your perspective. I would love to see a video essay about these wider issues if such a video exists.
This does a great job at providing the context we need to understand why anime is the way it is. And I’m glad you brought this up cuz anime culture didn’t pop up in a vaccume, it’s, to some degree, based on the cultural norms and understandings of the Japanese people. I think looking at it from the anime prospective can also be very helpful. Anime is the main by which man foreigner are introduced to certain cultural aspects of Japan, including the bad sides. And to focus on the anime prospective allows us to see it’s impact beyond the Japanese boarders.
It was this video and the "why did horror games stop being scary" that got my subscription. I look forward to seeing more from you!
As 'Axel Beats' said: "People drop Anime because of Sex-Sells'. Its that simple.
Nice video.
I know I'm coming in really late on this, but there is one thing you missed in the history of fan service section. Shower scenes. This was a staple of shonen anime in the '70s and '80s that Gainax then replaced with jiggle. The original Gundam, Zeta Gundam and the original Macross series all had them. The original Gundam even had Char in a shower scene. Well… I guess it wasn't a really important part of history, but then again, fan service usually isn't an important part of the anime either.
You're honestly so underrated. 95k subs for this quality? You deserve a lot more!
I never watched fire force, but based on what was shown here I don't think any subversion of trope could've saved that tamaki character. her entire thing apparently is existing to be harassed "by accident" over and over again. so even in the scenes where this somehow makes her win a fight and makes her opponent look ridiculous, she's still being harassed and humiliated and dehumanised. she's the most exaggerated example of why I've been so turned off by anime for a while and still am very cautious with what I watch. they have to include a woman being harassed for laughs at least once in so many shows and it gets fucking old really quick.
Very true, I watch anime with my girlfriend sometimes and honestly it just ruins the show for both of us when there’s this sort of really uncomfortable fan service. I gotta go through anime beforehand before we watch it cause it’s just so awkward lol
I'm so glad that i dropped that anime on the vey first episode. What a waste of time.
@@velvetra29 ok tamaki is a very sore spot on the anime but other than her it's still an excellent show. every show has it's strengths and weaknesses and tamaki just happens to be one of its weaknesses. keep in mind it has many strengths.
@@flogchamp9530 Feels like i have to eat a pizza that have olives on top of it. It's so annoying that either i have to discard those olives by myself, or just suck it up and eat the pizza with the olives.
It's a darn good pizza, but the olives may ruin my experience.
THANK YOU 😭
Honestly I think the biggest issue you run into with fanservice is how insidious and unexpected it can be. You've got some shows that are right out there with the fact that this is what you're getting, but then there are others marketing themselves as Serious Anime, or even Art Pieces, and you get two episodes in and it's actually another box of Whoops, All Titties.
This leads a lot of people in that "I like fanservice when it's in its place/unintrusive" to just...not be able to trust anime at large.
The other bit is when it's lazy. There are a lot of showrunners who clearly don't think much of their audience, because they're sure we'll be content with "plot" instead of plot, when unfortunately for them the truth is most of us are well aware of great shows that have both. The idea that a non-porn show doesn't have to be engaging if it's sexy enough is just...incorrect. But it seems like writers fall for this idea all the time.
I feel like I'm misunderstanding...a lot of your arguments here. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by saying that it's "insidious". My assumption is that you mean it's harmful to women, and to that I'll reiterate my response to another comment here; the only minds that would be impressionable enough to see anime fan service and think it's okay or normal for things like that to happen would be those of children, and these shows are not targeting them, they're aimed at a demographic that is well old enough to understand that the real world obviously does not operate like an anime. If anyone *does* think it's okay to go around fondling anyone, the seed of that idea was planted before they ever watched an anime, and/or by a lot worse than some gremlin accidentally falling into an anime girl's chest. The notion that any of it is somehow capable of changing ones views on anyone, in either direction is, to be frank, preposterous to me.
And yes, it is unexpeced. That's...what fan service, sexual or otherwise, is supposed to be. I do understand your point about shows that are designed to be more serious, though. But I have to be real with you, I've been watching anime since 2013 and watched over 200 series and movies, and a show that advertises itself as serious devolving into "whoops, all titties", as you put it, is strikingly rare; definitely not common enough for someone to have a so strong a reaction as no longer being able to trust anime as a whole. Might there be fan service in these shows? Sure. But it's typically in just a few episodes of the season and is usually something like a topless scene that randomly occurs, and almost always where it's appropriate (shower/changing room/locker rooms) or expected for someone to be topless. The types of fan service you see in ecchi shows rarely (but, yes, occasionally does) venture beyond that genre. If you're sensitive enough to fan service that seeing a few instances of it throughout an entire series will cause you to distrust anime completely, then I feel safe in saying perhaps anime just isn't for you, because you will inevitably come across it more frequently than you are comfortable with.
*That said*; I do feel streaming services need to start understanding the medium more and realize that slapping a "sexual content" descriptor on a show in their catalogue isn't enough here. Yes, fan service is a form of sexual content, but I think any fan, regardless of their opinion of it, can agree that it's not a typical form of it. There needs to be a "fan service" or "risque fan service" descriptor. I genuinely think that little extra bit of clarification would go a long way towards ensuring people are watching the kinds of shows they personally want to watch.
As for your last paragraph. No. A show can absolutely exist solely for its fan service. You say the studios producing them "don't think much of their audience", but this honestly feels like you're willfully turning a blind eye to the painfully obvious reality here. You can't seriously believe that a studio making a show like, say, The Mother of the Goddess Dormitory is making it thinking it's going to appeal to a wide audience. They most definitely are thinking of their audience by creating these series, just not their broader audience. It is and always has been a niche audience, for sure (a simple look at the user ratings of these shows on MAL will attest to that), but I'm going to go ahead and say that I feel like they're thinking at least somewhat highly of them if they're willing to put in the significant time and resources into a show that caters to such a small fanbase. Why is deciding to make a show appeal to a small sector of your audience lazy?
This. Misa in Death Note kind of tip toed the line. She looked nice, but I can't recall any overtly fan service moments from her
11:10 luckily theres a family guy
Thanks for the vid. Communicating so clearly and coherently about this generally awkward topic helped me organize my own thoughts.
Over the last 5 years or so, my interest in watching anime and reading manga has gradually diminished. I would say that a large part of it due to fanservice disrupting the flow of the story or any particular scene with a more serious tone. It's also aggravating to have a show constantly cutting away from the actual focus of dialogue or action to instead shove fanservice in one's face (ie: the "camera" shifts from the face of the person talking, to say, centering on an almost vertical top-down shot of the cleavage of a female character being spoken to). I also take issue with when a serous fight is happening only for a female character's clothing to be torn to shreds for the audience to gawk at, breaking the entire pace of the conflict. Often with "bonus points" for an slow motion panning shot of them blushing in a revealing position. Similar issue as with the Fire Force character, what is the audience supposed to feel in this moment? Upset at the character's loss of the fight, or horny over their overly sexualized state?
I'd personally prefer that entertainment not include fanservice unless is specifically meant to be adult entertainment, though that may be a more extreme take. Although Food Wars and Kill La Kill aren't for me, having heard the explanations of the two anime I can see how they can find an audience to enjoy them in spite of or because of how they utilize their over-the-top fanservicing.
I hope that in the future, manga and anime studios refine the "If, When, How, and Why" of the inclusion of fanservice.
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I've seen people use the term "perv pandering" to specifically refer to the sexual type of fanservice. I always preferred that term. It feels more accurate because as a fan, often those sorts of scenes feel like a disservice to me.
Yeah, sometimes the word fanservice is also used for just cool Easter eggs for fans who pay attention.
@@geschnitztekiste4111 Exactly! It helps to have a more specific word to differentiate it from that other kind of fan service.
It can be done tastefully, or it can be overdone annoyingly.
Ur probably just gay 😂
@@geschnitztekiste4111that or sakuga sequences
Your search history must be interesting after making this video. As always awesome video keep it up.
I did a lot of “research”
this was, surprisingly, really informational and interesting.
Good shit
i love you videos, they are so well explained its like ik watching a documentary but for the things i avtually like
This dive isn't deep enough. The root/source of the term fanservice is simply "service", or サービス as a loanword. While it does retain its original meaning, it has also become slang for "a little something something" or something "on the house", i.e. extra service.
Go Nagai also had a manga older than Cutie Honey AFAIK called Harenchi Gakuen that was quite erotic.
Also when talking about this topic, it becomes muddied and hard to figure out which parts are genuinely intended to be erotic and which parts are "done as a service to please fans", so now the word has lost its meaning, at least in a lot of circles. Like, I wouldn't call porn, softcore or not, or any kind of work intented to be erotic as "fanservice". The easy way to tell is if a front page or afterword panel or an extra panel added to a tankoubon release is of the characters doing a beach episode. Now that would be fanservice. A, "what people outside Japan would describe as ecchi" series, would be something like Ichigo 100% or Nana to Kaoru? Those two aren't "fanservicey", they're just straight up lewd.
Finally, the "... how does that even happen" scene is a well known trope in Japan called lucky sukebe ラッキースケベ.
For me fanservice is intrusive when it becomes distracting, but it doesn't simply have to be tonally incongruent to do that. The more attention and time the direction of a scene pays to the fanservice, the more likely it is to pull me out of the show.
get yourself in kenja time more often. I'll be a lot less distracting
Great vid. Glad you mentioned kill la kill in the way you did. This vid would have been missing a very important point had you not. Good job
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My biggest issue with sexual fanservice in anime are more the ones where the "women" are incredibly infantilized (or straight up are young girls)... which, unfortunately is most of them.
Yea why is no talking about this. Like cool, hot women, but omg take these highschoolers out of these shows. Why are highschoolers tits bouncing!?
Yea I personally wouldn't mind fanservice if it was done to both genders equally like in Food wars
But its mostly female characters and especially underage characters which is why it can be both very annoying and sometimes uncomfortable to watch
It's a weird situation, because many of these manga are made for teenage boys, so they involve teenage boys and girls, but are written by adults.
@@Moon1tan this! most fan service is misogynistic bullshit. if it’s done to both genders properly, and it isn’t stupid, infantalising, or any of the other million bad things it could be then it’s fine. the food wars bit is a good example.
@@Moon1tandifferent demographics means one gender is gonna be sexualized more than the other
Your explanation of how Fire Force perpetuates fanservice negativity is perfect! I'm all for fun ridiculous fanservice, sexual expression, and sex positivity but when it's literally ruining the character's legitimacy within that world it's being done wrong. The other thing that becomes problematic in a lot of anime is when women are portrayed as unintelligent, always needing to rely on the male protagonist, or just not being capable in almost any capacity.
their should be a time and place for it and done in an appropriate way and without making the person into a sex objects and dehumanizing them
@@joshs7160 then she's a waste of screen time and useless.
@@joshs7160 Yeah, no. Undermining any and all development of a character for the sole purpose of acting as a vehicle for fanservice is just poor writing.
I mean... Women being portrayed unintelligent and always relying on the male lead is a problem in general... Unfortunately it's not just an anime thing
@@efgee9873 true but in anime its exceptionally bad
That transition was so smooth I was already clicking to fast forward XD
to me this is just a common trop.
like the Wilhelm scream, it's used so often i cant help but roll my eyes and groan whenever it's on screen. takes me completely out of whatever i'm watching
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Congrats on having the “creator voice” that makes voice overs pleasant to listen to. You have a rare gift
I haven't finished the video but I think some of the worst fanservice is when a female character is being seriously sexually assaulted and the "camera" starts framing everything like a straight up hentai
It's trying to narratively portray something bad but it just can't help drool all over the scene
that and when they later in the series decided to make outfit unrealistic sexual (like a mini skirt that does not cover your but) and/or change a cool character into a idiot or sexual object. I forgot the anime, but I remember my favorite character going from badass to assshots in 2 to 3 seasons.
I'm probably beating a horse that has been dead for years now but this is exactly my problem with Goblin Slayer. I am not against depicting fucked up narratives in media. But sensitive topics like sexual assault need to be handled with care. "The" scene in Goblin Slayer was anything but that. The scene was uncomfortably prolonged more than it needed to get their message across with so much unnecessary detail. And the direction as well as the way the woman was animated in a way that feels more sexualized than horrifying. And I do went and go to read ahead in the manga and it isn't getting any better. Woman SA is an integral part of the plot and world-building it's almost like women exist just to be damsels in distress to be saved by the male characters while having the most horrific moment in their lives sexualized.
@@nna_ It does bother me, but what bother me more is that all the girls are fighting to be the love interest of the goblin slayer. I am tired of this anime idea.
Fanservice can be amazing but it should not mess with the plot
You know what. I liked Food Wars and I'm sick of pretending it sucks...
i liked it too. first 3 seasons have a special place in my heart. kinda hate the final season & ending though
Tamaki's inclusion was supposed to be to make fun of overt, intrusive sexualization where it shouldn't be. Like how Mark Twain used the N-word a lot in Huck Finn to "depower" the word through repetition. But that kinda just felt like an excuse to do it a lot because he wanted to. So same thing here, really.
“Satire requires a clarity of purpose and target lest it be mistaken and contribute to that which it intends to criticize “
Then what is the point of the comment, when it really doesn't matter that it was done to downplay shit like that
From what I've seen, sex and nudity in anime is never seen as intimate or a sign of trust.
Sex is depicted and silly, lewd, and depraved. It's treated both as a punchline and as a gesture.
Personally, I think sex and nudity in anime should be like the James bond films where they only happen if there is an actual scene of intimacy/intercourse, which never happens in anime.
There's one in Black Butler, actually.
I agree. I feel like Shoujo anime tend to treat sex and nudity with more care and nuance, and actually use it to move the plot or relationship forward.
The only cartoon that have stuff like this
Tokyo ghoul make character literally fucks his wife
Maybe this is just because I mostly watch old anime but like, every anime I watch has nudity used as symbolism for intimacy or vulnerability. Hell, some of the scenes are so famous they were ripped off by other equally famous western made movies shot for shot.
A similar western parallel would be the jokes in the MCU. I find them incredibly annoying most of the time. They were originally kinda funny and fit one of the characters, but then the studios realized people liked them and they literally go back to all the movies to put quips in there after the movie is done shooting. They take away from the tension in so many scenes, but in movies like Thor: Ragnarok (dedicated comedies) they work so much better.
16:25 ive watched so many status memes i expected senator armstrong to appear