The parts are played slight different so it makes it tough to pick. I like the melody part played in 432, but the chord at the end sounded better in 440
Sorry to ruin the experience for you but he is playing the same riff. The different hz values can bring in or out values in cords, so it sounds somewhat different.
Exactly what I was thinking. I did not expect any difference, but I liked the higher parts better in 432 - though the last chord sounded a bit off in that tuning. Maybe just because I'm so used to hearing chords in 440.
@@rollingreskey I don't need to, even Mozart played in 432hz, anyone with any ounce of musical ability can hear 432hz is better, you're just tone deaf, and programmed 😵💫
I’m surprised at how many people preferred 432 over 440 😂 Neither sounded “wrong” but 440 is what my ear recognizes as home… 432 sounds out of place and therefore perks my ears up. It’s refreshing
Despite being well aware of what's going on in this comparison, and the science behind it all. The reason I would say I prefer 432 in this case is that it adds a bit more moodiness to it, due to the fact that it is technically tuned down slightly.
the reason most people like 432 is because thats the range we naturally resonate to. which is why 432 was the default musical tuning range up until it got changed to a default 440. might wanna ask ya self why it was changed. Thats right as if it wasn't already clear enough, THEY HATE US ALL!
@@theozzyjoker2985 Where in literal hell did you read that we "naturally resonate" to 432hz? What does that even mean? How does that apply across the western chromatic scale? I'm going to need some citations here.
440 sounded like enjoying a memory of sunshine and simple moments with a loved one. 432 sounded like reminiscing about a similar memory but with a slight sad twinge, like remembering the same day except the loved one is now gone.
The second one (432) is my personal favorite, it sounds... Nostalgic... Kinda lo-fi vibe Anyways, both sounds amazing and wonderful, such a nice melody to listen to
You get this effect only because they were played one after the other (the second one was thus slightly tuned lower, giving it a more "nostalgic/sad" tone). In isolation, you probably wouldn't have heard any difference.
Yeah, it has that lofi feel to it, because lofi usually means somewhat out of tune, and 432 is pretty much as out of tune as it can be, in relation to the standard, aka the what we have learned to associate to be in tune.
@@Hexalyse For me this isn't exactly the case. It's hard to explain but 432 A (roughly) is what I naturally tuned to for years while I was learning ; before I had ever played with others. I almost never played along with recordings either. I didn't even own a tuner until after around 10 years of playing. This was long before even learning about the old 432 standard. I feel some sort of sameness with it. Still to this day if I don't have a tuner and I tune without a 440 reference I naturally tune to 432sh. Close enough anyway. I've always been able to hear A resonating from different things like electronic fans or even nature. I know it sounds odd but it's actually true. Anyway, whatever it is about 432, coincidence or not, I have an inbuilt relationship with it.
There’s literally no magic here. The reason why most people _prefer_ 432 over 440 is because one has been tuned down relative to the other. It’s the same reason people like _slowed + reverb_ renditions of their favourite songs…
So, in combination to other points brought up in this thread, I'll add Jacob Colliers explaination to Adam Neeley's. A432 is tuned down from A440, which according to science, puts it a little flatter than normal to our ears, which are more or less tuned to A440 these days. And so it being lower in pitch sounds warmer to our ear. If we tuned to say, A450, it would be brighter, and sharper to our ears. That's all it really is, is a conversation on bright vs warm and to what degree. It's just a way to add subtle flavor to a piece of music, and has a lot less to do with frequencies and universal vibration than the psudospiritual A432 cultists would like to think.
i don’t know if this will be answered cause none of my comments get answered too but could someone please explain to me what 432/440 is i’ve only been playing around a year and a half so i’m still pretty new lol
sugsug not really, saying it's mainly from funeral would mean (at least from what i interpreted) that this tune would seem more distinct to the funeral one, and i couldn't see anything that confirmed this. It's the same excerpt found in both songs, same tune and all. Nothing further to distinguish it as being more "funeral" was included here. A lot of Ichika's songs have snippets from the short audios, yet they still feel unique and distinct from each other despite the connection. So i guess i just find it more right to consider that the piece is either both a part of the songs, or mainly from the two, not one or the other. However, if you're referring about how funeral was the original and therefore, it is the origin in which the tune itself stemmed from, then you'd be correct it being mainly due to funeral's existence. Yknow at this point, idk why i even bothered to think so much over this lol, i think i haven't touched enough grass.
Love this idea! I've never played with 432. Quite the shock to the ears at first but it's nice. I can't decide though! Record your albums again in 432 and I'll think about it then :P
If anyone is curious i'll share the actual science behind WHY 432hz is the genuine tuning standard as opposed to the 440hz used today (or 435hz from 1859 - 1939) The reason? A=432hz is an equal-tempered scale, which is a type of frequency scale where all the notes have been mathematically adjusted to sound in harmony with each other throughout the entire musical range. as it is mathematically based on the overtone series of A and all corresponding notes. At its core, music is pure mathematics - calculable air vibrations whose frequencies overlap according to physical rules. These frequencies stand in certain mathematical relations to each other. If you build the pure tuning on the 432 Hz frequency, not only all octaves result in the cross sum 9, but also every note of the chromatic 12 scale. There is no other scale that has this property. Hope this helps clear the air a bit, since most people just claim its the earths natural frequency. Which isn't necessarily wrong, its just incomplete. The electromagnetic waves generated by the earth that are present within its atmosphere have a frequency of 8hz, when counting up 5 octaves, you reach 256hz. This frequency is C in the scale where A is 432Hz, which is in parity with the frequency of the electromagnetic waves generated by the earth. Anyways that's where the whole "natural frequency" claim originated, its not wrong, most just take it at face value without learning the mathematics behind why. Now you do! :D
This is really just a testament to some basic rules of thumb with tones. Lower tones sound better for melody and are more moving to us, but with chords higher frequencies sound better because there are less overtones interacting and making mud.
Either/or. The idea that 432 is some magical number seems to have originally been promoted by Verdi but been popularized by the Lyndon LaRouche movement. Historically the actual frequency of "A" varied wildly showing a generally upward trend until the mid 1800s, when the French standardized it at 435hz. There's no real scientific reason for 432 to feel different than 440, unless played right after one another (obviously). And of course in reality we all just tune to the bass player since it's faster that way.
did you know that there is a "scientific reason" and manner in which sound interacts with water - there is a whole field of study, called cymatics.. and did you also know that the human adult body is like %60 water? You meant to say that "you" don't know of any scientific reason :)
@@TheMichaelvolz I've heard of cymatics. its a way of seeing sound waves with some sort of medium like sand or water. and it makes geometric patterns depending on the frequency or signal. really cool stuff my dude
440 is twangy, majestic and a little gritty 432 is cleaner, consistent and calm 432 is my preference based on sound alone, but in the context of a song, 440 would work well to spice things up.
@@leaveitorsinkit242 ikr, 432 definitely sounded like lofi/chill and looser than 440. most if not all musicians would say that 440 is consistent, tight and clean, not the other way around
@@lancepanics2996 No… I’m that saying whenever you tune something down… you perceive it to be warmer or cleaner or whatever. We could literally say the same thing about any two frequencies…
432 sounds more whistful and warm. But I can imagine a song where it switches from 440 at the starting verse to 432 in a later verse as the emotion of the song develops. Brilliant Ichika!
It does make a difference if you use the same strings. One reason I've seen for raising pitch in orchestras over the years is that they sound better - particularly stringed instruments: you get more harmonics. It fairly easy to check for yourself: Take a 12 string acoustic, tune to 440, and put a capo on the 2nd fret. Play a piece and record that. Then tune the same guitar to 415 (which sounds as a half step lower), put the capo on the third fret, and play the same piece. You'll definitely hear the difference in how the strings behave and respond. Pitching ever higher has the obvious drawback that the tension goes up too - which will, in acoustic instruments, cause issues over time.
I’m going with 432 on account of that’s the one that gave me full body chills even though I knew I’d hear the same piece. I also didn’t know which was which until the end, had to rewind to see the “second one” was 432. Great stuff.
Switched to 432 a few months ago and enjoy it a lot. On my guitar the strings have more resonance and tone around 432 than 440, you can hear it opening up and getting that "perfect tune" sound. Sometimes on 440 I have a hard time keeping the thing in good tune, not sure why, maybe too much tension.
432 is felt in my heart chakra clearly. I feel directed to be in my body. 440 I’m in my head and disconnected from my heart and body. 432 for the win IMHO
I think that this is the first time I’m realizing that my ears are pretty much tuned to 440hz? The 432hz sounded really good still but like it had a slightly desolate tone somehow. It was warmer, more heartfelt in tone but I think I also felt like it was out of tune which doesn’t make sense given how little difference there really is and the fact that it’s really still A. Idk, if it weren’t for side by side I probably wouldn’t have seen such a big difference but now I’m curious if that’s the secret to why some game music really feels more like despair in Dark Souls for instance (not that it’s in 432hz or anything, but I could see that being a reason for the music feeling even more like it does aside from the composition alone.)
The French 435 Hz "standard", which was introduced in 1859, was the first attempt to standardize pitch on a larger scale. Even within France, it varied wildly depending on region. There was basically no pitch standard at all, and they also used other types of divisions of the octave, and interval ratios (Pythagorean, Ptolemaic, mean-tone temperament, etc).
As long as the intonation and intervals are the same across it makes a negligible difference. The only thing that does change is how the frequencies respond so some notes will be slightly more shrill and others will have even more of a round low end or be too low to properly resonate
@@coryturke7336 yeah I believe we just tune everything to 440 so we have general tuning consistency between instruments. Nobody is going to tune down a piano for a jam sesh or performance of some kind so if we have a standardized tuning frequency then all the instruments playing together will be in tune together. Kind of like how we have 12 tone equal temperament tuning which is a kind of compromise allowing us to play in any key on instruments like piano and guitar. Most people don't even know that to play a chord in tune the 3rd of the chord has to be something like 20cents flat and the 5th is supposed to be about 2cents sharp in order to make those frequencies align perfectly but that means we would have to adjust certain notes every time they came up as a different part of a chord. It was just easier to make everything "equally out of tune" (this is where the name 12 tone equal temperament comes from) so that instruments that don't play only one note at a time can play in all keys and we just got used to hearing out of tune chords. Went a little bit down the rabbit hole on that but I also wanted to say that other cultures use different tunings as well. I know for sure that in Japan they tune to a lower frequency and this could be the case for many other countries, some of which might even tune up. Very interesting especially when microtonal music/instruments are taken into consideration
432 is gonna sound nicer to most people if shown after 440 since the slightly lower tuning sounds warmer in comparison. Could easily compare 440 and 434 and 434 would sound nicer right after hearing 440
I strongly disagree, I’ve read numerous articles comparing the earths frequency also known as the Schumann resonance to 440 and 432. 432 is used by all natural organisms therefore it is far more relevant than any other tuning and that’s why we used it for thousands of years. Also Robert Edward Grant spent countless hours using mathematical formulas to prove by 432 is more resonant and better than 440. when you make general statements it’s as if you stopped looking for the answers, I read multiple articles in order to come to my conclusions and have undeniable formulas with numbers to argue my point in favor of 432.
@@alexanderallegra432 And that's complete bullshit. There is nothing inherently special about 432Hz. It's that simple. I guarantee you no one except those with perfect pitch can discern 432Hz from 430Hz when just listening to one of them.
@@alexanderallegra432 I have also read multiple articles both in favor of and against the notion that 432hz is the better tuning standard. Bold of you to assume that because I don't agree with you that I've done no research. The idea that 432hz is somehow more pure is new-age pseudoscience.
There seemed to be more clarity in 440, but also the highs were a little grating. 432 was more pleasant but also more mushy. I'd say go with the 440 but do something about those eardrum piercing highs. I could also get better headphones. lol
He could’ve played them and lied as to which is which and there would’ve been no way you’d realised. You literally can’t prefer on or the other cause at the end, it’s really no different.
On your way some people say 432 sounds flat to them, if you grew up with 4:40, I can see where that would happen. 440 did sound a little shrill to me at times. But I also happen to be a fan of minor and diminished keys, so I kind of like the flatness
432 is more enchanting; it seems Softer to the touch and therefore you can so easily drift off into the melody. The odd notes also seem to hit better on 432
It’s extremely subtle but 432 does give more of a sense of tranquility and overall harmony. 440 feels ever so slightly off and disorienting especially when directly compared. Nice clip 👍
I would say that the first one sounded more full, and more confident as far as tone goes, but the second one each note was crystalline clear and very emotional in its own right, so for which sounds better? Depends on what you’re thinking about and feeling at the time, at first listen maybe the more full sounding, resolved feel of the first may be better, and on a second listen, the more nostalgic sound of each note ringing together may strike your ear better. That is why music is amazing, because the same thing twice is not ever the same thing it was the first time…
I’ve read numerous articles comparing the earths frequency also known as the Schumann resonance to 440 and 432. 432 is used by all natural organisms therefore it is far more relevant than any other tuning and that’s why we used it for thousands of years. Also Robert Edward Grant spent countless hours using mathematical formulas to prove by 432 is more resonant and better than 440. when you make general statements it’s as if you stopped looking for the answers, I read multiple articles in order to come to my conclusions and have undeniable formulas with numbers to argue my point in favor of 432.
@@alexanderallegra432 the Schumann resonance isn't exactly 432 though, clearly you don't know the science behind music. The Schumann resonance actually has a fundamental closer to 430.4 Hertz, not 432 Hertz. Every frequency played second after the first is going to sound better, if it was 432 Hertz then 440 Hertz you would prefer 440, right? Honestly, it doesn't matter what frequency you prefer or like, but to say one sounds subjectively 'better' is utter nonsense. Also, we haven't used it for thousands of years, standard baroque tuning for A was actually closer to A flat, so it's not like we've used it for the entire duration of human history. Be careful what you read on the internet, bro.
Beautiful as always. A432 has this wierd history, alot of pipe organs in old churches tuned this way, cymatic frequency shows similar/ same art patterns in old temples across the worse on tiles. A good rabbit hole to go down
this stuff has nothing to do with what you think 440 scientifically causes brain damage it’s what you were born on every song you’ve ever heard all your favorite songs why else wouldn’t you let go of it
The most fun is what happens when you use them both at the same time. The frequency ratio 440/432 simplifies to 55/54, and this comma has the property that it turns a minor third (which is a 6/5 just ratio) into a neutral third (which is an 11/9 just ratio), that is (55/54)(6/5) = (11/9). So if you play minor thirds and sevenths while tuned to 440Hz, and then play the tonics, fifths and maybe the fourths while tuned to 432Hz, you should end up with a really nice blues scale. Of course, if you're playing a guitar, you'd normally just bend the notes. :D
@@eugh2866 Well, kind of, for the ratios that matter, mostly. But if you take two copies of 12 equal and separate them by 55/54 (i.e. one tuned to A = 440Hz and the other tuned to A = 432Hz), it's not quite an equally tempered tuning system any more. You have alternating gaps of 31.7 and 68.2 cents. I just realized though that there's a little bit of a problem with this scheme: 12 equal's minor third is already 15.6 cents flat of a justly tuned 6/5, and that means when we raise it by 31.7 cents, we're the same 15.6 cents flat of the 11/9 neutral third, but 16.1 cents sharp of the 6/5 minor third. Still, it probably works well enough to get some really nice bluesy things happening.
I'd like to see these conditions applied to Dr Emoto-style water crystal or rice experiments, to gauge if there are any significant frequency responses - ie, harmonious vs disruptive. If there are, it could raise questions about what is culturally normalized. And why....
would be really cool to have a pedal that changes from 440 to 432 every now and then, to have this nostalgic, lo-fi-ish feel to everything you play through it
I started smiling and my stomach felt the smile too on the 2nd guitar sounds played! wow please take over the entire world with 432hz the world needs it....I wonder what would happen if 900 guitarists spread around waring countries in safe places played 432hz melody staring from 9 o lock in the rising sun till 12 noon every day for 3 weeks what would happen...😉😊
Verdi tuning captures when sound uniformly resonates and behaves within nature. Our ears may not immediately distinguish a qualitative improvement in this microtonal difference, but when we look at how the sound (vibrations in air) behaves in this tuning, something very impressive occurs. The fact that a master luthier naturally found a balance in the resonance of this harmonic range (A=432hz) when designing instruments for exhibiting for the best range of dynamics and quality of sound in concerts, he didn't even know half of what we would go on to discover about his tuning through the study of cymatics (see tonoscopes and the chladni plate)...
Amazingly, 432Hz actually sounds significantly better. Slightly warmer, the overtones and harmonics resonate more nicely, and the guitar sounds just a little "looser" in a way that lends life to the piece. Excellent work, Ichika.
both are amazing tunes, i think that the only distinction is that the first one is a much cleaner tune meanwhile as the other comments are saying the second one has a lo-fi tune and to me it has some mute to it
Having messed around tuning to both frequencies I find that 432hz can sound good and is nice to play, this is because you're downtuning the strings slightly, which relaxes the tension in them, making the notes and your playing feel more relaxed. But also A at 432hz just sounds out of tune if heard immediately after A at 440hz.
As someone who learned to recognize out-of-tune pitches by ear on wind instruments, focusing on detuned or alternate tuning music makes me kinda uncomfortable. However, having it on in the background has a nostalgic casette-tape feel to me.
The 440 was a little bit annoying to my ears, but anyway. I wasn’t expecting too much about the 432, but it took me offguard, it moved me to tears. Thank you!
For the record: exactly 440hz is the note: A4. This is the modern standard and any note a semitone above is (12th root of 2, or about 1.059463094359295) times is frequency. This ensures that an octave is exactly double the frequency of a root note: A4 is 440hz, A5 is 880hz, A3 is 220hz. There was a debate on what would be the universally accepted frequency as to set a perfect standard for the world: 440hz or 432hz. Some sick, twisted mathematics said it should’ve been 438.689 or something like that because it has some kind of mathematical, geometrical symmetries through our universe, but let’s be honest: these were psycho mathematicians LOL. We eventually settled on 440hz, and I believe this is because of the slightly more pleasing high-end, crisp tone and the fact that since instruments after good wear and tear begin to slightly fall flat, it is better to be a bit too sharp than a bit too flat. This has become the modern standard, and has stayed this way for several decades, but 432hz music still exists and Ichika is here to (in a beautiful way) ask you: “Hey! Which one do you like more?”
But a hertz is an arbitrary unit of measurement, based on the arbitrary notion of a second. Just because the number is convenient in division doesn't make it a significant property of the universe. I could easily define my own unit of measurement, the flertz, meaning one beat per blecond, with a blecond defined so that 432fz = 440hz, and it would work just as well.
@@froobly 440hz was our human, arbitrary, yet good and necessary standardization. It was sought after through ambiguous, rigorous academic debate, not empirical, unfalsifiable science. It basically makes as much sense as having 10 different numbers in a single digit to use as our math system. If for chance, why not use 8, or 9, or 12, or even 20 numbers in one digit? It’s an arbitrary, but necessary method of standardization. Besides, I said ~438.69…hz was considered among many as pertaining to its mathematical geometrical universality, not unlike the constant, Phi, not 440 and I never said it was for division reasons. 440=2*2*2*5*11 432=2*2*2*2*3*3*3 If anything, we’d actually prefer 432 for division reasons.
I could be wrong but I do believe that youtube and all major streaming services automatically convert their audio to 440hz that being said in my personal opinion 432hz is 1000x better for music listening and music enjoyment in general as 432hz is mathematically more resonant with the human body so it is a natural harmonic to us. The switch from 432hz as the standard to 440hz as a standard was opposed by many prominant musicians of the age some even declaring that 440hz would create an isolated and anxious society of individuals...
The idea that 432 hz has some magic properties is pure hogwash. The vast majority of musicians get along just fine with 440hz, but some like to be different. And that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that, but it's silly to attempt to assign some special meaning to a tuning that you wouldn't be able to identify without measuring equipment or advertising.
@@davilathegreat I don't recall writing anything about magic properties in my post? Any way what youre talking about and what I am talking about are two very different things.
@@g.y.p.s.y. Yeah, you said that "432hz is mathematically more resonant with the human body," and that's total bullshit. It's cool that you like detuned music, but there's nothing scientific or mathematical about 432hz. It's literally just detuned. And detuning songs is actually quite popular.
@@davilathegreat Mathematics and living organisms responding to frequencies? Doesn't sound like magic to me. Magical thinking aligns closer to the illusion of over-identifying with the thoughts/ideas/opinions/beliefs in one's head.
432 звучит ближе к lo-fi, т.е мягкий, магический, расслабляющий, а 440 более резкий и яркий в некоторых случаях. Но, не важно, как настроена гитара, важно, кто играет)
I think both sound nice and I use both tunings along with 444 sometimes or 420 for sharts & giggles. Either way that high pitch electronic interference ruins both in your playing examples.
It’s still technically imperfect regardless of base frequency due to not having a true temper neck with those weird squiggly frets . Try James Taylor tuning with A at 430.
Both sound beautifully. 440 sounds more refined, not necessarily in a good sense. Like, a little bit devoid of some acoustic flavours. 432 sounds a little bit off, but kind of warmer and with some subtle undertones. Somebody said 'nostalgic'. Well, maybe.
Don't listen to music for a while then enjoy 'A'. Don't listen to music for a while then enjoy 'B'. Personally, unless you have keen absolute pitch, I really don't think this matters that much. I do not have absolute pitch, so I am biased. However from a practical standpoint, tuning is more about what you want the basslines to sound like. As a musician, you need to ask yourself these questions: 1.) What bass notes do I have access to? 2.) What bass notes do I want at any given time? 3.) If I played the music in a different key, will the bass notes/harmonic content sound the way I intend to convey? 4.) (if producing an album) Do I need to have different keys of songs in order to give the listener subliminal variety? Sometimes playing a certain piece of music in a lower key will make the bassline sound more powerful. Other times, it will make the bassline sound indistinct and boomy, or even worse: muddy. However, tune a piece of music too high and the bassline will lose potency: however, sometimes you want a piece of music to chime only in the trebles like a music box. This is wonderful piece of music that I think fits the music box paradigm of my own imagination. Therefore, I prefer the higher pitched version for that reason alone. It shines better -- might even survive a couple semitones higher without sounding like a mosquito.
I mean, I'm used to 432. It's only an 18 cent difference. 440 only sounds slightly sharper and brighter. The whole thing started in the early days of recording to tape because of adjustable recording speeds, meaning variances in pitch. There's no real hocus pocus behind it. Technically earlier than that cause it was supposedly a favorite concert pitch of Verdi. He probably used it live in the orchestra pit because the added mid range would be easier heard and projected.
For all the people (without perfect pitch) saying that 432 sounds different, it's only because you are hearing it immediately after the other. If it were played by itself and was labeled 440, you wouldn't know (again, unless you've got perfect pitch or ridiculously good relative pitch).
We like 432 when presented with it in opposition to 440 because it’s something we don’t hear often, and so our ears Notice - a great example of this is in La Vie Boheme in Rent, when Roger plays “Musetta’s Waltz” in the middle, the guitar is tuned Just Slightly Lower than all the rest of the music in the song, to evoke a melancholy feeling, and then the sudden rush of energy as the song picks back up again in concert pitch
Maybe music theory nowadays is like newtonian laws back in the day. Newtonian laws nowadays are regarded as pretty good approximations for Quantum Mechanics, maybe we need to take a better look at 432 hz as an entrance to Quantum Musichanics
432 have more joyful, sincere, and profound sounds to me even though i feel the guitarist played the 440 with more Intension of making it sound good and groovy.
Honestly its just the fact with 440herz I could hear the audio becoming forced and not neatly done, but like the other commenter said at the end was nice, 432 I prefer still
I used to tune to ear starting with A from what resonated naturally for me and was always a bit flat from others that used tuners. Turns out I was tuning to 432 essentially. I think it sounds better but it reminds me of my first many years of playing alone with no need to use a tuner. edit - I just went and grabbed a guitar that I remembered I had last tuned this way with no tuner. It was basically perfectly in tune with 432. 😃
I closed my eyes to help prevent some sort of bias and I felt like the 2nd one felt fuller, while the 1st one sounded kind of tinny. Looks like I enjoy 432 more. I thought I'd prefer 440, since that is what all my instruments are tuned to and it would sound more familiar. I was wrong. Neat.
Having had my eyes closed the whole video; not knowing which is which, I say the first part definitely felt beautiful. So, let me see now which I picked... Ok hahah,, Ok! Guess I'm wired different.
The parts are played slight different so it makes it tough to pick. I like the melody part played in 432, but the chord at the end sounded better in 440
Sorry to ruin the experience for you but he is playing the same riff. The different hz values can bring in or out values in cords, so it sounds somewhat different.
@@rileymcgillivary6347 I think what they're referring to is the slight differences in performance. I.e. playing softer or harder in different places.
Exactly what I was thinking. I did not expect any difference, but I liked the higher parts better in 432 - though the last chord sounded a bit off in that tuning. Maybe just because I'm so used to hearing chords in 440.
That's odd, we would expect the 432 to sound better as a chord as this is closer to true temperament
@@FrankFurther no it's not, unless you're replacing the frets the guitar will always play 12 tone equal temperament, it's just shifted a tiny bit
432 is so much warmer and pleasing to me in this comparison
Stop lying
@@rollingreskey I don't need to, even Mozart played in 432hz, anyone with any ounce of musical ability can hear 432hz is better, you're just tone deaf, and programmed 😵💫
I’m surprised at how many people preferred 432 over 440 😂 Neither sounded “wrong” but 440 is what my ear recognizes as home… 432 sounds out of place and therefore perks my ears up. It’s refreshing
Despite being well aware of what's going on in this comparison, and the science behind it all. The reason I would say I prefer 432 in this case is that it adds a bit more moodiness to it, due to the fact that it is technically tuned down slightly.
The fak?
the reason most people like 432 is because thats the range we naturally resonate to. which is why 432 was the default musical tuning range up until it got changed to a default 440.
might wanna ask ya self why it was changed.
Thats right as if it wasn't already clear enough, THEY HATE US ALL!
@@theozzyjoker2985 Where in literal hell did you read that we "naturally resonate" to 432hz? What does that even mean? How does that apply across the western chromatic scale? I'm going to need some citations here.
IMO, i like more 430hz, because it gives a more deep, and low sound that i like xd
440 sounded like enjoying a memory of sunshine and simple moments with a loved one. 432 sounded like reminiscing about a similar memory but with a slight sad twinge, like remembering the same day except the loved one is now gone.
Nice analogy.
What a trip, 440hz sounds sharper and 432 sound smoother, just it. I still prefer 440hz, seems more "correct" for my ears.
@@PEDRELVIS440 always sounds wrong after listening to 432
@@BrazilianImperialist Not for me.
amen
The second one (432) is my personal favorite, it sounds... Nostalgic... Kinda lo-fi vibe Anyways, both sounds amazing and wonderful, such a nice melody to listen to
You get this effect only because they were played one after the other (the second one was thus slightly tuned lower, giving it a more "nostalgic/sad" tone). In isolation, you probably wouldn't have heard any difference.
It just sounds lower than the other one in reference, there's literally nothing to it.
"kinda lo-fi vibe" aka slightly out of tune aka low fidelity.
Yeah, it has that lofi feel to it, because lofi usually means somewhat out of tune, and 432 is pretty much as out of tune as it can be, in relation to the standard, aka the what we have learned to associate to be in tune.
@@Hexalyse For me this isn't exactly the case. It's hard to explain but 432 A (roughly) is what I naturally tuned to for years while I was learning ; before I had ever played with others. I almost never played along with recordings either. I didn't even own a tuner until after around 10 years of playing. This was long before even learning about the old 432 standard. I feel some sort of sameness with it.
Still to this day if I don't have a tuner and I tune without a 440 reference I naturally tune to 432sh. Close enough anyway. I've always been able to hear A resonating from different things like electronic fans or even nature. I know it sounds odd but it's actually true. Anyway, whatever it is about 432, coincidence or not, I have an inbuilt relationship with it.
I actually prefer 440 and I thinks its wild to see how many selected 432. Awesome dynamic video
it really doesn't matter when you're playing, both sounds amazing
yeh just play lol
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Try to tune A at 444hz....
@@user-sy3ji2zh8f just tune it to 4444Hz
432 sounded much more melancholic to me, whereas 440 feels more like a happy kind of sad. Like at the end of a movie when there's a "tearful reunion"
There’s literally no magic here. The reason why most people _prefer_ 432 over 440 is because one has been tuned down relative to the other. It’s the same reason people like _slowed + reverb_ renditions of their favourite songs…
YOU DON'T SAY
Which is why I would love to hear something else in reverse order and see how the change from 432 up feels.
So, in combination to other points brought up in this thread, I'll add Jacob Colliers explaination to Adam Neeley's. A432 is tuned down from A440, which according to science, puts it a little flatter than normal to our ears, which are more or less tuned to A440 these days. And so it being lower in pitch sounds warmer to our ear. If we tuned to say, A450, it would be brighter, and sharper to our ears. That's all it really is, is a conversation on bright vs warm and to what degree. It's just a way to add subtle flavor to a piece of music, and has a lot less to do with frequencies and universal vibration than the psudospiritual A432 cultists would like to think.
i don’t know if this will be answered cause none of my comments get answered too but could someone please explain to me what 432/440 is i’ve only been playing around a year and a half so i’m still pretty new lol
Nightcore fans: *triggered, visible frustration*
For those of you wondering, this is an excerpt from his song "Orb", I highly recomend you check it out.
(I am on team 432hz btw)
its part of orb, but its mainly from "funeral"
sugsug not really, saying it's mainly from funeral would mean (at least from what i interpreted) that this tune would seem more distinct to the funeral one, and i couldn't see anything that confirmed this. It's the same excerpt found in both songs, same tune and all. Nothing further to distinguish it as being more "funeral" was included here.
A lot of Ichika's songs have snippets from the short audios, yet they still feel unique and distinct from each other despite the connection. So i guess i just find it more right to consider that the piece is either both a part of the songs, or mainly from the two, not one or the other.
However, if you're referring about how funeral was the original and therefore, it is the origin in which the tune itself stemmed from, then you'd be correct it being mainly due to funeral's existence. Yknow at this point, idk why i even bothered to think so much over this lol, i think i haven't touched enough grass.
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@@sugsug3536 Oh fair point, I have heard all of his clips but forgot about funeral-- originally funeral, used in orb.
Cries in i miss you
It's fascinating how the direct comparison gives such different vibes despite the notes being nearly identical
beautiful playing sir, the 432hz was more to my taste if i am being honest
432. I normally tune this way. I like the sound and feel
Love this idea! I've never played with 432. Quite the shock to the ears at first but it's nice. I can't decide though! Record your albums again in 432 and I'll think about it then :P
Slow them down 1.8%? Would that work? Or would the harmonics mean it wouldn’t?
Check out hideaway by Jacob collier, starts in 432 then goes to 449
If anyone is curious i'll share the actual science behind WHY 432hz is the genuine tuning standard as opposed to the 440hz used today (or 435hz from 1859 - 1939)
The reason? A=432hz is an equal-tempered scale, which is a type of frequency scale where all the notes have been mathematically adjusted to sound in harmony with each other throughout the entire musical range. as it is mathematically based on the overtone series of A and all corresponding notes.
At its core, music is pure mathematics - calculable air vibrations whose frequencies overlap according to physical rules. These frequencies stand in certain mathematical relations to each other. If you build the pure tuning on the 432 Hz frequency, not only all octaves result in the cross sum 9, but also every note of the chromatic 12 scale.
There is no other scale that has this property.
Hope this helps clear the air a bit, since most people just claim its the earths natural frequency. Which isn't necessarily wrong, its just incomplete.
The electromagnetic waves generated by the earth that are present within its atmosphere have a frequency of 8hz, when counting up 5 octaves, you reach 256hz. This frequency is C in the scale where A is 432Hz, which is in parity with the frequency of the electromagnetic waves generated by the earth. Anyways that's where the whole "natural frequency" claim originated, its not wrong, most just take it at face value without learning the mathematics behind why. Now you do! :D
I like 432hz more. It's subtle but it gives it just enough of a more.. full? sound.
This is really just a testament to some basic rules of thumb with tones. Lower tones sound better for melody and are more moving to us, but with chords higher frequencies sound better because there are less overtones interacting and making mud.
Either/or. The idea that 432 is some magical number seems to have originally been promoted by Verdi but been popularized by the Lyndon LaRouche movement. Historically the actual frequency of "A" varied wildly showing a generally upward trend until the mid 1800s, when the French standardized it at 435hz. There's no real scientific reason for 432 to feel different than 440, unless played right after one another (obviously). And of course in reality we all just tune to the bass player since it's faster that way.
@T What do you mean "creates semi tones"?
exactly bro... I told you I was too drunk to say it like that. You got it word for word. im Fucked lol
did you know that there is a "scientific reason" and manner in which sound interacts with water - there is a whole field of study, called cymatics.. and did you also know that the human adult body is like %60 water? You meant to say that "you" don't know of any scientific reason :)
@@DatHombre harmonics?
@@TheMichaelvolz I've heard of cymatics. its a way of seeing sound waves with some sort of medium like sand or water. and it makes geometric patterns depending on the frequency or signal. really cool stuff my dude
In 432 it sounds somewhat more spatial, like deep. At 440 it is a warmer and brighter feeling. (From google, because my english is very bad xD)
440 is twangy, majestic and a little gritty 432 is cleaner, consistent and calm
432 is my preference based on sound alone, but in the context of a song, 440 would work well to spice things up.
440 is the norm though so if anything 432 would be spicing things up.
@@JVR10893 Perhaps it’s due to the frequency that Ichika uses in his style, but 440hz feels unnatural to me.
Bro…. the only reason you say this because it’s been tuned down relative to the original. _Slowed + reverb_ tracks do this on a regular basis…
@@leaveitorsinkit242 ikr, 432 definitely sounded like lofi/chill and looser than 440. most if not all musicians would say that 440 is consistent, tight and clean, not the other way around
@@lancepanics2996 No… I’m that saying whenever you tune something down… you perceive it to be warmer or cleaner or whatever. We could literally say the same thing about any two frequencies…
I did instantly feld a peace feeling on the 432, and it's not the firs time. It's awesome
The harmonics on 432 hz sound so much warmer and expansive to me.
432 has more of a feeling to it. I love it
432 sounds more whistful and warm. But I can imagine a song where it switches from 440 at the starting verse to 432 in a later verse as the emotion of the song develops. Brilliant Ichika!
It does make a difference if you use the same strings.
One reason I've seen for raising pitch in orchestras over the years is that they sound better - particularly stringed instruments: you get more harmonics.
It fairly easy to check for yourself:
Take a 12 string acoustic, tune to 440, and put a capo on the 2nd fret.
Play a piece and record that.
Then tune the same guitar to 415 (which sounds as a half step lower), put the capo on the third fret, and play the same piece.
You'll definitely hear the difference in how the strings behave and respond.
Pitching ever higher has the obvious drawback that the tension goes up too - which will, in acoustic instruments, cause issues over time.
440 hz sounded dull and piercing while 432 hz sounding ringing and buzzing. I know I prefer 432 hz to my ear, but I play in it a lot. Great Vid!😄
Ain't got no problem with 440 hz.
I’m going with 432 on account of that’s the one that gave me full body chills even though I knew I’d hear the same piece. I also didn’t know which was which until the end, had to rewind to see the “second one” was 432. Great stuff.
Switched to 432 a few months ago and enjoy it a lot. On my guitar the strings have more resonance and tone around 432 than 440, you can hear it opening up and getting that "perfect tune" sound. Sometimes on 440 I have a hard time keeping the thing in good tune, not sure why, maybe too much tension.
I personally prefer the 432Hz. I don’t know what kind of effect is applied, but I feel like 432Hz is more warm, comfy and emotional.
432 is felt in my heart chakra clearly. I feel directed to be in my body. 440 I’m in my head and disconnected from my heart and body. 432 for the win IMHO
I think that this is the first time I’m realizing that my ears are pretty much tuned to 440hz? The 432hz sounded really good still but like it had a slightly desolate tone somehow. It was warmer, more heartfelt in tone but I think I also felt like it was out of tune which doesn’t make sense given how little difference there really is and the fact that it’s really still A. Idk, if it weren’t for side by side I probably wouldn’t have seen such a big difference but now I’m curious if that’s the secret to why some game music really feels more like despair in Dark Souls for instance (not that it’s in 432hz or anything, but I could see that being a reason for the music feeling even more like it does aside from the composition alone.)
yeah I thought it sounded out of tune aswell
440 is like fallin in love (ghibli vibes), 432 is like remember a sad and sour love (Mac de Marco vibes). i hope this will help u.
A432 was the old concert standard until 1953. Beautiful tuning.
prolly why in my head, I thought ''432 sounds more SULTERY... 440 sounds more PERCISE....'' :)
The tuning standard varied a lot around the world until it was standardized to 440. I'm pretty sure 432 was never a universally recognized standard.
The tuning standard was different everywhere. In France it was 435. Back in Mozart's time it was 428.
The French 435 Hz "standard", which was introduced in 1859, was the first attempt to standardize pitch on a larger scale. Even within France, it varied wildly depending on region. There was basically no pitch standard at all, and they also used other types of divisions of the octave, and interval ratios (Pythagorean, Ptolemaic, mean-tone temperament, etc).
As long as the intonation and intervals are the same across it makes a negligible difference. The only thing that does change is how the frequencies respond so some notes will be slightly more shrill and others will have even more of a round low end or be too low to properly resonate
@@coryturke7336 yeah I believe we just tune everything to 440 so we have general tuning consistency between instruments. Nobody is going to tune down a piano for a jam sesh or performance of some kind so if we have a standardized tuning frequency then all the instruments playing together will be in tune together. Kind of like how we have 12 tone equal temperament tuning which is a kind of compromise allowing us to play in any key on instruments like piano and guitar. Most people don't even know that to play a chord in tune the 3rd of the chord has to be something like 20cents flat and the 5th is supposed to be about 2cents sharp in order to make those frequencies align perfectly but that means we would have to adjust certain notes every time they came up as a different part of a chord. It was just easier to make everything "equally out of tune" (this is where the name 12 tone equal temperament comes from) so that instruments that don't play only one note at a time can play in all keys and we just got used to hearing out of tune chords.
Went a little bit down the rabbit hole on that but I also wanted to say that other cultures use different tunings as well. I know for sure that in Japan they tune to a lower frequency and this could be the case for many other countries, some of which might even tune up. Very interesting especially when microtonal music/instruments are taken into consideration
432 is gonna sound nicer to most people if shown after 440 since the slightly lower tuning sounds warmer in comparison. Could easily compare 440 and 434 and 434 would sound nicer right after hearing 440
I strongly disagree, I’ve read numerous articles comparing the earths frequency also known as the Schumann resonance to 440 and 432. 432 is used by all natural organisms therefore it is far more relevant than any other tuning and that’s why we used it for thousands of years. Also Robert Edward Grant spent countless hours using mathematical formulas to prove by 432 is more resonant and better than 440. when you make general statements it’s as if you stopped looking for the answers, I read multiple articles in order to come to my conclusions and have undeniable formulas with numbers to argue my point in favor of 432.
@@alexanderallegra432 And that's complete bullshit. There is nothing inherently special about 432Hz. It's that simple. I guarantee you no one except those with perfect pitch can discern 432Hz from 430Hz when just listening to one of them.
@@alexanderallegra432 I have also read multiple articles both in favor of and against the notion that 432hz is the better tuning standard. Bold of you to assume that because I don't agree with you that I've done no research. The idea that 432hz is somehow more pure is new-age pseudoscience.
@@alexanderallegra432 Adam Neely has a video about this subject. I'd suggest checking it out and watching it with an open mind.
@@alexanderallegra432 okay bro. make sure you charge up your crystals and find your chakras when you're listening as well for the best experience.
There seemed to be more clarity in 440, but also the highs were a little grating. 432 was more pleasant but also more mushy. I'd say go with the 440 but do something about those eardrum piercing highs. I could also get better headphones. lol
i like 432 better
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He could’ve played them and lied as to which is which and there would’ve been no way you’d realised. You literally can’t prefer on or the other cause at the end, it’s really no different.
@@hellodumplings8564 my man is spitting facts
On your way some people say 432 sounds flat to them, if you grew up with 4:40, I can see where that would happen.
440 did sound a little shrill to me at times. But I also happen to be a fan of minor and diminished keys, so I kind of like the flatness
432 is more enchanting; it seems Softer to the touch and therefore you can so easily drift off into the melody.
The odd notes also seem to hit better on 432
It’s extremely subtle but 432 does give more of a sense of tranquility and overall harmony. 440 feels ever so slightly off and disorienting especially when directly compared. Nice clip 👍
I would say that the first one sounded more full, and more confident as far as tone goes, but the second one each note was crystalline clear and very emotional in its own right, so for which sounds better? Depends on what you’re thinking about and feeling at the time, at first listen maybe the more full sounding, resolved feel of the first may be better, and on a second listen, the more nostalgic sound of each note ringing together may strike your ear better. That is why music is amazing, because the same thing twice is not ever the same thing it was the first time…
I’ve read numerous articles comparing the earths frequency also known as the Schumann resonance to 440 and 432. 432 is used by all natural organisms therefore it is far more relevant than any other tuning and that’s why we used it for thousands of years. Also Robert Edward Grant spent countless hours using mathematical formulas to prove by 432 is more resonant and better than 440. when you make general statements it’s as if you stopped looking for the answers, I read multiple articles in order to come to my conclusions and have undeniable formulas with numbers to argue my point in favor of 432.
@@alexanderallegra432 the Schumann resonance isn't exactly 432 though, clearly you don't know the science behind music. The Schumann resonance actually has a fundamental closer to 430.4 Hertz, not 432 Hertz. Every frequency played second after the first is going to sound better, if it was 432 Hertz then 440 Hertz you would prefer 440, right? Honestly, it doesn't matter what frequency you prefer or like, but to say one sounds subjectively 'better' is utter nonsense. Also, we haven't used it for thousands of years, standard baroque tuning for A was actually closer to A flat, so it's not like we've used it for the entire duration of human history. Be careful what you read on the internet, bro.
440 sounds harsher and 432 sounds a little off at first but more mellow than 440
440 sounds nice and 432 sounds like a sad song and happy at the same time :)
Beautiful as always. A432 has this wierd history, alot of pipe organs in old churches tuned this way, cymatic frequency shows similar/ same art patterns in old temples across the worse on tiles. A good rabbit hole to go down
I mean, 440 is supposed to be the one but 432 has the lofi vibe and instantly gave me that dopamine hit
As classical musician hearing the 432hz open strings makes me feel like something is out of tune.
"you have perfect p-" 🤓
I bet.
it only became standard in the 20th century before it was usually lower
I mean I am not a trained musician and it also feels slightly out of toon in some parts
this stuff has nothing to do with what you think
440 scientifically causes brain damage
it’s what you were born on every song you’ve ever heard all your favorite songs why else wouldn’t you let go of it
Mmm😌...the sound of your guitar is so natural and soothing to my ears..i love both the pitch but i prefer 440
The most fun is what happens when you use them both at the same time. The frequency ratio 440/432 simplifies to 55/54, and this comma has the property that it turns a minor third (which is a 6/5 just ratio) into a neutral third (which is an 11/9 just ratio), that is (55/54)(6/5) = (11/9).
So if you play minor thirds and sevenths while tuned to 440Hz, and then play the tonics, fifths and maybe the fourths while tuned to 432Hz, you should end up with a really nice blues scale. Of course, if you're playing a guitar, you'd normally just bend the notes. :D
Wut? ._.)
@@anthonysmith1228 That's temperament theory (read: pitch maths) for you :)
But it's still equal temperament so the ratios remain the same.
@@eugh2866 Well, kind of, for the ratios that matter, mostly. But if you take two copies of 12 equal and separate them by 55/54 (i.e. one tuned to A = 440Hz and the other tuned to A = 432Hz), it's not quite an equally tempered tuning system any more. You have alternating gaps of 31.7 and 68.2 cents.
I just realized though that there's a little bit of a problem with this scheme: 12 equal's minor third is already 15.6 cents flat of a justly tuned 6/5, and that means when we raise it by 31.7 cents, we're the same 15.6 cents flat of the 11/9 neutral third, but 16.1 cents sharp of the 6/5 minor third. Still, it probably works well enough to get some really nice bluesy things happening.
@@cgibbard I prefer the Gamelan style 7-TET myself, hehehe.
I'd like to see these conditions applied to Dr Emoto-style water crystal or rice experiments, to gauge if there are any significant frequency responses - ie, harmonious vs disruptive. If there are, it could raise questions about what is culturally normalized. And why....
would be really cool to have a pedal that changes from 440 to 432 every now and then, to have this nostalgic, lo-fi-ish feel to everything you play through it
I started smiling and my stomach felt the smile too on the 2nd guitar sounds played! wow please take over the entire world with 432hz the world needs it....I wonder what would happen if 900 guitarists spread around waring countries in safe places played 432hz melody staring from 9 o lock in the rising sun till 12 noon every day for 3 weeks what would happen...😉😊
Verdi tuning captures when sound uniformly resonates and behaves within nature. Our ears may not immediately distinguish a qualitative improvement in this microtonal difference, but when we look at how the sound (vibrations in air) behaves in this tuning, something very impressive occurs. The fact that a master luthier naturally found a balance in the resonance of this harmonic range (A=432hz) when designing instruments for exhibiting for the best range of dynamics and quality of sound in concerts, he didn't even know half of what we would go on to discover about his tuning through the study of cymatics (see tonoscopes and the chladni plate)...
440 sounds more in-tune but a little harder and 432 sounds pretty flat but feels more chill and relaxed, this is just imo.
Amazingly, 432Hz actually sounds significantly better. Slightly warmer, the overtones and harmonics resonate more nicely, and the guitar sounds just a little "looser" in a way that lends life to the piece. Excellent work, Ichika.
440 for better listening and being into the music and 432 for hearing while doing something like studying or something like that
both are amazing tunes, i think that the only distinction is that the first one is a much cleaner tune meanwhile as the other comments are saying the second one has a lo-fi tune and to me it has some mute to it
432 sounds great. You should do something in 444hz. The Beatles used to do alot in 444hz cause our hearts beat at 444 when we're in love
My vote is 440Hz
Having messed around tuning to both frequencies I find that 432hz can sound good and is nice to play, this is because you're downtuning the strings slightly, which relaxes the tension in them, making the notes and your playing feel more relaxed.
But also A at 432hz just sounds out of tune if heard immediately after A at 440hz.
As someone who learned to recognize out-of-tune pitches by ear on wind instruments, focusing on detuned or alternate tuning music makes me kinda uncomfortable. However, having it on in the background has a nostalgic casette-tape feel to me.
432 reminds me of old anime shows like Eureka7 or NGE or maybe even FMAB. I'm a sucker for nostalgia
440 Hz sounded more full while 432 Hz sounded softer and more serene.
The 440 was a little bit annoying to my ears, but anyway. I wasn’t expecting too much about the 432, but it took me offguard, it moved me to tears. Thank you!
432 sounds better imo, seems a lot brighter
Nuh-uh!
If you tune to 444 Hertz ( A) That makes ( C ) 528Hz so plus 16 cent fine tuning sounds much better to me than 440 or 432 😃
432 has that slightly off, yet incredibly resonant harmonic vibe to it.
432❤️❤️❤️🎵🎶🎵 My wife did a blind test… she immediately liked 432 more than 440… I also feel the same 🙂🎶🎵🎶❤️
For the record: exactly 440hz is the note: A4. This is the modern standard and any note a semitone above is (12th root of 2, or about 1.059463094359295) times is frequency.
This ensures that an octave is exactly double the frequency of a root note: A4 is 440hz, A5 is 880hz, A3 is 220hz.
There was a debate on what would be the universally accepted frequency as to set a perfect standard for the world: 440hz or 432hz.
Some sick, twisted mathematics said it should’ve been 438.689 or something like that because it has some kind of mathematical, geometrical symmetries through our universe, but let’s be honest: these were psycho mathematicians LOL.
We eventually settled on 440hz, and I believe this is because of the slightly more pleasing high-end, crisp tone and the fact that since instruments after good wear and tear begin to slightly fall flat, it is better to be a bit too sharp than a bit too flat.
This has become the modern standard, and has stayed this way for several decades, but 432hz music still exists and Ichika is here to (in a beautiful way) ask you: “Hey! Which one do you like more?”
But a hertz is an arbitrary unit of measurement, based on the arbitrary notion of a second. Just because the number is convenient in division doesn't make it a significant property of the universe. I could easily define my own unit of measurement, the flertz, meaning one beat per blecond, with a blecond defined so that 432fz = 440hz, and it would work just as well.
@@froobly 440hz was our human, arbitrary, yet good and necessary standardization.
It was sought after through ambiguous, rigorous academic debate, not empirical, unfalsifiable science.
It basically makes as much sense as having 10 different numbers in a single digit to use as our math system. If for chance, why not use 8, or 9, or 12, or even 20 numbers in one digit?
It’s an arbitrary, but necessary method of standardization.
Besides, I said ~438.69…hz was considered among many as pertaining to its mathematical geometrical universality, not unlike the constant, Phi, not 440 and I never said it was for division reasons.
440=2*2*2*5*11
432=2*2*2*2*3*3*3
If anything, we’d actually prefer 432 for division reasons.
Back to back, 432 is calmer and a lot of people prefer that however it makes me feel like something is off
I could be wrong but I do believe that youtube and all major streaming services automatically convert their audio to 440hz that being said in my personal opinion 432hz is 1000x better for music listening and music enjoyment in general as 432hz is mathematically more resonant with the human body so it is a natural harmonic to us. The switch from 432hz as the standard to 440hz as a standard was opposed by many prominant musicians of the age some even declaring that 440hz would create an isolated and anxious society of individuals...
The idea that 432 hz has some magic properties is pure hogwash. The vast majority of musicians get along just fine with 440hz, but some like to be different. And that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that, but it's silly to attempt to assign some special meaning to a tuning that you wouldn't be able to identify without measuring equipment or advertising.
@@davilathegreat I don't recall writing anything about magic properties in my post? Any way what youre talking about and what I am talking about are two very different things.
@@g.y.p.s.y. Yeah, you said that "432hz is mathematically more resonant with the human body," and that's total bullshit. It's cool that you like detuned music, but there's nothing scientific or mathematical about 432hz. It's literally just detuned. And detuning songs is actually quite popular.
@@davilathegreat Mathematics and living organisms responding to frequencies? Doesn't sound like magic to me. Magical thinking aligns closer to the illusion of over-identifying with the thoughts/ideas/opinions/beliefs in one's head.
The Schumann RESONANCE'S FUNDAMENTAL IS ACTUALLY CLOSER TO 330.4 HERTZ NOT 432
Compared to each other both are spot-on "A", lol, but 432 is 'darker' while 440 is 'brighter'. Sweet interlude!
432 звучит ближе к lo-fi, т.е мягкий, магический, расслабляющий, а 440 более резкий и яркий в некоторых случаях. Но, не важно, как настроена гитара, важно, кто играет)
432 sounds like it's being played at a theatre. It draws you in better.
I was surprised at how much difference I felt, and I preferred 432.
I think both sound nice and I use both tunings along with 444 sometimes or 420 for sharts & giggles. Either way that high pitch electronic interference ruins both in your playing examples.
440hz seems to harsh on the higher tones. 432hz is just smoother and easier to listen too
I agree, the high tones pierce the ears a bit much.
I found that I love 432 hz its the only way I tune my guitar/write in and I find the chords just sound so much more complete and full
I feel the 440Hz have a little bit Sharper & Crisper tone which go deep into the inner space than the 432Hz which I feel more be relaxing.
They both sound awesome with your guitar playing, but I would pick the latter.
As a musician with accurate relative pitch 440 sounds better to me bc it’s what I’m used to :) they both sound great though
It’s still technically imperfect regardless of base frequency due to not having a true temper neck with those weird squiggly frets . Try James Taylor tuning with A at 430.
Both sound beautifully. 440 sounds more refined, not necessarily in a good sense. Like, a little bit devoid of some acoustic flavours. 432 sounds a little bit off, but kind of warmer and with some subtle undertones. Somebody said 'nostalgic'. Well, maybe.
440 is clear but the high end is piercing. 432 is smoother and hurts my ears less but I can hear a note in the background like a ringing in your ears
Don't listen to music for a while then enjoy 'A'.
Don't listen to music for a while then enjoy 'B'.
Personally, unless you have keen absolute pitch, I really don't think this matters that much. I do not have absolute pitch, so I am biased. However from a practical standpoint, tuning is more about what you want the basslines to sound like. As a musician, you need to ask yourself these questions:
1.) What bass notes do I have access to?
2.) What bass notes do I want at any given time?
3.) If I played the music in a different key, will the bass notes/harmonic content sound the way I intend to convey?
4.) (if producing an album) Do I need to have different keys of songs in order to give the listener subliminal variety?
Sometimes playing a certain piece of music in a lower key will make the bassline sound more powerful. Other times, it will make the bassline sound indistinct and boomy, or even worse: muddy. However, tune a piece of music too high and the bassline will lose potency: however, sometimes you want a piece of music to chime only in the trebles like a music box. This is wonderful piece of music that I think fits the music box paradigm of my own imagination. Therefore, I prefer the higher pitched version for that reason alone. It shines better -- might even survive a couple semitones higher without sounding like a mosquito.
I mean, I'm used to 432. It's only an 18 cent difference. 440 only sounds slightly sharper and brighter. The whole thing started in the early days of recording to tape because of adjustable recording speeds, meaning variances in pitch. There's no real hocus pocus behind it. Technically earlier than that cause it was supposedly a favorite concert pitch of Verdi. He probably used it live in the orchestra pit because the added mid range would be easier heard and projected.
For all the people (without perfect pitch) saying that 432 sounds different, it's only because you are hearing it immediately after the other. If it were played by itself and was labeled 440, you wouldn't know (again, unless you've got perfect pitch or ridiculously good relative pitch).
432 was like an angelic spa
We like 432 when presented with it in opposition to 440 because it’s something we don’t hear often, and so our ears Notice - a great example of this is in La Vie Boheme in Rent, when Roger plays “Musetta’s Waltz” in the middle, the guitar is tuned Just Slightly Lower than all the rest of the music in the song, to evoke a melancholy feeling, and then the sudden rush of energy as the song picks back up again in concert pitch
I like 440 for it’s crisp clear tone. but I’m sure they are both suited for different scenarios.
I love both, but, it doesn't matter, because it's not de Hz, it's the quality of the artist, and ichika is the god of music
Maybe music theory nowadays is like newtonian laws back in the day. Newtonian laws nowadays are regarded as pretty good approximations for Quantum Mechanics, maybe we need to take a better look at 432 hz as an entrance to Quantum Musichanics
432 have more joyful, sincere, and profound sounds to me even though i feel the guitarist played the 440 with more Intension of making it sound good and groovy.
Honestly its just the fact with 440herz I could hear the audio becoming forced and not neatly done, but like the other commenter said at the end was nice, 432 I prefer still
I used to tune to ear starting with A from what resonated naturally for me and was always a bit flat from others that used tuners. Turns out I was tuning to 432 essentially. I think it sounds better but it reminds me of my first many years of playing alone with no need to use a tuner.
edit - I just went and grabbed a guitar that I remembered I had last tuned this way with no tuner. It was basically perfectly in tune with 432. 😃
Awesome!!!! 😎🙌
I prefer 432 for songs in certain keys:
C minor
D minor
F minor
G minor
A# minor
D# major
F major
A# major
432hz has always felt more in tune with my nature.
Got a chill from the 432, thanks
I closed my eyes to help prevent some sort of bias and I felt like the 2nd one felt fuller, while the 1st one sounded kind of tinny. Looks like I enjoy 432 more. I thought I'd prefer 440, since that is what all my instruments are tuned to and it would sound more familiar. I was wrong. Neat.
432 sounds like how I imagined any music needs to be.
432 is Magic, good vibration, paix sur vous
Having had my eyes closed the whole video; not knowing which is which, I say the first part definitely felt beautiful. So, let me see now which I picked...
Ok hahah,, Ok! Guess I'm wired different.