Yea...im the atc from PSP and this is not the complete recording. EJA stepped on a FRC twice Prior to this. I was working ground and clearance and it was busy and i had already told him to stand by and he was #3. He keeps calling. I would have looked up his time and amended it had he asked me but instead he was a jerk and made the comment about 8 out of 10 towers. He also was wrong about his proposed departure time... It was almost an hour later. IFR flight plans print out 30 minutes before the proposed departure time that the pilot files. I was not wrong in this situation. In fact, when this recording first came out a couple years ago, he sent me a certified mail apology letter that I kept on my fridge until I moved. I've been in controller for 12 years, I'm not lazy, I have 150 hours of flight experience and I love and respect The aviation community, however I am not going to tolerate disrespect on the frequency just because someone is mad that it's not their turn.
Awesome! Can view comments. I supported my fellow NATCA controller. At my facility we have to call flight data if on gnd or local to change plans anyway. Pilot was a douche.
Thanks @@idkjames Union strong! We can change them, i usually give one courtesy update if They are about to time out after 2 hours. We don't update anyone with an EDCT. And usually for corporate or commercial, They ask us to change their time if they are leaving sooner. The pilot that told him he was being rude was Alaska the real MVP. I hate things like this on the internet because people don't know the full story and everybody has an opinion and it's usually wrong ... Lol
@@Contact_departure lmao i have one on the internet luckily was no biggie. But yes support each other! I havent worked local in a long time but i said in previous comments were correct: we just have people second guessing us all the time
The controllers are overworked this is a result of systemic failure of course some of them are gonna break or get overwhelmed easier when they are constantly mentally & emotionally drained. 10 hour shifts. 1 day off a week. 365. Lotta alcoholics. Lotta sleep deprived burnt out controllers out there. Pilots and controllers should lobby for each other we’re in this together ultimately.
@@Lukeduke7773 I get pissed off at my boss but I don't take it out on my customers. JFK controllers can get pissed sometimes, but they don't lose it like this guy did. Being an ATC isnt' for everybody. This guy is one of them.
@@Flight_Followerive never. Playing this back for coworkers. He is saying “im not confident enough to handle traffic,” so im going to freak out. Gosh, ive gotten some bad academy assignments but that takes the cake. Esp at what a level 5/6? Lol I guarantee you he washed out of FAA. Douche.
There is no excuse for the Leesburg controllers behavior. Telling pilots to figure it out at a tower controlled airport should make that his last day. Very unprofessional.
I would have announced on frequency that the airport should now be treated as an uncontrolled field and everyone announce their intentions as the tower is not staffed with a competent controller. 😂. When the FSDO hears about this they should agree.
I seriously thought the first recording was from that RUclips channel where a bunch if flight Sim people are flying around and sometimes people are in the tower lol
Dude seriously that guy was a piece of work. Throws a huge attitude being super disrespectful, then has the audacity to say the Controller was getting smart.
I have been a CPC for years and military controller prior to that. What the actual F? This is embarrassing. Unfortunately this guy will be protected by union. But should be fired. I have worked Local. Nothing is that bad. Ridiculous. Idk if ive heard anything like this. Leave your shit at home. But EJA controller is def not being rude.
the EJA controller could have simply updated the time with a few keystrokes in less time than it took her to tell him to wait 3 minutes. OMG, controllers are public SERVANTS after all.
@@WWPlaysHoldem ATC isn't there to wipe your ass nor read your mind. If the pilot had literally just asked her to update their go time, all would've been well and this fool wouldn't be getting dragged in a video on the internet. It costs absolutely nothing to be nice.
@@WWPlaysHoldemThey aren't mind readers. The pilot has to make that request to change the time. The guy was being an arrogant douchebag and rightfully got called out on it.
With the flippant controller at the beginning, I would've advised that this was a recorded frequency and ask for clarification of intentions again, otherwise, I would treat the airport as a non-towered airport. I'd land and call the FAA and local authorities due to someone in the control tower clearly presenting signs that they are a danger to persons on the ground and air. I would guarantee the FAA wouldn't violate me, due to taking "captain's authority" and maybe even declaring an emergency due to this unsafe situation the controller is creating.
If a controller straight up says “I’m not going to answer, figure it out yourselves” I’d immediately make a call as if it were untowered. Bet he’d get his poop in a group real quick. If he then felt compelled to exchange phone numbers, I’d happily suggest we plan a date for the local FSDO. 😘
What would that first controller think if his attitude caused a runway incursion? Blame it on the radio? What if he kills someone and gets charged with negligence? Blame it on the pilots? His attitude is going to get him in trouble soon. If it hasn't already. The job pays very well and has a pension, last I checked. He is paid to have a clear and level head. edit: second controller was chill in his tone until the pilot got a big attitude.
@Flight_Follower it would be a bit dull. They're just really polite. I once flew into Nottinghams airspace inadvertently and when I contacted ATC even then, they were polite.
11,500 Air traffic controllers vs 1,500 Air traffic controllers. Personally I've never experienced an unprofessional controller before in the US even when I made a mistake in the air in a Class D airspace.
The PSP controller is ignorant. She could strip request the flight plan and get the clearance or read it off the full route. She knew he was 3 mins early so she could have read the clearance minus the squawk and given that on taxi but she chose to waste time explaining something she doesn't fully understand. Lazy controllers make life tough.
I agree with u completely. It happened to me also, but the controller was very helpful and didn’t face any problems. In this situation, this is a matter of 3 minutes. Come On!
Hi, i am the PSP Controller. This recording does not give the full picture. I'm not lazy. He called up on clearance initially and I told him to change to ground and he stepped on a full route clearance read back after I already told him to stand by. He was being impatient and rude even before this recording started. Also his flight plan was not for much farther out than what he thought it was. Could I have updated it? Yes. Had he asked me and not been a jerk telling me how 8/10 towers blah blah blah. Fun fact- his company made him send me a certified mail apology letter to me at the tower and he got absolutely roasted in the netjets chat board. I have no idea why I'm being lumped in with these other unprofessional encounters. I love and respect our aviation community and I'm actually the pilot outreach coordinator at my facility. I love giving tours and helping educate our flying community. I don't know any of these other people, One thing I've learned from the internet is that anybody can splice recordings and you should take everything you hear with a grain of salt unless you actually heard it yourself on live ATC.
So glad you know how to do MY job so well. See the pinned comment for the full story. I'm not lazy ...he was wrong and kept cutting other people off 🙄 this clip doesnt provide the full picture of what was going on... additionally his company made him send me a certified mail apology letter.
I only have about 255 hours and I've never ran into these types of controllers. lol. I've even done some boneheaded stuff also. Most are helpful and when I said I was a student pilot solo and I'd just like to exit the pattern to the north, he was like "yes turn right heading 360 good day".
think about this mate, the person recording the audio would have an antenna on the ground, much weaker than what the tower has the tower's antenna is VERY powerful because they need to speak to people very far away the planes antenna isn't very powerful, because theyre in the air and they only need line of sight to the tower's antenna so tower is using a powerful radio plane is using a weak radio
Yea...im the atc from PSP and this is not the complete recording. EJA stepped on a FRC twice Prior to this. I was working ground and clearance and it was busy and i had already told him to stand by and he was #3. He keeps calling. I would have looked up his time and amended it had he asked me but instead he was a jerk and made the comment about 8 out of 10 towers. He also was wrong about his proposed departure time... It was almost an hour later. IFR flight plans print out 30 minutes before the proposed departure time that the pilot files. I was not wrong in this situation. In fact, when this recording first came out a couple years ago, he sent me a certified mail apology letter that I kept on my fridge until I moved. I've been in controller for 12 years, I'm not lazy, I have 150 hours of flight experience and I love and respect The aviation community, however I am not going to tolerate disrespect on the frequency just because someone is mad that it's not their turn.
Too bad pilots waste so much time complaining. Best to just ask nicely for a solution and move on with life. Not worth fighting over, especially when they (the controllers) might save your ass someday.
Yea...im the atc from PSP and this is not the complete recording. EJA stepped on a FRC twice Prior to this. I was working ground and clearance and it was busy and i had already told him to stand by and he was #3. He keeps calling. I would have looked up his time and amended it had he asked me but instead he was a jerk and made the comment about 8 out of 10 towers.
He also was wrong about his proposed departure time... It was almost an hour later. IFR flight plans print out 30 minutes before the proposed departure time that the pilot files. I was not wrong in this situation. In fact, when this recording first came out a couple years ago, he sent me a certified mail apology letter that I kept on my fridge until I moved. I've been in controller for 12 years, I'm not lazy, I have 150 hours of flight experience and I love and respect The aviation community, however I am not going to tolerate disrespect on the frequency just because someone is mad that it's not their turn.
Awesome! Can view comments. I supported my fellow NATCA controller. At my facility we have to call flight data if on gnd or local to change plans anyway. Pilot was a douche.
Im not too experienced only have like 947 hours as pilot. Still a douche.
Thanks @@idkjames Union strong! We can change them, i usually give one courtesy update if They are about to time out after 2 hours. We don't update anyone with an EDCT. And usually for corporate or commercial, They ask us to change their time if they are leaving sooner. The pilot that told him he was being rude was Alaska the real MVP. I hate things like this on the internet because people don't know the full story and everybody has an opinion and it's usually wrong ... Lol
@@Contact_departure lmao i have one on the internet luckily was no biggie. But yes support each other! I havent worked local in a long time but i said in previous comments were correct: we just have people second guessing us all the time
@@Contact_departure nice, see ASA a lot. They are hit or miss too
I hope someone reported that Leesburg controller. His "I'm not gonna answer and you all can figure it out" should get him fired.
This is not the right way. We expect a professional attitude from a controller of course
The controllers are overworked this is a result of systemic failure of course some of them are gonna break or get overwhelmed easier when they are constantly mentally & emotionally drained. 10 hour shifts. 1 day off a week. 365. Lotta alcoholics. Lotta sleep deprived burnt out controllers out there. Pilots and controllers should lobby for each other we’re in this together ultimately.
@@Lukeduke7773 I get pissed off at my boss but I don't take it out on my customers. JFK controllers can get pissed sometimes, but they don't lose it like this guy did. Being an ATC isnt' for everybody. This guy is one of them.
I'm pretty sure he's gone, I've never heard this controller at JYO.
@@Flight_Followerive never. Playing this back for coworkers. He is saying “im not confident enough to handle traffic,” so im going to freak out. Gosh, ive gotten some bad academy assignments but that takes the cake. Esp at what a level 5/6? Lol I guarantee you he washed out of FAA. Douche.
There is no excuse for the Leesburg controllers behavior. Telling pilots to figure it out at a tower controlled airport should make that his last day. Very unprofessional.
Wow, that first controller was rough!
Yeah
I would have announced on frequency that the airport should now be treated as an uncontrolled field and everyone announce their intentions as the tower is not staffed with a competent controller. 😂. When the FSDO hears about this they should agree.
That first controller is way out of line!
Simply. Crossed the line
When you start sounding like a bad day of VATSIM, you need to take a breather
Yeah 😀
I seriously thought the first recording was from that RUclips channel where a bunch if flight Sim people are flying around and sometimes people are in the tower lol
95C needs a visit from the FAA for possible medical evaluation
Dude seriously that guy was a piece of work. Throws a huge attitude being super disrespectful, then has the audacity to say the Controller was getting smart.
Controller needs an attitude adjustment.
Yeah
Absolutely. Hazard to aviation
@@philwaters5654 yeah
"Cessna 3ZY, I already know the phone number. I have to call after every flight."
LOL trying to get a number
I have been a CPC for years and military controller prior to that. What the actual F? This is embarrassing. Unfortunately this guy will be protected by union. But should be fired. I have worked Local. Nothing is that bad. Ridiculous. Idk if ive heard anything like this. Leave your shit at home. But EJA controller is def not being rude.
the EJA controller could have simply updated the time with a few keystrokes in less time than it took her to tell him to wait 3 minutes. OMG, controllers are public SERVANTS after all.
@@WWPlaysHoldem didnt ask. I support her. Plus we have to make a call to flight data to do it. Not that simple. Why not file your correct time?
@@WWPlaysHoldem ATC isn't there to wipe your ass nor read your mind. If the pilot had literally just asked her to update their go time, all would've been well and this fool wouldn't be getting dragged in a video on the internet. It costs absolutely nothing to be nice.
@@WWPlaysHoldemThey aren't mind readers. The pilot has to make that request to change the time. The guy was being an arrogant douchebag and rightfully got called out on it.
I know that PSP controller personally. There was a lot more going on at the time than just this small clip. She does a great job.
I don’t know what’s happened to the world and why people can’t work together
This is very unexpected from both side to my opinion.
@RetreadPhoto these things were there in the early days also. The only difference is, Now we can watch or listen
@@Flight_FollowerWhat do you mean by "these things were there in the early days also"?
No internet or social media in the '80s and prior to that...
That second guy at Lakeland sounds suspiciously like the Bravo buster in Vegas…
Lost Aircraft Causes chaos at LAX! (Bravo buster) #realatc
ruclips.net/video/2LiCjmRFVls/видео.html
The first controller… With that attitude he needs to be fired. When I’m flying, I will ask for clarification as many times as I need to.
Wow! The attitude of some of these controllers is priceless! They would have been terminated back when I was a controller!
U retired on which year sir?
Seems like the wave of new blood is starting to take a toll
“I am not calling you”😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Do we have the name of that first controller?
Nope ! Sorry
With the flippant controller at the beginning, I would've advised that this was a recorded frequency and ask for clarification of intentions again, otherwise, I would treat the airport as a non-towered airport. I'd land and call the FAA and local authorities due to someone in the control tower clearly presenting signs that they are a danger to persons on the ground and air. I would guarantee the FAA wouldn't violate me, due to taking "captain's authority" and maybe even declaring an emergency due to this unsafe situation the controller is creating.
The controller needs to take a pill.
If a controller straight up says “I’m not going to answer, figure it out yourselves” I’d immediately make a call as if it were untowered. Bet he’d get his poop in a group real quick. If he then felt compelled to exchange phone numbers, I’d happily suggest we plan a date for the local FSDO. 😘
It is your duty to report the first guy. That wasn't even close to being acceptable
Yeah! He was rude
What would that first controller think if his attitude caused a runway incursion? Blame it on the radio? What if he kills someone and gets charged with negligence? Blame it on the pilots? His attitude is going to get him in trouble soon. If it hasn't already. The job pays very well and has a pension, last I checked. He is paid to have a clear and level head.
edit: second controller was chill in his tone until the pilot got a big attitude.
JYO Tower needs a phone number to call.
How did i get lumped in with this again? 😂
😂
The Leesburg ATC in Germany we would call "Komplett überfordert".
This controller needs to be retrained or let go
3ZY changed his attitude real quick when he got that phone number lmao
Why does everyone seem so hostile lately? Is it something in the air, water, or food?
Because there are a lot of new guys who suck
Yeah! This is very unprofessional attitude
Sometimes life sucks and that projects.
Inflation, immigration, crime, interest rates…. That’s why
@@BRC332 rich kids too
Next time someone irritates me I'm just gonna say "There'll be a phone call today."
That controller is an absolute clusterfuck lol
The US seems to have a lot of unprofessional air traffic controllers. In the UK, they're super polite.
Do u want me to make a video on UK ATC? 😅
@Flight_Follower it would be a bit dull. They're just really polite. I once flew into Nottinghams airspace inadvertently and when I contacted ATC even then, they were polite.
@MrVideowill i am sure thats the way to go about it.It’s teamwork afterall! 🫡
UK size verses US is a bit extreme. When you only have 12 airports, not much to report on lol
11,500 Air traffic controllers vs 1,500 Air traffic controllers. Personally I've never experienced an unprofessional controller before in the US even when I made a mistake in the air in a Class D airspace.
The PSP controller is ignorant. She could strip request the flight plan and get the clearance or read it off the full route. She knew he was 3 mins early so she could have read the clearance minus the squawk and given that on taxi but she chose to waste time explaining something she doesn't fully understand. Lazy controllers make life tough.
I agree with u completely. It happened to me also, but the controller was very helpful and didn’t face any problems. In this situation, this is a matter of 3 minutes. Come On!
Hi, i am the PSP Controller. This recording does not give the full picture. I'm not lazy. He called up on clearance initially and I told him to change to ground and he stepped on a full route clearance read back after I already told him to stand by. He was being impatient and rude even before this recording started. Also his flight plan was not for much farther out than what he thought it was. Could I have updated it? Yes. Had he asked me and not been a jerk telling me how 8/10 towers blah blah blah.
Fun fact- his company made him send me a certified mail apology letter to me at the tower and he got absolutely roasted in the netjets chat board. I have no idea why I'm being lumped in with these other unprofessional encounters. I love and respect our aviation community and I'm actually the pilot outreach coordinator at my facility. I love giving tours and helping educate our flying community. I don't know any of these other people, One thing I've learned from the internet is that anybody can splice recordings and you should take everything you hear with a grain of salt unless you actually heard it yourself on live ATC.
So glad you know how to do MY job so well. See the pinned comment for the full story. I'm not lazy ...he was wrong and kept cutting other people off 🙄 this clip doesnt provide the full picture of what was going on... additionally his company made him send me a certified mail apology letter.
This controller is 100 percent a hazard to aviation.
Yeah
Damn, are pilots and controllers really this damn sensitive?
They are now
Yeah! This type of situation is becoming very common nowadays. Very unexpected
@@evajordan450 yeah 😟
I only have about 255 hours and I've never ran into these types of controllers. lol. I've even done some boneheaded stuff also. Most are helpful and when I said I was a student pilot solo and I'd just like to exit the pattern to the north, he was like "yes turn right heading 360 good day".
such a bad attitude for such an important role
Yeah! Unprofessional attitude
For once, the controller is clearly the problem.
The controller is way off base
Dang, that freaking guy's a jerk!
A request for a progressive taxi would have been great in the second one
That would be cool!
is this "banter" between pilots and ATC at all commonplace? because it's shocking.
Nope these incidents are extremely rare
Unprofessional af
Yeah
Yeah I'm not gonna belive that's real until presented with date and UTC time to crosscheck in ATC archive
Thanks for pointing out. Extremely sorry
what's with the fake sounding controller audio?..
bunch of big ego pilots
Yeah
You should listen to KIWA, the controllers can be something else
😅
In that same area, god bless the controllers at KFFZ. The way they control that circus over there is commendable.
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Controller needs to back to Brooklin. He stinks.
LAL GND 😎
You can't spell polite without pilot
Sheesh
The pilot audio sounds legit but is sounds like spliced AI controller. Why does the audio from tower sound so clear? FAKE!
Well if this is fake then i should be the script writer for a hollywood movie 😂
You do realise we enhance audio for better understanding right?
@Flight_Follower I guess I do now but why not enhance the pilot audio?
think about this mate,
the person recording the audio would have an antenna on the ground, much weaker than what the tower has
the tower's antenna is VERY powerful because they need to speak to people very far away
the planes antenna isn't very powerful, because theyre in the air and they only need line of sight to the tower's antenna
so tower is using a powerful radio
plane is using a weak radio
Fake tower controller
Wow! I can make a FAKE conversation by my own 😂
Now I am a proud content creator
@@Flight_Follower can you point the date and UTC time as you claim the source is from ATC archive? That'd help.
JYO Tower when you are ready I have a number for you to call.
Yea...im the atc from PSP and this is not the complete recording. EJA stepped on a FRC twice Prior to this. I was working ground and clearance and it was busy and i had already told him to stand by and he was #3. He keeps calling. I would have looked up his time and amended it had he asked me but instead he was a jerk and made the comment about 8 out of 10 towers.
He also was wrong about his proposed departure time... It was almost an hour later. IFR flight plans print out 30 minutes before the proposed departure time that the pilot files. I was not wrong in this situation. In fact, when this recording first came out a couple years ago, he sent me a certified mail apology letter that I kept on my fridge until I moved. I've been in controller for 12 years, I'm not lazy, I have 150 hours of flight experience and I love and respect The aviation community, however I am not going to tolerate disrespect on the frequency just because someone is mad that it's not their turn.
Nor should you. Captain Happy was being a douche and he rightfully got called out on it.
Too bad pilots waste so much time complaining. Best to just ask nicely for a solution and move on with life. Not worth fighting over, especially when they (the controllers) might save your ass someday.