Hi Paul. I have lived in Sydney all my life and I was glued to this video like a newcomer because you made it so entertaining and educational. Thanks Paul for this excellent presentation.
Great to see the new stock Paul. I lived in Sydney from 1986 to 2000 and remember my first hair-raising trip over the harbour bridge to a new job, on a red rattler with doors open in the peak.....how times have changed.
I love the v Sets the most, even if they are the oldest they have the comfiest seats and they are the only train I have ridden ever, brings back good memories, best known in the blue mountains line :D
I left Sydney more than 10 years ago - great to see this summary, reminds me of my old commute and how much it will have improved with the newer trains, especially since I think everything is air-conditioned now! Thank you, great video.
Hi James, a lot has changed since you left, The series 1 Waratah's replaced the majority of the non airconditioned S Sets. It took another order of Waratahs (the series 2 ones), to replace all the S Sets. So all trains are air conditioned and all the buses are too now. Glad you enjoyed this video.
@@TransportVlog Hi Paul, re a/c buses...maybe the Government ones are all a/c but we still have some "fridges" (over air cond) and "ovens" (non a/c with fixed closed windows) out here in the west courtesy of Busways. Not to mention while now running new electric buses, they still have some antique STEPS buses which I and my walker hate!
Really good Paul! Just wanted to point out that the C sets ran all day but some K sets were brought out for peak hour. Run 27 and run 6 were C set runs until their retirement.
Hi Paul, my two-year-old is absolutely obsessed with trains and just loves this video, we’ve watched it at least 10 times now. He recognises all the different types of trains when we’re down at the station. And I’ve learnt A LOT too! I know toddlers probably weren’t your target audience 😅 but thanks heaps 😊
Glad your two year old enjoys this video so much! Its over 2 years old now (so might have been filmed before he was born), but the train types haven't changed in that time (except for the withdrawal of the C sets). It's still one of my most popular videos, and I do plan to do similar train types videos for Melbourne and Brisbane in the future. Glad you've learnt lots from it too!
Amazing Amazing Amazing thank you! I’m based at Flemo, our presentation teams look after V sets during days and all other set types during nights. It’s greatly appreciated that you took time to make this amazing video! Well done! Love it 🥰
Thank you for this very calming and informative video! I've always been very interested in the different trains and train lines in NSW and your video scratched every single itch I've had over the last few years. I live on the T4 line and I'm so happy to hear we'll getting some new trains on the line soon! Especially after discovering all the Tangara trains are older than me haha. Thanks again ^-^
HI Lauren, glad you enjoyed this video! Yes I believe a power upgrade is planned for the T4 line and that should allow Waratah's and other 4 Gen trains in larger numbers. LOL! I'm quite a few years older than the Tangara Trains and the K Sets too!
Paul the lines are known as the up and down main (fast). The up and down suburban (med) and up and down local (slow). Thank you for this great video and all this great information and detail. Well done you are a natural mate.
Insiders tip - Tangara Trains' passenger doors were replaced by Millennium doors a few years back; to give the trains a longer life. The old T-Set passenger doors were notoriously unreliable....cheers from a retired Train Guard.
I might add that the 70s and 80s trains seem old now, but back in the 80s we had some real old timers, like the DEB trains (1940s) that went between Wollongong and Port Kembla, which I rode on in '88. Other old trains were the unheated "Fish & Chips" that ran between Sydney and Newcastle (1950s). I almost froze in winter '88 on a Fish & Chips between Newcastle and Sydney at night. Remember those old trains had about a hundred open windows!
Hi Andy, wow! Lovely to hear your memories of those old trains back then! I was in the UK then, and we didn't have anything that old! Most of our trains were built in the 1960s.
The Endeavour also runs on the Hunter Line, alongside the Hunter cars which are exclusive to the Hunter Line. Both are two-car sets and utilise diesel on non-electrified lines. I’ve also used the line a few times during the after-school peak, it’s overcrowded and has frequent bus replacements.
Thanks Tyler, yes I realised that some Endeavour's run on the Hunter Line when I went up there a few weeks later. I filmed one in my Telarah end of the line video - ruclips.net/video/W_6I1I-Gu6E/видео.html.
The V-Sets were made from the 70s up till the the late 80s, by which time they looked a little old fashioned. The Millenium train and the Waratah look like a development of the Tangara which first rolled out in 1988. I remember the doors used to get stuck a lot on these, but they seem to have eventually solved that problem.
Thanks for that Andy. I remember the first time I saw a V Set in 2010, and I did think they looked a little old fashioned! At that time, silver fluted S sets, K sets and C sets made up the majority of services. How things have changed.
Awesome Video and History on the Trains! Also about Tangaras; on MOST weekends, The T2/T3/T8 Lines (or known as sector 2) gets ONE Tangara. Also I heard from a staff member that we SHOULD be getting 8 Tangara rosters for sector 2
Thanks! I didn't realise that 1 Tangara set runs on sector 2 on most weekends! I reckon that as the Oscar trains get transferred to Sydney Suburban lines, they will replace the Tangara's on the T1 and T9 lines, and we will then see more Tangara's on Sector 2, which will replace the K Sets.
Lying in bed in Brighton on the South Coast of England; watching all the way through; nostalgia sweeping through me. Like James' thoughts (and Nigel Giles' memory of the 'Red Rattler') I left Sydney 2003 to look after my aged folks. That aside, my workshop and studio was up the hill at St. Peters and I would train commute from Central, where I lived in a beautiful crumbling warehouse to that station, if the train stopped there; not as frequent but a lovely walk through the park. Or Sydenham where every train stopped a less pleasant walk in the other direction. Newer, smarter and definitely cleaner looking trains; how Sydney has gentrified.
Hi Jeff, Good to hear from you in Brighton. Glad it bought back nostalgic memories! - A lot has changed with Sydney's public transport since you left. - I'm planning to do this video every year to capture the future changes. Hope you're enjoying the expanded Thameslink service! - I've been following this from over here!
Thanks now I understand more when you call out each train set's name and know what you are talking about. Pity all the red rattlers are gone, rode on lots of them in their peak days. In the 80s especially in the weekends there were a lot of 4 cars trains running. It was important not to stand too far from the platforms ends in case one has to run to the short carriages.
Glad this video was helpful. The purpose of this video was to help people identify the different train types and Petersham station is a super location to do that from. I plan to do another one in 2022. Hopefully by then, we'll have some D Sets (Mariyung trains) in service!
Just something to note. Millenniums (M sets) not only run in Sector 2 in 8 cars but also on the T5 line in 4 carriages. Also with sector 2 trains (T2, T3, T8), generally T2, and T8 cross paths when going around the city circle because a few years ago T8 never existed, it was just the T2 line. The T3 just does a loop around the city circle and stays T3
Hi Caleb, thanks for pointing that out regarding the Millenniums on the T5. I was actually on one the other week between Parramatta and Westmead. Yes, I just realised the other day that the T3 service does the loop and returns as a T3. And yes, I'm aware of how the T2 and T8 work together.
Very interesting Paul. Thanks. I missed this one before. The new Nif trains can't come quick enough for the Central Coast line. One day! One the subject of Petersham ( and its neighbour Lewisham). I've long wondered the significance of the suffix Ham. Apparently an old English derivation for the word farm. Hence Peters farm and Lewis farm. However today in local usage we accent the latter part of the name to sham. "English and how she is spoke" End of lesson!
Glad you enjoyed it Luke. This was my most popular video, until it got beaten by the Melbourne Metro Tunnel video. Yes quite possibly! I can think of lots of places that end with "ham".
I was in Sydney in 2020 and my flight got cancelled due to a hectic storm, ended up staying at a mates in Leichhardt. The next day i wanted to catch the train into the city so walked to this station and was mesmerised by the amount of trains going through the station, it was quite entertaining. The old station building on the opposite side, is that used for anything? Would be perfect to turn into a train watching cafe or restaurant i think.
Yes it's a pretty busy station, especially in the peak, and the gentle curves make it wonderful for photos and video! I don't think old station building is in use at the moment, but I'll check when I'm next there. I agree it would make a lovely cafe or restaurant!
Also Tangara's run on the South Coast Line between Port Kembla and Waterfall at weekdays. They are 4 car Tangara's. Also at the weekdays and weekends, Waratah Series 2 sometimes run on the T1 North Shore Line and the T9 Northern Line.
@@TransportVlog Hey Paul. If you love trains and want to be a driver then by all means apply. Some people are just doing the course because of the money. I'm doing it for both reasons and it's a great time to get into this industry.
Great video and so interesting you have my vote. I come from Toronto where we have lots of trams subways and the GO commuter train but nothing like what you have in Sydney.
Hi Peter, glad you enjoyed this video. Yes the train system in Sydney is pretty good. There are a few areas that are heavily reliant on buses such as the Eastern Suburbs and Northern Beaches, but on the whole it's a good system, especially bearing in mind the difficult geography and all the water!
Thanks! - yes the double decker trains are great. Our XPTs are like your HST's and our Xplorers and Endeavours are like your Sprinters! I used to live in Cheshire and frequently took rail trips into Yorkshire. I remember seeing class 46's at Manchester Victoria, and being hauled by class 31's on the line to Sheffield! I've subscribed to your channel too. I assume you know about Don Coffeys channel? - if not, you do now - ruclips.net/channel/UC8LH7xMAyCSqpClAvTHwJRw
@@TransportVlog Thanks a lot for all your info, yes i do watch Don Coffeys great videos, I'm in Bradford and have pretty poor stations for anything interesting so spend a lot of time at Leeds and York stations, also on Railcam York every day chatting.
Hello Paul, Nice video here. Waratah: It is impossible to find a Waratah in the T4 Ilawarra and Eastern Suburbs Line. Tangara: Tangara’s are hard to find at the T1 North Shore Line and Western and T9 Northern Line because of too much Waratah’s coming in. Waratah Series 2: Waratah Series 2 sometimes run through the T1 Western Line and North Shore Line at weekdays. Millenniums: Millenniums also run between T5 Cumberland Line. Petersham station has 2 platforms. Platform 1 is for City Services p. Platform 2 is for Inner West line services. Great Video Paul 😊
Hi Brendan, I did see a Waratah on a T4 service to Hurstville on a RTBU industrial action day. It started from Central (platforms 1 to 12). That's the only time though! Tangara's are still on the T1, about 1 in every 4 to 6 services are Tangaras. And yes M sets do the T5 (not sure how I forget that!). Glad you enjoyed this video.
@@TransportVlog, Great that you saw a Waratah at the T4 line to Hurstville at the RTBU Industrial Action day Paul. On the T1 Line, I was trying to find a Tangara on the T1 Line, but just a Waratah came a couple of times. Tangara’s are still in the T1 Line and the T9 line. You are right. I appreciate that.
Great video Paul. Just to clarify the lines at 00:42 -the 'fast' lines are called the up and down main lines -the 'semi-fast' are called the up and down suburban lines -and the 'slow' lines are called the up and down local lines.
Great video! I just wanted to kindly point out that the Millennium M sets also run on the T7 Lidcombe-Olympic park line as well as the T5 Cumberland Line. The M sets also usually run on these lines in 4 carriages, rather than the typical 8 carriages. I might be wrong on this, but there is also at least one tangara service everyday that goes down to Wollongong and then port kembla or something like that.
The waratah series 2 were expected to rune on T1 from the north shore to richmond or penrith to emu plains via the city. T2 To Leppington and parramatta from the city circle. T3 bankstown line from the city circle to lidcombe or liverpool via bankstown. T8 airport and south line to macarthur via the airport. and T9 Northern line from gordon to hornsby via the city and epping.
It's complicated! - I was born in Dunedin (New Zealand), migrated to UK at the age of 8 and lived in Cheshire (near Crewe), which is where my interest in railways started. I moved to London after University and lived there for 17 years. So I suppose my accent is very slightly northern, but not much! I've recently returned from a few days in Newcastle, so will have videos at Telarah, Sandgate, Dungog and possibly Maitland coming soon.
@@TransportVlog Hi, I was thinking the same thing when I heard you pronounce "Newcastle". In NSW it's pronounced with a long "a" not the short "a" that Victorians use (i.e. they say "New-CASS-tle).
This would have been very useful for me, having just gotten into trains, but this video only found its way to me after many wikipedia deep dives and looking at the train map. This is still a very helpful video!
Thanks Angus! - Glad you found this video. I did this especially for people like you that wanted to understand the different types of trains. I'm doing a similar one soon that will cover some of the freight locomotives, so look out for that one. Glad you found this video helpful.
I am old enough to remember the old Red Rattlers before they were phased in the late 1970s. I also recall annoying passengers who would smoke on trains and stations. I enjoy your videos Paul even though you are a pommie immigrant.
Thanks, Paul, for some great education on all the different types of trains in NSW. I was not aware of the C Sets as I thought they were the same as K sets. Not sure if I posted about my drama with the Tangaras. My wife and I did a trip from Strathfield to Hornsby on a Tangara including wife's power chair and my walker. Strathfiled staff boobooed in placing us behind a driver compartment where there were NO seats! I was forced to ride from Strathfield to Hornsby via Epping SITTING ON MY WALKER! Rules forbid riding on walkers in transit! Hornsby staff messed up that day on our return trip to Strathfield,k omitting to advise Strathfield we were on board. Thanks to a fellow lady passenger, we avoided being carried on after Strathfield and to town. You don't discuss the controversy with Tangara's of the fixed seats, half facing forward half facing backwards in each carriage. I understand the fixed seats were a cost consideration. Thanks again,
Hi Geoffrey, It's wonderful that you're watching so many of my videos., and glad you enjoyed this one! Sorry to hear about your Tangara drama! It seems like a series of errors by station staff! Hope other train trips have been more pleasant for you both!
Hi Paul. Since before 2009. Their was a Suburban Tangara Called T-sets since they were introcduce between 1988 and 1994. And Also Before The Oscar Train Came Into Service on the 15th of December 2006. There was A Intercity Tangara Called G-sets. G-set tangaras were introduce between 1994 and 1996 To replaced U Sets. As They were converted to Suburban Tangara T-sets by late 2009 for oscar h sets interuban duties.
The T9 Was Added on the Sydney Network, On The 28th of April 2019 At The Same Time As The S-sets are out of Service. Before 2019. The T1 Goes From Berowra To Epping, Richmond or Emu Plains. And Also Richmond or Emu Plains To Hornsby Via The Epping To Chatswood Link. (Closed For Converstion On the 30th of September 2018). And Before November 2017. The T2 Was Green That Goes From Leppington To Campbelltown or Macarthur Via The City Circle. And The T5 Even Go To Cambelltown From Schofields (Which Excents To Richmond On The 26th of November 2017).
Hi Paul, there is a tiny number of Waratah B Sets trains on T9 Northern Line, which stops at Strathfield and directly to Rhodes and through to Hornsby. I'd taken it before yet I needed to reverse at Rhodes because it doesn't stop at North Strathfield, the situation often happens at around 3pm to 4pm.
Yes since recording this video, Waratah B sets have started running on the T9 and the Richmond branch of the T1 as well. I think the A and B sets are being used more interchangeably these days.
I like your work and dedication. It I a revelation and your work gives me great confidence in NSW transport and the investments they have made. There is a lot of capital work done in the recent past and looks very slick and professional. I’d like to see more on the practical technology on how it all works. Drivers Cabin, control room and energy supply. Thanks David
Thanks David, Yes there has been a lot of investment in the Sydney train network over the last 10 years. I'll do what I can to include more of the technology that keeps it all working. However, it may be difficult to gain access to controls rooms etc, as I'm not in the industry. As this channel grows, some of these things may become more possible.
@@TheDavidGill I guess they get scrapped or one of two may get preserved. I saw a C Set at the back of Auburn maintenance depot today, so they haven't totally gone yet!
According to wiki and a couple of other sites I checked, there is no A2 or A79. so that makes 78 sets. I know that A2 got damaged on return to China, but I don't know what happened to A79. If you or anyone else knows, please do comment below.
@@callum_bracht There is definitely no such thing as A79. The only thing I can think of that you saw is A42, which is the train that hit the buffer stop at Richmond in 2018. The Driving Trailer that hit the buffer was written off and replaced by carriage D6379 which was originally part of the 4 car prototype Waratah train they used for testing. So if you were travelling in carriage D6379 it would appear you are in A79, but it is actually A42 and there is definitely no such thing as A79.
The V-sets are not Only be replaced by D-sets. The V-sets were replaced by Tangara G-sets on the south coast line Since 1996. The M-set Replaced First Batch V-sets in 2002. The Oscar H-set replaced Second Batch V-sets in December 2006. The D-set started replaced V-sets from 2020 to 2024.
Unless the M sets had toilets, they could never have replaced any V sets. The D sets are also not in use, so that is also wrong, since they haven't replaced anything..... YET.
I saw the C-set at Glenfield on Wednesday! These are being used as relief sets in case of need for extra peak trains or other out of service trains until supposedly the end of this month right?
Yes I did hear that a couple of C-Sets are acting as standby trains. I know that Phil at Sydney Trains Vlogs filmed one on the City Circle a couple of weeks after 26th Feb. Not sure till when though - End of April would make sense, as there should be 1 or 2 more series 2 Waratahs by then.
@@TransportVlog I filmed a relief C Set at Glenfield on Wednesday night at Central and Glenfield on run 13-U/V and then saw one on Thursday on run 98-M at Warwick Farm
At the time of recording this video, they didn't seem to appear on the T7 very often. However, having checked TripView, it looks like the Millennium M sets are running the majority of the services now. It makes sense to use them on this line.
Apparently a few Tangara's run on the sector 2 lines (which includes the T5) at weekends. I didn't realise this at the time of recording this video. However, I've seen a few since, at unusual places such as Circular Quay!
Grew up in Sydney and never knew the names of the trains other than the Tangara but I wonder why they hadn't replaced the V sets with something newer. They look really old! Still hate the ksets though. Peak hour was unbearable in those things.
New trains are waiting to replace the V sets, they are called the NIF or Mariyung Trains. The RTBU is seeking modifications to these trains to improve safety, and until this happens, these trains will be staying in the sidings! This article explains this whole situation in more detail - www.9news.com.au/national/transport-nsw-news-major-safety-issues-revealed-in-sydney-new-imported-train-fleet/c7cf06f5-62df-41d4-bf16-0da11e2be16d. The V sets did have a refurbishment about 5 years ago, so they are quite nice inside, except for the toilets, which are horrible! The Mariyung trains will indirectly replace the K sets too, by displaying Oscar H sets to Sydney Trains services. K Sets rarely run in the off peak now.
Why do you think that they still keep a 2 car r set? Also I think there is a way you can tell the difference between a converted s set, the s sets that used to have the pointed outward fronts used to be r sets or L sets, but the s sets with a normal flat front were exclusively build s sets.
Didn't know Oscar production overlapped into A set production in 2011 and 2012. K sets now make a cam gear noise. They used to be silent except for a faint motor noise. The final one or two batches of V sets had chopper control like the Cs and Ts. I regret not riding my first Millennium when they were new instead of when they were over a decade old and after having ridden A sets before them. The Ms would have dazzled me in the same way as my first Tangara ride in 1989. I did enjoy the more pronounced version of the already entertaining A set traction sounds. Better late than never. Did you ever experience the S sets? Pretty impressive for a train that was introduced in 1972. Still ride smooth to today's standards.
Thanks, yes I've heard the chopper sounds on a few V sets over the years. I plan to do a separate video on the V Sets and I'll talk more about the differences then.
@@TransportVlog Can't wait. @NSWtrainfan3719 so only the ones with the sliding air door to the main compartments that hardly ever worked and now remain open, letting in the noise 😣.
The older electric intercity trains being U sets or U boats, were single deck trains with very comfortable reversible seats. They ran on all the lines, Central Coast, South Coast, Blue Mountains lines. Have an aircompressor similar to red rattlers! The two are actually very similar to each other right down to having a big wrench type of key to drive the train.
Will the NIF trains run on the T1 North Shore line via Chatswood? The image you put up at 22:17 doesn’t show it but there are a few OSCARS that use the line each day, mainly in peak hours
Hello Paul, I want to tell you that the Tangara’s sometimes go to the T8 between Central and Macarthur, and the T2 Lines between Central and Homebush, and the City Circle at the weekends and I realise that it’s a very cool rare sightings. On 18th of February Saturday, I saw a Tangara arriving on Circular Quay that is running through the T3 Bankstown Line to Lidcombe. This year K Sets don’t run on the weekends and it’s impossible to find a K Set at the weekends 😂😂 Millennium M Set Trains only run at the T5 Cumberland Line at the weekends between Schofields and Liverpool and I can’t find an M Set at the T2, T3, T7 and T8 Lines at the weekends. Just some random Waratah’s there. I’m pretty sure the NIF Fleet Mariyung D Sets will be in service this year at March 2023. The C Sets are now gone and you can’t see any C Sets anymore. There is no more C Sets, say goodbye to the C Sets. Very Interesting presentation. 😊😊
Hi Brendan, yes that;s right! I've seen the occasional one on the City Circle at weekends. On weekdays, there is one K set that runs in the offpeak on the Bankstown Line. Yes hopefully we'll see some D sets in service soon!
@@TransportVlog, Cool. But K Sets don't all the time on the weekdays, only in off peaks. But apparently it's impossible to find a K Set at the weekends, I was trying to find a K Set but I saw only Waratah's.
Hi Paul thanks for the vlog the official titles of the tracks there are up and down main up.and down suburban and up.and down local provided the signals are clear the main is the fastest track there but not by much the suburban also has fast speeds but all.three tracks have multiple speed limits between Sydney and Homebush where the local line finishes .....
2023 and the Sydney-Newcastle line is still covered in V Sets. I don't mind so long as they're keeping the suspension serviced, the seats are comfy, but surely they're long past the end of their intended lifespan by now.
That's right! Except for the withdrawal of the C sets, nothing has really changed! Definitely 2024 for the NIF/Mariyung D set replacements, so enjoy the V sets while you still can!
The V sets are my most favourite electric train to travel on. I can remember when there was a carriage where you could smoke. Drinking water dispensers inside the carriage doors. I really hope these very comfortable trains aren't taken off their roads of destinations. Having free travel on public transport just recently, has made a great impact on more commuters traveling. So don't take the V sets out of service.
The UP and DOWN fast tracks are the UP and DOWN main lines, UP and DOWN semi fast are the UP and DOWN suburban and the UP and DOWN slow lines are the UP and DOWN local
Good question! - I think it's to do with the power supply on the Illawarra Line. The Waratah trains require more power. It would be really good to see Waratah trains on this line, so hopefully this will happen, when the power supply is upgraded.
The 6 tracks at Petersham are the UP and DOWN Main, Up and Down suburban and Up and Down local, Faster trains will use the Up and Down suburban and Main, Local services will use the Up and Down Local line
They seem to be doing a good job at keeping the trains clean. From graffiti that is. Although they are also generally kept nice and hygienic I should say. I'll admit I quit like the coloured in block/bubble *graffiti 'pieces' they do on the side of trains🤭.. I'm curious as to what's the general consensus on that?.. Not scribble & scratches but an actual colourful 'piece' ?.. (im assuming most on this page would not be a fan but im interested to see if maybe some have an unexpected appreciation😆)..
Yes they do a good job, especially at the moment with COVID. I see cleaners all the time wiping handrails and other high touch points. Regarding the block / bubble pieces, I think it might be the advertising panels that you're seeing? - They were a few on the Tangara trains that I filmed and one on the last Oscar filmed.
@@TransportVlog No not advertising lol well not commissioned advertising anyway.. I meant graffiti pieces on the side of trains the slang for them is "panels" "let's go do some panels".. (fyi)
The V sets have given great service. No doubt at all that they're overdue for replacement, but the new trains give nowhere near the same standard of comfort and are a real disappointment. A very good video overall with enough detail to keep interest but not to bore.
Hi Graeme, yes the V Sets have very comfortable seats. I was on one last week and I think I'm going to miss them! I'll reserve judgement on the Mariyung trains until I've tested the seats, but from what they look like, I don't think they'll be as comfy! Hoping that the Mariyung trains will enter service this year and then I can do a review video!
Hi Robert, yes that's normal at weekends on the N&CC line. The Oscar's do all the services. I think its partly to have more 8 car V sets on the blue mountains line, as these are really needed at weekends.
The H set doors can be forced open at up to 8 km/h . I have seen this done by railway employees and this safety issue has never been fixed due to the high cost involved . I have seen H sets break down from firmware problems often when in service . Especially on the Illawarra . Tourists overseas have dubbed these as dud trains .
Hi Paul. I have lived in Sydney all my life and I was glued to this video like a newcomer because you made it so entertaining and educational. Thanks Paul for this excellent presentation.
Thanks John - Glad you enjoyed it. I do plan to cover each train type in turn, but this seemed like a nice introduction.
i realize I'm kinda off topic but do anybody know of a good website to watch new movies online?
@Rodrigo Braden definitely, I have been watching on flixzone for since april myself =)
I agree with Aussie John. I'm also a Sydneysider, and I found this educational and enjoyable.
Great to see the new stock Paul. I lived in Sydney from 1986 to 2000 and remember my first hair-raising trip over the harbour bridge to a new job, on a red rattler with doors open in the peak.....how times have changed.
Yes they certainly have Nige. Generally for the better and much safer now! - I do miss sticking my head out of the windows though!
I love the v Sets the most, even if they are the oldest they have the comfiest seats and they are the only train I have ridden ever, brings back good memories, best known in the blue mountains line :D
Yes, they are great trains! They will be around for a few more months, as the new D sets won't be coming into service until 2024.
I left Sydney more than 10 years ago - great to see this summary, reminds me of my old commute and how much it will have improved with the newer trains, especially since I think everything is air-conditioned now! Thank you, great video.
Hi James, a lot has changed since you left, The series 1 Waratah's replaced the majority of the non airconditioned S Sets. It took another order of Waratahs (the series 2 ones), to replace all the S Sets. So all trains are air conditioned and all the buses are too now. Glad you enjoyed this video.
@@TransportVlog Hi Paul, re a/c buses...maybe the Government ones are all a/c but we still have some "fridges" (over air cond) and "ovens" (non a/c with fixed closed windows) out here in the west courtesy of Busways. Not to mention while now running new electric buses, they still have some antique STEPS buses which I and my walker hate!
Great work. Very entertaining and well researched videos. Please keep the fantastic work rolling.
Thanks Jon, will do!
Petersham was my home station from 2012-2020. Thank you for this, and all your other informative and interesting uploads.
You're very welcome. Good to hear that you used to live in Petersham. it's one of my favourite stations for filming.
Really good Paul! Just wanted to point out that the C sets ran all day but some K sets were brought out for peak hour. Run 27 and run 6 were C set runs until their retirement.
Thanks!, glad you enjoyed it. Thanks also for clarifying about the C sets running all day. I miss them!
Hi Paul, my two-year-old is absolutely obsessed with trains and just loves this video, we’ve watched it at least 10 times now. He recognises all the different types of trains when we’re down at the station. And I’ve learnt A LOT too! I know toddlers probably weren’t your target audience 😅 but thanks heaps 😊
Glad your two year old enjoys this video so much! Its over 2 years old now (so might have been filmed before he was born), but the train types haven't changed in that time (except for the withdrawal of the C sets). It's still one of my most popular videos, and I do plan to do similar train types videos for Melbourne and Brisbane in the future. Glad you've learnt lots from it too!
Amazing Amazing Amazing thank you! I’m based at Flemo, our presentation teams look after V sets during days and all other set types during nights. It’s greatly appreciated that you took time to make this amazing video! Well done! Love it 🥰
Thanks for your wonderful feedback Kevin. I'm so pleased with how this video has done. Its over 2 years old now, and its still one of the most viewed!
Thank you for this very calming and informative video! I've always been very interested in the different trains and train lines in NSW and your video scratched every single itch I've had over the last few years. I live on the T4 line and I'm so happy to hear we'll getting some new trains on the line soon! Especially after discovering all the Tangara trains are older than me haha. Thanks again ^-^
HI Lauren, glad you enjoyed this video! Yes I believe a power upgrade is planned for the T4 line and that should allow Waratah's and other 4 Gen trains in larger numbers. LOL! I'm quite a few years older than the Tangara Trains and the K Sets too!
Fantastic and informative video! I have learnt a lot now about our trains! The backgrounds of the train sets were fascinating!
Glad you enjoyed it and found it useful. I learned a lot from putting this one together. Glad you liked the busy bit at the end!
That montage at the end was very cool to watch! Sure was busy!
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Paul the lines are known as the up and down main (fast). The up and down suburban (med) and up and down local (slow). Thank you for this great video and all this great information and detail. Well done you are a natural mate.
Thanks for that Kenneth. Correct track names noted for future videos!
To add to that fact the MS5+642 structure label stands for Main Suburban 5 kilometres 642 metres from central
Insiders tip - Tangara Trains' passenger doors were replaced by Millennium doors a few years back; to give the trains a longer life. The old T-Set passenger doors were notoriously unreliable....cheers from a retired Train Guard.
Thanks Francis, I wasn't aware of that! Thanks for sharing this with me. Lovely to hear from a retired train guard!
@@TransportVlog - Thanks...
Though not the exact m set doors
I might add that the 70s and 80s trains seem old now, but back in the 80s we had some real old timers, like the DEB trains (1940s) that went between Wollongong and Port Kembla, which I rode on in '88. Other old trains were the unheated "Fish & Chips" that ran between Sydney and Newcastle (1950s). I almost froze in winter '88 on a Fish & Chips between Newcastle and Sydney at night. Remember those old trains had about a hundred open windows!
Hi Andy, wow! Lovely to hear your memories of those old trains back then! I was in the UK then, and we didn't have anything that old! Most of our trains were built in the 1960s.
4:11 The sounds of crows calling and the A set leaving the station will always remind me of early morning commutes. Appreciate the video.
Ah yes, those noisy crows! They sometimes appear in the background in my voiceovers, as I have a few crows hanging around in a tree close to my place!
Thanks Paul for making this video.
You're very welcome
The Endeavour also runs on the Hunter Line, alongside the Hunter cars which are exclusive to the Hunter Line. Both are two-car sets and utilise diesel on non-electrified lines. I’ve also used the line a few times during the after-school peak, it’s overcrowded and has frequent bus replacements.
Thanks Tyler, yes I realised that some Endeavour's run on the Hunter Line when I went up there a few weeks later. I filmed one in my Telarah end of the line video - ruclips.net/video/W_6I1I-Gu6E/видео.html.
The Hunter Railcar are also J sets.
The V-Sets were made from the 70s up till the the late 80s, by which time they looked a little old fashioned. The Millenium train and the Waratah look like a development of the Tangara which first rolled out in 1988. I remember the doors used to get stuck a lot on these, but they seem to have eventually solved that problem.
Thanks for that Andy. I remember the first time I saw a V Set in 2010, and I did think they looked a little old fashioned! At that time, silver fluted S sets, K sets and C sets made up the majority of services. How things have changed.
K sets also run on T7 Olympic Park Line and Sometimes the T5 Cumberland Line.
Awesome Video and History on the Trains! Also about Tangaras; on MOST weekends, The T2/T3/T8 Lines (or known as sector 2) gets ONE Tangara. Also I heard from a staff member that we SHOULD be getting 8 Tangara rosters for sector 2
Thanks! I didn't realise that 1 Tangara set runs on sector 2 on most weekends! I reckon that as the Oscar trains get transferred to Sydney Suburban lines, they will replace the Tangara's on the T1 and T9 lines, and we will then see more Tangara's on Sector 2, which will replace the K Sets.
@@TransportVlog Yep, I think a few A Set will also come over
Thanks Paul, really good video and thanks for all the audio of the electric motors, keep up the audio descriptions they make a big difference.
Thanks Iaen, Glad you enjoyed this video.
The Oscar H Sets Also Run On The Blue Mountains Line From Central To Lithgow. Because I saw that at Central Sydney Terminal A Few Months Ago.
Lying in bed in Brighton on the South Coast of England; watching all the way through;
nostalgia sweeping through me. Like James' thoughts (and Nigel Giles' memory of the 'Red Rattler')
I left Sydney 2003 to look after my aged folks.
That aside, my workshop and studio was up the hill at St. Peters and I would train commute from Central, where I lived in a beautiful crumbling warehouse to that station, if the train stopped there;
not as frequent but a lovely walk through the park. Or Sydenham where every train stopped
a less pleasant walk in the other direction.
Newer, smarter and definitely cleaner looking trains; how Sydney has gentrified.
Hi Jeff, Good to hear from you in Brighton. Glad it bought back nostalgic memories! - A lot has changed with Sydney's public transport since you left. - I'm planning to do this video every year to capture the future changes. Hope you're enjoying the expanded Thameslink service! - I've been following this from over here!
Good to see nearly all types of rolling stock in one vid.
Yes absolutely. There is quite a lot of variety. I plan to repeat the Petersham morning peak in a few months time, once the NIF's are in service.
Just subscribed to your channel, really enjoy the information you provide in the videos, cheers!
Thanks Aaron and welcome aboard! Glad you're enjoying my videos.
Diesel Endeavour Trains are also known as N sets. And Xplorer Trains are P sets. Also Hunter Railcars are known as J sets.
The Waratah A and B sets trains are still being produced by CRRC Changchun Railway Vehicles Co., Ltd, especially B sets.
Hi Yotao, yes that's right! The last B set (no 41) was delivered in the middle of 2021.
Thanks now I understand more when you call out each train set's name and know what you are talking about. Pity all the red rattlers are gone, rode on lots of them in their peak days. In the 80s especially in the weekends there were a lot of 4 cars trains running. It was important not to stand too far from the platforms ends in case one has to run to the short carriages.
Glad this video was helpful. The purpose of this video was to help people identify the different train types and Petersham station is a super location to do that from. I plan to do another one in 2022. Hopefully by then, we'll have some D Sets (Mariyung trains) in service!
Just something to note. Millenniums (M sets) not only run in Sector 2 in 8 cars but also on the T5 line in 4 carriages.
Also with sector 2 trains (T2, T3, T8), generally T2, and T8 cross paths when going around the city circle because a few years ago T8 never existed, it was just the T2 line. The T3 just does a loop around the city circle and stays T3
Hi Caleb, thanks for pointing that out regarding the Millenniums on the T5. I was actually on one the other week between Parramatta and Westmead. Yes, I just realised the other day that the T3 service does the loop and returns as a T3. And yes, I'm aware of how the T2 and T8 work together.
I Saw A Waratah Series 2 On the T9 Northern Line Last Night Going To Hornsby Or Berowra On Platform 3 At Epping Station.
Very interesting Paul. Thanks. I missed this one before. The new Nif trains can't come quick enough for the Central Coast line. One day! One the subject of Petersham ( and its neighbour Lewisham). I've long wondered the significance of the suffix Ham. Apparently an old English derivation for the word farm. Hence Peters farm and Lewis farm. However today in local usage we accent the latter part of the name to sham. "English and how she is spoke" End of lesson!
Glad you enjoyed it Luke. This was my most popular video, until it got beaten by the Melbourne Metro Tunnel video. Yes quite possibly! I can think of lots of places that end with "ham".
Thank you so much. It was a brilliant video. Thank you
You're very welcome Craig, Glad you enjoyed it.
B25 (1 of 17 more waratah series 2) entered service on the 3rd of September 2020.
Brilliant presentation. Much appreciated!
You're very welcome. Glad you enjoyed it Stephen.
I was in Sydney in 2020 and my flight got cancelled due to a hectic storm, ended up staying at a mates in Leichhardt. The next day i wanted to catch the train into the city so walked to this station and was mesmerised by the amount of trains going through the station, it was quite entertaining. The old station building on the opposite side, is that used for anything? Would be perfect to turn into a train watching cafe or restaurant i think.
Yes it's a pretty busy station, especially in the peak, and the gentle curves make it wonderful for photos and video! I don't think old station building is in use at the moment, but I'll check when I'm next there. I agree it would make a lovely cafe or restaurant!
Also Tangara's run on the South Coast Line between Port Kembla and Waterfall at weekdays.
They are 4 car Tangara's.
Also at the weekdays and weekends, Waratah Series 2 sometimes run on the T1 North Shore Line and the T9 Northern Line.
Yes that's right Brendan. I've seen Waratah Series 2 trains on the T1 on weekdays too (although that was after recording this video).
@@TransportVlog So before 2009 have you seen a intercity tangara called G-sets.
Thanks Paul that was great content! I'm training right now in Petersham as a trainee driver.
You're very welcome Matthew. Hope you enjoy your training. I occasionally think about applying to become a train driver myself!
@@TransportVlog Hey Paul. If you love trains and want to be a driver then by all means apply. Some people are just doing the course because of the money. I'm doing it for both reasons and it's a great time to get into this industry.
Great video and so interesting you have my vote. I come from Toronto where we have lots of trams subways and the GO commuter train but nothing like what you have in Sydney.
Hi Peter, glad you enjoyed this video. Yes the train system in Sydney is pretty good. There are a few areas that are heavily reliant on buses such as the Eastern Suburbs and Northern Beaches, but on the whole it's a good system, especially bearing in mind the difficult geography and all the water!
I saw 12 B sets on sector 3 last Thursday .
Enjoyed your videos, great trains you have, wish we had some double deckers lol, greetings from the UK, have subscribed
Thanks! - yes the double decker trains are great. Our XPTs are like your HST's and our Xplorers and Endeavours are like your Sprinters! I used to live in Cheshire and frequently took rail trips into Yorkshire. I remember seeing class 46's at Manchester Victoria, and being hauled by class 31's on the line to Sheffield! I've subscribed to your channel too. I assume you know about Don Coffeys channel? - if not, you do now - ruclips.net/channel/UC8LH7xMAyCSqpClAvTHwJRw
@@TransportVlog Thanks a lot for all your info, yes i do watch Don Coffeys great videos, I'm in Bradford and have pretty poor stations for anything interesting so spend a lot of time at Leeds and York stations, also on Railcam York every day chatting.
@@YorkshireMalsTrains I check out the Crewe Railcam occasionally. That was my local station as a kid!
I have recently found your channel and you got some really good videos! I have subscribed too :)
Thanks for your positive feedback Michael. Glad you're enjoying my videos.
And 21:00 Endeavours run on the Hunter Line as well, from Newcastle Interchange to Dungog or Scone
Yes I did think about mentioning the Hunter Endeavour sets at the time. I'll be filming some Hunter sets next week, so that will make up for it!
@@TransportVlog great!
And to Musellbrook too !
Hello Paul, Nice video here.
Waratah: It is impossible to find a Waratah in the T4 Ilawarra and Eastern Suburbs Line.
Tangara: Tangara’s are hard to find at the T1 North Shore Line and Western and T9 Northern Line because of too much Waratah’s coming in.
Waratah Series 2: Waratah Series 2 sometimes run through the T1 Western Line and North Shore Line at weekdays.
Millenniums: Millenniums also run between T5 Cumberland Line.
Petersham station has 2 platforms.
Platform 1 is for City Services p.
Platform 2 is for Inner West line services.
Great Video Paul 😊
Hi Brendan, I did see a Waratah on a T4 service to Hurstville on a RTBU industrial action day. It started from Central (platforms 1 to 12). That's the only time though! Tangara's are still on the T1, about 1 in every 4 to 6 services are Tangaras. And yes M sets do the T5 (not sure how I forget that!). Glad you enjoyed this video.
@@TransportVlog, Great that you saw a Waratah at the T4 line to Hurstville at the RTBU Industrial Action day Paul.
On the T1 Line, I was trying to find a Tangara on the T1 Line, but just a Waratah came a couple of times. Tangara’s are still in the T1 Line and the T9 line. You are right. I appreciate that.
Great video Paul.
Just to clarify the lines at 00:42
-the 'fast' lines are called the up and down main lines
-the 'semi-fast' are called the up and down suburban lines
-and the 'slow' lines are called the up and down local lines.
Thanks! - I'll use this terminology next time. Cheers Paul
My eye was twitching as well :-)
Great video!
I just wanted to kindly point out that the Millennium M sets also run on the T7 Lidcombe-Olympic park line as well as the T5 Cumberland Line.
The M sets also usually run on these lines in 4 carriages, rather than the typical 8 carriages.
I might be wrong on this, but there is also at least one tangara service everyday that goes down to Wollongong and then port kembla or something like that.
Thanks for that. Yes I'd forgotten about the use of M Sets on the T5 line. Yeah I guess a Tangara might head down that way in the peaks.
The waratah series 2 were expected to rune on T1 from the north shore to richmond or penrith to emu plains via the city. T2 To Leppington and parramatta from the city circle. T3 bankstown line from the city circle to lidcombe or liverpool via bankstown. T8 airport and south line to macarthur via the airport. and T9 Northern line from gordon to hornsby via the city and epping.
Yes, since I recorded this video, Waratah Series 2 trains have started appearing on the T1 and T9. I saw one recently at St Leonards Station.
Great video. Just curious about what part of England your from if you don't mind me asking. And are there any other stations you plan to film at?
It's complicated! - I was born in Dunedin (New Zealand), migrated to UK at the age of 8 and lived in Cheshire (near Crewe), which is where my interest in railways started. I moved to London after University and lived there for 17 years. So I suppose my accent is very slightly northern, but not much! I've recently returned from a few days in Newcastle, so will have videos at Telarah, Sandgate, Dungog and possibly Maitland coming soon.
@@TransportVlog Hi, I was thinking the same thing when I heard you pronounce "Newcastle". In NSW it's pronounced with a long "a" not the short "a" that Victorians use (i.e. they say "New-CASS-tle).
@@ktipuss Thanks for that. The Newcastle in the north of England is also pronounced "New-CASS-tle"
This would have been very useful for me, having just gotten into trains, but this video only found its way to me after many wikipedia deep dives and looking at the train map. This is still a very helpful video!
Thanks Angus! - Glad you found this video. I did this especially for people like you that wanted to understand the different types of trains. I'm doing a similar one soon that will cover some of the freight locomotives, so look out for that one. Glad you found this video helpful.
@@TransportVlog Wonderful! I know absolutely nothing about those but I always see them going along T9!
V-set ... The Best set !!
The k sets use to run on the carlingford line before 2020. as they stopped running on the T1 since the 26th of november 2017.
Thats right. I remember K sets and S sets on the T1.
The T9 line offers services for peak times in the morning and arrives at Central then back.😆
Yes that's right! And they run express to Burwood (and don't stop at Redfern).
I think the orange livery on Waratah 2s are a pre-view of what was to come on the new D sets.
Yes possibly, I do like the orange fronts on the Waratah 2's.
I am old enough to remember the old Red Rattlers before they were phased in the late 1970s. I also recall annoying passengers who would smoke on trains and stations.
I enjoy your videos Paul even though you are a pommie immigrant.
Thanks Jack, - yes it was a different world back then!
Thanks, Paul, for some great education on all the different types of trains in NSW. I was not aware of the C Sets as I thought they were the same as K sets. Not sure if I posted about my drama with the Tangaras. My wife and I did a trip from Strathfield to Hornsby on a Tangara including wife's power chair and my walker. Strathfiled staff boobooed in placing us behind a driver compartment where there were NO seats! I was forced to ride from Strathfield to Hornsby via Epping SITTING ON MY WALKER! Rules forbid riding on walkers in transit! Hornsby staff messed up that day on our return trip to Strathfield,k omitting to advise Strathfield we were on board. Thanks to a fellow lady passenger, we avoided being carried on after Strathfield and to town. You don't discuss the controversy with Tangara's of the fixed seats, half facing forward half facing backwards in each carriage. I understand the fixed seats were a cost consideration. Thanks again,
Hi Geoffrey, It's wonderful that you're watching so many of my videos., and glad you enjoyed this one! Sorry to hear about your Tangara drama! It seems like a series of errors by station staff! Hope other train trips have been more pleasant for you both!
Great video. 👍
Thanks 👍
Thank you. Very informative.
Glad it was helpful Tony.
21:02 Endeavours also run on the Hunter Line
Yes, I did think of mentioning this at the time. I plan to do a separate video on the Hunter Endeavour sets.
Hi Paul. Since before 2009. Their was a Suburban Tangara Called T-sets since they were introcduce between 1988 and 1994. And Also Before The Oscar Train Came Into Service on the 15th of December 2006. There was A Intercity Tangara Called G-sets. G-set tangaras were introduce between 1994 and 1996 To replaced U Sets. As They were converted to Suburban Tangara T-sets by late 2009 for oscar h sets interuban duties.
Thanks for that Ethan, when I’m catching a Tangara train, I often look out for the old G Sets with their reversible and high-backed seats!
@@TransportVlogex g sets Target plate will always have T1XX fond those set these are g sets
The T9 Was Added on the Sydney Network, On The 28th of April 2019 At The Same Time As The S-sets are out of Service. Before 2019. The T1 Goes From Berowra To Epping, Richmond or Emu Plains. And Also Richmond or Emu Plains To Hornsby Via The Epping To Chatswood Link. (Closed For Converstion On the 30th of September 2018). And Before November 2017. The T2 Was Green That Goes From Leppington To Campbelltown or Macarthur Via The City Circle. And The T5 Even Go To Cambelltown From Schofields (Which Excents To Richmond On The 26th of November 2017).
I remember the first time I went on a Tangara in 88. They seemed so modern compared to the red rattlers that were still running at the time
Yes, there were way ahead of their time back then!
Hi Paul, there is a tiny number of Waratah B Sets trains on T9 Northern Line, which stops at Strathfield and directly to Rhodes and through to Hornsby. I'd taken it before yet I needed to reverse at Rhodes because it doesn't stop at North Strathfield, the situation often happens at around 3pm to 4pm.
Yes since recording this video, Waratah B sets have started running on the T9 and the Richmond branch of the T1 as well. I think the A and B sets are being used more interchangeably these days.
I love the m sets because
A: The motor sound is the best
B: They have good air conditioning
C: They look nice
Yes absolutely! I'm looking forward to doing a video all about the M sets.
If you get on an m set. please go into one of the n cars which are the 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 6th carriages
@@thenswtrainspotter Will do!
I like your work and dedication. It I a revelation and your work gives me great confidence in NSW transport and the investments they have made.
There is a lot of capital work done in the recent past and looks very slick and professional.
I’d like to see more on the practical technology on how it all works. Drivers Cabin, control room and energy supply.
Thanks
David
Thanks David, Yes there has been a lot of investment in the Sydney train network over the last 10 years. I'll do what I can to include more of the technology that keeps it all working. However, it may be difficult to gain access to controls rooms etc, as I'm not in the industry. As this channel grows, some of these things may become more possible.
@@TransportVlog
What happens to the trains and carriages when decommissioned? Thanks !
@@TheDavidGill I guess they get scrapped or one of two may get preserved. I saw a C Set at the back of Auburn maintenance depot today, so they haven't totally gone yet!
@@TheDavidGill Two C set carriages have been preserved and are now used as training carriages for Fire and Rescue NSW.
When I did a peak hour in this area , there were still plenty of S sets about on sectors 2 and 3 .
Yes, that must have been a few years ago now. There were probably less Waratah trains then too!
Nice video!
Thanks!
4:00 a little correction just here, there is actually 79 sets in service, A1 then A3 and then all numbers to A80
According to wiki and a couple of other sites I checked, there is no A2 or A79. so that makes 78 sets. I know that A2 got damaged on return to China, but I don't know what happened to A79. If you or anyone else knows, please do comment below.
@@TransportVlog I’m not sure what the internet is saying but I saw A79 last Saturday, so there’s some clarification that it is in service
@@callum_bracht There is definitely no such thing as A79. The only thing I can think of that you saw is A42, which is the train that hit the buffer stop at Richmond in 2018. The Driving Trailer that hit the buffer was written off and replaced by carriage D6379 which was originally part of the 4 car prototype Waratah train they used for testing. So if you were travelling in carriage D6379 it would appear you are in A79, but it is actually A42 and there is definitely no such thing as A79.
@@Ry-eh1xh that makes a lot of sense thank you for clarification
@@callum_bracht No worries mate
The V-sets are not Only be replaced by D-sets. The V-sets were replaced by Tangara G-sets on the south coast line Since 1996. The M-set Replaced First Batch V-sets in 2002. The Oscar H-set replaced Second Batch V-sets in December 2006. The D-set started replaced V-sets from 2020 to 2024.
Unless the M sets had toilets, they could never have replaced any V sets.
The D sets are also not in use, so that is also wrong, since they haven't replaced anything..... YET.
I saw the C-set at Glenfield on Wednesday! These are being used as relief sets in case of need for extra peak trains or other out of service trains until supposedly the end of this month right?
Yes I did hear that a couple of C-Sets are acting as standby trains. I know that Phil at Sydney Trains Vlogs filmed one on the City Circle a couple of weeks after 26th Feb. Not sure till when though - End of April would make sense, as there should be 1 or 2 more series 2 Waratahs by then.
@@TransportVlog I filmed a relief C Set at Glenfield on Wednesday night at Central and Glenfield on run 13-U/V and then saw one on Thursday on run 98-M at Warwick Farm
@@nswtransportfilms Awesome! The C Sets refuse to go!
17:10 There's mistake, M sets run on the T7 Line
At the time of recording this video, they didn't seem to appear on the T7 very often. However, having checked TripView, it looks like the Millennium M sets are running the majority of the services now. It makes sense to use them on this line.
Thanks Paul.
You're very welcome.
H sets are based of Tangara G-sets And The M sets.
Great video 🤙🏻
Thanks!
For some days in 2021, The T sets ran on the T5 line from Leppington to Schofields
I was on one
Apparently a few Tangara's run on the sector 2 lines (which includes the T5) at weekends. I didn't realise this at the time of recording this video. However, I've seen a few since, at unusual places such as Circular Quay!
Grew up in Sydney and never knew the names of the trains other than the Tangara but I wonder why they hadn't replaced the V sets with something newer. They look really old! Still hate the ksets though. Peak hour was unbearable in those things.
New trains are waiting to replace the V sets, they are called the NIF or Mariyung Trains. The RTBU is seeking modifications to these trains to improve safety, and until this happens, these trains will be staying in the sidings! This article explains this whole situation in more detail - www.9news.com.au/national/transport-nsw-news-major-safety-issues-revealed-in-sydney-new-imported-train-fleet/c7cf06f5-62df-41d4-bf16-0da11e2be16d. The V sets did have a refurbishment about 5 years ago, so they are quite nice inside, except for the toilets, which are horrible! The Mariyung trains will indirectly replace the K sets too, by displaying Oscar H sets to Sydney Trains services. K Sets rarely run in the off peak now.
Why do you think that they still keep a 2 car r set? Also I think there is a way you can tell the difference between a converted s set, the s sets that used to have the pointed outward fronts used to be r sets or L sets, but the s sets with a normal flat front were exclusively build s sets.
L sets are 2 cars R sets are 3 cars
Didn't know Oscar production overlapped into A set production in 2011 and 2012.
K sets now make a cam gear noise. They used to be silent except for a faint motor noise.
The final one or two batches of V sets had chopper control like the Cs and Ts.
I regret not riding my first Millennium when they were new instead of when they were over a decade old and after having ridden A sets before them. The Ms would have dazzled me in the same way as my first Tangara ride in 1989. I did enjoy the more pronounced version of the already entertaining A set traction sounds. Better late than never.
Did you ever experience the S sets?
Pretty impressive for a train that was introduced in 1972. Still ride smooth to today's standards.
The last batch of v sets was delivered in 1989 Which consists of DKT, DKM and DJM cars. The last batch used chopper control
Thanks, yes I've heard the chopper sounds on a few V sets over the years. I plan to do a separate video on the V Sets and I'll talk more about the differences then.
@@TransportVlog Can't wait.
@NSWtrainfan3719 so only the ones with the sliding air door to the main compartments that hardly ever worked and now remain open, letting in the noise 😣.
The older electric intercity trains being U sets or U boats, were single deck trains with very comfortable reversible seats. They ran on all the lines, Central Coast, South Coast, Blue Mountains lines. Have an aircompressor similar to red rattlers! The two are actually very similar to each other right down to having a big wrench type of key to drive the train.
Will the NIF trains run on the T1 North Shore line via Chatswood? The image you put up at 22:17 doesn’t show it but there are a few OSCARS that use the line each day, mainly in peak hours
Yes I believe they will run on the Central Coast services that go via Chatswood. It will be cool to see one on the harbour bridge!
Hello Paul, I want to tell you that the Tangara’s sometimes go to the T8 between Central and Macarthur, and the T2 Lines between Central and Homebush, and the City Circle at the weekends and I realise that it’s a very cool rare sightings. On 18th of February Saturday, I saw a Tangara arriving on Circular Quay that is running through the T3 Bankstown Line to Lidcombe.
This year K Sets don’t run on the weekends and it’s impossible to find a K Set at the weekends 😂😂
Millennium M Set Trains only run at the T5 Cumberland Line at the weekends between Schofields and Liverpool and I can’t find an M Set at the T2, T3, T7 and T8 Lines at the weekends. Just some random Waratah’s there.
I’m pretty sure the NIF Fleet Mariyung D Sets will be in service this year at March 2023.
The C Sets are now gone and you can’t see any C Sets anymore. There is no more C Sets, say goodbye to the C Sets.
Very Interesting presentation. 😊😊
Hi Brendan, yes that;s right! I've seen the occasional one on the City Circle at weekends. On weekdays, there is one K set that runs in the offpeak on the Bankstown Line. Yes hopefully we'll see some D sets in service soon!
@@TransportVlog, Cool. But K Sets don't all the time on the weekdays, only in off peaks. But apparently it's impossible to find a K Set at the weekends, I was trying to find a K Set but I saw only Waratah's.
Hi Paul thanks for the vlog the official titles of the tracks there are up and down main up.and down suburban and up.and down local provided the signals are clear the main is the fastest track there but not by much the suburban also has fast speeds but all.three tracks have multiple speed limits between Sydney and Homebush where the local line finishes .....
Thanks Stephen for sharing the official names. I'll use these next time. Cheers Paul
2023 and the Sydney-Newcastle line is still covered in V Sets. I don't mind so long as they're keeping the suspension serviced, the seats are comfy, but surely they're long past the end of their intended lifespan by now.
That's right! Except for the withdrawal of the C sets, nothing has really changed! Definitely 2024 for the NIF/Mariyung D set replacements, so enjoy the V sets while you still can!
The
V sets are my most favourite electric train to travel on. I can remember when there was a carriage where you could smoke. Drinking water dispensers inside the carriage doors. I really hope these very comfortable trains aren't taken off their roads of destinations. Having free travel on public transport just recently, has made a great impact on more commuters traveling. So don't take the V sets out of service.
Yes the V sets are very comfortable and with all the issues with the Mariyung trains, it looks like they were will be around for another year or two.
I catch v set to school and home and I found it scary to open doors and get off the first few times
@@TransportVlog Mariyung D Sets Are My Favourite Train In Sydney.
Paul another difference of A set and B set is the PIDs
Yes, quite a big difference there!
The UP and DOWN fast tracks are the UP and DOWN main lines, UP and DOWN semi fast are the UP and DOWN suburban and the UP and DOWN slow lines are the UP and DOWN local
Yes that's right! I found the Railsafe website after uploading this video, so I always check that now for the correct train names!
Why does the T4 line run exclusively of t sets?
Good question! - I think it's to do with the power supply on the Illawarra Line. The Waratah trains require more power. It would be really good to see Waratah trains on this line, so hopefully this will happen, when the power supply is upgraded.
The 6 tracks at Petersham are the UP and DOWN Main, Up and Down suburban and Up and Down local, Faster trains will use the Up and Down suburban and Main, Local services will use the Up and Down Local line
Thanks! yes I'm aware of the correct names now!
@@TransportVlog I did some digging around the internet and found accurate track diagrams for the track between Strathfield and Central
These double deck trains are metros?
Me, a fan of V-sets looking at the NIF sets: "Thanks, I hate it"
Well I think the way things are going, it looks like the V sets will be around for a little while longer!
The Front And Back Of The Cab Doors Were Painted In Orange In September 2013.
Well done mate! :)
Thanks Phil 😀
They actually built 14 4 Car C sets
Thanks for clarifying. I just checked and you're right, it is definitely 14 sets - 56 carriages.
Hi Paul, when was the S Set train put there in the education college?
According to wikipedia, it was in 2008 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petersham_railway_station
Hi Paul, do you know when was the original platform closed?
I think it closed in 1926 when the line was electrified. You might find more on the wiki page - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petersham_railway_station
@@TransportVlog Thanks Paul.
That C set sounds like a Tangara motor within the Chopper motor 18:54
Interesting! What does everyone else think?
Good video 📹
Thanks! 😃
They seem to be doing a good job at keeping the trains clean. From graffiti that is. Although they are also generally kept nice and hygienic I should say.
I'll admit I quit like the coloured in block/bubble *graffiti 'pieces' they do on the side of trains🤭.. I'm curious as to what's the general consensus on that?.. Not scribble & scratches but an actual colourful 'piece' ?.. (im assuming most on this page would not be a fan but im interested to see if maybe some have an unexpected appreciation😆)..
Yes they do a good job, especially at the moment with COVID. I see cleaners all the time wiping handrails and other high touch points. Regarding the block / bubble pieces, I think it might be the advertising panels that you're seeing? - They were a few on the Tangara trains that I filmed and one on the last Oscar filmed.
Regarding the block bubble pieces, are you referring to graffiti art?
@@TransportVlog No not advertising lol well not commissioned advertising anyway.. I meant graffiti pieces on the side of trains the slang for them is "panels" "let's go do some panels".. (fyi)
@@تشؤنسخى I hadn't noticed those! - I'll keep a look out in the future.
@@TransportVlog yea not so much around now days. 👍liked your waterloo clip.
XPT trains were NT33 and WT27, Xplorer was NP23
Thanks for that.
The V sets have given great service. No doubt at all that they're overdue for replacement, but the new trains give nowhere near the same standard of comfort and are a real disappointment. A very good video overall with enough detail to keep interest but not to bore.
Hi Graeme, yes the V Sets have very comfortable seats. I was on one last week and I think I'm going to miss them! I'll reserve judgement on the Mariyung trains until I've tested the seats, but from what they look like, I don't think they'll be as comfy! Hoping that the Mariyung trains will enter service this year and then I can do a review video!
@@TransportVlog Looking forward to it.
Last Saturday, , no V sets were rostered on the Newcastle and Central Coast .
Hi Robert, yes that's normal at weekends on the N&CC line. The Oscar's do all the services. I think its partly to have more 8 car V sets on the blue mountains line, as these are really needed at weekends.
There have been V sets sighted on the northern runs at Gosford in recent times on weekends , according to a guard I know .
The H set doors can be forced open at up to 8 km/h . I have seen this done by railway employees and this safety issue has never been fixed due to the high cost involved . I have seen H sets break down from firmware problems often when in service . Especially on the Illawarra . Tourists overseas have dubbed these as dud trains .
That's interesting! - If the doors are forced open, do you know if that would stop the train?
So what are the differences between the Waratah and Tangara sets apart from the yellow to orange nose colour?
Did you mean the differences between the Waratah A and Waratah B sets?
@@TransportVlog Probably.