nope. its over 10 rounds. And it has to walk thru all the expensive "safety" testing to get "certified" by the DOJ. I think George has explicitly made his position clear on jumping thru California hoops. And we still have restrictive "you can't mail order ammo" laws and many places don't carry any or much 5.7 ammo. Basically even if Keltec wasted the money and spent the time to get this certified, all we'd end up with is a 10 round, slow to reload 5.7 pistol firing more expensive and harder to find ammunition. If Im only getting 10 rounds, Im either going cheap range toy plinker .22lr or bigger 9mm or .45 (or 357 cuz wheelguns are fun) otherwise Id be all over this.
It's a purse gun. There's a whole market of customers who may want a gun, but want the simplicity of a revolver, but the lighter recoil and more capacity that are available in semi autos. Reloading is not a factor when capacity is high enough.
@jonboyfutch8081 That’s not my experience with mags. I have AR mags that I have had loaded for years. When I did use them, they functioned perfect. I’ve had CZ75 mags loaded for many many months if not years, I run them without issue.
@@davidbrown2284 Same experience here. I’ve had 40 round AK mags sitting in my closet loaded for years. And they functioned just fine when I finally took them to the range.
You have to appreciate the determination and creativity of the keltec company - they go where other manufacturers wouldn't even think about... Their products are strange to 1911 owners who haven't changed anything since World War II.
Thank you for what is easily the best video on this gun so far. You did a great job showing us the action and the little features. This gun looks super cool, especially for the price. I've not had the best experiences with KelTec in the past, but if this proves reliable I'm pretty sure I'll be getting one just for the novelty of the action.
Tell keltec I will be adding one asap, I see it as a field pistol. Think a backpack gun with 21 rounds weighting 17 ounces, and capable of taking a deer.
Not a good choice for deer. Most likely it will go a few miles before it stops, if it does, it could live for a while. Plus I doubt it will leave a blood trail for you to follow, caliber is too small. Plus you need to check your state hunting laws. They may have a minimum caliber size limit. Which the smallest I know of is .223. I haven't seen 5.7 being allowed for deer hunting.
I don't know what side you're talking to, but 57 out of a pistol is not going to stop a deer. 57 out of a rifle is probably not ideal to stop a deer. You talking about shooting a deer with a 40 grain or less bullet.
I'm calling it, Kel Tec is gonna follow with a PR57 carbine, a budget lightweight semi auto carbine with the same magazine concept as this handgun would definitely Italy be on my wishlist
Reminded me of a little bit of Grendel. Yes, I agree that Mr. George K is the living legend of gun design! I had pleasure meeting him about 10 years ago, he was super nice and down to earth.
Most of the states with 10rd limits would still ban this. BUT, there's a lot of people carrying with less than 21 rounds on them. That's not a bad loadout for daily carry. If this thing works it'll be worth looking at.
I'm assuming the PR57 has a long trigger pull for safety, but not the hard creepy P11 trigger. KelTec triggers in all of their guns for over a decade have been good or very good.
@@charlesreese9085 - The P-11 was innovative for its time with the highest capacity of a pocket pistol, back when the CCW revival was sweeping the nation, but the P-11 pistols I've shot had gritty creepy triggers and the snappy recoil combined with my large hands and the relatively close fitting trigger gaurd resulted in the pistol scrubbing against the front of my trigger finger. I didn't like it but the P-11 was not designed to be a fun range toy. It was designed to be comforting, not comfortable.
The Grindle before the Kel-tec name came about later called the P10 was the first subcompact 380 he designed that was fed from a .556 10 round stripper clip. Fun little pistol if you were only 7 feet from your target.
I have asked and watched all the videos out on it.. I think your assessment is correct. No one has shown any other way but to shoot it or rack the slide 21 times.
george kelgrin at it again with steam punk style pistol styles, 5 or more choices different companies offering 5.7 and it's seems to be a growing trend, I myself need a 5.7 but just looking at my options, that one is light and compact for carry so George I think was thinking concealed carry purpose
Last year I bought the Kel Tec P17- 22 caliber pistol for under 200 dollars and expected it to be junk because it is light as a child's toy gun even fully loaded, but I was pleasantly surprised it was very reliable after several hundred rounds and decided to make it a summer carry being so light, but I want this PR57 for that same purpose since it fires a center fire round and should be more reliable than the 22 rimfire in the P17, I had a Smith air weight 38 special as my carry, but 20 round capacity in a more accurate handgun trumps the 5 rounds of a bigger caliber in my opinion
When I bought my KelTec PMR30, I was walking out of the gun store and stopped to open the plastic case to make sure the pistol was in there. It felt like an empty case. When the PMR30 is unloaded, if feels like a squirt gun. For reliable 22 LR ammo, I recommend CCI. Their rim fire priming process is way better than anyone else's in my experience. Primer reliability is close to being on par with centerfire primers.
Good question but I'm a bit surprised this is a concern. I'd never think of unloading a pistol before coming into the house because, I want to be personally armed at home (in addition to the 12 gauge that may be on the other side of the house), but also because the pistol is safest in its holster and taking it out to unload it seems much more dangerous than leaving it loaded in my pocket.
@clangerbasher T/C is back, new ownership, just wondered if they were there. I know they are supposed to be bringing back the T/C Icon rifle. Encore/Contenders will be back too. Im not sure, what all they are putting in market yet, but they did have some Compass rifles i think.
@@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill No I don't think they are at the show. They are not on the Shot Show website. To me T/C is the Contender and the muzzle loaders not the plastic stocked cheap hunting rifles. It amazed me that S&W just didn't realise that. Production of a simple action and barrels for a simple gun just kept going in a corner of the vast empire would have been a quiet earner. But no corporate types wreck the brand and then wonder where the sales go!!!! Keep safe my friend across the Pond.
@clangerbasher It is family owned now, so things should get better. I actually know one of the guys that is invested into it, and I know he is excited about T/C's future. Maybe they will be at shot show next year. In my opinion S&W brought T/C quality down. I know they had some issues.
I love KelTec innovation and I'm a sucker for funky space guns, but I never bought a P50 or R50 for some reason but I think I'm going to need to get a PR57. Maybe it's because 5.7x28 ammo is a bit easier to find and not as expensive now. I mostly shied away from it because it's not a good cartridge to reload. I always look forward to seeing what KelTec has new at every SHOT Show. Kudos to the Wyoming plant on their first product.
@@DonnyHooterHoot a semi auto pistol needs to have locking mechanism, so it doesn’t open the breech too soon. Think of it like when your revolver cylinder locks when you pull the hammer back. That prevents any unwanted disaster when you fire the gun.
@ at the range, at the doctors office, to clear and function check it when dust and debris is noticed and to hand it over to evidence after my shooting. Beyond that it’s less safe to cycle rounds through a breech to unload a gun for any reason. Do you never unload your carry gun?
Amendment II A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
**Hank Strange** §∆§ Everyone is asking how to do a fast unload because of the "Stripper Clip Loading" Can you just push the trigger forward & do "Upper removal" then you just remove the upper & then do a "Fast Thumb Ammo Dump"? At "6:00" Look at the lower & watch\pause the video. I see after the upper removal & looks like you can... *Just think of thumbing out rounds when inspecting the clip(like on a traditional style clip)... Does anyone else think that would work? Also if you decide to do that, you can inspect the upper & do a quick lube\debris check.
It would be very difficult to make an internal magazine for clip feeding 22 WMR. It would rim lock like crazy. Then again, KelTec solved the high capacity rim fired magazine stacking issues. Clever engineering can do wonders with injection molding. 3D printing helped iterate the design before investing in expensive injection dies.
I'm not really sure I understand the purpose of this. I think I would far greater prefer to be able to preload full magazines, and have a little bit extra weight, instead of caring boxes of ammo, and this goofy ass speed loader. The only applicable scenario that I can see this being used for would be something akin to the world war II era liberators. To be able to preload these in Styrofoam boxes, airdrop them into areas that need halfway reliable firearms, and just let them be thrown away after being used. They look like this slaught-a-matic from cyberpunk. I don't think I would ever want to see these in the gun store, unless they were coming out of a vending machine in said gun store. Sure is bold of them to give you red dot compatibility but not detachable magazines. Maybe if they're trying to make a California compliant version the top loader would be perfect, but I'm allowed to own magazines where I live, and this looks fucking stupid.
I wanted this until I noticed it has no safety of any kind so I will pass on this very cool but possibly dangerous gun. No frame safety, no trigger safety, No grip safety, No slide safety which means not safe. I used to be a no striker gun guy but have changed my mind on that. I will never change my mind on it must have a manual safety unless it is a double single or a Dubble action gun.
Dude, be thankful they aren't making another Glock or AR clone. They are one of the few companies actually trying to innovate....and to their credit, they have some pretty impressive designs.
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Thank you, camera guy, for showing how the rotating barrel mechanism works. I need one of these!
"Who would buy this thing?!"
Me: slowly raises hand
Hopefully this will help the poor bastards in California stuck with unconstitutional detachable magazine restrictions.
nope. its over 10 rounds. And it has to walk thru all the expensive "safety" testing to get "certified" by the DOJ. I think George has explicitly made his position clear on jumping thru California hoops. And we still have restrictive "you can't mail order ammo" laws and many places don't carry any or much 5.7 ammo. Basically even if Keltec wasted the money and spent the time to get this certified, all we'd end up with is a 10 round, slow to reload 5.7 pistol firing more expensive and harder to find ammunition. If Im only getting 10 rounds, Im either going cheap range toy plinker .22lr or bigger 9mm or .45 (or 357 cuz wheelguns are fun) otherwise Id be all over this.
I don't see the PR57 ever making it onto California's approved handgun list.
Beautiful state but I hate California.
@@null6634it would still be over 10 rounds. Wouldnt that make it illegal?
Nope. They are not shipping to California. I just checked
It's a purse gun. There's a whole market of customers who may want a gun, but want the simplicity of a revolver, but the lighter recoil and more capacity that are available in semi autos. Reloading is not a factor when capacity is high enough.
If you need more than 21 rounds you in wrong neighborhood 😂😂 and will need backup
I haven’t seen anyone ask how to unload it (without having to rack it multiple times). Still going to add one, under 21oz. fully loaded….nuts!!
Yeah thats my question.Also it's typical a mag can last 6 months loaded before spring loss
@jonboyfutch8081
That’s not my experience with mags. I have AR mags that I have had loaded for years. When I did use them, they functioned perfect. I’ve had CZ75 mags loaded for many many months if not years, I run them without issue.
i wonder if you can pop the slide off and get the rounds out that way instead of cycling 20 times
@@davidbrown2284 Same experience here. I’ve had 40 round AK mags sitting in my closet loaded for years. And they functioned just fine when I finally took them to the range.
I’m gonna guess you strip off the slide, press a release stud to unload the stored rounds, then extract the one in the chamber on reassembly.
You have to appreciate the determination and creativity of the keltec company - they go where other manufacturers wouldn't even think about... Their products are strange to 1911 owners who haven't changed anything since World War II.
Thank you for what is easily the best video on this gun so far. You did a great job showing us the action and the little features. This gun looks super cool, especially for the price. I've not had the best experiences with KelTec in the past, but if this proves reliable I'm pretty sure I'll be getting one just for the novelty of the action.
Thank you Andrew for showing the mechanism! and thanks Hank Strange for making it happen. I think this is my first pistol.
I think this is my... checks notes... 41st pistol. 😀
The more I see this gun the more I like it
Tell keltec I will be adding one asap, I see it as a field pistol. Think a backpack gun with 21 rounds weighting 17 ounces, and capable of taking a deer.
If it is cheap enough, this would be a good one to store in a bag for just in case situations.
Not a good choice for deer. Most likely it will go a few miles before it stops, if it does, it could live for a while. Plus I doubt it will leave a blood trail for you to follow, caliber is too small. Plus you need to check your state hunting laws. They may have a minimum caliber size limit. Which the smallest I know of is .223. I haven't seen 5.7 being allowed for deer hunting.
I don't know what side you're talking to, but 57 out of a pistol is not going to stop a deer. 57 out of a rifle is probably not ideal to stop a deer. You talking about shooting a deer with a 40 grain or less bullet.
@@SuS_NuG_Ityou'd be surprised how many people are out here poaching deer with a 22 long rifle
And you can’t lose your magazine in the field 👍
I'm calling it, Kel Tec is gonna follow with a PR57 carbine, a budget lightweight semi auto carbine with the same magazine concept as this handgun would definitely Italy be on my wishlist
🇮🇹 🍝
That is a neat little idea, slower to load than a magazine but the ability to single load is a bonus.
Thanks for sharing this Hank!
THX! Best vid I have seen yet on it. I need one in FDE!
Reminded me of a little bit of Grendel. Yes, I agree that Mr. George K is the living legend of gun design! I had pleasure meeting him about 10 years ago, he was super nice and down to earth.
Most of the states with 10rd limits would still ban this.
BUT, there's a lot of people carrying with less than 21 rounds on them. That's not a bad loadout for daily carry.
If this thing works it'll be worth looking at.
The thumbnail makes this pistol look like it has "ballistic dysfunction".
Looks interesting. 20 rounds is nice, that P- 11 trigger pull tho.
I'm assuming the PR57 has a long trigger pull for safety, but not the hard creepy P11 trigger. KelTec triggers in all of their guns for over a decade have been good or very good.
@Liberty4Ever Thanks, I've had my P-11 for a good while. Good to know the triggers are better now.
@@charlesreese9085 - The P-11 was innovative for its time with the highest capacity of a pocket pistol, back when the CCW revival was sweeping the nation, but the P-11 pistols I've shot had gritty creepy triggers and the snappy recoil combined with my large hands and the relatively close fitting trigger gaurd resulted in the pistol scrubbing against the front of my trigger finger. I didn't like it but the P-11 was not designed to be a fun range toy. It was designed to be comforting, not comfortable.
I personally really love the look of the pr-57. Other than that I think it would be a fantastic self defence carry gun for none gun people
Kel tech awesome as ever
The Grindle before the Kel-tec name came about later called the P10 was the first subcompact 380 he designed that was fed from a .556 10 round stripper clip. Fun little pistol if you were only 7 feet from your target.
But how is the magazine unloaded? Is it like the Steyr Hahn where you lock the slide to the rear and depress the slide stop?
There’s a pin on the bottom holding a plate in place. Take the pin out, plate comes off, then rounds can be quickly unloaded.
It shoots around corners!😮
Good job Hank
Thanks
So is the only way to unload it either A) run it dry, or B) cycle the slide till empty?
I have asked and watched all the videos out on it..
I think your assessment is correct.
No one has shown any other way but to shoot it or rack the slide 21 times.
Love my KSG ❤ I will be adding this one too
So, to get the +1, do you just manually load one more after the second clipful? Seems like the only way to do it...
I will buy one as soon as I they come out if I can get one. Awesome looking gun.
I have been joking about a Kel-Tec plastic revolver for years. But I am happy with a rotating barrel instead.
AMAZING
george kelgrin at it again with steam punk style pistol styles, 5 or more choices different companies offering 5.7 and it's seems to be a growing trend, I myself need a 5.7 but just looking at my options, that one is light and compact for carry so George I think was thinking concealed carry purpose
Last year I bought the Kel Tec P17- 22 caliber pistol for under 200 dollars and expected it to be junk because it is light as a child's toy gun even fully loaded, but I was pleasantly surprised it was very reliable after several hundred rounds and decided to make it a summer carry being so light, but I want this PR57 for that same purpose since it fires a center fire round and should be more reliable than the 22 rimfire in the P17, I had a Smith air weight 38 special as my carry, but 20 round capacity in a more accurate handgun trumps the 5 rounds of a bigger caliber in my opinion
When I bought my KelTec PMR30, I was walking out of the gun store and stopped to open the plastic case to make sure the pistol was in there. It felt like an empty case. When the PMR30 is unloaded, if feels like a squirt gun.
For reliable 22 LR ammo, I recommend CCI. Their rim fire priming process is way better than anyone else's in my experience. Primer reliability is close to being on par with centerfire primers.
What if it jams? What if you want to unload it? I have tons of questions about this thing
I like it no one is talking about what the trigger pull is like assuming it is pretty heavy double action?
Right it is a very noticeable double action
@@hankstrange Is it a true double action where the trigger cocks the hammer? or is the slide cocking the hammer?
@ Thanks for the reply
@@hankstrangeThank you. It’s the same as my Ruger LCR then.
Does the clip have to be inserted with its right side exposed, or can it work facing the left side too?
Factory spec is 4.5 pounds trigger pull. Not too shabby for an EDC
Is the Kel-Tec PR57 hammer cocked by the slide or trigger?
How do you release the stored rounds if you wanted to unload before coming in the house. Do you need to rack each round out to do it safely.
Good Question, from what I saw the spring pushes them back up
@hankstrange thanks. I sure like the design. If it wasn't for that unknown. If i don't have to rack it 20 times, I'm purchasing one.
Good question but I'm a bit surprised this is a concern. I'd never think of unloading a pistol before coming into the house because, I want to be personally armed at home (in addition to the 12 gauge that may be on the other side of the house), but also because the pistol is safest in its holster and taking it out to unload it seems much more dangerous than leaving it loaded in my pocket.
@Liberty4Ever do you have kids?
Administrative handling is where most unintended discharges happen.
I bet this shoots fireballs with that short of a barrel.
No "detachable" magazine... that avoids some restrictions
my buddy gave me one it is insane to shoot 20r gone so fast hehe
Thompson Center there?
I don't think they are there. I have looked myself. We need Contender goodness!
@clangerbasher T/C is back, new ownership, just wondered if they were there. I know they are supposed to be bringing back the T/C Icon rifle. Encore/Contenders will be back too. Im not sure, what all they are putting in market yet, but they did have some Compass rifles i think.
@@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill No I don't think they are at the show. They are not on the Shot Show website. To me T/C is the Contender and the muzzle loaders not the plastic stocked cheap hunting rifles. It amazed me that S&W just didn't realise that. Production of a simple action and barrels for a simple gun just kept going in a corner of the vast empire would have been a quiet earner. But no corporate types wreck the brand and then wonder where the sales go!!!! Keep safe my friend across the Pond.
@clangerbasher It is family owned now, so things should get better. I actually know one of the guys that is invested into it, and I know he is excited about T/C's future. Maybe they will be at shot show next year. In my opinion S&W brought T/C quality down. I know they had some issues.
@@clangerbasher - I'm waiting to get a 6.5 Creedmoor T/C Encore once they're back up and fully running again under new ownership.
How do you unload it?
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And just like that I want another pistol.
The Grendal predecessor lineage were better built than the keltec series.
Everyone: "Why stripper clips?".... Me: "YEAH! Stripper clips! Awesome!"
Hank are you from Guyana?
Nice!
I love KelTec innovation and I'm a sucker for funky space guns, but I never bought a P50 or R50 for some reason but I think I'm going to need to get a PR57. Maybe it's because 5.7x28 ammo is a bit easier to find and not as expensive now. I mostly shied away from it because it's not a good cartridge to reload. I always look forward to seeing what KelTec has new at every SHOT Show. Kudos to the Wyoming plant on their first product.
You think they'll make it in 9mm or 10mm?
How do you unload the damn thing
in self defense lol, nah u just have to rack the slide a bunch
run the slide 20 times lol, there is no way to easily unload it or clear a malfunction.
Jams aren't they different to clear than any other pistol.....rack slide open, jam rounds back into mag, send slide home
As a gun dummy, why does the barrel rotate? To wear evenly? I only own an old 38 special revolver.
The barrel rotates as part of the lock up for the pistol.
@@echosierra9990 Ok, and that means?
@@DonnyHooterHoot a semi auto pistol needs to have locking mechanism, so it doesn’t open the breech too soon. Think of it like when your revolver cylinder locks when you pull the hammer back. That prevents any unwanted disaster when you fire the gun.
Another 'Tuber said it was for kickback reduction, I'll believe that one, not this made up one here.
The trigger seems to be the major downside. Will this interfere with follow up shots?
In a year you’ll find a Ton of them in the private market for $200-$300….
Sweet! Like an urban cowboy gun!👌🏾
Saw it jam at shot. Took a bit for the rep to clear it. That, the loading procedure and if it unloads like a lever gun then it’s a big no.
Just out of curiosity, do you typically unload your carry gun?
@ at the range, at the doctors office, to clear and function check it when dust and debris is noticed and to hand it over to evidence after my shooting. Beyond that it’s less safe to cycle rounds through a breech to unload a gun for any reason. Do you never unload your carry gun?
This is weird. So that means I gotta have it
Now to come out with a 57 Sub2000
You're not gonna believe this..
Its a brick if it jams
Amendment II
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,
the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
**Hank Strange**
§∆§ Everyone is asking how to do a fast unload because of the "Stripper Clip Loading"
Can you just push the trigger forward & do "Upper removal" then you just remove the upper & then do a "Fast Thumb Ammo Dump"?
At "6:00"
Look at the lower & watch\pause the video.
I see after the upper removal & looks like you can...
*Just think of thumbing out rounds when inspecting the clip(like on a traditional style clip)...
Does anyone else think that would work?
Also if you decide to do that, you can inspect the upper & do a quick lube\debris check.
When you think I gotta reliably protect my life with a firearm, think Kel-Tek. 💯🤣
Now make it in .22 magnum so we can get it here to👍 the 5.7 is illegal here🤨
Get a PMR30
It would be very difficult to make an internal magazine for clip feeding 22 WMR. It would rim lock like crazy. Then again, KelTec solved the high capacity rim fired magazine stacking issues. Clever engineering can do wonders with injection molding. 3D printing helped iterate the design before investing in expensive injection dies.
I have not even watched the video and the intro of this got me to sub lol
The PR57 answers all my prayers in one gun. I had 4 things i wanted my next guns to accomplish. This does all 4. I want it so bad that I'm itchy.
Me too:
1. Look different
2. Function different
3. Waste my money and
4. Work mooost of the time.
Now make a rifle with 5.7
Lots of choices on that
Both the R50 and the Sub2k come chambered in 5.7.
Some of the most innovation is coming from Kel-tec, pushing the boundaries. How many clips come with it and how much for additional ones.
Knowing KelTec, those injection molded clips will be very inexpensive. They could sell them in ten packs for $10 and make a good profit.
Just quick thinking out loud, after loading 21 rounds, reload the two clips to carry and now you have 41 rounds ...
I'm not really sure I understand the purpose of this. I think I would far greater prefer to be able to preload full magazines, and have a little bit extra weight, instead of caring boxes of ammo, and this goofy ass speed loader. The only applicable scenario that I can see this being used for would be something akin to the world war II era liberators. To be able to preload these in Styrofoam boxes, airdrop them into areas that need halfway reliable firearms, and just let them be thrown away after being used. They look like this slaught-a-matic from cyberpunk. I don't think I would ever want to see these in the gun store, unless they were coming out of a vending machine in said gun store. Sure is bold of them to give you red dot compatibility but not detachable magazines. Maybe if they're trying to make a California compliant version the top loader would be perfect, but I'm allowed to own magazines where I live, and this looks fucking stupid.
I wanted this until I noticed it has no safety of any kind so I will pass on this very cool but possibly dangerous gun. No frame safety, no trigger safety, No grip safety, No slide safety which means not safe. I used to be a no striker gun guy but have changed my mind on that. I will never change my mind on it must have a manual safety unless it is a double single or a Dubble action gun.
It's hammer fired and double action only.
I checked it out at shot show.this has to be the stupidist pistol ever made
Does Keltec purposely set out to make ugly guns?
Looks like it. I gave up on them , everything looks like a gimmick now
@ gimmick
Haters gonna hate. Some people don't worry about owning "pretty" guns.
A Ma Deuce ain't pretty but damn, I'd love to own one
Most things seem like a gimmick until it changes the world. We need companies like kel-tec to exist.
Dude, be thankful they aren't making another Glock or AR clone.
They are one of the few companies actually trying to innovate....and to their credit, they have some pretty impressive designs.
Consider also visiting
* Cadex Defence (70423): CDX-145 rifle fires 14.5×114mm and 12.7×114mm HL.
* Derya Arms (13822): ZY9 pistol caliber carbine.
* SAR Arms (12838): SAR-109T pistol caliber carbine.
* Kral Arms (71043): KR9 Mini 1911.
* TISAS (14232 / 10521): 1911 pistol fires .38 Super and 9×19mm with a barrel swap.
* Girsan (14446 / 12054): 1911 double-stack pistols in 9mm, 10mm, .38 Super and .40 S&W. Ask them if they have plans for .30 Super Carry.
* Century Arms (12260): AP53, semi-auto version of HK53. They have plans for a AP51 too.
Gimmick gun. Smh
This things going to get you killed when it jams and it takes 5 mins and 2 Keltec reps to clear a malfunction