Hard to follow without the Klippel system or another one! Maybe Amir will be a good influence. So much channel are only repeating others or the brands marketing.
Gotta say these reviews are incredibly valuable. Things like the dip at 1k might not be a dealbreaker, but it's very useful to know that it's there so we can work around it rather than chasing our tail when in a situation where it does become a problem.
Thanks Amir, this was very interesting. I have the original A5's and recently loaned them to a musician friend to use as mastering monitors. He said they were the nicest sounding monitors he'd ever heard. Just hope he answers the door when I go to pick them up.
Amir, great review as always, but bear in mind that those are Near Field Monitors and that is their main purpose and designed to be used in such a way. I've had them for many years now, and I have them horizontally positioned in my home "studio", seated on a pair of self cut washing machine rubber mats. Also, you were right those have to be slightly inclined towards the listening position. If you want a pair of bookshelves for your HiFi, there are plenty of other speakers that would do much better job for significantly less money. And before anyone else asks, I do use XLR balanced inputs on them.
I appreciate that. A lot of my readership though is interested in powered speakers for hi-fi listening. So I tested them both ways. All the listening tests are performed near-field as I mentioned in the review and video. The CEA-2034 simulation however has no equivalence for near-field Predicted-in-room response.
Excellent channel! Have been checking out your site for quite a while but just start viewing your youtube content. Definite sub from me. There aren't enough noteworthy channels leaning into measurements.
HI thank you for the video, I'd like to hear your thoughts on this in comparison to the KEF LS50 Meta. Price aside, if possible I'd like to hear your thoughts? Apologies if this is quite a broad question, anyone I'd love to hear what you think. Kind regards from the UK 🙂
As noted, I have reviewed it: www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/magnepan-lrs-speaker-review.16068/. If you mean to do a video, I had enough Magenapan fans throw darts at me already that I am not sure I want to do that yet. :)
Hi Amir, this channel is going to go up like a rocket. All Adam monitors look so good. I wish they had equaliization just like KRK (I get nervous with those yellow drivers). Have you reviewed or listened to Swissonic ASM7 monitors? They look good and at good price at least in Europe (in Thoman you find them for 244euro/pair nice price for 6.5" and 60w on LF and 20 for the tweeter).
I just purchased these with the sub as a bundle - and they are AMAZING! It's honestly just a pleasure to listen to music through them, and I could not recommend them highly enough. (But using them with the Sub8 definitely takes the experience to the next level.) Thank you for the great info!
Amir!! Use the Japanese bride as your profile pic xDDD I been checking out ASR for quite a while now and I really love the DAC bar graph showing the SNR + distortion and such. Also the HP amp power graph and the Speaker power amp signal graph. I LOVE GRAPHS. At least when it comes to decision making xD. PLEASE tell me these are on your bucket list to review! 1) SMSL DA-9 (Clean or not?) 2) Emotiva HC-1 / XPA-DR1 (Are these viable cheaper alternatives to the Benchmark AHB2?) 3) KRK Rokit 10-3, Adam T8V, Kali IN-8, Yamaha HS8 Comparison shootout! 4) Emotiva T2+ 5) Wharfedale Evo 4.4/4.2 I know it's a lot but I know you can do it! Also, I heard you guys found a thermal problem with SMSL M500 and then they fixed it with V2. Is this V2 wayyyyyyyy superior? Does it top the charts now? Considering it's only $420, it's way cheaper than Topping DX7 Pro and they use the same ES3038 Pro chip. Keep up the good work!
I noticed pieces broken off the pink panthers near most of the equipment you review. In the reviews of most of my sound system, the panther is smashed to bits. Is this significant? I’m not an electrical engineer or an electrician or anything.
:) The panthers are not so secret, secret subjective coding of how I feel about a product after evaluating it. See: www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/asr-panthers.11541/
Analog active crossover with behavior this good is impressive - shame about the ports being bad. The bigger ones (A7X, A8X, A77X) in my experience are kind of janky compared to this. The slight V shape present here is _much_ more severe and the A77X has the usual MTM problem. Plus, there's the fact that a 5" midbass/1"-ballpark tweeter is about as big as you can get away with without a waveguide of some sort without major directivity error.
I have reviewed a ton of AVRs and AV Processors with more coming. Please look at the dedicated home theater forum on ASR: www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?forums/home-theater-avr-and-processor-review.35/
@@AudioScienceReview Your explanation comparing Magnepan fans to Best Buy Klipsh buyers was not very convincing. Watch jay’s audio lab channel. He has reviewed Magico, Wilson, Focals and he likes his Magnepans best under $25000. Does he look like a Best Buy shopper to you?
would you say in a small room (around 140 square feet) that the bass is sufficient enough without a sub? i need to be able to choose kicks and bass easily and i’m a little worried about if i can successfully on these.
I use adams a5x for 5 years. You'll have some tight precise bass, but the punch is low. It just lets you know there is a bass, without the immersion under 70Hz. You can go without a sub first with the idea to get later a sub.
So Amir, if i plug the port and stop the sound coming off the front port, does it solve the 1.1 KHz problem? or should a ported speaker never to played with the port plugged?
Sealing it will remove the low end too. Usually speaker drivers are designed especially with either ported or sealed application in mind. They will have a difference in their properties. If the driver isnt designed to handle the pressure differencial that happens in a sealed cabinet, it will start struggling. It likely might start distorting as it will not have the capacity to push against the pressure, thus the peaks at each end of the waveform might get distorted. Maybe if you stick to low volumes it might not be a problem in terms of THD. Also, Im not sure, but it might even be a bad idea electrically, as overloading the driver like this might even.. well.. burn the coil.. Essentially, I would say, if you dont exactly know, dont try it. There are textbooks and guides on this subject. Its called Thiele/Small parameters. Just search "speaker T/S parameters" or smth like that, n look it up.
If I wanted to fix this, Id consider just adding foam between myself and the port side of the speaker. 1k is high enough for the foam to attenuate the resonance a bit. Just give the port some space for if you put foam inside the the port, it can cause turbulence in the port, thus, air moving noises..
Howdy Amir! Why there are no english auto subtitles in this video? They are quite useful for those who learn english listening to your amazing reviews ;-)
@@AudioScienceReview Amir, you just should tick the box language -> English and that's it. You do it when upload video. Thank you in advance. And one more thing about usability of the search menu on your site. Is it possible to chose one specific brand by clearing all the boxes at once and tick the one I need?
I remember trying this speaker out four or five years ago (they didn't have the A7X I was interested in around to demo) and being really disappointed by the sound in the mids. I'm wondering now if it could be the bumps and deep dip in response near 1.1KHz. I'm not sure how it could be imperceptible as indicated in the video. 300Hz is a pretty huge gap. Humans can hear differences in pitch of around 3.6Hz on average within 1-2KHz, with some able to hear much more accurately still. Sure, that's not quite the same thing as detecting a -8dB notch applied to a frequency band throughout all your music, but I know from applying PEQ on my amateur home recordings that such a thing also makes a pretty noticeable difference, not just around that high C# sat in the dip, but also notes in the octaves below it which will lose part of their harmonic series and thus mess up the tone - a compromise I've had to deal with when notching out electrical distortions picked up by my guitar.
Subs are so annoying to test as they rattle the whole house! As such, I have not jumped into testing them. It will take entire tutorials to talk about subs. For now, I would say the best tool to make them sound good is using equalization. Without it, no matter where you put them, you are going to get uneven, boomy bass.
Nice to see Amir. They do have a hiss as all active speakers do, but they are pretty quiet. Very quiet compared to e.g. KRK. About the price I see no issue if you consider the cost of passive speakers plus amp.
The key in keeping hiss low on speakers is to run high input signal in them and turn the poweramp as low as you feel comfortable listening to and then dim the signal upstream. Some people turn up the poweramp along with it's noisefloor and feed it with low signal as it get's too loud quickly. That way the signal to noise ratio will be quite bad.
@@marvinmitt4575 The noise (self noise) from an active speaker is rarely audible in the range of listening position. Might be if you are using near field monitors very close. But yes, easy to turn it down. But there's no poweramp being used in this situation : )
@@cornerliston Hello! I haven't heard the Adam AX's so can't tell about them, but if poweramp (wether in or outside the speaker enclosure) is cranked up and fed with low signal then there will be big losses in SNR. Could you please explain to me about the situation in regars of our talk about speakers where poweramp is not used? If it's an active speaker then it just has built in poweramp.
And just to clarify on my behalf, "big losses in SNR" are certainly audible with general poweramps but might be unaudible with midrange and up studio monitors.
@@marvinmitt4575Generally speaking a ‘power amp’ is a separate unit, but in theory sure every amp is a power amp I guess. Adams sit in the middle (in my experience) when it comes to noise generated by the amp. The main difference comparing active vs passive is that an active speaker has its amp set to full blast-hence the noise being audible even with no signal being fed to the speaker. Whilst a passive setup works the opposite way with the power amp introducing its noise with the amount of volume you send to the passive speakers. I'm not an engineer as Amir so he would explain this in technical terms a lot better than I can : )
They are very popular and liked by studios. I have a pair of the A7X's, but for me there is something way off about the folded ribbon tweeters on them. That's an unpopular view but one shared by a small minority of people. They are also made from cheap compressed paper board which sucks up moisture. I intend to rebuild mine at some point with a better ribbon.
For decades , smart sales people duped ignorant audiophiles into buying ridiculously expensive component s. ... The magazines glorified these products + even reviewed speaker cables + power cords ...each having a different review verdict , despite the fact they can not / do not ,make a difference...
11:02 - 11:46 that was 44 seconds of your subjective reporting experience; 5% of your “Studio monitor review” length. You replied to the earliest commentator down below with phrases e.g. “subjectivist nonsense” and “there is nothing but randomness in what” he/she asks for. Mr Amir, why do you even include such shallow subjective words at the end of your review? Isn’t it better to just skip the “subjectivist nonsense” all together and just describe your graphs? The following is very clear to me 1) your inability to report your subjective listening experience 2) lack of a proper methodology and protocol for subjective testing and reporting. Regards, Babak Goudarzipour, M.Sc. EE in Signal Processing, Founder, Hi-Reality project
None of these measurements discuss transparency. They're measuring how bright or linear the pixels on your PC monitor are, without talking about how the graphics card is rendering the image.
This is not a review. He sits there looking at a graph and doesn't talk about how it sounds until ten minutes later. And then all he has to say is it sounds fine. Low distortion and clean. Plays loud. Nothing about the music he used, imaging, depth, width, tone, dynamics, timing, detail, midrange treble quality, etc. Horrible review.
My listening tests are in support of the measurements. They are not subjective pontifications. The bits you are talking about is where subjectivist nonsense creeps in with you no way for you to verify validity of any of it. Learn to read and understand the specific measurements here and you will realize how powerful they are in predicting listening preference. There is 40 years of research behind the approach I am talking. There is nothing but randomness in what you ask for.
@@AudioScienceReview Mr Amir, for your knowledge, the very foundation of the flawed Harman Target curve that you happily use in your headphone reviews is based on “subjectivist nonsense”. To dissing the subjective experience in the way you do leave me questioning what you really have learned during your 40 years of research that you so often brag about.
@@AudioScienceReview The study you rely on is the one by toole. This is outdated and invalid. It was small sample size and we don't know what music was played or who the subjects were. I will now disprove tooles research. Most speakers don't measure anything like what toole thinks is ideal. Despite this, these speakers are bought and enjoyed by thousands of audiophiles. Therein lies the fallacy in tooles theories. I myself have listened to speakers such as KEF ls50 genelec and revel and they sounded bad to my ears. The fact of the matter is everyone has different preferences and there is no way to quantify these preferences using measurements. You believe that frequency response is all there is to it. This is the fallacy. If only it was that simple. Why not just buy any speaker and get an EQ if that was the case. You weren't blindfolded when listening to the speakers you review were you? Isn't this biased? How can you be sure you would prefer the one that measures well each and every time?
@@hireality Base on ASR's master speaker ranking, the single score for KEF Q350 (USD350 ea) is 5.7, while a Buchardt S400 (USD1950ea) has a score of 5.5. So objectively it should sound better than Buchardt. But on the contrary he recommended S400 instead of Q350. With reference to their respective inroom response from their review page, do people really think a properly EQ-ed Q350 will sound better or same as S400? Guess only those with the speakers in the same room will know..
@@ProfessorJohnSmith You do not need to quantify the preferences when measuring. That is where you need to know your preferences personally and learn to interprate the data for your own needs. As for your original list: stereo imaging is covered by his measures of the on and off axis frequency response, depth (i presume you mean low frequency output which was covered), width (what is width other than another word for stereo imaging), tone was extensively covered in the frequency analisis, dynamics (the output levels vs frequency were covered, the noise floor and distortion vs frequency at various output levels was covered, output vs time vs frequency was covered - what more do you need here for dynamics info?), timing (see dynamics), detail, midrange treble quality (see tone). Am I missing something? What other tests would you run on a set of speakers and why do you not think for example width is covered by imaging, or midrange treble quality or tone are covered by the extensive frequency analises carried out? Genuinely curious.
As of April 2021 Amir hasthe best audio site on RUclips. I hope others will follow your approach.
Ah, that is super kind thing to say! Thank you so much.
Absolutely.... No BS here ...
Notice his detractors never seem to have any data to refute what Amir says.
As someone once said -“better should be measurable”
Hard to follow without the Klippel system or another one! Maybe Amir will be a good influence. So much channel are only repeating others or the brands marketing.
Gotta say these reviews are incredibly valuable. Things like the dip at 1k might not be a dealbreaker, but it's very useful to know that it's there so we can work around it rather than chasing our tail when in a situation where it does become a problem.
Thanks Amir, this was very interesting. I have the original A5's and recently loaned them to a musician friend to use as mastering monitors. He said they were the nicest sounding monitors he'd ever heard. Just hope he answers the door when I go to pick them up.
Hehe. :)
This is a case where I really would like to hear a sweep going through the trough while simultaneously a graph is representing the frequency response.
Love these videos Amir thanks for the great work and stay safe
Much appreciated. You do as well.
Excellent review as always..What can you do to reduce the 1khz problem?
On fire today!
would putting foam bungs into the ports help with that ringing of the port?
Would love an Adam A77X review !
Amir, great review as always, but bear in mind that those are Near Field Monitors and that is their main purpose and designed to be used in such a way. I've had them for many years now, and I have them horizontally positioned in my home "studio", seated on a pair of self cut washing machine rubber mats. Also, you were right those have to be slightly inclined towards the listening position. If you want a pair of bookshelves for your HiFi, there are plenty of other speakers that would do much better job for significantly less money. And before anyone else asks, I do use XLR balanced inputs on them.
I appreciate that. A lot of my readership though is interested in powered speakers for hi-fi listening. So I tested them both ways. All the listening tests are performed near-field as I mentioned in the review and video. The CEA-2034 simulation however has no equivalence for near-field Predicted-in-room response.
What bookshelves would you recommend instead of the A5X?
Excellent channel! Have been checking out your site for quite a while but just start viewing your youtube content. Definite sub from me. There aren't enough noteworthy channels leaning into measurements.
HI thank you for the video, I'd like to hear your thoughts on this in comparison to the KEF LS50 Meta. Price aside, if possible I'd like to hear your thoughts? Apologies if this is quite a broad question, anyone I'd love to hear what you think. Kind regards from the UK
🙂
Thank you! My big respect!
Are you planning to test and review Adam A77x?
I like to see the Magnapan LRS analysis and review. Thank you.
As noted, I have reviewed it: www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/magnepan-lrs-speaker-review.16068/. If you mean to do a video, I had enough Magenapan fans throw darts at me already that I am not sure I want to do that yet. :)
@@AudioScienceReview
No problem, up to you, Sir. At least I already found the review
Thank you..
A little polyester fill in one or both ports should help reduce that 1K Hz dip without effecting the port tuning very much.
so do these employ dsp like the larger models in the range ?
Hi Amir, this channel is going to go up like a rocket. All Adam monitors look so good. I wish they had equaliization just like KRK (I get nervous with those yellow drivers). Have you reviewed or listened to Swissonic ASM7 monitors? They look good and at good price at least in Europe (in Thoman you find them for 244euro/pair nice price for 6.5" and 60w on LF and 20 for the tweeter).
I just purchased these with the sub as a bundle - and they are AMAZING! It's honestly just a pleasure to listen to music through them, and I could not recommend them highly enough. (But using them with the Sub8 definitely takes the experience to the next level.) Thank you for the great info!
Amir!! Use the Japanese bride as your profile pic xDDD
I been checking out ASR for quite a while now and I really love the DAC bar graph showing the SNR + distortion and such. Also the HP amp power graph and the Speaker power amp signal graph. I LOVE GRAPHS. At least when it comes to decision making xD.
PLEASE tell me these are on your bucket list to review!
1) SMSL DA-9 (Clean or not?)
2) Emotiva HC-1 / XPA-DR1 (Are these viable cheaper alternatives to the Benchmark AHB2?)
3) KRK Rokit 10-3, Adam T8V, Kali IN-8, Yamaha HS8 Comparison shootout!
4) Emotiva T2+
5) Wharfedale Evo 4.4/4.2
I know it's a lot but I know you can do it!
Also, I heard you guys found a thermal problem with SMSL M500 and then they fixed it with V2.
Is this V2 wayyyyyyyy superior? Does it top the charts now? Considering it's only $420, it's way cheaper than Topping DX7 Pro and they use the same ES3038 Pro chip.
Keep up the good work!
I noticed pieces broken off the pink panthers near most of the equipment you review. In the reviews of most of my sound system, the panther is smashed to bits. Is this significant? I’m not an electrical engineer or an electrician or anything.
:) The panthers are not so secret, secret subjective coding of how I feel about a product after evaluating it. See: www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/asr-panthers.11541/
Analog active crossover with behavior this good is impressive - shame about the ports being bad. The bigger ones (A7X, A8X, A77X) in my experience are kind of janky compared to this. The slight V shape present here is _much_ more severe and the A77X has the usual MTM problem. Plus, there's the fact that a 5" midbass/1"-ballpark tweeter is about as big as you can get away with without a waveguide of some sort without major directivity error.
Can you PLEASE make a video addressing the recent video released by Thomas & Stereo claiming that "cable measurement is not science'.
Another great review, would you ever consider reviewing a surround sound receiver?
I have reviewed a ton of AVRs and AV Processors with more coming. Please look at the dedicated home theater forum on ASR: www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?forums/home-theater-avr-and-processor-review.35/
@@AudioScienceReview Thank you.
@@AudioScienceReview Your explanation comparing Magnepan fans to Best Buy Klipsh buyers was not very convincing. Watch jay’s audio lab channel. He has reviewed Magico, Wilson, Focals and he likes his Magnepans best under $25000. Does he look like a Best Buy shopper to you?
Neumi speakers have dual front ports and almost the same notch in the frequency response.
actually that mode at 1k will remain even if you stuff the ports...it just needs more damping inside the cabinet.
Hey, Amir. I'd love a review of RCF Ayra Pro 5 and IK MULTIMEDIA iloud micro monitor.
would you say in a small room (around 140 square feet) that the bass is sufficient enough without a sub? i need to be able to choose kicks and bass easily and i’m a little worried about if i can successfully on these.
I use adams a5x for 5 years. You'll have some tight precise bass, but the punch is low. It just lets you know there is a bass, without the immersion under 70Hz. You can go without a sub first with the idea to get later a sub.
So Amir, if i plug the port and stop the sound coming off the front port, does it solve the 1.1 KHz problem? or should a ported speaker never to played with the port plugged?
Sealing it will remove the low end too.
Usually speaker drivers are designed especially with either ported or sealed application in mind. They will have a difference in their properties. If the driver isnt designed to handle the pressure differencial that happens in a sealed cabinet, it will start struggling. It likely might start distorting as it will not have the capacity to push against the pressure, thus the peaks at each end of the waveform might get distorted. Maybe if you stick to low volumes it might not be a problem in terms of THD.
Also, Im not sure, but it might even be a bad idea electrically, as overloading the driver like this might even.. well.. burn the coil..
Essentially, I would say, if you dont exactly know, dont try it. There are textbooks and guides on this subject. Its called Thiele/Small parameters. Just search "speaker T/S parameters" or smth like that, n look it up.
If I wanted to fix this, Id consider just adding foam between myself and the port side of the speaker. 1k is high enough for the foam to attenuate the resonance a bit. Just give the port some space for if you put foam inside the the port, it can cause turbulence in the port, thus, air moving noises..
Can you do a8x?
Howdy Amir!
Why there are no english auto subtitles in this video?
They are quite useful for those who learn english listening to your amazing reviews ;-)
Don't laugh but I don't know how to do that. :) Is this just an option or I need to get someone to transcript it?
@@AudioScienceReview Amir, you just should tick the box language -> English and that's it. You do it when upload video. Thank you in advance. And one more thing about usability of the search menu on your site. Is it possible to chose one specific brand by clearing all the boxes at once and tick the one I need?
Debut Reference video pls ☺️🙏
Eve sc205 monitors don't seem to have this issue... just saying 🤷♂️
Amazing channel. Wish you made a video on subwoofers
+1 👍
I remember trying this speaker out four or five years ago (they didn't have the A7X I was interested in around to demo) and being really disappointed by the sound in the mids. I'm wondering now if it could be the bumps and deep dip in response near 1.1KHz. I'm not sure how it could be imperceptible as indicated in the video. 300Hz is a pretty huge gap. Humans can hear differences in pitch of around 3.6Hz on average within 1-2KHz, with some able to hear much more accurately still. Sure, that's not quite the same thing as detecting a -8dB notch applied to a frequency band throughout all your music, but I know from applying PEQ on my amateur home recordings that such a thing also makes a pretty noticeable difference, not just around that high C# sat in the dip, but also notes in the octaves below it which will lose part of their harmonic series and thus mess up the tone - a compromise I've had to deal with when notching out electrical distortions picked up by my guitar.
My new desktop speakers (when I have the money)
Great Amir. You need to make a video to unlock the misteries of Subwoofers. When do we need them and where to place them ?
Subs are so annoying to test as they rattle the whole house! As such, I have not jumped into testing them. It will take entire tutorials to talk about subs. For now, I would say the best tool to make them sound good is using equalization. Without it, no matter where you put them, you are going to get uneven, boomy bass.
Nice to see Amir.
They do have a hiss as all active speakers do, but they are pretty quiet. Very quiet compared to e.g. KRK.
About the price I see no issue if you consider the cost of passive speakers plus amp.
The key in keeping hiss low on speakers is to run high input signal in them and turn the poweramp as low as you feel comfortable listening to and then dim the signal upstream. Some people turn up the poweramp along with it's noisefloor and feed it with low signal as it get's too loud quickly. That way the signal to noise ratio will be quite bad.
@@marvinmitt4575 The noise (self noise) from an active speaker is rarely audible in the range of listening position. Might be if you are using near field monitors very close.
But yes, easy to turn it down.
But there's no poweramp being used in this situation : )
@@cornerliston Hello! I haven't heard the Adam AX's so can't tell about them, but if poweramp (wether in or outside the speaker enclosure) is cranked up and fed with low signal then there will be big losses in SNR. Could you please explain to me about the situation in regars of our talk about speakers where poweramp is not used? If it's an active speaker then it just has built in poweramp.
And just to clarify on my behalf, "big losses in SNR" are certainly audible with general poweramps but might be unaudible with midrange and up studio monitors.
@@marvinmitt4575Generally speaking a ‘power amp’ is a separate unit, but in theory sure every amp is a power amp I guess.
Adams sit in the middle (in my experience) when it comes to noise generated by the amp.
The main difference comparing active vs passive is that an active speaker has its amp set to full blast-hence the noise being audible even with no signal being fed to the speaker. Whilst a passive setup works the opposite way with the power amp introducing its noise with the amount of volume you send to the passive speakers.
I'm not an engineer as Amir so he would explain this in technical terms a lot better than I can : )
I'm curious how these compare to M-Audio BX5. Does anyone heard both and can tell me about it?
Genelec 8030C > Neumann KH 80 DSP > Adam A5X >>>>> M-Audio BX5
BX5 sucks
The bx5 was the most incapable monitor I ever demo’d
How about reviewing some passive, home stereo speakers? A fair number of us have no interest in powered studio monitors.
A7X is the more popular model used in studios...
They are very popular and liked by studios.
I have a pair of the A7X's, but for me there is something way off about the folded ribbon tweeters on them.
That's an unpopular view but one shared by a small minority of people.
They are also made from cheap compressed paper board which sucks up moisture.
I intend to rebuild mine at some point with a better ribbon.
I think it had class D on woofer.
Yup, Class D woofer Class AB tweeter.
For decades , smart sales people duped ignorant audiophiles into buying ridiculously expensive component s. ... The magazines glorified these products + even reviewed speaker cables + power cords ...each having a different review verdict , despite the fact they can not / do not ,make a difference...
11:02 - 11:46 that was 44 seconds of your subjective reporting experience; 5% of your “Studio monitor review” length. You replied to the earliest commentator down below with phrases e.g. “subjectivist nonsense” and “there is nothing but randomness in what” he/she asks for. Mr Amir, why do you even include such shallow subjective words at the end of your review? Isn’t it better to just skip the “subjectivist nonsense” all together and just describe your graphs?
The following is very clear to me 1) your inability to report your subjective listening experience 2) lack of a proper methodology and protocol for subjective testing and reporting.
Regards, Babak Goudarzipour,
M.Sc. EE in Signal Processing,
Founder, Hi-Reality project
get out of here babak khanom
None of these measurements discuss transparency. They're measuring how bright or linear the pixels on your PC monitor are, without talking about how the graphics card is rendering the image.
This is not a review. He sits there looking at a graph and doesn't talk about how it sounds until ten minutes later. And then all he has to say is it sounds fine. Low distortion and clean. Plays loud. Nothing about the music he used, imaging, depth, width, tone, dynamics, timing, detail, midrange treble quality, etc. Horrible review.
My listening tests are in support of the measurements. They are not subjective pontifications. The bits you are talking about is where subjectivist nonsense creeps in with you no way for you to verify validity of any of it. Learn to read and understand the specific measurements here and you will realize how powerful they are in predicting listening preference. There is 40 years of research behind the approach I am talking. There is nothing but randomness in what you ask for.
@@AudioScienceReview Mr Amir, for your knowledge, the very foundation of the flawed Harman Target curve that you happily use in your headphone reviews is based on “subjectivist nonsense”. To dissing the subjective experience in the way you do leave me questioning what you really have learned during your 40 years of research that you so often brag about.
@@AudioScienceReview The study you rely on is the one by toole. This is outdated and invalid. It was small sample size and we don't know what music was played or who the subjects were. I will now disprove tooles research. Most speakers don't measure anything like what toole thinks is ideal. Despite this, these speakers are bought and enjoyed by thousands of audiophiles. Therein lies the fallacy in tooles theories. I myself have listened to speakers such as KEF ls50 genelec and revel and they sounded bad to my ears.
The fact of the matter is everyone has different preferences and there is no way to quantify these preferences using measurements.
You believe that frequency response is all there is to it. This is the fallacy. If only it was that simple. Why not just buy any speaker and get an EQ if that was the case.
You weren't blindfolded when listening to the speakers you review were you? Isn't this biased? How can you be sure you would prefer the one that measures well each and every time?
@@hireality Base on ASR's master speaker ranking, the single score for KEF Q350 (USD350 ea) is 5.7, while a Buchardt S400 (USD1950ea) has a score of 5.5. So objectively it should sound better than Buchardt. But on the contrary he recommended S400 instead of Q350. With reference to their respective inroom response from their review page, do people really think a properly EQ-ed Q350 will sound better or same as S400? Guess only those with the speakers in the same room will know..
@@ProfessorJohnSmith You do not need to quantify the preferences when measuring. That is where you need to know your preferences personally and learn to interprate the data for your own needs. As for your original list: stereo imaging is covered by his measures of the on and off axis frequency response, depth (i presume you mean low frequency output which was covered), width (what is width other than another word for stereo imaging), tone was extensively covered in the frequency analisis, dynamics (the output levels vs frequency were covered, the noise floor and distortion vs frequency at various output levels was covered, output vs time vs frequency was covered - what more do you need here for dynamics info?), timing (see dynamics), detail, midrange treble quality (see tone).
Am I missing something? What other tests would you run on a set of speakers and why do you not think for example width is covered by imaging, or midrange treble quality or tone are covered by the extensive frequency analises carried out? Genuinely curious.
sadly again overpriced item..
Stop the ummm please