I’m gonna do some glazin’. Pause. YOU, Omar are a role model in this space, you bring the much needed combination of empiricism and rationalism back into fitness. I’ve been watching for almost 10 years now, shoutout to you surf clam
Yourself (though I've not been around in a while, Nippard, Cavilier, John meadows (rip) and because of the quality info. I also watch people like Jujimufu for the fun of the content. He is always doing some fun stuff.
Dr. Mike Israetel's diet and fat loss videos helped me understand the biggest lesson one can learn which is "find what works for you" and learning to take will power out of the equation completely helped my understanding of eating healthy.
Everything is wrong with the fitness industry. And social media highlighted all of them. No one wants information they just want a caricature of what they think fitness is.
Is it though ? Especially in 2023 ? I feel like Omar in this video is complaining about past problems especially when it comes down to YT game. Most people who are top dogs in fitness game rn are very smart science based dude bro's who also look jacked as fuck. Sure in 2012-2015 there was rampant fake natty epidemic but right now i feel like most people who care about gym culture and fitness already know who is on shit and is full of shit and who isnt.
I think we need to be careful with speaking in absolutes like this. I get you're making a (valid) point but, using words like 'everyone' and 'no one' simply isn't true. I know I'm being pedantic but I think it's an important point because viewing the world with black and white thinking skews our perception of reality. Who you're talking about is a smaller number of people, mostly younger and/or novices but the people who actually take fitness seriously and have a few years of experience under their belt are looking for good information above all imo. Don't get me wrong, if someone has great information that passes the critical thinking questions that Omar raises in this, AND they have achieved great results themselves, that's the best combo for me. I think after a certain amount of time spent on these online platforms, you do start to see through the bullshit. You start to understand who got their results through PEDs/pure genetic luck, and those who really know their shit. Just my 2 cents.
@@longdrumsI disagree with the 'smaller number of people'. Most of the people in fitness are either novices (and this category encompasses a many fitness levels) and young people who are getting into fitness. There is just a small possibility that upon deciding to hop on to fitness, it's the likes of Omar, Eric and Jeff you're going to encounter and listen to. It's either the bros in the gym, the gym instructor with bro knowledge and famous people in social media with shock and awe value that's going to be considered. Only along the way that when things are not going according to your expectation do you consider other people's opinion since your concern now become nuanced like from wanting to be big and ripped, now you're into how to recover properly, how to get stronger in this lift or how to manage injury. You start thinking critically about the methods and usually that does not happen on day 1.
The strength coach I worked with for 9 years didn’t look too fit, but he was much stronger than average. He had the insane ability to remember literally everything he ever read/studied. He also did plenty of continuing education….💪🏼
The biggest, most jacked guys in all my gyms are by far the least intelligent and the least hard working of the people I encounter. But, they have their little illegal secrets that they inject into the situation to give them most of their look (but downplay just how much it affects their physique).
i made the most gains of my life when i stopped obsessively trying to follow every piece of advice from science fitness youtube. Min maxing everything trying to make gain all the muscle possible and giving myself a hard time for missing out on anything. also the internal battle of trying to decide which contradicting information to listen to. This caused so much stress i ended up not being able to consistently workout. when i worked out alot more like a normie, but just kept at it i actually made significant progress.
I have my MS in ex Phys, and I concur. The reality is you are probably still training with an evidence based approach, but instead of expending mental energy on the science you’re doing it on the effort.
Even training sub optimally, you'll still get results. Just at a slightly slower pace. The difference between doing everything 100% perfect (which is impossible) and doing it 80% perfect is not going to be much
@@epicvids9557I think the issue with the fitness industrial complex is caused by a combination of intense marketing from the sports supplement industrial complex, and uneducated consumers due to the failing education industrial complex in America.
You used Dr. Eric Helms as an example, and I don't think your average viewer truly grasps just how intelligent and brilliant of a mind Helms is when it comes to exercise science. Truly one of the brightest in the fitness industry.
I have quite a few problems with being too "science-based", because that implies the evidence we have in fitness is high quality and generalizable, which in a lot of cases, it isn't. While sometimes it's too granular to get into within a short form video, a skilled communicator will break down all research the same way and try to distill into take home points (Greg Nuckols email newsletter comes to mind). In fitness, when compared to something like pharmacology, for example, experiential knowledge is very important. If you haven't trained yourself or trained a lot of athletes but know a lot of the research out there, I wouldn't follow you. The best fitness practitioners have both a handle on the evidence (and, more importantly, a critical view of the evidence and its shortcomings) and experiential knowledge. There's too much variability in the human population to base fitness decisions on research papers done on 20 year old men with 3 years lifting experience over a short duration study, or on research done on single joint movements. The foundational principles are what matter. It's also important to note that humans are very versatile and malleable and can adapt to a variety of training styles, so people should be wary of anyone trying to sell them a training method as an "ideal." Critical thinking and a scientific mindset are important, but the evidence in fitness is severely lacking overall, in my opinion.
Absolutely agree. The appraisal and application of what science is available makes the coach/advisor, and the best ones do that in the light of their practical experience across subjects. You should try to find people who have a good mix and who will always note any limitations of a study they might use. If they are disseminating experiential findings that haven't been supported by any empirical evidence, they should also note that while giving solid reasons for why they believe it could help/work.
A great example is the "knee not over toes" bullshit squatting advice from people who have only learned training but didn't practice it, because it is completely wrong and felt unnatural to a lot of people (because it was). General knowledge is good but you need experience with individuals to know how to apply it to each case. Not everyone can do the same things in the same way.
@@robertmusil1107 Not sure what you mean about Knees over toes guy , he literally says if you can do this then here is a regression, till you get better & stronger, then do it this way. most people's anatomy is pretty much the same so most of what he says would apply to 99% , if it felt unnatural it may be because you need to do a regression, or just get used it, if a toddler can get into that position than its a natural position
I haven't really seen this channel before. This video was really amazing. The questions at 7:50 are REALLY REALLY useful to anyone, to open their eyes if they are trapped in the beginners cycle
The problem is not just the advice but the measuring tools. Strength, Speed and endurance are easily measurable. So you can tell pretty quickly if something works or not. But measuring muscle growth is very complex and long. I wish more channels spoke about that. Most channels say " try it " but they're not specific as to the best method to measure your progress.
Whats wrong with the fitness community is people arent willing to just TRY things! Its imposible to know what works for YOU the best, just give every modality an honest try and see if it sticks to you.
"find what works for you" is possibly the worst advice you can give, because it gives people.permissiom to go try any dumb workout instead of following proven systems. It also doesn't encourage people to learn what actually drives progress, it just encourages people to try things blindly.
@@Train_Eat_Rest_Repeat The thing is most exercises are not inherently bad. What OP is saying is that instead of going down with the fearmongering "upright rows will make your shoulders explode and cripple you" or "deadlifts are not optimal", you should try out exercises and see if you get gains or if they just are bad for you. Upright row is a good example. Some people can not do upright rows because of the structure of their shoulder joints. That's not me though, I'm gladly doing them and getting some upper back + shoulder gains from them. Trying out exercises doesn't mean you don't research the exercise first.
There is that problem and on the opposite side of the spectrum there are the guys who try everything randomly and after a few months of lifting they can't understand why they are not progressing on anything. Too much changing with the variables and then they are whining on the internet and saying "I have poor leverages, poor genetics, fuck knows what". The random dicking around is the biggest enemy of progress. Especially when they follow some guy who gives tips with titles like"this exercise makes you this and that".
@@Adamsfamily1990 if after trying "24 sets lf 5000 reps" like some PED users do and trying "a solid 2-4 sets lf 6-10 reps" you dont know whats best for you, theres trouble friend. I never said to randomly dick around. I said people should just TRY those things instead of mindlessly listening to other peoples opinions. Wanna see if HIT works? Try it! Upright rows fuck your shoulders? Try it! How many sets does X bodypart need to grow? Try it!
I think it is a difficult answer to give i will use myself as an example, i am born with a disloacted shoulder and all science im aware off have told me to not train heavy pressing movements. And ive done exactly the opposite of that, despite the fact that my shoulder is disloacted to the point it actually causes my muscle on the left shoulder to attach differently than it is supposed to ive still worked my way up to rep 315 on the bench and 225 1 RM OHP. And that was not through working in the trenches and as well reading everything i could get my hands on about the shoulder, and i know from experience that 2 sets that are somewhere between 80-92% load and then back off down to about 65% for 2 sets is what has produced some of the best gains ive ever seen. Yet there is no study that i am aware off that supports that type of training, similairy with cluster sets and use cluster sets in a similair way of having 2 heavy sets and 2 back off sets producing crazy gains. Personally id say both rather than just listen to 1 side, i find you get to be far more knowledgeable and holistic if you both work in the trenches and at the same time also read articales and research papers.
I remember answering that poll and my thinking at the time wasnt about wether someone is a string bing/ overweight. It was just the difficulty i have in respecting/ listening to someone in a specific space with no personal experience with it. Like someone that has read everything on driving stick doesnt mean they arent going to stall out/ burn the clutch.
I think positive results in coaching clients should be prioritized over either scientific knowledge or personal achievements. Studies can be flawed or missapplied. Personal achievement can be due to genetics, or due to hard work that was effective but could have been optimized, but success in coaching a large number of individuals shows that whatever they're doing works across a variety of people
The biggest question I ask when learning from an instructor in just about any field: "Are their students achieving optimal results?" At the end of the day, that is what truly matters. There are athletes, investors, businessmen, etc who have achieved phenomenal results in their own lives but are very poor insturctors while there are coaches and instructors who haven't achieved their own success in a certain field, sport, or profession yet are the coaches to the best performers in the world as we see with coaches like Bill Belichek (head coach of the New England Patriots), Tiger Wood's long time golf instructor, boxing coaches and trainors, etc.. Look to their most senior students or players, are they where you strive to be??
I remember a time at the gym and this big dude was benching next to me. He was benching something like 385 for sets of 10. I talked to him after and he said it was his first week back lifting after a year off. 🤦🏻♂️😂 yeah, genetics matter. Anyway yeah big then which you kind of talked about is watching for people who are super dogmatic and constantly say things like “never” and “always” and they never change their mind on anything.
I follow multiple people for different reasons. some for good information, some for entertainment. some for potential hints and tips but ultimately i take everything with a grain of salt as know some things whilst still 100% true might be applicable to me whilst others not. Ive trained for decades so know pretty much what works for me and what doesn't, but also respect that with all things in life there is always room to learn more
Follow a variety of lifters with a variety of qualifications/experience. Instead of the differences, see what the commonalities among them are. That's where the magic is.
I do agree that if your goal is powerlifting then following somebody who has successfully coached a variety of other people in powerlifting is probably your best bet. But that is also probably an imperfect measurement. Like I'm sure Joey Franzo is a great coach and you aren't going to go wrong by working with him. But he's also in a unique situation where potential world champions are seeking him out (And deservedly so. I'm not trying to put him down.) so I don't think you can hold his record up against everybody else's. Also, coaches aren't necessarily influencers. They're working with people 1-on-1 and not necessarily making their experience widely available like an influencer. Social media is just an imperfect information delivery mechanism and always will be.
We built a society that runs on greed, and we made sure the entire fitness and supplement industries had absolutely no regulations... so the many people motivated solely by greed can say and do whatever they want and get away with it.
"We built a society on greed" sounds just like "Capitalism creates inequality." Greed is far deeper and fundamental a problem to our species than a simple societal overlay, just like inequality is.
@@posthawk1393 Wrong - greed is closely tied to highly individualised social systems such as capitalism. There are plenty of examples of societies where greed is frowned upon and subject to exclusion. It is not an evolutionary trait, social bonding and cooperation is. And capitalism IS inequality - it is its foundation, make a profit from cutting the costs; pay as little as possible for resources, workers, distribution. And the world is a zero-sum game in terms of labour as well as ecologically. There's always someone paying the price for your conveniences.
@@TheDavveponken Inequality is closely tied to the human condition, and not the fault of capitalism. When they dig up the remains of our hunter gatherers, they often one man with all the gold. Do you really think the age of slavery, Autocracy, and serfdom was more equal? Regarding your so-call greedless societies: Are the societies you're referring to small groups of people with fewer than 150? Then yes, social relationships are different, but only because of the small number of people. Once a group grows larger than 150, social bonds weaken because we can't keep track of more than 150 people in our heads. And you're completely delusional if you think labor is a zero sum game. I'm literally making $26 an hour to drive a forklift and unload trucks, providing me with a benefit while the owner likely makes a substantial profit as well. Where is the negative that equalizes my huge gain? There isn't one. Human beings are far wealthier than they've been at any point in human history (minus the wealth lost from the shut down). Explain the increase in average daily caloric intake, or how everyone has a computer, refrigerator, car, roof over their heads, freezer, internet, clothing, gaming consoles, toothbrushes, and the list goes on. It's not like people in third world countries are paying the price for this to equalize out the gain to zero sum. They're gaining as well. The whole world is rising up, and the biggest problem with that is that people like you aren't grateful for it and are too ignorant /brainwashed by Marxist economic theory to see the truth. We're literally on the path to end hunger. I don't know what could possibly be a greater proof against zero sum economics than that.
@TheDavveponken lol dude you need to study other countries or at least skim the last 100 years of human history. Please do give some examples of people who started at the bottom in a socialist or communist society and worked their way out of poverty and created wealth for their family. CaPiTaLiSm BaD is such a braindead take.
growing up in the 90's was the best time no information overload just picking a routine following it and other bros sharing theirs we were testing them and guess what i still didn't make any gaines but still the best time
I think the relevance of age/maturity can't be overstated. In my 40's I've purchased 3 programs from Jeff which I interchange. He's earned my trust and they work for me. In my 20's I would have followed any jacked up moron offering advice (if YT had existed) and it may have worked as I was in my 20's.
Likewise in my 40's and glad I started my 'journey' before the internet through trial and error so know what works for me and what doesn't as in this information age and social media there is so much conflicting information and BS out there If I was younger and starting out Id most likely be doing everything wrong and being easily influenced by others every other week
I think one thing that's missing is people actually talking about their own experiences or the experiences of others. Results are cool and all, but most people probably aren't looking to be top performers and just want to be healthier, stronger or better looking in some way. It's easy to determine success rates from lifting numbers and medal counts, but something like increasing general strength and mobility is harder to quantify.
I coach high school sports, and I think something a coaching mentor taught me about learning from other coaches/clinics applies. It is basically to take everything the coach/clinic in question says and teaches, and run it through a filter of what you know about principles of motor learning and what you know of the sport. Applying that to fitness content: What are they saying? How does it mesh with established training principles and exercise physiology principles? Does it fit with ideas like specificity? Does the research they are citing actually say what they say? If it does, is the effect actually meaningful in a real world context?
And then there is also just the simple fact of knowing what a specific fitness content creator actually knows. For example, I don't go to Jeff Nipples for Olympic weightlifting advice.
I think a better way to phrase this question is "what do you know?" vs "what have you done?" Both lifters and coaches have applied their knowledge in the real world, whereas PHDs and exercise scientists may not have in the context of strength training. I'm listening to the coaches/ lifters in that case every time.
Listen to the advice of the knowledgeable most but watch those that inspire maybe before hitting the gym is what makes sense. Personally I've always followed the best powerlifters and bodybuilders alike following a sort of hybrid program.
Jeff's polls also have built in bias of audience. Also I love the guy who destroyed the comments with "If my oncologist who knows everything about cancer doesn't have stage 4 cancer and is beating it, I won't trust his advice" in the middle of all the comments excusing how you can't if you don't do it yourself. Same for engineers really. If they don't weld together a space rocket and fly to moon, or cast concrete to create a bridge, they're good for nothing.
whats really wrong in the fitness industry is content creators like omar isuf with impossible to achieve ass-chests. Giving false expectations to little timmy is really disgusting !!!!!
A healthy level of skepticism is necessary in order to avoid being pulled in 1000 different directions. Especially with more and more AND MORE “influencers” trying to get their cut of the pie, what’s popular isn’t necessarily going to be what’s actually effective. 11:09
I follow you (obviously!), Jeff Nippard, Jeff from Athlean-X, Meg Squats, Cori from Redefining Strength and Alan Thrall because I respect the knowledge that you have about weightlifting and the great ability that each of you have to put together solid content, with a bit of humour.
Oh I saw that poll! Yeah, I thought it was a trick question of sorts. For example, what if you're coach is super experienced and knowledgeable but elderly? Happens all the time
Ok I had a friend talk shit about the personal trainers at his gym “you know if I hire a pt they better be fucking bigger than me. Like they’re all small” - he’s a natty and sits there taking advice from juiced out of their mind bodybuilders online. So I said to him “okay… so you expect a sports coach to be better at the sport than their players? Or is it just their job and skill set to refine what the players do, to observe and correct their faults and use their knowledge to make them as good as possible? Do you think someone allstar player instantly knows how to train others, just because he’s the man in his field? Can he do better than a top tier coach who may have no athletic abilities, just because he’s better on the field?” He still didn’t get it. I don’t think everyone needs a pt, but I think judging someone’s ability to train, instruct or teach you solely on their body is ridiculous. Not everyone wants to be jacked out of their mind… doesn’t mean they don’t understand how to get someone else there.
I've been training and competing in powerlifting for nearly 9 years, now. As a science-minded individual with a degree in mol biol and biomed sci, I gravitated towards folks like NIppard in the beginning, but the more years I get under my belt, the more I can spot the truth in certain little nuggets of info that only come from someone who has walked the walk (or been a successful coach) AND had the presence of mind to note practical phenomena that might not fall out of study data but which is still useful and evidenced in their career. I'm thinking of guys like Bromley and Alex Leonidas - they are not going to quote EMG study data at you like Nippard will. Bromley even jokes that he did that in his early career and now finds it cringey af. I'm not saying people should swing all the way to the bro side, but it often turns out that stuff the bros figured out via their own experimentation ends up being supported once exercise science gets around to running the appropriate trial (and sometimes the latter is just never going to happen because there is no feasible study design that will be practical to recruit a decent sample size for). Definitely demand some level of solid reasoning and evidence for the claims people make, always, but don't automatically write off someone who might initially sound like they've fallen for the cognitive bias of thinking their own anecdotal experience must equate to evidence and can be applied to everyone. Sometimes it actually could be that, but sometimes it's stuff that has been noticed to work across a decent number of trainees and across years of trial and error - the details will count in figuring that out if you are a newbie, and if you are experienced, you will easily be able to discern what resonates with your own experience. I thin kit's awesome we don't have to choose between people with just book smarts or just practical experience - most of the better RUclipsrs have both to varying degrees, and and differences in those degrees amongst individuals can yield good food for thought when figuring out what to apply to your own regime or program. I would also note that the number one person who has affected my lifting and how I go about it the most is my best mate who got me into lifting, got me into his gym and then provided a space to lift in when Covid closed it down, and then built us a gym at his house to use for free. He has also done all my programming, with input from me to tweak it. Having someone that intimate with your own training history, who will know how you respond to different training stimuli, what seems to aggravate problem areas/injuries, how long is the best taper for you, how you respond to different cutting plans, and what you enjoy, is worth its weight in gold, and something no RUclipsr can ever give you. I guess if you're not as lucky as I am to have someone like that as a friend, then a good coach is what you want.
I definitely feel what you’re saying. Joe defranco a popular strength and conditioning coach I follow incorporated heavy prowler pushes and pulls and found his guys ran lower 40 times from it. He did that years ago- when research was saying the opposite… fast forward 15 years later and the science “caught up” to what he was doing.
When I look at pictures of the bodybuilding greats, these guys were all bigger than I will ever be by the time they were 17. Basing my ideas by following someone's results makes no sense because I don't have that structure. I've been lifting since I was 16 (50 now) and I've tried every program and diet, short of PED's, but I have the body of an endurance athlete. Therefore, I read and listen to what various people suggest but I have to try it out and see what works best for me. Just because a genetically gifted hulk, on steroids, can train 6 days per week, doing dozens of sets doesn't mean that will work for me. I've learned the fundamentals but I'm tweaking frequency, volume, intensity, and rep ranges to make what little progress I can. Someone with a different physiology may find a different balance works better for them.
Trial and error seems to be a lost act these days it seems. I learned what works for myself much the same way before the internet (started at 15 and now 45) and heard so many times training advice given along the lines of "You should never do this.." by people who have never actually tried 'this'
I got most of my lifting knowledge from youtube. Majority of it comes from Dr.Mike Israetel, then Mike Van Wyck, then some other coaches like Hany or Milos. Despite all this, I listen to how my body reacts the most and just lifting and experience for yourself is how you learn the most imo. RUclips “influencers” are a little overrated in today’s day and age unfortunately.
Man, I miss the golden era of YT fitness days....You had Scooby, Hodgetwins, the rise of CT Fletcher, Elliot Hulse Strength Camp, Health4Thought, Pumpfitness. Now it just seems so oversaturated and filled with a bunch of carbon copies
Hany Rambod, nuff said. Knowledge and applied knowledge will trump someone who hit the genetic lottery every time. Don’t learn from easy gainers, learn from hard gainers who have overcome their limitations.
I personally am very drawn to the presenters that site scientific research and systematic reviews and clearly understand the gold standard of research studies. Their personal level of "jacked" doesn't weigh in much because I want to be able to take the evidence based advice and implement it into my lifestyle. It also gives me comfort because I don't feel a pressure to be like the jacked pros and just to be the best me, and I'm enjoying my results.
Lot of good points here.For me it has to be a combination of both.Anyone with an above average IQ can learn A LOT about training and nutrition by just reading but it is something else to actually walk the walk as well :-)
Insane fitness industry standards aside, even in everyday life people are drawn to someone who appears more fit & attractive. Seems to be some innate bias in people in general, it’s good to be aware of this phenomenon for sure.
Funny thing is that in most sports this is not a problem. When you look at professional sports the coach could never achieve the performance their athletes do.
That's why my favorite is "house of hypertrophy". I have no idea how the person who does that looks, it's all about research, and conveyed through animations.
Just like not everyone is a good teacher, not everyone is a good strength trainer or coach. A good trainer has seen a lot of different body types, physical abilities and difference responses to programming and is a lot more likely to give helpful advice for a particular individual. I've found Alan Thrall and Barbell Medicine to both be really good sources of general information on strength training.
Those with a great physique I find get very little credence. There's many "incorrect" ways to skin the proverbial cat. Having a body of people who have been trained in a similar way, with similar results, I think is a lot more important, especially when it can be explained both from the body of data we have *and* from first principles. The post-nominals carry no weight (pardon the pun) in either circumstance
Like, Frank Medrano has my ideal physique and favors calisthenics like I do - but his training guidance is subpar. 🤷🏿♂️ I mostly focus instead on folks actively doing or following exercise science like Mike Israetel, Eric Helms, Jeff Nippard, and PictureFIT (who I've bever even seen). I also pay attention to folks who just have solid philosophies like Red Delta Project, Joe Delaney, FitnessFAQs, and Omar.
I listen to 1) people who have years of experience coaching others and finding what works 2) degrees in the field 3) people who have found individual success. In that order
“Genetics” a lot of influencers out there who give advice and sell products use gear and are selling “similar results” using their program but won’t because the average person isn’t going to go on a year long cycle.
I’m turning 30 soon so I’m interested in following more longevity specialists. And you kinda have to be “old and still in shape” for me to give you credit haha. I’ll listen to what a 20 year old says about longevity, but with less than half a grain of salt.
It's understandable, but it's quite possible for a 65yo who is ripped to give you a bunch of advice you think is legit and then die early the following year because he's been blasting various gear since he was your age. Of course, you can't wait until you're 80 to see who lived the longest, healthiest lives out of the cohort of influencers and podcasters we have now, so what you want to do is look for those who present both well-supported evidence-based info AND who seem to be benefitting from what they preach. In this space I would recommend Peter Attia. And as someone who is about to be 44 and competes in masters powerlifting with folks aged into their 70s, don't listen to anyone who tells you going heavy as you get older is dangerous or not "healthy".
There's a curiously counterintuitive aspect to this too; if you follow advice from pros, you're going to get advice for pros. But are you a pro? If not, why are you listening to pros? It would be like me asking a formula 1 driver for tips on passing my driving test. On first glance it totally makes sense to ask the top tier atheletes/drivers, after all surely they know everything? But in fact, their whole context is so different to what you as a noob/intermediate/casual person needs, that it actually can be counterproductive to follow them for advice, in my opinion.
A more realistic issue that the one Jeff pointed out is the opposite: listening to someone who has no idea what he’s talking about just because he’s jacked. Sometimes people can achieve good results through genetics, hard work, consistency, and sometimes steroids. Even if they’re not actually smart about training and nutrition. These are the broscience bodybuilders. I would put a lot of the globogym personal trainers in that category.
Sadly all the beginners who need this video wont find it. They are too busy copuingnthwir favourite influencer. I remember trying to copycchros jones beastmode type workouts as a beginner. Didnt get me very far! Tbf Chris himself doesnt necessarily say beginners should do this but if you are putting out that kind of content all the time, thats what your audience takes in. Also no one really defines what a beginner actually is. You can train 10 years and still be a beginner if you havent got your bench rep pr passed 100kg or your squat passed 140 or your deadlift passed 180. For all the memes, Startimg Strength was the nest thing I ever did for my training. After years of just chasing mycown tail tollowing nonsense fromcthe bodybuilding community I triee Starting Strength, and very quickly blew up. Repping 225 5x5, squatting 375x5, and deadlifting 430 x5. Only after stalling around these numbers did I have to change to intermediate programming.
I had a guy tell me he wouldn't listen to Huberman lab with Andy Gulpin unless he knows they're jacked, because he doesn't trust people who can't put it to practice. The irony of him talking about running sheiko was lost on him lol
Well said Omar. I feel like Nippards audience is a bit more bias to evidence based practitioners, though. If you asked a random person, they'll more often than not pick the biggest freakiest guy.
6:02 to 7:07 -- There! Right there! That's the main difference between bodybuilding and the rest of the sports/athletes! Because for bodybuilders/bodybuilding, the aesthetics/physique *is* the goal/end and not a means to an end, or a happy side effect, like it might be/is for so many other sports/athletes (incl. powerlifters, strongmen etc)! And, the genpop is interested in recreational lifting more for aesthetic/physique gains than for actual strength, power, performance, cardiopulmonary/cardiovascular gains... Hence, they get sucked into this he-looks-good-so-he-must-be-doing-something-right-so-his-advice-must-be-good bias/fallacy/illusion...which, of course the roided-up shysters (I'm looking at you GymShark et al!) misuse/abuse/take advantage of...
I think it’s best to assume you have good genetics and go from there. Why would i tell myself I’m preemptively not good at something! It ruins ppl mindset I see it all the time
Funny, but this is also a philosophical problem. There is a distinction in philosophy between knowing how and knowing that. Knowledge-that is knowledge of truths or facts whereas knowledge how is knowledge of “ways or methods of doing things”. There are some who reduce knowledge that to knowledge how (in fitness that would mean 100 % scientific approach) and there are also philosophers who say that knowledge how is not reducible to knowledge that (basically bro science).
If you aren't an expert than you can't judge what someone is saying just on the bases of *what* they are saying. That is the point. You can either use: 1) their personal results 2) the results of the people they coached 3) you can defer to "prestigious" degrees and displays of book knowledge Or a combination of both three. Out of those, number 3 is the least reliable given the state of science (poor quality of studies), and number 2 is the most reliable.
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Who do you follow in the fitness space & WHY do you follow them?
I’m gonna do some glazin’. Pause. YOU, Omar are a role model in this space, you bring the much needed combination of empiricism and rationalism back into fitness. I’ve been watching for almost 10 years now, shoutout to you surf clam
Yourself (though I've not been around in a while, Nippard, Cavilier, John meadows (rip) and because of the quality info.
I also watch people like Jujimufu for the fun of the content. He is always doing some fun stuff.
Alex Leonidas because he's the goat
dr. Mike Israetel from @RenaissancePeriodization He has very educational videos that actually MAKE SENSE :) very funny and covers everything
Dr. Mike Israetel's diet and fat loss videos helped me understand the biggest lesson one can learn which is "find what works for you" and learning to take will power out of the equation completely helped my understanding of eating healthy.
Everything is wrong with the fitness industry. And social media highlighted all of them. No one wants information they just want a caricature of what they think fitness is.
Is it though ? Especially in 2023 ? I feel like Omar in this video is complaining about past problems especially when it comes down to YT game. Most people who are top dogs in fitness game rn are very smart science based dude bro's who also look jacked as fuck. Sure in 2012-2015 there was rampant fake natty epidemic but right now i feel like most people who care about gym culture and fitness already know who is on shit and is full of shit and who isnt.
I think we need to be careful with speaking in absolutes like this. I get you're making a (valid) point but, using words like 'everyone' and 'no one' simply isn't true.
I know I'm being pedantic but I think it's an important point because viewing the world with black and white thinking skews our perception of reality.
Who you're talking about is a smaller number of people, mostly younger and/or novices but the people who actually take fitness seriously and have a few years of experience under their belt are looking for good information above all imo. Don't get me wrong, if someone has great information that passes the critical thinking questions that Omar raises in this, AND they have achieved great results themselves, that's the best combo for me.
I think after a certain amount of time spent on these online platforms, you do start to see through the bullshit. You start to understand who got their results through PEDs/pure genetic luck, and those who really know their shit. Just my 2 cents.
@@longdrums fr. Everything (except mine), No one (but me)
@@longdrumsI disagree with the 'smaller number of people'. Most of the people in fitness are either novices (and this category encompasses a many fitness levels) and young people who are getting into fitness. There is just a small possibility that upon deciding to hop on to fitness, it's the likes of Omar, Eric and Jeff you're going to encounter and listen to. It's either the bros in the gym, the gym instructor with bro knowledge and famous people in social media with shock and awe value that's going to be considered. Only along the way that when things are not going according to your expectation do you consider other people's opinion since your concern now become nuanced like from wanting to be big and ripped, now you're into how to recover properly, how to get stronger in this lift or how to manage injury. You start thinking critically about the methods and usually that does not happen on day 1.
Fuckin 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Don’t let Jeff’s Nipples distract you all from the fact that Omar has the best calves in RUclips fitness…
The strength coach I worked with for 9 years didn’t look too fit, but he was much stronger than average. He had the insane ability to remember literally everything he ever read/studied. He also did plenty of continuing education….💪🏼
The biggest, most jacked guys in all my gyms are by far the least intelligent and the least hard working of the people I encounter. But, they have their little illegal secrets that they inject into the situation to give them most of their look (but downplay just how much it affects their physique).
Rippetoe?!
i made the most gains of my life when i stopped obsessively trying to follow every piece of advice from science fitness youtube. Min maxing everything trying to make gain all the muscle possible and giving myself a hard time for missing out on anything. also the internal battle of trying to decide which contradicting information to listen to. This caused so much stress i ended up not being able to consistently workout. when i worked out alot more like a normie, but just kept at it i actually made significant progress.
I have my MS in ex Phys, and I concur. The reality is you are probably still training with an evidence based approach, but instead of expending mental energy on the science you’re doing it on the effort.
@@oncecursed1 hundred percent dude.
Even training sub optimally, you'll still get results. Just at a slightly slower pace. The difference between doing everything 100% perfect (which is impossible) and doing it 80% perfect is not going to be much
The issue with the fitness industrial complex
Stop calling everything an industrial complex.
Jacked J Eisenhower warned us of the dangers of the Fitness Industrial Complex.
@@epicvids9557I think the issue with the fitness industrial complex is caused by a combination of intense marketing from the sports supplement industrial complex, and uneducated consumers due to the failing education industrial complex in America.
😂😂😂 well done pal 👏👏
You used Dr. Eric Helms as an example, and I don't think your average viewer truly grasps just how intelligent and brilliant of a mind Helms is when it comes to exercise science. Truly one of the brightest in the fitness industry.
I have quite a few problems with being too "science-based", because that implies the evidence we have in fitness is high quality and generalizable, which in a lot of cases, it isn't. While sometimes it's too granular to get into within a short form video, a skilled communicator will break down all research the same way and try to distill into take home points (Greg Nuckols email newsletter comes to mind).
In fitness, when compared to something like pharmacology, for example, experiential knowledge is very important. If you haven't trained yourself or trained a lot of athletes but know a lot of the research out there, I wouldn't follow you. The best fitness practitioners have both a handle on the evidence (and, more importantly, a critical view of the evidence and its shortcomings) and experiential knowledge.
There's too much variability in the human population to base fitness decisions on research papers done on 20 year old men with 3 years lifting experience over a short duration study, or on research done on single joint movements. The foundational principles are what matter. It's also important to note that humans are very versatile and malleable and can adapt to a variety of training styles, so people should be wary of anyone trying to sell them a training method as an "ideal."
Critical thinking and a scientific mindset are important, but the evidence in fitness is severely lacking overall, in my opinion.
Who do you recommend to follow
Also what do you think about uk bodybuilding scene? (Aj morris and co)
Absolutely agree. The appraisal and application of what science is available makes the coach/advisor, and the best ones do that in the light of their practical experience across subjects. You should try to find people who have a good mix and who will always note any limitations of a study they might use. If they are disseminating experiential findings that haven't been supported by any empirical evidence, they should also note that while giving solid reasons for why they believe it could help/work.
Spot on.
A great example is the "knee not over toes" bullshit squatting advice from people who have only learned training but didn't practice it, because it is completely wrong and felt unnatural to a lot of people (because it was). General knowledge is good but you need experience with individuals to know how to apply it to each case. Not everyone can do the same things in the same way.
@@robertmusil1107 Not sure what you mean about Knees over toes guy , he literally says if you can do this then here is a regression, till you get better & stronger, then do it this way. most people's anatomy is pretty much the same so most of what he says would apply to 99% , if it felt unnatural it may be because you need to do a regression, or just get used it, if a toddler can get into that position than its a natural position
I haven't really seen this channel before. This video was really amazing. The questions at 7:50 are REALLY REALLY useful to anyone, to open their eyes if they are trapped in the beginners cycle
8 years ago I started following Alan Thrall, never regretted for a single moment to this day. Hail to the untamed!!
The problem is not just the advice but the measuring tools. Strength, Speed and endurance are easily measurable. So you can tell pretty quickly if something works or not.
But measuring muscle growth is very complex and long.
I wish more channels spoke about that. Most channels say " try it " but they're not specific as to the best method to measure your progress.
Came for the fitness advice. Stayed for the bowling celly. Top notch as always, my friend!
Whats wrong with the fitness community is people arent willing to just TRY things! Its imposible to know what works for YOU the best, just give every modality an honest try and see if it sticks to you.
"find what works for you" is possibly the worst advice you can give, because it gives people.permissiom to go try any dumb workout instead of following proven systems. It also doesn't encourage people to learn what actually drives progress, it just encourages people to try things blindly.
@@Train_Eat_Rest_Repeat The thing is most exercises are not inherently bad. What OP is saying is that instead of going down with the fearmongering "upright rows will make your shoulders explode and cripple you" or "deadlifts are not optimal", you should try out exercises and see if you get gains or if they just are bad for you.
Upright row is a good example. Some people can not do upright rows because of the structure of their shoulder joints. That's not me though, I'm gladly doing them and getting some upper back + shoulder gains from them. Trying out exercises doesn't mean you don't research the exercise first.
@@Train_Eat_Rest_Repeat it does not mean any of that but sure.
There is that problem and on the opposite side of the spectrum there are the guys who try everything randomly and after a few months of lifting they can't understand why they are not progressing on anything. Too much changing with the variables and then they are whining on the internet and saying "I have poor leverages, poor genetics, fuck knows what".
The random dicking around is the biggest enemy of progress. Especially when they follow some guy who gives tips with titles like"this exercise makes you this and that".
@@Adamsfamily1990 if after trying "24 sets lf 5000 reps" like some PED users do and trying "a solid 2-4 sets lf 6-10 reps" you dont know whats best for you, theres trouble friend. I never said to randomly dick around. I said people should just TRY those things instead of mindlessly listening to other peoples opinions. Wanna see if HIT works? Try it! Upright rows fuck your shoulders? Try it! How many sets does X bodypart need to grow? Try it!
I think it is a difficult answer to give i will use myself as an example, i am born with a disloacted shoulder and all science im aware off have told me to not train heavy pressing movements. And ive done exactly the opposite of that, despite the fact that my shoulder is disloacted to the point it actually causes my muscle on the left shoulder to attach differently than it is supposed to ive still worked my way up to rep 315 on the bench and 225 1 RM OHP. And that was not through working in the trenches and as well reading everything i could get my hands on about the shoulder, and i know from experience that 2 sets that are somewhere between 80-92% load and then back off down to about 65% for 2 sets is what has produced some of the best gains ive ever seen. Yet there is no study that i am aware off that supports that type of training, similairy with cluster sets and use cluster sets in a similair way of having 2 heavy sets and 2 back off sets producing crazy gains. Personally id say both rather than just listen to 1 side, i find you get to be far more knowledgeable and holistic if you both work in the trenches and at the same time also read articales and research papers.
I remember answering that poll and my thinking at the time wasnt about wether someone is a string bing/ overweight. It was just the difficulty i have in respecting/ listening to someone in a specific space with no personal experience with it. Like someone that has read everything on driving stick doesnt mean they arent going to stall out/ burn the clutch.
I think positive results in coaching clients should be prioritized over either scientific knowledge or personal achievements. Studies can be flawed or missapplied. Personal achievement can be due to genetics, or due to hard work that was effective but could have been optimized, but success in coaching a large number of individuals shows that whatever they're doing works across a variety of people
Omar, I ordered some raskol shorts. How long before my quads are hunked up chonkies?
I was a bit dubious about all of this, until I noticed how buff Omar is and now it makes perfect sense.
where do I get that shirt?
The biggest question I ask when learning from an instructor in just about any field: "Are their students achieving optimal results?"
At the end of the day, that is what truly matters. There are athletes, investors, businessmen, etc who have achieved phenomenal results in their own lives but are very poor insturctors while there are coaches and instructors who haven't achieved their own success in a certain field, sport, or profession yet are the coaches to the best performers in the world as we see with coaches like Bill Belichek (head coach of the New England Patriots), Tiger Wood's long time golf instructor, boxing coaches and trainors, etc..
Look to their most senior students or players, are they where you strive to be??
Then a good coach is just those who take good genetic clients? Are you low iq?
What’s next, dentists judged on a rich neighborhood?
Exactly. Great point 👍
Just because a student is achieving optimal results doesn't necessarily mean he is training optimally
I remember a time at the gym and this big dude was benching next to me. He was benching something like 385 for sets of 10. I talked to him after and he said it was his first week back lifting after a year off. 🤦🏻♂️😂 yeah, genetics matter. Anyway yeah big then which you kind of talked about is watching for people who are super dogmatic and constantly say things like “never” and “always” and they never change their mind on anything.
I follow multiple people for different reasons. some for good information, some for entertainment. some for potential hints and tips but ultimately i take everything with a grain of salt as know some things whilst still 100% true might be applicable to me whilst others not.
Ive trained for decades so know pretty much what works for me and what doesn't, but also respect that with all things in life there is always room to learn more
Follow a variety of lifters with a variety of qualifications/experience. Instead of the differences, see what the commonalities among them are. That's where the magic is.
I agree Lord Juicy Pecs
I follow the lifter who has a 550 bench
@@James_vs_gravity you the real mvp
I do agree that if your goal is powerlifting then following somebody who has successfully coached a variety of other people in powerlifting is probably your best bet. But that is also probably an imperfect measurement. Like I'm sure Joey Franzo is a great coach and you aren't going to go wrong by working with him. But he's also in a unique situation where potential world champions are seeking him out (And deservedly so. I'm not trying to put him down.) so I don't think you can hold his record up against everybody else's. Also, coaches aren't necessarily influencers. They're working with people 1-on-1 and not necessarily making their experience widely available like an influencer.
Social media is just an imperfect information delivery mechanism and always will be.
Awesome video! Love these.
We built a society that runs on greed, and we made sure the entire fitness and supplement industries had absolutely no regulations... so the many people motivated solely by greed can say and do whatever they want and get away with it.
More government won't fix this.
"We built a society on greed" sounds just like "Capitalism creates inequality." Greed is far deeper and fundamental a problem to our species than a simple societal overlay, just like inequality is.
@@posthawk1393 Wrong - greed is closely tied to highly individualised social systems such as capitalism. There are plenty of examples of societies where greed is frowned upon and subject to exclusion. It is not an evolutionary trait, social bonding and cooperation is. And capitalism IS inequality - it is its foundation, make a profit from cutting the costs; pay as little as possible for resources, workers, distribution. And the world is a zero-sum game in terms of labour as well as ecologically. There's always someone paying the price for your conveniences.
@@TheDavveponken Inequality is closely tied to the human condition, and not the fault of capitalism. When they dig up the remains of our hunter gatherers, they often one man with all the gold. Do you really think the age of slavery, Autocracy, and serfdom was more equal? Regarding your so-call greedless societies: Are the societies you're referring to small groups of people with fewer than 150? Then yes, social relationships are different, but only because of the small number of people. Once a group grows larger than 150, social bonds weaken because we can't keep track of more than 150 people in our heads.
And you're completely delusional if you think labor is a zero sum game. I'm literally making $26 an hour to drive a forklift and unload trucks, providing me with a benefit while the owner likely makes a substantial profit as well. Where is the negative that equalizes my huge gain? There isn't one. Human beings are far wealthier than they've been at any point in human history (minus the wealth lost from the shut down). Explain the increase in average daily caloric intake, or how everyone has a computer, refrigerator, car, roof over their heads, freezer, internet, clothing, gaming consoles, toothbrushes, and the list goes on. It's not like people in third world countries are paying the price for this to equalize out the gain to zero sum. They're gaining as well. The whole world is rising up, and the biggest problem with that is that people like you aren't grateful for it and are too ignorant /brainwashed by Marxist economic theory to see the truth.
We're literally on the path to end hunger. I don't know what could possibly be a greater proof against zero sum economics than that.
@TheDavveponken lol dude you need to study other countries or at least skim the last 100 years of human history. Please do give some examples of people who started at the bottom in a socialist or communist society and worked their way out of poverty and created wealth for their family. CaPiTaLiSm BaD is such a braindead take.
growing up in the 90's was the best time no information overload just picking a routine following it and other bros sharing theirs we were testing them and guess what i still didn't make any gaines but still the best time
Wise words and great points! Kudos to you!
I think the relevance of age/maturity can't be overstated. In my 40's I've purchased 3 programs from Jeff which I interchange. He's earned my trust and they work for me. In my 20's I would have followed any jacked up moron offering advice (if YT had existed) and it may have worked as I was in my 20's.
Likewise in my 40's and glad I started my 'journey' before the internet through trial and error so know what works for me and what doesn't as in this information age and social media there is so much conflicting information and BS out there If I was younger and starting out Id most likely be doing everything wrong and being easily influenced by others every other week
I love this video format.
I think one thing that's missing is people actually talking about their own experiences or the experiences of others. Results are cool and all, but most people probably aren't looking to be top performers and just want to be healthier, stronger or better looking in some way. It's easy to determine success rates from lifting numbers and medal counts, but something like increasing general strength and mobility is harder to quantify.
I follow you!
Great content!!
The fitness industry started down hill when Omar stopped using PIE CHARTS
Thanks Omar, I always love to hear your thoughts!
I coach high school sports, and I think something a coaching mentor taught me about learning from other coaches/clinics applies. It is basically to take everything the coach/clinic in question says and teaches, and run it through a filter of what you know about principles of motor learning and what you know of the sport.
Applying that to fitness content: What are they saying? How does it mesh with established training principles and exercise physiology principles? Does it fit with ideas like specificity? Does the research they are citing actually say what they say? If it does, is the effect actually meaningful in a real world context?
And then there is also just the simple fact of knowing what a specific fitness content creator actually knows. For example, I don't go to Jeff Nipples for Olympic weightlifting advice.
I think a better way to phrase this question is "what do you know?" vs "what have you done?"
Both lifters and coaches have applied their knowledge in the real world, whereas PHDs and exercise scientists may not have in the context of strength training. I'm listening to the coaches/ lifters in that case every time.
I think Natural Hypertrophy's video on this subject was on point.
Subbed. Good stuff.
Listen to the advice of the knowledgeable most but watch those that inspire maybe before hitting the gym is what makes sense. Personally I've always followed the best powerlifters and bodybuilders alike following a sort of hybrid program.
Came for the info, stayed for the ad.
Omg! That commercial at the end! 😂😂
Jeff's polls also have built in bias of audience.
Also I love the guy who destroyed the comments with "If my oncologist who knows everything about cancer doesn't have stage 4 cancer and is beating it, I won't trust his advice" in the middle of all the comments excusing how you can't if you don't do it yourself. Same for engineers really. If they don't weld together a space rocket and fly to moon, or cast concrete to create a bridge, they're good for nothing.
whats really wrong in the fitness industry is content creators like omar isuf with impossible to achieve ass-chests. Giving false expectations to little timmy is really disgusting
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Omar has one of the most attainable physiques in the entire industry lol he has since he’s been around
A healthy level of skepticism is necessary in order to avoid being pulled in 1000 different directions. Especially with more and more AND MORE “influencers” trying to get their cut of the pie, what’s popular isn’t necessarily going to be what’s actually effective. 11:09
I follow you (obviously!), Jeff Nippard, Jeff from Athlean-X, Meg Squats, Cori from Redefining Strength and Alan Thrall because I respect the knowledge that you have about weightlifting and the great ability that each of you have to put together solid content, with a bit of humour.
I think we should add Jeremy ethier to that list :)
Athlean-X? Hasn't he been caught using fake plates?
Cut athlean x
Oh I saw that poll! Yeah, I thought it was a trick question of sorts. For example, what if you're coach is super experienced and knowledgeable but elderly? Happens all the time
In soprts like Cricket and Hockey, the best players almost never make good coaches.
Ok I had a friend talk shit about the personal trainers at his gym “you know if I hire a pt they better be fucking bigger than me. Like they’re all small” - he’s a natty and sits there taking advice from juiced out of their mind bodybuilders online.
So I said to him “okay… so you expect a sports coach to be better at the sport than their players? Or is it just their job and skill set to refine what the players do, to observe and correct their faults and use their knowledge to make them as good as possible? Do you think someone allstar player instantly knows how to train others, just because he’s the man in his field? Can he do better than a top tier coach who may have no athletic abilities, just because he’s better on the field?”
He still didn’t get it. I don’t think everyone needs a pt, but I think judging someone’s ability to train, instruct or teach you solely on their body is ridiculous. Not everyone wants to be jacked out of their mind… doesn’t mean they don’t understand how to get someone else there.
I've been training and competing in powerlifting for nearly 9 years, now. As a science-minded individual with a degree in mol biol and biomed sci, I gravitated towards folks like NIppard in the beginning, but the more years I get under my belt, the more I can spot the truth in certain little nuggets of info that only come from someone who has walked the walk (or been a successful coach) AND had the presence of mind to note practical phenomena that might not fall out of study data but which is still useful and evidenced in their career. I'm thinking of guys like Bromley and Alex Leonidas - they are not going to quote EMG study data at you like Nippard will. Bromley even jokes that he did that in his early career and now finds it cringey af.
I'm not saying people should swing all the way to the bro side, but it often turns out that stuff the bros figured out via their own experimentation ends up being supported once exercise science gets around to running the appropriate trial (and sometimes the latter is just never going to happen because there is no feasible study design that will be practical to recruit a decent sample size for). Definitely demand some level of solid reasoning and evidence for the claims people make, always, but don't automatically write off someone who might initially sound like they've fallen for the cognitive bias of thinking their own anecdotal experience must equate to evidence and can be applied to everyone. Sometimes it actually could be that, but sometimes it's stuff that has been noticed to work across a decent number of trainees and across years of trial and error - the details will count in figuring that out if you are a newbie, and if you are experienced, you will easily be able to discern what resonates with your own experience.
I thin kit's awesome we don't have to choose between people with just book smarts or just practical experience - most of the better RUclipsrs have both to varying degrees, and and differences in those degrees amongst individuals can yield good food for thought when figuring out what to apply to your own regime or program. I would also note that the number one person who has affected my lifting and how I go about it the most is my best mate who got me into lifting, got me into his gym and then provided a space to lift in when Covid closed it down, and then built us a gym at his house to use for free. He has also done all my programming, with input from me to tweak it. Having someone that intimate with your own training history, who will know how you respond to different training stimuli, what seems to aggravate problem areas/injuries, how long is the best taper for you, how you respond to different cutting plans, and what you enjoy, is worth its weight in gold, and something no RUclipsr can ever give you. I guess if you're not as lucky as I am to have someone like that as a friend, then a good coach is what you want.
I definitely feel what you’re saying. Joe defranco a popular strength and conditioning coach I follow incorporated heavy prowler pushes and pulls and found his guys ran lower 40 times from it. He did that years ago- when research was saying the opposite… fast forward 15 years later and the science “caught up” to what he was doing.
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Great comment. Especially with the regard to insights gained from experience and passed on as 'knowledge' rather than 'facts'.
When I look at pictures of the bodybuilding greats, these guys were all bigger than I will ever be by the time they were 17. Basing my ideas by following someone's results makes no sense because I don't have that structure. I've been lifting since I was 16 (50 now) and I've tried every program and diet, short of PED's, but I have the body of an endurance athlete.
Therefore, I read and listen to what various people suggest but I have to try it out and see what works best for me. Just because a genetically gifted hulk, on steroids, can train 6 days per week, doing dozens of sets doesn't mean that will work for me. I've learned the fundamentals but I'm tweaking frequency, volume, intensity, and rep ranges to make what little progress I can. Someone with a different physiology may find a different balance works better for them.
Trial and error seems to be a lost act these days it seems. I learned what works for myself much the same way before the internet (started at 15 and now 45) and heard so many times training advice given along the lines of "You should never do this.." by people who have never actually tried 'this'
Appreciate you forever.
I got most of my lifting knowledge from youtube. Majority of it comes from Dr.Mike Israetel, then Mike Van Wyck, then some other coaches like Hany or Milos. Despite all this, I listen to how my body reacts the most and just lifting and experience for yourself is how you learn the most imo. RUclips “influencers” are a little overrated in today’s day and age unfortunately.
Not a terrible format. Subscribed.
The issue is that ego lifting has become about strict form from random youtubers rather than lifting right and getting big.
Man, I miss the golden era of YT fitness days....You had Scooby, Hodgetwins, the rise of CT Fletcher, Elliot Hulse Strength Camp, Health4Thought, Pumpfitness. Now it just seems so oversaturated and filled with a bunch of carbon copies
Hany Rambod, nuff said. Knowledge and applied knowledge will trump someone who hit the genetic lottery every time. Don’t learn from easy gainers, learn from hard gainers who have overcome their limitations.
I personally am very drawn to the presenters that site scientific research and systematic reviews and clearly understand the gold standard of research studies. Their personal level of "jacked" doesn't weigh in much because I want to be able to take the evidence based advice and implement it into my lifestyle. It also gives me comfort because I don't feel a pressure to be like the jacked pros and just to be the best me, and I'm enjoying my results.
Read everything, try everything (within the bounds of food sense), keep what works, and trust yourself to figure out what works best.
Never judge a book by its cover
Lot of good points here.For me it has to be a combination of both.Anyone with an above average IQ can learn A LOT about training and nutrition by just reading but it is something else to actually walk the walk as well :-)
Dom Mazzetti.. most scientific lifting advices EVER !
great video thanks
Insane fitness industry standards aside, even in everyday life people are drawn to someone who appears more fit & attractive. Seems to be some innate bias in people in general, it’s good to be aware of this phenomenon for sure.
Funny thing is that in most sports this is not a problem. When you look at professional sports the coach could never achieve the performance their athletes do.
That's why my favorite is "house of hypertrophy". I have no idea how the person who does that looks, it's all about research, and conveyed through animations.
Ronnie at 2:04 had me crying over and over
Just like not everyone is a good teacher, not everyone is a good strength trainer or coach. A good trainer has seen a lot of different body types, physical abilities and difference responses to programming and is a lot more likely to give helpful advice for a particular individual. I've found Alan Thrall and Barbell Medicine to both be really good sources of general information on strength training.
That Illuminatty shirt is amazing, wish I was swole enough to pull that off.
I AM THE FITNESS INDUSTRY
Those with a great physique I find get very little credence. There's many "incorrect" ways to skin the proverbial cat. Having a body of people who have been trained in a similar way, with similar results, I think is a lot more important, especially when it can be explained both from the body of data we have *and* from first principles. The post-nominals carry no weight (pardon the pun) in either circumstance
Like, Frank Medrano has my ideal physique and favors calisthenics like I do - but his training guidance is subpar. 🤷🏿♂️
I mostly focus instead on folks actively doing or following exercise science like Mike Israetel, Eric Helms, Jeff Nippard, and PictureFIT (who I've bever even seen). I also pay attention to folks who just have solid philosophies like Red Delta Project, Joe Delaney, FitnessFAQs, and Omar.
You had to dig in the archives for the crying meme & I wouldn't have it any other way 😂
Amazing content, as always, Mr. Oh Bart Is Suss
I listen to 1) people who have years of experience coaching others and finding what works 2) degrees in the field 3) people who have found individual success. In that order
The irony of getting a Vshred ad before this video…
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The problem is, why do people think they have to follow anyone
“Genetics” a lot of influencers out there who give advice and sell products use gear and are selling “similar results” using their program but won’t because the average person isn’t going to go on a year long cycle.
Anyone remember mike Chang? Good old days
I’m turning 30 soon so I’m interested in following more longevity specialists. And you kinda have to be “old and still in shape” for me to give you credit haha. I’ll listen to what a 20 year old says about longevity, but with less than half a grain of salt.
It's understandable, but it's quite possible for a 65yo who is ripped to give you a bunch of advice you think is legit and then die early the following year because he's been blasting various gear since he was your age. Of course, you can't wait until you're 80 to see who lived the longest, healthiest lives out of the cohort of influencers and podcasters we have now, so what you want to do is look for those who present both well-supported evidence-based info AND who seem to be benefitting from what they preach.
In this space I would recommend Peter Attia. And as someone who is about to be 44 and competes in masters powerlifting with folks aged into their 70s, don't listen to anyone who tells you going heavy as you get older is dangerous or not "healthy".
@contingencyibct3120fr dude acting like he’s turning 45 lmao
There's a curiously counterintuitive aspect to this too; if you follow advice from pros, you're going to get advice for pros. But are you a pro? If not, why are you listening to pros? It would be like me asking a formula 1 driver for tips on passing my driving test. On first glance it totally makes sense to ask the top tier atheletes/drivers, after all surely they know everything? But in fact, their whole context is so different to what you as a noob/intermediate/casual person needs, that it actually can be counterproductive to follow them for advice, in my opinion.
Would you take advice from somebody with no calves?
A more realistic issue that the one Jeff pointed out is the opposite: listening to someone who has no idea what he’s talking about just because he’s jacked. Sometimes people can achieve good results through genetics, hard work, consistency, and sometimes steroids. Even if they’re not actually smart about training and nutrition. These are the broscience bodybuilders. I would put a lot of the globogym personal trainers in that category.
Sadly all the beginners who need this video wont find it. They are too busy copuingnthwir favourite influencer. I remember trying to copycchros jones beastmode type workouts as a beginner. Didnt get me very far! Tbf Chris himself doesnt necessarily say beginners should do this but if you are putting out that kind of content all the time, thats what your audience takes in. Also no one really defines what a beginner actually is. You can train 10 years and still be a beginner if you havent got your bench rep pr passed 100kg or your squat passed 140 or your deadlift passed 180. For all the memes, Startimg Strength was the nest thing I ever did for my training.
After years of just chasing mycown tail tollowing nonsense fromcthe bodybuilding community I triee Starting Strength, and very quickly blew up. Repping 225 5x5, squatting 375x5, and deadlifting 430 x5. Only after stalling around these numbers did I have to change to intermediate programming.
But why not both! Those coaches like Eric Helms also walk the walk. And isn't it best when your coach knows both sides
Dr. Mike Israetel of Renaissance periodization is who I follow. Jonni Shreve is pretty good too
I was watching Kardashian'a documentary last night.
And I realised all fitness sellouts are similar to men what is Kardashians for women.
I had a guy tell me he wouldn't listen to Huberman lab with Andy Gulpin unless he knows they're jacked, because he doesn't trust people who can't put it to practice.
The irony of him talking about running sheiko was lost on him lol
wasn't expecting to see pete weber in here, omar is a secret bowling enjoyer?
Does Eric actually conduced research studies or just write papers and collect surveys?
Well said Omar. I feel like Nippards audience is a bit more bias to evidence based practitioners, though. If you asked a random person, they'll more often than not pick the biggest freakiest guy.
6:02 to 7:07 -- There! Right there! That's the main difference between bodybuilding and the rest of the sports/athletes! Because for bodybuilders/bodybuilding, the aesthetics/physique *is* the goal/end and not a means to an end, or a happy side effect, like it might be/is for so many other sports/athletes (incl. powerlifters, strongmen etc)!
And, the genpop is interested in recreational lifting more for aesthetic/physique gains than for actual strength, power, performance, cardiopulmonary/cardiovascular gains...
Hence, they get sucked into this he-looks-good-so-he-must-be-doing-something-right-so-his-advice-must-be-good bias/fallacy/illusion...which, of course the roided-up shysters (I'm looking at you GymShark et al!) misuse/abuse/take advantage of...
I think it’s best to assume you have good genetics and go from there. Why would i tell myself I’m preemptively not good at something! It ruins ppl mindset I see it all the time
It amazes me how after a decade the industry just got dumber
Funny, but this is also a philosophical problem. There is a distinction in philosophy between knowing how and knowing that. Knowledge-that is knowledge of truths or facts whereas knowledge how is knowledge of “ways or methods of doing things”. There are some who reduce knowledge that to knowledge how (in fitness that would mean 100 % scientific approach) and there are also philosophers who say that knowledge how is not reducible to knowledge that (basically bro science).
If you aren't an expert than you can't judge what someone is saying just on the bases of *what* they are saying. That is the point. You can either use:
1) their personal results
2) the results of the people they coached
3) you can defer to "prestigious" degrees and displays of book knowledge
Or a combination of both three. Out of those, number 3 is the least reliable given the state of science (poor quality of studies), and number 2 is the most reliable.
I think NH covered this topic perfectly
Nice slim lil waist
The “do you even lift, bro?” paradox
Scary that this type of video is needed. Good video thou…
I follow some people because they know things, some people because they're fun to watch and others because they're a bit of both.