I haven't been there for years...I've driven around and through Tassie a few times - the only place I know of, with such rich history, and with (some) remnants still in place from the past. Amazing how far back 'toll roads' go!
I've spent 20 years in Mt Nelson and more recently 9 years in South Hobart, shopped at Sandy Bay Woolies that whole time. I've gigged at the Mayfair, Trav's, the Caz, and Nickelby's. 3 of my kids have done the Mt Nelson Primary/Taroona HS/Hobart College/UTAS journey through education. Both my wife and I have studied at UTAS. Sandy Bay has been at the heart of all this.
Thought i'd add a couple of extra facts... Nutgrove Beach was once used for horse racing and the rock beach near Blinking Billy Point was used my sea smugglers to drop goods to avoid tax at the wharf in town.
The…‘architecture’…of the Sandy Bay campus is a fairly good example of a very modest scaled version of what’s known as ‘ Brutalism ‘. Frowning upon ornamentation, any nods to symbolism,..plenty of exposed concrete,..very much an an adherent to the ‘ form follows function ‘ decrees of the Bahaus & Le Corbussier.
This is my locality now, even saw my home fleetingly. Good to understand more about it. The University is a conundrum, buildings are one thing but the vitality of its intellectual life and purpose are equally challenged by more than 30 years of well meaning blunders.
I was a member of the university surf club, we never went to the beach once, it was a drinking club funded by the university. The rules were changed and grant funds were not allowed to be spent on alcohol so we made home brew instead, having a few chemistry students as members helped. Funny thing was, I have never attended a university in my life.
My great, great, great grandfather Thomas Lucas was the first land owner at Browns Rivulet which extended right up to Sandy bay, only his house remains now at Kingston beach golf course
My old stamping ground, covered pretty much every inch of it on foot as a kid and then lived in various parts of it while attending Uni, including a stint working at Nickelby's during it's dying throes. Another great video Angus, it's very nostalgic to watch these from Canada, thank you.
I grew up in South Hobart in the 1960's . In the summer my brother and I would catch the bus to Sandy Bay beach for the day. As I have now lived in Darwin for the last 40 years I can't imagine swimming in Tasmanian waters now
I had a quick dip at Long Beach on a 40 C day in Feb 2020, my goodness the water was icy even then!!! As a NZer accustomed to 18-21 C summer water temperatures I was shocked how cold the water was, lol!
@@angusthornett I agree with @mcrazza. It's a very old established surname belonging to a family of great wealth in the UK. The Duke of Westminster family name and is pronounced as per the original commenter. This is consistent with the other street names in Sandy Bay, e.g. Duke, Lord etc. There is a connection.
Angus, you should really consider running history walks/talks for tourists! Your knowledge and presentation is a pure joy to watch......I'm sure lots of us would happily pay to be shown the history of Tasmania!
I grew up in Hobart, leaving at age 25 and residing in Sydney for over 30 years. Needless to say, my appreciation for the beauty, history, flora and fauna was almost absent. Returning has created a whole new me - this all so familiar yet so much more incredible place. I am actually consuming a lot of tourist videos and feeling as newly enamoured by Tasmania as the first timers. This channel is absolutely entrancing me at the moment. I am learning things I have never known, watching and listening to a fabulous and captivating person who is so much more than a host or narrator. Your voice, your manner of speaking and your style of presentation is as compelling as the stories you are telling. This is unique. The passion for the history and the telling of it is palpable. The drone footage and the quality of the videography, the skilful capturing of the sites and scenery. You and your little darling pooch popping up in seemingly inaccessible spots in an Attenborough-esque manner. Absolutely brilliant and much appreciated.
Totally agree the residents of Sandy Bay do not own the University…. But the drama and contention continues. Let’s just hope that the final outcome is the best for the future scholars of UTAS.
I knew Grosvenor Street, Star Street and Fitzroy Park very well as a kid. Sandy Bay is a gorgeous suburb, as property prices reflect. I remember the plan to build an elevated road network, which thankfully died. I remember hearing the Mt StCanice laundry boiler explosion too, which killed a classmate of mine. RIP Terry Ratcliffe.
I remember the explosion vividly as well. It must have been an almighty mess as we were in Taroona and the whole house shook even though we were at least 4 or 5 kilometres from the site with Mount Nelson in between.
Nutgrove Beach is also a new name - whole thing was Long Beach until the seawall was built. Hope to see you highlight the erosion of the beaches and the foreshore, kreewer and the spotted handfish in the next one! Also the Riviera Hotel / Wrest Point and the baths at Marieville Esplanade. Some great history. Thanks Angus
Again, memories! Although the scenes I saw both on Terra Firma but also via the drone the aerial scenes were excellent. So much has changed, and yet so much is as I remember it! Well done, young man. Well done!
My Nan grew up in 'The Bay' and would often recall stories from her childhood; the rivulet featured on some occasions. You got me a good one when the rivulet was mentioned toward the beginning. Will never forget - love you Nan. P.s. Thanks for all your fantastic videos Angus. From this 'Bush Rat'. IYKYN
Thanks Angus, another super interesting and informative video! It's always a treat when you upload a new Tasmanian history class 👍 The dog is perfect as usual 🙂
Love seeing the old images and getting a sense of what life might have like. Interesting to find out a bit more about some of the longer older story of Sandy Bay.
Great research Angus. Sandy Bay has a lot of interesting history. I liked your other videos about Mt St Canice and Charles Darwin's visit. I look forward to the rest of this series. Good Job Thanks.
Thanks, Angus, for another excellent video. Could you imagine destroying Fitzroy Place? One of the prettiest streets in Hobart. I’m of two minds about what’s happening in universities. Our local university is in its own suburb, yet, it has outreach posts in various regional cities. It has facilities within the hospital precinct, but, like UTAS, is migrating into the CBD (with the help of government money). Most courses are available on line, except for proper science, engineering, etc, yet the uni seems to be ever expanding. Anyhoo, my musings problem don’t help.
Excellent Angus as always and thank you for your sensible and accurately framed description of the University relocation back to the city. The dog was looking particularly heroic perched upon that water trough. Any chance we could reinstate the toll gate ?
Iam a hobartion from the 1950 and left there when I was 20 years old and still regard Hobart as my home town and my other twin lives in Berlin my neck scare has completely healed and only people in the southern part of Hobart know what iam talking about,only sip on cascade beer not that horrid boags beer take care my brothers ❤
I’d love to see a video on the golf link estate. Went from the top of proctors road all the way down to Sandy bay road. Lord, view, York and duke street were the fairways I believe, which is why they’re all lined with trees down the whole road. Was the longest fairway in the world at one point. Pretty sure the yellow cottage on lord street is the original clubhouse but not sure on this.
Man, I'm loving your channel; I stumbled across the ep about the old road through Mt Stuart & Lenah Valley so I dug a little deeper and came to this series about where I grew up. Really well done stuff but I have one little gripe... Grosvenor St is pronounced Grove-ner. Otherwise, a really fascinating lesson. Thanks Angus!
Good job mate. I feel compelled to purchase a small dog and 80s warm up tracksuit, all the while having a deeper knowlegde of where my grandad likely learned to use a rifle.
4:09 Is Grosvenor REALLY pronounced like that in Tasmania? Everywhere else in the world I've been (Sydney, UK, US, Canada), it's pronounced "Growvnah". The S is silent.
@@angusthornett Then it morphed into the current pronunciation (not yours) over a thousand years ago with the aristocratic Grosvenor family in the UK. It's a very old established surname belonging to a family of great wealth in the UK. It's The Duke of Westminster family name and is pronounced as per the original commenter. This is consistent with the other street names in Sandy Bay, e.g. Duke, Lord etc. There is a connection. 😄
watching with joy from NZ. 👍 I used to live in Dynnyrne, so lots of walks on Nutgrove & Long beaches. I was living in Hobart at the time the Uni was being moved to the CBD - and it seemed strange and unnecessary. Surely the Uni needs the room for expansion that Sandy Bay provides???
Having witnessed the demiae of Fremantle in WA when a university moved in, it showed the impact of poor planning and the destruction of small businesses and influx of short term student housing has on a previously active urban area. Already the impact of UTAS on Hobart has been to the detriment of small independent businesses and longer term residents of Hobart. I get free enterprise but it will come at a cost not just to Sandy Bay but also to Hobart.
Very hard to get my head around the UTAS at Sandy Bay debate (being from Launceston) The uni's move up here from Newnham to closer to town certainly doesn't draw as much ire. Most have embraced it, or simply don't care. I feel like the Hobart move is only an issue for those who are very near to the existing site. Why has it got so much attention?
Part of the reason is that it is already in an equivalent Invermay like position and it was proposed to be moves to lots of different locations over Hobart and not on a 'campus' any more.
You have precisely hit the nail on the head. Entirely whipped into high dudgeon by resident Nimbys who don't want the area developed into extra housing which would have to also include housing for lower socio-economic types. The University should be allowed to decide what is right for the continued development and efficiency of the University and not be sidetracked by others consumed by self interest. The strategy was very poorly communicated by the Uni leadership IMHP.
Thanks for making and sharing these videos. 😊👍 How do you fair navigating the drone use regulations and other rules on content creation on crown land? I saw another Tasmanian Gold fossicker on RUclips being called in for a chat with Parks and Wildlife and threatened with fines for doing what he thought was ok to do.
I find the anti-UTAS move arguments unconvincing, and I think you're right there's a whiff of anti-mixed use housing snobbery underneath the flimsy arguments around parking in the CBD. As a staff member I have view which is more to do with the concern about the research capabilities of a new build, especially with no federal government money to complete the builds.
I’m personally against it due to the lack of foresight. UTAS claims they want to add 2500 new homes to the area. That’s fine, except they’re not adding any parking whatsoever. I’m in Sandy bay and have people constantly parking over my driveway. 2500 extra homes means a potential 5,000 extra cars. UTAS has the idea that everyone will walk and ride bikes. But unless there is hundreds of millions spent on infrastructure to support this, as well as a 24/7 public transport system that can take people everywhere in the greater Hobart region (eastern shore, Brighton, Sorell, etc). I just can’t see it working. Then there’s the issue of UTAS taking over the city, which has already proven to have driven out many businesses.
Toorak has dropped several notches in status. While it's still one of the posher suburbs in Melbourne, not that many of "the establishment" still live there. Instead it is reputed to full of ... (shock) ... "new money" !!!
Whilst I'm unfamiliar with the arguments for and against the move to the city, my view is that not all change is progress. The uni contributes to the community and life of SB and provides valuable open space.
I been binging your Chanel the last few day's. I've learnt more about the history of hobart than i ever did in school 40 years ago. Could you please do an episode of goodwood and prince of whales bay etc . My old stomping ground 👍
What do you think of Sandy Bay?
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It must of been a amazing place , reading knopwoods diaries gives some insight into the beauty and bounties of tasmania
Used to spend a lot of time fishing off the dilapidated jetty at Nutgrove as a young fella. There was a lot of sand on that beach back in the day.
After looking on the map I think it was Long Beach but for some reason we used to call it Nutgrove.
I haven't been there for years...I've driven around and through Tassie a few times - the only place I know of, with such rich history, and with (some) remnants still in place from the past. Amazing how far back 'toll roads' go!
loved how you blended together the bullet story and the university.
I've spent 20 years in Mt Nelson and more recently 9 years in South Hobart, shopped at Sandy Bay Woolies that whole time. I've gigged at the Mayfair, Trav's, the Caz, and Nickelby's. 3 of my kids have done the Mt Nelson Primary/Taroona HS/Hobart College/UTAS journey through education. Both my wife and I have studied at UTAS. Sandy Bay has been at the heart of all this.
Top drone footage.
Thought i'd add a couple of extra facts... Nutgrove Beach was once used for horse racing and the rock beach near Blinking Billy Point was used my sea smugglers to drop goods to avoid tax at the wharf in town.
Stay tuned for coming episodes.
The…‘architecture’…of the Sandy Bay campus is a fairly good example of a very modest scaled version of what’s known as ‘ Brutalism ‘. Frowning upon ornamentation, any nods to symbolism,..plenty of exposed concrete,..very much an an adherent to the ‘ form follows function ‘ decrees of the Bahaus & Le Corbussier.
This is my locality now, even saw my home fleetingly. Good to understand more about it. The University is a conundrum, buildings are one thing but the vitality of its intellectual life and purpose are equally challenged by more than 30 years of well meaning blunders.
Sandy Bay was a fun place to grow up in. The university was my skateboarding park.
I was a member of the university surf club, we never went to the beach once, it was a drinking club funded by the university. The rules were changed and grant funds were not allowed to be spent on alcohol so we made home brew instead, having a few chemistry students as members helped. Funny thing was, I have never attended a university in my life.
We LOVE Sandy Bay! Such a peaceful neighbourhood, my favourite suburb in the whole country & we’ve been almost everywhere.
It is a peaceful place for the most part.
My great, great, great grandfather Thomas Lucas was the first land owner at Browns Rivulet which extended right up to Sandy bay, only his house remains now at Kingston beach golf course
Excellent mate, as a resident of Battery Point it's cool to see streets I walk down, and things I pass every day, in a more clear context.
My old stamping ground, covered pretty much every inch of it on foot as a kid and then lived in various parts of it while attending Uni, including a stint working at Nickelby's during it's dying throes. Another great video Angus, it's very nostalgic to watch these from Canada, thank you.
I grew up in South Hobart in the 1960's . In the summer my brother and I would catch the bus to Sandy Bay beach for the day. As I have now lived in Darwin for the last 40 years I can't imagine swimming in Tasmanian waters now
I had a quick dip at Long Beach on a 40 C day in Feb 2020, my goodness the water was icy even then!!! As a NZer accustomed to 18-21 C summer water temperatures I was shocked how cold the water was, lol!
4:12 It’s pronounced “grovener”. 😊
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@@angusthornett I agree with @mcrazza. It's a very old established surname belonging to a family of great wealth in the UK. The Duke of Westminster family name and is pronounced as per the original commenter. This is consistent with the other street names in Sandy Bay, e.g. Duke, Lord etc. There is a connection.
Angus, you should really consider running history walks/talks for tourists! Your knowledge and presentation is a pure joy to watch......I'm sure lots of us would happily pay to be shown the history of Tasmania!
The videos are better
Brings back memories of my Uni days at UTAS
I grew up in Hobart, leaving at age 25 and residing in Sydney for over 30 years. Needless to say, my appreciation for the beauty, history, flora and fauna was almost absent. Returning has created a whole new me - this all so familiar yet so much more incredible place. I am actually consuming a lot of tourist videos and feeling as newly enamoured by Tasmania as the first timers. This channel is absolutely entrancing me at the moment. I am learning things I have never known, watching and listening to a fabulous and captivating person who is so much more than a host or narrator. Your voice, your manner of speaking and your style of presentation is as compelling as the stories you are telling. This is unique. The passion for the history and the telling of it is palpable. The drone footage and the quality of the videography, the skilful capturing of the sites and scenery. You and your little darling pooch popping up in seemingly inaccessible spots in an Attenborough-esque manner. Absolutely brilliant and much appreciated.
Thank you. It’s good to see viewers geographically outside of Hobart seeing the channel. Hopefully it can grow to a more sustainable level this year.
Totally agree the residents of Sandy Bay do not own the University…. But the drama and contention continues. Let’s just hope that the final outcome is the best for the future scholars of UTAS.
I knew Grosvenor Street, Star Street and Fitzroy Park very well as a kid. Sandy Bay is a gorgeous suburb, as property prices reflect. I remember the plan to build an elevated road network, which thankfully died. I remember hearing the Mt StCanice laundry boiler explosion too, which killed a classmate of mine. RIP Terry Ratcliffe.
I remember the explosion vividly as well. It must have been an almighty mess as we were in Taroona and the whole house shook even though we were at least 4 or 5 kilometres from the site with Mount Nelson in between.
Nutgrove Beach is also a new name - whole thing was Long Beach until the seawall was built. Hope to see you highlight the erosion of the beaches and the foreshore, kreewer and the spotted handfish in the next one! Also the Riviera Hotel / Wrest Point and the baths at Marieville Esplanade. Some great history. Thanks Angus
Again, memories! Although the scenes I saw both on Terra Firma but also via the drone the aerial scenes were excellent. So much has changed, and yet so much is as I remember it!
Well done, young man. Well done!
Clay mined from "Whitewater" at Kingston was used to make bricks for some of the University Campus building in Sandy Bay.
Very interesting. Wonderful to see all the old photos, too.
Glad you enjoyed it.
My Nan grew up in 'The Bay' and would often recall stories from her childhood; the rivulet featured on some occasions.
You got me a good one when the rivulet was mentioned toward the beginning.
Will never forget - love you Nan.
P.s. Thanks for all your fantastic videos Angus. From this 'Bush Rat'. IYKYN
Thanks Angus, another super interesting and informative video!
It's always a treat when you upload a new Tasmanian history class 👍
The dog is perfect as usual 🙂
Love seeing the old images and getting a sense of what life might have like. Interesting to find out a bit more about some of the longer older story of Sandy Bay.
Great research Angus. Sandy Bay has a lot of interesting history. I liked your other videos about Mt St Canice and Charles Darwin's visit. I look forward to the rest of this series. Good Job Thanks.
Sandy bay...beautiful place.i'm lucky can stay there last year...
Love Sandy Bay. Thanks again for your history lesson
Thanks, Angus, for another excellent video. Could you imagine destroying Fitzroy Place? One of the prettiest streets in Hobart. I’m of two minds about what’s happening in universities. Our local university is in its own suburb, yet, it has outreach posts in various regional cities. It has facilities within the hospital precinct, but, like UTAS, is migrating into the CBD (with the help of government money). Most courses are available on line, except for proper science, engineering, etc, yet the uni seems to be ever expanding. Anyhoo, my musings problem don’t help.
Great drone footage!
Fascinating! Thanks Angus.
Really looking forward to this series. Cheers Angus & The Dog.
Cheers, Nick
Excellent Angus as always and thank you for your sensible and accurately framed description of the University relocation back to the city. The dog was looking particularly heroic perched upon that water trough. Any chance we could reinstate the toll gate ?
I’ll be setting up my own personal boom.
The pic of the traffic study at 3:46 showing a stadium(?) just down the hill from the Cenotaph was a surprise! 😮
That was actually part of the old train station.
@@angusthornett I live and learn - thanks again!!
Another brilliant episode
Iam a hobartion from the 1950 and left there when I was 20 years old and still regard Hobart as my home town and my other twin lives in Berlin my neck scare has completely healed and only people in the southern part of Hobart know what iam talking about,only sip on cascade beer not that horrid boags beer take care my brothers ❤
Enjoy your words and presentation. Your research is admired. 😊
Former King St resident when I worked for Trust Bank Tasmania 👋👍 played a few AFL games for Uni too
I’ve enjoyed your videos. I’m Australian but don’t really know anything about Hobart.
Thanks, mate. Glad you’ve enjoyed the channel.
Used to explore the rivulet from the Shell petrol station to Marieville Esplanade
I love Sandy Bay. I hate to think your rainfall has been as bad as us in the Clare Valley of SA. We’ve had only 18mm in four months.
Top class as usual, well researched and beautifully presented.
Thanks Doug
I’d love to see a video on the golf link estate. Went from the top of proctors road all the way down to Sandy bay road. Lord, view, York and duke street were the fairways I believe, which is why they’re all lined with trees down the whole road. Was the longest fairway in the world at one point.
Pretty sure the yellow cottage on lord street is the original clubhouse but not sure on this.
Do you know the exact address of this yellow cottage?
@@angusthornett 34 lord street. The whole house was renoe’d a few years ago but they kept the fascia.
@nicholasgunson2945 thanks
Man, I'm loving your channel; I stumbled across the ep about the old road through Mt Stuart & Lenah Valley so I dug a little deeper and came to this series about where I grew up. Really well done stuff but I have one little gripe... Grosvenor St is pronounced Grove-ner. Otherwise, a really fascinating lesson. Thanks Angus!
Excellent work with thoughtful narration.
Awesome
Good job mate. I feel compelled to purchase a small dog and 80s warm up tracksuit, all the while having a deeper knowlegde of where my grandad likely learned to use a rifle.
Taste maker
4:09 Is Grosvenor REALLY pronounced like that in Tasmania?
Everywhere else in the world I've been (Sydney, UK, US, Canada), it's pronounced "Growvnah". The S is silent.
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@@angusthornett Yeah the only Speaker saying it that way being you Angus 🤣
@@andybarker5552 Grosvenor is an Old French word. Originally pronounced phonetically. It means great or master hunter. From the Latin grossus.
@@angusthornett Then it morphed into the current pronunciation (not yours) over a thousand years ago with the aristocratic Grosvenor family in the UK. It's a very old established surname belonging to a family of great wealth in the UK. It's The Duke of Westminster family name and is pronounced as per the original commenter. This is consistent with the other street names in Sandy Bay, e.g. Duke, Lord etc. There is a connection. 😄
@@Salutimondo Yep
watching with joy from NZ. 👍 I used to live in Dynnyrne, so lots of walks on Nutgrove & Long beaches. I was living in Hobart at the time the Uni was being moved to the CBD - and it seemed strange and unnecessary. Surely the Uni needs the room for expansion that Sandy Bay provides???
Brilliant again ✅
Thank you Jade
Love your videos what’s the dogs name :)
Harry
Having witnessed the demiae of Fremantle in WA when a university moved in, it showed the impact of poor planning and the destruction of small businesses and influx of short term student housing has on a previously active urban area. Already the impact of UTAS on Hobart has been to the detriment of small independent businesses and longer term residents of Hobart. I get free enterprise but it will come at a cost not just to Sandy Bay but also to Hobart.
I think it's pronounced "grow-v-ner" Street
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@@angusthornett Hahaha
I must admit, I clutched my pearls when Angus pronounced 'Grovernor st' 😂
Haha so did I.
Very hard to get my head around the UTAS at Sandy Bay debate (being from Launceston) The uni's move up here from Newnham to closer to town certainly doesn't draw as much ire. Most have embraced it, or simply don't care. I feel like the Hobart move is only an issue for those who are very near to the existing site. Why has it got so much attention?
Part of the reason is that it is already in an equivalent Invermay like position and it was proposed to be moves to lots of different locations over Hobart and not on a 'campus' any more.
You have precisely hit the nail on the head. Entirely whipped into high dudgeon by resident Nimbys who don't want the area developed into extra housing which would have to also include housing for lower socio-economic types. The University should be allowed to decide what is right for the continued development and efficiency of the University and not be sidetracked by others consumed by self interest. The strategy was very poorly communicated by the Uni leadership IMHP.
Ahh, the mention of Nickleby’s takes me back! 🤣
Peak drinking experience
Why doesn’t Sandy Bay have op shops? What is their deal? It’s the only suburb of Hobart with a shopping strip that doesn’t..
I’d assume rental prices.
Did you upgrade drone? Footage is amazing!
Yes. Skills improved too. It was quite hard to capture because the weather needed to be perfect.
@@angusthornett Lucky for you it doesn't rain anymore in Tasmania.
Apparently, it is now called Sandy Beijing
Thanks for making and sharing these videos. 😊👍
How do you fair navigating the drone use regulations and other rules on content creation on crown land? I saw another Tasmanian Gold fossicker on RUclips being called in for a chat with Parks and Wildlife and threatened with fines for doing what he thought was ok to do.
Glad you liked it.
i passed out on that field too 🧙♂
Imagine if that motorway was built down what looks like Brisbane street and we still kept the train station.
Yeah, Hobart could have been different in a thousand ways.
I find the anti-UTAS move arguments unconvincing, and I think you're right there's a whiff of anti-mixed use housing snobbery underneath the flimsy arguments around parking in the CBD.
As a staff member I have view which is more to do with the concern about the research capabilities of a new build, especially with no federal government money to complete the builds.
I’m personally against it due to the lack of foresight. UTAS claims they want to add 2500 new homes to the area. That’s fine, except they’re not adding any parking whatsoever.
I’m in Sandy bay and have people constantly parking over my driveway. 2500 extra homes means a potential 5,000 extra cars. UTAS has the idea that everyone will walk and ride bikes. But unless there is hundreds of millions spent on infrastructure to support this, as well as a 24/7 public transport system that can take people everywhere in the greater Hobart region (eastern shore, Brighton, Sorell, etc). I just can’t see it working.
Then there’s the issue of UTAS taking over the city, which has already proven to have driven out many businesses.
@@nicholasgunson2945 NIMBY alert...
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The toorack of Tasmania
Toorak has dropped several notches in status. While it's still one of the posher suburbs in Melbourne, not that many of "the establishment" still live there. Instead it is reputed to full of ... (shock) ... "new money" !!!
The Bay of Sands :)
Whilst I'm unfamiliar with the arguments for and against the move to the city, my view is that not all change is progress. The uni contributes to the community and life of SB and provides valuable open space.
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Grosvenor Street is pronouned "Grow-venor"
So are you suggesting that the friend of a friend passed out on the UTAS field was shot in the hand by a ghost of the past?
Ghosts aren’t real
its pronounced Grove ner
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I been binging your Chanel the last few day's. I've learnt more about the history of hobart than i ever did in school 40 years ago. Could you please do an episode of goodwood and prince of whales bay etc . My old stomping ground 👍
In the future perhaps
Did you mean he had a live/unfired bullet in his hand or he was shot in the hand ?