Thanks for that information. I'm getting ready to purchase a Massdam rope puller to do some tree work on some property I bought in New Hampshire. I have a couple trees I want to tie off and add some pull for added safety reasons and to help with lean. This is a good point you make and I have not seen anyone else in any videos about this puller mention this. So you are the first person that has addressed this that I know of. I like to research the use of a tool or process as much as possible before I actually get into it in a real scenario. Thanks again and as they say in the sports fishing world "Tight lines". Seems appropriate in this case.
To avoid the problem might I suggest that as the tree starts moving, you go and tap the wedges snugly. Then pull and go back to banging the wedges. I believe this would prevent the tree coming back if some slack appears in the pulling rope. The slack is compensated by the tight wedges. When the tree gets straight up It would then start falling when you pull. . Does that make sense?
If you are worried about it you could try a progress capture prussik attached to the front eye, wouldn't stop it going slack in the situation you describe but it would stop it essentially freespooling everything back out. Hope that helps.
These are great winches. You have to use good quality three-strand synthetic line. Good dense line does not stretch and lose its diameter like soft line will. Don't use braided climb line, it will get thin and slip. A steel threaded link is more reliable than a carabiner, but each to his own! At 1500 pounds of pull they can go a lot of work. I often hang a block off the tree and double the pull. When a tree gets really limb locked you can rig a Prusick onto to the pull line and use a second winch or a vehicle.
Good point man. I was using mine today in snowy conditions ... rope got icy and started to slip, too. One thing I do to avoid the kind of setback you described is to grab the taught line and finish the pull by hand pulling perpendicular to the rope. Anyway, be safe out there!
Employ your Porta-wrap as a progress capture. Attach puller to the front of your Porta-wrap, and pull, transferring the slack onto the Porta-wrap as you go. Hope this makes sense. I’ve done it this way for years.
I just started using this thing and I’ve got a knot on both ends. The issue isn’t the rope pulling through, it’s that this machine requires constant tension for those teeth to bite. If your tree starts falling or bending toward the puller, the tension slacks and if you’re by yourself (which you shouldn’t be if you’re using this), you’d have to drop your saw and run back to the puller to reintroduce tension on the puller to keep it taught and keep continuous tension toward the direction of the fall
Attach a hand ascender to the rope just behind the rope exit point of the puller. Slide it up to the edge of the puller as you crank more rope through to increase tension. This will keep the rope from spooling back through the unit when the tension is released, it will also keep the tree from falling away from the direction of the pulley when the rope goes slack. There is a point where the rope puller can't keep up with the fall of the tree. Neither could an electric wench. At that point just let the tree fall.
Can you use a prussik knot and a bungie chord to maintain enough "pressure" on the pulley to keep it from sliding back? I'm not sure if that would work or not...
Good comments: My take, DO NOT over tension it. If you are arm strength full out, and you need to check your rigging or attachment to tree. I was in the middle of pulling a leaner with the Masdam,. It got so rigid, I could not release it! Tech support at Masdam was great. I had to really bang the handle back to release the tensioner pion. Then went about repositioning my rigging - down it came with much less effort!
I just ran into this situation. I protected myself by tying the discharge line tightly to the tree that I was anchored to (not the tree that I was felling). This prevented any more than 1 foot of loose line to slip out when the tree was falling. (problem solved)
was watching a video of someone falling trees with this puller. what he did to combat that was put a security knot in the rope on the outfeed side right at the opening so if it did slack up the knot would prevent the rope from running all the way through the pulley.
Noticed there wasn’t a knot on either side, think that’s the issue here- This video gives some good set up instruction ruclips.net/video/ZE6MjmBJk20/видео.html
I guess you should have had another person on the puller while you cut, or ran a tag line back to yourself to keep tension on the line if slack was introduced
The rope he is using in that video is a stiffer harder 3 strand rope, and the Maasdam Rope puller (in my experience), does not favor that type of rope. Example: The Sampson Tree-Master Rope 1/2" is absolutely no good in a Maasdam rope puller, but the Samson Pro-Master 1/2" 3 stand works fairly well because it's more flexible and softer than the Tree-Master. The best rope I found in mine is the 3 strand rope puller rope sold by Maple Leaf Ropes, softer than the Pro-Master rope and you need almost no tension on the rope and it will not slip in the puller. I have 3 Maasdam Rope Pullers and I use the Maple Leaf Ropes softer 3 strand ropes in all of them, never had a slippage problem. I also put a small accessory biner through the hole in the front of the puller to guide and hold up the exiting rope so it doesn't droop down off the engagement spool like you see in this video - that helps too.
Robert, I also noticed that Andrew was using a stiff robe in this video. I have a rope just like it that I purchased years ago that I do not use because it is just too stiff to work with. The Samson Pro-Master is soft enough to seat super well in the Maasdam and doesn't slip. I like your idea of clipping in a small accessory biner. I'll be doing that from now on. Thanks Robert!
At that point it loosens you could probably grab the rope by hand to pull the tree the rest of the way down. Good vid though. I will be using mine the same way.
I never see one in real just in videos and never find one for sale in Europe, if I buy online from USA the sorry customers here charge 3 times more in import taxes that what it costs.
There was a firm purporting to sell them in the UK, but they never had them in stock, so I imported one. Cost a fortune, bought rope over here & have never regretted it. So light & portable & can use any length of rope.
@@chaswarren7239 I got one to, it was send to me from USA I pay 3 times more in customers and shipping. Now here in Portugal in no where I can find the proper rope size sense here they only have in the metric system.
Thanks for that information. I'm getting ready to purchase a Massdam rope puller to do some tree work on some property I bought in New Hampshire. I have a couple trees I want to tie off and add some pull for added safety reasons and to help with lean. This is a good point you make and I have not seen anyone else in any videos about this puller mention this. So you are the first person that has addressed this that I know of. I like to research the use of a tool or process as much as possible before I actually get into it in a real scenario. Thanks again and as they say in the sports fishing world "Tight lines". Seems appropriate in this case.
To avoid the problem might I suggest that as the tree starts moving, you go and tap the wedges snugly. Then pull and go back to banging the wedges. I believe this would prevent the tree coming back if some slack appears in the pulling rope. The slack is compensated by the tight wedges. When the tree gets straight up It would then start falling when you pull. . Does that make sense?
If you are worried about it you could try a progress capture prussik attached to the front eye, wouldn't stop it going slack in the situation you describe but it would stop it essentially freespooling everything back out. Hope that helps.
These are great winches. You have to use good quality three-strand synthetic line. Good dense line does not stretch and lose its diameter like soft line will. Don't use braided climb line, it will get thin and slip. A steel threaded link is more reliable than a carabiner, but each to his own! At 1500 pounds of pull they can go a lot of work. I often hang a block off the tree and double the pull. When a tree gets really limb locked you can rig a Prusick onto to the pull line and use a second winch or a vehicle.
Thank you for making this video. I bet it'll help keep more people safe
Good point man. I was using mine today in snowy conditions ... rope got icy and started to slip, too. One thing I do to avoid the kind of setback you described is to grab the taught line and finish the pull by hand pulling perpendicular to the rope. Anyway, be safe out there!
you want to insert wedges to control that
Thanks for sharing this! This and similar reasons are why I replaced my maasdam with a rope jack.
Thanks for the information I’ll keep this in mind.
Much appreciated. It's the nuisances that helps spread knowledge. Thanks brother!
Employ your Porta-wrap as a progress capture. Attach puller to the front of your Porta-wrap, and pull, transferring the slack onto the Porta-wrap as you go.
Hope this makes sense. I’ve done it this way for years.
I just started using this thing and I’ve got a knot on both ends. The issue isn’t the rope pulling through, it’s that this machine requires constant tension for those teeth to bite. If your tree starts falling or bending toward the puller, the tension slacks and if you’re by yourself (which you shouldn’t be if you’re using this), you’d have to drop your saw and run back to the puller to reintroduce tension on the puller to keep it taught and keep continuous tension toward the direction of the fall
Yup - so keep cranking and tensioning!
Attach a hand ascender to the rope just behind the rope exit point of the puller. Slide it up to the edge of the puller as you crank more rope through to increase tension. This will keep the rope from spooling back through the unit when the tension is released, it will also keep the tree from falling away from the direction of the pulley when the rope goes slack. There is a point where the rope puller can't keep up with the fall of the tree. Neither could an electric wench. At that point just let the tree fall.
Great video! Which brand carabiner are you using there by the puller?
A really good point that mate. Wouldn't have occurred to me. Great safety tip. Des
Can you use a prussik knot and a bungie chord to maintain enough "pressure" on the pulley to keep it from sliding back? I'm not sure if that would work or not...
Thank you for making the video it was very informative
Good comments: My take, DO NOT over tension it. If you are arm strength full out, and you need to check your rigging or attachment to tree. I was in the middle of pulling a leaner with the Masdam,. It got so rigid, I could not release it! Tech support at Masdam was great. I had to really bang the handle back to release the tensioner pion. Then went about repositioning my rigging - down it came with much less effort!
What carabiner and WLL of it did your replace hook with? Thanks
Thanks for posting
I just ran into this situation. I protected myself by tying the discharge line tightly to the tree that I was anchored to (not the tree that I was felling). This prevented any more than 1 foot of loose line to slip out when the tree was falling. (problem solved)
What 3 strand rope are you using? I’ve never had that problem with Samson’s Pro Master.
What's the WLL on that carabiner?
was watching a video of someone falling trees with this puller. what he did to combat that was put a security knot in the rope on the outfeed side right at the opening so if it did slack up the knot would prevent the rope from running all the way through the pulley.
Noticed there wasn’t a knot on either side, think that’s the issue here-
This video gives some good set up instruction ruclips.net/video/ZE6MjmBJk20/видео.html
Thank you
Good Point!
Good tip, thanks. Maybe, I should have bought one of these instead of a More Power Puller.
I guess you should have had another person on the puller while you cut, or ran a tag line back to yourself to keep tension on the line if slack was introduced
The rope he is using in that video is a stiffer harder 3 strand rope, and the Maasdam Rope puller (in my experience), does not favor that type of rope. Example: The Sampson Tree-Master Rope 1/2" is absolutely no good in a Maasdam rope puller, but the Samson Pro-Master 1/2" 3 stand works fairly well because it's more flexible and softer than the Tree-Master. The best rope I found in mine is the 3 strand rope puller rope sold by Maple Leaf Ropes, softer than the Pro-Master rope and you need almost no tension on the rope and it will not slip in the puller. I have 3 Maasdam Rope Pullers and I use the Maple Leaf Ropes softer 3 strand ropes in all of them, never had a slippage problem. I also put a small accessory biner through the hole in the front of the puller to guide and hold up the exiting rope so it doesn't droop down off the engagement spool like you see in this video - that helps too.
Robert, I also noticed that Andrew was using a stiff robe in this video. I have a rope just like it that I purchased years ago that I do not use because it is just too stiff to work with. The Samson Pro-Master is soft enough to seat super well in the Maasdam and doesn't slip. I like your idea of clipping in a small accessory biner. I'll be doing that from now on. Thanks Robert!
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It is a big problem. Under pressure it works great. When the pressure releases the rope just pulls out. When you work by yourselves you are screwed.
Capacity how much
aboout 1500 lbs
Have a wedge handy when ever having to pull trees over...
At that point it loosens you could probably grab the rope by hand to pull the tree the rest of the way down. Good vid though. I will be using mine the same way.
I never see one in real just in videos and never find one for sale in Europe, if I buy online from USA the sorry customers here charge 3 times more in import taxes that what it costs.
There was a firm purporting to sell them in the UK, but they never had them in stock, so I imported one. Cost a fortune, bought rope over here & have never regretted it. So light & portable & can use any length of rope.
@@chaswarren7239 I got one to, it was send to me from USA I pay 3 times more in customers and shipping. Now here in Portugal in no where I can find the proper rope size sense here they only have in the metric system.
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