Dropping the Leaning Peg with the Maasdam and Fiddle Block - Storm Damaged Maple Day 2 Part 2
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2022
- The conclusion to the Storm Damaged Maple. We used 2 ropes pulling in 2 different directions to get this big peg over without damaging the garage/shed beside it. The Maasdam Rope Puller was pulling to the lay, and the Fiddle Block 5 to 1 was pulling against the lean. Some serious tension in these lines. Enjoy.
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- Patrick
First of all, yes I should have just climbed back up and chunked it down. I had just finished a 4 hour climb to get the tree down and was hoping to just flop the peg. Secondly, I don't know why Alex cut it the way he did here, it took forever. Thirdly, I should have left room behind the skid steer, so that once it was all cut up we could just back the machine up instead of cranking it... - Patrick
Gotta love when the customer comes out right when you are trying to do the fun stuff
I`ve probably said this before Patrick, but what I like about this channel is the, "This how we can do it" rather than the "Look at me" vibe of some other arb channels. Really great work.
I really appreciate that
Yeah that daisy chain knot that you taught me I use all the time now I absolutely love it it took the place of the running bowling now I use that comes undone so easy thank you Patrick
Gotta love the homeowner that tells you how to do the job. Lol
Thanks for reinforcing that it takes patience and reliance on good technique to make a difficult cut work right.
Lessons learned. A great day. Everyone goes home without injury.
In the time all of this took, couldnt you have just blocked it down?
You can always tell who the Boss is.
Stem tips over safely and successfully,
Cutter at the stump - Exuberant
Boss - Sigh of relief
🤣🤣🤣
Flawless execution. Nice work - that was a big log 😮
Enjoyed the video. That was a hefty leaner for sure. Base came close to the shed. Good rigging1
Great Job! I felt like I was there and ready to help!
Heck Yea! In the back of mind, I was worried the bottom would get close to hitting the shed when tipped over, but the deep face cut and extra pull from the fiddle block absolutely demolished that possiblity. Thanks Patrick for another educational video.
Really weird about your Maadam slipping... mine did exactly the same thing the other day when I was using it to pull a fishing boat up a hill into the woods... I finally figured to do just what you did and take out as much slack as possible by pulling the running end... and at some point it stopped slipping and started grabbing........... just got to your explanation of *why* it slips... makes sense! great to know!
Slip knot in the running end... another great tip.
This one could've been a good candidate for a few gill cuts to soften up that beefy hinge for easier pulling with the Maasdam. Also, respect you trusting your guys to do the critical tasks on their own in the presence of real consequences. Always learning something new from you.
I love them rope come alongs but pulling big stuff over buddy I have a horrible problem with using them I'm so scared they're going to break I had two break on me before so now I just spent almost $400 about 3 months ago and I got that amsthel one. It's got the blue winch line in it it extends out about 35 ft and that thing I trust 100%, it's solid great job though I love the rope come along for stuff like you're doing with it right now definitely comes in handy
This is what a well planned, coordinated effort looks like. Bravo!
Nice work! .... nice level face cut by your crew member, especially holding the saw up high and with obstructed view by the other stem stump, etc.
Your technique validates my plan for falling an elm that is leaning over my house (12-14" dbh) .... put a "holding" line on it 90 degrees from the intended lay to keep it from falling onto house, and using the Maasdam attached to my "pull" line to pull it down.
After watching this video I maybe should rethink the tension I had planned to put on the holding line... and put a lot more. Also my Maasdam will be anchored to a tree, so I think I will augment its pulling power with a 3:1 on the pull rope.
Hi Bob, yes the holding line needs a whole lot of tension. In this video it was barely enough, and that's with 2 guys reefing on a 5 to 1. A more static rope would make more sense as well. For the pull line, the Maasdam by itself should be plenty. The maple in this video had quite a bit of holding wood, that's why we were struggling so much to pull it over... The Maasdam is supposed to be rated at a 10 to 1 pulling ratio, it's really nice when you only have a single person to operate a pull line... - Patrick
@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Thanks a lot, Patrick! I haven't had a lot of time to watch many tree videos, but it's always a pleasure and educational to watch yours. Best wishes.
I think you will be able to pull the rope ABOVE the one you already have on the tree - just slide the new one on the existing rope having the both ends of new one on the ground and pulling them toward the tree. and then use the any running knot to fix it on the top of the tree (like canopy anchor).
That would have worked! Thanks
Sometimes...it's good to make a long day even longer. Good work men
According to my tree climbing friend, Squirrel, you should use a 3 strand rope with a rope winch. It prevents the slipping.
Yes indeed, 3-strand soft lay like Samson Pro-master
Amazing job! Thanks for sharing!
Great job! I really enjoy watching your videos
Solid work gentleman!
Nice job. Not sure I would've trusted that orange rope to hold the tree. I typically just tie to my 4x4 and when it starts to crack, drive like hell until it falls😂
Great video, good work guys.
Not certain yet trying. Awesome call on the line of the face.
Another great job patrick
Glad you put that fiddle block on or that corner would’ve got it.
Great job
Stay safe
If you had to do it all over again would you make such a deep face cut? or was that depth necessary to move the hinge back on account of the severity of the lean? great work!
Nice work guys!
Love your skills ❤
One wrap under on the hitch…. Agreed!
That is trust. Which is what it takes. Aloha Andersons
Well done fella’s
Great job
That was a nail biter....can make a person get a cold sweat.
Grat job !!
(The stronger come-along allows you to have a nice fat 2" hinge, when it's leaning back so hard....)
[edit: As I watch, another factor I would like to mention, is that in certain cases, setting the line 6' or 8' _lower_ on the spar helps with winching efficiency....how much lateral disance you can recoup with fewest cranks....again, this lowering, as well as the thicker hinge, can only be attempted with a come-along that will not require a higher-set line/angle....]
Plenty of reasons to drop the stick instead of chunking it down:
- climber is tired from being in the tree all day
- no climber available
- active weather moving in
- someone wants the trunk to make furniture, park bench, live edge charcuterie boards, etc
- teaching groundies these techniques
- don’t have equipment or experience to rig down heavier rounds
- etc
Thanks for showing folks these techniques. 80% of the folks who tuned in won’t be climbing, ever, and these methods help them more than seeing a pro do it with inaccessible methods.
Appreciate that 🙏. - Patrick
Hi Patrick great video. Have you ever used the masdam rope puller as you’re “input force” for the fiddleblock? I’m curious what negatives or benefits that may provide.
I doubt the fiddleblock is rated for that kind of input. My come along can drag at 12000lbs, my fiddle's only rated for 1000lbs. It's important to keep in mind that mechanical advantage systems often place several times the load you apply to it to one or more of the components composing it. It's not hard to grossly exceed their rating this way. I'm also very new to this stuff so take it with a grain of salt and seek further advice.
23 minutes for this? serously..and this was part 2 hahaha
Very nice, love the precision of those felling cuts with that saw above chest level. Can you tell me what that knot was called that your guy used to attach the come-along rope to your pull line?
I believe it's called English prusik
Good work video Patrick
I always enjoy seeing other companies setup and equipment choices. So many ways to do the same job. I think I would have just chunked it down in firewood length pieces.
Very good 👍
Did a piece drop on the fence the day before, or was that an old dead fall damage. Like how you took your time at the end instead of rushing things at the critical moment, like some do.
Is that a spliced eye in the half inch rope coming off the Maasdam? I need to do something like this. Way easier than pulling 100+ feet of rope through the Maasdam every time it gets used. Though, I've gotten good at holding the two spring loaded pegs out of the way of the wheel to do so, lol.
Learned a lot from you, Patrick. Cheers.
Here's how I set it up: ruclips.net/video/ZE6MjmBJk20/видео.htmlsi=F14MdaPjXPb4zBmW
All the best. - Patrick
Do you have an Amazon affiliate link for rope and equipment you use and recommend?
Keeping it clean
Great video, do your saws have muffler mods? I just found a Stihl 066 for a great price and did a muffler mod.
I just added a muffler mod on my MS200T, that's the only mod I have... . - Patrick
Nice!!!
Were you quoting Mike Rowe @14:48? Safety 3rd! By the way, love your channel. Great stuff.
Yes, that's some Mike Rowe wisdom 😎. - Patrick
What is the name of that orange rigging rope?
I do your running daisy chain knot pretty often and I’m looking for rope with better hand.
Yale Buzzz
Was that a BC 1000 I saw? If so how do you like them?
That was a 1500, but I love the BC1000, it's the perfect size and capacity for small crews
Lots of skill and good work but I would not have anchored to the vermeer or at least tie it to something else. Use your masdam like a snatch block: anchor your rope to another fixed point behind you and use a block or ring as a moveable up at the tree--- almost doubles your masdam. Two guys on the masdam is a no no.
Thanks for posting. Appreciate the time and effort you put into making the videos.
Danger Zone! That's why you Pro's are on it!
Nice cut
don't know why i'm watching this but it's interesting
Maasdam and fiddleblock would be an excellent name for the right band….
At a certain point, I was like "GET OUT FROM UNDER/BEHIND THE DAMNED TREE, DUDE!!!!"😜
Hi Patrick,
Could you do a quick video showing the details of the ascender you're using right at the begining of this video near the 5 second mark? It looks like it's a one-of-a-kind design, not a commercially manifactured product, though obviously using the same concept as Rope Runner Pro. Very cool. I've made a few ascenders of my own that are roughly similar. I'd love to hear what you think of it, the pros and cons, what you like and what you'd do differently if you were to make another one.
Thanks.
I believe it is called the Bulldog Bone.
@@deadfishporter That sounds familiar now that you mention it. I didn't recognize it. A quick search looks like you're exactly right. Thanks.
Thought so
I would have pieced all the way down,but when your climbing it’s different.I work alone and out of a spider lift.I f eel you take a chance for things to go bad.And all the extra time doing your way.Unless it’s completely leaning in the direction you want it to fall with out a rope.
Idk. 30^hinge?
Hey Patrick, great video as always! Two things came to mind, would like to know what you think of it...
First instead of opening completely the bottom of the notch, wouldn't it help the log to "jump further" (past the shelter "line") if you had open it just halfway?
Secondly looking back at it, could you have put the "shark hinge" to good use in this scenario?
Have a great day
Either use the skid loader to pull or get better winches.!
I can’t believe that rope took that much tension from the rope-a-long,
I used a massdam rope winch just like that once but did not know how much tension I could apply. When the dude asked if he could tighten the red rope, I had to pause from the tension in your voice; that’s some real puckering stressful situation when that tree is teetering and about to permanently lean. You also got my attention thank you very much Sir when you described to the owner how that species (Norway maple?) breaks as it’s cut. That implies that there could be species-specific generalities gained from experience that can affect decisions related to procedure. I’m always pleased to learn more ways to be scared to death to ride herd over dropping a tree, so much can go so wrong so fast that mistakes, forced or unforced, can easily be deadly. The only thing that I missed was the last sawyers description of his escape plan before he made the last cuts. Thank you, please feel free to share some bland falls with less anxiety! Reno
Do yourself a favor and get the 3-ton Wyeth-Scott come-along with the AmSteel line. They are about $350, and worth every last penny.
For the trucker hitch
You ever get folks try n tell you that’s red maple ? “It’s got red leaves, it’s red maple” they always say and I just try not to argue because that never helps 😅
Let's see the hinge... we don't need to see how easy another daisy chain unties.... walk over to that stump and show us how the fractured fibers of the hinge tell the tale.. I can see the log at the very end and that looks like a good amount of hinge wood that worked well. Also It's pretty simple to use a 2:1 ma system for that puller, but I would have just used the machine to do the pulling.. plenty of clearance... DId the retainer line actually engage and stop the tree from going sideways? Doesn't look like it was needed, but it did seem to stop the roll into the shed.. so whatever works...
Hey Daniel, I let Alex cut this one, that's why it seemed so difficult. Hinge was thick. Would have just chunked it down but I had just finished a 4 hr climb. Should have just gone back up...
@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM I definitely like falling a tree when it fits... I think it was a good cut... and I like a fat hinge.. That's my thing actually... Keep putting out the good stuff...
Everything is cool but a double wedge cut is definitely extremely dangerous, if you were wrong on how much you wedged the bottom it could have gone right while you were cutting , but you obvy know your way around the saw. The taller ther tree the more sketch it gets but you know what your doin and just had the stem left good shit bro
How much did this job cost the homeowner?
Business tips!
The noose
I don't get this cut at all, but hey, it worked.
Winch top? Rookie. Same as me.
1:23 Whut's the cool knot?
3point connection
Pulley on the trunk?
For your climb. Wind weight
As. Per time
Twist and fluo
Flip
Mid kickings evil spirits away🫡
Idk. Seems like some risk. Maybe should’ve just chunked it out? I know that’s not easy
Definitely risky, but easier on me than chunking it all down after a long climb... - Patrick
Or weight bag
Aloha
Use a bow and arrow technique on the rope put tension
---------⬆️⬇️--------
Or two
Could have chunked it down a touch/ l could have climbed higher.
...then, tree pulls tractor instead of the other way around...how now, brown cow?
12:48 and less
Bet the bill was more than the shed was worth, what a bunch of screwing around
He's gonna hate the tinnitus in his left ear in just a few short years. It'll get louder every year and drown out stuff you'll wanna hear on that side. Throws everything off balance. Suckz, forever...
He's got a big fat head, helmets with muffs never fit on there. He wears ear plugs. My hearing damage has never manifested as tinnitus, it's always been an inability to hear over background noise. I can never focus my hearing when there are other competing noises, which is pretty much all the time... Also, when I'm exposed to loudness, it's physically painful, really hurts my head.... - Patrick
@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Ah, that's good. The plugs. Not the fat head. Lol I've got a constant loud squeal in my left ear. Drowns out high frequency sounds. Never gets better. Never goes away. Wish I could've told my younger self to be more diligent with the protection!
Bye bye shade tree.
Ahhh
You don´t have RH 6 pusher? Just telling I woud have cut shorter stump away first. Then quite normal felling in 5 min with pusher. Alone. And you could have left the trunk 4m longer then also. Compared the cost of having 5 guys running around for about an hour...
An hour?
Nice, but could have blocked it down in a quarter of the time than that show. Each to there own I suppose.
Open hinge
Aloka
My dad hired a guy from church to do something similar to this. He had it all tied up and rigged like this. Proceeded to drop the tree right in the middle of the neighbors garage. Lol. Luckily it was a very strong roof and the tree just slid down the ridge and fell onto the ground.
Peg….
And why wouldn't you just use the mini skid to pull the damn thing over?
Because I'm an idiot
HAHA BRUTALLY HONEST ABOUT SELF- LOVE THAT. NOT SURE HOW CALM YOU WERE INSIDE BUT YOU STAYED PATIENT WHICH IS SUPERIOR LEADERSHIP. WAS THE HINGE A LITTLE TO THICK ?
A butchered job came out lucky.
Brittle wood. Not holding