Novel kars slaps as it's not Dio actually making the changes like the literal writer is doing but even then kars is the ultimate (no pun intended) life form
As the second strongest cripple (after Okina Matara, the God of Disability herself) Johnny Joestar, fought the fraud, Go/jo, he began to charge Tusk Act 4. Go/jo uses the Joestar Secret Technically but Johnny said "stay running away Go/jo, you're just the honored half and half"
@snekksuperior Interdimensional travel and faster than lightspeed reaction are faster than what Johnny was able to fight against in Act 3 but in Act 4 after having it for just a mere moment he immediately won the fight so when he got used to his stand he was way stronger than that Also if he was able to (almost) fully counter THE FULL STOPPING OF TIME ITSELF I think he would be able to handle a more intense version of a brainwash
@@snekksuperior Tusk itself massively outspeeds Gojo...And you can't use the argument of "But not Johnny" As it is evident the stand is faster than the user with Jotaro Not to mention he can literally move in stopped time WITHOUT having time stopping abilities.
@@SajtNinja How does this deal with literally infinite information flooding the brain , stopping times is not instantly killing a person like how infinite knowledge is. Pluss the video never brought up him being resistant to the effects of what is literally a lot more powerful version of lobotomy or his domain expansion. So what is your point exactly?
@jabarilewis5665 idk man I just be saying shit But the domain(unlike timestop) does have a range, quite small infact, that Johnny would most likely be out of range of since he's a ranged fighter, and for Go/jo it would be very hard to close that distance to use his domain +(Edit)The domain is very specifically stated to not kill a person just overload their brains, esentially stunning them for a really long time because they need to process all the information of the universe, it isn't a free kill after he lands it either because Tusk act 4 can move on it's own(sorta like G.E.R) and still "catch Go/Jo lacking".
@@Kayvonreeee isn't johnny fail to kill or win a race against the dude moving with a speed of a horse with tusk act4 ? when gojo kill a bunch of curse in less than a second or teleport from tokyo to a mountain carry another person . I dont think johnny can do anything when gojo fly up staring at him from 10km away
@@izum4831 you mean the same racer who can stop time and got prep time to faced tusk act 4? In jojo any information about your stand is basically fatal since your own weaknesses got revealed to the enemy then you will lost, so ofc diego managed to outplay johnny with that information. But gojo without this information and prep time? He is 100% cooked.
@@lordtouchme77This. Johnny gains a major disadvantage if his Stand ability is figured out, one of the main components of Stand battle is to figure out whatever bullshit your enemy has to counter it effectively. As long as Gojo doesn't figure out what Johnny is trying to do; which he most likely won't since he can't even see Stands, Johnny could fully charge up Tusk Act 4 with the Golden Rotational Energy and bypass his barrier. If we were taking into accounts their battle style; Gojo is very laid back and hardly puts in hard work due to him believing he could never die thanks to his infinity, fighting someone like Johnny would enforce this idea even further since he most likely won't take Johnny seriously whereas Johnny, who is perfectly fine with killing people and have said it himself would not give Gojo the benefit of the doubt if there came to be a reason.
@izum4831 stand ranges are determined by their power, more power, less range. Unless the stand has conditions to activate. Can't punch a man you can't catch up to, diago had a simular speed horse plus time stop.
@@sapphicjade6375this can be true, but the stand is faster than the person, jotaro said so and did so actually, so unless tusk is with johnny at all times yes this could happen, other than that that fucking pink demon can be anywhere at any time it wants
My funniest head canon is since tusk act 4 is about balls and spinning and stuff, i can just imagine tusk watching and waiting for gojo to shoot a hollow purple just to pull a kung fu panda and deflecting that sh while gojo watches in disbelief as a pink refrigerator spins around his hollow purple and shoots it back at him.
I'd like to see Gojo vs Lille Barro. Gojo will be his usual self only to be realized that he had been turned to swiss cheese. And that's not even including his biblically accurate angel form and Trompete
Johnny Joestar was able to pierce Love Train (a dimensional barrier with infinite dimensions) that can protect Valentine from pretty much any attack possible (kind of like Gojo's Infinity) so Tusk could easily bypass Gojo's infinity and destroy him
Haven't watched yet but I think I smell some JJBA downplay incoming They better say that tusk act 4 rips Gojo apart no diff because that's how it would go 9:00 Holy shit when people bring that up they are forgetting that high tier sorcerers can use the sparks of cursed energy in someones aura to determine when they are gonna attack, therefore deciding that its not enough evidence to bring the verse to lightspeed 12:45 That's not how it works, infinite void multiplies the information that you take in again and again by massive amounts until it fries your brain.
@@shminkltusk got the same ap and persistence stat as star platinum, the same speed stat as anubis, and the same precision stat as crazy diamond. Jjk verse is literally capped at mach 3 so yeah, do with that as you will. Johnny also doesnt need his horse to use act 4 btw, without the infinite rotation he can just use it as a normal punching stand.
@@Jsipki265 It is, if its the power of act 2 or 3 there is no reason for him to summon act 4 when undoing the coffin's spin, when he doesnt have the super spin act 4 is pretty much a punching stand
I really like how you weren't utterly biased! Despite being a way bigger JOJO fan, you brought up points that I feel like people never do, specifically how the horse is absolutely monumental when it comes to using the Infinite Spin. I completely agree with the outcome here. I really wanna see this particular battle get animated, feel like it could be really sick.
@@Jsipki265wormhole bullet he shoots auto tracks and goes for targets heart by the way, he can litterly just sit back and spam those and gojos durability wont be able to hold up because he has constant tracking hard damagin bullets😭
@@limptoastInfinite Rotation hax≠Immeasurable speed. We don’t say Jotaro, DIO, or C-Moon Pucci have immeasurable speed cause they can move in stopped time, don’t we? So we shouldn’t try to wank Johnny’s speed that high due to how Act 4 specifically manipulated gravity(something shown multiple times in JoJo to be tied to time)
1. Stand Stats! They're a bit inconsistent at times, but Araki does make an effort to make them one of the better tools for cross-Part comparisons. And the general rule is that anything with at least a C in Speed should be able to manage at least light speed (the benchmark there being Joseph and Caesar pre-training arc subconsciously using Hermit Purple to move faster than a laser from the Red Atone of Aja). Tusk... only gets above D rank Speed in Act 4, and we don't have a good benchmark for what a Speed stat that low correlates to, though there are indications that each rank of Speed is worth about a factor of 40. In short, Johnny should be way faster in all Acts, but that only becomes something I'll claim with confidence in Act 4 with a Speed of B. For what it's worth, the fact that THE WORLD didn't get updated Stand stats in Jojoveller is also evidence that they aren't any different from The World, given how Star Platinum got 3 entries to track each tiny change. 2. Unlimited Void is way way more limited than you portray. It takes a full tenth of a second just to activate it, and another tenth of a second to actually pump enough information to disable someone. As shown against Sukuna, this activation time is extremely significnant and basically means Gojo already needs his opponent locked down so they can't dodge outside of the barrier before it closes. Unlimited Void also disrupts Infinity, what with being a more powerful spatial manipulation, making Gojo extremely vulnerable for a full fifth of a second whenever he uses it. It's good hax, but against anyone significantly faster than himself it's actually a liability. 3. Act 4 is not actually dependent on a horse to activate. Any source of Golden Spiral Spin energy will work, as shown by Johnny completing it mid-fall with one of Gyro's Steel Balls. Though it's weird that Johnny didn't keep using that trick in Part 8 (literally just use 2 nails dude).
I was hoping for them to bring up stand stats but it's weird that they didn't But yeah, I think that Diego's The world should be similar in stats with DIO's The world. Hold on, let ne Google the stats for Diego...
@pedro_6120 Part 7 Stand stats may be found in Jojoveller. THE WORLD does feature there, but all four Acts of Tusk do. Given that apparently nobody felt there was anything to say about THE WORLD that we didn't already know, we can take its absence as evidence of its stats being the same as The World. It's not proof, but it's what we have to work with.
A lot of people thinks that Gojo's Infinity is a barrier but it's not a barrier, it's a spacial paradoxe. But I still see Tusk Act 4 bypass it by opening a hole in Space kinda like how he opened Love Train's dimensional walls
An important thing to note for ACT 3 is whether or not gojo uses infinity like a bubble, with a gap of normal space between him and the technique, or he has it active from skin to wherever he ends it. If it's a bubble, ACT 3 could just wormhole through it and shoot him with a nail from within, albeit gojo could do a controlled purple in that area to remove the effects of spin to just heal a normal wound. (though a headshot likely means Johnny wins) If it's from skin, ACT 3 loses. ACT 4 on its own won't win, the nail itself has a speed, which can be slowed down. However if it uses ACT 3's ability and then an infinite rotation shot, ACT 4 will win, albeit faster then ACT 3 as it will be a single shot.
both fighters arrive at the scene, Gojo casually walks in and Johnny rides on his horse (given to him because of his problems with walking) Gojo: "So I heard we are battling today. Who are you?" Johnny: "Shut up! Tusk act 4 kill this man" And since infinite rotation is already shot at Gojo it's either Win for Johnny or Tie where both fighters die - How this fight would go in character
I dunno about the actual fight itself, but I think infinity doesn’t get bypassed by tusk’s infinite rotation. There’s a thought experiment called “Achilles and the tortoise”, in which a philosopher argued that if Achilles was chasing a tortoise he would never reach it, because every time he travelled halfway to the tortoise he would have to travel halfway of the new distance to the tortoise, and this would repeat indefinitely, hence Achilles can never reach the tortoise. Now while Achilles and the tortoise has been disproven, gojo’s infinity brings it into reality, via making each halfway distance take the same amount of time as the previous distance. What this effectively means is that gojo has an infinite distance between himself and everything else. All that build up to say, there are 2 ways in which someone can pierce infinity mathematically. A, by using something (usually a projectile) with no travel time (or alternatively a travel time that occurs within another dimension) to hit him instantly and without ever touching infinity. Or B, travelling an infinite amount of distance in a finite amount of time, essentially possessing infinite speed. Johnny’s infinite rotation nail can bypass dimensions, but gojo’s infinite space lies on the same plane as Johnny, so I don’t think it can simply pierce through it. And the nail bullets don’t seem to travel at infinite speed since characters seem to be able to see them. I guess it comes down to whether Johnny has an infinite range or not. Similarly I don’t think Johnny’s nail bullets would be able to bypass the green baby’s stand of part 6. I’m happy to be proved wrong, I’m just a little confused on the reasoning here, I’m sure I’m missing something simple that makes my argument invalid.
One massive problem with johnny here is that he directly needs a moving horse to utilize tusk act 4, and in a battle where your enemy can exceed the speed of sound, that horse is moving pretty slow in comparison
You could argue that in the last chapter in part 7 Johnny can hold the energy into the steel balls and summon ta4. Now i don't know if he would still have the same powers as if Johnny used a horse. Some ppl I've seen think when ta4 is used there he just doesn't have that infinite super spin energy but in how i saw part 7 the acts represent the strength of the spinn Johnny uses so it would've been an interesting point to make in the video about how Johnny at the end uses stored up spin energy with the steel balls to summon a version of act 4 on that coffin.
i thought the horse was necessary because johnny cant walk to get the momentum needed. now that i think about it even if he cant run as fast as the horse to get the needed momentum he can glide with his nail.
I have an idea as well can you make videos on other series and give the characters stands thatll fit them known or made up ones, and abilities for each.
If jojo gets a single shot off it’s over for gojo. His only option is to hollow purple the bizarre man currently aggressively riding a horse at him the second he can or he’s gojo, the rotated one
what i learn from this is that...Bassically Gojo just needs to not play around with his food and give johnny enough prep time to do his things or hes dead
In a nutshell gojo will be like "Wow another weakling they can't even stand for themselves" and Johnny will summon Act 4 and gojo uses infinity infinity gets popped open like a soda can and the valentine beatdown from steel ball run happens
1 act three bullet is heatseeking into Gojos heart. And bro, Gojo Rct not gonna matter against Tusk Act 4 bro, his cells gonna spin and hes gonna crumble. No cursed technique is saving him nor being fired.
If I may ask what about Johnny standing using tusk 4 giving his legs the golden spiral basically replacing the horse at lest I think that is how that works
tusk won't work on gojo's infinity because it's not a real barrier but refereed to as such to simplify it, its not a real barrier because it does prevent people from moving through the space, instead it makes the space they have to travel infinitely big
One thing I've always been confused about when it comes to JoJo's vs conversation Is why do people act like a stands speed stats apply to the user. Like why do people believe jotaro is FTL, from what I've understood from reading the manga and watching the anime is that he isn't FTL star platinum is and jotaro simply has the speed of a normal human or slightly above. If we include the weird stand jump esc thing they do in part 3 counts then wouldn't his stand then be occupied thus not allowing him to use it for combat Would appreciate a explanation
I think act three and up wins simply for the fact that Johnny can just put himself in a nail wormhole to avoid big attack such as Gojo's DE or his hollow purple. Haven't watched far into the video so I'll just edit this when Meta's says what I said lol
I’m gonna be honest depending on which gojo we are talking about the only way Johnny wins is if he can even survive long enough to get act 4. And then again if gojo just kills the horse Johnny just gets destroyed. The only way he wins if is he gets act 4 but if gojo decides to just boom red or even blue Johnny is cooked. Cause overall Johnny is still a human with human durability 😐
What would happen if gojo was a chill guy and let johnny prepare: Gojo: yowaim- oh what the fuc-!! (A pink refrigerator being controlled by a crippled is breaking through his infinity).
@cyrus8886 if that did happen (I haven't really read much of the manga) then Gojo is starting to sound very arrogant and kinda dumb for the overpowered character he is to me.
@sapphicjade6375 that common sense is highly mostly select scenerios, we simply cannot assume that this fight will take part in jjk verse, let alone assuming humans in jjba would function same as humans in jjk in terms of cursed energy deposit. As long as we know, he does not have any. Telling that he has because that is common sense also would be "Head Canon"
@sapphicjade6375 just to make a win con for gojo, we cannot give certain powers to select characters. That would be "meat riding" in terms of old school. İn short, giving Johnny cursed enegy is same as giving stand ability to gojo.
Wait wait, can’t Johnny use Tusk act 4 without the horse? (I know that the infinite spin thingy cannot be used without the perfect rotation, without horse) just asking if he can use it without horse?
The thing is, something I believe people don't take into account and METAs mentions, is that Johnny needs to CHARGE the ability with the horse if he can't it's kind of over. Because Johnny himself isn't really powerful unlike Gojo, so I can really understand how Johnny would probably lose more than win simply because he can't just freely use his TA4 although, GER on the other hand...
GER is too poorly-defined to really say anything about. You can no limits fallacy it so it can erase any amount of events it likes, and therefore it's a god that can shape the universe to its whims if it wanted to. Or you can not do that because that's obviously stupid and part 6 would never work if Pucci can never activate MIH because Giorno's stand said "NO." from the next country over. And at that point - what's the limit? Even if it's something reasonable like it must be something that's going to harm Giorno, that means GER can't turn off Infinity.
Heaven Ascension DIO vs Novel Kars up next. Stay tuned.
YEEEEESSSSS I NEED IT!!!!!!!!!
Nice.
My glorious king kars is gonna sweep 🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Novel kars slaps as it's not Dio actually making the changes like the literal writer is doing but even then kars is the ultimate (no pun intended) life form
I'm gonna touch you
gojo watching as johnny opens his infinity like a can of soda
"chu mi min"
Gojo watching in absolute horror as his infinity is violated for the 3rd time in his life by a giant pink imaginary friend
soda cans are lowkey hard to rip open
@@potturtle366 *do you have fingers*
No matter how many times I see someone make this joke, I will never not find this funny.
"Walk with me" - Metas
"Oh fuck you" - Johnny
Underrated
wait but at the end of the manga he can walk right?
Underrated comment
@@METAsMETAs can you make a video on aizen vs jojo bizarre adventure verse
@ZykeeJohnson-fz5qo I can't feel my legs - Johny probably
As the second strongest cripple (after Okina Matara, the God of Disability herself) Johnny Joestar, fought the fraud, Go/jo, he began to charge Tusk Act 4. Go/jo uses the Joestar Secret Technically but Johnny said "stay running away Go/jo, you're just the honored half and half"
i summon more upvotes
Bruh I read this out loud in the lobotomy kaisen voice 😭😭😭😭💀💀💀💀
This shit so majestic, made me remember the days of peak Lobotomy Kaisen
Jo solos ez. Go sucks fr 😼
Touhou??? In a Jojo/JJK comments section????? You have my like.
Tusk Act 4 is literally MADE TO COUNTER a stand with a stronger version of Infinity so I think the result is quite obvious
Yeah but valentine didn't massively outspeed Johnny, nor did he have an instakill domain expansion which activates in a fraction of a second
@snekksuperior Interdimensional travel and faster than lightspeed reaction are faster than what Johnny was able to fight against in Act 3 but in Act 4 after having it for just a mere moment he immediately won the fight so when he got used to his stand he was way stronger than that
Also if he was able to (almost) fully counter THE FULL STOPPING OF TIME ITSELF I think he would be able to handle a more intense version of a brainwash
@@snekksuperior Tusk itself massively outspeeds Gojo...And you can't use the argument of "But not Johnny"
As it is evident the stand is faster than the user with Jotaro
Not to mention he can literally move in stopped time WITHOUT having time stopping abilities.
@@SajtNinja How does this deal with literally infinite information flooding the brain , stopping times is not instantly killing a person like how infinite knowledge is. Pluss the video never brought up him being resistant to the effects of what is literally a lot more powerful version of lobotomy or his domain expansion. So what is your point exactly?
@jabarilewis5665 idk man I just be saying shit
But the domain(unlike timestop) does have a range, quite small infact, that Johnny would most likely be out of range of since he's a ranged fighter, and for Go/jo it would be very hard to close that distance to use his domain
+(Edit)The domain is very specifically stated to not kill a person just overload their brains, esentially stunning them for a really long time because they need to process all the information of the universe, it isn't a free kill after he lands it either because Tusk act 4 can move on it's own(sorta like G.E.R) and still "catch Go/Jo lacking".
“Are you Jo because you're Jo? Or are you Jo because you're Jo?” *-GET OUT*
Nah I’d ORA!!
you had the perfect opportunity to say GOJO VS JOJO in the opening. you failed me.
😂😂😂😂😂
@@gub-n3w still got gappy👀
@@METAsMETAs GAPPY NEXT?!
@@METAsMETAsgappy gets oneshot bro 💔
Johnny broke through Love Train, which redirects misfortune. Gojo's only option is to dodge.
Dodging is almost impossible. Johnny can summon wormholes (portals) and the bullet literally auto aims towards your heart
@@Kayvonreeee isn't johnny fail to kill or win a race against the dude moving with a speed of a horse with tusk act4 ? when gojo kill a bunch of curse in less than a second or teleport from tokyo to a mountain carry another person . I dont think johnny can do anything when gojo fly up staring at him from 10km away
@@izum4831 you mean the same racer who can stop time and got prep time to faced tusk act 4? In jojo any information about your stand is basically fatal since your own weaknesses got revealed to the enemy then you will lost, so ofc diego managed to outplay johnny with that information. But gojo without this information and prep time? He is 100% cooked.
@@lordtouchme77This. Johnny gains a major disadvantage if his Stand ability is figured out, one of the main components of Stand battle is to figure out whatever bullshit your enemy has to counter it effectively. As long as Gojo doesn't figure out what Johnny is trying to do; which he most likely won't since he can't even see Stands, Johnny could fully charge up Tusk Act 4 with the Golden Rotational Energy and bypass his barrier.
If we were taking into accounts their battle style; Gojo is very laid back and hardly puts in hard work due to him believing he could never die thanks to his infinity, fighting someone like Johnny would enforce this idea even further since he most likely won't take Johnny seriously whereas Johnny, who is perfectly fine with killing people and have said it himself would not give Gojo the benefit of the doubt if there came to be a reason.
@izum4831 stand ranges are determined by their power, more power, less range. Unless the stand has conditions to activate. Can't punch a man you can't catch up to, diago had a simular speed horse plus time stop.
Gojo watching in absolute fucking terror as he witnesses a huge ass pink fridge tear open his infinity like its a wet paper towel:
Nah he cant vene see the fricking fridge cuz he dont have a stand
Johnny glazers watching their precious boy get speed blitzed by the strongest sorcerer before he even needs to activate infinity
@@sapphicjade6375 *proceeds to get speed blitzed by tusk act 4*
@@sapphicjade6375 Johnny 360 flick shotting the world while its winding up a punch
@@sapphicjade6375this can be true, but the stand is faster than the person, jotaro said so and did so actually, so unless tusk is with johnny at all times yes this could happen, other than that that fucking pink demon can be anywhere at any time it wants
11:46 Manipulate cursed energy at an atomic level to control space ≠ manipulating space at an atomic level*
My funniest head canon is since tusk act 4 is about balls and spinning and stuff, i can just imagine tusk watching and waiting for gojo to shoot a hollow purple just to pull a kung fu panda and deflecting that sh while gojo watches in disbelief as a pink refrigerator spins around his hollow purple and shoots it back at him.
Everybody gangsta until the giant pink fridge goes "CHU MI MI!"
I'd like to see Gojo vs Lille Barro. Gojo will be his usual self only to be realized that he had been turned to swiss cheese. And that's not even including his biblically accurate angel form and Trompete
He becomes g/O/j/O
I still believe that Johnny would win because he has something that Gojo didn't have, And that is the plot armor
I mean he got Jesus on his side, and he can just get a new ability and defeat gojo
Bros got Jesus on hos side
Who's gonna tell him...
he also got pelted by a rock like Jesus' followers
whos gonna tell em....
Gojo watching Tusk Act 4 shredding his infinity in half while shouting "CHUMIMIIIIIIINNNNNN":
👁👄👁
Johnny Joestar was able to pierce Love Train (a dimensional barrier with infinite dimensions) that can protect Valentine from pretty much any attack possible (kind of like Gojo's Infinity) so Tusk could easily bypass Gojo's infinity and destroy him
True but it has a buildup to it which Gojo can easily interpret by killing the horse.
@Jsipki265 it's been shown in a part 8 flash back (I think the right part) that tusk act 4 became Johnny's base form
@ It literally shows the opposite he still needed the horse to activate infinite spin to save his son.
Valentine doesn't have gojo's speed feats unfortunately
Don't disgrace Valentine
Haven't watched yet but I think I smell some JJBA downplay incoming
They better say that tusk act 4 rips Gojo apart no diff because that's how it would go
9:00 Holy shit when people bring that up they are forgetting that high tier sorcerers can use the sparks of cursed energy in someones aura to determine when they are gonna attack, therefore deciding that its not enough evidence to bring the verse to lightspeed
12:45 That's not how it works, infinite void multiplies the information that you take in again and again by massive amounts until it fries your brain.
We do!
@@METAsMETAs W
Tusk glazing goes crazy when ur horse level character gets one shot by a giant blue orb
@@shminkl still solos gojo so ok
@@shminkltusk got the same ap and persistence stat as star platinum, the same speed stat as anubis, and the same precision stat as crazy diamond. Jjk verse is literally capped at mach 3 so yeah, do with that as you will. Johnny also doesnt need his horse to use act 4 btw, without the infinite rotation he can just use it as a normal punching stand.
Gojo: Nine Ropes, Polarized Light, Crows, and Shimyo, Between Front and Ba-
Johnny: Whatever dude, bite my nails 👉🥏
He only needs the horse to unlock act 4, he used it without horse after the sbr
Yeah because he wasn't crippled anymore
He needed to use it in Part 8 to reverse the rock disease so in canon he needs it to use infinite spin.
@@Jsipki265 He uses it on gyro's coffin just by tapping it
@@stanleynente7924That wasn’t infinite rotation wtf have you read part 7-8?
@@Jsipki265 It is, if its the power of act 2 or 3 there is no reason for him to summon act 4 when undoing the coffin's spin, when he doesnt have the super spin act 4 is pretty much a punching stand
I really like how you weren't utterly biased! Despite being a way bigger JOJO fan, you brought up points that I feel like people never do, specifically how the horse is absolutely monumental when it comes to using the Infinite Spin. I completely agree with the outcome here. I really wanna see this particular battle get animated, feel like it could be really sick.
“Lend me some speed scaling, Parts 1-6, this is Teen Gojo I’m up against”-Johnny Joestar
No need. Tusk act 4 is so fast he moves in stopped time.
@@limptoastHow is Johnny gonna use act 4 fast enough before Gojo kills him?
@@Jsipki265wormhole bullet he shoots auto tracks and goes for targets heart by the way, he can litterly just sit back and spam those and gojos durability wont be able to hold up because he has constant tracking hard damagin bullets😭
@ He’s faster than anything other than act 4 plus he can levitate. Are you forgetting a bullet can kill Johnny nevertheless a simple punch from Gojo?
@@limptoastInfinite Rotation hax≠Immeasurable speed.
We don’t say Jotaro, DIO, or C-Moon Pucci have immeasurable speed cause they can move in stopped time, don’t we? So we shouldn’t try to wank Johnny’s speed that high due to how Act 4 specifically manipulated gravity(something shown multiple times in JoJo to be tied to time)
*Gojo gets his infinity opened* “Oh sh-“ *Johnny* “HERES JOHNNY!”
The cripple vs the fraction
"Hasn't been a match up with physics breaking abilities like this in a long time."
Accelerator and Regulus enter the chat
Johnny is kinda a glass cannon, if infinite rotation hits, he wins. In any other situation he loses.
You so real
Always up for a Metas video!
Gojo seeing a Pink Fridge snapping apart his Infinity like it’s a folding chair:
You know how long I've been waiting this
someone finally understands being able to dispose of a characters greatest power doesn´t mean he can beat him.
Maki vs joelyne sounds like fun please make that 🙏
this title makes the fight seem likes its supposed to be close
are you jojo because youre johnny or are you jojo because youre joestar
1. Stand Stats! They're a bit inconsistent at times, but Araki does make an effort to make them one of the better tools for cross-Part comparisons. And the general rule is that anything with at least a C in Speed should be able to manage at least light speed (the benchmark there being Joseph and Caesar pre-training arc subconsciously using Hermit Purple to move faster than a laser from the Red Atone of Aja). Tusk... only gets above D rank Speed in Act 4, and we don't have a good benchmark for what a Speed stat that low correlates to, though there are indications that each rank of Speed is worth about a factor of 40. In short, Johnny should be way faster in all Acts, but that only becomes something I'll claim with confidence in Act 4 with a Speed of B. For what it's worth, the fact that THE WORLD didn't get updated Stand stats in Jojoveller is also evidence that they aren't any different from The World, given how Star Platinum got 3 entries to track each tiny change.
2. Unlimited Void is way way more limited than you portray. It takes a full tenth of a second just to activate it, and another tenth of a second to actually pump enough information to disable someone. As shown against Sukuna, this activation time is extremely significnant and basically means Gojo already needs his opponent locked down so they can't dodge outside of the barrier before it closes. Unlimited Void also disrupts Infinity, what with being a more powerful spatial manipulation, making Gojo extremely vulnerable for a full fifth of a second whenever he uses it. It's good hax, but against anyone significantly faster than himself it's actually a liability.
3. Act 4 is not actually dependent on a horse to activate. Any source of Golden Spiral Spin energy will work, as shown by Johnny completing it mid-fall with one of Gyro's Steel Balls. Though it's weird that Johnny didn't keep using that trick in Part 8 (literally just use 2 nails dude).
I was hoping for them to bring up stand stats but it's weird that they didn't
But yeah, I think that Diego's The world should be similar in stats with DIO's The world. Hold on, let ne Google the stats for Diego...
@@pedro_6120Diego's the world has even better stats than DIO's the world, I dont know why anyone would assume the stand randomly got weaker? Lol
@crashi159 wait, were does it say that?
I've been tryng to find Diego's The world stand stats to see but I can't find a reliable source.
@pedro_6120 Part 7 Stand stats may be found in Jojoveller. THE WORLD does feature there, but all four Acts of Tusk do.
Given that apparently nobody felt there was anything to say about THE WORLD that we didn't already know, we can take its absence as evidence of its stats being the same as The World. It's not proof, but it's what we have to work with.
@@crashi159He doesn’t stats doesn’t mean anything cause you can have the same stats as another stand, but majorly be slower/weaker than that stand.
A lot of people thinks that Gojo's Infinity is a barrier but it's not a barrier, it's a spacial paradoxe. But I still see Tusk Act 4 bypass it by opening a hole in Space kinda like how he opened Love Train's dimensional walls
9:36 Small city 9:40 small town 10:00 multi-city block to small town watts. 10:10 Domains buff the user by just 120% shown in Reggie vs Megumi.
An important thing to note for ACT 3 is whether or not gojo uses infinity like a bubble, with a gap of normal space between him and the technique, or he has it active from skin to wherever he ends it.
If it's a bubble, ACT 3 could just wormhole through it and shoot him with a nail from within, albeit gojo could do a controlled purple in that area to remove the effects of spin to just heal a normal wound. (though a headshot likely means Johnny wins)
If it's from skin, ACT 3 loses.
ACT 4 on its own won't win, the nail itself has a speed, which can be slowed down. However if it uses ACT 3's ability and then an infinite rotation shot, ACT 4 will win, albeit faster then ACT 3 as it will be a single shot.
both fighters arrive at the scene, Gojo casually walks in and Johnny rides on his horse (given to him because of his problems with walking)
Gojo: "So I heard we are battling today. Who are you?"
Johnny: "Shut up! Tusk act 4 kill this man"
And since infinite rotation is already shot at Gojo it's either Win for Johnny or Tie where both fighters die
- How this fight would go in character
METAs cooks again
I wonder how Made In Heaven would stack up again Marvel Comics Quicksilver.
I was gonna write my Assignment, but yeah Priorities.
Gojo watches in horror as a crippled dude on the ground shoot’s himself in the head with a finger gun and disappears into nothingness
I dunno about the actual fight itself, but I think infinity doesn’t get bypassed by tusk’s infinite rotation.
There’s a thought experiment called “Achilles and the tortoise”, in which a philosopher argued that if Achilles was chasing a tortoise he would never reach it, because every time he travelled halfway to the tortoise he would have to travel halfway of the new distance to the tortoise, and this would repeat indefinitely, hence Achilles can never reach the tortoise. Now while Achilles and the tortoise has been disproven, gojo’s infinity brings it into reality, via making each halfway distance take the same amount of time as the previous distance. What this effectively means is that gojo has an infinite distance between himself and everything else.
All that build up to say, there are 2 ways in which someone can pierce infinity mathematically.
A, by using something (usually a projectile) with no travel time (or alternatively a travel time that occurs within another dimension) to hit him instantly and without ever touching infinity.
Or B, travelling an infinite amount of distance in a finite amount of time, essentially possessing infinite speed.
Johnny’s infinite rotation nail can bypass dimensions, but gojo’s infinite space lies on the same plane as Johnny, so I don’t think it can simply pierce through it. And the nail bullets don’t seem to travel at infinite speed since characters seem to be able to see them. I guess it comes down to whether Johnny has an infinite range or not. Similarly I don’t think Johnny’s nail bullets would be able to bypass the green baby’s stand of part 6.
I’m happy to be proved wrong, I’m just a little confused on the reasoning here, I’m sure I’m missing something simple that makes my argument invalid.
If gojo can’t see stands then he won’t even know that a pink piñata was ripping it open and would just think that infinity was broken by a finger nail
He need to charge it, and he also need a horse to perform its.
Gojo when gojo lapse blue
Thanks for the power scaling and the video
Bebe (I'm dying alone) wake up new Metas video dropped
Johnny is literally the perfect gojo counter, that man is about to be turned to spaghetti
Tusk would clear but I'll watch.
One massive problem with johnny here is that he directly needs a moving horse to utilize tusk act 4, and in a battle where your enemy can exceed the speed of sound, that horse is moving pretty slow in comparison
You could argue that in the last chapter in part 7 Johnny can hold the energy into the steel balls and summon ta4. Now i don't know if he would still have the same powers as if Johnny used a horse. Some ppl I've seen think when ta4 is used there he just doesn't have that infinite super spin energy but in how i saw part 7 the acts represent the strength of the spinn Johnny uses so it would've been an interesting point to make in the video about how Johnny at the end uses stored up spin energy with the steel balls to summon a version of act 4 on that coffin.
What if Johnny came with a horse fight and fired a tusk 4 shot and Gojo used infinite void Johnny hides in a hole of tusk3
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i thought the horse was necessary because johnny cant walk to get the momentum needed. now that i think about it even if he cant run as fast as the horse to get the needed momentum he can glide with his nail.
This is post part 7, he has his legs back
One thing you guys forgot only stand users can see other stands so gojo woudnt see tusk act 1-4
I feel it would be fair to say "six eyes can pick up the movement of stand"
@@cyrus8886This is not true we literally see Killer Queen get destroyed by spirits in Part 4.
I have an idea as well can you make videos on other series and give the characters stands thatll fit them known or made up ones, and abilities for each.
If jojo gets a single shot off it’s over for gojo. His only option is to hollow purple the bizarre man currently aggressively riding a horse at him the second he can or he’s gojo, the rotated one
one red and he’s losing his legs again
Johnny would see GoJo gloating about his power Johnny be like sure…. Act 4
what i learn from this is that...Bassically Gojo just needs to not play around with his food and give johnny enough prep time to do his things or hes dead
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About to open gojo up like a chip bag
Ta4 would give gojo the Valentines treatment
You should do a "second episode" of this where it's JoJolion Josuke vs Gojo
In a nutshell gojo will be like "Wow another weakling they can't even stand for themselves" and Johnny will summon Act 4 and gojo uses infinity infinity gets popped open like a soda can and the valentine beatdown from steel ball run happens
spinning pink refrigerator vs human kit kat
Tusk: Want a SpriteGojo?
I cant belive that after a hole video people's argument is still only tusk act 4 how is this possible
1 act three bullet is heatseeking into Gojos heart. And bro, Gojo Rct not gonna matter against Tusk Act 4 bro, his cells gonna spin and hes gonna crumble. No cursed technique is saving him nor being fired.
If I may ask what about Johnny standing using tusk 4 giving his legs the golden spiral basically replacing the horse at lest I think that is how that works
That’s not how the story has shown infinite spin working like that.
tusk won't work on gojo's infinity because it's not a real barrier but refereed to as such to simplify it, its not a real barrier because it does prevent people from moving through the space, instead it makes the space they have to travel infinitely big
Love train isnt a real barrier either, its literally all space, not a single physical object is in there
Guess what happened to live train
One thing I've always been confused about when it comes to JoJo's vs conversation
Is why do people act like a stands speed stats apply to the user.
Like why do people believe jotaro is FTL, from what I've understood from reading the manga and watching the anime is that he isn't FTL star platinum is and jotaro simply has the speed of a normal human or slightly above.
If we include the weird stand jump esc thing they do in part 3 counts then wouldn't his stand then be occupied thus not allowing him to use it for combat
Would appreciate a explanation
Single photons are smaller enough to bypass but light is also waves and light waves are large enough for infinity to block
Lightwaves at the end of the day are photons, they dont need to stick together to create light, they just need to be decently high in density
I think act three and up wins simply for the fact that Johnny can just put himself in a nail wormhole to avoid big attack such as Gojo's DE or his hollow purple. Haven't watched far into the video so I'll just edit this when Meta's says what I said lol
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Not sure if it even matters but would would IV work on tusk act 4 itself?
I don't think it would lobotomize it
But Johny would suffer from it and get lobotomized instead
Thumbnail is incredibly hard
The amount of gojo d r is unfathomable lmao
Atomic bomb vs crying baby ahh fight
Spin to win baby(assuming he doesnt get speed blitzed of course)
Tusk getting blitzed by the former king of the Mach 3 verse?!
least disingenuous jojo glazer
@@jackaboynaylor9273 Damn we acting like Johnny can’t just be killed by a glock easily.
I’m gonna be honest depending on which gojo we are talking about the only way Johnny wins is if he can even survive long enough to get act 4. And then again if gojo just kills the horse Johnny just gets destroyed. The only way he wins if is he gets act 4 but if gojo decides to just boom red or even blue Johnny is cooked. Cause overall Johnny is still a human with human durability 😐
Real answer: neither of them. Both of them are dead.
What would happen if gojo was a chill guy and let johnny prepare: Gojo: yowaim- oh what the fuc-!! (A pink refrigerator being controlled by a crippled is breaking through his infinity).
he gave him a whole month for sukuna to train with ten Shadows
Could've saved many lives if he just fought him on the spot
@cyrus8886 if that did happen (I haven't really read much of the manga) then Gojo is starting to sound very arrogant and kinda dumb for the overpowered character he is to me.
I think the more amusing (though maybe slightly boring) battle would have been Gojo vs Green Baby and Green Green Grass of Home.
Would just like to point out, Gojo can't see stands
Imagine seeing a crippled man suddenly stand up and next thing you know u hear a faint CHU MIN befor you are sent to heaven
In this scenario he can
Domains cannot detect induvidial without cursed energy, how is it an win con ?
use common sense brother it's not a long shot to assume johnny has the same level of cursed energy as an average human in this scenario
@sapphicjade6375 that common sense is highly mostly select scenerios, we simply cannot assume that this fight will take part in jjk verse, let alone assuming humans in jjba would function same as humans in jjk in terms of cursed energy deposit.
As long as we know, he does not have any.
Telling that he has because that is common sense also would be "Head Canon"
@sapphicjade6375 just to make a win con for gojo, we cannot give certain powers to select characters.
That would be "meat riding" in terms of old school.
İn short, giving Johnny cursed enegy is same as giving stand ability to gojo.
@nov_Dio ur a clown lol I'm not gonna argue with u anymore
@nov_Dio assuming that anyone outside of jjk verse would have 0 cursed energy is a huge leap in logic
I think Rohan dealt with something like Infinite Void once.
TLDR gojo starts spinning. He loses because bro is dizzyyyyy😵💫😵💫😵💫
What's the song in the intro?
Wait wait, can’t Johnny use Tusk act 4 without the horse? (I know that the infinite spin thingy cannot be used without the perfect rotation, without horse) just asking if he can use it without horse?
It’s weird, like kinda but it’s just act two/three
The thing is, something I believe people don't take into account and METAs mentions, is that Johnny needs to CHARGE the ability with the horse if he can't it's kind of over. Because Johnny himself isn't really powerful unlike Gojo, so I can really understand how Johnny would probably lose more than win simply because he can't just freely use his TA4 although, GER on the other hand...
GER is too poorly-defined to really say anything about. You can no limits fallacy it so it can erase any amount of events it likes, and therefore it's a god that can shape the universe to its whims if it wanted to.
Or you can not do that because that's obviously stupid and part 6 would never work if Pucci can never activate MIH because Giorno's stand said "NO." from the next country over.
And at that point - what's the limit? Even if it's something reasonable like it must be something that's going to harm Giorno, that means GER can't turn off Infinity.
If we consider both characters peaked out then rotation is charged automatically
Doesn't he only need the horse for Golden Spin which seems to be different than Infinite Spin. Might be wrong there though.
@@BaIdEagIenot how he fights in character
@@randomyoutuber2633for him to get the infinite spin that broke through love train and time stop he needs the horse.
WHATS THE INTRO MUSIC META 😭😭😭
Family guy solos jjk though
would gojo really see a disabled man on a horse riding towards him as a threat
Tusk act 4 is going to fold him like a lawn chair
24s is crazy
We gotta put Joseph Joestar in one of these matchups (he prolly gets bodied but still)
" arigato gyro. "
It would have been cooler to see a d4cLT vs Gojo
Go/jo is getting bodied.
25:18 lol a funny ass thing to hear
Well johnny was able to live and fight just fine without his legs, whereas gojo folded immediately