If you roll with the common theory that Cioccolata was supposed to be Fugo a lot of things start to click for that entire fight along with how Giorno disposed of him. Even Diavolo's description of Cioccolata has a lot of eerie parallels with Fugo along with how Green Day works similarly to Purple Haze.
@@METAsMETAsIt really does! And it would even recontextualize that whole opening gag where Fugo and Narancia are about to kill each other over math homework as foreshadowing to his eventual betrayal than just his past.
@@METAsMETAsin my opinion I don't think Fugo was replaced by Cioccolata, I think he was replaced by Notorious B.I.G Cioccolata has good amount of backstory for a character that was "supposedly" added last minute and on top of that he has Secco with a complete separate character with him, that sound a bit too much of work for supposedly a character that was added last minute On top of that Green Day is less deadly than Purple Haze, I feel like if PH would replace Green Day in that fight you have to change a lot of its structure for it to work which again sound like a lot of work for a character added last minute Notorious B.I.G on the other hand? Is really simple and doesn't have much relevance outside his one fight even Araki said he created him so Trish can beat someone, and when you think about it? Trish counters Purple Haze too, spice girl can stop PH from popping off and unleashing his virus and on top of that a closed off plane is the perfect set up for Purple Haze to be at it's most deadly and it justifies why Fugo remained with them that long, because he believed his chances to win in a closed plane is 100% , that is until Trish reveal her stand that counters him TLDR : Cioccolata didn't replace Fugo because there are too much going on with him to be believed as just a "replacement character" unlike Notorious B.I.G that I can imagine being replaced by Fugo and story still works
@@Timmy-mi2ef Both can be true. Even if it is the best, Araki would be so depressed, I can’t think of any reason he wouldn’t just quit(at least for Shonen Junp).
@@justinn8541akaDrPokemon It's confirmed that Fugo was planned to be the traitor, he scrap this because at the time he was depressed and didn't want to see friends kill each other.
That's not terribly surprising, nor was it really because of fatigue. It was just because the story Araki set out to tell in the very beginning ended with Part 3. You can tell that the Stand Arrow saga is a lot more disjointed than the Stone Mask or Alternate Universe sagas, and that's because with the latter two he had the whole thing more or less planned out from the beginning, where as Parts 4, 5, and 6 mainly exist because his editors asked for more Jojo's.
bro wdym "so early on" 😭😭😭 he's been grinding jojos every week for litteral years at this point, of course he would get fatigued my ass can't even do something for months without some kind of fatigue
On a tangential note to Araki changing his mind on how heroic female stand users can be a thing when fighting men, I feel like Trish was his precursor to the wider exploration of that in Part 6. Her role was originally more of a MacGuffin in getting to the boss (not as a detriment to the story imo since the audience realizes along with Bruno + Narancia how she's an actual person worth something), but expanded into actually fighting and being important in some of the battles once she got Spice Girl. Not as concrete since I don't think this was ever said in an interview explicitly or anything, but I think the throughline is there. Also, in terms of questioning what the ending parts of Golden Wind could have been like, there's the distinct possibility of Polnareff not being reintroduced considering there actually are interviews of Araki saying how people wanted him to return in part 4 and how he originally didn't plan on bringing him back even while writing Part 5 initially before changing his mind (Shueisha Jump Remix Part 3 Volume 11 + Jojo 6251) I still love Golden Wind as it is now in any case and I feel like Araki bringing himself up from his own darkness makes the actual light at the end of the part all the more satisfying. Later Edit: Just learned/remembered that Notorious B.I.G. also wasn’t even a stand Araki originally had in mind due to the events influencing the stand being much more recent than other planning, and in Jojoveller specifically noted how he had B.I.G. introduced to give Trish a stand to fight, so take that as you will lol.
for me i kinda feel a thick sense of burnout during P5. but i still love what we got out of the anime. it's this crispy texture feeling of satisfaction i get out of it that i love having in a few other late-90's media like with Zelda OoT. i suppose they could be counted as some of the immediate successors just after DB had ended.... if what i just put down makes sense at all
The Giorno being female makes so much sense. His full name is Giorno Giovann(A) a femine version of Giovanni. Whether intentionally or unintentionally Giorno was left with his previous feminine version of his name.
Honestly, Part 5 is already one of the darker parts despite how.. flamboyant its visual style is. It's only a few degrees removed from horror at times and I think not enough people appreciate that.
I always felt that the Stands in Part 5 had the most body horror and even the most goriest Stand fights. It was such a disturbing contrast to Part 4 which was more lighthearted in hindsight until Kira appears. This really supports the idea more that Part 5 was meant to be a lot darker in hindsight.
Seriously part 4 light hearted? We are talking about the stand that literally makes you puke your innards in order to cleanse them, with the most body horror the series had ever seen at that point
@@JustAnotherSomeDudeslice of life my ass theres a man eating a dog alive, a rat with a stand that makes a family turns into a Giant cube of flash and goo THAT IS STILL ALLIVE Someone getting melted by the same rat alive agsin
i have a suspicion that ciocolatta fight was original indented to be a fight against traitor fugo (both of their stands having huge range and "melting" people) which would mean that fugo was supposed to be killed by the 7 page muda
Man Araki really went through alot just to do something he liked the most. The more I uncover these stuff about Araki and JoJo's I grew more fond of them :)
I never thought about it like this until now, but JoJo briefly becoming THE flagship manga in Jump during late Part 4-Part 5 is probably why Part 5 is the most recognizable part outside of Part 3. It was both one of the easiest to market (self-contained action-drama about a teenage boy who eventually goes his universe's Super Saiyan) and was there when soon-to-be popular manga were just getting their footing.
Honestly I'm glad we got male Giorno. The androgynous male fashion is probably my favorite style out of all the parts and it really inspired me to open up my view of masculinity, honestly. Most of Part 5's gang is heterosexual (it's obvious with Mista and Narancia, at least) and yet they still slay so hard. Not saying homosaxuality can't be masculine, but the whole thing really just destigmatized interesting, hot fashion for males for me. Their style is not connected at all to weakness or anything like that, far from that, they might be the most badass JoJo squad in general. And we got a kickass female JoJo in the next part anyways, so it's a win-win.
Yeah. It’s always given me the impression that JoJo is unique in portraying strong male heterosexual male characters in my feminine outfits. It just shows that there is beauty in both worlds. And fashion and looks have no boundaries.
I wonder if Part 9 is going to have Araki revisit the darker parts of his original Golden Wind idea given how currently it has a lot of Golden Wind vibes.
I wonder if the choice of the mafia for part 5 was Araki's subconscious showing how he felt at the time and then part 6 being in a prison. When he switches to ultra jump part 7 takes place in the wild-west and goes across all of America sort of embodying freedom.
I think that we wouldve gotten the modern version of king crimson no matter what as he kind of needs a mouth and more expressive features. This being the case as Diavolo is often obscured and uses KC as sort of his persona up untill he is revealed
I always thought part 5 were a test just to pull out a masterpiece in the next parts, but now i see araki very differently, the love in his work is insane and I'm all for it. very good video bro, keep up the good work
He’s indeed naranciaversal, naranpotent and naranawesome, i wholeheartedly agree with this🔥 But imma be fr chat, Narancia’s one of the most well written characters i have ever come across, there’s just so many complexities that come with his personality and character GRAHHHH i can yap about his character all day, but yeah 😭
I understand that Araki didn't want to make Fugo a traitor. I create comics in my free time and as you draw the characters, write their stories, their relationships with other characters, it's as if you're watching your own child grow up. Sometimes you plan for your character to die, or plan for them to kill someone and ruin their childlike innocence and you just can't bring yourself to let the characters do that.
Interesting as a female Giorno could have been, I think the final version is a lot more unique. Going with the gangster/cartel theme, a female protagonist would have likely become a classical action girl, which for the time was very rare but nowadays it's not exactly uncommon. Meanwhile, a male protagonist with heavy feminine undertones like Giorno has hardly been explored even 20 years after Golden Wind.
i mean im over here looking at Jolyne and she's a complete weirdo so idk where this idea that Araki would write a generic action girl protag is coming from
Bruh this is a sad truth about getting with a big company u get noticed but then sooner or later it’s like u sold ur soul akira toriyama didn’t plan for super to exist but then evolution came out N man was like i have to fix this mistake that was done to my child
He ended up initially disappointed with Super's initial animation problems and first came back on for the Battle of Gods and then Resurrection F movies, which of course had a lot more production time. Thankfully, things ended up in a good place for him by his standards with how he warmed up on Super's anime, continued helping with the manga, and getting even more involved than usual in movies like Superhero and especially Daima.
@@gionny03 I'm aware, just saying Toriyama had issues how Super started For actual reference, from Dragon Ball 30th Anni "Super History Book" from January 2016 "I had put Dragon Ball behind me, but seeing how much that live-action film ticked me off, and how I revised that script for the anime movie and complained about the quality of the TV anime, I suppose somewhere along the line it’s become a series I like too much to ever leave alone." Could have been his dissatisfaction with how the original Z anime or Kai portrayed Goku more heroic than he wanted, but could be interpreted as early Super given he's bringing up modern products at the time.
0:57 Yo Meta's you said in the desc we could ask you in the comments for music links, so I was wondering what is the song called for the music you use in your intro? I've been wondering for a while now. Thanks in advance.
Through it all, I really appreciate the challenges that came about with how Araki intended Part 5 to be vs. what he finalized. Through darkness was light. I won't go too deep into it here, but for me? Part 5 is what I consider to be perfection. I'm glad it turned out the way it did.
I'm actually feeling bad for liking Part 5 as much as I do now because like, actual real human suffering went into making it. And a kind of suffering I'm personally horrified of, no less - the lapse of one's artistry.
Enemies prior to Fugo leaving the group: amoral villains trying to get what they regardless of casualties and some even have camaraderie. Enemies after Fugo leaves the group: villains who rely on heroes’ inexplicably dismal of someone wrong, a villain who dies yet not die while getting the Anubis treatment, Part 3 villains given an edgier upgrade, and pink Kars who fumbles everything. Chariot Requiem is something I’d see more common in part 3 or 4 rather than the penultimate fight
Dude, I read almost all of Jojo's in context along with other Shonen Jump mangas. Rurouni Kenshin had more than half of it left. It was right in the middle of its most popular arc, the Kyoto Arc. I don't doubt that Jojo was the Flagship title, but Rurouni Kenshin was at the very height of it's popularity when Part 5 started.
14:53 Maybe that's why the first villain in part 8 has a Beach Boy reference and the main character has a Prince reference...since he was using old ideas in the parallel universe, maybe Pesci being the first villain was a scrapped idea
if you read the interview answer on screen he doesnt say pesci is the first villain he created, he said pesci is the one hes most fond of. METAs read it wrong.
Giorno's run was darkest. I was going through shit at the time the anime came up, so it fit to my schedule with its nuances. Previous stories are some you could come up for ttrpg games, being bit tongue in cheek. I don't know how it is in online ttrpgs really, but the fun is what I play for. Games and anime. I think that as the show shook up as it went on, it made it more real. Real things don't follow script.
Editors: wont let Araki release a fucking MASTERPIECE! Editors: Will let P(happy word)n be animated that will never be watched and will only come back as karma.
Takes a lot of pressure to make a diamond. Despite how Araki was feeling when writing it and all the backstage drama with the editorializing I really think Part 5 is his best work, not only does it have the most interestig stands and fights but I also think it's his most thematically coherent story and climax.
Things like these and Togashi When bleach and Naruto were ending in early 2010s and Oda got sick around that time Shonen jump gave him power and later made him compulsory to take break every 3 chapter cuz they didn't want their main star to stop and made his choice over editor that's why modern day One piece editor are nothing but yes boys
Part 5 is the part that feels the most like a lot of ideas were left on the cutting room floor and never realized. Doubly so with Giorno's entire character, like how his Dio descendance is completely irrelevant to the story, how little of his character is actually explored after Polpo's death and how he ends as this big Gary Stu that's just able to solve things and inspire people magically.
@@ravaniphoenix5431 For me it's Jonathan. Yes he is absolutely necessary and I appreciate him, but ultimately he's pretty one note and mid as a standalone character imo.
For your "The Most Terrifying Stands" series, you should add Bohemian Rhapsody because imagine coming to bro and he pulls up with goku would be wild as the stands ability is to be able to summon/bring to life any character from fiction so if you were to make idk light yagami with this death note come to life... that would kinda OP
I dislike how you keep implying that editors making changes is stricktly a bad thing. It is not. I think MHA for example could have used a VERY overwhelming editor. Or like how the MAIN PLOT THREAD OF NARUTO for example was added by an editor. Editors like many things in life are necesarry but need to be used correctly.
@@METAsMETAs I could tell from the video, but as I said in my original comment: they are often necesarry as some authors just go crazy without them (in a bad way). Or just make a plainly bad story. There are times when the art/vision is just bad. Refer to what I said above.
@@Yaboi-hnot to seem like I'm meat riding or anything, but by this time he didn't need somebody to hover over him like they did. he says it himself if anything I gave them more credit then Araki did.
It was definitely one of the most darkest parts, in fact the most dark. Even after Fugo's betrayal there was a kid Diavolo literally closed his mouth shut and let him bleed out from his wrist, unable to call for help. I can see how it made Araki sick to his stomach, it's horrible.
another thing that, oddly enough believe it or not, Fugo being such a hot topic, he was also my second favorite character in part 5 behind Giorno himself. for once we see the most realistic reaction to something wild that happened our main characters. if i was in Fugo's shoes, i honestly don't think I would've done any different. my fear, and comfort with what we have going for us, would also probably sway me to stand back and keep going with what i have been doing.
I would love to have seen Girl Giorno strangle the life out of Melone. But on the whole, I do think the Vento Aureo we got is better than the darker "original" version, and I'm glad Araki moved on from Shonen Jump.
Y'know, funnily enough when I first found out about Golden Wind's existence (this was before the anime was out), I thought Giorno was a girl and I thought they were the first female Joestar. That's because I initially thought his first name to be "Giovanna" (which is a female name here in Italy) and later down the line I discovered that the character's name was actually Giorno and he was a guy. Interesting to know what Araki's original plans were and it's also interesting to think he might've actually kept "Giovanna" as a reminder of that.
Maybe Araki made Giorno's surname "Giovanna" as a remenent from when he wanted to be female. It's a common girl's name in Italy and the English equivalent of "Joanna".
2 minutes into the video, its sad that Araki got exhausted of writing JoJo's before part 5, because despite that, it's my favorite part out of all them. Giorno is also my favorite JoJo. he's just focused on his goal to the core and i feel thats something i have slowly grown into myself finally, after wasting so much time in my 24 years on this life, in my opinion.
Perhaps I'm looking too much into it, but hearing how down Araki was before bouncing back makes me think of Bruno's goodbye to Giorno at the end. As Bruno said, He was Reborn. He was dead, but Giorno brought him back to life
It's interesting to hear you just outright call int "Gay Fashion". It's almost alien to the ear people don't want to out right just call it what it is anymore that they come up with all kinds of ways around it.
I find it so interesting that during all of the early parts where Araki was unsure of how to really write women, he ended up just kinda making them all bossy like lol Like Erina in part two and Lisa Lisa both beat the shit outta Joseph and boss em around most of the time, and early Trish was also a bit "Bossy" though different, and even Giorno and Anasui are kind of cold yet confident when they were both originally gonna be female. Idk it just feels like a lil bit of a trend
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Quick note, I totally forgot about fugo’s dark/convoluted backstory here, so yeah there’s even more lore😭😭😭
There’s always lore and this why I quit my job making comics for some publishers
If you roll with the common theory that Cioccolata was supposed to be Fugo a lot of things start to click for that entire fight along with how Giorno disposed of him.
Even Diavolo's description of Cioccolata has a lot of eerie parallels with Fugo along with how Green Day works similarly to Purple Haze.
@@alcatrazvongola I didn’t know about this. That kinda makes sense
@@METAsMETAsIt really does! And it would even recontextualize that whole opening gag where Fugo and Narancia are about to kill each other over math homework as foreshadowing to his eventual betrayal than just his past.
@@METAsMETAsin my opinion I don't think Fugo was replaced by Cioccolata, I think he was replaced by Notorious B.I.G
Cioccolata has good amount of backstory for a character that was "supposedly" added last minute and on top of that he has Secco with a complete separate character with him, that sound a bit too much of work for supposedly a character that was added last minute
On top of that Green Day is less deadly than Purple Haze, I feel like if PH would replace Green Day in that fight you have to change a lot of its structure for it to work which again sound like a lot of work for a character added last minute
Notorious B.I.G on the other hand? Is really simple and doesn't have much relevance outside his one fight even Araki said he created him so Trish can beat someone, and when you think about it? Trish counters Purple Haze too, spice girl can stop PH from popping off and unleashing his virus and on top of that a closed off plane is the perfect set up for Purple Haze to be at it's most deadly and it justifies why Fugo remained with them that long, because he believed his chances to win in a closed plane is 100% , that is until Trish reveal her stand that counters him
TLDR : Cioccolata didn't replace Fugo because there are too much going on with him to be believed as just a "replacement character" unlike Notorious B.I.G that I can imagine being replaced by Fugo and story still works
I’m feel like if Araki somehow made Fugo a traitor, along with writing the darker stuff he originally planned for, Golden Wind would be the last part.
Did u mistype best
I get what u mean. Have a bad habit of reading comments first
@@Timmy-mi2ef Both can be true. Even if it is the best, Araki would be so depressed, I can’t think of any reason he wouldn’t just quit(at least for Shonen Junp).
@@justinn8541akaDrPokemon
It's confirmed that Fugo was planned to be the traitor, he scrap this because at the time he was depressed and didn't want to see friends kill each other.
@@il3fortunato664 I know. My hypothetcal is if Araki did his original vision, it might have been his last work because of how depressing it would be.
METAs saying that he’s Hispanic is the biggest twist in this video
LMFAOOOOO gracias
I had no clue Araki wanted to end at part 3, I'm glad he didn't, but it is sad he had fatigue from it so early on
That's not terribly surprising, nor was it really because of fatigue. It was just because the story Araki set out to tell in the very beginning ended with Part 3. You can tell that the Stand Arrow saga is a lot more disjointed than the Stone Mask or Alternate Universe sagas, and that's because with the latter two he had the whole thing more or less planned out from the beginning, where as Parts 4, 5, and 6 mainly exist because his editors asked for more Jojo's.
part 3 does make sense as the part that was originally going to be the ending with dio dead.
bro wdym "so early on" 😭😭😭
he's been grinding jojos every week for litteral years at this point, of course he would get fatigued
my ass can't even do something for months without some kind of fatigue
@@thedctrI'm glad he's on a monthly schedule now
@@thedctr you right, i didn't think that far. But in terms of how long jjba has been coming out that is early
On a tangential note to Araki changing his mind on how heroic female stand users can be a thing when fighting men, I feel like Trish was his precursor to the wider exploration of that in Part 6. Her role was originally more of a MacGuffin in getting to the boss (not as a detriment to the story imo since the audience realizes along with Bruno + Narancia how she's an actual person worth something), but expanded into actually fighting and being important in some of the battles once she got Spice Girl. Not as concrete since I don't think this was ever said in an interview explicitly or anything, but I think the throughline is there.
Also, in terms of questioning what the ending parts of Golden Wind could have been like, there's the distinct possibility of Polnareff not being reintroduced considering there actually are interviews of Araki saying how people wanted him to return in part 4 and how he originally didn't plan on bringing him back even while writing Part 5 initially before changing his mind (Shueisha Jump Remix Part 3 Volume 11 + Jojo 6251)
I still love Golden Wind as it is now in any case and I feel like Araki bringing himself up from his own darkness makes the actual light at the end of the part all the more satisfying.
Later Edit:
Just learned/remembered that Notorious B.I.G. also wasn’t even a stand Araki originally had in mind due to the events influencing the stand being much more recent than other planning, and in Jojoveller specifically noted how he had B.I.G. introduced to give Trish a stand to fight, so take that as you will lol.
for me i kinda feel a thick sense of burnout during P5. but i still love what we got out of the anime. it's this crispy texture feeling of satisfaction i get out of it that i love having in a few other late-90's media like with Zelda OoT. i suppose they could be counted as some of the immediate successors just after DB had ended.... if what i just put down makes sense at all
The Giorno being female makes so much sense. His full name is Giorno Giovann(A) a femine version of Giovanni. Whether intentionally or unintentionally Giorno was left with his previous feminine version of his name.
OG King Crimson's sketch looks like something out of a horror AU.
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Cool 😎 @@veaceslavstoianov4378
@@veaceslavstoianov4378Oh this is why everyone agrees on King Crimson Requiem's design
@@tailpig6417 Yes it's a good design
Honestly, Part 5 is already one of the darker parts despite how.. flamboyant its visual style is. It's only a few degrees removed from horror at times and I think not enough people appreciate that.
Araki starting to draw for Part 5: Yeah so... female lead, blonde, very cool... Aaand pineapple looking dude, yep looking good.
A few years later
"Disney, I know what I'm gonna do today!"
I always felt that the Stands in Part 5 had the most body horror and even the most goriest Stand fights. It was such a disturbing contrast to Part 4 which was more lighthearted in hindsight until Kira appears.
This really supports the idea more that Part 5 was meant to be a lot darker in hindsight.
Kinda funny how part 4 was all about murder mystery and serial killers while part 5 was about being a gang star
Seriously part 4 light hearted? We are talking about the stand that literally makes you puke your innards in order to cleanse them, with the most body horror the series had ever seen at that point
@@thechugg4372Not disagreeing, but I think the overall mood is much more slice of life, and I really enjoy looking at it like that
part 6 was all of the darkness araki didn't use for part 5 but misused
@@JustAnotherSomeDudeslice of life my ass theres a man eating a dog alive, a rat with a stand that makes a family turns into a Giant cube of flash and goo THAT IS STILL ALLIVE Someone getting melted by the same rat alive agsin
After looking at King Crimson's concept design, I can see where the fan made King Crimson Requiem came from
we r so back to yba
@@hereitcomestheatrain No.
@@233jYes
@@hereitcomestheatrain ong
@@hereitcomestheatrainking crimson kono requiem
i have a suspicion that ciocolatta fight was original indented to be a fight against traitor fugo (both of their stands having huge range and "melting" people)
which would mean that fugo was supposed to be killed by the 7 page muda
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Makes sense, that kind of beatdown was meant for a traitor
It really took a huge bastard to fill in those shoes, that makes sense
Fugo wasn't even a traitor though, he just quit being part of the group midway.
@@vn9574araki stated he was going to be a traitor at first but he changed it
Man Araki really went through alot just to do something he liked the most. The more I uncover these stuff about Araki and JoJo's I grew more fond of them :)
I never thought about it like this until now, but JoJo briefly becoming THE flagship manga in Jump during late Part 4-Part 5 is probably why Part 5 is the most recognizable part outside of Part 3.
It was both one of the easiest to market (self-contained action-drama about a teenage boy who eventually goes his universe's Super Saiyan) and was there when soon-to-be popular manga were just getting their footing.
Honestly I'm glad we got male Giorno. The androgynous male fashion is probably my favorite style out of all the parts and it really inspired me to open up my view of masculinity, honestly. Most of Part 5's gang is heterosexual (it's obvious with Mista and Narancia, at least) and yet they still slay so hard. Not saying homosaxuality can't be masculine, but the whole thing really just destigmatized interesting, hot fashion for males for me. Their style is not connected at all to weakness or anything like that, far from that, they might be the most badass JoJo squad in general.
And we got a kickass female JoJo in the next part anyways, so it's a win-win.
Yeah. It’s always given me the impression that JoJo is unique in portraying strong male heterosexual male characters in my feminine outfits. It just shows that there is beauty in both worlds. And fashion and looks have no boundaries.
I wonder if Part 9 is going to have Araki revisit the darker parts of his original Golden Wind idea given how currently it has a lot of Golden Wind vibes.
I wonder if the choice of the mafia for part 5 was Araki's subconscious showing how he felt at the time and then part 6 being in a prison. When he switches to ultra jump part 7 takes place in the wild-west and goes across all of America sort of embodying freedom.
I think that we wouldve gotten the modern version of king crimson no matter what as he kind of needs a mouth and more expressive features. This being the case as Diavolo is often obscured and uses KC as sort of his persona up untill he is revealed
I always thought part 5 were a test just to pull out a masterpiece in the next parts, but now i see araki very differently, the love in his work is insane and I'm all for it. very good video bro, keep up the good work
One Piece must've lifted a large weight off Hirohiko Araki's shoulders carrying Shonen Jump.
that's kinda what i was thinking about as well!! & yeah, one piece started like at exactly GW's halfway point
you should release a video on why narancia is simply just the best character in jjba, and is naranciaversal
He’s indeed naranciaversal, naranpotent and naranawesome, i wholeheartedly agree with this🔥 But imma be fr chat, Narancia’s one of the most well written characters i have ever come across, there’s just so many complexities that come with his personality and character GRAHHHH i can yap about his character all day, but yeah 😭
Meh, he's mostly Naranciannoying in my eyes
I understand that Araki didn't want to make Fugo a traitor. I create comics in my free time and as you draw the characters, write their stories, their relationships with other characters, it's as if you're watching your own child grow up. Sometimes you plan for your character to die, or plan for them to kill someone and ruin their childlike innocence and you just can't bring yourself to let the characters do that.
Interesting as a female Giorno could have been, I think the final version is a lot more unique. Going with the gangster/cartel theme, a female protagonist would have likely become a classical action girl, which for the time was very rare but nowadays it's not exactly uncommon. Meanwhile, a male protagonist with heavy feminine undertones like Giorno has hardly been explored even 20 years after Golden Wind.
I dont see why Giorno as a character would change simply if his gender changed. That’s a pretty basless assumption
i mean im over here looking at Jolyne and she's a complete weirdo so idk where this idea that Araki would write a generic action girl protag is coming from
@@junker-f3m Jolyne is based
rain formerly known as purple at the end
Bruh this is a sad truth about getting with a big company u get noticed but then sooner or later it’s like u sold ur soul akira toriyama didn’t plan for super to exist but then evolution came out N man was like i have to fix this mistake that was done to my child
He ended up initially disappointed with Super's initial animation problems and first came back on for the Battle of Gods and then Resurrection F movies, which of course had a lot more production time.
Thankfully, things ended up in a good place for him by his standards with how he warmed up on Super's anime, continued helping with the manga, and getting even more involved than usual in movies like Superhero and especially Daima.
he didnt even planed cell or buu. he was heald at gun point way before super
Toriyama itself had to accept dbsuper, he had dragon ball copyrights man, he gave the "ok" to create DBSuper, don't forget that
@@gionny03 I know but I’m saying he originally didn’t plan for super but because of evolution he like I don’t want this what people think of my work
@@gionny03 I'm aware, just saying Toriyama had issues how Super started
For actual reference, from Dragon Ball 30th Anni "Super History Book" from January 2016
"I had put Dragon Ball behind me, but seeing how much that live-action film ticked me off, and how I revised that script for the anime movie and complained about the quality of the TV anime, I suppose somewhere along the line it’s become a series I like too much to ever leave alone."
Could have been his dissatisfaction with how the original Z anime or Kai portrayed Goku more heroic than he wanted, but could be interpreted as early Super given he's bringing up modern products at the time.
To put it in short, Let Araki cook
0:57 Yo Meta's you said in the desc we could ask you in the comments for music links, so I was wondering what is the song called for the music you use in your intro? I've been wondering for a while now. Thanks in advance.
Through it all, I really appreciate the challenges that came about with how Araki intended Part 5 to be vs. what he finalized. Through darkness was light.
I won't go too deep into it here, but for me? Part 5 is what I consider to be perfection.
I'm glad it turned out the way it did.
I do like this, it has the feeling I get from concept and beta content from games
I'm actually feeling bad for liking Part 5 as much as I do now because like, actual real human suffering went into making it. And a kind of suffering I'm personally horrified of, no less - the lapse of one's artistry.
Part 6 is as dark as part 5 (if not more)
especially pucci and weathers backstory, possibly the darkest story beat in jojo
Enemies prior to Fugo leaving the group: amoral villains trying to get what they regardless of casualties and some even have camaraderie.
Enemies after Fugo leaves the group: villains who rely on heroes’ inexplicably dismal of someone wrong, a villain who dies yet not die while getting the Anubis treatment, Part 3 villains given an edgier upgrade, and pink Kars who fumbles everything. Chariot Requiem is something I’d see more common in part 3 or 4 rather than the penultimate fight
Truly a golden experience
Dude, I read almost all of Jojo's in context along with other Shonen Jump mangas. Rurouni Kenshin had more than half of it left. It was right in the middle of its most popular arc, the Kyoto Arc.
I don't doubt that Jojo was the Flagship title, but Rurouni Kenshin was at the very height of it's popularity when Part 5 started.
I feel like it should also be noted that KochiKame was still running when Rurouni Kenshin and JoJo Part 5 were still in their runs as well.
@@Random_User666 to be real though i was only thinking battle manga when saying the stuff i did.
@@METAsMETAs what about other series such as Baki and Ippo which were and are weekly action fighting manga about combat sports
14:53
Maybe that's why the first villain in part 8 has a Beach Boy reference and the main character has a Prince reference...since he was using old ideas in the parallel universe, maybe Pesci being the first villain was a scrapped idea
if you read the interview answer on screen he doesnt say pesci is the first villain he created, he said pesci is the one hes most fond of. METAs read it wrong.
Giorno's run was darkest. I was going through shit at the time the anime came up, so it fit to my schedule with its nuances. Previous stories are some you could come up for ttrpg games, being bit tongue in cheek. I don't know how it is in online ttrpgs really, but the fun is what I play for. Games and anime.
I think that as the show shook up as it went on, it made it more real. Real things don't follow script.
i'd like to see videos like this but for other parts or the series as a whole
This is a truthful part of what Araki have been going through even in the situation that he is in of his own psyche.
Can someone give me the link to all of the original part 5 designs, I really wanna see them!
jojowiki.com/Hirohiko_Araki/Gallery and then go down to sketches/concept art
Love the use of Mystery Dungeon music. Also sucks that Araki was so limited, but at least he got out of that darker mindset of his lifestyle.
A man of culture, using 'The Rain Formerly Known as Purple' in your music background.
This explains why part 9 is the darkest so far, probably cause what he's doing now is what he wanted to do in part 5
never seen one of ur vids but that intro earned u a sub hands down, that walk w me run the notification bell
Editors: wont let Araki release a fucking MASTERPIECE!
Editors: Will let P(happy word)n be animated that will never be watched and will only come back as karma.
soo basically original golden wind is the jojolands?
Technically speaking, kinda?
Takes a lot of pressure to make a diamond. Despite how Araki was feeling when writing it and all the backstage drama with the editorializing I really think Part 5 is his best work, not only does it have the most interestig stands and fights but I also think it's his most thematically coherent story and climax.
Also, I like the both original manga and anime Giorno Giovanna they’re both perfect.
not the risk of rain music in the background 😭😭😭
Great vid!Keep up the good work
20:40 Jesus Ghiaccio be looking like a fear and hunger character
Things like these and Togashi
When bleach and Naruto were ending in early 2010s and Oda got sick around that time
Shonen jump gave him power and later made him compulsory to take break every 3 chapter cuz they didn't want their main star to stop and made his choice over editor that's why modern day One piece editor are nothing but yes boys
metas always be cooking
Part 5 is the part that feels the most like a lot of ideas were left on the cutting room floor and never realized. Doubly so with Giorno's entire character, like how his Dio descendance is completely irrelevant to the story, how little of his character is actually explored after Polpo's death and how he ends as this big Gary Stu that's just able to solve things and inspire people magically.
Worst Jojo easily
@@Twkoutnuh uh
@@Luckykougga Who would you say is the worst Jojo, then? Gappy? Jodio not included, since he just getting started, obviously.
@@Luckykougga who's your least favorite?
@@ravaniphoenix5431 For me it's Jonathan. Yes he is absolutely necessary and I appreciate him, but ultimately he's pretty one note and mid as a standalone character imo.
The part that surprised me is that they were supposed to kill fugo “mob style” which we can all imagine how dark that woulda been
00:39 who took the picture?
Hermit purple
DIO!!
personally, i feel like part 5 has become the icon, the head of the series, but idk
For your "The Most Terrifying Stands" series, you should add Bohemian Rhapsody because imagine coming to bro and he pulls up with goku would be wild as the stands ability is to be able to summon/bring to life any character from fiction so if you were to make idk light yagami with this death note come to life... that would kinda OP
What's the song playing at around 5:30? Forgot which OST and where it was from lol
He just told me! It's persona reverie
@@jaden-cc5vp Thanks :)
It’s from P4
Concept!King Crimson is making me want a Araki/Clive Barker collaboration.
So, he basically intended part 5 to be super dark like, say, Berserk? Because that seems to be the vibe I'm getting from this.
Not that dark, think about like 25% of that, at most
Of course Araki knows villians. He is a vampire who doesn't age.
Fire video but what's the music that starts playing at 3:32 I've always wanted to know?
Persona 4 reverie!
@@METAsMETAs I love you thank you
16:40 I hope "pretty much the same" wouldn't include the boob window.
Great video!
I dislike how you keep implying that editors making changes is stricktly a bad thing. It is not. I think MHA for example could have used a VERY overwhelming editor. Or like how the MAIN PLOT THREAD OF NARUTO for example was added by an editor. Editors like many things in life are necesarry but need to be used correctly.
I fucking hate nosey ass editors man. They’re the equivalent to the corpo’s lap dogs. They kill the art and the vision.
@@METAsMETAs I could tell from the video, but as I said in my original comment: they are often necesarry as some authors just go crazy without them (in a bad way). Or just make a plainly bad story. There are times when the art/vision is just bad. Refer to what I said above.
@@Yaboi-hnot to seem like I'm meat riding or anything, but by this time he didn't need somebody to hover over him like they did. he says it himself if anything I gave them more credit then Araki did.
@@METAsMETAs fair, Araki is a GOAT although part 6 in my opinion was unhinged enough to need more editor's input
It was definitely one of the most darkest parts, in fact the most dark. Even after Fugo's betrayal there was a kid Diavolo literally closed his mouth shut and let him bleed out from his wrist, unable to call for help. I can see how it made Araki sick to his stomach, it's horrible.
@13:30 In other words one could say the author themselves became the character's golden wind.
Where did u get the Araki comments about the part and especially the paragraph when he talked about evil, id love to read the rest of it! 👀
Golden wind bunko on the jojowiki
@@METAsMETAs thank you!!
Hope you'll have a good day
another thing that, oddly enough believe it or not, Fugo being such a hot topic, he was also my second favorite character in part 5 behind Giorno himself. for once we see the most realistic reaction to something wild that happened our main characters. if i was in Fugo's shoes, i honestly don't think I would've done any different. my fear, and comfort with what we have going for us, would also probably sway me to stand back and keep going with what i have been doing.
I would love to have seen Girl Giorno strangle the life out of Melone.
But on the whole, I do think the Vento Aureo we got is better than the darker "original" version, and I'm glad Araki moved on from Shonen Jump.
Y'know, funnily enough when I first found out about Golden Wind's existence (this was before the anime was out), I thought Giorno was a girl and I thought they were the first female Joestar. That's because I initially thought his first name to be "Giovanna" (which is a female name here in Italy) and later down the line I discovered that the character's name was actually Giorno and he was a guy. Interesting to know what Araki's original plans were and it's also interesting to think he might've actually kept "Giovanna" as a reminder of that.
Ooooohhhhhh after your post i was expecting a viddo about d'arby 😅 but this one was awesome!
:if you have to choose 1 stand which one you choose king crimson or soft and wet go beyond
Maybe Araki made Giorno's surname "Giovanna" as a remenent from when he wanted to be female. It's a common girl's name in Italy and the English equivalent of "Joanna".
on god the persona 2 music
2 minutes into the video, its sad that Araki got exhausted of writing JoJo's before part 5, because despite that, it's my favorite part out of all them. Giorno is also my favorite JoJo. he's just focused on his goal to the core and i feel thats something i have slowly grown into myself finally, after wasting so much time in my 24 years on this life, in my opinion.
Akira Toriyama the Goat.
Im glad that jojo didn't end at part 3 since we would never have another series like this
Perhaps I'm looking too much into it, but hearing how down Araki was before bouncing back makes me think of Bruno's goodbye to Giorno at the end.
As Bruno said, He was Reborn. He was dead, but Giorno brought him back to life
It's interesting to hear you just outright call int "Gay Fashion".
It's almost alien to the ear people don't want to out right just call
it what it is anymore that they come up with all kinds of ways around it.
The Risk of Rain music at the end 👌
I find it so interesting that during all of the early parts where Araki was unsure of how to really write women, he ended up just kinda making them all bossy like lol
Like Erina in part two and Lisa Lisa both beat the shit outta Joseph and boss em around most of the time, and early Trish was also a bit "Bossy" though different, and even Giorno and Anasui are kind of cold yet confident when they were both originally gonna be female. Idk it just feels like a lil bit of a trend
12:33 probably watching things related to Hannibal Lecter (the eating brain matter part gives it away)
What i really listen to when im at the gym
Araki was in his darkest days...now Part 5 being the best makes so much more sense
BRO HELP I WAS THINKING TODAY "what if they remade golden wind or if golden wind had an old version"
What is the song in your intro? PLEASE
on your regular videos, doesn't seem to be in this one!
ITS CUSTOM MADE😭 I will drop soon tho
@@METAsMETAs I WILL PAY TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESS I NEED IT
maybe the golden wind was the friends we lost along the way
Metas I gotta know man what's the song in the into fr
Musi that starts in 11:00 ??
God bless yall
I wish it was darker maybe then it would have been a good part lol
I wonder why melone was made
21:38 why'd the glitch scare me so much??
I kinda wish he followed though on the darker stuff, would've been different and for that reason much better I feel
Simply, GER rewrote it.
Honestly i came to the video thinking this was related to what happened to giorno when pucci had reset the universe by fast forwarding time.
Giorno being originally conceived as a girl gives the "Giovanna" name even more sense.
Buon Giorno.