40k is Bloated is Age of Sigmar BETTER? | Models and Memories Weekly #20
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- In this episode of Model and Memories Jay talks about his experience playing Warhammer Age of Sigmar, the bloat in Warhammer 40k, and of course he ends the episode with a story! We have new videos every Monday, Wednesday and Friday! We're streaming Monday-Saturday starting at 9PM CST!! JOIN USSSS! Thanks for watching!
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Years ago I gave my mom a mini for christmas... I sculpted a sloth (her favorite animal) out of greenstuff and then built a tree out of wire and sculpted the whole thing into a 60mm base, based it with tiny paper plants painted it. I think she liked it...She was a receptionist for years (retired now) and I remember seeing it on her desk once when I went to pick her up from work. I was kinda surprised to see it displayed so prominently on her desk. She had even bought a display box for it because apparently people kept touching it. I have never given anyone else a mini as a gift because I didn't think it would go over well BUT now that you have jogged this memory I might try it again. This "models and memories" show might be about nothing but it's kinda fun how it has evoked my own memories about minis at times. Thanks!
Re: giving minis as gifts. I'd say it takes thought and effort to get someone the right miniature as a gift. In your example of giving a friend who plays a painted HQ, that means you took the time to think of what works with their army, and what they are missing. For a non-gamer, like my mom, I just would have to consider what she likes. She absolutely loves bears, so if I find a bear miniature or if I 3D print one out and paint it for her, she'd love it (she already has a collection of bear statues). So you CAN give miniatures as gifts to non-gamers, you just need to consider if its good for the receiver or not. If they wouldn't like any miniature, then do something else obv.
Critical gift giving theory . Like the way you think
Regarding miniatures as gift: I think there are circumstances where it's okay. I think if its painted and you put somehow into a scenery it could be a nice gift. So you can give a historical interested person maybe a roman soldier fighting the germans on a field - in this case this might be a appropriate present.
The Eldar have long needed an update, and I'm not even an Eldar player, but things going full circle and being like the Protoss would be perfect. But yes, more content of any wargaming/hobbying y'all decide.
This year, I wanted to get into 40k, and I discovered that a friend of mine had a Warhammer Battle (the ancestor of AoS) army waiting on a shelf for 10 years!! So I became a Sigmar guy, and I'm very happy that you're also getting into this wargame :)
Its too bad they killed off warhammer fantasy, all they needed to do was make some new models
Hey, at least now it's coming back with Old World@@ravener96
I would love more Age of Sigmar, I'm atm painting my vampire army the Blood Knights look amazing. It would also bring some more veriaty for you to paint which is alway a good thing.
I wish 40K had free warscrolls like AoS (AoS app) because than I could look through all the factions and the units to decide which faction I want to start with.
Pro Tip: Battlescribe has free stats for both AoS, 40k, Legion, Etc.
It's simpler because you don't have to think about weapon types and comparing strength/toughness
Yep.. dumbed down for retards who dont enjoy real strategy or skill.
As a Seraphon player myself: joooiiiiiiiin ussssssssss, Jay! We get giant stompy monsters!
Also, age of sigmar has the best warhammer race : the Skaven yes yes.
For "Fear leads to Anger" Yoda is saying when we are afraid we lash out angrily to protect yourself from harm
"Anger leads to Hate" if you harbour enough anger towards someone or something it will lead to you hating it.
"Hate leads to Suffering" is basically saying hate of any kind will make others suffer. Be it you suffering for your hateful actions or others suffering because of you.
I think it totally makes sense, that little green guy is saying project love and positivity and you will receive it in kind and make the world a more loving place.
You guys have quickly become a 4eal favourite of mine keep up the awesome job, you are an awesome part of the community.
Kharadron Overlords are the best. Great lore, models and a joy to paint. Plus they're the closest thing to a 40k flavoured factions in AoS. Get stuck in Jay.
So many units that overlap or are just bad like reivers. Like space marines I never see half of the units in lists. It's usually the same 5 in every army save for a few chapter specific ones
Reivers have their use, but they're not fantastic minis.
@@pinoarias8601 they have their use on a display case
@@pinoarias8601 #phobosrealsoavemarinearmour
Jokes aside, I really like the Phobos, but I agree the reivers could be much better
40k is better because I lost my last two AoS games. So obviously the game is bad because I can’t win, or maybe the game is bad because I’m too good at it. Shit how can I make myself look like a self-centered asshole while simultaneously calling the game bad?
“That’s really jingling my jangles” a catchphrase that should be used more frequently!
Nighthaunt are one of the coolest looking armies GW makes.
I can't tell the miniatures apart. Every unit looks like a bomb went off in a glass factory.
New stuff always breaks the game. It's why Chess and Go remain perfectly(TM) balanced after thousands of years, but 40k is a clusterfuck.
Yeah... About that....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-move_advantage_in_chess
Even League of Legends is better balanced than Chess.
@@patricko9479 Deciding who goes first is random in tournament play, dickhead.
Your hussle is admirable, thank you for putting in so much hard work your content is really upbeat and brightens my day
The Kharadron Overlords might be the strongest army in range combat, with a ton of teleporting anywhere on the map shenanigans to help you capture objectives while keeping a safe distance.
When your jangles get jingled, you know you're having a good time.
I completely understnd what it's like playing against someone who is only interested in winning, it wouldn't have been too bad but there was cheating with point values and even trying to invent new rules mid game, it made for a miserable experience.
On another note waiting for the Eldar to get a refresh is one of the reasons I didn't start an army of them, their models are looking a bit on the old side now, but here's hoping for a nice refresh
Would be cool to see you paint a Kharadron Start Collecting box
This doesn’t jingle my jangles BUT it is the bees pajamas 🐝 and the cats knees 🐈.
Age of Sigmar is fun! Welcome on over buddy we love to see you.
I’m an AoS guy. So yes please! I’ve just been waiting patiently for you to make the switch
Age of Sigmar content? Yes, please! Steampunk Dwarves? Yes please!
The Yoda quote is about human psychology.
Fear is a primal emotion that we have a physiological reaction to. One of the most common reactions to fear is to become angry and aggressive.
Anger is an emotion that motivates us to action and informs our attitudes. If we're angry long enough, it can fester into a hatred.
Hate is an attitude that informs our perceptions. People who are hateful learn to accept and even cause the suffering of others.
Suffering is a state of pain or distress that we all experience. Hateful people cause a lot of suffering by inflicting harm on people in an attempt to deal with their underlying fear.
These all connect together because Yoda was explaining how authoritarianism works. Fear makes people into authoritarians. The quote is just a rough description of how that mindset develops.
The reason he's saying it in relation to Anakin is to say that he doesn't believe Anakin can learn to control his own fear and so shouldn't be taught how to be a laser sword wielding space wizard with the power to murder anyone and change the course of the entire galaxy. Because, yannow, he might go off and become a space nazi. Like he did.
Yoda is right about authoritarianism and right about Anakin, but is ultimately wrong about how to handle it. Luke proves Yoda wrong by getting through to Anakin, giving Anakin the love and respect he needed to take control of his fear and kill the Emperor.
YES AGE OF SIGMAR CONTENT PLEASE!
Being the nerd of the family several of my siblings get me models as gifts, but I always get them something that they like.
I really like the way miniature games flow with the back and forth rounds. It feels much more natural and immersive, I feel it’s more balanced since it lets you play with your minis before they get blasted off the table, and they make you stay engaged for in the game due to the more reactive nature of the matches. I like 40k and all, but sometimes it feels like you’re not doing much for long periods of time while you wait for the opponent to finish their turn.
I totally agree about people *needing* their wargame to fit them. People can get very offended about criticisms of 'their' system.
I'm here for your entertaining videos, so it doesn't matter if it's 40k, AoS, Star Trek, etc. Your videos just jingle my jangles! 😉
Never thought I'd see Jay contemplate building a dwarven army.
I love hearing your opinion on Age of Sigmar. I laugh whenever you talk about your discoveries of the things I enjoy about it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and I would like to see more AoS content.
AoS was a reworking of Warhammer Fantasy. Since then we've seen the Fantasy team do a great job at making better models and more playable games with AoS, Warcry, and Underworlds.
40K could really use the same treatment, as it's fallen from grace, and could really use a reworking and better models, and needs a rule reworking badly.
I acually modified a Space marine and paited it up to look like Santa, with some little wrapped gifts he is giving out, and put that as decorations on the wrapping for the chrismas box for my family (I put all the gifts in one box as it inculded some things that were for all of us thogeter). Brother Santa is now station in our living room and my mother seamed to find him pretty nice.
I built the metal Millennium Falcon. Can confirm. Not easy models to build.
More AoS. Finally subscribed because you are taking up duardin for the dwarf cause...business!
That Starcraft reference, i love it!
Seraphon Thunder Lizards, no skinks, no saurus warriors. Just a bunch of big ol' dinos. You only need like 8 models total. Its great!
I'd love to see AOS content! Been lurking here for a bit but gotta say your enthusiasm and optimism has been a breath of fresh air for me and in part what's revitalized my hobby, so thanks!
As for giving minis as gifts, I think it varies. I've gifted a few models to non gamers and most are impressed by the details and artistry. I literally did what you said in your video and I gifted a painted model to my mom for Christmas one year. It was a husky mini on a scenic base painted like our beloved family dog that had passed away the year before. She loved it and even cried.
Love AOS’ lore, different races and factions.
The fact that there are More Gods with lore and personality than 40k’s gods.
I mean we haven’t heard anything about Ynnead in a while or that newly found Tau god is all but silent and supposedly there’s a couple minor chaos gods in 40k but there just Easter eggs/names of people who helped make 40k early on in development so that’s a dead end.
I just enjoy AOS’ more creativity directions than 40k’s, since AOS is a new universe it isn’t held down by decades of lore like 40k keeping it in this stagnant place. To GW defense they have been moving 40k’s story w/Guilliman, fall of cadia and primaris but not without people voicing concerns about how GW is taking the story or how they hate how they’re changing things.
That age old thing:
Fans to GW in the 90s/00s: the Lore isn't good enough anymore! It needs to change! Add new stuff!
Fans to GW in the NOW: we don't like new things!
Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't
Is Nuffle still around in the mortal realms?
@@beowylfen sadly I think nuffle is a world-that-was Exclusive, hence why Blood Bowl wasn't rebooted to Age of Sigmar setting.
@@petermartin9224 curses, there goes my former Blood Bowl players Stormcast idea
@@beowylfen really i hope they find a way to bring the age of sigmars new races into Blood Bowls world as it could lead to some great new teams, like a deepkin team that field an octopus for example
More Age of Sigmar content!!!!! Love these hangout vids. Would be great to get more on the game that I actually play and collect lol!
Yeah I would like to see more Age Of Sigmar Content. I can heartily recommend the Overlords, I own a small army of them myself and had a lof of fun playing them and since you allready have some Stormcast Eternals you could combine them to alliance to get started with only a few models for a start.
Love the show today. I am going to put together my own Stormcast from older stuff and the Dominion kit and some dragons as well. As to what I would love to see is a mix of WH40k, AoS, and your new Malifaux. I mean you went through all the trouble to paint them, it would be a waste to just keep the players in a box.
As to other content, I would love your takes on customization of models.
Reject modernity. Embrace tradition. Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game
I'm just pumped for your guys' content. 40k, AoS, just keep 'em coming!
Well after watching the dominion challenge video probably 20 times, I now have half a box in front of me. I don't play AoS or 40k. Damn you Jay... Damn yoooooouuuuuuuuu.
Jay should paint the dwarves the way he did in a recent video
steampunk sky pirate dwarves kick every kind of ass imaignable.
Glad you got a chance to dip your toes into AoS. It's my jam lol. Would love to see more AoS content. Keep up the great job.
I'd love more Age of Sigmar content. The potential for video topics is practically endless if you do both 40k and Sigmar related videos
Definitely interested in AOS. I am into 50k but my wife is so much more into AOS models after we visited a tournament recently, and even I was swung by the amazing models. I would learn the game to own models haha
Jay: oops, all dragons!
lizard bois: am i a joke to you?
watching this video in 2022, id LOVE some Aos content. i like both Aos and 40k and feel a mix of both would help keep the channel fresh. thanks for the vids :)
Both games are decent but I think AoS has that Fun Factor edge. I think it's due to two things.
1. The variable turn sequence - this just adds so much drama to the game
2. Mortal wounds and less armor - it's so much more fun watching your attacks actually affect units; 40k just has too many saves, invuln saves, feel no pain, blah blah
Yeah, I like to paint AOS more than 40k. Since there is such a big variety of amazing models in AOS compared to 40k.
Agree with the soul wars book, it's suprisingly good. Also recently did the audiobook for Dominion, it was a great listen.
Ever thought about trying Grimdark Future by One Page Rules? I recently stumbled upon it and haven't had the chance to try it yet but it seems refreshingly simple compared to 40k.
And it's completely free and model agnostic, also a nice aspect.
Is it still a thing in AoS that you can make a list by smashing units from basically any army together and call it legal? I've looked at the free rules online and I couldn't find anything that said I couldn't, but all I see is people building 'only Stormcast' or 'only Slaves to Darkness' armies.
As far as I'm aware, you can take allies as long as they're from the same alliance (they just don't get access to certain buffs)
I've recently started AoS after being out of the hobby completely for about a decade. With how GOOD this edition really is and how much fun I'm having with it and it's skirmish/spinoffs like Warcry and Underworlds I would love to see my favorite hobby channel cover more AoS! SO... YES PLEASE!
Don't even need to watch the video to know that the title is a fact, not even a question. As someone who has like 4-5 armies for 40k, 40k is cringe (i also have about the same amount is AoS armies)
Would be nice to see some more AOS content, interesting how you'd paint those dwarves.
Yay I was surprised my hermit crab made it!
Heck yeah more AoS! You should check out Warcry. Great skirmish game.
"I think I would suggest most people try out one of these things..." aka, I had to feel the pain and I think you should feel the pain too. ;)
If you play Kharadrons put one Ironclad with 10 Thunderers in it with some Heros and to repair the Ironclad use 6 Endriggers and one Endrinmaster with dirigible suit (Sorry if the Name is written wrong, I only know the german Name). I Play Kharadrons and this combo is strong but really fun
if they renew the Eldar, I will be painting a full Iyanden army. So much yellow!
Go all in on AoS!
Maybe try the OnePageRules Grim Dark Future game where you can play with your existing Warhammer models?
This 100%!
I am keen for Age of Sigmar content!
I totally misread the title as “Age of Sigmar has better models” and thought, yeah I suppose it does these days.
Go for Aos! I have toooons of 40k, but also got some AoS, Fow , Black Seas, etc . TBH AoS is a poor imitation of Warhammer Fantasy Battle, but still got some spirit of it!
ya i would for sure watch sigmar stuff.
I’m an AOS player and on top of that, I love Stormcasts, so yes I’m very interested in AOS content here
Variety of content is never a bad thing. I have fallen out of doing models of late due to various reasons including a house move (so everything is packed up), but am keen to get back to aos and 40k when time allows again.
I just got the AOS starter box. I’m really excited to get into the hobby.
I had very little interest in sigmar until I saw a steampunk Dwarven airship on the LGS's shelf. The K Overlords and to a lesser extent the dragons are the only thing that could potentially pull me into that game system if my friends want to dive into it
I'm all for AoS content! Honestly I mainly play AoS/Warcry/Underworlds
This man speaks facts.
Hey man, I have loved Age of Sigmar almost as long as you have been making basing videos. I played the game in the beginning and love it all the way to now. Have a blast without all the gotchas of 40k stratagems. Good luck with the sky dwarves, and may all your turns be doubles.
This is something I am trying to do, branch out into other games. I picked up the kill team octarius box and am building it up to play some KT. I also am slowly building a Dweghom army for Conquest, it will itch the rank and file desire for me, I hope. 40k is big and intimidating and just keeps getting more complex.
Yes to AoS (I'm biased as an Order collector) - KO are fun to paint too
I would watch vids of age of sigmar - I already do for other channels.
I do a green tide with nurgle daemons.
I've been very interested getting into aos, but lizardmen models look really bad
As an Eldar player... The problem isn't that we haven't gotten new stuff. The problem is how OLD the stuff we have is. Just as an example. I'm turning 34 this year. So I'm born in 1987... The swooping hawk wings still in use (And thats also the exharch wings and the wings used by Barrothe) Are all from this same era, aka over 30 years old at this point.
Now here is another way to put it to show how old our stuff is. If you were to cut 40k in half by editions, with Rogue trader and up to 4th being the first half and 5-8th being the second half. 70% of the CWE range is in the first half. This is why CWE players are complaining and wanting a range refresh. Because the average age of the whole range might be older than a kid starting with 40k as a hobby. Now not everything needs to be refreshed but damn there is a lot that needs to be fixed.
Sigmar is life. Love my Seraphon. 40k is in a weird competitive spot. Everything you said resonates.
I would probably be a sucker for more Stormcast Eternals painting.
I have the exact same AT-ST, got it as a xmas gift too, it is annoying as fuck to build indeed.
Grimdark Future Baby!! Makes it all clean and quick.
Also holy shit my boy has also got that at-st kit, thanks for the heads up on that
Yes please, more AoS.
A bit late but the possibility of a squig based team is why I want to start Warcry.
I think it would be cool to see more Age of Sigmar. I'm glad it's getting a better reputation since when it first came out. It's very cool
yes, more AOS content.
Order: We like the world existing. We like civilization. We think cooperation is the path forward.
Death: We like the world existing, we like civilization, we think All Should Be One In Nagash.
Destruction: World iz a gud un, iz war I do mah krumpin! Civ ah wut now? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!
Chaos: The world needs to get rendered down into soup and slurped up by the Dark Gods. Or you follow Archaon and want to help him become a god-king... to kill all gods and kings....
Yes another upload!
Sigmar is the best ;)
AoS>>>>>40k rules based in my opinion cause the mechanics. About BG and models it's simply choosing your tastes, I like both so no problem about it.
AOS is now 6 yo so it's not anymore so young. It has seen 3 edition, while 40k had the same in the same amount of time.
40k still had 9 edition since the beginning, it's standing on dated approaches, a rewamp of the rules would dare to rewrite quite heavily and mean rewrite a lot of armies and ways of the miniatures.
I think some things should be redone in 40k, not necessarily similar to AoS.
AoS till now it's my favourite rules based, hoping it doesn't corrupt along the time.
Anyway the real problem is about codex and Battletome more than about the core rulebook.
The time will reveal what shall happen
As both as a fan of bretonnia and the old dawi
This goes in the book
So Happy to see you talking about and getting into Age of Sigmar!