So Reverse Flash created The Flash, who in turn created Reverse Flash causing Reverse Flash to create Zoom, who tried to create a better Flash and was created by the Flash because The Flash created Reverse Flash causing Reverse Flash to create Zoom Got it
Next we'll find out Eobard was the one that convinced Krona to try and see the beginning of time just so that somewhere down the line Barry would have to sacrifice himself to break the Anti-Monitor's weapon.
@@JoshuaIfidi “it was me, Bolt. I massaged your calves so fast and so hard they made you incapable of running and competing anymore, which made you retire and get a dad bod!”
The thing about Zoom is that he DID get his lucky break, something good finally DID happen to him. The accident that gave him powers healed his legs! He got what he wanted and more! He now had superpowers! But he was so consumed by self-pity and hatred for Wally, he failed to recognise that fate gave him a new lease on life. So instead of taking the chance to become something more, perheps even proving himself to be a "better hero" than Wally, he squandered it on his spite, he used all the power he had to ruin someone else's life. If there is any lesson to learn here, it's that self-pity and hatred will make you blind to all the good things that come your way.
@@Bell-en7xm that's not possible, he isn't connected to the Speed Force, that's one of his main traits. His super-speed is just him controlling his personal time compared to the rest of the universe.
He doesn't really hate Wally, he just has messed up ideals and beliefs, which makes Jim a lot different than Thawn, who just does it because he’s spiteful and petty
Honestly, this story speaks a lot to Wally's sense of responsibility. He won't change the timeline for selfish reasons. Neither to save his best friend, or to save his children. The things Zoom believed all along.
I think both reverse flashes are some of the best villains created in fiction I really like the contrast between them too While Thawne would be like “it was me Barry, I killed your grandma so you would suffer and fail as a superhero” Hunter would be like “it was me Wally, I killed your grandma so you would grow as a person and become a better superhero” Both completely unhinged
remember when eobard thawne decided to go back in time and become flash's worst enemy just because a info plaque in flash museum said he was his worst enemy? good times
dude actually went insane and became barry for a bit because he was dead and didnt like he was destined to become reverse flash so bad his brain made him think he was barry to cope.
To be fair, this was WAY before all that FlashForward stuff happened. Saying Wally’s not OP cuz he got bullied by Hunter Zolomon, is the equivalent of saying Goku’s not OP cuz he was one-shot by Raditz, or that Ben10’s not OP cuz he only has 10 Aliens and none of them could do anything to Vilgax. It’s earlier on in his story, and if current Wally were in this story, I’m sure he would’ve effortlessly blitzed and stomped Hunter Zolomon, like, no problem.👍
If you actually read the comics you should have known that thawne is rash decision maker who goes off and dies at the hands of Iris of all people just because the doesn't have the patience to listen to the plan that Hunter Zolomon, a cold calculative manipulative mastermind has planned out for YEARS💯
Jesus Christ! I didn't know much about Zoom, and Hunter Zolomon may not be as petty as Thawne, but I like that he was once friends with Wally and had a similar background to Barry Allen but more messed up circumstances. I love how out of everyone, Grodd was responsible for his disabling, and while Wally's life gets better, Zolomon's continuously gets worse even despite his friend having access to time travel; that is actually an interesting conflict since we know time travel is a dangerous thing in the DC Universe. I love the idea of Zoom believing that what makes a good hero is a tragedy, and Wally must suffer so he can understand how Zolomon feels. I honestly understand where he's coming from, but while Thawne was motivated by a deranged petty obsession, Zoom is motivated by deep-seated pain and thirst for vengeance, which makes him all the more dangerous and what he did to Wally and Linda so unbelievably f*** up, and I thought Thawne was bad? BTW I love how Thawne essentially created his own Reverse Flash successor with Zolomon; much like Barry did when he gave Wally the Flash title. Honestly sounds totally in character with Thawne.
Yo Mullet Man props for giving a proper spotlight on Zoom. Shame he gets overshadowed by Reverse-Flash but he does have many less appearances, which I think ups the stakes and impact for when he does show up. Definitely gonna give Blitz another read now that story is peak
The Flash always gets it the worst, the people around them just can't win either. Being the best really makes you a target for misery, just like Spiderman. Love your vids man!
so this is something that I, in my hobby writing have come across. So to put it simply, you have a character, most likely the main, and you can't kill them. So what do you do? you hurt their mind, give them scars on their mantel health to the point that the ether almost or brake.
@@demon-hunter1498Yeah, but MCU or DCEU does a really bad job at it. I mean, it's true but they can just give their heroes a bunch of internal conflict why torture them like that? For example, Flash's strongest punch should be able to evaporate a Dwarf Star, he can time travel; these powers are obviously too strong for the story. The writers can just place mental blocks so that Barry Subconsciously rejects the idea of doing these things. Instead they just make him weak and dumb and fuck up the entire power system.
@@TheManyEyedOne yeah, for me I had to handicaps my character, mostly with if he uses his powers for too long or to much of at a time. Once for a story I had him fighting another who was faster then he was so he went all out with one of his forms, he lost mostly due to taking to many hits and using too much power. it's a hard balancing act, to much power and nothing can beat them, too little and the street thugs are beating them without a fight.
I don’t really understand why Wally has this repeated theme of dishing out fates far worse than death. It’s genuinely scary and feels like him not being a psychopath is a missing factor if writers are gonna keep doing that. Plus I know Zoom did something unjustifiably horrendous but Wally wasn’t exactly giving off vibes like he had this urge to rip Zoom’s head off due to their initial close friendship. Sure he was debating but something almost felt missing or lacking. But anyways, yeah, I definitely agree with what you personally felt about Zoom. Dude is irredeemable, and to commit such an unspeakably devastating act as obliterating somebody’s unborn twins like that and all but brag in their ear… with that in mind, it kinda makes me glad DC brought back Wally’s children and gave them a chance to become something. Thunderheart is a fun character and Surge’s abilities is such a good concept. As a side note, it is kind of a surprise that Wally didn’t at least consult with the other speedsters about time traveling to prevent Zoom’s creation. I understand the dangers but he had a power nobody should have and he could have torn the time stream to ribbons. I’d be willing to debate whether or not it’s worth the risk.
Except it no longer happened 😂 Hunter's rage and recklessness brought him to take the blast and undo the death of Wally's unborn children. And they can't undo his suffering nor the creation of Zoom because he doesn't exist in time anymore, any changes in time he won't be affected by unless it directly hits him.
Zoom was such a great villain in an incredible comic book run. I love that his powers are super unique to any Flash or even Reverse-Flash. I mean the ability to control time, exist on your own separate timeline and be able to peer into the past, already makes you one of the most powerful beings in the universe 5:34 idk why but that voiceover for Grodd killed me 😂😂😂
I've always found Hunter more interesting than Eobard. Just the fact that he had a real friendship with Flash before he went off the deep end made his story more interesting to read. He's the embodiment of the fan idea that superheroes need to be in a constant state of misery to be effective, as Wally was (At the time) of the few heroes that wasn't wallowing in his own self hatred.
Professor Zoom used to be the main name while Reverse Flash was a nick name, kinda like Superman and man of steele. Hunter removed the Professor part to avoid confusion
I'd like to make one tiny correction by saying he Eobard is referred to as Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom whilst Hunter is known as just Zoom. The reason Eobard is called professor zoom is because it was a nickname given to him by his students in the future when he taught them about speedforce.
There’s something so creepy about him having to manually slow down his speech purely to talk to Flash I imagine it sort of like a RUclips video slowing down and you can hear that collapsing reverb in the background
Villains are really important. Because they change the main character make him worse or better. And zoom is no exception he changed Wally ,made him question his morals and killed his children. But we all know only thing he needs is just a few good ribs at barbecue Love your videos! Thank you for telling this story!
@@l0sts0ul89 honestly thinking back, Manta wins in pure hatred alone, dawg thought he killed Aquaman, goes back fo living a normal life, but when he discovered that he was still alive he kills all the people in the place he was working in and goes back in being a villain
@@godoitopslex luther is right up there with both reverse flash and black manta lol in one comic he gave a person cancer then cured the person then gave them cancer again lol
@@isiaharellano3789Ik we’re talking dc, but green goblin is definitely up there too. Bro did the miscarriage thing that zoom did, but somehow far worse
Zoom is Flash's version of the joker, there's no reasoning with him, but killing him's off the table too since he's a time anomoly; so the only real way to stop him is to "seal" him away somewhere and pray he doesm't break free
@@SvenFernado basically Thawne at first couldn't kill or majorly affect Barry to the point where it stops him from becoming the Flash because then it would never influence Thawne becoming the Reverse Flash therefore erasing him. At one point, Barry wanted to bring his mother back who was killed by travelling to the past and saving her from her murderer, essentially resetting the timeline many years back. While Barry was travelling back in time and rewinding the universe, The Reverse Flash was also time travelling and was basically disconnected from the timeline. When Flash finally reached the time he wanted to go to and saved his mother, it completely changed the events of the future, causing massive alterations in history and therefore a change in the timeline of the future which was supposed to erase or at least change the life of Thawne since the world was at war. With Thawne's case though, due to being disconnected to the timeline from time travelling, he was prevented from being erased by Barry's time travelling but he still originated and existed from a timeline that no longer exists, therefore having no past and no future, making him a paradox.
the thing about flash's villains is that they're not so much on a spectrum like most rogues they are the edges they're either people with power that want more power, or corrupted souls who have twisted ways to cope
@@Mulletman_ComicsI love it but it because I grew up on it but man, I just remember the scene with the fat kid jumping into the pool and just… I just can’t.
What's even funnier is that he didn't even need to time travel to fix his legs, he could literally just call in a favor with the 5+ future tech billionaires he knows personally for his friend. The moral of the story is, the flash is an asshole.
On the one hand, I don't like the Eobard retcon because it gets rid of the natural tragic element that truly made him Wally's opposite (at the time). On the other hand, at least this retcon doesn't have everyone acting out of character.
If going back through time and changing things creates chaos and loopholes. I’d assume pure time itself when left uncontrolled in the form of lightning and electricity in the past would create some kind of problem. Especially since the author didn’t specify that the powers dissipated instead it was “rippled through the time stream itself” so I can presume based on how Zolomon creates cracks in time all that uncontrolled power should theoretically destroy that specific time stream. Meaning that Zoom just didn’t exist at least not the best friend Zoom.
Honestly i'd be mad too if i knew there's a literal time machine in the museum dedicated to my friend and it could be used whenever. Imagine just having that as public knowledge. If there's no intention to use it then it should be destroyed, especially when the person with the key is just going to say "it's dangerous bro" like i'd be incredibly pissed.
If you’re ever interested, I’d recommend looking into Daniel West, the Reverse Flash introduced in the New 52 and ended up on the Suicide Squad. I think he’s got an interesting story that was ultimately got cut short in the Suicide Squad
Just want to say love your work, & hope you keep it up. Also I was wondering what comics are these from, like is there a flash omnibus, that I can buy?
i think there is a flash geoff johns omnibus that covers the entirety of wally's run as the main flash. if you search it up on amazon you may find it for roughly $100 bills
The fact that thawne literally did all of this just so wally could also have a guy ruining his life, just speaks volumes to the type of hater this man eobard is
I love zoom, he's quite literally the personification of the spiderman writers as a character. Completely destroying wally's life for the sake of "making him a greater hero", the authors do the exact same thing to spiderman
I watched your Reverse flash video two days ago and after that i wanted to know who Hunter was and then you release this. Great video and thanks for fuelling my hyperfixation for the two characters
I love this video.😊 thank you for making it. Hunter Zolomon is one of my favorite characters, and you did him justice in this video. On your thoughts on whether he’s irredeemable or not. I disagree with you, but I see your point. It’s been pointed out that you can make a case that Hunter Zolomon is actually a realistic mentally ill person who needs therapy, unlike The Joker. That doesn’t justify his crimes, and I understand if you disagree with me, but in the right circumstance if he’s in prison and given therapy, he could likely reform. Tragically, in current comics, it may be too late for him. A character related to Hunter that I really am interested in tragically never lived up to her potential is Hunter's ex-wife Ashley Zolomon. Ashley Zolomon is a character that is just as interesting as Hunter and suffered as much tragedy as him, and while she didn’t break like her ex-husband, she’s been through a lot. Ashley Zolomon lost her father because of her husband's mistake, divorced her husband, and months later found out that her husband became a supervillain. She gave up her career at the FBI to help her husband. Aside from making peace with Wally West, she could not allow her husband and unfortunately disappeared because of the reboot, though she reappeared in flash #800. I said it before, but Ashley Zolomon is a character with a lot of potential. Unfortunately, because of her limited appearances, mainly because of the reboots, she never lived to her potential. What people don’t understand is what sacrifice Ashley Zolomon made for her ex-husband. Ashley Zolomon was a member of the FBI, and it showed that she was the best of the best even if it wasn’t stated, and she just walked away from her career to take a position that’s implied to be beneath her to help her ex-husband. Ashley Zolomon only said that her new job with a step down from her career at the FBI; I really wish that we had enough time to get her thoughts on her giving up her job at the FBI, and also not mentioned Ashley Zolomon must have friends and colleagues at the FBI, how would she have felt having to give up those relationships to get a new job that’s beneath her and how would they think about Ashley Zolomon throwing away her career to help her ex-husband. There, Ashley Zolomon's view of the divorce, it was made clear that Ashley views leaving Hunter as a terrible mistake and feels great guilt, she also made it clear that she will never leave Hunter again, and it’s implied that when she reformed him, she will remarry him. I would’ve loved to see Alshely's thoughts on her divorce before Hunter transformed into a supervillain and see her learn of Hunter's transformation and her decision to leave the FBI to help Hunter. I just wanted to mention this character because I’m also a big fan of Ashley Zolomon, and I hope she reappears soon in comics and gets a proper story. I wish someone would make a video of her, but I’m not sure if there’s enough info on this character for a video. But again, thank you for making this great video.
The realy tagic part when you realize that for hunter’s injury did not even truly need a time travel to fix his damaged spine, but simply a bit of restoration magic by a proficient user could have fixed Solomon’s spinal damage,no risky time travel involved, all those tragedies created by zoom were preventable if only wolly west had reached out to a known magic user that he was in “good”terms with or locate a Lazarus pit around the world and distill some of the enesium chemical and applied it to Solomon’s spine and that would have solved the problem, but now Wally has to live with this: if he had thought outside the box while he had the chance he could have (somewhat) prevented the creation of the hateful professor zoom and his wife(Linda) miscarriage
The thing about Hunter Zolomon is that his stated goal is to make The Flash (and other heroes) better by putting them through a torturous and likely fatal test. He believes that if they survive his test they will be better for it. When he faced the Justice League, he mentioned that Sinestro put Hal Jordan (Green Lantern) through the same kind of test that Zoom did to The Flash...and that he emerged better for it. He also questioned Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman, what makes them better.
I’m not gonna lie y’all, Zoom not taking the time before ruining Wally’s life to break Grodd’s back and crucify him in front of all the gorilla people was a missed opportunity.
Before the CW I always thought of Zoom's "fastvoice" sounding shrill like one of those old Halloween ghost decorations. of course that's before I actually started reading comics. Looking over this I take him a bit more seriously now.
4:51 That’s Doubledown, Jeremy Tell. A cursed deck of cards got fused to his skin, so he can peel it off at will and turn his skin into what are basically flesh razor blades.
What’s funny to me is that comic savatar has this glatitorial spin on the same outfit as the both the reverse flash/ professor zoom, and Zoom. Imagine all 3 of them show up to a situation and they’re like “Well 2 of us are going to have to change.”
So Reverse Flash created The Flash, who in turn created Reverse Flash causing Reverse Flash to create Zoom, who tried to create a better Flash and was created by the Flash because The Flash created Reverse Flash causing Reverse Flash to create Zoom
Got it
What?
Yh I also get it
classic bootstrap paradox
My head hurts.
The fuck? 💀
it's oddly comforting to know that Eobard is still ultimately responsible
It was Eobard all along~
It Was Me Wally!
It's the familiarity of it all, it's like he's joined in on the fun
Next we'll find out Eobard was the one that convinced Krona to try and see the beginning of time just so that somewhere down the line Barry would have to sacrifice himself to break the Anti-Monitor's weapon.
@@enviritas9498 honestly it would not surprise me
You know you are a professional hater when you got the exact opposite color scheme from the opps
Powerful underrated comment but so true.
Living in someone's mind rent free personified.
Kid Flash has the Reverse Flash and Zoom color scheme. You should realize what this means.
SSS Tier Hater
The kkk:
@johnlucas2838 He never wanted to become the reverse flash, he wanted to be Barry's Sidekick Kid Flash, right?
The one good thing the CW show did right was give Zoom a black suit. That shit was intimidating af
Loved his voice aswell
@@menitheman dope voice
I like the comic suit more but I agree.
@@menithemanTony Todd has been doing his A game ever since he was young
The man looked like a straight up demon when I first saw him.
Eboard being responsible for Hunter’s actions is poetic.
Yeah Thawne is just a lightning rode for creating chaos.
It Was Me Wally!
Thawne is an actual thorn on the side literally everyone who can run fast.
@@thenitpickchannel9993Usain Bolt when he breaks a record, is named the fasted man alive and goes home to see Reverse Flash at his crib:
@@JoshuaIfidi “it was me, Bolt. I massaged your calves so fast and so hard they made you incapable of running and competing anymore, which made you retire and get a dad bod!”
The thing about Zoom is that he DID get his lucky break, something good finally DID happen to him. The accident that gave him powers healed his legs! He got what he wanted and more! He now had superpowers! But he was so consumed by self-pity and hatred for Wally, he failed to recognise that fate gave him a new lease on life. So instead of taking the chance to become something more, perheps even proving himself to be a "better hero" than Wally, he squandered it on his spite, he used all the power he had to ruin someone else's life.
If there is any lesson to learn here, it's that self-pity and hatred will make you blind to all the good things that come your way.
At least he ultimately redeems himself by sacrificing himself to save the universe from the Black Flash, something Thawne will never, EVER do.
That anger was too damn fresh
The speed force also directly tells him to make the flash into a perfect hero.
@@Bell-en7xm that's not possible, he isn't connected to the Speed Force, that's one of his main traits. His super-speed is just him controlling his personal time compared to the rest of the universe.
He doesn't really hate Wally, he just has messed up ideals and beliefs, which makes Jim a lot different than Thawn, who just does it because he’s spiteful and petty
Honestly, this story speaks a lot to Wally's sense of responsibility. He won't change the timeline for selfish reasons. Neither to save his best friend, or to save his children. The things Zoom believed all along.
I think both reverse flashes are some of the best villains created in fiction
I really like the contrast between them too
While Thawne would be like “it was me Barry, I killed your grandma so you would suffer and fail as a superhero”
Hunter would be like “it was me Wally, I killed your grandma so you would grow as a person and become a better superhero”
Both completely unhinged
There was also one crossover story where Zolomon helped Cheetah (Minerva) become a better villain.
@@enviritas9498 yeah, read it and it’s great 👍
(Also, blind Wonder Woman)
Better adapt than devolve like my brother did
remember when eobard thawne decided to go back in time and become flash's worst enemy just because a info plaque in flash museum said he was his worst enemy?
good times
dude actually went insane and became barry for a bit because he was dead and didnt like he was destined to become reverse flash so bad his brain made him think he was barry to cope.
last video: Wally West is op af
this video: Wally West got his ass handed to him by his friend
I was humbled by this comic 😂
@@Mulletman_Comicssounds like something fernadocomics would put in his title
To be fair, this was WAY before all that FlashForward stuff happened. Saying Wally’s not OP cuz he got bullied by Hunter Zolomon, is the equivalent of saying Goku’s not OP cuz he was one-shot by Raditz, or that Ben10’s not OP cuz he only has 10 Aliens and none of them could do anything to Vilgax. It’s earlier on in his story, and if current Wally were in this story, I’m sure he would’ve effortlessly blitzed and stomped Hunter Zolomon, like, no problem.👍
@@HaydenStephens515 that’s 100% valid, I just thought the contrast between videos was hilarious
Correction Wally West gets his ass handed to him by his friend in a Wheelchair.
Bro imagine hating some guy SO MUCH! That you decide to make sure their protégé has someone else that hates him just as much.
Zolomon is more level headed while Thawne is more calculating but the irony of him making Zolomon an orphan is rich.
If you actually read the comics you should have known that thawne is rash decision maker who goes off and dies at the hands of Iris of all people just because the doesn't have the patience to listen to the plan that Hunter Zolomon, a cold calculative manipulative mastermind has planned out for YEARS💯
Jesus Christ!
I didn't know much about Zoom, and Hunter Zolomon may not be as petty as Thawne, but I like that he was once friends with Wally and had a similar background to Barry Allen but more messed up circumstances. I love how out of everyone, Grodd was responsible for his disabling, and while Wally's life gets better, Zolomon's continuously gets worse even despite his friend having access to time travel; that is actually an interesting conflict since we know time travel is a dangerous thing in the DC Universe.
I love the idea of Zoom believing that what makes a good hero is a tragedy, and Wally must suffer so he can understand how Zolomon feels. I honestly understand where he's coming from, but while Thawne was motivated by a deranged petty obsession, Zoom is motivated by deep-seated pain and thirst for vengeance, which makes him all the more dangerous and what he did to Wally and Linda so unbelievably f*** up, and I thought Thawne was bad?
BTW I love how Thawne essentially created his own Reverse Flash successor with Zolomon; much like Barry did when he gave Wally the Flash title. Honestly sounds totally in character with Thawne.
Forty-second thumb.
i headcanon that zoom has this sort of stuttery, glitchy voice, like him even speaking distorts the speed around him
Yo Mullet Man props for giving a proper spotlight on Zoom. Shame he gets overshadowed by Reverse-Flash but he does have many less appearances, which I think ups the stakes and impact for when he does show up. Definitely gonna give Blitz another read now that story is peak
Read rouge wars for another banger zoom storyline
Peak Geoff Johns too.
The Flash always gets it the worst, the people around them just can't win either. Being the best really makes you a target for misery, just like Spiderman. Love your vids man!
so this is something that I, in my hobby writing have come across. So to put it simply, you have a character, most likely the main, and you can't kill them. So what do you do? you hurt their mind, give them scars on their mantel health to the point that the ether almost or brake.
@@demon-hunter1498Yeah, but MCU or DCEU does a really bad job at it. I mean, it's true but they can just give their heroes a bunch of internal conflict why torture them like that?
For example, Flash's strongest punch should be able to evaporate a Dwarf Star, he can time travel; these powers are obviously too strong for the story. The writers can just place mental blocks so that Barry Subconsciously rejects the idea of doing these things.
Instead they just make him weak and dumb and fuck up the entire power system.
@@TheManyEyedOne yeah, for me I had to handicaps my character, mostly with if he uses his powers for too long or to much of at a time.
Once for a story I had him fighting another who was faster then he was so he went all out with one of his forms, he lost mostly due to taking to many hits and using too much power.
it's a hard balancing act, to much power and nothing can beat them, too little and the street thugs are beating them without a fight.
This was so haunting to see. This feels a lot more real then joker's one bad day for example. His design is also very spooky.
I don’t really understand why Wally has this repeated theme of dishing out fates far worse than death. It’s genuinely scary and feels like him not being a psychopath is a missing factor if writers are gonna keep doing that. Plus I know Zoom did something unjustifiably horrendous but Wally wasn’t exactly giving off vibes like he had this urge to rip Zoom’s head off due to their initial close friendship. Sure he was debating but something almost felt missing or lacking.
But anyways, yeah, I definitely agree with what you personally felt about Zoom. Dude is irredeemable, and to commit such an unspeakably devastating act as obliterating somebody’s unborn twins like that and all but brag in their ear… with that in mind, it kinda makes me glad DC brought back Wally’s children and gave them a chance to become something. Thunderheart is a fun character and Surge’s abilities is such a good concept.
As a side note, it is kind of a surprise that Wally didn’t at least consult with the other speedsters about time traveling to prevent Zoom’s creation. I understand the dangers but he had a power nobody should have and he could have torn the time stream to ribbons. I’d be willing to debate whether or not it’s worth the risk.
I assume he just processes things faster like his healing, but who knows
Except it no longer happened 😂 Hunter's rage and recklessness brought him to take the blast and undo the death of Wally's unborn children.
And they can't undo his suffering nor the creation of Zoom because he doesn't exist in time anymore, any changes in time he won't be affected by unless it directly hits him.
Zoom was such a great villain in an incredible comic book run. I love that his powers are super unique to any Flash or even Reverse-Flash. I mean the ability to control time, exist on your own separate timeline and be able to peer into the past, already makes you one of the most powerful beings in the universe
5:34 idk why but that voiceover for Grodd killed me 😂😂😂
Sounds like Joker’s “one bad day” theory….
It was multiple in this case
I've always found Hunter more interesting than Eobard. Just the fact that he had a real friendship with Flash before he went off the deep end made his story more interesting to read.
He's the embodiment of the fan idea that superheroes need to be in a constant state of misery to be effective, as Wally was (At the time) of the few heroes that wasn't wallowing in his own self hatred.
Prof Zoom is the alternative name for Eobart. Simply Zoom is Hunter's name (if it could not be possibly more confusing already)
Professor Zoom used to be the main name while Reverse Flash was a nick name, kinda like Superman and man of steele. Hunter removed the Professor part to avoid confusion
@@HELLO_KORO pretty sure that adds more confusion to be honest
Normal villains: i going to deafeat you
Flash villains: i hate you
Zolomon doesn't hate Wally
I'd like to make one tiny correction by saying he Eobard is referred to as Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom whilst Hunter is known as just Zoom. The reason Eobard is called professor zoom is because it was a nickname given to him by his students in the future when he taught them about speedforce.
Become a better hero though unimaginable suffering? Dear Lord, I just realized that Hunter Zolomon Zoom is the *original* "canon event."
There’s something so creepy about him having to manually slow down his speech purely to talk to Flash
I imagine it sort of like a RUclips video slowing down and you can hear that collapsing reverb in the background
4:01 this image goes HARD
Villains are really important. Because they change the main character make him worse or better. And zoom is no exception he changed Wally ,made him question his morals and killed his children. But we all know only thing he needs is just a few good ribs at barbecue
Love your videos! Thank you for telling this story!
Thank you dude always wondered more about zoom
@@TheMonkeDuo no way really?
I’m thanking him for making a video about zoom
Thawne = Barry's hater
Zoom = Wally's hater
Thawne a fanboy too
Zoom is the personified message of 'Heroes mostly dies but if they're lucky, they live long enough to become a villian'
“I fit the profile.” That goes kinda hard, ngl.
I personally would like to hear you talk about Black Manta, the dude is even pettier than Eobard to me
Nah threatening to go back in time and saying "I'd become your adoptive father" is the pettiest thing ever
@@l0sts0ul89 honestly thinking back, Manta wins in pure hatred alone, dawg thought he killed Aquaman, goes back fo living a normal life, but when he discovered that he was still alive he kills all the people in the place he was working in and goes back in being a villain
@@godoitopslex luther is right up there with both reverse flash and black manta lol in one comic he gave a person cancer then cured the person then gave them cancer again lol
@@shido_rimru_not to mention that said person is his own sister who's on a wheelchair. And also doing it in front of his own daughter 😂
@@isiaharellano3789Ik we’re talking dc, but green goblin is definitely up there too. Bro did the miscarriage thing that zoom did, but somehow far worse
Zoom is super cool but a design change was def needed, he just looks like Reverse flash.exe
Geoff Johns Flash run was so good. He is the reason Wally west is the better flash.
Mark waid run already proved that
Zoom is Flash's version of the joker, there's no reasoning with him, but killing him's off the table too since he's a time anomoly; so the only real way to stop him is to "seal" him away somewhere and pray he doesm't break free
How is zoom an time anomaly ?
i think u mightve confused Eobard's time anomaly with zoom's
@@callmewhateveryouwant5263 can you explain me about eobard's time anomaly
@@SvenFernado basically Thawne at first couldn't kill or majorly affect Barry to the point where it stops him from becoming the Flash because then it would never influence Thawne becoming the Reverse Flash therefore erasing him. At one point, Barry wanted to bring his mother back who was killed by travelling to the past and saving her from her murderer, essentially resetting the timeline many years back.
While Barry was travelling back in time and rewinding the universe, The Reverse Flash was also time travelling and was basically disconnected from the timeline. When Flash finally reached the time he wanted to go to and saved his mother, it completely changed the events of the future, causing massive alterations in history and therefore a change in the timeline of the future which was supposed to erase or at least change the life of Thawne since the world was at war. With Thawne's case though, due to being disconnected to the timeline from time travelling, he was prevented from being erased by Barry's time travelling but he still originated and existed from a timeline that no longer exists, therefore having no past and no future, making him a paradox.
Saying The Flash has never experienced tragedy is like saying Spider-Man has never experienced tragedy
the thing about flash's villains is that they're not so much on a spectrum like most rogues
they are the edges
they're either people with power that want more power, or corrupted souls who have twisted ways to cope
And then there's Captain Boomerang
Oh man I got caught off guard by the title. Thought we were gonna start talking about the Tim Allen movie. Haha!
Just watched that movie today lmaoo
@@Mulletman_ComicsI love it but it because I grew up on it but man, I just remember the scene with the fat kid jumping into the pool and just… I just can’t.
"Spector is just watching them"💀💀
6:02 Getting your back broke and getting your back blown out are two different things...
Zoom is One of my favorite Villains from the Flash and he's really cool too
YOOOO I LOVE "What Once Was"! Banger outro song.
Im glad they changed zoom in the flash cw show to actually have noticable differences
It's wild how the flash doesn't just go to batman or the justice league to make his boy some bionic legs 🤷🏽♂️
3:29 never forget.
What's even funnier is that he didn't even need to time travel to fix his legs, he could literally just call in a favor with the 5+ future tech billionaires he knows personally for his friend.
The moral of the story is, the flash is an asshole.
On the one hand, I don't like the Eobard retcon because it gets rid of the natural tragic element that truly made him Wally's opposite (at the time). On the other hand, at least this retcon doesn't have everyone acting out of character.
Zoloman's anger was misdirected at wally, when it should've been at the gorilla that crippled him.
It the later stories Hunter proceeds to kill bunch of gorillas while he's in a flash suit considering himself a hero
If going back through time and changing things creates chaos and loopholes. I’d assume pure time itself when left uncontrolled in the form of lightning and electricity in the past would create some kind of problem.
Especially since the author didn’t specify that the powers dissipated instead it was “rippled through the time stream itself” so I can presume based on how Zolomon creates cracks in time all that uncontrolled power should theoretically destroy that specific time stream. Meaning that Zoom just didn’t exist at least not the best friend Zoom.
You know what I would love? A Reverse- Reverse-Flash, someone who hates Eaobard or Zalomon so much that he's as petty as them to them.
Great video boss. Zoom really is terrible for what he's done to Wally and other heroes later on. Violated Damage for no reason
I’m pretty sure Hunter is just “Zoom” and Reverse Flash is “Professor Zoom”
Imagine watching your pregnant wife fall in slow motion and you can't help.
I’d tell killer moth about it, he’d know what to do
For anyone wondering the song at the end of this amazing video is What Once Was by Her’s
Honestly i'd be mad too if i knew there's a literal time machine in the museum dedicated to my friend and it could be used whenever. Imagine just having that as public knowledge. If there's no intention to use it then it should be destroyed, especially when the person with the key is just going to say "it's dangerous bro" like i'd be incredibly pissed.
When Mullet Man Makes A Video, I Am Happy
If you’re ever interested, I’d recommend looking into Daniel West, the Reverse Flash introduced in the New 52 and ended up on the Suicide Squad. I think he’s got an interesting story that was ultimately got cut short in the Suicide Squad
Reverse flash hate seeped out into Wally after the hate tube cracked
5:31 bro pulled a juggernaut from Deadpool 2
Just want to say love your work, & hope you keep it up. Also I was wondering what comics are these from, like is there a flash omnibus, that I can buy?
i think there is a flash geoff johns omnibus that covers the entirety of wally's run as the main flash. if you search it up on amazon you may find it for roughly $100 bills
I do like how you did a video on Wally then his nemesis, keep up the great work!
The fact that thawne literally did all of this just so wally could also have a guy ruining his life, just speaks volumes to the type of hater this man eobard is
You know youre diabolical when the second most evil person in flash comics is a result of you messing around and of course he is only a second to you
8:35, yo, Death Battle reference, nice
Mullet Man Jams* to Hers? 😁 good taste, amigo
Imagine he took a week off being a hero just to mess with zoom
Hunter just goes by Zoom, profesor Zoom and Reverse Flash are names Thawne used more.
I love zoom, he's quite literally the personification of the spiderman writers as a character. Completely destroying wally's life for the sake of "making him a greater hero", the authors do the exact same thing to spiderman
I watched your Reverse flash video two days ago and after that i wanted to know who Hunter was and then you release this. Great video and thanks for fuelling my hyperfixation for the two characters
I love that story. It has real consequences and shows that not even superheroes are perfect. They are all just human.
I love this video.😊 thank you for making it. Hunter Zolomon is one of my favorite characters, and you did him justice in this video.
On your thoughts on whether he’s irredeemable or not. I disagree with you, but I see your point. It’s been pointed out that you can make a case that Hunter Zolomon is actually a realistic mentally ill person who needs therapy, unlike The Joker. That doesn’t justify his crimes, and I understand if you disagree with me, but in the right circumstance if he’s in prison and given therapy, he could likely reform. Tragically, in current comics, it may be too late for him.
A character related to Hunter that I really am interested in tragically never lived up to her potential is Hunter's ex-wife Ashley Zolomon. Ashley Zolomon is a character that is just as interesting as Hunter and suffered as much tragedy as him, and while she didn’t break like her ex-husband, she’s been through a lot. Ashley Zolomon lost her father because of her husband's mistake, divorced her husband, and months later found out that her husband became a supervillain. She gave up her career at the FBI to help her husband. Aside from making peace with Wally West, she could not allow her husband and unfortunately disappeared because of the reboot, though she reappeared in flash #800.
I said it before, but Ashley Zolomon is a character with a lot of potential. Unfortunately, because of her limited appearances, mainly because of the reboots, she never lived to her potential. What people don’t understand is what sacrifice Ashley Zolomon made for her ex-husband. Ashley Zolomon was a member of the FBI, and it showed that she was the best of the best even if it wasn’t stated, and she just walked away from her career to take a position that’s implied to be beneath her to help her ex-husband. Ashley Zolomon only said that her new job with a step down from her career at the FBI; I really wish that we had enough time to get her thoughts on her giving up her job at the FBI, and also not mentioned Ashley Zolomon must have friends and colleagues at the FBI, how would she have felt having to give up those relationships to get a new job that’s beneath her and how would they think about Ashley Zolomon throwing away her career to help her ex-husband. There, Ashley Zolomon's view of the divorce, it was made clear that Ashley views leaving Hunter as a terrible mistake and feels great guilt, she also made it clear that she will never leave Hunter again, and it’s implied that when she reformed him, she will remarry him. I would’ve loved to see Alshely's thoughts on her divorce before Hunter transformed into a supervillain and see her learn of Hunter's transformation and her decision to leave the FBI to help Hunter.
I just wanted to mention this character because I’m also a big fan of Ashley Zolomon, and I hope she reappears soon in comics and gets a proper story. I wish someone would make a video of her, but I’m not sure if there’s enough info on this character for a video. But again, thank you for making this great video.
i'd love to see either Zolomon or Thrawne dropped off in the Marvel Universe.
The realy tagic part when you realize that for hunter’s injury did not even truly need a time travel to fix his damaged spine, but simply a bit of restoration magic by a proficient user could have fixed Solomon’s spinal damage,no risky time travel involved, all those tragedies created by zoom were preventable if only wolly west had reached out to a known magic user that he was in “good”terms with or locate a Lazarus pit around the world and distill some of the enesium chemical and applied it to Solomon’s spine and that would have solved the problem, but now Wally has to live with this: if he had thought outside the box while he had the chance he could have (somewhat) prevented the creation of the hateful professor zoom and his wife(Linda) miscarriage
Awesome retelling
Its funny cause Wally was right.
Almost every time he changed the past, it went cataclysmicly
An interesting flash video with a What Once Was by Her's playing us out. I wasn't ready for that.
Fantastic video, Mullet-Man.
I've been wondering what Hunter's deal was for a while, but never really bothered to look into it. Thanks!
Those black triangles with piercing pupils give off mad Cy-Kill vibes
*Refues to kill villains
*Sends him into what is basically hell
"No kill" Superheroes got some WACKY ass logic sometimes
Like Batman putting mfs in the hospital at 1 hp
The irony that homie got what he wanted, and decided to throw it away
6:03 those had to be insane backshots.
I remember reading dis as a kid so glad I found the exact flash comic
Hunter Zoloman is Zoom. Eobard Thawne is Professor Zoom. I know that makes it more confusing, but it’s important to make that distinction
zoom so evil he got that sonic.exe eyes
If only Lazarus Pits were in keystone
When Flash comics get dark, they almost make some of Batman's look like a My Little Ponies story. 😅
I always thought that Zoom’s power was dope as shit.
A flash exist:
Eobard Thawn: and I took it personally.
The thing about Hunter Zolomon is that his stated goal is to make The Flash (and other heroes) better by putting them through a torturous and likely fatal test. He believes that if they survive his test they will be better for it. When he faced the Justice League, he mentioned that Sinestro put Hal Jordan (Green Lantern) through the same kind of test that Zoom did to The Flash...and that he emerged better for it. He also questioned Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman, what makes them better.
8:50 Eobard "Whose life can I ruin today" Thawne everybody.
Zoom thinks he's putting wally into a self-improvement movement
As if it would be so hard for a Flash to just schedule an appointment at Star Labs to fix up a fried who got injured by one of their villains.
Nice Death Battle Reverse Flash Smug Face used
As DB fan i appreciate
Sometimes I can forget how brutal the flash comics can be.
I’m not gonna lie y’all, Zoom not taking the time before ruining Wally’s life to break Grodd’s back and crucify him in front of all the gorilla people was a missed opportunity.
Before the CW I always thought of Zoom's "fastvoice" sounding shrill like one of those old Halloween ghost decorations. of course that's before I actually started reading comics. Looking over this I take him a bit more seriously now.
I’ll be real but Zolomon had his OG fit on that’s how fire it was
4:51
That’s Doubledown, Jeremy Tell. A cursed deck of cards got fused to his skin, so he can peel it off at will and turn his skin into what are basically flesh razor blades.
What’s funny to me is that comic savatar has this glatitorial spin on the same outfit as the both the reverse flash/ professor zoom, and Zoom.
Imagine all 3 of them show up to a situation and they’re like “Well 2 of us are going to have to change.”