Lex Fridman: Lionel Messi is the greatest soccer player of all time
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Man doesn’t know what he’s talking about lmaoooo saying messi didn’t work hard is insanity.
True I don't get wtf they are on about??? Hard work is like a standard for every football player not only Messi or Ronaldo in order to succeed. So, whether you're Messi or Ronaldo, you both have worked hard to get to where u are.
True, its a stinky narrative that is overused and it pisses me off
Where does he say Messi didnt work hard? He just says Messi has raw natural talent compared to Ronaldo. Messi is a natural genius whereas Ronaldo has to train certain characteristics in himself to be as good as he is. Its like Goku and Vegeta. Vegeta was a natural talent whereas Goku had to work super hard that still doesnt mean Vegeta doesnt work hard he just has instinctive genius on top of the hard work compared to Goku and thats what Lex is highlighting
@@ededdneddy988 I wasn't talking about Lex. I know he didn't bring that up. It was directed at the guests. Sorry I didn't mention.
@@ededdneddy988 what is natural in being short and having so many disadvantages???? ronaldo has significantly many god given gifts or genes in terms of height. power etcc.. but still Messi is better
Peak Lionel Messi was simply the most impressive athlete I've ever witnessed. He did things I didn't know our species was capable of doing. I seriously don't if that man is human
I love messi , but hes a grown man that kicks an inflatable air ball on a grass field ... trust me ... hes human
@@MrShyghost and he was miles better than every other player in the entire world at doing it
@@clairofan01 Ronaldo was close I don’t get what you mean
@@NIGHTMAREDEATH101 No he wasn't
@@NIGHTMAREDEATH101 he wasn't tbh
I like how they implied Messi doesn’t do hard work, and he’s just talent.
But the truth is, what he does is really hard, he just makes it look easy because he’s too good at reading the game. It’s almost impossible to copy what he does consistently throughout an entire calendar year in football. Look at hazard, it’s proof that being mentally and physically disciplined is very important. You always have to put in the hard work.
I think they are both too good with how they keep themselves consistent. Age is the only thing that will break them down.
Now to consider who is best than the other it has to be your style of play, but in reality Messi brings a lot more to the table than just scoring goals in a team and that’s a FACT. I love them both and I’m just waiting for the day they both retire so people can truly understand how hard it is to put up the numbers they do.
They didn't even mention how Mr. Hard work can't dribble anymore... If he works so hard how come his free kick sucks now? What is he working really hard for? Does tapins take that much hard work? These geniuses copy pasted the Messi is talent n Ronaldo is hard work narrative from some place else and wasted everyone's time
Ya’ll are really that naive to talk shit about Ronaldo 😂… even if Messi is better than him, Ronaldo is still one of the best to ever play football.. show some respect and stop the negativity.. !
That bother me too... Messi might be super natural talented, but he has been working on his form his entire life. Messi does the best he can with what he got, same as Cristiano.
yup some players can probably go long way just of of talent but when they creeo in their late 20s and early thirties they pretty much not players they once were but sayin that messi didnt work hard even when he was younger is ludacris if u ask me u cant be that good at that level of football if u didnt put in the work to go along with your natural abilities
i dont think they did. I think the 1st Porguese speaker started by saying people FALL INTO THE TRAP of framing it as a hard work vs natural talent situation.
Messi is not only talented, but a hard worker too. At 34 top scorer of la liga, top scorer of Copa America, 2nd highest scorer of Europe, Copa del Rey and Copa America champion. Talented, yes, but without putting the heart and the sweat he would be just like Ronaldinho with all due respect to the Brazilian Legend.
CR7 is the real deal
@@roger2326 shut up
Exactly. To disregard the work messi had to do to get the numbers and standards he has is ridiculous.
Just look at free kick goal between messi and cr. Cr was the master before but now messi hv overtakes him.
Messi has been training hard since he was a kid, it's a lifetime of effort plus talent what got him there.
I love the idea of some random football fans stumbling onto this thinking it's a sports podcast...
Edit: this is not a shot at football fans! I am one!! It's a comment on the disconnect between the standard conversation you might expect from that title, and what they're actually discussing.
Unless you support Chelsea that is, then I'm definitely surprised to see you here 😘
Hahaha oh yes. The world will be woken up.
I'm a football fan, but I also subscribe to this podcast.
Wait... It's not about sports? What's it about!?
🤣
We here
Messi is almost a savant of the game. His natural sense of space is mind blowing.
he’s never had to cover loads of ground by running off the ball his entire career either he just reads the game so insanely well it’s crazy
He is like Spider-Man or Neo from Matrix. It’s like everything around him happens at a slower pace. I have seen him live and he stands out around professional players
Messi Goals to Games Played Ratio is 0.81 and Ronaldo's is 0.73. Messi is better in statistics. Why are we pretending Ronaldo has more contributions in stats? Messi has more goals, more assists and more everything. Don't just talk about his beautiful game. WTF! I thought Lex would be more prepared. And the saying that Messi was God Gifted is a lousy argument. The only gift Messi received from God is Growth Hormone Deficiency. 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
This.
The first goal he assisted on against Netherlands last week confirms this.
"I think soccer is one of those sports where you can be the worlds best just on natural talent and without hard work and discipline"
Meanwhile its only the biggest sport in the world with the most number of practitioners, talent alone wont take you far.
Garrincha begs to differ.
Well we do have a somewhat "lazy" players like Ronaldinho, Balotelli, barbatov etc.
@@TopeA8 Garrincha played in the 60s. The pace/tempo of the modern game will leave you behind if you aren't putting in the work.
Yeah that was a strange comment.
The proclivity of talent to influence a player's final effectiveness is higher in soccer
People confuse Messi’s talent for an automatic position in Barcelona and the national team as if he had to put no effort he was just born and they took him in to the team
Messi Goals to Games Played Ratio is 0.81 and Ronaldo's is 0.73. Messi is better in statistics. Why are we pretending Ronaldo has more contributions in stats? Messi has more goals, more assists and more everything. Don't just talk about his beautiful game. WTF! I thought Lex would be more prepared. And the saying that Messi was God Gifted is a lousy argument. The only gift Messi received from God is Growth Hormone Deficiency. 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
Lionel is the most complete player I've ever seen. Passing. Finishing. Free kicks. Vision. Playmaking. Not the best Pen taker but also not as bad as people make it out to be.
Ronaldos movement inside the box and his heading ability is perfection. Other aspects of the game he doesn't really do a lot of them for quite some time now, mainly a striker.
I'm taking Lionel every day of the week. He is a magician who also worked hard to get where he is people forget he came to Europe at 13 away from his family and earned his place in one of the best teams in the world.
I think because Messi looks so naturally talented people undermine his work ethic. No player would perform like that for so many years without putting in some big sacrifice. There has also been an evolution to his game and refinement in several skills.
I agree with everything you said and if it was purely a match just to ball it out, I would take Messi. But if there was something on the line, Ronaldo might have an edge.
MESSIRVE
Messi dribbles 3-4 players and still has the vision to play the perfect through ball for his teammates. No other player can do it as good as Messi
That's why, plus leadership makes Maradona the greatest over Messi, because Maradona was better at everything than Messi and also could lead a mediacore team like Napoli and make it the best team in the best league. Messi never did that and of course 1986 Maradona's World Cup performance is still the greatest individual peace of art on the football pitch. Messi failed that too.
@@ragnarok283 That is absolute rubbish. A real leader doesn't let his team down by taking illegal substances in the middle of a WC. Maradona prime only lasted half a dozen years. Compare that to Messi's 16+. Not to mention professionalism, work ethic, discipline (on and off the pitch), and humility. Just look at the freaking numbers.
MESSI IS THE WORLD'S GREATEST EVER. MAN IS A LIVING LEGEND
Maybe
Ever won or contributed a world cup???? NO. He fell short over the past few years in the world cup. This whole new style of play is soft
@@jayeell1253 MESSI IS THE GOD OF THE GAME
Messi is super talented. CR7 is an athlete, super talented and didn’t need growth hormone. R9, CR7, Zidane, Maradona and R10 were better, in my opinion anyway. Big game players that won at international level. Messi is up there, but he got handed to him on a plate, by the players around him and the clubs that sponsored him
@@DakarEuro MESSI IS AN ALIEN. THE GOAT
He is just better footballer than all of them
Watching Messi play is a spiritual experience 😇
what a comment!
I agree.
Like that comment
so incredibly agree
Wow. Perfectly stated!
This first guy is so biased that he is not even taking Messi’s name. Lmao! The fact that he said that in soccer u can be the best without working hard only says how far away he has been in his life from any kind of sport!
It’s plain stupid the way he says in soccer you don’t have to work hard to one of the best!
@Rom ulus Ronaldo has won last 3 years?? He will also have a disgraced exit from Juventus...just wait LOL
@Rom ulus "No wonder he left the disgraced team Barcelona". You just discredited your entire point with your last sentence.
@Rom ulus dude yor papa almost made it to europa league.
agreed he is one of those cringe fansbois that lives in denial.
bro Ronaldinho partied all the time and didn't care about training and he was probably the best technical player to ever step on a pitch during his prime. He is completely right
You definitely need hard work and discipline to play at the highest levels. Many young players in Brazil are extremely talented, but many do not make it to Europe because they are inconsistent or are unable to keep up with the workload.
Lmao why do they think Messi doesn't work just as hard as Ronaldo? They don't know much about the sport given how they answered that... Also claiming that Ronaldo doesn't have natural talent, like WTF. 🤣
@@thehomiebearfifa3528 anyone who claims that I can just assume they never played sports at a decent level. Every pro athlete worked hard to get to where they are at regardless of talent. To become “the greatest ever”, talent needs to be there obviously, but to act like these guys dont work hard is ridiculous
bad take
Messi Goals to Games Played Ratio is 0.81 and Ronaldo's is 0.73. Messi is better in statistics. Why are we pretending Ronaldo has more contributions in stats? Messi has more goals, more assists and more everything. Don't just talk about his beautiful game. WTF! I thought Lex would be more prepared. And the saying that Messi was God Gifted is a lousy argument. The only gift Messi received from God is Growth Hormone Deficiency. 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
After the 2022 World Cup...this has been cemented.
When people who never played football talk about Messi lol the “beauty” you are talking about was a by-product of many variables, including training and lots of repetition.. basically, hard work in its own way
No, there is moments of genius where you can see a spark of their imagination because they pull something unthinkable. I watch and play soccer so when he says the “beauty” thats what he means
He does train everybody trains and does repetitions we can all train hard but we all think differently.
@@reccosevil Messi practiced in tranings and matches for more 10 years before the world knew who he was. The act of PRACTICE and REPETITION produces “genius” moments. As an athlete, your body learns with experience; the success and failure against good opposition (e.g., good central backs/mid fielders/goalkeepers etc made Messi practice harder; personal goals: eyeing for a spot in the main squad made Messi practice harder, after all let’s not forget there was a guy called Ronaldinho playing for Barcelona before the world cared about Messi). This is just one part of equation. There is the pre-season; the diets; the resting in between training and matches; the hunger - having a player like CR7 in Spain kept Messi on his element; etc.
There’s no question that messi is a more naturally talented footballer. There’s no question Renaldo is a harder worker. We all know every professional sports person had to work hard and do lots of repetition but the point is some are more naturally talented and some work herder
@@danielhammond8252 exactly Ronaldo = hard work
Messi = hard work + talent
you can be the hardest working guy in the world but it doesn't matter if the other guy is also working as hard as you are but also has talent on top of that, a good example for this is Michael Jordan every NBA player is hard working including him but he simply was more talented than them and in order to be the best in the world you need that edge that only the talent can give you
@@dariomladenovski7047 Ronaldo is also talented though. Youre crazy to think that anyone who gets to be regarded as one of the best of all time doesnt have some sort of talent there lol a majority of pro athletes have natural talent
When people say Messi doesn't work hard, one example you can tell them to debunk it is to compare his free kicks at the start of his career and now
Messi Goals to Games Played Ratio is 0.81 and Ronaldo's is 0.73. Messi is better in statistics. Why are we pretending Ronaldo has more contributions in stats? Messi has more goals, more assists and more everything. Don't just talk about his beautiful game. WTF! I thought Lex would be more prepared. And the saying that Messi was God Gifted is a lousy argument. The only gift Messi received from God is Growth Hormone Deficiency. 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
Lionel Messi is talented but also has an insane work ethic. His consistency for the past 15 years has been unmatched. His 7 Balon D'Ors speak for themself.
Messi Goals to Games Played Ratio is 0.81 and Ronaldo's is 0.73. Messi is better in statistics. Why are we pretending Ronaldo has more contributions in stats? Messi has more goals, more assists and more everything. Don't just talk about his beautiful game. WTF! I thought Lex would be more prepared. And the saying that Messi was God Gifted is a lousy argument. The only gift Messi received from God is Growth Hormone Deficiency. 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
That’s actually it Lex. Football, or most sports for that matter, have beautiful moments. They are artistic expressions and there is a reason why football is the beautiful game. So yes, Messi is the best artist out there, by very very far. It’s not close guys. Messi is art.
He’s not an artist. Just as Federer isn’t an artist when he hits an aesthetically beautiful backhand on Centre Court. They’re world-class athletes, and there’s no shame in making that distinction. Leave art to the Picassos and Scorseses of this world, and let the athletes give us the great sporting moments we all know and love. I see what you mean though :)
Exactly!
@@hugo9547 Yes, he is an artist. For example, Maradona at world cup 86. The whole cup, specially the england match, goal of the century and goal with the hand. That match has more art than most of Picasso and Scorseses.
@@hugo9547 IIt's just a question of perspective. Whether it's art or not is debatable.
For me, certain footballers are artists. Anticipation, creativity, playing the right pass at the right moment, playing an impossible pass, controlling the action, ball handling, coupled with will, passion, dedication. For me, this is art.
I don't know if you are from Europe, but look at compilations of Iniesta, Messi, Xavi, Maradona, Ronaldo R9, Pirlo, Ronaldinho, Paul Scholes, Zinedine Zidane.
Maybe you will understand what I mean.
@@meiermuller1162 I'm from London, and a lifelong Chelsea supporter. I love football, I just think that world-class athleticism should be equally lauded as artistry. Would you say Picasso's fine brushwork was sporting-like? But I see your point, In that case, I'd add the" artistry" of Juan Roman Riquelme to your list, along with any player from the Invincibles era, particularly Henry and Bergkamp
Lex, I never hear about soccer from the podcasts I listen to but if you can bring Zlatan Ibrahimovic on your show, that will be a very VERY unique choice of guest. He is a character, please lexyyyy, pleaseeeee
Bro, don't call the guy Lexy with four Ys, come on.
Sure, why notm
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@@jorgegomez524 Why Jorge
@@jorgegomez524 Wow! double negative,great stuff.
Tallent gets you nowhere.
Messi is both better giftwise and workwise .
Messi is more consistent every match.
Cristiano isn't in the conversation for Best EVER.
5:30
You are all to young to talk about Maradona and Pele and the work they did!
My father has watched both and says Messi is the best! For his consistency and for the BEAUTY he puts on every time he plays.
The amount of disrespect on this vid is off the charts bro..... I'm thinking do they even watch football? Should Americans even be allowed to talk abt the beautiful game?
Messi is not a more consistent player. Messi was consistent at Barca during the golden age. If you look outside , national team, PSG he is consistently bad. Ronaldo had many teams an won titles with all. Messi is the more spectacular and innovative player. It makes more fun to watch Messi but he is not as effective without the amazing Barca team.
Messi’s had the most g/a’s(individual goals as well) recorded by any individual player in a single season. It’s genuinely outrageous when you think about it.
Love Ronaldo btw, but it’s one of those statistics that’s impossible to overlook.
He played with Iniesta and Xavi. He played for the Spanish World Cup team. He didn’t drag a team by the scruff
Messi Goals to Games Played Ratio is 0.81 and Ronaldo's is 0.73. Messi is better in statistics. Why are we pretending Ronaldo has more contributions in stats? Messi has more goals, more assists and more everything. Don't just talk about his beautiful game. WTF! I thought Lex would be more prepared. And the saying that Messi was God Gifted is a lousy argument. The only gift Messi received from God is Growth Hormone Deficiency. 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
@@DakarEuro 2019 says hi
@@antiwokehuman What? Kashmir says hi 👋
@@DakarEuro what?😂😂😂 You ok bro. I don't even understand what mean. If you want to talk about territorial issues or terrorism or human rights violations, i can understand you bringing in kasmir. But we're talking about football here😂
There is no way they could say Messi’s natural talent kept him relevant and at the top of world football for 15+ plus years there has to be an insane amount of work that has to go in the way he’s worked and prepared himself allowed his gift to flourish he doesn’t get 7 balon dors without working as hard if not harder than Ronaldo that’s just wrong to think not to take anything from Ronaldo he’s amazing in his own right but he’s played I believe pro football 3 years more than Leo and Messi is right there with him you can’t say you’re a football fan and say you don’t enjoy Messi’s game he is everything that’s beautiful about the game.
I don't understand why people say messi doesn't work hard. I guess he does hundreds shots when training, running with the ball ..... Hard work doesn't only mean going to the gym and lifting weights it is also training with the ball for hours all the day doing the same thing again and again. I am sure that s how messi achieved greatness he wasn't born like this he EARNED it all by his work.
Messi is clearly better for many reasons. Even in just goal scoring, his goals per appearance is substantially higher than Christiano Ronaldo’s.
True but if it wasn’t for cr7’s knee injury back in 2014 it may have been a different story
Agree. Neither better than Maradona though.
CR7 is the top goal scorer in the champions league and actually shows up in knockout rounds and finals which makes him the GOAT messi has no backbone
@@Sheepwillbesheep Maradona will plenty suck in todays way of playing football.....We are talking 30+ years of football development...Imagine Messi playing for 30 years ago.....
yeah Messi is a complete player and he is never selfish while Ronaldo is just another selfish forward striker waiting on someone else to give him a good ball so he can score
There is absolutely no comparison between Cr7 and Messi!
Messi is on a level of his own don’t be blind!
Exactly, and Messi has improved his freekick at the age of 34. Where as for Cr7, you can anticipate his freekick will be over the bar. Despite his pretentious stance before the run up.
@Mayur Pawar Are you talking about his 1st stint at United? Yes i have, he's not that great, during that era, the freekick specialist was Juninho at Lyon.
Even Ronaldinho was still playing when C. Ronaldo was 1st stint at united.
@Mayur Pawar C. Ronaldo? Is that United fanboy opinion or general football sentiment between 10 independent judges?
2 Portuguese and a Russian caling football of Soccer..
We don't need to be woke.
We can give Lex a clear pass on this since his audience demographic tends to be more American.
@@ashish_sunny A good opportunity to teach the American the name of the biggest sport in the world.
@@_nuno3852 Sports have official names, they also have unofficial names just like anything else in life. To be angry at an unofficial name means you have serious issues.
OMG Somebody called football soccer....oh no my life is over. I am from Nigeria which has the world's highest football participation rate, but I am not going to be offended if somebody calls it soccer. Sure I can joke about hand egg and other things like that, and understand why other sports should probably not be called football, but to go from youtube comment to youtube comment getting angry about the name soccer is just moronic.
It's simply not that serious. Calling Table Tennis, Pingpong is really not serious. If I decide to call Tennis, hitting....it really wouldn't be serious. I think the bigger issue here is probably that this is some type of passive aggression towards America? If Scottish people were the ones calling football soccer, would it be as big a problem?
Everything in life has unofficial names, but football has an unofficial name and people want to get a heart attack over it.
@@TopeA8 Scottish people are not gonna call football soccer, we call it fitba as it happens
It's futbol not football
Agree Messi is the greatest footballer of all time, and I have respect for Cr7 the guy works hard and he deserve all those awards he has achieved.
Messi Goals to Games Played Ratio is 0.81 and Ronaldo's is 0.73. Messi is better in statistics. Why are we pretending Ronaldo has more contributions in stats? Messi has more goals, more assists and more everything. Don't just talk about his beautiful game. WTF! I thought Lex would be more prepared. And the saying that Messi was God Gifted is a lousy argument. The only gift Messi received from God is Growth Hormone Deficiency. 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
They both have world class talent and world class work ethic. You don't stay on top for over a decade without both
yes but Ronaldo is the result of pure hard work while Messi is the result of hard work + talent
@@dariomladenovski7047 No, Ronaldo obviously was very talented too or else Man United would have never have signed him from Sporting. It's his hard work that took him from skinny, tricky winger to one of the greatest. I agree Messi may have more natural talent but to say Ronaldo has no talent is just wrong.
Messi Goals to Games Played Ratio is 0.81 and Ronaldo's is 0.73. Messi is better in statistics. Why are we pretending Ronaldo has more contributions in stats? Messi has more goals, more assists and more everything. Don't just talk about his beautiful game. WTF! I thought Lex would be more prepared. And the saying that Messi was God Gifted is a lousy argument. The only gift Messi received from God is Growth Hormone Deficiency. 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
Messi had a medical condition that literally zapped his
Energy snd stopped his growth he worked his ass off not to mention he doesn’t have the physical gifts cristano has
@@nathangraham1767 ronaldo was better equipped than messi at the age of 17 in terms of height and raw power...
didnt zap shit lmao. all it was were growth hormones. didn't magically gave him talent. he actually slowly built in a body physique. he still had the after effects of throwing up mid games. also Ronaldo was a fucking twig at messis age. then again i can tell ur some penaldo fan or a madridiot.
Messi took human growth hormones from the age of 12 or so til maturity. He’s not a natural and most likely would not have been a pro without medical intervention. HGH is illegal in pro sports btw
Of course the two Portuguese guests will choose ronaldo. Ronaldo is really good, but messi is just on a human level where it's questionable if he is human.
Read one book The Art of Football and the writer there said, many of the football players are skilled and born talented ( some infact rival Messi's skills) but at the end it's the hardwork and mental zeal that will make u the best. So I beg to differ, Messi is not just Naturally born talented player but he's a hard worker. Just coz Cr7 put out his gym pic on insta and Messi doesn't then it doesn't mean he's not working hard as much as Cr7.
To put it simply, Lionel Messi is a glitch in the matrix
His entire career so far in La Liga has had managers and defenders set team blueprints to stop Messi, none of them succeeded.
He has now joined a lower quality league and will now show the people of France how and why he is considered a freak of nature on a weekly basis.
We will never see anything remotely close to Messi, enjoy it whilst you can
glitch in the matrix that didn't work vs Germany in the final 2014, didn't work vs chile twice, didn't work vs Uruguay at home 2011, nor vs brazil 2007, glitch in the matrix that didn't win the champions league in a team that didn't have xavi and iniesta, gltich in the matrix that had to play copa america almost every 2 years to win it in empty stadiums after pretty much most big teams have won it while he was watching them left the cup or ko'ed early on while playing for a giant in football called argentina in a competition that only has 12 participants, glitch in the matrix that destroyed the defenses of every team in the copa america in 2021 until the one match that counts the most to score or assist in vs brazil he disappeared and had to have di maria do it for him to win, glitch in the matrix when he was outperformed twice in 2010 and 2019 but he won the balloon d'or to easier the pain of WC failure in 2010, and with no champions league win in 2019. I can go on all night.
@@DreamLurker32 you must have forgotten the basic principle of football being a *team game* and that no one man can beat every opposition team alone 🤡
@@playboxcasual8319 go watch messi's 2 clear chances vs Germany in a WC 2014 Final, better yet, watch his chance vs brazil in Copa America final this year 2021, are you sure the team is still to blame for him missing easy chances?? lol the man has been known since he was a teenager that he simply disappears with Argentina vs any big opponents, I have memories of watching him that dates back to 2007 Copa America final vs brazil Messi who was doing very well in the copa and chipping goal keepers completely disappeared vs brazil. I have seen it many times, and that never changed.
@@DreamLurker32 you're clearly upset about Messi and that's some personal issue for you to deal with
But since the age of 18 the guy has been playing at The Highest level of quality and achieved +30 goals and assists year in, year out despite being at somewhat of a physical disadvantage as compared to most professional athletes in the footballing field.
You're arguing against reality, you won't win
@@playboxcasual8319 what? win what? i don't care, it's all opinions, whatever let's just leave it here, have a good rest of year.
I came here for the football talk and stayed for the algorithmic cold reading insanity.
Pleaseeee, call it football!
Yes, is absurd how gringos also dared to appropiate the football name with their silly sport
Literally just one country call it soccer and they're not from it
Messi Dribbling might be natural but since the start of his career and till now his passing and freekick have improved a lot significantly and obviously it is because of the hardwork his putting on those qualities to improve.
Messi Goals to Games Played Ratio is 0.81 and Ronaldo's is 0.73. Messi is better in statistics. Why are we pretending Ronaldo has more contributions in stats? Messi has more goals, more assists and more everything. Don't just talk about his beautiful game. WTF! I thought Lex would be more prepared. And the saying that Messi was God Gifted is a lousy argument. The only gift Messi received from God is Growth Hormone Deficiency. 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
Absolutely. It's amazing seeing how his game has transformed with increasing age. He used to just blitz past defenders and dribble like crazy early in his career. Now he's much more calculated in his plays and has taken the role of a provider. He's a perfect example of a player changing his game to suit the team and himself. I always knew that with his talent he could easily play in midfield when he started slowing down.(i know he still plays as a forward, but you get my point)
With Leo, it's not just goals, simple football made simpler coz he's just a wizard, one of the best playmakers the game has ever seen and scores goals like a traditional poacher while playing as a false 9 or free roaming winger. In his peak, he was untouchable. The dude is marked by 2 to 4 players and he just swish and swosh around them.
Stats don't do justice to his genius work of art. But if you want to bring it, he's got it covered. Most goals in a single calender year, most assist in the history of football, consistently overperforming his G/A for the past 15 years and so much more. But really you just gotta watch Messi. He's just something else entirely.
all you said is true and messi is ONE of the gratest players of all time top 5 no debate ofc but i hate how people dissregard some of the past legends of the game that at their time were levels above rest like messi is today
@@lazarsimovic4089 agreed messi is one of the thee GOATS and he ain't number 5 or 4 or 3 or 2.....he is the undisputed forever reigning number one of all time if you disagree, you don't know football it's easy like that and yes past legends were good for their times and were miles ahead of their era players but messi still run around them whether it was Maradona or pele or whatever, they wouldn't get squeezed to be half as good as messi is......messi is above all, the best there ever was, the best there is and the best there ever will be.
I agree. The beauty of Messi's game is overpowering and inspiring. More important than the goals.
Messi Goals to Games Played Ratio is 0.81 and Ronaldo's is 0.73. Messi is better in statistics. Why are we pretending Ronaldo has more contributions in stats? Messi has more goals, more assists and more everything. Don't just talk about his beautiful game. WTF! I thought Lex would be more prepared. And the saying that Messi was God Gifted is a lousy argument. The only gift Messi received from God is Growth Hormone Deficiency. 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
Lex proving his giant intellect with the Messi pick.👌
I mean I agree with Messi being the Goat but Lex’s knowledge stops there it’s easy to call what Messi does art but his knowledge literally seems like he listens to yt shorts for his knowledge
There’s a big misconception about Messi being the best because of his god-given talent. Messi has worked hard his entire life. I do think Ronaldo takes hard work and dedication to another level but that doesn’t mean Messi didn’t work hard to get to where he is. If we’re talking about football, Messi is hands down the best player of all time; stats and art wise. Messi has Maradona level performance almost every game. IMO, top 5:
1. Messi
2. Cristiano Ronaldo
3. Maradona
4. Pele
5. Zidane or Beckenbauer
Messi played only in 1 team that was build arround him since day 1. He won ballon d’ors while sepp blatter (biggest corrupt in football) was in charge. Sepp blatter even said that he prefers messi above ronaldo lol. Imagine adam silver saying he likes steph curry more then lebron and thinks steph curry plays basketball the right way, in the time he won back to back mvp’s it would be seen as corruption ofcourse. But adam silver is a far better commissioner then Sepp was ever as chairman. Now for the first time messi will be playing outside of spain. And he went to the weakest league out of all the 5.
@@soulsearchingsince9523 LMAO yeah because Ronaldo didn’t have great teams with Man U, Madrid and Juventus 😂
@@lukitas207 ronaldos united team and juventus are nothing on par with the likes of messis barcelona teams🤣🤣🤣🤣, messi has too many black stains on his resume, there is no player as influential and that can take over a game at his own will than cristiano ronaldo, the greatest footballer ever, now why dont you americans go back and watch hockey or some shit
Ronaldo is only one kid. El phenomenon. All aspects of the game better than Messi. Unlucky for his injuries. Today we live in the worst era of football. 15 years dominated by only 2 players. Football is ugly and defensive. Messi player his whole career surrounded by the best when he was put out of his comfy zone he choked. 0 goals at his peak in a World Cup. Only one foot. Maybe the best midfielder but there were many players more complete than Messi. You kids are delusional.
@@lukitas207 thats diffrent then litterlay grewing up at a top club since 6. The team was litterlay build arround him the day ronaldinho future’s was uncertain.
In the short time we are here, find beauty; surround yourself with it. Beauty of thought, action, spirit, aesthetic is what life should be about. Leo Messi atleast in his early to mid career embodied beauty and uplifted so many. The joy he brough fleeting as it has to be continues to live in our memories (big assist to YT). For that I am grateful.
Well put, he brings joy and wonder to fans of the sport, even non fans.
Was he just trying to say Ronaldo got to where he is from just hard work??
The guy is some kinda freaking athletic Adonis freak, yes from hard work as well but you can't just be CR7 from hard work alone.
Obviously Ronaldo is talented and gifted but when you compare to someone like messi who is far more gifted it just seems like Ronaldo is holding on with just hard work….
@@Scaraptor619 i never quite got that line ot thinking. Messi worked just as hard as Ronaldo. His life has been training since he's 12 and actually, he is not naturally fit to play, he's had many problems with growth when young and then other issues on his 20s which he fought against.
What i see is tha CR7 did work to change his style of play and is still probably, even at his age, one of the most physical players you can find. Most guys at his age could not run or fight for the ball like he does.
@@blackmage567 Messi is a hard worker but definitely not on Ronaldo level of working hard
@@aformula4198 i mean if you just look at how he works you'd know he isnt less of a worker. As i said above, he overcame those problems with hard work, strict diets, lots of hours of training after hours, etc. He spent years practicing free kicks after hours and he became a top class kicker.
@@blackmage567 I know he works hard but if you listen to what the stories their teammates have to say about them, you'll know Ronaldo works harder.
One of the most accurate and factual titles for a youtube video ever. Only problem is the 'soccer' part.
Sorry Messi might be more hardworking than CR. Yeah CR is also talented (god gifted),But saying CR is most hard working is not correct.
Yess it is. Cristiano Ronaldo litterlay runs olympic time, jumps higher then the average nba player and has elite sprinting. Stop it, thats all hard work.
@@soulsearchingsince9523 that’s not only hard work, that’s genetics.
He trains harder than any professional football player out there. You read stories about how he out last his peers with duration and intensity.
Messi is superior, a more complete player.
However, a better approach is to accept both are great and enjoy them while we can, they are very different players. Ronaldo is a goal scorer, Messi is a goal scorer but also a playmaker, hence his much higher assist/passing numbers etc. We have been lucky to watch them play.
Only played in 1 league
messi is not more complete, Ronaldo has a better other foot and is one of the greatest in the air of all time... however what Messi does have is just so far away from what anyone else has that he is without doubt the goat (and is a better playmaker ur right)
@@soulsearchingsince9523 Dumbest argument ever
@@thiefoftomorrow what does he “have” LMfao
You can come up with many variables to determine who is better and the number of leagues they played in and were successful in could be one of those variables but I don't put a lot of value in that. Pele basically only played in Brazil and that did not count against him. Messi will probably triumph in France so that will make this a mute point but anyway, it is so subjective
Of course Messi works hard but on the pitch he reads it so well he doesn't have to work so hard!!!! People talking about football who don't have a clue !!!!!
Of course he works hard but in different ways. People talk about how many hours ronaldo spends in the gym to sprint and leap. Messi just spends hour with the ball at his feet.
It's not even close. Messi will be the greatest the world will ever see.
Ronaldinho G. was also Messi's mentor and probably his greatest inspiration.
I think he is a big Ronaldo fan. The only person Messi asked a jersey from.
@@ashish_sunny that's very possible as well, because Ronaldo was the biggest star while Messi was a little kid.
i think Pep sold Ronaldinho because he was becoming a bad influence on Messi , his party ways. Ronaldinho declined straight after Barca
Ronaldinho was one of the greatest, his only problem was consistency, he could have done way more.
Diego was unique. So elegant yet raw
Have u ever watch Pele, Garrincha or Ronaldo clip? So u don't know what is pure talent
If we're talking inconsistant aesthetics and moments of genius in football why not mention Ronaldinho? I agree that both Messi and Ronaldo #2 have been way better players but Ronaldinho's top play was incomparable.
Ronaldinho in his prime was just beautiful, nothing even compares to that
Totally agree, Ronaldinho is #1 based on that criteria, his performance in 2005 against Real Madrid at Bernabeu is the proof of it.
I agree with that in terms of moments of sporadic genius Ronaldinho is my fave. Check out the youtube vid 'ronaldinho's sexiest passes'. I've watched this at least 500 times and just gasp.
Yeah he played for like 5 seasons competitively
Ronaldinho had those moments for 5 years. Messi has had them for 15 years!
The question was: who is the greatest footballer of all time, not who works or not for success. Ronaldo is a fine scorer period, much respect to him.
Messi is simply magic, a gift to us football lovers.
where can i find football dataset
When I talk about the GOAT of anything, I always talk about the most naturally gifted people of all time. I mean, you can train to become good at something but you cant beat someone with natural talent. Maybe you are better than him because you train more but training, thats just discipline, it's no rocket science.
I would love to see you with an argentinian talking about Messi, Maradona and soccer in general.
Well... here i am...
@@andresfrancisosetti7746 whos better ronaldo vs messi and who is your goat bro?
@@alierenyondemir8511
1. Messi vs ronaldo: messi
2. Although im old enough to say Maradona, i personally never liked what he represents here in Argentina (you should have to live here to understand what i mean), so Messi again, but my opinion shouldnt count cause its not strictly soccer oriented.
Maradona in Argentina is revered as a god (I'm not happy about that but that's what it is)
Why is there a perception that Messi didn't work hard just because he's talented?
He couldn't be what he is today at 34 yrs of age without working like a horse everyday. He just happens to be immensly talented as well.
Headline..."Water is wet"
Leo is by far the greatest... by far
@Mayur Pawar why don't you watch
Heard about Pelé? Youngest world champion for a long time, scoring in the final, 3 times world champion, 1000 goals. Chill down
@@pauloneneve8561 only 1 bro wc bro rest 2 from his teammates
@@solitude365 ill give it to you that 62 was on garrincha (edit: only because he received an criminal fault that made him miss the entire cup, and it was because he had smoked everybody in 58), but 58 and 70 was his. Just watch again
@@pauloneneve8561 okay I will watch.
Nooway, Maradona !!
Is he implying Messi doesn’t work hard hahaha?
Basically Lex is saying he likes Messi because he likes how he plays regardless of whether he delivers results or not. So there is already a bias in relation to what is an aesthetic that is beautiful.
For many others, CR7 is the best ever because of his persona, the stardom, the clutch player, the complete poacher ; header, weak foot, back heels etc. Many people also tend to neglect the aesthetics of dribbling of Ronaldo in Man Utd.
Although Messi is the greatest dribbler and chance creator, Ronaldo’s mentality for desire to win no matter what, his decisiveness and clutch moments make him the greatest poacher, for many as a whole, the better player
Messi is from another DMT Realm!
The man is the GOAT
100% Messi is so pure, he's like flowing wine
Are we talking about the same man who hasn’t wone the champions league since 2015?
@@arnold-hu4vk top scorer in la liga ? La liga the Nr 4 league in the world?? Nr 1 is PL 2nd bundesliga 3rd italy and 4th spain. an did he lead it? Lol you mean Di Maria did that. Messi was NOWHERE that match lmfao. And the ballon d’or? The popularity contest? Lol messi wild fold in ligue 1
@@arnold-hu4vk And who dissapeared in the final and did absolutely NOTHING??? Your boi messi. Ronaldo did more for portugal then messi did for argentin by the numbers lol.
I get tired of people saying Ronaldo works hard and has less talent. Ronaldo was so talented and technical at a young age he just became an efficient goal scoring machine.
This is why lex has the best podcast
Messi is the benchmark of football. There will never be another like him.
Ronaldo is much more physically gifted than Messi. Yet, Messi is still considered the GOAT at only 5’7”. You can’t get to that level without hard work.
Would be interesting to get Lex to talk to the guys from Brentford about their "Moneyball" style approach to the game.
Was thinking of that too lol, fascinating fasho
nice timing, if you talk about this kinda thing on JRE as well that'd be mama miaaa
03:44 - need to update the caption, Leo Messi won the world cup by scoring and making every single goal his team scored in all the key games. Undoubtedly, the greatest who ever laced a pair of boots.
Lex - you should try and speak to Paul and Oliver Collyer - they were the original makers of the Championship Manager video game series from the 90s. Be great to see how they captured and utilised all the player data for that game and if there are any learnings for your project.
Any hardcore fan who’s watched Messi on a regular basis throughout his career knows he’s not only the greatest of all time, but he’s COMFORTABLY the greatest of all time.
Maradona was better.
Having watched his whole career I totally agree. I think Brazilian Ronaldo may have been as talented but his injuries didn't help him. Maradona is up there for sure. But messi was consistently genius for so so long. It would be robbery to say anyone else.
There’s a quote: Messi is like maradona everyday he played. Even maradona wasn’t maradona everyday.
@@vonalxao1 ...except in all those games Messi choked with Argentina.... And the games (granted not a lot) where he completely disappeared in Barca...
@@XxChuyoxX no, I mean like when he shot a HORRIBLE PK and lost the Copa America final. He's choked way too many times in crucial moments with Argentina. Chokes that cost Argentina titles. Hence why he only has really just one title with Argentina, and it also happened to be the only time he played an international tournament with zero fans in the stadium, hence less pressure. If covid wasn't a thing he probably would've choked this Copa America too, with the pressure from the Argentina fans, as he always did before....
Yes, CR7 is just hard work. As if hard work would give you what he achieved without any natural talent. He was incredible at 18 when he moved to MU. Pure talent.
Then he became a tap-in merchant when he went to RMA
Of course CR7 has a lot of talent. But he has no where near the natural talent that Messi has.
When Messi is done playing, unlike any other player, you wont be able to describe how good he was, how he played and what made him so good
thats true but its same with me when i talk with generation a bit younger than me not that much tho that didnt get to see Ronald R9 play all they seen is highlits and look at his stats (which were ridiculus actualy) i cant rly tell them just how good he was
The "tragedy" about Messi is that he makes things look so simple that people think he does not work hard to achieve them. People just don't score 91 goals in a calendar year through sheer talent.
Lex knows his football 💪. I admired him before, but now he's my idol.
If you think Ronaldo just worked hard and didn't have insane talent to begin with you're delusional
Exactly, Ronaldo is mad talented. Same can be said for Messi too, If you think Messi just talented without hardwork you're delusional
Makes no sense you can’t be as good as Messi has for the past 20 years based on talent alone. Talent alone was maradona and dinho who were amazing but only for a few years. Messi has been top of the game for 20 years because of his talent and hard work. Messi is a level above
Messi has achieved it all....he can look back at his career proudly
LEX WENT FOR THE KILL
Asking someone from Portugal at a time like this.
Long live Lionel Messi.
Long live this podcast!
Messi fans always delusional
And I never even spoke ill of the absolutely amazing talent that is CR7. Have a great time watching CR7 score his last 13 penalties in Turin.
@@dadmonster1019 “long live messi” lol if messi would have trained penalty’s he wouldn’t missed them in cruch time. Oh yeah and the 13 penalties are the reason why ronaldo is ahead in scoring.
@@soulsearchingsince9523 i have no idea what you're talking about man. No one can even talk shit about the man, he squashed South America at 34. Literally the best player of the tournament. CR7 is a beast. No doubt. The closest living player to a legacy like Messi's. Just pull up the stats my guy.
@@dadmonster1019 you mean Di maria. The same player that stopped Real Madrid ucl drought and the same man who helped messi and argentina. And thats facts
For me perosnally it would be Ronaldinho.
1000%
Messi reached the level of Mastery in football. you can see how he always score similar goals , its evident that he works hard practicing the same move and do not try hard but does what he practiced over and over and its beautiful. id love to see or hear Robert"s Green Author of "Mastrey" take on messi after studying him
Maradona is for far the greatest. No one ever played better than Maradona did in the World Cup 1986. That was the closest that any football player was to perfection and it was in the most important tournament in the world.
Regarding the talent VS hard work debate .
Generally in life , very high levels of success can only be reached with hard work , doesn’t matter how talented you are . Sure talent adds something , but at the extremely high performance level talent means less and less and hard work becomes the big differentiator .
There are so many players, too many to count that have extraordinary talent but never seem to unlock there potential and that’s why . You can never ever reach the top with talent alone and Messi is no exception . You can watch interviews of players who played with him , they all attest to his work ethic and discipline .
Messi can take a year off vacation and comeback and still outskill and out match ppl who worked for over that period of time. his talent is beyond just natural.
When ronaldo scores we say “wow”. When messi scores we say “how?”
so those ronaldo freekicks in the premier league and the shot against porto are not a ''how?'' got it
@@antonioficalho251 ahh i see we have a ronnie fan boy
I don't think the WC should be the deciding factor. Here is a list of players, who have never won the WC: Cruyf, Van Basten, Platini, Di Stefano, Puskas, Eusebio..., the list goes on. A mediocre player from Germany or Brazil, has a higher chance of winning the WC, than a world class player from a smaller country (in football terms)
To do any kind of good analysis of sports, it is imperative to take into account anticipation. Most stats show you the action but not the anticipation. However all great sportsmen are ahead of their peers by a few neurons. Ronaldo for example is known for his excellent heading ability. But what makes it possible is that he can pick the trajectory of a cross before others some times even before the cross is made because he can read the body of the crosser. Unless stats capture this kind of anticipation, you can never truly have a good metric of sports.
después de esto te quiero más Lex! Aguante el Diego y messi!
This is actually completely on topic because Messi is an alien
The guy in black from The side Looking like suarez especially when he smiles!!🤣
Messi put hardwork watching his diet early on to made sure he'd no longer injury prone during his teen years..when he gained weight during 2012,2013 he quickly bounce back to cut that weight..some recent evidence was some journalist send him food that he politely refused because hes been on diet..and thats only talking about diet..the likes of hazard failed to do
"Messi has more talent, Cristiano is more of a goalscorer, more ambition, he is a self-made player. It is incredible that in the era of Messi, he has been able to win five Ballons d'Or. He has been massively important, as he showed at Real Madrid." - Guti on Messi and Ronaldo
Guti is a Madrid player. Messi is the better and more of a goal scorer after all he has the record of most goals scored in a year 91, most goals in a season 50, most club goals 670+, top scorer of pretty much every record. In fact Ronaldo has a few more total goals, than Messi who is 2 years younger and has played less games. Record of Golden boots (6), soon to be 7. You get the point
@Mayur Pawar He was a winger and Messi plays as an attacking midfielder for most of his career. whats your point?
@Mayur Pawar Imagine messi having the most assists and goals for a club and scoring 91 goals in a season and having the audacity to say carried by the best team lol
I fell in love with FOOTBALL because of 2006/2007 CR7 and nothing has changed since.
so a terrible player i see.
@@r3mxd shut up, as the biggest Messi fan my second favourite player ever is the Manu version of Ronaldo 😍
If you asked two Portugueses who the best footballer is, of course they will say Lionel Messi. That's an obvious answer.
How many "Talented" players have we seen that did not make it? No matter what talent you have, hardwork gets you to the next level. Not a single coach has said that Messi trains less than another player. Messi is a genius cause his awareness of space, opponent body position and movement, pure ball control and tactical skill comes from hardwork. No flashy skills, just close control and moving through spaces is just out of this world, and the tenacity to drive to the box to score is amazing.
Lex talking Soccer!!! Love it! 🙏🏼
Straight off the bat that line of not needing hard work, just talent in soccer is so absolutely ignorant. It's probably one of the most physically and mentally demanding sports in the world, at the elite level. You need to be in perfect shape practically all year long, and you are demanded to perform 4-8 times every month, where the tiniest mistakes can lead to heavy criticism or a huge turn of fortune in your career. There's a reason soccer players suffer a lot of injuries and quite a few of them have been talking about the mental tolls of their career recently. Of course they make good money, but compare that to some UFC fighters or boxers who fight like 1-2 A YEAR and still make ridiculous money.
Ronaldo plays for perfection
Messi plays for love
Did not expect this crossover at all :) :)
Emile heskey would have something to say about this
It's so easy to say messi has God given talent ... the guy plays like God .because he works hard. He is an artist there's no one like him
It makes me laugh hearing people argument that Messi is just talent no hard work. Maradona, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Brazilian Ronaldo all were talent but could nor survive either because of injury or lack of disciple. Messi is 35 in 2022 and is still scoring 50 G/A this year. One does not do that without hard work. Yes one thing he does not do is post his work out sessions online like Ronaldo. He does his hard work in quite. People are stupid thinking someone can be this incredible for past 15 years just because of natural talent not hard work.
The implications that u can be the best without working hard is beyond stupid