Speaking with all due respect, when one listens to the official narrative of perfect preservation without prejudice, one cannot help but think of a house of cards.
To understand preservation, we have to first understand revelation. Once you understand revelation, and the 7 letters, you automatically understand preservation correctly.
@@amiros_2001 meaningless waffle. We understand revelation. Mohammad got some stuff from Shayran and some from his iwn head...badly remembered Christian, Paganand gnostic stories. It's as plain as the nose on your face
That’s only because you are so used to everything around you being built on flimsy evidence. Your skeptic mind has been shaped around all the lies that surround you existence that you cant possibly believe in anything being preserved!
1:27:37 I finally understand Islamic logic. When David Wood says the dawah dudes just say a bunch of words and then say, "You're finished, boy," it's literally that simple. There isn't any underlying logical framework. Nothing said needs to be internally consistent, externally consistent, or relevant. You just say words. The years I have spent trying to understand the gnostic pagan moon worship and Arian and pharisaical roots of Islam are entirely irrelevant. We hear perfect preservation down to the letter and see the thousands of variants and think that they disprove it. But, if someone were to say, "No, no, no. There are 40 different readings. Any one of those readings is good enough. They are all correct." Then you point out that they have irreconcilable differences, and they say, "No. Arabic is a beautiful language where words don't have meaning. You can say any words, and it always means what I say it means." Then, they have refuted you. There is no depth or complexity. There is no rationality. It's literally just low-IQ hedonism. It isn't 4D chess, it's the game the 6 year old across the street plays where he makes up the rules as he goes along so that he always wins. I feel like I've gotten dumber just by understanding it.
Correct, but you don't see any of these mental gymnastics in countries like Pakistan or Afghanistan. If you were to try and ask intelligent questions they would just pick up some large rocks and prove you wrong, permanently. That is how rational discourse operates in cult majority countries.
Wow! I enjoyed reading your post and the thoughts expressed therein validated mine too.There's a culture of storytelling and embellishing and to put it in simplistic terms, after years of studying Islam and growing up in the MiddleEast I've seen that it has a grain of truth but encased by layers and layers of exaggerations, embellishments just like the nacre surrounding the grain of sand or irritant in an oyster that becomes a luminous pearl..lol .Well the Quran never encourages logic as it's always Naql( Revelation) over Aql ( Reasoning) and to conclude there are Holes in the narrative yet perfectly preserved like the holes on a slice of my favourite Emmentel cheese...lol
@@jawebeserk2054Of course he did! The guy is ssying 6 of the Aruf have been abrogated by Mohammed, where is the source for this? The majority of your scholars state that the Aruf are still present within the 10 quirat. His explanation about the contradiction reading of the story of Lot's wife doenst hold, its Allah telling mohammed past events! Its either she satyed or she went with them and looked back. Even the one with mohammed, its either he warned them or he didnt. I its like me telling one person " I went to work today" and then tell someone else "I didn't go to work today" they are contradictory statements So did Allah warn mohammed or he didnt what was it? Further more, as far as I know Mohammed never left 10 quirat, but 7 Aruf could you show me the source for the 10 quirat?
Nice job Chris. And It's a great example of how to debate politely, and still be effective and engaging even with the other side, which I hope a lot of the others will follow. Fadel also comes across as really sincere and well-meaning, so we ask Jesus' blessings upon him.
@@ayaali4026 Words of scholar Marijn van putten showing the variants between the Birmingham manuscript and the current qurans: In the Birmingham manuscript we find the following: * Q10:45 *naḥšuruhum* which is the reading of all readers except Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim. * Q10:58 *taǧmaʿūna* which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ruways ʿan Yaʿqūb. All others read *yaǧmaʿūna*. * Q18:26 *tušrik* which is a reading unique to Ibn ʿĀmir. The rest has *yušrik*. * Q20:13 *ʾaḫtartuka* which is the majority readnig. Only Ḥamzah has *ʾaḫtarnāka*. * Q21:80 *li-tuḥsinakum* which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim, as opposed to *li-nuḥṣinakum*. * Q21:87 *naqdir* which is the reading of everyone but Yaʿqūb. Yaʿqūb has *yuqdar*. * Q21:104 *naṭwī* which is the reading of everyone by ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar. ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar has *tuṭwā*. * Q22:45 *ʾahlaknāhā* which is the majority reading. ʾAbū ʿAmr and yaʿqūb read *ʾahlaktunā*. * Q22:47 *taʿuddūna* which is the majority reading. Ibn Kaṯīr, Ḥamzah. al-Kisāʾī and Ḫalaf read *yaʿuddūna.* * Q23:21 *nusqīkum* or *nasqīkum*, which is the majority reading. Only ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar reads *tasqīkumū*.
Chris is a real and proper English Christian gentleman, sincere and genuine in his approach, lovely and easy to listen to. On the other hand Fidel is loud and shouty. I'm sorry but after reading the Bible the Quran is like a disjointed horror story with that little clown guy what's his name as main character, he turns up now and again to wreak havoc, it really makes my knees quiver, and I just want to run to the cross and hide behind my beautiful Lord Jesus. 😢✝️🙏
Sura Al Safat 12 translation he mentioned " why I did not translated as I am(GOD)amazed" this is called translating based on his own interpretation which they accuse us to do the same with the Bible. It's double standard here. The Arabic word doesn't have any other meaning except " I am amazed"
Chris did an excellent job. - Any Muslim genuinely seeking truth will see that Soliman was filibusting; his arguments made no sense - Any Muslim not seeking truth wont see it whatever style Chris adopts - Despite Soliman's ramblings, Chris always responded intelligently and with grace - Chris was polite? if Soliman doesnt ask for another dialogue it will be because Soliman knew he was losing. Not because of Chris' attitude - Chris has the better argument...because Islam is false
When talking to an abdul: Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Is hafs quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is warsh quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is doori quran a quran? A. Yes Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Are all qurans around the world same? A. Yes Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants? A. Yes Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter? A. Yes Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"? A. They are different accents Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite? A. 7 Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy? A. 6 Q. How many ahrufs today? A. 7 Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite? A. None Q. How many qiraats today? A. 10, 15, 20, 50 Q. Is Bible preserved? A. No Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible? A. Yes Q. Did muhamad marry a child? A. No Q. How old was aisha? A. 6
@@silverltc2729please learn to ignore the abdul Alonzo Harris and don't give him attention. He is trying to change the topic to the Trinity and Christians like you help him achieve his agenda
@@silverltc2729 Yeah but you should avoid getting trolled yourself. Learn to ignore the abdul and his scripted comments. You just prove to him that you are getting triggered by his comments
pagans also believe their god all knowing and about all but this doesn't mean we worship the same God. this point of commonality is irrelevant what Fadel soliman did.
48:41 brilliant when Soliman says "the prophet did not say in seven" then "he said seven in a different hadith" Chris highlights the word "seven" Soliman "oh i do apologise, I was wrong"...is not what he said!
Thanks for the video.. i really like that and appreciate more how miraculous the Quran is. Instead of writing a whole page the Quran can be recited using another Qiraat, via text just changing a few diacritical mark here and there while still maintaining the same spelling, the readers have a vivid picture of the narrative. Interesting..
For anyone still not understanding the trinity. Ask yourself if when I die do I cease to exist. If the answer is no because your spirit will go to either heaven or the other place than at minimum I am 2 in 1. Than how can you not understand or believe that God can be 3 in 1. It really is simple to understand.
I think what people get fundamentally wrong is that the Trinity isn't meant to be fully understood as we are discussing about God mod of existence. But what can be said with certainty is that the Trinity isn't a contradiction
@@Weebgamer236 I don’t talk to my self or say pray to my father, and god will not be like anyone else that’s why he is god. In the bible it says sons of god, called David son of god, Jesus didn’t say worship, the two extremes you are putting a great prophet above god and on the other hand Jews considered him liar and son of sin, we are in the middle, Jesus he upon him was a great prophet and also Mary peace be upon her was a great lady with a complete chapter praising her in Quran but all were human and human only. 3 = 1 is madness but the ego is striking hard so enjoy the nonsense. P.S = Allah means “The God” in Arabic, “The” means the only one, like we save the king of the country, the driver of the car, the captain of the plane. So Allah is not a Nick name, it is the the only god for Adam, Abraham, David, Moses, Jesus. Get it and leave the hate that Mohamed was Arab and Arab are not a good race and Jesus had blue eyes, he was middle eastern.
@@romeosdmail I don't agree with the brothers analogy but the fact is the Trinity isn't a contradiction as The Trinity affirms God is one essence but three in person that isn't a contradiction as "one in essence" and "3 in person's" are not negations of each other. About your claims of Jesus just being a great prophet is completely Jesus said he had the same glory God had before creation. Jesus calls himself the resurrection the truth and the life Jesus said he give eternal life Jesus says all what belongs to the father belongs to him Jesus is referred to be the word of God who is God Jesus said he had the authority to forgive sins. Jesus said the disciples to ask anything in his name and he will grant you to them. Jesus said he can do everything that God those etc etc Now show me any prophet,man or creature making any such claims like Jesus in the whole Bible ?the answer is it doesn't exist. Christians didn't choose to worship Jesus or have such a complicated view of God for fun but because the Bible forces us to do to so which is why common Islamic rhetoric is abt claiming that the Bible is corrupted .Heck Christians could have claimed that Jesus was a completely separate God from the father as Arians did and the religion will have still being spread and still be fine but our churches fathers put so much emphasis on the Trinity because it was the truth and biblical not because of ego. And I know Allah means God but you Muslims will have to prove that Mohammed was an actual prophet from God the God of Israel and that Allah is the God of Abraham without appealing to some rhetoric like saying the Bible or Torah were corrupted or using dumb argument like perfect preservation. From all the evidence I see either Jesus was a liar as the Jews claim or he was God in flesh there is no in between
Wow a real scholar of the Warsh qiraat. So many will repeat that the Quran has 27 versions without understanding that a mere change in a diacritic mark (like an ñ or ń or ü or ú) does not constitute a whole different vérsión.
Hudhaifa was afraid of their differences in the recitation of the Quran...Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Quran materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. (Hadith, Vol. 6, Book 61, #510). So here we have Uthman saying I'll burn the word of God and I'll decide just what should be in the book
Yes, Uthman was a partner of al-lah, deciding for him what the exact text was and what was left out. The other major issue is who was responsible for compiling the quran into chapters that are not in chronological order (the order 'sent down' by al-lah). Apart from the first sura, the others have been roughly ordered by the length of text. How stupid. Presumably it was Uthman who decided that too, and garbled up the entire book.
Chris dealt with him just fine. You don't have to be rude and arrogant to put someone in their place. Fadel was uncomfortable. He claimed black is white.
Chris, there’s an Arabic book of tafsir where the tafsir literally uses the word contradiction for the differing stories of lot’s wife. I didn’t save the reference
Father Greater than I as mentioned in John 14: 28 came in the context of Jesus talking about going the the Father after accomplishing crucifixion and resurrection. which means he is going the his great glory with the Father which he clearly states in John 17:4-5
@@moorfimyes, that's why he was not in his glory while accomplishing crucifixion and resurrection in this sense. But He is in his full divine nature united with the humanity.
39:26 Abrogation. They always use alcohol as the example. They never use violence: as David Wood tells us - at the beginning of his career he called for peace between Muslims and non-Muslims. At rhe end he calls for violence
So when he is asked was there anything good he read in the Quran he was totally trumped? This speaks volumes. I’ve never read the Bible yet can quote decent and good thing within it
Someone needs to tell Fadel Soliman to stop having an orgasm over variant readings (Qiraat) as variant readings are found in ANY orally transmitted text whether they are religious or non-religious just like silent letters are found in many languages and not just in English. Saying that variant readings (Qiraat) are a unique feature of the Quran is like saying silent letters like the letter "k" in the word "knee" is a unique feature in English - no it's not! Silent letters are found in other languages as are variant readings like in pre-Islamic poetry.
Quran 2:115 is abrogated by Quran 2:144 (this is one example) Both the verses are in the quran. If the previous verse has to be forgotten and it vanishes, then why is it in the quran? Why has it not vanished? How can one forget when it is in the quran and people can read it? And are the abrogated verses completely ignored in their prayers?
As to the word Malik-E or the other version of the word the word may be different in meaning but not contradicting each other in message both are working in synergy to amplify and add color to the original message and intent there is no change the original Remains in tact and accessible perfect preservation
Variant readings (Qiraat) are found in ANY orally transmitted text whether they are religious or non-religious just like silent letters are found in many languages and not just in English. Saying that variant readings (Qiraat) are a unique feature of the Quran is like saying silent letters like the letter "k" in the word "knee" is a unique feature in English - no it's not! Silent letters are found in other languages as are variant readings like in pre-Islamic poetry.
soura younes 16 is clear opposite meanings and saying both are right is illogical and they have the obligation to clearly mention which verse is the preserved one in the tablet.
At 2.03 needs some addition perhaps Chris that though the Son is unchangeably God He accepted the limitations of becoming truly man (eg He learned, though He could at any moment through the excercise of his own Divinity acceess fully all the knowledge of the universe Back to the Muslim "Fig Tree argument". How come in Mark our Lord obviously didn't know there were figs or not? He relied on the Father to tell Him what He needed to know, He has fully taken the place of man
John 5:30 Jesus emphasizes on the united divine will with the Father and not separate will of each. his is affirmed also in in John 16;15 "Everything that the Father has is mine; for this reason I told you that he will take from what is mine and declare it to you."
So many things the muslim said were not checked. Chris looks like he will take the shahada soon. He never interjected to confirm the muslim bogus claim.
St Athanasius of Alexandria has a writing called " the incarnation of the Word" . Clearly refutes Arianism and affirms the Divinity of Jesus Christ. Islam only accepts Arianism because it rejects Christ divine nature and eternal existence. islam also embraces other heresy such as Nestorianism
Also, reflect on your bible: 1 - It’s not memorized from the time of it’s writing or at any time, 2 - The earliest full manuscripts are from the 4th century. Hence no way of ensuring that what you have is indeed what was written. 3 - Later Greek manuscripts and the ones used today have verses that are not present in the earliest manuscripts such as codex sinaiticus and codex Vaticanus, e.g: - Mark 16: 9 - 20 is not in codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus (most ancient and authoritative), these could be later forgeries - John 7:53-8:11 are not in codex Sinaiticus, could be later forgeries 4 - The most ancient complete manuscript Codex Sinaiticus has doctored and sexed up verses, e.g., Matthew 28:19 “…. Baptise in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” is in 4th Century Sinaiticus, but in the 3rd-century writing of Eusebius where this verse is mentioned many times don’t have these trinity bits. Read the Quran, be sincere, and reflect. This is the word of God.
my criticism is that roughly 2:09:36 "that jesus preaches hes not god" but later we hear the apostle peter in the book of acts calling jesus god so my thought would be why dont muslims condemn the apostle peter ive heard nothinng about this, i dont know if this has been already brought up
Soliman keeps saying how Allah took strps to make the Wuran accessible to the people. Then why did he write it in a language that is apparently impossibile to trsnslate. It doesn't make sense. 37:16
he said prophet didnt want them to collect quran.... right :D "Ibn `Abbas said, "When the ailment of the Prophet (ﷺ) became worse, he said, 'Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.' But `Umar said, 'The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah's Book with us and that is sufficient for us.'" Sahih al-Bukhari 114 Book 3, Hadith 56 this proves they already had a book and momo knew about it so STOP lying.
@@reversin8809 Really? I honestly would never have guessed you were one of us 😆😂🤣 I must admit, it isn't clear at first sight which side you were on, especially when you put the Arabic part in parenthesis which is important to them. Anyway, please keep exposing all their lies! 🎉🥳🎊👏👏👏
@@yak596 for what that satanic creep already bestowed enough damage on humanity without one more note. Thankfully, he croaked when he did before he could finish his work.
Hafsah's copy of the Qur'an was burnt by Marrah. Why? Muslims as a rule explain this Hadis (Tradition) as meaning a revision to conform to the language (Quraish) of the original. But we hold that "the difference in the Qur'an reading" does not only refer to this. Why then burn other codices? Others will reason that the burnt scr1pts were really corrupt texts. Who was the judge? They were also in writing! Zaid-ibn-Thabith could just as well have used these in his collection.
Yeah his translation is better than Saheeh International and The Clearly Lying translations, so I was hoping this was going to be more intelligent. At 1:38:00 he wastes time answering a clear contradiction by simply regurgitating the dogma he was taught about denying christianity... it seems they're only muslim because they don't believe christianity. Sad.
From 1:38:59 to 1:39:07 he does make some interesting dinosaur noises tho. I thought I was having flashbacks to the antarctic scenes from walking with dinosaurs hahaha
Warn them or don't warn, they will not believe. It's okay, arrogance towards the words of Allah will be compensated likewise. There's clearly no contradiction, but Chris chooses to be stubborn because he wants to believe a human is God. That's arrogance right there.
Men canonised the Quran according to him! So who chose the 10 quirat over the other multiple recitation that was rejected? Since he acknowledged there were more recitation, mohammed never left 10 recitation, and they weren't told which 10 are acceptable?
This is really a success for Islam ! In other words, Christians admit that today's Quran traces back to Uthman 🙂 🙂 🙂 You don't even realize what you're saying; the Sahaba lied during the first 1-10 years, and then truly preserved the Quran in its complexity for nearly 1,400 years, i.e., incl. the Qiraat...(which makes the preservation even more difficult, this is the irony 🙂) The most important thing, which eruopeans lacks to understand is, that the oral-tradition is much more robust. Who do you think the reputable Publisher of any Quran-Book goes to in order to check whether its correct ??? ALWAYS TO MEMMORIZERS, THEY NEVER CHECK IT AGAINST AN HARDCOPY !! Wake up or keep sleeping, it's your choice... ........................................ *Here's a bit more detailed:* The problem is simply Chris's competence, or rather, the difficulty. It was clear to see how Chris, the pseudo-Islamic scholar, tried to pick out errors but unfortunately without success. Chris talks about one verse there or not there, when all knew its from the Quran 🙂he always makes me laugh, Christians lost their whole book, even from the corrupted bibles they throuw away whole chapters and verses, 🙂its just surreal... Ahruf or Qirat, you can derive thousands of Qirat from the Quran, but they follow certain rules and must be traceable back to Muhammad (peace be upon him), THAT IS THE KEY because he was the teacher of the Sahaba. Chris demands that Muhammad (peace be upon him) reproduces the number of Qirat 🙂 Chris simply lacks knowledge; its like saying, Muhammad as. should have mentioned the amount of Verses revealed 🙂you can choose the combination of readings yourself. This means you have to read the verse (there are over 6,000) in ONE valid Qiraat, but you can reread all the others in another Qiraat; this means you could theoretically come up with tens of thousands of Qiraat. (known in maths as the Cartesian product) But it suffices to combine those that encompass all readings, which is realized with 10 readings (a combination of all possible Qiraat) directly attributed to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Because every Sahabi who learned the Quran and was taught it by a Companion of the Prophet as. (who himself learned it from the Prophet) or directly from Muhammad (peace be upon him). In other words, the oral transmission was personally endorsed by Muhammad (peace be upon him). If now other Sahaba or descendants of the Sahaba mix the various readings (valid) together, then that is still valid. What is always important is that you have an uninterrupted transmission chain back to the Prophet (peace be upon him). Qirat is simply a combination of readings in one! If you really want to understand this, then read Karen Armstrong, or Professor Angelika Neuwirth - you're begging for errors in the Quran, yet you haven't even seen 0.00000001% of Jesus's writings. Why do you desperatly try to find a Muslim without shoes when you dont even have any clothes anymore 😞sad... Look what Prof. Neuwirth even further says, and she is a Non-Muslim expert, not like Chris a Christian-Bias Speakers Corner Out-Of-The-Context-Debater: An interview with Professor Angelika Neuwirth, who is a professor of Qur’anic Studies, argued that the Qur’ān has never been successfully challenged by anyone, past or present: *“…no one has succeeded, this is right… I really think that the Qur’an has even brought Western researchers embarrassment, who weren’t able to clarify how suddenly in an environment where there were not any appreciable written text, appeared the Qur’an with its richness of ideas and its magnificent wordings.”* Listen, let's go the other way around, currently, there is only one Quran incl. Qiraat, now trace them back, when do you find another Quran 🙂 Never 🙂 If there had been other Qurans, they would have spread because Muslims were geographically widespread beyond the reach of Uthman and his call to bring all manuscripts. Do you reallly think he was a magician and got all manuskripts by clapping in his hands... you really believe in Aladin... But now, a different question, which of the Bibles (translated library) is actually the true one 🙂 Eastern Orthodox Bible Coptic Orthodox Bible Ethiopian Orthodox Bible Syriac Orthodox Bible Russian Orthodox Bible Latin Vulgate King James Version (KJV) New International Version (NIV) Revised Standard Version (RSV) New American Bible (NAB) endless-loop.... May Allah s.w. guide your christian friends !
So the Arabic language has a superior claim to oral memorisation,, oratory rhyminng,and recitation over the thousand other languages that have existed throughout the centuries to express their beliefs and religion? This claim is psuedoscientifiic and not backed by anthropologists and linguists. The tenacity of a language has no reflection on its ability to accurately transmit information over centuries through the generations.
This is Chris who gave a laughable excuse why the bible authors did not put the father, son and ghost in the scripture. He said because they want to save ink and paper. What a silly ludicrous excuse..
If you know Arabic and are sincere you will not come to the conclusion that recitational differences of some verses are contradictions. We have 14 centuries worth of scholarship on these verses and claim there aren't contradictions, but you read a few ill-intended translations and debate it's contradiction.
Fidel Castro Solo-man was crying on the deen show because Chris used his own book to school abduls like sneako at Hyde park on the non preservation of the qurans 😂
The guy is demanding respect where he never gives it to his own people in Egypt. In every environment where Muslims exist there is no right given for none Muslims to argue their case against Islam.
18:09 Soliman: God spoke about the hereafter 500 times in the past times. Why did God do that? Because he is the First and Last Or maybe he was a bit rubbish at grammar?
Seeing Chris trying to defend Christianity at the end is so funny! He can’t defend the trinity without trying to compare it to Islam. Lol 😂 Allah doesn’t have parts Chris. Raihan and many other brothers from speakers corner have made all of this clear to you in the park but you still don’t seem to get. It’s funny cos so don’t understand our explanation of Allahs attributes but you manage to understand the trinity. Lol 😂 I think the reason why you reject Islam in your heart is because you don’t want to truly submit to the creator. You prefer to submit to your own intellect. Which is exactly what Allah says the disbelievers will do!!!
I really don´t understand how any person can believe that allah is the all-powerful, all-knowing creator of the universe. In quran 37 verse125, allah complaines that :" “Do you call upon Baal and forsake the Best of Creators?” LOL. What an insecure god. The guy can´t stop whining about how people are not giving him enough attention....he sounds like a jealous wife who gets angry that her man looked at another woman. When i read a verse like this, all i hear is "wahwahwah why are you not paying all your attention to me? wahwahwah stop looking at baal, look at me instead, i am so great, I´m the greatest...wahwahwah if you don´t pay attention to me i will torture you, wahwahwah... ok if you pay attention to me i will give you 72 virgins "....hahahaha such a whiny insecure god. Definitely a god created by men. If you think this allah character created our universe, the joke´s on you!
@@Dawah-Quest quran 39:67 "hey have not shown Allah His proper reverence-when on the Day of Judgment the ˹whole˺ earth will be in His Grip, and the heavens will be rolled up *in His Right Hand.* Glorified and Exalted is He above what they associate ˹with Him˺!"
@@markorbit4752 when Allah swt mentions hands we do not recognise them like they are similar to our human hands in any shape or form. We affirm the text but we don’t associate the attributes to be similar to the creation in any way! The same way Allah swt says he is all seeing we don’t assume he has eyes like his creation! The creator is not like the creation period!!!
❤ showing Arabic translation version of Bible with name of al-lah instead of Elohim, Yahweh, Jehovah, Hashem, El Elohim,etc doesn't prove that al-lah is the true god and doesn't prove the God of Bible is the same god of Islam at all! The Arabic bible is just a weak mistranslation of the True Bible under the authority and Khalifat of Islam! I can change the name of Elohim and put Buddha there?! And prove Bible is from Buddha then!! How stupid!
Chris lacks humility and sincerity! He doesn’t speak the Arabic language yet when he is given clear explanations from a linguistic professor he still has the nerve to say his understanding is superior! 😂 I would love to see Chris have a discussion with Bart Herman and try and wiggle his way through the Bible.
Chris , this guy has rubbish answers to your questions , his degrees mean nothing... Firstly , he started by greeting You with Assalamualakum , when the Qur'an clearly mentions , Salamun Alaykum , the manner he greeted related to Eesa ibn Maryam , in Surah Maryam ( Chapter 19 ) Hadith is a science , a Pseudo Science.. Not a God given book , / books... Written by puppets of the ruling regime at the time... 200 + years after Moe passed on.. Hear say , that's why they talk so much crap , all hear say... My name is Ismail Omer So I have studied and learnt everything available to me on both my names ... Arab are beduin nomads , before oil , they were under the Ottaman Empire ... Qur'an uses a it's own Lexicon ... It's syntax is different in its own style The Author seems to focus on Human Conciousness and to realise there is a Devinely Nature within us , Men & Women.. The most read / recited book in the world , yet the least understood ...
Older quran manuscripts that don't match the modern versions, erasures, added words, covered words, palimpsests. No ancient quran manuscript match any of the 36+ qurans.
Rubbish. We have the original manuscript. It's in a place called Birmingham. We have 100% of the Qur'an from the 1st century. You have ZERO. Burn in your envy pagan.
Be careful of who you quote, the same man you want to use to prove your argument, destroy your Quran also. So, you can only show you are hypocrite when you pick and choose what you accept from his statement.
@@j2shoes288100% of something that not one single follower of your prophet can produce? Where is this 100% Quran? We know you do not, you are a liar. If you did, your scholars would be singing like canaries about having it, but they’re silent. The two folios in Birmingham are just copies of previously known stories, so they prove nothing but that your prophet plagiarized.
THE FIRST AND THE LAST Surah 57:3 of the Qur’an refers to Allah as “the First and the Last, the Most High and the Most Near.” The Old Testament agrees that God is the “First and the Last,” as we read in the Book of the prophet Isaiah: Isaiah 44:6-Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me.” When “LORD” is written in all capitals in the Old Testament, the term refers to Yahweh, the creator of the universe. Since both the Bible and the Qur’an give the title “the First and the Last” to God, it should be quite shocking for Muslims to open the New Testament and read Revelation 1:17-18, where Jesus says: “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.” Would a mere prophet claim to be the “First and the Last”?
2:14:43 - JESUS PRAYED LIKE MUSLIMS? No, Muslims pray in one of the ways that Jesus did, except that He also prayed to His Father, which "Allah" categorically denies is impossible in ANY manner. Thus, Jesus was NEVER a Muslim; they need Him, but He completely rejects them and their ilk. Repent, Muslims, from your own righteousness and have faith toward Jesus, be baptized into Him, accept that He will take your sins upon Himself, and that you will then be resurrected unto eternal life and justified (Heb 6:1-2). The end. 🙏👳♂️👍
All i heard from Fadel is lots and lots and lots and lots of BS in defence of 'perfect preservation'. I came here expecting that perhaps, for once, i will hear someone from the Islamic faith making some good sense and plausible defence on perfect preservation
10:50 - so allah did not give the responsibility to any human to preserve the quran. What about the revelations before it? The Torah and the Injeel. allah couldn’t preserve those?
The responsibility was given to the rabbi for torah however Allah in his knowledge knows the old scriptures were change and was a test to the rabbi. Quran claims that Allah preserve his Word for Quran.🙂
@@inquisitivemind007 Allah' s will according to his wisdom and knowledge. It would not had been a test for the Jews if Allah intervene. Allah knows what is in the heart of his creations and those who disbelieve were the choice made from the people during that time. Prophet Muhammad is the last messenger/ prophet of Allah and completed his mission for the last revelation/ book from God. Hence the message/book, Allah's will to preserve it until end of times.
@@astrike3355-jd9pm allah is a fool then. muhammad a bigger fool. I will tell you why. *Surah 5:68* - Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O People of the Book! You have nothing to stand on unless you observe the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord.” And your Lord’s revelation to you ˹O Prophet˺ will only cause many of them to increase in wickedness and disbelief. So do not grieve for the people who disbelieve. And when the Torah was brought to him, he withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: “I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee.”
muhammad pbuh spoke arabic to his followers n mashaf uthmani is the perfect one along other ways of speaking the. verse. while chris is struggling with the translations of them thinking the quran was in english to accuse quran is imperfectly preserved...lol. chris need consult with arabic speaking christians.😊
@@CipherXM as Allah said in the quran...he preserves the Quran even including all the styles of reciting His verses without any contradicting message/meaning found among them. off course a little difficult for non native like chris to comprehend the concept of perfect preservation. certainly quran is orally transmitted fundamentally n text is designed to match them.
@@jawebeserk2054 what are you talking about?! Any honest person reading these variants will know they can truly contradict and change the meaning of the passages. Chris doesn’t speak Arabic but he has a translation from a Muslim who presented clear contradictions and discrepancies between the readings. To still assert the Quran is still preserved is a severe case of cognitive dissonance 🫠
@@jawebeserk2054 Allah himself knew the Quran is not preserved, it is only you modern Muslims that are parroting this new lies. Whether, a piece is lose from and acclaimed Qiraats means it not preserved, only a disingenuous person will says otherwise.
@@CipherXM im talking what mr solimen already made clear to the confusing chris. nothing contradicts in message/meaning verse of those reading variants for the native people. each and every example chris n solimen himself presented. reading variants is reading slight discrepancies but not contradicting in the meaning/messages to the native speakers. cognitive dissonance occurs to people like chris is understandable. different muslim translations of uthmani text has slight differences yes but muslim has no prob. in comparison to preservation problem of the bible and the contradictions in them, even the biblical scholar admit they are prevalently obvious.
Yeah the more you try to understand Koran and Arabic you get dumber… I wonder why Allah chose to reveal his uncreated things in the language that is so simply diluted…..😂
Speaking with all due respect, when one listens to the official narrative of perfect preservation without prejudice, one cannot help but think of a house of cards.
I thought Alaa Deen was commenting at first
To understand preservation, we have to first understand revelation. Once you understand revelation, and the 7 letters, you automatically understand preservation correctly.
@@amiros_2001 meaningless waffle.
We understand revelation. Mohammad got some stuff from Shayran and some from his iwn head...badly remembered Christian, Paganand gnostic stories.
It's as plain as the nose on your face
That’s only because you are so used to everything around you being built on flimsy evidence. Your skeptic mind has been shaped around all the lies that surround you existence that you cant possibly believe in anything being preserved!
it is falling
Brother Chris, I am glad that your armor of God shines through his maneuvering. God bless brother! 🙌
1:27:37 I finally understand Islamic logic. When David Wood says the dawah dudes just say a bunch of words and then say, "You're finished, boy," it's literally that simple. There isn't any underlying logical framework. Nothing said needs to be internally consistent, externally consistent, or relevant. You just say words. The years I have spent trying to understand the gnostic pagan moon worship and Arian and pharisaical roots of Islam are entirely irrelevant.
We hear perfect preservation down to the letter and see the thousands of variants and think that they disprove it. But, if someone were to say, "No, no, no. There are 40 different readings. Any one of those readings is good enough. They are all correct." Then you point out that they have irreconcilable differences, and they say, "No. Arabic is a beautiful language where words don't have meaning. You can say any words, and it always means what I say it means." Then, they have refuted you.
There is no depth or complexity. There is no rationality. It's literally just low-IQ hedonism. It isn't 4D chess, it's the game the 6 year old across the street plays where he makes up the rules as he goes along so that he always wins. I feel like I've gotten dumber just by understanding it.
Correct, but you don't see any of these mental gymnastics in countries like Pakistan or Afghanistan. If you were to try and ask intelligent questions they would just pick up some large rocks and prove you wrong, permanently. That is how rational discourse operates in cult majority countries.
Wow! I enjoyed reading your post and the thoughts expressed therein validated mine too.There's a culture of storytelling and embellishing and to put it in simplistic terms, after years of studying Islam and growing up in the MiddleEast I've seen that it has a grain of truth but encased by layers and layers of exaggerations, embellishments just like the nacre surrounding the grain of sand or irritant in an oyster that becomes a luminous pearl..lol .Well the Quran never encourages logic as it's always Naql( Revelation) over Aql ( Reasoning) and to conclude there are Holes in the narrative yet perfectly preserved like the holes on a slice of my favourite Emmentel cheese...lol
Thanks for summarizing this 2 hour video in a comment!
This is one of the best comment. Basically summarizes the mentality of all muslims and islam all in this comment.
When the TRUTH is replaced by SILENCE, the SILENCE is a LIE.
Chris won period 👍God bless you bro and your ministry 🙏
chris thought he won...
@@jawebeserk2054Of course he did! The guy is ssying 6 of the Aruf have been abrogated by Mohammed, where is the source for this?
The majority of your scholars state that the Aruf are still present within the 10 quirat.
His explanation about the contradiction reading of the story of Lot's wife doenst hold, its Allah telling mohammed past events! Its either she satyed or she went with them and looked back.
Even the one with mohammed, its either he warned them or he didnt. I its like me telling one person " I went to work today" and then tell someone else "I didn't go to work today" they are contradictory statements
So did Allah warn mohammed or he didnt what was it?
Further more, as far as I know Mohammed never left 10 quirat, but 7 Aruf could you show me the source for the 10 quirat?
@@jawebeserk2054 after this soliman is gonna rewrite his book
...but he won not, nor debated him, but so it was made to appear to him @@jawebeserk2054
Chris schooled Fadel!
Chris the Smooth Operator..lol good job man....this abdool is like all the others..
Nice job Chris. And It's a great example of how to debate politely, and still be effective and engaging even with the other side, which I hope a lot of the others will follow. Fadel also comes across as really sincere and well-meaning, so we ask Jesus' blessings upon him.
one quran says "you", another says "I".
Dawah script: "they are different accents" 🤣🤣🤣
User name 😃
lol love the name
بل يؤثرون
بل تؤثرون
Wow such a huge difference 🙄
both were recited so what's your point?
@ayaali4026 are you deliberately stupid? In what way are "you" and "I" different accents?
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Words of scholar Marijn van putten showing the variants between the Birmingham manuscript and the current qurans:
In the Birmingham manuscript we find the following:
* Q10:45 *naḥšuruhum* which is the reading of all readers except Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim.
* Q10:58 *taǧmaʿūna* which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ruways ʿan Yaʿqūb. All others read *yaǧmaʿūna*.
* Q18:26 *tušrik* which is a reading unique to Ibn ʿĀmir. The rest has *yušrik*.
* Q20:13 *ʾaḫtartuka* which is the majority readnig. Only Ḥamzah has *ʾaḫtarnāka*.
* Q21:80 *li-tuḥsinakum* which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim, as opposed to *li-nuḥṣinakum*.
* Q21:87 *naqdir* which is the reading of everyone but Yaʿqūb. Yaʿqūb has *yuqdar*.
* Q21:104 *naṭwī* which is the reading of everyone by ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar. ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar has *tuṭwā*.
* Q22:45 *ʾahlaknāhā* which is the majority reading. ʾAbū ʿAmr and yaʿqūb read *ʾahlaktunā*.
* Q22:47 *taʿuddūna* which is the majority reading. Ibn Kaṯīr, Ḥamzah. al-Kisāʾī and Ḫalaf read *yaʿuddūna.*
* Q23:21 *nusqīkum* or *nasqīkum*, which is the majority reading. Only ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar reads *tasqīkumū*.
Chris is a real and proper English Christian gentleman, sincere and genuine in his approach, lovely and easy to listen to.
On the other hand Fidel is loud and shouty.
I'm sorry but after reading the Bible the Quran is like a disjointed horror story with that little clown guy what's his name as main character, he turns up now and again to wreak havoc, it really makes my knees quiver, and I just want to run to the cross and hide behind my beautiful Lord Jesus. 😢✝️🙏
Okay, that may have started slow, but that ending was wild!
Sura Al Safat 12 translation he mentioned " why I did not translated as I am(GOD)amazed" this is called translating based on his own interpretation which they accuse us to do the same with the Bible. It's double standard here. The Arabic word doesn't have any other meaning except " I am amazed"
They are permitted to lie to non-believers because we are enemies of islam (and so the rules of war apply). Without lies, islame dies.
Chris did an excellent job.
- Any Muslim genuinely seeking truth will see that Soliman was filibusting; his arguments made no sense
- Any Muslim not seeking truth wont see it whatever style Chris adopts
- Despite Soliman's ramblings, Chris always responded intelligently and with grace
- Chris was polite? if Soliman doesnt ask for another dialogue it will be because Soliman knew he was losing. Not because of Chris' attitude
- Chris has the better argument...because Islam is false
💯 % agree
mohamadeans don't need logic nor truth, only seeking worldly pleasures
@@inquisitivemind007 he did not. He let hom go with clear proof of contracdictions. He needs to be aggressive when he lies.
When talking to an abdul:
Q. How many qurans?
A. One quran
Q. Is hafs quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. Is warsh quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. Is doori quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. How many qurans?
A. One quran
Q. Are all qurans around the world same?
A. Yes
Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants?
A. Yes
Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter?
A. Yes
Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"?
A. They are different accents
Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite?
A. 7
Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy?
A. 6
Q. How many ahrufs today?
A. 7
Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite?
A. None
Q. How many qiraats today?
A. 10, 15, 20, 50
Q. Is Bible preserved?
A. No
Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible?
A. Yes
Q. Did muhamad marry a child?
A. No
Q. How old was aisha?
A. 6
That is brutal 😂🤣😂
I hope Alonzo sees it.
@@silverltc2729please learn to ignore the abdul Alonzo Harris and don't give him attention. He is trying to change the topic to the Trinity and Christians like you help him achieve his agenda
@@jxcess3891 Did you read this person's reply? It is very smart. Trolling the Troll. Puts a smile on my face.
@@silverltc2729
Yeah but you should avoid getting trolled yourself. Learn to ignore the abdul and his scripted comments. You just prove to him that you are getting triggered by his comments
Lol. Yes
pagans also believe their god all knowing and about all but this doesn't mean we worship the same God. this point of commonality is irrelevant what Fadel soliman did.
48:41 brilliant when Soliman says "the prophet did not say in seven" then "he said seven in a different hadith"
Chris highlights the word "seven"
Soliman "oh i do apologise, I was wrong"...is not what he said!
Just shows you what a charlatan Fadel is!
@inquisitivemind007 the best bit was when he said that saying something IS the case is the same as saying it is NOT the case
Anybody can make a mistake…. Doesn’t mean their whole premise falls. lol
Alhamdulilah islam is the truth.
Did you play attention Solomon lost, clearly
Thanks for the video.. i really like that and appreciate more how miraculous the Quran is. Instead of writing a whole page the Quran can be recited using another Qiraat, via text just changing a few diacritical mark here and there while still maintaining the same spelling, the readers have a vivid picture of the narrative. Interesting..
word for word perfect 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. The coping is hard bruh!!!!!!!!!
For anyone still not understanding the trinity. Ask yourself if when I die do I cease to exist. If the answer is no because your spirit will go to either heaven or the other place than at minimum I am 2 in 1. Than how can you not understand or believe that God can be 3 in 1. It really is simple to understand.
I think what people get fundamentally wrong is that the Trinity isn't meant to be fully understood as we are discussing about God mod of existence.
But what can be said with certainty is that the Trinity isn't a contradiction
Rubbish
@@romeosdmail what's the rubbish
@@Weebgamer236 I don’t talk to my self or say pray to my father, and god will not be like anyone else that’s why he is god. In the bible it says sons of god, called David son of god, Jesus didn’t say worship, the two extremes you are putting a great prophet above god and on the other hand Jews considered him liar and son of sin, we are in the middle, Jesus he upon him was a great prophet and also Mary peace be upon her was a great lady with a complete chapter praising her in Quran but all were human and human only.
3 = 1 is madness but the ego is striking hard so enjoy the nonsense.
P.S = Allah means “The God” in Arabic, “The” means the only one, like we save the king of the country, the driver of the car, the captain of the plane. So Allah is not a Nick name, it is the the only god for Adam, Abraham, David, Moses, Jesus. Get it and leave the hate that Mohamed was Arab and Arab are not a good race and Jesus had blue eyes, he was middle eastern.
@@romeosdmail I don't agree with the brothers analogy but the fact is the Trinity isn't a contradiction as The Trinity affirms God is one essence but three in person that isn't a contradiction as "one in essence" and "3 in person's" are not negations of each other.
About your claims of Jesus just being a great prophet is completely
Jesus said he had the same glory God had before creation.
Jesus calls himself the resurrection the truth and the life
Jesus said he give eternal life
Jesus says all what belongs to the father belongs to him
Jesus is referred to be the word of God who is God
Jesus said he had the authority to forgive sins.
Jesus said the disciples to ask anything in his name and he will grant you to them.
Jesus said he can do everything that God those etc etc Now show me any prophet,man or creature making any such claims like Jesus in the whole Bible ?the answer is it doesn't exist.
Christians didn't choose to worship Jesus or have such a complicated view of God for fun but because the Bible forces us to do to so which is why common Islamic rhetoric is abt claiming that the Bible is corrupted .Heck Christians could have claimed that Jesus was a completely separate God from the father as Arians did and the religion will have still being spread and still be fine but our churches fathers put so much emphasis on the Trinity because it was the truth and biblical not because of ego.
And I know Allah means God but you Muslims will have to prove that Mohammed was an actual prophet from God the God of Israel and that Allah is the God of Abraham without appealing to some rhetoric like saying the Bible or Torah were corrupted or using dumb argument like perfect preservation.
From all the evidence I see either Jesus was a liar as the Jews claim or he was God in flesh there is no in between
When Muslims talk about sincerity it’s funny, you simply have to wait to see them do the opposite. Throw words around
I'm so sad that Soliman's translation got taken down from online databases, it was the best one 😢
do you know why ??
I wish I knew why
Wow a real scholar of the Warsh qiraat. So many will repeat that the Quran has 27 versions without understanding that a mere change in a diacritic mark (like an ñ or ń or ü or ú) does not constitute a whole different vérsión.
A change in diacritics impacts the grammar. Plus, those aren’t the only type of changes.
yes it does. You buy his crap. Low IQ logic
Hudhaifa was afraid of their differences in the recitation of the Quran...Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Quran materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. (Hadith, Vol. 6, Book 61, #510). So here we have Uthman saying I'll burn the word of God and I'll decide just what should be in the book
Yes, Uthman was a partner of al-lah, deciding for him what the exact text was and what was left out. The other major issue is who was responsible for compiling the quran into chapters that are not in chronological order (the order 'sent down' by al-lah). Apart from the first sura, the others have been roughly ordered by the length of text. How stupid. Presumably it was Uthman who decided that too, and garbled up the entire book.
Yup!!!! pretty much
why is fidel Castro Solo-man jumping out of his seat every few seconds?
Too much coffee. It makes sense given he keeps yelling too
@@joshbeaulieu7408 Chris gave him the jitters
This guy doesn't get the concept of contradiction and difference
Only Shamounian like polemists can deal with this kind of character.
Chris dealt with him just fine. You don't have to be rude and arrogant to put someone in their place. Fadel was uncomfortable. He claimed black is white.
@ProfYaffle Chris did an excellent job and gave Fadel a schooling of a lifetime!
@inquisitivemind007 yup. Chris gave Fadel plenty of opportunity to expose himself. Fadel would not even gave talked to Shamoun
Chris, there’s an Arabic book of tafsir where the tafsir literally uses the word contradiction for the differing stories of lot’s wife.
I didn’t save the reference
This is what matters to AIIāh: Babbling about nonsense!
...while staying on topic
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@@MojoDudeX Indeed. The topic is babbling about nonsense.
Shut up woman. Paul your founder, said women are not allowed to talk in public. Also in the book of revelations, women won't even be in paradise.
Chris send Fadel an invitation to speak with Christian Prince and you will be the moderator.
Apologies, you covered this in the next minute!
Father Greater than I as mentioned in John 14: 28 came in the context of Jesus talking about going the the Father after accomplishing crucifixion and resurrection. which means he is going the his great glory with the Father which he clearly states in John 17:4-5
Also Jesus emptied himself and become a servant when he came down from heaven. To show us how to serve and to save us from our sin.
@@moorfimyes, that's why he was not in his glory while accomplishing crucifixion and resurrection in this sense. But He is in his full divine nature united with the humanity.
39:26 Abrogation. They always use alcohol as the example.
They never use violence: as David Wood tells us - at the beginning of his career he called for peace between Muslims and non-Muslims. At rhe end he calls for violence
So when he is asked was there anything good he read in the Quran he was totally trumped? This speaks volumes. I’ve never read the Bible yet can quote decent and good thing within it
He’s such a “wooooo waaaaaaaw” guy, these types are not to be talked to
At 2:14.00. About, this must be one of the ghastly "Muslim-friendly" Arabic translations. "Fell on His face"
Someone needs to tell Fadel Soliman to stop having an orgasm over variant readings (Qiraat) as variant readings are found in ANY orally transmitted text whether they are religious or non-religious just like silent letters are found in many languages and not just in English. Saying that variant readings (Qiraat) are a unique feature of the Quran is like saying silent letters like the letter "k" in the word "knee" is a unique feature in English - no it's not! Silent letters are found in other languages as are variant readings like in pre-Islamic poetry.
And yet he thinks our Scriptures are corrupted
the "Qeraat" explanation he mentioned about killing Moses verse is just sugar coating to cover the different meanings. 🤣
HE SAY EXCITEDLY , THE REVELATION OF QURAN IS MIND BLOWING.
WHATS MIND BLOWING ARE THE ABSOLUTE NONSENSE THIS GUY ID COMING UP WITH.
Quran 2:115 is abrogated by Quran 2:144 (this is one example)
Both the verses are in the quran.
If the previous verse has to be forgotten and it vanishes, then why is it in the quran? Why has it not vanished? How can one forget when it is in the quran and people can read it?
And are the abrogated verses completely ignored in their prayers?
As to the word Malik-E or the other version of the word the word may be different in meaning but not contradicting each other in message both are working in synergy to amplify and add color to the original message and intent there is no change the original
Remains in tact and accessible perfect preservation
Variant readings (Qiraat) are found in ANY orally transmitted text whether they are religious or non-religious just like silent letters are found in many languages and not just in English. Saying that variant readings (Qiraat) are a unique feature of the Quran is like saying silent letters like the letter "k" in the word "knee" is a unique feature in English - no it's not! Silent letters are found in other languages as are variant readings like in pre-Islamic poetry.
Too bad muslims are so hypocritical and cannot apply the same standard to different translations of the Bible.
@@inquisitivemind007 Sure but there has never been a case where slight wording or marking differences can add so much color to the message.
-31:32. To. -30:46.
If the written Quran was perfect, why then the burning of Qurans?
soura younes 16 is clear opposite meanings and saying both are right is illogical and they have the obligation to clearly mention which verse is the preserved one in the tablet.
At 2.03 needs some addition perhaps Chris that though the Son is unchangeably God He accepted the limitations of becoming truly man (eg He learned, though He could at any moment through the excercise of his own Divinity acceess fully all the knowledge of the universe
Back to the Muslim "Fig Tree argument". How come in Mark our Lord obviously didn't know there were figs or not? He relied on the Father to tell Him what He needed to know, He has fully taken the place of man
May Allah swt guide Chris! If he is genuine sincere then Allah swt will guide him.
Chris is protected by Christ from your satan aka allah
Salla ala al-nabi!
John 5:30 Jesus emphasizes on the united divine will with the Father and not separate will of each. his is affirmed also in in John 16;15 "Everything that the Father has is mine; for this reason I told you that he will take from what is mine and declare it to you."
So many things the muslim said were not checked. Chris looks like he will take the shahada soon. He never interjected to confirm the muslim bogus claim.
St Athanasius of Alexandria has a writing called " the incarnation of the Word" . Clearly refutes Arianism and affirms the Divinity of Jesus Christ. Islam only accepts Arianism because it rejects Christ divine nature and eternal existence. islam also embraces other heresy such as Nestorianism
Still listening, but clearly Fadel needs some explanation of in-Spiration rather than simple 'dictation'
Also, reflect on your bible:
1 - It’s not memorized from the time of it’s writing or at any time,
2 - The earliest full manuscripts are from the 4th century. Hence no way of ensuring that what you have is indeed what was written.
3 - Later Greek manuscripts and the ones used today have verses that are not present in the earliest manuscripts such as codex sinaiticus and codex Vaticanus, e.g:
- Mark 16: 9 - 20 is not in codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus (most ancient and authoritative), these could be later forgeries
- John 7:53-8:11 are not in codex Sinaiticus, could be later forgeries
4 - The most ancient complete manuscript Codex Sinaiticus has doctored and sexed up verses, e.g., Matthew 28:19 “…. Baptise in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” is in 4th Century Sinaiticus, but in the 3rd-century writing of Eusebius where this verse is mentioned many times don’t have these trinity bits.
Read the Quran, be sincere, and reflect. This is the word of God.
Does this Abdool know that his Allah prayed? Obviously not. I know, I know, Abdools change the word prayer to blessings. Without lies Islam is dead.
my criticism is that roughly 2:09:36 "that jesus preaches hes not god" but later we hear the apostle peter in the book of acts calling jesus god so my thought would be why dont muslims condemn the apostle peter ive heard nothinng about this, i dont know if this has been already brought up
Soliman keeps saying how Allah took strps to make the Wuran accessible to the people.
Then why did he write it in a language that is apparently impossibile to trsnslate.
It doesn't make sense.
37:16
43:01 Did anyone understand the difference between the Aruf and Quiraat?
Yes
Chris, you need more mods.
This guy did the muslim shuffle.
he said prophet didnt want them to collect quran.... right :D
"Ibn `Abbas said, "When the ailment of the Prophet (ﷺ) became worse, he said, 'Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.' But `Umar said, 'The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah's Book with us and that is sufficient for us.'" Sahih al-Bukhari 114 Book 3, Hadith 56
this proves they already had a book and momo knew about it so STOP lying.
You guys make things up as you go and nothing you say can be trusted so we don't care 💅😘😂
Wow so he never listened and got the paper? That could of been well needed knowledge?
@@GloryToTheHolyTrinity i think you are confused brother xD that was for muslims and its their own sources not me.
@@reversin8809 Really? I honestly would never have guessed you were one of us 😆😂🤣 I must admit, it isn't clear at first sight which side you were on, especially when you put the Arabic part in parenthesis which is important to them. Anyway, please keep exposing all their lies! 🎉🥳🎊👏👏👏
@@yak596 for what that satanic creep already bestowed enough damage on humanity without one more note. Thankfully, he croaked when he did before he could finish his work.
Hafsah's copy of the Qur'an was burnt by Marrah. Why? Muslims as a rule explain this Hadis (Tradition) as meaning a revision to conform to the language (Quraish) of the original. But we hold that "the difference in the Qur'an reading" does not only refer to this. Why then burn other codices? Others will reason that the burnt scr1pts were really corrupt texts. Who was the judge? They were also in writing! Zaid-ibn-Thabith could just as well have used these in his collection.
Ugh, I thought this would be interesting but Fadel makes it intolerable with his rhetorical jig.
The adbools all do the same tap dancing. Without lies, islame dies.
Yeah his translation is better than Saheeh International and The Clearly Lying translations, so I was hoping this was going to be more intelligent. At 1:38:00 he wastes time answering a clear contradiction by simply regurgitating the dogma he was taught about denying christianity... it seems they're only muslim because they don't believe christianity. Sad.
From 1:38:59 to 1:39:07 he does make some interesting dinosaur noises tho. I thought I was having flashbacks to the antarctic scenes from walking with dinosaurs hahaha
Warn them or don't warn, they will not believe. It's okay, arrogance towards the words of Allah will be compensated likewise. There's clearly no contradiction, but Chris chooses to be stubborn because he wants to believe a human is God. That's arrogance right there.
So where’s the water ?
Men canonised the Quran according to him!
So who chose the 10 quirat over the other multiple recitation that was rejected? Since he acknowledged there were more recitation, mohammed never left 10 recitation, and they weren't told which 10 are acceptable?
This is really a success for Islam !
In other words, Christians admit that today's Quran traces back to Uthman 🙂 🙂 🙂 You don't even realize what you're saying; the Sahaba lied during the first 1-10 years, and then truly preserved the Quran in its complexity for nearly 1,400 years, i.e., incl. the Qiraat...(which makes the preservation even more difficult, this is the irony 🙂)
The most important thing, which eruopeans lacks to understand is, that the oral-tradition is much more robust. Who do you think the reputable Publisher of any Quran-Book goes to in order to check whether its correct ??? ALWAYS TO MEMMORIZERS, THEY NEVER CHECK IT AGAINST AN HARDCOPY !!
Wake up or keep sleeping, it's your choice...
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*Here's a bit more detailed:*
The problem is simply Chris's competence, or rather, the difficulty. It was clear to see how Chris, the pseudo-Islamic scholar, tried to pick out errors but unfortunately without success. Chris talks about one verse there or not there, when all knew its from the Quran 🙂he always makes me laugh, Christians lost their whole book, even from the corrupted bibles they throuw away whole chapters and verses, 🙂its just surreal...
Ahruf or Qirat, you can derive thousands of Qirat from the Quran, but they follow certain rules and must be traceable back to Muhammad (peace be upon him), THAT IS THE KEY because he was the teacher of the Sahaba. Chris demands that Muhammad (peace be upon him) reproduces the number of Qirat 🙂 Chris simply lacks knowledge; its like saying, Muhammad as. should have mentioned the amount of Verses revealed 🙂you can choose the combination of readings yourself. This means you have to read the verse (there are over 6,000) in ONE valid Qiraat, but you can reread all the others in another Qiraat; this means you could theoretically come up with tens of thousands of Qiraat. (known in maths as the Cartesian product) But it suffices to combine those that encompass all readings, which is realized with 10 readings (a combination of all possible Qiraat) directly attributed to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Because every Sahabi who learned the Quran and was taught it by a Companion of the Prophet as. (who himself learned it from the Prophet) or directly from Muhammad (peace be upon him). In other words, the oral transmission was personally endorsed by Muhammad (peace be upon him). If now other Sahaba or descendants of the Sahaba mix the various readings (valid) together, then that is still valid. What is always important is that you have an uninterrupted transmission chain back to the Prophet (peace be upon him).
Qirat is simply a combination of readings in one! If you really want to understand this, then read Karen Armstrong, or Professor Angelika Neuwirth - you're begging for errors in the Quran, yet you haven't even seen 0.00000001% of Jesus's writings. Why do you desperatly try to find a Muslim without shoes when you dont even have any clothes anymore 😞sad...
Look what Prof. Neuwirth even further says, and she is a Non-Muslim expert, not like Chris a Christian-Bias Speakers Corner Out-Of-The-Context-Debater:
An interview with Professor Angelika Neuwirth, who is a professor of Qur’anic Studies, argued that the Qur’ān has never been successfully challenged by anyone, past or present: *“…no one has succeeded, this is right… I really think that the Qur’an has even brought Western researchers embarrassment, who weren’t able to clarify how suddenly in an environment where there were not any appreciable written text, appeared the Qur’an with its richness of ideas and its magnificent wordings.”*
Listen, let's go the other way around, currently, there is only one Quran incl. Qiraat, now trace them back, when do you find another Quran 🙂 Never 🙂
If there had been other Qurans, they would have spread because Muslims were geographically widespread beyond the reach of Uthman and his call to bring all manuscripts. Do you reallly think he was a magician and got all manuskripts by clapping in his hands... you really believe in Aladin...
But now, a different question, which of the Bibles (translated library) is actually the true one 🙂
Eastern Orthodox Bible
Coptic Orthodox Bible
Ethiopian Orthodox Bible
Syriac Orthodox Bible
Russian Orthodox Bible
Latin Vulgate
King James Version (KJV)
New International Version (NIV)
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
New American Bible (NAB)
endless-loop....
May Allah s.w. guide your christian friends !
You're a 🤡 go study more
😂 what??
So the Arabic language has a superior claim to oral memorisation,, oratory rhyminng,and recitation over the thousand other languages that have existed throughout the centuries to express their beliefs and religion? This claim is psuedoscientifiic and not backed by anthropologists and linguists. The tenacity of a language has no reflection on its ability to accurately transmit information over centuries through the generations.
Youre a clown
@@thedude9024 my man went on a rant thinking he was onto something 🫠
This is Chris who gave a laughable excuse why the bible authors did not put the father, son and ghost in the scripture. He said because they want to save ink and paper. What a silly ludicrous excuse..
If you know Arabic and are sincere you will not come to the conclusion that recitational differences of some verses are contradictions. We have 14 centuries worth of scholarship on these verses and claim there aren't contradictions, but you read a few ill-intended translations and debate it's contradiction.
Till, when he [the traveller Zul-qarnain] reached
the setting-place of the sun,
he found it going down into a muddy spring, ...
-- Sura Sura 18:86
sorry to say this man is like a living quran. boring .confusing. contradictory, repetitive and false.
In simple English it is 7 different Korans.
Fidel Castro Solo-man was crying on the deen show because Chris used his own book to school abduls like sneako at Hyde park on the non preservation of the qurans 😂
Chris gave Fadel a schooling of a lifetime!
The guy is demanding respect where he never gives it to his own people in Egypt. In every environment where Muslims exist there is no right given for none Muslims to argue their case against Islam.
18:09 Soliman: God spoke about the hereafter 500 times in the past times. Why did God do that? Because he is the First and Last
Or maybe he was a bit rubbish at grammar?
Seeing Chris trying to defend Christianity at the end is so funny! He can’t defend the trinity without trying to compare it to Islam. Lol 😂
Allah doesn’t have parts Chris. Raihan and many other brothers from speakers corner have made all of this clear to you in the park but you still don’t seem to get. It’s funny cos so don’t understand our explanation of Allahs attributes but you manage to understand the trinity. Lol 😂
I think the reason why you reject Islam in your heart is because you don’t want to truly submit to the creator. You prefer to submit to your own intellect. Which is exactly what Allah says the disbelievers will do!!!
allah has parts...hands
I really don´t understand how any person can believe that allah is the all-powerful, all-knowing creator of the universe. In quran 37 verse125, allah complaines that :" “Do you call upon Baal and forsake the Best of Creators?” LOL. What an insecure god. The guy can´t stop whining about how people are not giving him enough attention....he sounds like a jealous wife who gets angry that her man looked at another woman. When i read a verse like this, all i hear is "wahwahwah why are you not paying all your attention to me? wahwahwah stop looking at baal, look at me instead, i am so great, I´m the greatest...wahwahwah if you don´t pay attention to me i will torture you, wahwahwah... ok if you pay attention to me i will give you 72 virgins "....hahahaha such a whiny insecure god. Definitely a god created by men. If you think this allah character created our universe, the joke´s on you!
@@markorbit4752 No he doesn't!!
simply ridiculous notion.
@@Dawah-Quest quran 39:67 "hey have not shown Allah His proper reverence-when on the Day of Judgment the ˹whole˺ earth will be in His Grip, and the heavens will be rolled up *in His Right Hand.* Glorified and Exalted is He above what they associate ˹with Him˺!"
@@markorbit4752 when Allah swt mentions hands we do not recognise them like they are similar to our human hands in any shape or form. We affirm the text but we don’t associate the attributes to be similar to the creation in any way! The same way Allah swt says he is all seeing we don’t assume he has eyes like his creation!
The creator is not like the creation period!!!
12:59 " the 4 abduls" 😂😂
Also, reflect on your bible:
I can't work out how anyone takes Soliman seriously.
Also the meteor strike hypothesis has already been shown not to fit.
Go to 7:20 to ship the yapping
❤ showing Arabic translation version of Bible with name of al-lah instead of Elohim, Yahweh, Jehovah, Hashem, El Elohim,etc doesn't prove that al-lah is the true god and doesn't prove the God of Bible is the same god of Islam at all!
The Arabic bible is just a weak mistranslation of the True Bible under the authority and Khalifat of Islam!
I can change the name of Elohim and put Buddha there?! And prove Bible is from Buddha then!! How stupid!
Chris lacks humility and sincerity! He doesn’t speak the Arabic language yet when he is given clear explanations from a linguistic professor he still has the nerve to say his understanding is superior! 😂
I would love to see Chris have a discussion with Bart Herman and try and wiggle his way through the Bible.
Sharia means "pathway to water" and Jesus warned about not drinking that bitter water!
Chris , this guy has rubbish answers to your questions , his degrees mean nothing...
Firstly , he started by greeting You with Assalamualakum , when the Qur'an clearly mentions , Salamun Alaykum , the manner he greeted related to Eesa ibn Maryam , in Surah Maryam ( Chapter 19 )
Hadith is a science , a Pseudo Science..
Not a God given book , / books...
Written by puppets of the ruling regime at the time...
200 + years after Moe passed on..
Hear say , that's why they talk so much crap , all hear say...
My name is Ismail Omer
So I have studied and learnt everything available to me on both my names ...
Arab are beduin nomads , before oil , they were under the Ottaman Empire ...
Qur'an uses a it's own Lexicon ... It's syntax is different in its own style
The Author seems to focus on Human Conciousness and to realise there is a Devinely Nature within us ,
Men & Women..
The most read / recited book in the world , yet the least understood ...
Allah Never send down the koran to mohd
This guy has the audacity to claim his grandfather is Zubair IBN Al awam. The 43 grandfather.
Christian Prince will finish him in 1 minute.
The Qur'an is preserved. As for the new testament! Bart ehrman said, 'there are more errors than words "
Older quran manuscripts that don't match the modern versions, erasures, added words, covered words, palimpsests. No ancient quran manuscript match any of the 36+ qurans.
Rubbish. We have the original manuscript. It's in a place called Birmingham. We have 100% of the Qur'an from the 1st century. You have ZERO. Burn in your envy pagan.
Be careful of who you quote, the same man you want to use to prove your argument, destroy your Quran also. So, you can only show you are hypocrite when you pick and choose what you accept from his statement.
@@j2shoes288100% of something that not one single follower of your prophet can produce? Where is this 100% Quran? We know you do not, you are a liar. If you did, your scholars would be singing like canaries about having it, but they’re silent.
The two folios in Birmingham are just copies of previously known stories, so they prove nothing but that your prophet plagiarized.
@@caliburnblade7895 very correct.
THE FIRST AND THE LAST
Surah 57:3 of the Qur’an refers to Allah as “the First and the Last, the Most High and the Most Near.” The Old Testament agrees that God is the “First and the Last,” as we read in the Book of the prophet Isaiah:
Isaiah 44:6-Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me.”
When “LORD” is written in all capitals in the Old Testament, the term refers to Yahweh, the creator of the universe. Since both the Bible and the Qur’an give the title “the First and the Last” to God, it should be quite shocking for Muslims to open the New Testament and read Revelation 1:17-18, where Jesus says:
“Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.”
Would a mere prophet claim to be the “First and the Last”?
The mess the Quran is in , this guy calls an amazing phenomenon. 😳
Gosh why quote Arabic verses and translate them ….translate directly …waste of time
Orthodox also pray that way. So what how they pray!!!
2:14:43 - JESUS PRAYED LIKE MUSLIMS?
No, Muslims pray in one of the ways that Jesus did, except that He also prayed to His Father, which "Allah" categorically denies is impossible in ANY manner. Thus, Jesus was NEVER a Muslim; they need Him, but He completely rejects them and their ilk. Repent, Muslims, from your own righteousness and have faith toward Jesus, be baptized into Him, accept that He will take your sins upon Himself, and that you will then be resurrected unto eternal life and justified (Heb 6:1-2). The end. 🙏👳♂️👍
You’re not a fan of contradictions because your Bible is full of them lol
Just insincere people
🤭 Lots of cover ups to me. Excuses, excuses… Sorry, not buying them. 😆 Bart Erhmann? 😂 Goodness me. These people do really love merry-go-rounds 🎠.
All i heard from Fadel is lots and lots and lots and lots of BS in defence of 'perfect preservation'. I came here expecting that perhaps, for once, i will hear someone from the Islamic faith making some good sense and plausible defence on perfect preservation
Is allah YHWH in the koran ?
10:50 - so allah did not give the responsibility to any human to preserve the quran. What about the revelations before it? The Torah and the Injeel. allah couldn’t preserve those?
The responsibility was given to the rabbi for torah however Allah in his knowledge knows the old scriptures were change and was a test to the rabbi.
Quran claims that Allah preserve his Word for Quran.🙂
That's a good point! If Allah wants to take the responsibility of the Quran then why didn't he for the Torah and Gospels?
@@inquisitivemind007 Allah' s will according to his wisdom and knowledge. It would not had been a test for the Jews if Allah intervene.
Allah knows what is in the heart of his creations and those who disbelieve were the choice made from the people during that time.
Prophet Muhammad is the last messenger/ prophet of Allah and completed his mission for the last revelation/ book from God. Hence the message/book, Allah's will to preserve it until end of times.
@@astrike3355-jd9pm allah is a fool then. muhammad a bigger fool.
I will tell you why.
*Surah 5:68* - Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O People of the Book! You have nothing to stand on unless you observe the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord.” And your Lord’s revelation to you ˹O Prophet˺ will only cause many of them to increase in wickedness and disbelief. So do not grieve for the people who disbelieve.
And when the Torah was brought to him, he withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: “I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee.”
@@astrike3355-jd9pm don’t talk stupid please
You really need another video to take apart all the lies and garbage this guy presented.
Another sophist
muhammad pbuh spoke arabic to his followers n mashaf uthmani is the perfect one along other ways of speaking the. verse. while chris is struggling with the translations of them thinking the quran was in english to accuse quran is imperfectly preserved...lol. chris need consult with arabic speaking christians.😊
As an Arab myself I suggest you truly evaluate the claim of variants in words as “other ways of speaking”… it defies the very concept of preservation.
@@CipherXM as Allah said in the quran...he preserves the Quran even including all the styles of reciting His verses without any contradicting message/meaning found among them. off course a little difficult for non native like chris to comprehend the concept of perfect preservation. certainly quran is orally transmitted fundamentally n text is designed to match them.
@@jawebeserk2054 what are you talking about?! Any honest person reading these variants will know they can truly contradict and change the meaning of the passages. Chris doesn’t speak Arabic but he has a translation from a Muslim who presented clear contradictions and discrepancies between the readings. To still assert the Quran is still preserved is a severe case of cognitive dissonance 🫠
@@jawebeserk2054
Allah himself knew the Quran is not preserved, it is only you modern Muslims that are parroting this new lies.
Whether, a piece is lose from and acclaimed Qiraats means it not preserved, only a disingenuous person will says otherwise.
@@CipherXM im talking what mr solimen already made clear to the confusing chris. nothing contradicts in message/meaning verse of those reading variants for the native people. each and every example chris n solimen himself presented. reading variants is reading slight discrepancies but not contradicting in the meaning/messages to the native speakers. cognitive dissonance occurs to people like chris is understandable. different muslim translations of uthmani text has slight differences yes but muslim has no prob. in comparison to preservation problem of the bible and the contradictions in them, even the biblical scholar admit they are prevalently obvious.
Yeah the more you try to understand Koran and Arabic you get dumber… I wonder why Allah chose to reveal his uncreated things in the language that is so simply diluted…..😂
Alas, poor Fadel isn't aware of the deceitful missionaries and their tactics.
😂
or Whatever!!!!!!! Sums up their word for word preservation. or Whatever!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Another scholar that turns up to be a clown.
Im bored, typical sophistry. Get to the point. What a showman - muslims fall for this stuff. Stick to the science!!!
Professional liar.
Anyone who takes Jesus as God or son of god then you will abide in the hellfire for eternity. I hope the message is clear enough for you!
Any who takes Allah the Quarashy pagan chief god as Yahweh is going to hellfire.