The OwOnekko AI drama is a mess...

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  • Опубликовано: 23 янв 2025

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  • @lolaholliday
    @lolaholliday  4 месяца назад +319

    **EDIT:** Nondi has responded further and doubled down but I won't be covering it: ruclips.net/user/postUgkxscOdzD1LS_Bwuoas4wQYTpyzR5emJrXO
    **IMPORTANT EDIT:** I would like to clarify the comment I made at 5:37 because it seems like I didn't phrase it super well and some people are not understanding what I'm meaning! Sorry about not being super clear. TD;LR I said something along the lines of "Nondi makes a point she thinks people parrot their opinions off of bigger creators without coming to their own conclusions. I can agree that I see some opinions being parroted because some people think that AI literally stitches people's work together and that's not how it works which shows they just heard that and didn't actually look into it themselves".
    Some people have taken this to mean that I'm saying that AI art is NOT trained off of artist's work (without their permission). I'm not saying that. Obviously, that IS how it works as these models are trained by scraping billions of images from the internet for use as training data. And I talk about that like a minute or two later in the video, and I talk about it again towards the end of the video as well! What I was *ACTUALLY* saying is that I see a common misconception that AI generators are literal collage machines. As in, I have seen people talking about how an AI generator just stores a bunch of images and then it literally Frankensteins and stitches them together when you type in a prompt. As if you will have a piece made from face cut out of a piece of riot splash art, digitally 'melded' next to an ear from ArtGerm's work and a background from Miyazaki that are seamlessly joined together. I've seen people talk about how they should change the AI generators so that it highlights which part of the image was copy/pasted from which artist. Of course, it luckily seems most people are educated and know that AI trains off of people's art (that has been scraped with consent) and then generates images from noise and isn't a literal collage machine which stores work and glues it together, but yes this is a viewpoint I see around a lot! It doesn't take too much effort to look up how they actually work. And I probably see it a lot more than most because of the places I have to go to research for my videos about Ai 😂 I read a lot of AI discussions in comments and threads. I hope that clears it up!
    TIMSTAMPS:
    00:00 Intro
    02:19 The beginning - Ai Music
    03:27 The comment that started it all...
    04:51 Summary of Nekko's response video
    13:19 The deleted live stream + misgendering?
    19:46 The TWEETS?
    21:49 Fued with Jouusta
    24:40 The Livestream
    25:54 My thoughts
    DESCRIPTION:
    In today’s video, I’ll be providing a rundown of the entire situation for anyone who might be out of the loop. From OwOnekko’s AI music playlist that sparked the initial controversy to the unfolding conflict with Jouusta and the more serious allegations now being discussed, I’ll break it all down and explain how we got here. It's important to note that while this situation is getting increasingly chaotic, I do not endorse or support any form of harassment against anyone involved.
    As for my personal take, I agree with some of the points Nondi made in her response video, but I also think that certain aspects were mishandled and there's stuff she said that I also heavily disagree with as well. The entire situation seems to have been blown way out of proportion and, unfortunately, it's only becoming more dramatic as things continue. What started as a debate over AI-generated music and art has spiraled into something much bigger and messier than it needed to be.
    Ultimately, my hope is that everyone involved can take a step back, calm down, and reflect. Logging off for a while, apologizing for any mistakes, and moving forward with their content and lives might be the best course of action at this point. It’s always better to resolve these conflicts before they become even more damaging to all parties involved. I wish the best to everyone involved and please heed my disclaimer at the start of the video! Keep your thoughts here instead of seeking out and sending more criticism to those involved

    • @lolaholliday
      @lolaholliday  4 месяца назад +21

      Guys can you stop mentioning the OG creator's name I'm having to comb through the comments and delete it 💀 I think there is way to block certain words from the comments section so I'm going to look into that so if you wonder why your comment vanished that's probably why

    • @crimsonindrag
      @crimsonindrag 4 месяца назад +3

      @@lolahollidayit’s in the comment setting in studio if ya ever wanna do that however it’s through the one on PC not mobile unfortunately

    • @sodawzzie
      @sodawzzie 4 месяца назад +1

      @@lolaholliday yes
      ^

    • @lolaholliday
      @lolaholliday  4 месяца назад +5

      @@crimsonindrag Thanks! I found a way to do it, people mentioning the channel's name should now have their comments auto-removed

    • @crimsonindrag
      @crimsonindrag 4 месяца назад +1

      @@lolaholliday oh cool I had issues before with people on an older channel so all I did really was hide them from my channel which is a soft ban

  • @friendlyneighborhoodartist
    @friendlyneighborhoodartist 4 месяца назад +1997

    She was super unrealistic about the whole realization. Her thinking that 1 comment was going to bring a whole audience is stupid af, lol. She caused all this drama for no reason. 🎉

    • @lolaholliday
      @lolaholliday  4 месяца назад +281

      Very unrealistic also to think that everyone would just agree with her

    • @SinCityRadio2077
      @SinCityRadio2077 4 месяца назад +28

      That comment is a passive agressive taunt obviously, every adult can see this, that's highschool pettines, what did you expect?

    • @CRanunculus
      @CRanunculus 4 месяца назад +10

      @@SinCityRadio2077
      Thank you!
      Even though RUclips doesn't "report" your comments to followers, people to subcribe to multiple creators. It was going to be found.
      Just leaving a comment can be read as a dog whistle by some nutty fan.
      Never underestimate a mob of users who might be too young to be online XD

    • @friendlyneighborhoodartist
      @friendlyneighborhoodartist 4 месяца назад +4

      @@SinCityRadio2077 no idea xD

    • @friendlyneighborhoodartist
      @friendlyneighborhoodartist 4 месяца назад +19

      @CRanunculus well ye but she created the drama she said would happen through misgendering lol...

  • @maplebeingsneaky4052
    @maplebeingsneaky4052 4 месяца назад +1342

    jouusta made one of the most respectful response videos I think I’ve ever seen on this platform and the “I hate the Blakkks” IS SUCH A WILD RESPONSE OH MY LORRRDDD

    • @synthellaart1587
      @synthellaart1587 4 месяца назад +254

      Also, the contrast on how Jousta drew her completely normal looking and Nekko making that caricature and putting words into her mouth.

    • @abc.6223
      @abc.6223 4 месяца назад +119

      proof honestly that being polite is wasted on people like that... she was downright tiptoeing on eggshells with her criticism and she still blew up at her and completely ignored every concern.

    • @Noodl306
      @Noodl306 4 месяца назад

      She is using her race like a shield. Pathetic

    • @figaroismycat
      @figaroismycat 4 месяца назад +32

      Owonekko lost all my respect. Never was subcribed, but would unsub anyway to put the stats in the negative.

    • @JackdawFeathers
      @JackdawFeathers 3 месяца назад +15

      @@synthellaart1587 There’s literally a moment in Jouusta’s video where she stops the speed paint to write how much she loves Nekko’s sona’s design 😭

  • @knifekisser
    @knifekisser 4 месяца назад +2822

    why is she making out like the commenter is a bad person?? makes no sense man, they were really sweet in the comment they left.

    • @Doctorrr_
      @Doctorrr_ 4 месяца назад +260

      I can see maybe how she thought "peace and love" was a sarcastic jab, but even if i was, it was not worth making such a long video and livestream about it.

    • @AuroraPaintBrush4444
      @AuroraPaintBrush4444 4 месяца назад +110

      ​@@Doctorrr_might be a "cultural thing?" Some places in the USA, "bless your heart" or "oh Honey!" With the drawn out "e" sound is condescending.

    • @knifekisser
      @knifekisser 4 месяца назад +218

      even if it's sarcasm, it doesn't excuse the misgendering. not only that but she called another creator racist for disagreeing with her. she's being a horrible person right now, she needs to take a break.

    • @Felix-jo7nj
      @Felix-jo7nj 4 месяца назад +44

      @@AuroraPaintBrush4444it's less of a cultural thing at this point and clearly more of an ego thing

    • @AuroraPaintBrush4444
      @AuroraPaintBrush4444 4 месяца назад +56

      @@Felix-jo7nj Just responding to wording, but honestly anyone that defends AI needs to touch grass.

  • @WhiteCresentKnight
    @WhiteCresentKnight 4 месяца назад +600

    Shes so insecure, if she really didn't care she would just delete the comment and move on. Now shes having a whole tantrum and calling her critics racist just because they don't look well upon people who use AI, which is rich because some over vocal critics who have made videos on the situation now are black and calling her out.

    • @Felix-jo7nj
      @Felix-jo7nj 4 месяца назад +54

      if she didn't rly care she'd probably not be deleting comments at all / turning off comments esp when a majority of people have been as respectful as possible on all platforms.

  • @potatopotayto8332
    @potatopotayto8332 4 месяца назад +318

    "i was being mature" while literally drawing the people who criticized you as wojacks is CRAAAZYYYYY

    • @hxney_bree
      @hxney_bree 4 месяца назад +20

      Nahhh, playing dolls with wojacks is crazy work 😭 that just makes you look so much worse imo

    • @potatopotayto8332
      @potatopotayto8332 4 месяца назад +4

      @@hxney_bree it rlly does!!

    • @252PurpleSnakes
      @252PurpleSnakes 3 месяца назад +14

      Her entire argument is “I drew myself as CHAD and you as VIRGIN so I win!!!”

    • @steamoreeno
      @steamoreeno 3 месяца назад +6

      not to mention drawing your sona projectile shitting on said wojacks 😭😭

  • @Hypoanimations24
    @Hypoanimations24 4 месяца назад +1227

    It SUCKS because nekko is a great artist but the channel just burned with the livestream.

    • @lolaholliday
      @lolaholliday  4 месяца назад +280

      Honestlyyyy she had so much potential and just fumbled this so hard...

    • @Hypoanimations24
      @Hypoanimations24 4 месяца назад +99

      @lolaholliday she was literally one of my inspos 😭 but after that livestream I refuse to support her-

    • @Felix-jo7nj
      @Felix-jo7nj 4 месяца назад +95

      she was just picking up traction then fumbled it SOOO badly it hurts. esp bc i wanted to see more poc creators i look up to get bigger reach within the community :/

    • @froggyringu
      @froggyringu 4 месяца назад +1

      Well…maybe her art is just ai.

    • @Hypoanimations24
      @Hypoanimations24 4 месяца назад +56

      @@froggyringu no, I don't think so, ai isnt THAT capable yet, but that's an interesting and ironic idea lol

  • @valmetcat8042
    @valmetcat8042 4 месяца назад +962

    I hate people who say criticism is racism.

    • @joshuagolden26
      @joshuagolden26 4 месяца назад +6

      The video left out the part where jouusta was making rumors about owoNekko in her thumbnail and so she had just did the same thing. OwoNekko very much knows shes not racist please do your research before letting this poorly explained videos change your views on a person

    • @verysoapydishes
      @verysoapydishes 4 месяца назад +102

      ​@joshuagolden26 there's no rumours tho😭😭 plus she legit said in the description that the thumbnail was a lil clickbaity

    • @Cardinal_claw
      @Cardinal_claw 4 месяца назад +75

      ​@@joshuagolden26 OwONekko changed people's mind on who she is as a person, not these videos. OwONekko is the one who equaited the two. Also, the sucking up you're doing for someone who went scorched earth with near her entire fanbase over a disagreement is crazy bro

    • @table2.0
      @table2.0 4 месяца назад +44

      @@joshuagolden26”making rumours about OwO in her thumbnail”.. where? Her saying “AI is good”? Which she basically said by denying that it’s bad?? What rumours, man?

    • @xSophchii
      @xSophchii 4 месяца назад +16

      ⁠@@joshuagolden26 D RIDERRRR D RIDER D RIDER D RIDERRRRRR
      In all seriousness tho there’s NO way you’re actually defending Nondi for accusing respectful criticism as racism and acting like a literal CHILD while pushing 30 💀
      There were no “rumors” being spread by Jouusta’s thumbnail, because it’s essentially what Nondi claimed her stance on AI is if she thinks it’s a good idea to use it to make monetized videos for her channel.
      If you actually bothered to watch Jouusta’s video in full you’d see how respectful they actually were towards Nondi, maybe next time do **YOUR** research before trying to defend someone who refused to reciprocate their oppositions’s courtesy and drew a disrespectful caricature of them on their thumbnail :)

  • @moisturizedrats
    @moisturizedrats 4 месяца назад +1097

    It's crazy how Nandi drew Jo like that when Jo drew Nandi's sona normally. JO ALSO COMPLIMENTED NANDI'S SONA IN HER VIDEO. The disrespect is insane. I used to respect Nandi and appreciate her content, but Nandi has really shown her true colors in this situation and how immature she truly is.

    • @OpheliaStars_18
      @OpheliaStars_18 4 месяца назад +140

      Couldn’t have said it better myself. Nandi is being SO IMMATURE, she’s actually acting like a child (a misbehaving one at that)

    • @kaiady8086
      @kaiady8086 4 месяца назад +121

      Left such a bad taste in my mouth because Jo never ever said anything racist. I think Nondi needs to step away from online because it’s all too much

    • @joshuagolden26
      @joshuagolden26 4 месяца назад +3

      Nandi was trying to be discreet by removing the comment and covering the name but jouussa didn’t respect that. You make it seem like jouussa was being respectful when in reality she was spreading a rumor that nandi didn’t like her fans and would lose her trust (have you actually seen the thumbnail not to be rude) yes nandi went about it the wrong way but to make it seem like shes attacking that girl or boy is simply not true

    • @doriansquest
      @doriansquest 4 месяца назад +105

      @@joshuagolden26 and that excuses nandi calling her racist because?

    • @T_E_G
      @T_E_G 4 месяца назад +87

      ​@@joshuagolden26 because she clearly doesn't like her fans.
      Her saying that her "REAL fans" would stick by her no matter what she says is not a fan at all. She's just sticking with people that won't ever tell her no or criticize her.

  • @takendruid
    @takendruid 4 месяца назад +852

    What bothers me is that most big artists aren’t telling us how to feel about it. They’re telling us what AI is doing, that it’s harmful to artists, and _advise_ us to stay away from it, not tell us to.

    • @hilla3353
      @hilla3353 3 месяца назад +3

      Also, their target audience is not little kids.
      They are talking to a mature audience that can make their own opinion and disagree with the creator.
      This person was an example of this, and resorted on hating the audience😂

  • @edenwayne8407
    @edenwayne8407 4 месяца назад +1539

    * me trying to distance myself from thinking about art drama and discovers a new seemingly uncontroversial youtube artist that i haven't heard of, who draws art of my favorite fandoms. *
    3 weeks after i subscribed:

    • @idi0tsanswich379
      @idi0tsanswich379 4 месяца назад +109

      Me asf after I followed her for a month then got the vid of her being called out 😭

    • @MajorWish
      @MajorWish 4 месяца назад +48

      This was literally days after i subscribed 😶

    • @dummysoup
      @dummysoup 4 месяца назад +52

      literally a few days before the drama I was like “wow the art community has been pretty chill compared to a few years ago” 😭 i’ve been following her for about 5-6 months, just didn’t expect this from her AT ALL

    • @lordapplebush2380
      @lordapplebush2380 4 месяца назад

      Same dude

    • @meowzmeow045
      @meowzmeow045 4 месяца назад

      same here sadly

  • @takendruid
    @takendruid 4 месяца назад +1046

    As a viewer of June, I actually didn’t know they used he/him at all, just they/them. Which OwOnekko could have 100% used but no. It’s “too many words”

    • @siegejaymoonii
      @siegejaymoonii 4 месяца назад +9

      @@oliveranimates3038 Yup

    • @notbutters
      @notbutters 4 месяца назад +122

      “Too many words” is crazy😔

    • @coffeebeans9750
      @coffeebeans9750 4 месяца назад

      WAIT HERE ASS STARTED DRAMA WITH FUCKINH JUNE?!?wow.

    • @jjju3
      @jjju3 4 месяца назад +169

      IT WAS JUNE? SHE WAS AN ASSHOLE TO JUNE?? oh that makes me so much more frustrated. they are such a sweet person and their comment seemed extremely polite considering the subject, this is such an immature rude reaction over nothing.

    • @nevisnebis1207
      @nevisnebis1207 4 месяца назад +1

      It’s so stupid that if Nondi was unaware and misgendered June the first time, all it would’ve taken is for her to say, “oh, okay, it’s he/they pronouns then”. It truly would not be that hard to just say she was wrong, and I can’t imagine anyone ever accusing her of transphobia if she didn’t specifically choose to double down and come up with excuses. Like, Nondi might as well have picked up the shovel and said “Shut up hoes, this is my grave to dig”

  • @LemonFlavoredKetchup
    @LemonFlavoredKetchup 4 месяца назад +849

    YO I WAS THERE FOR THE LIVESTREAM THEY DELETED TOWARDS THE END OF IT, they were basically saying "omg im manic!!" and like going crazy and shit, and then they got angry when people in the live said "are you actually manic?" "Are you okay" and "being manic isnt good" and they were ignoring the live chatters that were trying to explain why ai is bad. they were playing roblox the whole time too

    • @lolaholliday
      @lolaholliday  4 месяца назад +150

      I would be SO interested to see that live stream damn it 😤

    • @LemonFlavoredKetchup
      @LemonFlavoredKetchup 4 месяца назад +109

      @@lolaholliday i left sadly because she was TWEAKING ABT THE HATE BRO, she needs help

    • @Dosborreguitoscondoscabezas
      @Dosborreguitoscondoscabezas 4 месяца назад +81

      Bro, i was there too, she was straight up deleting my comments and I have proof, damn It was weird af, she was being rude :((((

    • @Dosborreguitoscondoscabezas
      @Dosborreguitoscondoscabezas 4 месяца назад +104

      ​@@lolahollidayshe was drawing in terrible ways all the people who either critised her, or genuinly cared about her, my first language ain't english so there were some bits i couldn't get, but the worst part was that the thumbnail had a very racist thing :(

    • @Disre.damn.spectful
      @Disre.damn.spectful 4 месяца назад +43

      I was there too, but left after they started yelling at the chat and going on about being bipolar and having a stutter. It was crazy

  • @Man-wolf-
    @Man-wolf- 4 месяца назад +251

    Also her “your scared to become obsolete” felt so ignoret-companies dont care abt the fact ai could never create art like a human can-they care abt saving as much money for themselves as possible
    If nekko worked in a big company said company wont gaf if AI cant copy her humour her humanity etc etc thats means jack shit to them-if they can find a way to not have to pay her but still get a similar product they will throw her to the garbage

    • @lolaholliday
      @lolaholliday  4 месяца назад +59

      Yeah I feel like it is always 'you'll become obsolete' from the people who think they won't become obsolete. I see the Reddit ai bros say stuff like this alllll the time... "hahaha you're obsolete we don't require your labour anymore get a proper job scrounger." I personally won't become obsolete because I'm just a hobbyist artist who never even intended to work in the industry. But saying other people are just afraid they'll become obsolete just lacks empathy because AI can already create works better+faster than any human (better in terms of rendering at least but not in terms of getting a coherent image that actually matches your description).

    • @Spamhard
      @Spamhard 4 месяца назад +20

      @@lolaholliday The extra irony of this take of "find a job that AI won't steal" is like. It doesn't matter. At some point during this trajectory, if tens of millions of people lose their jobs to AI, where do they think those recently unemployed people are going to go? Even "AI safe" jobs won't be safe from millions of jobless people all scrambling for the few scraps of paid employment left. You might not get AI competition, but you WILL get human competition, and you can bet that corporations will be quick to drop wages to scoop up the most desperate people. "Oh, you've been working for this company for 20 years? Yeah but there's 10,000 people outside who would take your job for quarter of what we're paying you, soooooo"

  • @shadzytarts
    @shadzytarts 4 месяца назад +113

    girl really said "Ive been mature" while acting like a mad child omg

    • @Nyxx0010
      @Nyxx0010 4 месяца назад +12

      Clearly she isn't a mature person if that was her being mature 😭

  • @table2.0
    @table2.0 4 месяца назад +64

    “Pronouns don’t come up in MY life personally”
    Nah nah, what they mean is that trans people don’t come up in their life and thus they doesn’t care about the issue.
    Also, June (the artist) has multiple videos where there are intros to the artists involved in collaborative videos where his pronouns are shown in his own pop up intro. He also made a video on his gender stuff iirc? But still. Assuming makes an ass out of you and me at the end of the day.
    Edited to use Neko’s they/them pronouns

  • @micapowder1221
    @micapowder1221 4 месяца назад +54

    17:40 as a nonbinary person, that didn’t feel like she was actually sorry for misgendering since she only mentioned “I should have used they/them to keep up anonymity”
    do I think she should have used they/them from the beginning since the person is anonymous? yeah, that makes the most sense when someone is anonymous. but she never actually said “I’m sorry for misgendering and blocking those who tried to correct me”, plus how she turned it into a “ew twitter culture” thing when it’s?? not?? she accidentally misgendered someone, got corrected, then proceeded to block those who corrected her and *actively chose* to misgender. that is transphobic period. it isn’t people turning an ai issue into transphobia, it is pointing out transphobia on top of an ai issue

  • @isaacblooms
    @isaacblooms 4 месяца назад +510

    Nekko has been completely unreasonable.
    I hate AI, but if she said "Well that's just my opinion." I would not care more than I do currently, I simply would just ignore her as a content creator online. What got to me was her Stream she made 4 days ago were she told artist that we ether have to get over AI or give up on our dreams of being artist. Because were "too scared" of it (which is BS) AI is a tool that can help artist- yes. But the problem is currently bad actors and that AI is stealing jobs is becoming very concerning. AI can only function from taking from others. and right now Artist are unwilling to participate because companies and people like Nekko are stealing. My dad isn't even an artist but was a computer programer for a large company, HE lost his job because AI did it better and with no pay to it. It's not just Art or music anymore, it's ALL computer based jobs that a good handful of people have fields in. Not to mention AI is stealing real images of people (children too mind you) and people are making deep-fakes of them. It's all greatly concerning and like I said, being used by Bad actors just trying to make money off other people.
    On top of all that, She was being kind of a POS over this. From misgendering June and only recently (like today recent) apologies, but event hat was kind of back handed? The images on Twitter weren't funny or cute, just gross. She demands us to come to our own conclusions while propping herself up as she was the one who was right and everyone twisted what she said- nah girl.
    It's all very frustrating.
    If she apologied at this point I personally won't expect it (more so because I don't trust her now) and that's just what over 10K people did this week. This situation has marked her as a person people will no longer trust or constantly bring up about her.

    • @Colourmechoco
      @Colourmechoco 4 месяца назад +3

      Well thats on the company, but ai doesn't work on its own and it has to be fact checked lol so I doubt ai stole his job.

    • @Felix-jo7nj
      @Felix-jo7nj 4 месяца назад +47

      ⁠​⁠are you a fly on the wall or simply choosing to play blind? you can't simply go 'i doubt it' when you, yourself aren't the one experiencing the situation, there have been plenty of people whom have lost their jobs to AI. it being on the company is only a small fraction of the issue. go watch the nadestraight's videos on how he was replaced from his job suddenly, because they phased him out with AI after training the AI off of his works. "ai doesn't work on it's own" yeah, and that's a big part of the issue, companies willingly stealing to fuel the AI. you just genuinely have to be a troll comment at this point.

    • @Weeniehutnurse
      @Weeniehutnurse 4 месяца назад +21

      @@Colourmechoco that....that's not how they work. Companies train the AI off your work, and then it makes the code. Yeah it "doesn't work on it's own", it's trained from your work, and then they put in prompts. It's happened to some of my colleges at different jobs. Don't speak on something you don't know about.

  • @tomshroom
    @tomshroom 4 месяца назад +160

    So basically, all of this started because she received criticism from a bigger channel, said that bigger channels shouldn't "harass" ones smaller than theirs....and then she acts like a stereotypical 12yr school bully to a channel smaller than hers.... checks out

  • @maemadl54
    @maemadl54 4 месяца назад +358

    It’s like she wanted drama. Like she was just dying to have a big “oh look at me I’m just trying to be myself and every wants to cancel me!” moment

    • @SkwiddInkay
      @SkwiddInkay 4 месяца назад +49

      It's crazy too because she full on said it herself that she did not want to have any drama and yet she did this 😭

    • @Doggcereal
      @Doggcereal 4 месяца назад +17

      ​@@SkwiddInkay hard to not have drama when what she sees all constructive criticism as 'drama' and trying to hurt her lol

    • @SkwiddInkay
      @SkwiddInkay 4 месяца назад +9

      @snowpawwildcraft6276 exactly, she entirely went against what she said with this immature response. It's genuinely sad.

    • @Marsthecat111
      @Marsthecat111 4 месяца назад +3

      @@Doggcerealfr.it’s like an Frog not trying to see all flys as food.if you don’t want drama ?good for you don’t create arguments over small things?but if your gonna take all criticism as one and respond clearly you want drama.

  • @TwiDashFTW
    @TwiDashFTW 4 месяца назад +220

    To clarify Nondi said she made the thumbnail the way that she did because Jo "lied in her thumbnail" so Nondi wanted to "lie in her thumbnail too"
    The lying in question that Jo did was having Nondi say"AI is good" in the thumbnail. When Nondi APPARENTLY has a "neutral" stance on AI (she does not have a neutral stance on AI). This was in her most recent live explaining why she made the thumbnail the way she made it.
    Also to expand on me not thinking she is neutral. Nondi claims she has a neutral stance on AI but encourages its use and ignores the ethical question multiple times. Like she does say she wants more regulations for it, but also excuses the fact that it does steal and equates it to "everything gets stolen all the time" while that is true, her stance is clearly not neutral imo. It's leaning positive if anything.

    • @deano8894
      @deano8894 4 месяца назад +34

      It’s also crazy to me she thinks making jo say an extremely racist nonsequitur is equivalent to nondi’s argument that jo used

    • @ptvl0ver124
      @ptvl0ver124 4 месяца назад +5

      nondi literally does think AI is good too, she literally said it can be used in many ways and we as artists shouldn't be afraid of it. and to use RACISM to go against their "lie" is insane...

    • @TwiDashFTW
      @TwiDashFTW 4 месяца назад +3

      @@ptvl0ver124 he opinion of AI does lean positive absolutely and to try and deny that is baffling. That is to say I think she is right that it depends on how AI is used. That ALSO being said, her way of using it is not great.

  • @new_username4733
    @new_username4733 4 месяца назад +134

    "I WAS BEING MATURE!!"
    I'm scared to see what her vision of her being "immature" is if that was mature.

  • @dummyberrry
    @dummyberrry 4 месяца назад +234

    No because claiming you're acting mature it's so delusional, if this is acting mature for her then we're fucked

  • @whoahanant
    @whoahanant 4 месяца назад +193

    I'm still caught up on her saying "you should've used an alt account to comment instead" when she deleted another creators alt account comment lol.
    Also why should someone try to hide their stance? Either stand on it or don't. She wants to stand on her opinion of AI, fine. They want to stand on their opinion of AI, fine. The only one who got upset here was her and then took it ALL personally. Sounds like she can't stand on her opinion because alot of it was clearly disliked.

  • @elvingearmasterirma7241
    @elvingearmasterirma7241 4 месяца назад +377

    "pronouns dont come up in my life personally"
    ... Okay more people need a lesson again on basic grammar. Because I, me, you, are also pronouns. We use it everyday

    • @elvingearmasterirma7241
      @elvingearmasterirma7241 4 месяца назад +94

      @bav3860 Uh yea?? Subject pronouns??? Didnt you take grammar tests??

    • @elvingearmasterirma7241
      @elvingearmasterirma7241 4 месяца назад +67

      @bav3860 ... Do I uh... Do I need to lend you my grade 3 English grammar book? This is a sincere question.
      Who is your English teacher I just wanna talk with them

    • @vlinderfin
      @vlinderfin 4 месяца назад +101

      ​​​​@bav3860YES, God, a pronoun literally just means 'a word in a sentence that replaces the name of a noun (person, place, or thing).'
      Examples:
      'John is very tall. *He* is over 180 cm.'
      In the second sentence the pronoun 'he' is replacing the proper noun 'John'
      'The Louvre is an art museum in France. *It* has many famous paintings, like the Mona Lisa.'
      In that sentence the pronoun 'it' is replacing the proper noun 'The Louvre'
      'The list says "Felix Lee." Since Lucky is a nickname for Felix, I figured that was *you* .
      In THAT sentence the pronoun 'you' is replacing the proper nouns 'Felix Lee' and 'Lucky'
      'Hello is this Mrs. Baker speaking?' 'Yes, that's *me* '
      In THAT sentence the pronoun 'ME' is replacing the noun 'Mrs. Baker'
      You may notice that in the last example I posed it as a conversation between two people rather than two statements from one person like the previous examples. This is because most people refer to themselves *exclusively* with pronouns because most people don't talk like Elmo from Seasame Street. But that's beside the point. The point is that pronouns are used to replace proper nouns so that you don't have to restate the name of the thing you're talking about everytime you mention it. Basically if you could replace the word with a name and have the sentence still make sense, than it's a pronoun.
      Going back to our examples ...
      The sentence 'The Louvre has many famous paintings such as the Mona Lisa.' Makes just as much sense, and conveys all the same information as the sentence 'It has many famous paintings such as the Mona Lisa.' Even the last one, 'Yes that's me.' Could easily be rewritten as 'Yes, I'm Mrs. Baker.' To make it make sense.
      This is what pronouns are and always have been and the fact that so many of you don't know that is deeply disappointing ...

    • @synthellaart1587
      @synthellaart1587 4 месяца назад

      ​@@elvingearmasterirma7241 I think that was sarcasm

    • @Aesos3429
      @Aesos3429 4 месяца назад +21

      @@synthellaart1587 How? (That’s a genuine question, I’m not understanding where the sarcasm is there)

  • @Annlytical_Aster
    @Annlytical_Aster 4 месяца назад +161

    Something that confuses me, is that Nekko thinks that The Big Creator was sticking his audience after her? Like leaving comments does nothing to affect their followers algorithm. That’s just not something YT does. Literally no one in Big Creators audience would have known if Nekko didn’t turn this all into a hissy fit

    • @joshuagolden26
      @joshuagolden26 4 месяца назад +1

      Actually owoNekko was getting hate from this creators fans and the video was about the hate comments

    • @Annlytical_Aster
      @Annlytical_Aster 4 месяца назад +39

      It’s not that I don’t doubt that, but Big Creator hasn’t even posted/talked about it. If Big Creator’s fans were leaving hate comments, there’s a large chance of them being Nekko fans as well. I follow Big Creator and keep an eye out for collabs and whatnot, yet didn’t even hear about this until Nekko decided to blow it out of the water. She made it much bigger than it ever needed to be.

    • @TBG1
      @TBG1 4 месяца назад +32

      ​@@joshuagolden26 well, how would they've found the comment if the big creator didn't mention on their channel at all? Like,, go to their page. No mention of owonekko on there at all

    • @Idontknow-su2yb
      @Idontknow-su2yb 4 месяца назад +27

      @@joshuagolden26criticism doesn’t equal hate comments. Sounds like she’s viewing anything as other than yesmen as hate

    • @vvv8392
      @vvv8392 4 месяца назад

      @@Annlytical_Asterby any chance can I know who’s the big creator?

  • @user-yd3qo6zd2t
    @user-yd3qo6zd2t 4 месяца назад +77

    Nah cuz when someone called her out in a civil way, and in a NON HATEFUL WAY, they immediately made fun of them.

    • @joshuagolden26
      @joshuagolden26 4 месяца назад +3

      Did u even see the video most of it was about the hate comments which was taken out context which jouusta then made a video with owoNekko in the picture titled “how to lose your fans trust” which for some weird reason wasn’t mentioned in this video. Like owoNekko said yall quite literally aren’t listening to her

    • @gachathis4858
      @gachathis4858 3 месяца назад

      ​@@joshuagolden26ohhh it's the lying defender who can't read. There's literally evidence of her wacky behavior. You're either her in disguise, obsessed with her or a defender of any coloured person bc you believe coloured ppl can't be mad. A respectful comment IS NOT HATE
      how is nekko craping on all these drawings and spreading hate against someone WHO COMPLIMENTED HER AND DREW HER NORMALLY the one you're defending??
      Girl gtfo

  • @chillandcol2503
    @chillandcol2503 4 месяца назад +96

    I watched the live stream. It was SO bad. She made sketches of her “haters” like sayings like “unsubscribe chain.” The thumbnail was even worse. She made the person who made a video on it say “I hate the blakks” in the livestream, when called out, she said “you have to be more specific” and laughed about it, clearly not caring. Other people said in the chat that she made “dont misgender them!” In a mocking way over and over again, but i personally did not see it. The livestream was 2 hours, she was clearly very bothered by what was happening. I have multiple screenshots and videos, it was just so interesting to me.

    • @julien4305
      @julien4305 4 месяца назад

      Saw one that was mocking someone going "You're Manic!" but like.... she was? The comments weren't even making fun of her being bipolar and having a manic episode! They were genuinely trying to encourage her to hop off live because letting thousands of people gawk at you while you're having an episode is detrimental to HER!

  • @MAWZ_GOD
    @MAWZ_GOD 4 месяца назад +384

    im going to be completely honest, the reason I unsubbed is not because of her opinion on AI, it's this very crude and disrespectful tone she's giving to everyone in her audience. While I disagree with her opinion on generative AI, she has a right to a different opinion than me and I was fine with that however the way she is not only demeaning her audience by believing that people only don't like AI because of others opinions isn't true. I did my own research and as an artist, I do not like generative AI in it's current state. If it was regulated and artists could give consent or refuse, then I wouldn't really have an issue with it. I just don't like her undertones of her thinking we all hate AI because big youtuber said so, while yes that can happen I genuinely don't believe the majority of artists came to that conclusion because of a big youtuber. I also don't like her attitude on Twitter about saying people aren't her fans if they don't agree with her. People can still like your content and not agree with your opinion, she wants a bunch of yes men who will always agree with her blindly and I do not want to be apart of that. I want her to log off and take a break because it seems like she genuinely is taking this much worse than what it was at the beginning. Also, didn't like that her partner was enabling her bad behavior on that 2nd stream, it was giving me very icky vibes. I highly doubt she will give a apology. She seems very set in her ways and refuses to listen to anyone which is kinda sad...

    • @joshuagolden26
      @joshuagolden26 4 месяца назад +2

      Because she doesn’t owe anyone an apology she was respectful to both sides and simply gave her opinion on the back lash but then you had some random creator making thumbnails saying she doesn’t care about her fans because she doesn’t disapprove of ai yet yall will defend the other creators simply because she got the pro nouns wrong.

    • @BlackDogsAndLadybugs
      @BlackDogsAndLadybugs 4 месяца назад +65

      ​@@joshuagolden26If by respectful, you mean Nondi making petty insults, drawing her persona pooping and farting on people giving her mild criticism, and labeling someone who merely disagreed with her as a racist despite them literally having the most polite take on the situation... idk what to tell you, lmfao.
      We're not mad at her for "just getting pronouns wrong", we're critical of her for how she responded to this whole mess she caused herself. For monitizing AI, despite knowing it's harmful, for tripling down on being Transphobic, (And yes, I'm sorry, that's what it is. She was made painfully aware of how to address June and continued to misgender him anyways.) and insulting her own fans just for being concerned or rightfully questioning her.
      Nondi has been childish, rude, and ignorant. She should apologize.
      But the minority of people who are using this situation to actually be racist or threatening towards her just because of this drama also need to be called out, because it's disgusting and unnecessary.

    • @MAWZ_GOD
      @MAWZ_GOD 4 месяца назад +33

      @@joshuagolden26 uhm... how is insinuating someone as a racist with a crude and misleading thumbnail, while the other creator drew her persona with respect even though she disagreed with her stance on AI being respectful?? Then giving out petty insults and insinuating that people within her audience that disagree with her are brainless dumbasses based on how she responded to people on Twitter and within her 2nd stream, you can not honestly believe that she is being "respectful" to anyone. This is not just about the transphobia, the tripling down on the misgendering, and her stance on generative AI usage, this is about maturity during criticism which she has shown she has none. Jouusta and any creator on this site has the right to criticize and/or disagree with any creator whether you like it or not, people are "defending" the nameless big creator and Jouusta because of Nondi's immature reaction to both of them. The transphobia is just the icing on top of her disrespectful responses. That is why I say she should apologize.

    • @Idontknow-su2yb
      @Idontknow-su2yb 4 месяца назад +18

      ⁠@@joshuagolden26sure, she doesn’t owe an apology but let’s not pretend she was “respectful” towards those who gave criticism. She created this drama. No one else.

    • @joshuagolden26
      @joshuagolden26 4 месяца назад +1

      @@Idontknow-su2yb she turned her comments off because people were being hateful and then y’all went to her other videos to send even more hate. I don’t understand how y’all are upset with her for being rude to hate comments. She doesn’t owe yall anything

  • @estrellasart4007
    @estrellasart4007 4 месяца назад +75

    The thing is if ur talking about someone anonymous you should use they/ them as it is gender neutral and better helps hide the person

  • @kageorii
    @kageorii 4 месяца назад +31

    It’s insane that she would cry about a larger creator ‘attacking’ her but then go and attack a smaller creator immediately after

  • @jesterdays
    @jesterdays 4 месяца назад +18

    No way she really just pulled the "I drew myself as the chad and you as a soyjack" unironically

  • @n.p.cocabean6229
    @n.p.cocabean6229 4 месяца назад +32

    Speaking as a black person, seeing that thumbnail she made of jouusta absolutely boiled my blood
    It was frustrating when she was making terrible points supporting ai, it was horrible when she was misgendering a trans person, and now its even worse seeing that thumbnail
    I watched jouusta's video talking about the situation and they were so respectful and kind, they were justifiably calling out things owoneko said that were wrong or bad and she responds like that??
    Accusing someone of racism is a serious thing, and just casually going around saying someone is racist because you dont like getting critisized is disgusting and childish, it takes the seriousness out of the importance of calling out racism because shes using it as a bandaid for her poor feelings. Calling people racist should never be taken lightly, and if she really did think this was a funny joke thumbnail, thats just as bad

    • @TheSapphireLeo
      @TheSapphireLeo 3 месяца назад

      But also careful of using the world "childish', if also "childist", when they are capable of also gently being taught?

  • @AlexisSmith-y8p
    @AlexisSmith-y8p 4 месяца назад +137

    On the livestream, she drew hate comments as people in very offensive ways. The thumbnail was Jouusta, saying “I hate the blackks”

  • @qryptid
    @qryptid 4 месяца назад +40

    The number of people who say stuff like "you shouldn't be able to hide behind your gender" and then accuses anyone who criticises them of racism... mmmkay

  • @teddybearmei8713
    @teddybearmei8713 4 месяца назад +97

    half way through, to me she sounds mentally unwell and not ready for something like content creation and that owoneko needs to do some self diving into their brain because they seem to get angry easily etc. Coming from someone with mental issues lol but yeah they aint right i dont like what theyre saying

    • @teddybearmei8713
      @teddybearmei8713 4 месяца назад +12

      also it seems to me that all the hate she has gotten has all come from herself bruh XD

    • @siegejaymoonii
      @siegejaymoonii 4 месяца назад +33

      Yeah. She mentioned being manic in her first livestream, but then got mad when people asked if she was. She has bpd (borderline personality disorder.)

  • @popshoppacks
    @popshoppacks 4 месяца назад +126

    13:52 someone in the stream did say they were recording it. I wonder if they were able to successfully save it and upload it somewhere?

    • @Dosborreguitoscondoscabezas
      @Dosborreguitoscondoscabezas 4 месяца назад +26

      I have some parts of It, mostly photos but yeah

    • @GUTE4TER
      @GUTE4TER 4 месяца назад +3

      I managed to grab the entire thing, worth like the 2gb of space

  • @thelovelybunny9012
    @thelovelybunny9012 4 месяца назад +93

    As someone who took part in AI image generators for a while, I can say that the whole "ai helping with creativity" bit is not true. AI is derivative, and that means any works inspired by AI is derivative. I realized that my use of AI was taking away my creativity, and was snuffing out my motivation to continue making art.
    The only pro of participating in said AI generators is that I can very easily spot if something was generated by AI now.

    • @AleksandarBell
      @AleksandarBell 4 месяца назад +6

      The only thing that ai has helped me with is generating random names for background NPCs for my dnd campaign. Literally that’s it. And the ones I found that were made by actual humans were miles better so I stopped using the AI

  • @taigatanfan_
    @taigatanfan_ 4 месяца назад +47

    The whole “oh well it’s here there is nothing we can do about it” is so harmful. It’s sending the message that your things are gonna get stolen and profited off of anyway no matter what you do, so whatever the point of fighting against it? It’s genuinely harmful. It’s genuinely giving the idea that it’s ok to steal since it doesn’t harm you and no one can do anything about it.
    “Oh you built your own house with your own money and effort? Oh well It’s gonna get stolen anyway so what can you do about it”
    People can build their entire business and brand up, just for some @ss to come around and steal every single part of it, so you go out of business completely. “Oh well nothing you can do about it” that is insane.

    • @dewyeyed
      @dewyeyed 4 месяца назад +13

      It's such a defeatist mindset, too. It's one thing to just give up and resign yourself to rolling over and tolerating your own exploitation, but to then encourage and even shame other artists into doing the same? As an artist, it makes me feel sick to my stomach. It's not about the impossible odds we're facing; it's the principle of the matter. I'd rather go down kicking and screaming than simply accept that my fate is to be used and then discarded by the powers that be.

    • @goblinguy3103
      @goblinguy3103 4 месяца назад

      It feels so.. conservative? I’ve seen so many Israelis use that excuse. “Well, someone was gonna colonise this place anyways so why can’t we?” It’s literally the same excuse bigots use against the marginalized. Super disappointed

  • @no1legobatmanfan
    @no1legobatmanfan 4 месяца назад +107

    thinking pronouns are a twitter/internet thing is actually idiotic im crying 😭

  • @elvingearmasterirma7241
    @elvingearmasterirma7241 4 месяца назад +38

    Even if youre not a creative it does impact you. Its so so bad for the enviroment

    • @kimuires
      @kimuires 4 месяца назад +4

      Thank you!! No one is talking about this part???

  • @Shiny_Misty
    @Shiny_Misty 4 месяца назад +14

    What I find hilarious is that she was all "I don't get why the gender of this person I am misgendering matter" when she spins around and makes this about her race...? When it was never mentioned...

  • @MustyHoez
    @MustyHoez 4 месяца назад +36

    Ive never seen someone shoot themself in the foot like this. This is a very easily avoidable situation like omg lmaooo

  • @ashvv
    @ashvv 4 месяца назад +38

    someone's voice + representation of their character does not equal someone's gender or pronouns btw!

    • @ashvv
      @ashvv 4 месяца назад +27

      using they/them for anyone when you're unsure about pronouns is simple and should be adopted by everyone 😭

    • @STAR-de9lo
      @STAR-de9lo 4 месяца назад +1

      @@ashvv I disagree.

    • @HakaYonder
      @HakaYonder 4 месяца назад +4

      @@STAR-de9lo And that's alright. But when you're talking about someone people know and get corrected that your choice doesn't apply, complying would be fair. If people can recognize who you're talking about, the point of anonymity is gone.
      Also on side note, I don't know anyone who assumes anonymous people are women. Even my girl friends assume the other person's a guy until they get corrected. Tho that's heavily affected by the demographic of the hobby circles I'm in.

    • @STAR-de9lo
      @STAR-de9lo 4 месяца назад

      @@HakaYonder yeah when corrected but its normal for people especially cisgender people to assume the gender of someone on the basis of name or presentation.

    • @ashvv
      @ashvv 4 месяца назад +4

      @@STAR-de9lo then it shouldn't be normal. the status quo needs to change, and there's nothing wrong with admitting that.

  • @Doctorrr_
    @Doctorrr_ 4 месяца назад +47

    Thank you for this video. I was really sad to see there was drama surrounding her :( I loved her art and humor. The most frustrating part of this drama is that, like you pointed out, she literally could have just commented that the music was a silly video she did with someone and that she didn't mean any harm by it. There was no need to make a 30 minute long video on one commenter. She makes it seem like the artist who commented was trying to manipulate people just by their mere presence, which I'm sure wasn't the intention. Heck, the reason the artist could have commented is because they followed Neko themselves.

  • @quakeroats957
    @quakeroats957 4 месяца назад +24

    It was so ironic that she complained about people using transphobia to dismiss her opinion about a larger creator, but then proceeded to turn around and use racism to dismiss a smaller channels opinion 🤣🤦‍♀. I used to like owonekko but this situation is so awful.

  • @d34dsatan
    @d34dsatan 4 месяца назад +264

    as an artist who draws, creates, and does music, AI is killing all art forms.... Yeah it can be silly n fun to use but if your using AI and posting it like "look at this art i made 😍" "made this art with ai 🥰" like 😭 yeah you did but with no emotional intelligence behind it, it just popped out of nowhere like nothing. i use ai to chat with cuz its funny and dumb,, but thats all,, i will never use it to do anything with my creative skills and abilities.

    • @paleoberd
      @paleoberd 4 месяца назад +36

      Actually drawing or making your own art feels much more rewarding

    • @SunsetEnvy
      @SunsetEnvy 4 месяца назад +16

      It's also super harmful to the environment, it evaporates large amounts of water every hour or so. One use of genAI wastes enough energy to charge 7 electric cars iirc.

    • @daltronius
      @daltronius 4 месяца назад +16

      Not to mention, the videos were monetized, its one thing to mess around with a system built on theft, and another thing entirely to monetize the product of that system.

    • @conspiracypanda1200
      @conspiracypanda1200 4 месяца назад +11

      I find AI chats so boring. Like, it's avaliable at all times, which is an advantage, but it sucks. You can see the repetitiveness in it, even when it isn't obviously looping, and it has such hollow responses and a tendancy to insert cliche, open-ended paragraphs at the end of text strings when it's not talking in first person. I know that scheduling with other people to play fantasy games and chat about fiction is hard, but tbh all AI chats do is make me want to talk to someone with a working memory.

    • @synthellaart1587
      @synthellaart1587 4 месяца назад

      It's like posting a picture of food that you ordered and posting a picture online to show off what you cooked for dinner 😂

  • @TeasilaNova
    @TeasilaNova 4 месяца назад +52

    As someone who interacts with trans and enbies-- and being trans/enby myself, speaking for myself.
    i think the gender thing is one issue people have with her and her post is very defensive about apologizing to the bigger creator and Nekko's audience: her own audience of creatives. It's reasonable for the artists in her audience to want to protect their works from being trained on and her don't care attitude of not pushing back on this theft most likely one of many reasons they might not want to interact with her or choice to unsub. like your goals don't align.
    then there's the separate issue of The whole "she finds gender not a big deal for her" oh what it's like to be privileged and cis. my jabs aside.
    it becomes more apparent that apology is not genuine-- like a way to say "get off my back" and she's also a hypocrite: when it's okay for her to weaponize identity politics the very thing she had a grip abou... in her addressing post. smh 🤦
    that's not even addressing the hypocrisy of sub count you've and many others have mentioned. it really not even entirely abou the AI music at this point.
    And even considering all that-- I don't think she's taking any of this seriously which i imagine with livelihoods on the line that's most likely people are turning away. recovering from this would require a little more thought then posting funny memes on twitter mocking the critics. she's honestly projecting with those.🙄😒😏

    • @TBG1
      @TBG1 4 месяца назад +11

      Especially, as Jo mentioned in their video, she could've just corrected the misgendering on her posts. It happens, people might not know someone else's pronouns. As a trans person, I get that absolutely. But nondi went outta her way to make it a big deal. A simple "*them/he, sorry I didn't know" would've prevented ANYONE from calling her transphobic. But she lowkey just reinforced that she in fact is a transphobe by deleting comments that corrected her AND not correcting herself. Half of the drama she started could've been avoided by staying respectful ffs

    • @TeasilaNova
      @TeasilaNova 4 месяца назад +2

      @@TBG1 I just forgot to mention the livestreams but since i've only seen 2nd hand account including this video. I'm not gonna use it against her since it's been deleted. her little post on her channel and the jo rebuttal video are the most obvious hypocrisy that hasn't been removed. and with the meme trollish thumbnail i can only assume she's not taking this seriously. i'm probs giving her a lot of benefit of the doubt when she's tragically giving none to her critics qwq

    • @TBG1
      @TBG1 4 месяца назад +1

      @@TeasilaNova simply shows you're a better person than some others, dude

    • @TeasilaNova
      @TeasilaNova 4 месяца назад +1

      @@TBG1 i appreciate your comments man úwù

  • @I_love_dr_stone
    @I_love_dr_stone 4 месяца назад +60

    Owonekko being a weirdo is not suprising

    • @TBG1
      @TBG1 4 месяца назад +15

      I thought she was the silly, funny kind of weirdo, but nope. I thought wrong :/

    • @Mushd3s
      @Mushd3s 4 месяца назад +2

      What do you mean? Did she show patterns of immaturity/narcissism before? I only started watching her recently, so this whole thing really caught me off guard

    • @I_love_dr_stone
      @I_love_dr_stone 4 месяца назад +12

      @@Mushd3s Mean girl vibes. That brand of internet passive aggressiveness... hard to describe.

  • @rexdino3995
    @rexdino3995 4 месяца назад +18

    I was there for the stream! They were making excuses, making fun of people, mocking and drawing straight up disrespectful pictures of the commenters. She was literally manic because she knew that her career was near an end with RUclips, and was trying to double down. They were also saying that they were smart and the audience would be smart if they would’ve listened to Nandi 😭😭 It was straight up immature and embarrassing for her to do. The stream is still there! I went to check.

    • @Nyxx0010
      @Nyxx0010 4 месяца назад +6

      No she had another stream like a day before that one. I was there. She deleted it😭 it was wayyy worse than the one that's still up. She was so mad her followers begged her to end stream

  • @LT-jr3yb
    @LT-jr3yb 4 месяца назад +24

    Oh I unfollowed her after she made a misinformed video about a popular creator and regurgitated a lot of false accusations. Then talked smacked about the creators work afterward and I was like… ick. Seeing this now made me glad I did lol.

    • @ranchustars3050
      @ranchustars3050 4 месяца назад +2

      what creator was that

    • @LT-jr3yb
      @LT-jr3yb 4 месяца назад +1

      @@ranchustars3050 I’m sure you can find the videos still

  • @joyunderhiswings
    @joyunderhiswings 4 месяца назад +24

    Why is she so heated?? I don't understand why she genuinely made this such an inflated and big issue?? What a weird argument

  • @bro_of_the_north_star3080
    @bro_of_the_north_star3080 4 месяца назад +26

    She really just can’t say “I’m sorry”? Not every take you have has to be a banger 😭

  • @twigbranch4556
    @twigbranch4556 4 месяца назад +18

    'punk me out of being myself'
    thats what AI does.
    and thats what supporting AI does, to artists who want a career in this space. They could be punked out of it because AI model steal their art and style and make them feel obsolete because why go to the actual artist when they can use AI.
    Muisicans have more control over their art because of copyrights, but it's the same principles.
    You're not being 'punked out of being yourself' because people think it's wrong of you to monetise your AI muisic trained on (probably) stolen muisic.
    You're free to use it privately, but the second you posted it with monetisation on it stopped being a a bit of fun.
    To be honest I could have forgiven her for that because I understand some of her logic, just because there's bad people who use AI doesn't mean all AI usage is bad and she did in someway make the video transformative by splicing it, writting all the lyrics and doing the art in bg.
    However her proceeding to act like a child in the face on any valid criticism and her blaitent transphobia and going out of her way to ignore when people called her out on it she lost in my opinion the right to be upset at the original commenter and anyone who contiued to talk about the drama in her presence
    'with peace and love...'
    with peace and love proceeds to misgender him the intire video.

  • @cronchybuns
    @cronchybuns 4 месяца назад +27

    She reminds me of those animation meme creators back in 2015 who'd get upset over really stupid things... 😭

  • @liahmacncheese7495
    @liahmacncheese7495 4 месяца назад +13

    She really saw one comment that respectfully disagreed with her, and made a half hour video where she essentially just threw a tantrum. It sounds like she didn't even do any research either, no research to maybe understand the other person's reasons for disliking ai, or research to back up her own claims for liking ai. And the whole video she's telling us how to feel about ai, then turns off comments so no one can voice their own opinions, which is completely hypocritical considering she talks so much in the video about how people shouldn't just tell you what to think, and that you should do your own research. Which again, she also didn't do any research, so what even was the point of her video???

  • @edg2006
    @edg2006 4 месяца назад +26

    The worst part is that she could of stopped and separated herself before coming back to redeem herself and apologize to everyone (including the youtuber) that she was wrong and just needed to take a break before coming back.
    But no, its rather she trys to play tongue twister on everyone and choose to be ignorant of her viewers the whole way and call them fake for them just calling her bs out, truly horrible

  • @redballoon9007
    @redballoon9007 4 месяца назад +63

    Ngl, I mainly unsubscribed because of the transphobia

  • @animuswonder
    @animuswonder 4 месяца назад +20

    i’m really sad this turned out to be a knee-jerk response to the lightest amount of criticism. i genuinely like her as a content creator, but now that it’s clear she’s just… popped off. it’s hard to stay around anymore.

  • @RatGodofRats
    @RatGodofRats 4 месяца назад +7

    I was in the live, and it was genuinely depressing as someone who did enjoy her content and played her game. She was going on and on and repeating the same thing and she did say something along the lines of pronouns don’t matter if you’re a shitty person. And still misgendered.
    At some point she did mention she was manic and that’s when I started seeing ppl opposed to her even trying to tell her to get off stream because it felt like an episode (meanwhile her fans encourages this self destructive behavior) and even sending money telling her they’re concerned for her. Her partner just sat there and commented about a bag at some point.
    I don’t remember the conversations about some jobs being lesser than, but I do know she said something similar it’s artist own fault and problem if they think ai can replace artist (even tho where is already situations where companies are using ai instead of just being artist and musicians.. like the Fresh Beats dolls)
    Her actions after all this and a whole half hour long video to ONE SIMPLE and respectful comment is insanity and she brought this upon herself. She was disrespectful to ppl who where respectful to her and she’s clearly not mature enough to handle a convo because even in the live there where really respectful people trying to explain and she shit called them haters and followers and anyone who’s greed with her where real ones.
    I understood making stupid ai songs for her game, it’s a stupid game that’s extremely unserious and the whole point is that it’s ass and it was free. Ai can be a helpful tool (hell I use it when I don’t understand some text or I need name ideas lol) but a half hour long video low key justifying it in other ways and then a long ass rant on live doesn’t make it seem like you only use it as a helpful tool.

    • @RatGodofRats
      @RatGodofRats 4 месяца назад +1

      Apologizes for any spelling mistakes, I struggle with it and I have a new phone im navigating with its autocorrect (long time android user to iPhone lol)

  • @nautival
    @nautival 4 месяца назад +36

    great video! but i dont agree with you giving owownekko the benefit of the doubt on misgendering the person based on their drawn avatar + voice.
    its just good decency to not assume the person's gender on appearance and ESPECIALLY in owonekko's case when she literally spent all this time talking about them; why wouldn't you take the time to at least recognize their preferred pronouns?? it really takes no effort to look at their socials and find out imo

    • @ColdKolya
      @ColdKolya 4 месяца назад +14

      I fully agree, it is VERY important, as someone who feels that type of way about myself, I feel it's very important.

    • @lolaholliday
      @lolaholliday  4 месяца назад +11

      Yeah I appreciate how important it is for some people! But most people are as they present as, which is why I gave her the benefit of the doubt of not knowing originally. But there's absolutely no excuse for not apologising and correcting herself when people pointed out her assumption was wrong

  • @NikolaiTheJester
    @NikolaiTheJester 4 месяца назад +9

    Is she not doing what she accused the trans creator of?? Hiding from criticism behind a marginilized identity??

  • @cassi6528
    @cassi6528 4 месяца назад +9

    She sounds like a spoiled brat, and now she just keeps digging a hole she'll be unable to crawl out of. Maybe I'm petty but I think it would be kinda hilarious to have an AI that was solely trained off her art lol

  • @DancerSamChika
    @DancerSamChika 4 месяца назад +54

    For my honest, Nekko was VERY TOXIC PERSON. We wish Nekko would grow up as mature nice person without mocking and hating her audience and friends when she makes her decisions of her toxic mistakes.
    you're cool Lola✌️✨ and your art is cool.✌️✨🎀

  • @Jiroji-Takumaku
    @Jiroji-Takumaku 4 месяца назад +18

    As someone who saw the Livestream live at the beginning I feel really disappointed in her I lover her content and I lover her humor but god this is just to much I hope she realize soon what she did
    Edit: you did really good explaining everything in a few minutes usually video like this take hours

    • @joshuagolden26
      @joshuagolden26 4 месяца назад +1

      The video is poorly explained and lacks a lot of crucial information. Please do your research

    • @TwiDashFTW
      @TwiDashFTW 4 месяца назад +11

      @@joshuagolden26 Please explain your research and then maybe we'll listen to you. Until you bring the facts stop trying to be a contrarian. I get getting caught up in responding to things you disagree with, but it's not worht it. Unless you are a troll. In which case maybe it is worth it.

  • @no1legobatmanfan
    @no1legobatmanfan 4 месяца назад +19

    she literally couldve found a shitty royalty free backing beat and sung the lyrics herself and it wouldve been FUNNIER

    • @Speederzzz
      @Speederzzz 4 месяца назад

      As always AI makes people lazy and uncreative

  • @SamSandwichs
    @SamSandwichs 4 месяца назад +14

    I (was) a fan of OWOnekko, but during this whole drama and how they took the criticism, of what they have said about AI & about the whole concept artist thing, of refusing to acknowledge and acclnowledge and learn on how they misgendered someone, deleting comments that were negative, and how the drama was getting worse and worse, I’m no longer a fan of her. I’m REALLY disappointed in her

  • @Dave_the_person
    @Dave_the_person 4 месяца назад +14

    im an artist and the reason i dont support ai is because of companies tryint replace people jobs with ai, ido think ai could be used for good in the future i just think we need laws on ai before it becomes too big. i dont see people talk about this point a lot of the time when i see discussions about ai art. also good video.
    Edit: sorry I made a mistake, I misunderstood the video and thought that owonekko was transphobic. Thank you for the person who pointed this out to me

    • @joshuagolden26
      @joshuagolden26 4 месяца назад +1

      But she isn’t transphobic. She literally makes trans characters and just genuinely didn’t know they went by he/him

    • @Dave_the_person
      @Dave_the_person 4 месяца назад +1

      @@joshuagolden26 oh, sorry I got the impression from the video owonekko was being transphobic, sorry. I'm have a hard times understanding stuff sometimes. I'll edit my comment to correct my statement

    • @TwiDashFTW
      @TwiDashFTW 4 месяца назад +9

      @@Dave_the_person While I do not think she is transphobic, Nekko did misgender the commenter that she called out multiple times despite being corrected. Whether that is transphobic or not is a bit of a gray area since we don't know her intentions or headspace, but many trans people do believe that it was transphobic. I myself am not so sure. since I think it could just be stubbornness.

    • @goblinguy3103
      @goblinguy3103 4 месяца назад +1

      @@joshuagolden26having a trans character doesn’t mean they aren’t transphobic (just like having a poc character doesn’t make someone not racist). They probably aren’t PURPOSELY transphobic, but saying “pronouns aren’t apart of my life” and saying it’s a twitter thing is transphobic. Not checking is transphobic. Those are transphobic actions

  • @yaB0i_Hawkx
    @yaB0i_Hawkx 4 месяца назад +89

    I don't necessarily hate her take on AI, since it's definitely her opinion and I do agree with the stance, that AI wont go away and will always be apart of us, so best to use it as a tool to help you (I just hate how AI is trained, since its based on stealing and non consensual use of artist work, this is a reason why i will never use AI art).
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and we all can agree to disagree, but I draw the line at "refusing the arguments of the other side and actively insulting everyone who gives constructive criticism". Like i understand if you cant handle the criticism, but you can choose to have your opinion and just leave the argument. The way she handles it makes her look so immature. I'm just disappointed that she would act like that, bc I actually really like her as an artist. But choosing to insult people and also become an ass (like choosing to misgendering someone, bc they disagree with you) is just not right :(

    • @Colourmechoco
      @Colourmechoco 4 месяца назад +4

      AI is trained like humans are lol, we look at other artist and take what we like and scrap what we hate. Also the user usually likes a persons art style and aims to replicate it. I personally don't like when people who claim they made it because they input something lol

    • @Felix-jo7nj
      @Felix-jo7nj 4 месяца назад +41

      ⁠@@ColourmechocoAi is NOT trained like humans, a machine does not learn or get inspired in the way humans do. it has 1:1 stolen styles, to the point there are art gens made off of the art of xyz artist so people can generate art in their specific style. it's gotten to the point artists whom have had their art trained into AI get accused of using AI when they never had, and are as a result losing potential clientele or fans. a human vs a machine is not comparable at all in the way we process things.

  • @Softlydemonic
    @Softlydemonic 4 месяца назад +25

    Nah man owoneko showing her true colors very toxic behavior

  • @elcatrinc1996
    @elcatrinc1996 4 месяца назад +5

    AI defenders not victimizing themselves challenge, 10000% impossible!

  • @c0smic_
    @c0smic_ 4 месяца назад +8

    "i was being mature!!!" says the same person who drew herself SHITTING on people

  • @2luv.ingdrawings
    @2luv.ingdrawings 3 месяца назад +4

    she’s so annoying to me now and I hate that because I used to enjoy her and her content a lot

  • @StarTheThing
    @StarTheThing 4 месяца назад +11

    Nekko keeps saying people need to come up with their own opinions but when people don’t come up with her opinion she freaks out

  • @honey9060
    @honey9060 4 месяца назад +13

    I never liked her, she always was odd to me

    • @Nyxx0010
      @Nyxx0010 4 месяца назад +9

      Rightt I always had a weird feeling about her

  • @ghoth1ckal
    @ghoth1ckal 4 месяца назад +14

    My question is if neko got a comment saying she has a char ai bot made of her would her opinion change? If all ai usage is valuable then she shouldn’t argue having a bot made of her and used for inmoral reasons would be wrong . She would infact be a hypocrite because writing or poetry is a form of art

  • @mysticmoth1111
    @mysticmoth1111 3 месяца назад +2

    Her "doodles" compared to her "final work" coupled with her defence of AI is giving me thoughts.
    Not making accusations, just having thoughts.

  • @Edgar-the-vampire
    @Edgar-the-vampire 4 месяца назад +9

    Honestly I'm so surprised that this is even happening. OwOnekko just didn't seem like the person to do stuff like this. I really looked up to them so this whole situation is pretty upsetting.

    • @Quailbbu
      @Quailbbu 4 месяца назад +2

      She kinda did

  • @Man-wolf-
    @Man-wolf- 4 месяца назад +19

    The issue with her “theres nothing wrong with using it in a good way!!” Argument is AI relies on esssintly stealing artwork to create the prompt
    Its the equivalent of saying “um avtually u cant be angy at me tracing your art and posting on social media with no credit cus im doing it in good way!! Im being authentic!!”
    No one is gonna defend ppl whom just trace art n let them do what they want cus “uh its just who they are their being their authentic self” cus their not they simply arent-same applies to AI
    you csnmot be “authentic” when you rely on a robot stealing art

  • @Hopelessdigus
    @Hopelessdigus 4 месяца назад +3

    I hate how much she talks about having choice, as if the original artists had the choice to get their art fed into a generator :/

  • @imjustafangirl6468
    @imjustafangirl6468 4 месяца назад +3

    I wasn't expecting this to escalate so quickly

  • @pasteldemon_
    @pasteldemon_ 4 месяца назад +16

    06:53 I kind of disagree with this specific part, as someone who has worked in AI-heavy projects.
    the way that most image generator AIs are trained is feeding multiple pieces of already existing art, and the AI is made to analyze the pixels and average them via hex codes, group them into separate parts of what the ai assumes is parts of the artwork (linework, rendering, etc...) and then replicate them from the average placements of the specific hex coded pixels it has gathered from it's training, this is why overlaying confusing patterns, adding noise, using glaze, etc... confuse the AI because the hex codes and values of each pixel is now different and it cant generate a proper average of the parts of the artwork.
    essentially, most image generation AI does, in some sort of way, collage the pixels of artworks together to create a new one. however I am sure that certain models might also overlay given artworks, take the parts that match up the most via values of the pixels and then clean it up.
    the reason why most AI generated images barely use the same color for an image is because it works on a pixel basis, not the whole image as we see it, after all for AIs, everything is made up of numbers and codes, it cannot actually see what the image is. of course this is my knowledge of most AIs that are consumer-grade, I'm not too sure about commercial-grade services like the products of OpenAI.

  • @jalextheinktoon
    @jalextheinktoon 4 месяца назад +6

    20:41 Look, I had already pretty much lost respect for Nondi before seeing this video, but seeing that picture in its (almost) entirety is the final nail in the coffin for me.

  • @ashers.hangout
    @ashers.hangout 4 месяца назад +3

    I just noticed with the Jouusta live stream thumb nail is that Nandi used the text bubble to cover how Jouusta draw Nandi, which was very normal. I think that really shows her personality.

  • @Anjirine1
    @Anjirine1 4 месяца назад +30

    She got the ai reddit bros on her side 🤣

    • @Ruthl3ss_c0rpze
      @Ruthl3ss_c0rpze 4 месяца назад

      Omg ur pfp is nostalgic

    • @Ruthl3ss_c0rpze
      @Ruthl3ss_c0rpze 4 месяца назад

      Dat animation is so magical! ^v^

    • @Ruthl3ss_c0rpze
      @Ruthl3ss_c0rpze 4 месяца назад

      Can't remember da name tho T^T

    • @upsidedownworld8184
      @upsidedownworld8184 4 месяца назад

      Its darken by zutomayo ​@@Ruthl3ss_c0rpze

    • @beomkaslana
      @beomkaslana 4 месяца назад

      The op's pfp is from the song mv Darken by Zuttomayo!

  • @Alkim_gercek
    @Alkim_gercek 3 месяца назад +2

    btw Nondi actually revealed the anonymous creator in her latest shitshow of a video (in the doc in the description)

  • @stfuyoupenis
    @stfuyoupenis 3 месяца назад +2

    It's so weird that she's trying to make it seem like she's "sticking it up to the man" by saying people shouldn't rely on larger creators' opinions to determine their own. And yet here she is pissed off, that her fans have their own opinions and don't agree with hers. She's allowed to have her opinion, and her fans and people who disagree with her are allowed theirs. It's not right, especially since she's actually devolving the argument to immaturity and making fun of people who disagree, in which some are still her FANS. They just want to see her own up and be better. It's really awful, and the fact that her partner said she was being CIVIL??? I get supporting your lover, but what she's doing isn't right. And at this point, the misgendering is the SMALLEST issue out of the rest of the things shes doing because she keeps digging a deeper hole for herself since shes too stubborn to apologize for anything. She doesnt even need to change her opinion!!! She just needs to tell people shes sorry for not respecting others opinions but that she still feels the same way about hers. Its not that hard. Either way shes going to receive hate and criticism. Shes showing how she cannot handle that and thats whats turning off people from watching her anymore. At this point theres no going back for her. Especially when everyone criticising her has been polite and respectful. Since she's just spreading a bad message to accept AI or just give up. (Which is ironic because she got mad at a respectful comment and twisted it into saying that the creator was spreading a bad message themselves.)

    • @stfuyoupenis
      @stfuyoupenis 3 месяца назад

      And yes, i understand there are shitty people out there giving her bigoted hate, and that's not right either :( I'm not talking about them because they are just hating to hate, not to give genuine criticism. Or trying to say something that contributes to the actual discussion.

  • @Aquamar1n3_
    @Aquamar1n3_ 3 месяца назад +2

    ai to me is a very grey line, I'm fine with people doing it for like shit n giggles or to get inspo for like say a background and stuff. but using it for profit (ie commissions or claiming) is what i hate the most cause it ruins art as a whole to other artists. Its definitely given me a hard time recently to do something im so passionate about because of what happened to myself not that long ago.

  • @taigatanfan_
    @taigatanfan_ 4 месяца назад +6

    One thing you definitely learned about all of this. Is that OWOnekko cannot take a single piece of valid criticism without being so triggered they go on huge rants screaming that everyone are harassing them, bullying them and accuse them of being outright racist. Like what the hell. Newsflash nekko, YOU ARE THE BULLY! You are the one harassing everyone. Oh my god.

  • @whatteamwildcats4033
    @whatteamwildcats4033 3 месяца назад +1

    Its like she doesnt know how to walk away from the mess she's made.

  • @Reese.on.Cococrumbs
    @Reese.on.Cococrumbs 2 месяца назад +1

    I'm very late to this but I just got to OWONekko's thumbnail part and went to search for it, the "How to Lose an Audience's Trust" was not in the title of Jo's Video, furthermore in the description of the video it did say it was abit clickbaity. Overall, watched it to the end and Jo didn't say anything disrespectful or any rumours about Nekko. I feel sad for Jo. :

  • @gothnerd887
    @gothnerd887 3 месяца назад +1

    I like your moon headband.🌙

  • @terrantitanium6441
    @terrantitanium6441 4 месяца назад +2

    I'm just glad that she does seem to be taking a break from everything for now. I really hope she overcomes this and improves as a person

    • @joshuagolden26
      @joshuagolden26 4 месяца назад

      Why are we pretending shes in the wrong when she has literally been facing hate for the past few days and while trying to be discreet this girl outed herself by posting owoNekko titling it “how to lose your viewers trust” this girl has been shading owonekko for day but this video is so unorganized it looks quite the opposite

  • @mm_mela4816
    @mm_mela4816 4 месяца назад +5

    The commenter that mentions what she was saying in her deleted live??? Concept artists aren't important, ethics don't matter, and misgendering others is ok because they are a bad person. What the hell, she lost the plot.

  • @illusiveaxeman9164
    @illusiveaxeman9164 3 месяца назад +1

    I think the idea of AI "stitching works together" like a collage is just someone taking a metaphor explanation of how generative AI works (I think comparing it to a blender is more accurate) and assuming it's a literal explanation of how it works.

  • @lovelandfrog5692
    @lovelandfrog5692 4 месяца назад +5

    I stopped taking her seriously when she pulled the race card. Like, come on. That’s pathetic.

  • @Ninapea
    @Ninapea 4 месяца назад +7

    0:32 lol off topic, but same for me with Hazbin Hotel.😭
    I know it has flaws, but I don't care, it doesn't have to be perfect. It's one of my comfort shows and it brings me joy.

    • @lolaholliday
      @lolaholliday  4 месяца назад +3

      The best comfort shows ARE flawed tbh 😌

    • @Ninapea
      @Ninapea 4 месяца назад

      @@lolaholliday Nothing in this world is perfect, that is what makes life more interesting.😊✨

    • @Mushd3s
      @Mushd3s 4 месяца назад +1

      Tbh when it comes to steven universe, it does have a lot of flaws and criticizing it is completely valid. But a lot of ppl tend to exaggerate how "awful" it is bc of bad faith video essays without actually watching it

    • @lolaholliday
      @lolaholliday  4 месяца назад +2

      @Mushd3s very true as well. And some people hate it just because they think it's 'woke' or whatever 🥲 The pacing of that show would be my biggest criticism but I love the music and characters and ideas and it's a massive comfort show for me

    • @Ninapea
      @Ninapea 4 месяца назад

      @@lolaholliday I also agree with the pacing being a little off, but overall, it's a good show. Both Hazbin and Steven Universe are amazing shows created by talented people.❣️

  • @m00nbeams42
    @m00nbeams42 4 месяца назад +863

    steven universe fan in controversy about misgendering is wild

    • @SodaFrizz666
      @SodaFrizz666 4 месяца назад +102

      It makes me wonder if she even watched the show, or interacted with any part of the fan base

    • @Silvergrove41
      @Silvergrove41 4 месяца назад +81

      @@SodaFrizz666I think it’s likely she watched the show a bit at least, since she did redesigns for the fusions and knew about their characters a bit

    • @Viyan51
      @Viyan51 3 месяца назад +9

      ​@@SodaFrizz666The fandom was already problematic the creator Rebecca sugar even stated that she was weird out by the biphobia from the community

    • @TheSapphireLeo
      @TheSapphireLeo 3 месяца назад

      Also avoid black vernaculars, when not slang and disliked when non-black people use it and even mess it up?

  • @redwood34
    @redwood34 3 месяца назад +3

    14:42 Hold on. Hold on. Okay so I'm trans and her comment of "I didn't name them so its not transphobia" is absolutely absurd. Because you know who misgendering affects? The person being misgendered. You know who knows tehy're being misgendered? That same person. If someone misgendered me it wouldn't matter how my sister felt or my mom or my partner or a stranger felt, what matters is how *I* would feel. And if it felt like what they did was anywhere between dismissive and hateful then I'd consider what they did to be transphobic. Because realistically the worst part of what she's doing by misgendering the other creator is making him feel bad, ADDITIONALLY any other trans person or someone who uses alternative pronouns that don't match the pronouns they used to use is also gonna feel like shit! That, to me, is transphobic! And not questioning "hey should I not have done that" but instead doubling down and going "lol no that wasnt transphobic youre being stupid" IS BAD. That's past the point of being purposefully hurtful and is entering gaslighting territory. Its giving "If they didn't hear me call them a derogatory word then I'm not hurting anyone!" which we all understand is still bad.

  • @charlydance1777
    @charlydance1777 4 месяца назад +6

    It doesn't stitch other people's art together, it STEALS ARTSTYLES. the way people assume AI steals is wrong, there's some artstyles that are obviously STOLEN by ai.