Holy you got wide hands brother, I'm like 7.25 inch x 3.75 inch hand size using OP18K. It's such a good mouse I literally haven't used any other mouse out of the 30+ mice in my collection.
I love how you're on of the only reviewers who addressed the heaviness of all the buttons. I returned mine for a click actuation issue and got another Viper v3 pro, but feel myself missing the op1 8k...
I agree with you 100% that wired mice feel better than wireless. I have a theory that while wireless motion and click latency is negligible, there may be a simple accuracy difference between wired and wireless by just a couple pixels or something. A couple pixels is basically nothing when flicking long distances, but it can be a huge difference in micro adjustments, which is my main difficulty with wireless mice. I’ve been using the usb-c cable that comes with the Xlite V3’s to use every mouse wired. It’s lightweight enough to make up for any lack of flexibility, and can support up to 8K wired on mice that support it.
@@RUclipsrpromedio98 can’t say for sure because I haven’t seen anyone test frame to frame if the motion accuracy between two mice is the same. I’m sure they can do it, but everybody is focused on latency. And higher polling rates on wireless mice feel like ass to me. It’s like the inaccuracy of 8K is like 8X. But then I use the op1 8k or the Xlite V3 eS and there’s no noticeable difference. I don’t know when it’ll happen, but at some point there will be some true 100% accuracy wireless tech and then everyone is going to become god tier aimers.
Hey, man! Your review of the dav3 convinced me to buy one, and it's been my fav mouse since. I have the Ninjutso sora, and I know I really like that shape. I also prefer wired mice in general because I know that with a good bungee you'll never notice the wire, and batteries eventually fail. I may have to give this mouse a try next.
If you liked the DAV3 and can use a smaller symm shape absolutely try the OP1 8K, its the only mouse I've used that beats the DAV3 in terms of performance! EGG also have some new mice coming soon that'll have the same performance tech as the OP1 8K but in a lager shell so keep an eye out for that!
I use this mouse with my fingertip grip. That 118 mm is short enough for my hands where my hand isn't resting on it's hump, and it's low hump is enough where my palm isn't resting on it. It's great.
I just bought this mouse today. Waiting on delivery. I bought it mainly for repair ease in case a switch dies. I shud have done more research i guess. I dont claw grip and neither does my son. I hope i dont regret the purchase. And i hope my son doesnt cry its too small. Wish me luck
The OP1 8k was literally my knight in shining armor because my previous favourite mouse and shape was the X2V2 mini and it's so similar to it. The two things I didn't enjoy about that mouse was that 4k was not worth using because of the battery so 8k wired fixed that. The other was how optical switches just feel noticeably worse than mechanical ones, on any mouse I've tried and the OP1 uses mechanicals and you can just put in whatever switches you want. I installed a light weight base mod as well, made it even nicer. I still use my X2V2 mini when playing on cloth pads when I get bored. I highly recommend this mouse to anyone who also loves the X2V2 mini shape.
This is my favorite mouse, but palm grip is super uncomfortable for me after long periods. 17 cm hands here Basically have to use my DAV3 for action rpgs and tracking training.
It is so nice to see that EGG is joining Vaxee when it comes to perfection of mechanical switches. I tried so many mice with opticals and nothing comes close. I am not into wired mice though and the OP1 is too narrow for me. I hope they finally make the XM2w reality with the same switch tech. Until then or Vaxee further reducing weight I will continue running my NP01.
I picked the OP1 8k over getting the ULX or WLMOUSE and I'm glad I did because the raw performance of this thing is no joke. It's super responsive and I don't have to worry about signal inconsistencies since it's wired. Fantastically balanced in its weight distribution too. 100% recommend this mouse over the more flashy wireless mice you see out on the market. I'm also glad you reviewed it, because you're very articulate in your reviews and I trust your input for these things. Keep up the good work!
I got a regular OP1 recently, and I wanted to ask if your copy has scroll wheel noise at a certain point of the wheel when you scroll? It sounds like a hollow knocking sort of sound that's much louder than the rest of the "normal" scroll wheel noise. It's kind of annoying, but can't really find anyone else talking about this even on their Discord, so I assume it's a faulty copy, but I also can't really find sound tests on RUclips to confirm if this is normal or not. Does your copy have something like this, or does the scroll wheel sound the same across its entire rotation?
What an incredible video review as always, and what an incredible looking mouse! Good to hear that Endgame Gear has definitely created something worthy of that name.
I prefer wired because wireless is meaningless when I'm stuck on a freaking mousepad and why the hale bother with a battery while doubling the cost? I've been wanting to replace my ul2 capetown for a while now but have been so overwhelmed with the market. I wanted something small like my ul2 cuz I love the shape for my fingertip but I do NOT like the honeycomb because it is beyond annoying to clean. And the polling at 500 has always bothered me, I can feel it, its not bad but its there. I think this mouse here, just a milimeter or two larger by dimension, is just the baby I've been waiting for. From a legendary company too. Hotswap. This has to be the one. Appreciate the review man.
I'm having a goddamn epiphany here. You said you had 7.5 inch hands and how the mouse would fit, so I went and measured my hands and my freaking long ass fingers give me 7 inch hands. No wonder I always liked "bigger" mice.
Good choice! If you want a little more flexibility with the bungee I'd highly recommend getting the Pulsar eS bungee! It's in my opinion the best bungee on the market and it's amazing for wired mice like the DAV3 & OP1 8K!
@@mel0nFPS wow I just saw it and I think I ll cancel my order cause I was searching for something that attaches on the monitor and that seems AMAZING. Thank you so much my man 🙏🏻
@@JimKll No problem at all! When you get the OP1 8k be sure to update the firmware via EGG's discord to take full advantage of the special GX switches and their speed-modes!
@@mel0nFPS Bro I saw a review of the bungee. I am buying it. I didnt want any extra stuff on my desk anyways. You are the best. Thanks for all the tips! I am subbing! 🙌🏻
@@mel0nFPS At my 45CM/360 I need enough slack that I can still feel the cable drag around. Especially with blink 180s as Tracer with lighter or smaller mice. I find that a mouse bungee ends up making it worse than without, as it puts the cables slack between the bungee and the mouse. So if I quickly drag the mouse from the bottom of the pad to the top. The mouse will bump into the cable. Sometimes causing the cable to go over the mouse and my hand, or even under my mouse if I lift it. My favorite mouse wire I used was one I made from an ethernet cable. Since it was super light but still stiff. So if I move my mouse quickly up the pad the wire would move with it staying out of the path of my mouse.
I was testing their newer firmware while I was reviewing the unit, there isn't a huge difference between the two versions just some small tweaks. They should be releasing the 1.15 software soon If I'm not mistaken!
There is a lot of debates about motion sync and it effectiveness. Personally I've been using it for a while and while it doesn't make a noticeable difference it's better than nothing if that makes sense. Totally up to personal preference whether to use it or not.
Great question! because mouse shapes are so subjective due to different grip styles and hand sizes I wouldn't be accurate for me to rate a mouse out of 1-10 as my grip style won't be the same as 99.9% of my audience. From a technical standpoint I could rate things 1-10 but there's also some variance there too. That's why I just say what's good and bad about a mouse, mousepad or grip tape etc as it's the most accurate way of covering a product.
There really isn't a "best" mouse for a specific game, only what mouse fits your hands best. For me while the OP1 8K is the best preforming mouse of the year, I don't personally use it as its too small for my hands.
@@mel0nFPS obviously besides the fits,,,,build quality, durability, double click issues, accuracy, responsiveness,,,etc , you know better what more... that's was the question...thnx for the reply
I gotta ask, do you actually sense the tracking difference between a 4K or even a 2k wireless mouse and the Op1 8k? I saw you on hit scan DPS on OW, would you honestly know the sensor diff on a blind test?
So I don't really feel a difference in tracking per say but I can tell when it comes to flicking/static aiming as on 2 & 4k my flicking performance is significantly more accurate & consistent than it is on 1k. I know it sounds kinda crazy but it's a pattern I've noticed on high polling rate mice over my testing with different units & implementations.
@@mel0nFPS sorta saying you can tell it arrives at the intended destination at the end of movement faster and that makes you snap click at the end sooner. I think at 40 I don’t perceive that anymore, sad 🤣
@@mel0nFPS I feel the same way about flicking, I even feel the difference between 2k and 4k thought I was going crazy 😂I have yet to try 8k, but my flicks on 4k feel snappier and more accurate/consistent compared to 2k-1k. I'm on the same mouse btw OP1 8K. But from my testing 4k starts to cause fps drop when moving the mouse (in some games, specifically non gpu demanding games where you get very high fps). No noticeable performance drop on 2k.
I have 19.05 x 12.7 inch hands so I'd say anything around a 10-12 x 6 - 8 inches would be OK. But this will HEAVY depend on your hand-shape and physicality so keep that in mind.
Personally speaking, I think OP1 8K is better than the OP1 purely off of performance. Yes, it is wired. But if you just get a Pulsar eS Bungie you can make it feel borderline wireless.
What game is that low poly FPS? Also got my OP18K today, got it next to my Viper V3 Pro to test out polling rate implementations etc and damn... it's nice.
Oh if you select shipping to canada they don't appear in the store that's probably why you didn't see it. But here in europe you can get them from their website
Holy you got wide hands brother, I'm like 7.25 inch x 3.75 inch hand size using OP18K. It's such a good mouse I literally haven't used any other mouse out of the 30+ mice in my collection.
30+ bruh, thats kool
I love how you're on of the only reviewers who addressed the heaviness of all the buttons. I returned mine for a click actuation issue and got another Viper v3 pro, but feel myself missing the op1 8k...
Wow, what an outstanding review! Thanks so much.
I agree with you 100% that wired mice feel better than wireless. I have a theory that while wireless motion and click latency is negligible, there may be a simple accuracy difference between wired and wireless by just a couple pixels or something. A couple pixels is basically nothing when flicking long distances, but it can be a huge difference in micro adjustments, which is my main difficulty with wireless mice. I’ve been using the usb-c cable that comes with the Xlite V3’s to use every mouse wired. It’s lightweight enough to make up for any lack of flexibility, and can support up to 8K wired on mice that support it.
Oh yeah and wired 1khz > 4k/8k wireless
@@FutureCanSnipe Is this really something? Or it can just be placebo
@@RUclipsrpromedio98 can’t say for sure because I haven’t seen anyone test frame to frame if the motion accuracy between two mice is the same. I’m sure they can do it, but everybody is focused on latency. And higher polling rates on wireless mice feel like ass to me. It’s like the inaccuracy of 8K is like 8X. But then I use the op1 8k or the Xlite V3 eS and there’s no noticeable difference. I don’t know when it’ll happen, but at some point there will be some true 100% accuracy wireless tech and then everyone is going to become god tier aimers.
checking out your channel, you have insanely good reviews. Very consistent throughout no matter the product.
Tysm!
Hey, man! Your review of the dav3 convinced me to buy one, and it's been my fav mouse since. I have the Ninjutso sora, and I know I really like that shape. I also prefer wired mice in general because I know that with a good bungee you'll never notice the wire, and batteries eventually fail. I may have to give this mouse a try next.
If you liked the DAV3 and can use a smaller symm shape absolutely try the OP1 8K, its the only mouse I've used that beats the DAV3 in terms of performance!
EGG also have some new mice coming soon that'll have the same performance tech as the OP1 8K but in a lager shell so keep an eye out for that!
Honestly love that you added the sheet of the different switches
What do you mean Zowie? This is Endgame Gear
@dfahbqaduhj yeah my fault I thought I was on the zowie one
Nothing can beat this mouse hands down!! i use it over everything. BTW best review period!!
sadly, it wasn't available here😢. i went for the sora v2 instead and i am loving it.
Been using the mouse for a week on 4k hz coming from super light I enjoy it much more will probably get another pair in white
ordered one straight away - thanks for the review
Happy to help, enjoy!
I use this mouse with my fingertip grip. That 118 mm is short enough for my hands where my hand isn't resting on it's hump, and it's low hump is enough where my palm isn't resting on it. It's great.
Really neat and detailed review!
Thanks so much!
I’m with you on wired. I don’t like having to remember to charge my mouse or keyboard.
I just bought this mouse today. Waiting on delivery. I bought it mainly for repair ease in case a switch dies. I shud have done more research i guess. I dont claw grip and neither does my son. I hope i dont regret the purchase. And i hope my son doesnt cry its too small. Wish me luck
Hey man, any update? Im torn between whether to buy it or not.
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The OP1 8k was literally my knight in shining armor because my previous favourite mouse and shape was the X2V2 mini and it's so similar to it. The two things I didn't enjoy about that mouse was that 4k was not worth using because of the battery so 8k wired fixed that. The other was how optical switches just feel noticeably worse than mechanical ones, on any mouse I've tried and the OP1 uses mechanicals and you can just put in whatever switches you want. I installed a light weight base mod as well, made it even nicer. I still use my X2V2 mini when playing on cloth pads when I get bored.
I highly recommend this mouse to anyone who also loves the X2V2 mini shape.
I just got a base mod for mine too, makes the mouse even better than it already was!
@@mel0nFPS Really nice man, loving it as well. :D
This is my favorite mouse, but palm grip is super uncomfortable for me after long periods. 17 cm hands here
Basically have to use my DAV3 for action rpgs and tracking training.
I'm in the same boat here, love the mouse but its just too small, wish they were a larger version.
It is so nice to see that EGG is joining Vaxee when it comes to perfection of mechanical switches. I tried so many mice with opticals and nothing comes close. I am not into wired mice though and the OP1 is too narrow for me. I hope they finally make the XM2w reality with the same switch tech. Until then or Vaxee further reducing weight I will continue running my NP01.
Hopefully we'll see the XM2w in 2024 😅
You are way better than boardzy , very nice.video man
I picked the OP1 8k over getting the ULX or WLMOUSE and I'm glad I did because the raw performance of this thing is no joke. It's super responsive and I don't have to worry about signal inconsistencies since it's wired. Fantastically balanced in its weight distribution too. 100% recommend this mouse over the more flashy wireless mice you see out on the market. I'm also glad you reviewed it, because you're very articulate in your reviews and I trust your input for these things. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for the kind words! The OP1 8k is truly a special mouse! I can't wait to see what they cook up next!
But Melon why is it called the OP 18k if it can't do 18k polling?
Endgame gear on fraud watch? 🤔
the name of the mouse is OP1. Then it has 8k polling, looks like 18k, but has 8k. OP1 8k.
@@Krigariobut the mouse is called O and then polling18k
I got a regular OP1 recently, and I wanted to ask if your copy has scroll wheel noise at a certain point of the wheel when you scroll? It sounds like a hollow knocking sort of sound that's much louder than the rest of the "normal" scroll wheel noise. It's kind of annoying, but can't really find anyone else talking about this even on their Discord, so I assume it's a faulty copy, but I also can't really find sound tests on RUclips to confirm if this is normal or not. Does your copy have something like this, or does the scroll wheel sound the same across its entire rotation?
Hey! That sounds like a bad encoder to me, my wheel doesn't have that issue at all. I'd RMA it.
What an incredible video review as always, and what an incredible looking mouse! Good to hear that Endgame Gear has definitely created something worthy of that name.
Now all they have to do is make an ergo 👀
@@mel0nFPS 🥲
@@mel0nFPSalready on it. Will be a good while though until it's released.
@@lepari9986 😍😍😍
I prefer wired because wireless is meaningless when I'm stuck on a freaking mousepad and why the hale bother with a battery while doubling the cost? I've been wanting to replace my ul2 capetown for a while now but have been so overwhelmed with the market. I wanted something small like my ul2 cuz I love the shape for my fingertip but I do NOT like the honeycomb because it is beyond annoying to clean. And the polling at 500 has always bothered me, I can feel it, its not bad but its there.
I think this mouse here, just a milimeter or two larger by dimension, is just the baby I've been waiting for. From a legendary company too. Hotswap. This has to be the one.
Appreciate the review man.
Glad the review was helpful!
I might pick this up. Need it for my next play through of Half-Life. Need the best tech for that one.
the only mouse i saw having on paper specs as good as this mouse is the viper v3 pro but its 100dollars more expensive
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I'm having a goddamn epiphany here. You said you had 7.5 inch hands and how the mouse would fit, so I went and measured my hands and my freaking long ass fingers give me 7 inch hands. No wonder I always liked "bigger" mice.
Was about to buy the Razer Viper V3 Pro mouse and then I found this. Ended up buying OP1 8k with the Razer Mouse Bungee V3 😎😊
Good choice! If you want a little more flexibility with the bungee I'd highly recommend getting the Pulsar eS bungee! It's in my opinion the best bungee on the market and it's amazing for wired mice like the DAV3 & OP1 8K!
@@mel0nFPS Thanks, I ll check it out!
@@mel0nFPS wow I just saw it and I think I ll cancel my order cause I was searching for something that attaches on the monitor and that seems AMAZING. Thank you so much my man 🙏🏻
@@JimKll No problem at all! When you get the OP1 8k be sure to update the firmware via EGG's discord to take full advantage of the special GX switches and their speed-modes!
@@mel0nFPS Bro I saw a review of the bungee. I am buying it. I didnt want any extra stuff on my desk anyways. You are the best. Thanks for all the tips! I am subbing! 🙌🏻
i have 8.3 inch x 4.4 inch hands and i wanna buy this mouse so badly but its gonna be to small for my hands :(
XM2 8k has been leaked
What polling rate do you use it with playing on Valorant?? Doesn't it stuuter on 8k?
I have an older PC so I mainly used 2 and 4k polling, 8K works but I get random frame-drops.
@@mel0nFPS Do you have motion sync on or off?? Idk which one is better for fps games like valorant sorry
@@equiknox_ Optional feature, I leave it on for most of my mice, better to leave it on in my opinion, no real downside to having it enabled
Eh, After using wireless.
The wire on wired mice feels like ass to me. (Not in a good way :p)
Been switching back and forth between the lamzu maya and this. Can’t even feel the cable
Using a good bungee is a big part of using wired mice, I used the Pulsar eS bungee and it felt "wireless" but it'll vary from personal preference etc.
@@mel0nFPS At my 45CM/360 I need enough slack that I can still feel the cable drag around.
Especially with blink 180s as Tracer with lighter or smaller mice.
I find that a mouse bungee ends up making it worse than without, as it puts the cables slack between the bungee and the mouse.
So if I quickly drag the mouse from the bottom of the pad to the top. The mouse will bump into the cable. Sometimes causing the cable to go over the mouse and my hand, or even under my mouse if I lift it.
My favorite mouse wire I used was one I made from an ethernet cable. Since it was super light but still stiff.
So if I move my mouse quickly up the pad the wire would move with it staying out of the path of my mouse.
Between op1 8k and the x2v2 mini wich one do you choose atm? Ty for the video ❤
OP1 8K by a mile. It's the best performing mouse of the year so far, the X2V2 while being good isn't even close in terms of performance.
@@mel0nFPS what abt sora v2
I got an OP1 8K recently, i wonder how you have firmware 1.15 already when only 1.09 is available on their website?
I was testing their newer firmware while I was reviewing the unit, there isn't a huge difference between the two versions just some small tweaks. They should be releasing the 1.15 software soon If I'm not mistaken!
i hate you! you just made me order one against my will 😂❤
How is motion sync and do you use it, and your thought about it?
There is a lot of debates about motion sync and it effectiveness. Personally I've been using it for a while and while it doesn't make a noticeable difference it's better than nothing if that makes sense. Totally up to personal preference whether to use it or not.
@@mel0nFPS 1:13 What game is it? And very informative review, thanks man.
@@manuelortega5035 Bad Business on roblox!
Hello me0n
Why don’t you rate the products that you are viewing? Like give them your score from 1 through 10 .
Great question! because mouse shapes are so subjective due to different grip styles and hand sizes I wouldn't be accurate for me to rate a mouse out of 1-10 as my grip style won't be the same as 99.9% of my audience. From a technical standpoint I could rate things 1-10 but there's also some variance there too.
That's why I just say what's good and bad about a mouse, mousepad or grip tape etc as it's the most accurate way of covering a product.
@@mel0nFPS fair enough
Is this best mouse for CS2?? Or..??
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There really isn't a "best" mouse for a specific game, only what mouse fits your hands best. For me while the OP1 8K is the best preforming mouse of the year, I don't personally use it as its too small for my hands.
@@mel0nFPS obviously besides the fits,,,,build quality, durability, double click issues, accuracy, responsiveness,,,etc , you know better what more... that's was the question...thnx for the reply
I gotta ask, do you actually sense the tracking difference between a 4K or even a 2k wireless mouse and the Op1 8k? I saw you on hit scan DPS on OW, would you honestly know the sensor diff on a blind test?
So I don't really feel a difference in tracking per say but I can tell when it comes to flicking/static aiming as on 2 & 4k my flicking performance is significantly more accurate & consistent than it is on 1k.
I know it sounds kinda crazy but it's a pattern I've noticed on high polling rate mice over my testing with different units & implementations.
@@mel0nFPS sorta saying you can tell it arrives at the intended destination at the end of movement faster and that makes you snap click at the end sooner. I think at 40 I don’t perceive that anymore, sad 🤣
@@brunotolomeotti1204 Kinda like that, its hard to put into words other than it feels snappier 😅
@@mel0nFPS I feel the same way about flicking, I even feel the difference between 2k and 4k thought I was going crazy 😂I have yet to try 8k, but my flicks on 4k feel snappier and more accurate/consistent compared to 2k-1k. I'm on the same mouse btw OP1 8K.
But from my testing 4k starts to cause fps drop when moving the mouse (in some games, specifically non gpu demanding games where you get very high fps). No noticeable performance drop on 2k.
How small my hands have to be that I can use palm grip comfortable with this mouse?
I have 19.05 x 12.7 inch hands so I'd say anything around a 10-12 x 6 - 8 inches would be OK. But this will HEAVY depend on your hand-shape and physicality so keep that in mind.
Inches or cm? Also whose hands are only 10cm? 😭 @@mel0nFPS
@@mel0nFPS My hand length is 19cm, wonder if Palm Grip is comfortable there..
OP1 regular vs OP1 8k?
Personally speaking, I think OP1 8K is better than the OP1 purely off of performance. Yes, it is wired. But if you just get a Pulsar eS Bungie you can make it feel borderline wireless.
what is your mousepad of choice for this mouse?
You can use pretty much any pad you want but I'd avoid super soft-pads because the stock skates are so thin.
@@mel0nFPS any idea when raven mori will be back in stock?
nice tracking
How do you bring up the software? I’m new to mouses.
You can download the software from EGG's website! www.endgamegear.com/en-ca/downloads/op1-8k
@@mel0nFPS
Thank you so much
I love everything about this mouse, except the cable :(
Pulsar eS bungee makes the wire a non-issue!
What game is that low poly FPS? Also got my OP18K today, got it next to my Viper V3 Pro to test out polling rate implementations etc and damn... it's nice.
It's called Bad Business, it's on Roblox!
@@mel0nFPS Alright, thanks for the reply!
They do sell replacement cables for this mouse
Oh if you select shipping to canada they don't appear in the store that's probably why you didn't see it. But here in europe you can get them from their website
They do! I found them on EGG's site & on Amazon surprisingly enough!
8k is so useless. But the price is very good. Is there an wireless version of it?
yes but there using some very bad implemented optical switches that are a harder press and only 1k but its at good price to pick up aswell
There is the OP1we with 1k polling but fairly different specs
yeap 8k IS USELESS ur spending 40 bucks more for nothing gg
annoying wired, trashy switches, narrow widths -> skip
L opinion
Imagine crying and not even know what a mouse bungie is .
okay wireless boi, okay