@@johnfairman2464Thanks. It's still an awful name but at least it makes sense now. If/when they do others I guess the names across the range will work.
We have 2 bz4x in our businessfleet. Cost in the Netherlands, 48k. Euro. It is actually a very nice car to drive, range is good as well as charging. This car is far better than the press wants you to believe
I just bought one 😁 For me one of the reasons is the service, Toyota has a lot of shops, Tesla I have to drive 60 km to the dealer, Nissan (that was also a contender) is 70 km away... then there is the interestfree loan, the buyback deal is also nice.. I know it is a bit boring but it suits me just fine..
The BZX4 is comparable to an Atto 3 not a Model Y. Even compared to the Atto it has less luggage space, less head room (but costs $15k more). Common sense would tell anyone to buy the Atto in preference.
Driving for less than a month now and I’m not really happy with the range keeps dropping every week even on full charged . For 3 weeks from 400 something down to 345. We will ring Toyota today for options. We should have wait for the 2027 1000km range. And the dash board so annoying you can’t see the whole screen
As an ex Australian Toyota interior fabric specialist who developed the last seat covering and headliner for the last Camry I also don’t like the darker side headliners used as it just doesn’t provide the look of space which I’m sure you agree based upon your previous videos. I’m also not a fan of the “white/cream” Pleather. Just so difficult to keep clean especially with little one or people wearing new denim on hot days.
Thanks for the context mate - I reckon dark headlining is terrible in most situations because it makes it feel so cave-like, but at least the creamy looking seats add some brightness. I’d love to do a stress test on that light material!
@@therightcar It’s interesting as the synthetic leather out performs natural leather in all of the stress related categories that car seats go through. The standards also keep changing, which makes it more challenging and potentially limits some options as real leather is on the decline and it’s not based upon marketing hype and going “green”. The actual facts are that real leather in totality just doesn’t pass manufacturers specs anymore. One example in particular is the sew ability and burst strength tests. The man made version is just better from a pure testing perspective to set standards. We used to joke about how all car seats will eventually be made out of a blend of carbon fibre and Kevlar and this was back in the late naughties. One tick I will give to Toyota, is from a buyers perspective. As although seats in top BMW’s and Mercedes cost significantly more, they actually fail to pass (even today) the testing requirements to meet the standards set by Toyota. Fact.
70% of available battery after how many years? So peak power will be considerably less as will distance. One of the reasons why I’m sticking with ICE or arguably the best option being Hybrid.
And you are not supposed to drop below 20% or charge above 80% and not use fast charging too often as it destroys the battery. Apart from that all good.
@@therightcarThat's what they claim. But when you find out that for some reason you could never have predicted your EV battery is only good for 50% after 8 years and the warranty has expired none of them are at all willing to help you out financially so you can get a new battery. That becomes your problem, not theirs.
I own a Forester. Make one with a battery that will go 450 to 500km's on a charge with a decent recharge speed. Add a fullsize spare wheel at 18 inches. A usable Frunk and the ability to go power back to the grid and its a winner.
Oh perhaps they could make one like that, except it would cost at least 50% more than the petrol version. Still want one? And I am not sure putting power back into the grid from the battery is a very good idea, for battery longevity.
The cost of EV's in Australia will never let them be a popular choice... something small 1/2 this price for a second car city run around would be great or stick with a practical hybrid system.
Maybe there’ll be some incentives when the new vehicle emissions scheme comes into play that could help improve the buy-in point for consumers. But we will have to wait and see!
@@therightcar hey mate bit like the tail wagging the dog or cart before the horse...if we want to remove as many petrol vehicles off the road as possible just have to do it in a smart logical fashion.
Can someone please tell me. Is this and the subaru, the same car albeit with slightly different cosmetics? Do they run down the same production line? Many journalists have been saying that they share a platform, but I think this is a real stretch. The 86 and brz, are actually the same car, barring some minor cosmetics.
@@YZJB thank you so much. So why do journalists say they 'share a platform'. Haha. Anyway, Subaru is much cheaper, so it would be the one to get. Fyi. The 86 and BRZ are actually both effectively Subarus, being built on the same plant.
@@therightcar If this car attracts those wanting to buy a RAV4, it will just be creating a cannibalisation to the company. The benefit, if any, will just be the incremental net gross profit over selling a RAV4. If its value proposition doesn’t speak clear whether it is aiming for a cost leadership or a differentiation, I don’t see a huge demand for this car.
Rotary dial gear selector..black piano finish centre console..storage space and wire connection under the console..similar size screen..i mean from the angle in your video especially i saw many similarities but could be different in real life 😂
Toyota could have done much better and actually try to build a good EV rather than just build one for the sake of offering an EV in the fleet (cause that’s what it feels like). As for price, not surprised that it’s expensive for what you’re getting. I love Toyota and only own Toyotas but this just isn’t good enough. The damn honest truth. Not a Model Y killer by any means, not much of a competition.
I was surprised at how cramped I felt in the Solterra/BZ4X. At 170-ish cm, I felt shoehorned behind the wheel, with my head too close to the (sun)roof lining, and in order to see the instrument binnacle, I had to have the tiny steering wheel almost in my lap. I'm used to an Outback, and thought the rear seat space was underwhelming, but the Solterra/BZ4X is a smaller car. The consumption on test was also disconcerting given its small battery. Not mentioned in the review is the atrocious range: if I wanted to travel dirt roads whilst in holiday, I'd be making sure I could get back to a charger, and this would limit where I could go dramatically; so too, getting to a location with a good supply of charging options would be critical, and the _need_ for frequent and long stops along the way would be tedious. Everyone seems to be comparing this solely against a Tesla Y, but surely the (excellent, and excellently-priced) Polestar 2 would be considered for many?
Thanks for that feedback - yeah, the driving ergonomics seem like they were designed primarily for the yoke wheel, not the full size. I didn’t see atrocious range. I saw a respectable range considering what I was doing with it on the launch drive. Yep, you could go a Polestar 2 if you’re okay with not having a SUV body and only getting RWD at this kind of money.
@@therightcarthanks for taking the time to respond, Matt. In retrospect, perhaps "atrocious" is a bit OTT, and "insufficient" more appropriate. Your figures indicate around 300km range (AWD), and I just feel that this is very limiting in terms of options for charging and in an area with limited chargers available, the useability of the vehicle.
Offroad chops...on 50 profile tyres that cost over $500 each. Opps did I just touch down on that battery pack? WLTP is trash, take another 20% off real world.
This is not going to sell. I struggle to see the value. When I factor in the purchase cost, insurance costs, lowish fast charging rates, likely very poor resale, and the terrible EV charging infrastructure... my choice is easy... a hybrid or an Ice car.
Acres of piano black in the centre console isn't great, but the overall design is attractive. Software seems to be the nemesis of just about every EV manufacturer bar Tesla. Range doesn't impress me I'm afraid and makes the car far less attractive in my regional setting. No glovebox, why? Back seat space is good, the boot space seems okay but not great in my opinion. I think it's a good/average urban EV/SUV, The lack of a frunk isn't great (in my opinion). The battery is too small to be a serious option for regional travelling. I have a dual motor EV, and I gained extra, not less range as well as considerably more performance. I wonder how committed Toyota is to electric vehicles? The BZ4X is an average/okay EV, but not fantastic in any aspect. I wouldn't take it off road, even if it says it can. Happily there's lots of EV choices nowadays. Some will choose the Toyota perhaps, but my advice would be to look around before committing. Thanks for a good, balanced review.
TBH, with Toyota's reputation, dealer network and a somewhat conventional interior (relative to other EVs), I can see this doing reasonably well. Might force Ford and VW to lower prices on the Mach-E and ID4.
Electric cars, saviours to our planet, debatable, saviours to our wallets and pockets, no way, they are all so overpriced and the cost to charge and the infrastructure is a joke, case in point, people waiting 3 to 4 hours at a charging station on the pacific highway in the heat at Heatherbrae over the Christmas break. my Rav4 hybrid is good enough.
@@therightcar They won't. Not profitable enough for Toyota when you look at the price of the Edge. People won't pay more than that for a small sized Suv. But I could be wrong though, Toyota fans would buy anything Toyota regardless of the price.
I find it amazing you bagged the Kona Premium at 68k but think the Toyota with much less options at 66k is better. Then you think the AWD version is better value. Go figure!!!!
possibly the worst EV on the market. Poor efficiency, awful range, awful charging times Made by toyota to convince its loyal customers that EVs are not worth
I noticed they come with a Li-Ion battery too, not LFP - meaning it shouldn't be regularly charged above 80-90% SOC. Probably not a deal breaker for most, but something to keep in mind.
436 km, price above 70K Panasonic battery (Tesla gave up and using CATL and BYD blade battery) I don't think Toyota can compete with BYD and Tesla in the Australian market. Tesla Panasonic battery in the US can't handle in the cold.
70 thousand if they want these things to become main stream its not going to happen at these prices, its Ok for poeple who have mortages just chuck another 70 big ones on the house loan she'll be right these thing have less moving parts why are they so much more expensive.
Toyota is a terrible EV manufacturer, they keep telling us EV's are not on there future car produce range, so this vehicle will be dropped when sales collapse.
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Checked the price $71,000 to $80,000 from the Toyota web page sorry no deal.
Yes too expensive for what you get.
Did Toyota use a random character generator to come up with that name? Did a cat run across somebody's keyboard?
They asked Elon Musk to come up with something catchy
Actually it’s now commonly called “busy forks”
Get it ?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
BZ = Beyond Zero (as in emissions)
4 - Size Category
X = X-over (or Crossover if you prefer....)
@@johnfairman2464Thanks. It's still an awful name but at least it makes sense now. If/when they do others I guess the names across the range will work.
We have 2 bz4x in our businessfleet. Cost in the Netherlands, 48k. Euro.
It is actually a very nice car to drive, range is good as well as charging. This car is far better than the press wants you to believe
Am I "the press"?
I think it's good. I think I made that clear.
@@therightcar no, in general
2:28 "and maintenance" What maintenance is there for the first 3 years? Tires are covered as a separate statement. So, what? Windshield washer fluid?
Perhaps. Subaru even have a part number for that: SAS1103 @$3.44 /50mL +GST. I'd expect Toyota to have a similar...rort.
I’ve been looking for a solid electric SUV, and the 2024 bZ4X ticks all the boxes. It’s eco-friendly, stylish, and has great driving range. Love it!
This car makes the upcoming Volkswagen ID.4, which is $77k but offers 556km of range, more justified.
Well if you preferre VW rubbish above Toyota reliability 😂😂😂😂
I just bought one 😁 For me one of the reasons is the service, Toyota has a lot of shops, Tesla I have to drive 60 km to the dealer, Nissan (that was also a contender) is 70 km away... then there is the interestfree loan, the buyback deal is also nice.. I know it is a bit boring but it suits me just fine..
No need to justify your decision. It’s yours and yours alone. Well done.
just starting watching, and only realised you're a one man crew...well done. If you're ever in Melbourne and need a helper, let me know.
Thanks so much mate. Appreciate that!!
hope the wheels dont fall off
Isn’t this the one that wheels come off while driving? Hope toyota fix it.
It can only be DC charged twice in a 24 hour period, right?
Yeah - I’ve always got a spare $70 K lying around! And no rear wiper and spare tyre is got to be the kicker 😮
Just go the $500 per week lease lol!
No rear wiper? WTF?
The BZX4 is comparable to an Atto 3 not a Model Y. Even compared to the Atto it has less luggage space, less head room (but costs $15k more). Common sense would tell anyone to buy the Atto in preference.
common sense and a Chinese car don't go together
@@baubonisure, just like my iPhone, hopeless, that’s why I’m proud to be an Aussie, we don’t make anything, just digging😂
So much of the BZX4 is made in China it hardly matters, based on your comment you wouldn't buy either.
@@bauboni
Shocking that the Atto 3 was not even mentioned as a competitor. Poor form.
Remember Atto 3 blade battery and 460 km in range.
Mine comes in April I can’t wait ❤
You just gave away $25,000 for a Toyota badge, I guess you must be super rich?
Driving for less than a month now and I’m not really happy with the range keeps dropping every week even on full charged . For 3 weeks from 400 something down to 345. We will ring Toyota today for options. We should have wait for the 2027 1000km range. And the dash board so annoying you can’t see the whole screen
As an ex Australian Toyota interior fabric specialist who developed the last seat covering and headliner for the last Camry I also don’t like the darker side headliners used as it just doesn’t provide the look of space which I’m sure you agree based upon your previous videos. I’m also not a fan of the “white/cream” Pleather. Just so difficult to keep clean especially with little one or people wearing new denim on hot days.
Thanks for the context mate - I reckon dark headlining is terrible in most situations because it makes it feel so cave-like, but at least the creamy looking seats add some brightness.
I’d love to do a stress test on that light material!
@@therightcar It’s interesting as the synthetic leather out performs natural leather in all of the stress related categories that car seats go through. The standards also keep changing, which makes it more challenging and potentially limits some options as real leather is on the decline and it’s not based upon marketing hype and going “green”. The actual facts are that real leather in totality just doesn’t pass manufacturers specs anymore. One example in particular is the sew ability and burst strength tests. The man made version is just better from a pure testing perspective to set standards. We used to joke about how all car seats will eventually be made out of a blend of carbon fibre and Kevlar and this was back in the late naughties. One tick I will give to Toyota, is from a buyers perspective. As although seats in top BMW’s and Mercedes cost significantly more, they actually fail to pass (even today) the testing requirements to meet the standards set by Toyota. Fact.
70% of available battery after how many years? So peak power will be considerably less as will distance. One of the reasons why I’m sticking with ICE or arguably the best option being Hybrid.
70 percent after 8 years
Although the engineers insist it should be able to do 10 years and 250,000km and still have 90% SOC.
And you are not supposed to drop below 20% or charge above 80% and not use fast charging too often as it destroys the battery. Apart from that all good.
@@foxxster3565 That is a great summary. 😂
@@therightcarThat's what they claim. But when you find out that for some reason you could never have predicted your EV battery is only good for 50% after 8 years and the warranty has expired none of them are at all willing to help you out financially so you can get a new battery. That becomes your problem, not theirs.
I own a Forester. Make one with a battery that will go 450 to 500km's on a charge with a decent recharge speed. Add a fullsize spare wheel at 18 inches. A usable Frunk and the ability to go power back to the grid and its a winner.
Short wish list... :D
Oh perhaps they could make one like that, except it would cost at least 50% more than the petrol version. Still want one? And I am not sure putting power back into the grid from the battery is a very good idea, for battery longevity.
The cost of EV's in Australia will never let them be a popular choice... something small 1/2 this price for a second car city run around would be great or stick with a practical hybrid system.
Maybe there’ll be some incentives when the new vehicle emissions scheme comes into play that could help improve the buy-in point for consumers. But we will have to wait and see!
@@therightcar hey mate bit like the tail wagging the dog or cart before the horse...if we want to remove as many petrol vehicles off the road as possible just have to do it in a smart logical fashion.
Yup and MG or Ora have a car at that price for you now so it’s available. …go and take a look
Howww much😮
Can someone please tell me. Is this and the subaru, the same car albeit with slightly different cosmetics? Do they run down the same production line? Many journalists have been saying that they share a platform, but I think this is a real stretch. The 86 and brz, are actually the same car, barring some minor cosmetics.
They are the exact same car, both built by Toyota in its Motomachi plant
@@YZJB thank you so much. So why do journalists say they 'share a platform'. Haha. Anyway, Subaru is much cheaper, so it would be the one to get. Fyi. The 86 and BRZ are actually both effectively Subarus, being built on the same plant.
I thought Xmode was a subaru thing.
stuck in the middle is when you wanna keep RAV4 competitive but also wanna compete in ev market
It’s a position that is a win-win for the brand though, right?
@@therightcar If this car attracts those wanting to buy a RAV4, it will just be creating a cannibalisation to the company. The benefit, if any, will just be the incremental net gross profit over selling a RAV4. If its value proposition doesn’t speak clear whether it is aiming for a cost leadership or a differentiation, I don’t see a huge demand for this car.
The interior has similarities to the haval h6 hybrid
In that it has some screens, seats and a steering wheel?! Uncanny! Hahah
Rotary dial gear selector..black piano finish centre console..storage space and wire connection under the console..similar size screen..i mean from the angle in your video especially i saw many similarities but could be different in real life 😂
Yeah dark headliners are a no go for me. No spare tyre is a deal breaker. In my opinion it’s a bit half baked. Which is not usually what Toyota does.
I think it’s a “gently, gently” approach. They certainly haven’t gone full-on at the market with this.
NEDC range is also known as Not Even Dam Close.
Toyota could have done much better and actually try to build a good EV rather than just build one for the sake of offering an EV in the fleet (cause that’s what it feels like). As for price, not surprised that it’s expensive for what you’re getting. I love Toyota and only own Toyotas but this just isn’t good enough. The damn honest truth. Not a Model Y killer by any means, not much of a competition.
I was surprised at how cramped I felt in the Solterra/BZ4X. At 170-ish cm, I felt shoehorned behind the wheel, with my head too close to the (sun)roof lining, and in order to see the instrument binnacle, I had to have the tiny steering wheel almost in my lap. I'm used to an Outback, and thought the rear seat space was underwhelming, but the Solterra/BZ4X is a smaller car. The consumption on test was also disconcerting given its small battery. Not mentioned in the review is the atrocious range: if I wanted to travel dirt roads whilst in holiday, I'd be making sure I could get back to a charger, and this would limit where I could go dramatically; so too, getting to a location with a good supply of charging options would be critical, and the _need_ for frequent and long stops along the way would be tedious. Everyone seems to be comparing this solely against a Tesla Y, but surely the (excellent, and excellently-priced) Polestar 2 would be considered for many?
Thanks for that feedback - yeah, the driving ergonomics seem like they were designed primarily for the yoke wheel, not the full size.
I didn’t see atrocious range. I saw a respectable range considering what I was doing with it on the launch drive.
Yep, you could go a Polestar 2 if you’re okay with not having a SUV body and only getting RWD at this kind of money.
@@therightcarthanks for taking the time to respond, Matt. In retrospect, perhaps "atrocious" is a bit OTT, and "insufficient" more appropriate. Your figures indicate around 300km range (AWD), and I just feel that this is very limiting in terms of options for charging and in an area with limited chargers available, the useability of the vehicle.
good review, becoming some options around this market...but NO ELECTRIC WAGON YET!!!!
Offroad chops...on 50 profile tyres that cost over $500 each. Opps did I just touch down on that battery pack?
WLTP is trash, take another 20% off real world.
This is not going to sell. I struggle to see the value. When I factor in the purchase cost, insurance costs, lowish fast charging rates, likely very poor resale, and the terrible EV charging infrastructure... my choice is easy... a hybrid or an Ice car.
Acres of piano black in the centre console isn't great, but the overall design is attractive. Software seems to be the nemesis of just about every EV manufacturer bar Tesla. Range doesn't impress me I'm afraid and makes the car far less attractive in my regional setting. No glovebox, why? Back seat space is good, the boot space seems okay but not great in my opinion. I think it's a good/average urban EV/SUV, The lack of a frunk isn't great (in my opinion). The battery is too small to be a serious option for regional travelling. I have a dual motor EV, and I gained extra, not less range as well as considerably more performance. I wonder how committed Toyota is to electric vehicles? The BZ4X is an average/okay EV, but not fantastic in any aspect. I wouldn't take it off road, even if it says it can. Happily there's lots of EV choices nowadays. Some will choose the Toyota perhaps, but my advice would be to look around before committing. Thanks for a good, balanced review.
Which dual motor ev do you drive?
@@lukemothug a Tesla Model 3 long range.
TBH, with Toyota's reputation, dealer network and a somewhat conventional interior (relative to other EVs), I can see this doing reasonably well. Might force Ford and VW to lower prices on the Mach-E and ID4.
Yep, bingo. Big footprint and better reputation makes for a great potential success story here.
No mention of the popular BYD Atto 3? Undercut the price by a big margin.
Electric cars, saviours to our planet, debatable, saviours to our wallets and pockets, no way, they are all so overpriced and the cost to charge and the infrastructure is a joke, case in point, people waiting 3 to 4 hours at a charging station on the pacific highway in the heat at Heatherbrae over the Christmas break. my Rav4 hybrid is good enough.
$30,000 over priced. They don't really want to sell many of these.
Don’t be ridiculous.
Too expensive for a Toyota grey on grey bland interior 👎
Still waiting for a rav4 prime!!
Aren’t we all! Blows my mind they haven’t offered it yet.
@@therightcar They won't. Not profitable enough for Toyota when you look at the price of the Edge. People won't pay more than that for a small sized Suv. But I could be wrong though, Toyota fans would buy anything Toyota regardless of the price.
I find it amazing you bagged the Kona Premium at 68k but think the Toyota with much less options at 66k is better. Then you think the AWD version is better value. Go figure!!!!
You should be a product planner mate !
possibly the worst EV on the market. Poor efficiency, awful range, awful charging times
Made by toyota to convince its loyal customers that EVs are not worth
I noticed they come with a Li-Ion battery too, not LFP - meaning it shouldn't be regularly charged above 80-90% SOC. Probably not a deal breaker for most, but something to keep in mind.
The 64kwh useable battery is the biggest fail. Crazy calling it 71kwh!
436 km, price above 70K
Panasonic battery (Tesla gave up and using CATL and BYD blade battery)
I don't think Toyota can compete with BYD and Tesla in the Australian market.
Tesla Panasonic battery in the US can't handle in the cold.
Another overpriced EV that nobody wants. Toyota should stick with their strength, i.e., Hybrids which they have perfected 😊
They already are. They just released the Crown which is a hybrid. Nothing wrong with them trying out EVs.
What’s do you mean by no one wants? EVs are increasing sales exponentially year by year
I can't find any reason to buy a hybrid. As electric cars, they suck. As petrol cars, they suck. Worst of both worlds
So much hate for any EV you do. 🤷♂️ will see what everyone is driving in 10-15 years.
Didn't the president say Toyota will never make EVs?
No.
It's a meh for me, not worth it, and what's with all that piano black, what's wrong with car makers
If I knew the answer to that, I’d be happy.
Hard pass.
What have all EVs been priced into the luxury category? Marketing grooming?
BZ4X or RAV4 hybrid + petrol + Bollinger. I would choose the later.
Hahahaa! I like your style.
HOPE YOU CAN ORDER IT WITHOUT THAT HORRIBLE PLASTIC FRONT & BACK BLACK CLADDING
Nope. Its standard.
70 thousand if they want these things to become main stream its not going to happen at these prices, its Ok for poeple who have mortages just chuck another 70 big ones on the house loan she'll be right these thing have less moving parts why are they so much more expensive.
This long and they don’t even have a frunk
Yeah, it’s disappointing! But remember it’s late to Australia. Has been on sale for a while elsewhere.
Too little too late
How did you comment this a day ago when the video was released within the last hour?
Not the review but the car mate
Yeah nah, it’s not good value for money.
What is?
and $10000 for a decent fast home charger
You need to find a better electrician.
THB?
NISSAN LEAF ZE e+ is better EV
Toyota is a terrible EV manufacturer, they keep telling us EV's are not on there future car produce range, so this vehicle will be dropped when sales collapse.
Prefer the Subaru Solterra...
Brand spoiler.
Can't. Stand. Piano. Black.
Haha you’re not alone!
Beautiful EV design and it's a Toyota will work perfectly 👍
Off road Haaaaaa.
Hahaha, nobody stealing weekends with this one
Nice chemtrails, I mean contrails.
Is the answer no? 😂
Too bloody expensive...