We have 2 Bz4x in our businessfleet, alongside Tesla's. The Toyota is nearly as efficiënt, more comfortable and has a far better warranty on batteries..... . It lacks dome range, but not much. The car had some software updates in 23 and 24. Acrually a far better car than the press wants you to believe.....
100% agree. We bought a used 2023 BZ4X at an amazing price. The Limited trim model has all the luxury of our Lexus. I really don't understand the lukewarm reviews...we love ours.
The lack of a glove box wasn't a "miss" it was removed by design Because they included radiant heaters for both driver and passenger While the BZ4X also has an efficient heat pump (that you also didn't mention) these radiant heaters are an innovative feature, and work very well.
The Toyota Playbook: Step 1: spend all the money on lobbying against EVs and for Hydrogen and petrol. Step 2: panic that everyone is starting to buy EVs en masse, make an underperforming EV and price it like it’s market leading for…reasons? Step 3: sell
The AWD model starts at $80,866 drive away, about $25,000 more than is should be, Scratchy plastics, no glovebox, mediocre interior, drivers display looks like something from 1990, average performance for $80K, poor range, Toyota is guaranteed to sell hardly any.
@@Djnosey97 True, but $80K is an awful lot of money for brand loyalty on a lackluster vehicle, let the fanboys buy it, resale value will plummet quicker than a ten ton concrete block, it will be worth nothing in two years, Toyota should just stick to Hybrids, leave the electric vehicles to those who know how to make them.
Have you looked at comparable vehicle price’s lately? Toyota may not have the “perceived” quality of others, but they are certainly leaps ahead in reliability and cost of ownership… and that means fantastic resale value and almost no down time. Think of it like an actual investment… and it makes irrefutable sense. Loan, lease or outright purchase… the cost of ownership, no downtime and resale value are why Toyota are so successful.
@@lukeclifton4392 This may certainly be the case with internal combustion engines, but not with electric vehicles. Toyota does not have battery technology. They use cheap Chinese batteries, so they are not reliable or valuable. Also, because they focused all their energy on hybrids, they did not have electric vehicle technology. For that reason, the BZ4X was immediately recalled and refunded due to a defect in the wheels falling off upon release. Missing wheels mean that Toyota has not completed complete quality testing and design verification through a separate process from the existing internal combustion engine. In addition, the BZ4X is very expensive compared to its quality. This is simply because Toyota does not have a production line dedicated to electric vehicles, so it is expensive despite the cheap materials and quality, not because the product is great. Yes, in the eyes of electric car manufacturers, the BZ4X is nothing but trash. Still, it is more expensive than normal products. This is nothing more than a fraudulent act that deceives customers by taking advantage of the reliability shown by Toyota. People just like you.
Someone works with toyota got $8k staff discount buying brand new toyota CHR & toyota still making few thousand profits on that car .. imagine the price gouging !!.
Drive both and go with the one you prefer. If you like diving into menus to do simple things like adjusting the mirrors, then you might prefer the Model Y. I find that sort of thing offensive, so we went with the Atto 3 and couldn’t be happier.
This car will keep driving forever, Toyota quality cannot be beat. Their first all electric is the 2014 Rav 4 with owners saying still run just as well years later. just placed a deposit for a 2024 bz4x model. Toyota is interested in preservation of battery over quick charge and their testing takes years and years. No other manufacturer is offering 8 years or 100k miles warranty on the battery.
Tesla has been offering 8 year/120k mile warranty on their powertrain for a decade and, according to Toyota's website (and their dealers), the BZ4X only has a 5 year/60k mile powertrain warranty...
@@catbert7 Except Toyota's battery is designed for 10 years with no more than 10% degradation. Not seeing many high-mileage, 2014 Model S's even close to that level of battery life The lack of orange peel paint and panel gaps is always a nice bonus in a Toyota too
"Charges at 150 kw, so will take 2 hours". Does it have a 300 kWh battery? I don't think do. My Volvo XC40 Recharge charges at 150 kW and I've never spent more than 20 minutes at a high speed charger. My charging doesn't slow at all until I get above 80%.
The name more or less means "futuristic RAV4" too! I kinda go back and forth on the styling on this vehicle I think; can't really decide if I like it or not. It definitely looks like a Toyota though.
How is the base model 15k better value than the BYD Atto 3? this price point makes no sense for an NMC battery and a bunch of missing options and less range. Better ride and quicker charging for 15k...that toyota badge needs to be pretty strong to get sales for this poor value car
yesterday Grabbed the last bz4x FWD with a couple added features from the show room. msrp $46,500 but was able to haggle $17k off. OTD $31,600 12K miles at 3 Years for $344 a month and only put $1,000 down. I mean I can door dash or uber this thing...
Hello people..don’t get one..I lease one just 6 months ago and last week my heater went out..and a message saying ..drive start control malfunction..and it hasn’t been fixed yet
It's funny Toyota doesn't think EV is the future. Either they believe there won't be cars and we'll only have public transport or they have a way of making more gasoline from scratch.
Toyota believes that the battery is not yet perfected, so it is researching and developing all solid-state batteries, as well as many alternatives, including hydrogen-based fuel cells (the catalyst, platinum, is expensive), hydrogen-burning engines, ammonia-burning engines, and others. After all, they are rich, so they can spend on development in all areas.
Oh boy .. I cannot believe how many gimmicks that do nothing. Just drive a Tesla for a week . You will never go back. You have to think this is Toyotas only EV maybe try a BYD as well.
Calling this a good EV, or saying there is any comparison to Tesla, is a JOKE! Here's a GENEROUS comparison to the Tesla Model 3 LR RWD: BZ4X (depending on trim) has the same cargo capacity, 111-119 miles less range, 20-30% slower charging, no rear screen, $900 higher average 10-year maintenance/repair cost (by brand), 3-8 fewer speakers, 1-3 fewer subs, 1 fewer amp, general warranty covers 1 year/14k miles less, drivetrain warranty covers 3 years/60k miles less, slower, no FSD, all for $10k HIGHER price... Completely insane 🤣 And if you really need SUV clearance, the comparison to the Model Y is similar, just with way more cargo space and no rear screen and worse audio (since MY hasn't yet been updated).
The one caveat is that here's a HUGE disparity between the buy and lease prices and I can't make sense of it. The lease prices on the Toyota website look great - better than Tesla - but then I look at any of the advertised dealer leases and they're 60-100% higher and say they require $20k down-payment! WtF is this?
Batteries equiped in EVs manufactured in Japan by Toyota, Nissan, and Honda are Panasonic and GS-Yuasa and have yet to cause a single fire accident in Japan. 17th August 2024 Early reports described " Tesla " catching fire, which destroyed over 200 vehicles The fire that broke out early yesterday evening in the car park of a car rental company near Lisbon’s Humberto Delgado airport, destroyed more than 200 vehicles before being extinguished and was being reported in the early stages as having begun in a " Tesla "brand of electric car.
Tesla this, Tesla that, LMAO. Tesla is ugly, cheaply made, and unreliable. I love cars like the bZ4X; they are simple, classy, and reliable. Another one that I like is the Nissan Ariya.
Toyota are smart and they’re right. Give everyone the choice of petrol, diesel, hybrid and electric. Then eventually it will be hydrogen fuel cell cars, but they are years away from mainstream.
@@GDM22 it’s an assumed reliability due to their years of reputation they’ve already developed. They pioneered the hybrid platform. People will assume they’ll nail this. (Spoiler, they won’t)
Yeah, why would people buy a vehicle from a manufacturer that’s known for being extremely reliable lol. Repeat that to yourself and then you can answer your own question.
@@scottman6969 Buying a vehicle is about prioritising the things that are important to you, you clearly prioritise reliability, I don't. Maybe Toyota's are reliable but they are mind bogglingly boring. Their reliability comes from a lack of innovation, sticking to a formula, offering less features, being conservative. No doubt that fits well with your personality, but I prefer something more. Never have I had an issue with reliability for any of my motorbikes or cars, so for me they are well down the list.
If ya took all the heavy metals, oils and gases out of the vehicle manufacturing you would have nothing but a thunder bolt from the sky! No thanks. I’ll go with my V8 diesel guzzling 200 series. Boooyaaaa
We have 2 Bz4x in our businessfleet, alongside Tesla's.
The Toyota is nearly as efficiënt, more comfortable and has a far better warranty on batteries..... . It lacks dome range, but not much. The car had some software updates in 23 and 24. Acrually a far better car than the press wants you to believe.....
100% agree. We bought a used 2023 BZ4X at an amazing price. The Limited trim model has all the luxury of our Lexus. I really don't understand the lukewarm reviews...we love ours.
The lack of a glove box wasn't a "miss" it was removed by design
Because they included radiant heaters for both driver and passenger
While the BZ4X also has an efficient heat pump (that you also didn't mention) these radiant heaters are an innovative feature, and work very well.
The Toyota Playbook:
Step 1: spend all the money on lobbying against EVs and for Hydrogen and petrol.
Step 2: panic that everyone is starting to buy EVs en masse, make an underperforming EV and price it like it’s market leading for…reasons?
Step 3: sell
Facts
Mostly wrong ;-)
The AWD model starts at $80,866 drive away, about $25,000 more than is should be, Scratchy plastics, no glovebox, mediocre interior, drivers display looks like something from 1990, average performance for $80K, poor range, Toyota is guaranteed to sell hardly any.
The problem is it’s a Toyota so people will buy it. Toyota is the Apple of the automotive industry
Too expensive, underdone in specs and performance. Toyota will struggle to sell these. I hope the wheels don’t fall off.
@@Djnosey97 True, but $80K is an awful lot of money for brand loyalty on a lackluster vehicle, let the fanboys buy it, resale value will plummet quicker than a ten ton concrete block, it will be worth nothing in two years, Toyota should just stick to Hybrids, leave the electric vehicles to those who know how to make them.
This Toyota Ev car will be the same in ten years. Other evs from now will be in the junk yard by then or hopefully at best, recycled
@@victoro6331Oh no it won’t
Toyota is like coles and woolworths with these price gouging.
Have you looked at comparable vehicle price’s lately? Toyota may not have the “perceived” quality of others, but they are certainly leaps ahead in reliability and cost of ownership… and that means fantastic resale value and almost no down time.
Think of it like an actual investment… and it makes irrefutable sense. Loan, lease or outright purchase… the cost of ownership, no downtime and resale value are why Toyota are so successful.
@@lukeclifton4392Toyotas are not as reliable as people think. Marketing has brainwashed them.
@@lukeclifton4392
This may certainly be the case with internal combustion engines, but not with electric vehicles.
Toyota does not have battery technology. They use cheap Chinese batteries, so they are not reliable or valuable.
Also, because they focused all their energy on hybrids, they did not have electric vehicle technology.
For that reason, the BZ4X was immediately recalled and refunded due to a defect in the wheels falling off upon release.
Missing wheels mean that Toyota has not completed complete quality testing and design verification through a separate process from the existing internal combustion engine.
In addition, the BZ4X is very expensive compared to its quality. This is simply because Toyota does not have a production line dedicated to electric vehicles, so it is expensive despite the cheap materials and quality, not because the product is great.
Yes, in the eyes of electric car manufacturers, the BZ4X is nothing but trash. Still, it is more expensive than normal products.
This is nothing more than a fraudulent act that deceives customers by taking advantage of the reliability shown by Toyota. People just like you.
ive been in this as a passenger , I like the way it drove, no jerkiness, it rove like a normal car
CarSauce, This video deserves all the love! Liked!
Not Toyota's first EV...that honour goes to the RAV4 in 1996. You're about 28 years behind...
Unfortunately, that model flew under everybody's radar
Someone works with toyota got $8k staff discount buying brand new toyota CHR & toyota still making few thousand profits on that car .. imagine the price gouging !!.
Looking to buy soon, is the Model Y worth the extra money compared to the Atto 3?
Hard one, but with the Tesla charging network it might just be the better choice for now
One differentiator could be how much you want boot space. Model Y has like 800L + 100L frunk. Atto 3 has like.. 450L maybe. That's without seats down.
Drive both and go with the one you prefer. If you like diving into menus to do simple things like adjusting the mirrors, then you might prefer the Model Y. I find that sort of thing offensive, so we went with the Atto 3 and couldn’t be happier.
This car will keep driving forever, Toyota quality cannot be beat. Their first all electric is the 2014 Rav 4 with owners saying still run just as well years later. just placed a deposit for a 2024 bz4x model. Toyota is interested in preservation of battery over quick charge and their testing takes years and years. No other manufacturer is offering 8 years or 100k miles warranty on the battery.
Tesla has been offering 8 year/120k mile warranty on their powertrain for a decade and, according to Toyota's website (and their dealers), the BZ4X only has a 5 year/60k mile powertrain warranty...
@@catbert7 Except Toyota's battery is designed for 10 years with no more than 10% degradation.
Not seeing many high-mileage, 2014 Model S's even close to that level of battery life
The lack of orange peel paint and panel gaps is always a nice bonus in a Toyota too
any chance reviewing the new renault megane e-tech please
Hopefully!
Subaru Brumby spotted in the background at 5:42!
"Charges at 150 kw, so will take 2 hours". Does it have a 300 kWh battery? I don't think do. My Volvo XC40 Recharge charges at 150 kW and I've never spent more than 20 minutes at a high speed charger. My charging doesn't slow at all until I get above 80%.
2 hours ? Nonsense.
I love it. The design definitely sets it apart from the competition and I love driving it too, so getting it in a few months :)
The name more or less means "futuristic RAV4" too! I kinda go back and forth on the styling on this vehicle I think; can't really decide if I like it or not. It definitely looks like a Toyota though.
How is the base model 15k better value than the BYD Atto 3? this price point makes no sense for an NMC battery and a bunch of missing options and less range. Better ride and quicker charging for 15k...that toyota badge needs to be pretty strong to get sales for this poor value car
"Threw a wheel at those critics" and "Solterra Sauce"
A nice ifykyk 👍
yesterday Grabbed the last bz4x FWD with a couple added features from the show room. msrp $46,500 but was able to haggle $17k off. OTD $31,600 12K miles at 3 Years for $344 a month and only put $1,000 down. I mean I can door dash or uber this thing...
Hello people..don’t get one..I lease one just 6 months ago and last week my heater went out..and a message saying ..drive start control malfunction..and it hasn’t been fixed yet
It's not Toyotas first EV, their first EV is a RAV4 with limited production in California with *drumroll* collaboration with Tesla...
Price drop drasticly......my local dealer has XLE with not even 3K miles for $27K..
In Australia, once an E.V. is outside the metro areas, it's clear that their constructors didn't have the drivers in mind.
Ah here we go again with this 😴
Screw the dealers down on price and i think this could be very good .
BZ4X=busy forks
That aint no usb c port
The Australian bugs bunny 🐰
Um...i jsut came back to refresh myself on thus car and um...yoy mentioned the Solterra review coming soon ..but ut never caem🤣
Have you watched the @Autofocus review by Marques of MKHD?
Cheers to Aussie motoring media's favourite power couple! 🍻
And our Sub!
Toyota beats Hyundai in internal combustion engines, but lags far behind in electric vehicles
Nope. Hyundai has many issues with the iccu and service is dismal.
The Tesla model y has a much higher rear seat. You just lied.
What a bargain!!! For 65k Ill stick to driving 2023 Series 3 😎
It's funny Toyota doesn't think EV is the future. Either they believe there won't be cars and we'll only have public transport or they have a way of making more gasoline from scratch.
Toyota believes that the battery is not yet perfected, so it is researching and developing all solid-state batteries, as well as many alternatives, including hydrogen-based fuel cells (the catalyst, platinum, is expensive), hydrogen-burning engines, ammonia-burning engines, and others. After all, they are rich, so they can spend on development in all areas.
Oh boy .. I cannot believe how many gimmicks that do nothing. Just drive a Tesla for a week . You will never go back. You have to think this is Toyotas only EV maybe try a BYD as well.
The build quality of a Tesla is nothing near a bZ4x
Calling this a good EV, or saying there is any comparison to Tesla, is a JOKE! Here's a GENEROUS comparison to the Tesla Model 3 LR RWD: BZ4X (depending on trim) has the same cargo capacity, 111-119 miles less range, 20-30% slower charging, no rear screen, $900 higher average 10-year maintenance/repair cost (by brand), 3-8 fewer speakers, 1-3 fewer subs, 1 fewer amp, general warranty covers 1 year/14k miles less, drivetrain warranty covers 3 years/60k miles less, slower, no FSD, all for $10k HIGHER price... Completely insane 🤣 And if you really need SUV clearance, the comparison to the Model Y is similar, just with way more cargo space and no rear screen and worse audio (since MY hasn't yet been updated).
The one caveat is that here's a HUGE disparity between the buy and lease prices and I can't make sense of it. The lease prices on the Toyota website look great - better than Tesla - but then I look at any of the advertised dealer leases and they're 60-100% higher and say they require $20k down-payment! WtF is this?
Batteries equiped in EVs manufactured in Japan by Toyota, Nissan, and Honda are Panasonic and GS-Yuasa and have yet to cause a single fire accident in Japan.
17th August 2024 Early reports described " Tesla " catching fire, which destroyed over 200 vehicles
The fire that broke out early yesterday evening in the car park of a car rental company near Lisbon’s Humberto Delgado airport, destroyed more than 200 vehicles before being extinguished and was being reported in the early stages as having begun in a " Tesla "brand of electric car.
Tesla this, Tesla that, LMAO. Tesla is ugly, cheaply made, and unreliable. I love cars like the bZ4X; they are simple, classy, and reliable. Another one that I like is the Nissan Ariya.
double the range rofl haha sad for toyota
Yes this Toyota shocked me as well. It's a shocking poor effort from Toyota.
Loosely related to the Subaru Solterra
About as loose as cold metal 😩
And directly related to ugly!
It's a bit overpriced, but I'm still pretty impressed with Toyota's first EV
I would buy tesla over this even its 50k ...
Toyota are smart and they’re right. Give everyone the choice of petrol, diesel, hybrid and electric. Then eventually it will be hydrogen fuel cell cars, but they are years away from mainstream.
Sorry. Agreed with giving people the choice. But it def. won’t be hydrogen. Just educate yourself a little bit and you will understand.
Yeah sorry
Maybe good but too late and too expensive …
It’s a tough battle!
Toyota price their cars so high cause they know the market is still in their favour. People will buy it just cause it’s a Toyota.
What advantage do Toyota have when there is no engine, gearbox etc, there reputation for reliability doesn't apply with EVs they have to re-earn it.
@@GDM22 it’s an assumed reliability due to their years of reputation they’ve already developed.
They pioneered the hybrid platform. People will assume they’ll nail this. (Spoiler, they won’t)
Yeah, why would people buy a vehicle from a manufacturer that’s known for being extremely reliable lol. Repeat that to yourself and then you can answer your own question.
@@scottman6969 Buying a vehicle is about prioritising the things that are important to you, you clearly prioritise reliability, I don't. Maybe Toyota's are reliable but they are mind bogglingly boring. Their reliability comes from a lack of innovation, sticking to a formula, offering less features, being conservative. No doubt that fits well with your personality, but I prefer something more. Never have I had an issue with reliability for any of my motorbikes or cars, so for me they are well down the list.
I got one used. I got the 2023. I wouldnt buy it new.
Congrats! How many minutes does it take to fast charge upto 80%?
Did you get the newest software update for battery charging?
@@ataturk7592 28 minutes or so. I don't know if I have the latest software.
@@ataturk7592 30 min
Toyota = nothing amazing
Chinese = groundbreaking (not what you want to hear)
Beautiful car, i just don't see why you wouldnt just get the tesla, so much more bang for your buck.
Waaaay over priced.
在中国，这辆车被称为工业垃圾
If ya took all the heavy metals, oils and gases out of the vehicle manufacturing you would have nothing but a thunder bolt from the sky!
No thanks.
I’ll go with my V8 diesel guzzling 200 series. Boooyaaaa
I hate electric cars
No one cares
Obviously never driven one.
For this price, I definitely buy tesla, or buy Chinese ev car save 20k
Buy a Lexus instead.