Idk Villain isnt repping much here. Only like KQ/KT/QT for flushes, and all of those might be flop raises a good portion of time. Loses to 2 combos left of AJs, and 6 combos of sets, which also might be raised off good portion of time. Beating 3 combos of QTs that bluff here. I wonder if villain ever gets here with AK/AQ at some frequency and goes all in when checked to or that would likely take a smaller sizing. Like you pointed out though, what other bluffs do they have? They would have to be turning 9x or Jx into a bluff, which you really don't see people do often enough in live poker. Also, the large turn bet really condenses villains range and should fold out everything but strong draws and Jx+. I think fold is probably fine, but I think this had was played really poorly overall, and shows how little hero thinks about playing OOP and is just kinda clicking aggressive buttons without thinking.
I don't think it's a clear fold. The board blocks a lot of the suited cards that the villain could call a three bet with preflop, especially if the villain is somewhat tight. I think there are only 2-5 possible flushes here for the villain (K-10, 10-8, and 8-7 are debatable whether or not the villain calls with those hands preflop). And those hands would probably raise the small flop bet some of the time. I think that K-Q and Q-10 both make sense as bluffs for the villain. If they call the turn bet, they're bluffing the river 100% of the time if they're checked to on a spade (that doesn't give them top pair). It becomes a question of whether or not the villain is playing A-J off suit, and if the villain is betting those hands for value on the river. And how many flushes the villain can actually have. Against a weaker opponent, this is a fold. But the caller's description of this villain gives him a pretty thin value range in my opinion. So I'd be tempted to call if I think he's not calling with K-10 preflop and he's not betting A-J for value on the river.
I wouldn't say a clear fold but based on texture and how the hand played out, esp hero's pot sized turn bet, I think it's fair to say villain expects hero to have a hand real here and is looking for a call, so I could find a fold for sure. I do question folding based on the price we're getting, which I think was over 2-1, and whether or not villain turned his hand into a bluff by using the A as a scare card, which it was cause of flush, even though it helped hero, which I don't think villain was counting on. My question for hero is could villain have played QQ this way, as not everyone insta 4b's QQ, esp in position. Or QJs, which could easily be played the same way by villain and calling the turn bet. He might've been playing defense with TP and evaluating the river, and when checked to with the scare card, thought he had fold equity in shoving as his only chance to win.
@@TheMightyDoon I'm just saying, in a 3b pot, for this sizing on the river, they don't have that many hands that will go for that size. All of their 1p hands likely don't take this sizing, so theyre repping 2p+ or bluffs
I've recent gone back to playing after a LONG break. And having spent the last couple of years criticising people's play on here I now remember how hard this is to do in real time. I understand the theory behind everything, but processing as I play seems impossible right now. I can barely keep track of bet sizing.
I used to have a YT channel (different account) on how to improve your play in a particular PVP video game. One of the points I used to emphasize is that when you're trying to improve, you need to be focused about it. You need to pick one thing - maybe two - and focus on it until it is part of your repertoire. Too often people try to improve their whole game at once, and that'll never be successful. There is too much information to process. Obviously I don't know if that's your problem or not, but I'm betting it is! Good luck!
Interesting one this. Some people saying trivial fold on river… But the As is on the board which always cuts a load of flushes out. And then as Bart points out, loads of the spade draws on the turn and even on the flop are combo draws. KQss, KTss, QTss, T8ss, 87ss are all pretty big draws. I could easily see those getting raised on the flop. And hero’s hand looks a lot like KK/QQ that got the worst river card in the deck so V might be tempted to bluff. But on the other hand rivers are so underbluffed.
I think hero loses quite often & that folding is the safe play. A quality villain can bet anything he arrives with, since he knows her does not have the flush.
If V is a thinking player (as the caller implied), this is a mandatory bluff spot with KJ/QJ with one spade. V now blocks the only logical flush combo hero could have in a 3bet pot (KQss) and is never going to win at showdown with second pair. Still a good laydown
If villain is a good, thinking player, he really shouldnt have any combos though of KJo/QJo in a 3b pot though, so I would heavily discount those options.
Maybe KsJx and QsJx should be turned into bluffs. But are they often enough? It’s also possible he folds a lot of those combos preflop. KJo and QJo aren’t exactly doing great vs a 3 bet range.
@@TheNow_Now this. the only logical bluff combo here is KQo with a spade, and I honestly think the Q of spades might not pull the trigger as much. K of spades definitely has to.
from OOP on this board this is definitely either a check or half pot at minimum and I'm probably leaning check here with a red AK. you unblock all the flush draws and can check call flop at least reasonably well. river is weird because it removes a LOT of flush combos but I think there's very few natural bluffs here and I think V can jam worse than a flush (generally) when H checks as played so even then it's kinda hard to call.
I think the more interesting part is figuring out what opponent is snap calling with on turn. Sets and probably combo draws should be all in although they might not necessarily actually do that. And there are a lot of combo draws. AJ probably has to think about it for a second. AJ should check back river too but people are strange. Assuming opponent doesn't have a strong read on you, the most likely calling hand is probably a combo draw even if it's not technically correct. I think you have to assume he has a flush. I think when opponent doesn't fold the flop this is a good hand to give up.
Not that it necessarily matters at this stakes but the heros range is definitely capped after he pots the turn and ace of spades on the river. He has has like 0 flushes there so capped at small frequencies of AAA or jjj but mainly 1 pair of aces, AJ or over pair that didn't like the ace
Not 3 betting AK is terrible though and if you're not doing that you're likely not even semi-bluffing at all, which will get you eaten alive by half decent players at 2/5+. The takeaway for this hand is that you really should have a robust checking range oop, and AK is 100% just not a triple barrel off in this situation. For example, this spot should be a 50% check on flop, his AK specifically should be a 40% check. On turn, after he gets called, most of his AK becomes a check, and his hand specifically is a 100% check. People are scared to 'check' bc then people will know that they dont have anything good, but that is just because almost all live players are nowhere close to being balanced. Put in some significant volume against decent regs and you'll realize how important it is to have a very strong checking range/strategy oop, esp in 3b pots.
Why would it be better to instead play a pot out of position against a villain with a virtually uncapped range (and probably a third player comes in, too)? Sure, the pot is smaller, but you're even less aware of what you could be up against. It's simply awful to flat AK pre to a single raise.
I find it interesting how the comment section here is like the forums, where opinions are routinely confused with fact. Not one question as far as balancing raising and checking, or what other hands can be raised to balance the big pairs. Cause thats where the real discussion is. Not the "If you never raise here you must never semi-bluff" which is a moronic statement.
If we were super deep we can probably block bet the river. Given stack depth I think we x/c or x/f depending on V's tendencies. Proably lean towards a fold as described and the fact that AJ makes total sense. I don't see AT and AQ going nuts here
I hate these spots out of position with AK that misses the flop. Checking just tells the villain that they can bet you off the hand easily with a bluff. Betting small usually results in them calling and then they either steal the pot or try to get value from you on later streets. And betting big might get a fold sometimes, but also usually doesn't work.
Just gotta hammer that shit all three streets as long as it's not super wet. Sell the overpair. Source: I am a losing player absolutely do not listen to me
What if your check told them they could bluff you off your hand, but your check was actually lying? Not with AK ui but with other stuff you would take to showdown including some monsters. Also a few reverse floats you can bluff on later streets...
@@YourPalJamieEllis Me too. I like to randomize a bit here. Sometimes I play too weak and check/fold. Other times I represent the overpair but they don't believe me because the board is too wet for an overpair to keep betting so they call down with a random middle pair putting me on AK or AQ
Player and table image dependent. Sometimes the solver loses ya know. It’s designed to break even against players that play perfectly. GTO is good when playing against opponents better than you and then you have to ask why you’re in that game?
Imo this is AJ the whole way. And villian probably also fairly easily put the guy on AKo. Small bet on the flop makes a lot of sense with AK. Then the big bet on the turn represents a hand that’s charging a draw. So now AK bluff is possible and or maybe QJ or KJ even maybe J9. When the Ace of spades comes out it rules out the possibility of the hero bluffing with the ace of spades. So now you get the hero to check and you safely assume he does not have a flush. You have AJ so you want to look polar here in case hero has AK, AQ, J9 and wants to get curious. Think it’s well played by both if not a little telegraphed by the hero
Check on the flop for sure. If villain wouldn't bet I'm very likely checking turn as well. We still have a decent hand to showdown. Check call/bet fold the River very likely. Might be even check/folding the River if huge overbet comes. But villain should start bluffing those draws OTT for sure and sizing should be quite likely on the bigger side and we should be folding our "nearly nothing". I think overplaying 3bet pots OOP is a common leak for live players. They're not gonna play so many hands to feel a consequences. If you play online fast tables you'll notice that you are losing too many bbs/100 quite quickly. Happened to me... Even though I was winning decent chunk of 3bet pots, I wasn't able to build that stack, cuz I lost those money in a few messed up 3! pots OOP.
He could also have QK of spades. I figured AJ off or QK of spades because he raised 5x pre, then called the 3 bet. Im not sure if he goes 5x with Q/10 of spades. A/3 of spades could play this was but not when it comes on the river. I discount sets and 2 pair on the turn when the villain doesn’t shove with around 1 spr.
Villian bluffed him of a split pot. Villian had A x K spades.. Every other draw or big hand would have raised the c bet on flop. Ax K spades would have played it exactly like this. Flat 3 bet pre flop in position, call small c bet on flop with K spades backdoor flush and AK over cards and possible backdoor straight possibilities with AK , call large turn bet on a brick because this is were villian realized hero had AK , hero checks river, villian shoves river in position because of the A spades, size of pot, and putting him on that exact hand . Villian put hero on AK on the flop with his small c bet and large turn bet. The large turn bet made the all in a automatic on the river. If turn bet was half pot, villian would have also called turn but he would have just checked it down on river due to size of pot. No point risking it all for such a small return. Mistake was large turn bet. My two cents. Might be worth two cents. Will soon find out the true value of my analysis lol!!!
I dont think the villains all in was for too much, right? 725 eftective into 900ish, with AJ seems fine? Whats the bot say if checked to lol, is aj a rip?
I have hard time folding to river shove. 1) A set does not call turn bet, nor even less goes all in on flashy river. Simply: it's a lose/lose action! No worse hand would call, nor better hand would folded. 2) Two pairs? Nahhh...again: For the same reason as the set. So: *it's a bluff.* Missed draw...open ender, pocket KK, QQ gotten scared of river A, decided to rep a flush to bail out. If V is a good player (as suggested) - it's a clear call. . BTW: H played his hand wrongly: Turn bet was a waste. Then river check was a horrible play. Folding is ice on a spoilt cake.
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How many flush draws are calling the 3 bet preflop? Is the opponent wide enough to call a 3 bet preflop with a hand like 10-8 or 8-7? Or even worse hands than that? I think the opponent might be heavily weighted towards K-Q suited and Q-10 suited (maybe K-10 or 10-8 suited), but that's about it for the flushes he would have. And he might turn some of those non-spade suited hands into a bluff on the river. Because the Ace, Jack, and 9 of spades are on the board, and the opponent called a 3 bet preflop, I have to think he's only got 2-4 combos of flushes (and those hands might raise flop sometimes, too). And the 6-12 combos of those suited cards as non-spades would definitely rep the flush on the river as a bluff.
Bart says the only time you should block bet river is if you could get called by worse. Wouldn't there be a case where you block bet that prevents the river bet bluff but wouldn't be called by worse? My point is you could make an argument that a block bet that doesn't get called by worse could still have value if it prevents say the river all in bluff. Really depends on your opponent.
Does KJ with the K of spades not take this line? Blocking the nuts with top pair? There’s what, 3 combos or KJ with the K of spades? I feel like we can add that to the bluffs here and it makes this a little closer when we talk about how many bluffs villain has. I don’t know that it makes this a call, but it’s something to think about.
I also considered this but here is the problem - does this hand really want to call on turn? Yeah it is a nut blocker on river, but not on the turn. Then he'd have to make the choice of turning his top pair into a bluff on the river - it seems unlikely that he'd both call turn AND bluff river with a hand like that.
@@newstandardaccountthe thing to consider is we block the front door. No AK or KQ of spades is available, plus we’re at top pair plus strong kicker. I can see the call on the turn forsure, since we’re blocking top set to the river, and the only hand we’re ever worried about on the second barrel is a set of 9s. I definitely think KJ with K of spades would take this line, flat calling turn and bluffing river.
@@Cesshiphop you're saying that if you're the villain and you have KJo with the King of spades, you are blocking AK/KQ spades? That's a good point. I'm not sure though there are enough bluffs like that to justify a call from hero but I see your point.
One other point as I think about this - this goes to Bart's point early in the video - how many people take hands that have showdown/thin value, and turn them into bluffs? I don't really play so I don't know, but I suspect it doesn't happen often.
If we're raising preflop for value, I think it's a fair question to ask what would extract more value from the hand overall - taking the lead preflop and building and playing the pot out of position, or just calling check raising the flops we hit and maybe even some rag flops we miss? I think the number of players already in is a huge factor in that you don't want to play AKo out of position 5 way, but this hand was 3 way.
No replies to this post lol? The forum mentality here was exposed by how Alex Fitzgerald, who was crushing online years ago and yet getting destroyed by the lemmings on 2+2. Now Alex is one of the most respected voices out there.
I think the 3bet pre is ok but I'd put AK no spade in my flop check range with hands like AA or TT. Hands with less showdown value like QK AQ A10s would be better flop bets and barrels to provide some bluffs for balance with value bets like sets, top pair, overpairs AK USUALLY wants to get to showdown cheap and sometimes win against AQ QK etc, where as hands like QK wants to get folds from hands like AK AQ
I don't love the way hero played this. I'm not a fan of tiny C-bets and I certainly would not follow up with an over-bet on turn. As to the big river decision; I'm totally on board with folding & I do think hero loses quite often. That said, a quality villain can bluff any hand he arrives here with because he knows hero never has the flush. I also wonder how often villain flats the flop with some of his spade hands? Don't KQss QTss & T8ss raise this flop fairly often?
Why do you never mention to the caller when he brings up “sets and two pairs” that villain would almost always be raising those hands on earlier streets?
I agree, I think he probably raises a combo draw on the flop pretty often, but just calls the small flop bet when he has just a straight draw. I could definitely see KQ taking this line. Unfortunately, this is also exactly how I would play pocket jacks if I were the villain, too.
Bart is a glutton for punishment. The guy won't set foot in Mohegan where they love poker players, but will keep going back to Encore despite how horrible it is.
Do you agree that this is a clear fold on river? Hit the thumbs up for agree/thumbs down for disagree.
Idk Villain isnt repping much here. Only like KQ/KT/QT for flushes, and all of those might be flop raises a good portion of time. Loses to 2 combos left of AJs, and 6 combos of sets, which also might be raised off good portion of time.
Beating 3 combos of QTs that bluff here. I wonder if villain ever gets here with AK/AQ at some frequency and goes all in when checked to or that would likely take a smaller sizing. Like you pointed out though, what other bluffs do they have? They would have to be turning 9x or Jx into a bluff, which you really don't see people do often enough in live poker. Also, the large turn bet really condenses villains range and should fold out everything but strong draws and Jx+.
I think fold is probably fine, but I think this had was played really poorly overall, and shows how little hero thinks about playing OOP and is just kinda clicking aggressive buttons without thinking.
I don't think it's a clear fold. The board blocks a lot of the suited cards that the villain could call a three bet with preflop, especially if the villain is somewhat tight. I think there are only 2-5 possible flushes here for the villain (K-10, 10-8, and 8-7 are debatable whether or not the villain calls with those hands preflop). And those hands would probably raise the small flop bet some of the time.
I think that K-Q and Q-10 both make sense as bluffs for the villain. If they call the turn bet, they're bluffing the river 100% of the time if they're checked to on a spade (that doesn't give them top pair).
It becomes a question of whether or not the villain is playing A-J off suit, and if the villain is betting those hands for value on the river. And how many flushes the villain can actually have.
Against a weaker opponent, this is a fold. But the caller's description of this villain gives him a pretty thin value range in my opinion. So I'd be tempted to call if I think he's not calling with K-10 preflop and he's not betting A-J for value on the river.
Villian isnt repping much? LOL
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I wouldn't say a clear fold but based on texture and how the hand played out, esp hero's pot sized turn bet, I think it's fair to say villain expects hero to have a hand real here and is looking for a call, so I could find a fold for sure.
I do question folding based on the price we're getting, which I think was over 2-1, and whether or not villain turned his hand into a bluff by using the A as a scare card, which it was cause of flush, even though it helped hero, which I don't think villain was counting on.
My question for hero is could villain have played QQ this way, as not everyone insta 4b's QQ, esp in position. Or QJs, which could easily be played the same way by villain and calling the turn bet. He might've been playing defense with TP and evaluating the river, and when checked to with the scare card, thought he had fold equity in shoving as his only chance to win.
@@TheMightyDoon I'm just saying, in a 3b pot, for this sizing on the river, they don't have that many hands that will go for that size. All of their 1p hands likely don't take this sizing, so theyre repping 2p+ or bluffs
Just check flop OOP, and delay c-bet turn if he checks back. This isn't the set up to triple barrel.
Agreed. He painted himself in a corner there.
But he had AK! Don't you know that hand is magic?? lol
Yes. When most live players 3-bet pre-flop and get called, they don’t have a checking range on the flop. They c-bet 100% - and that’s just wrong.
@@EllieBanks333why do people do that? I keep seeing nitty players online playing like
@@Bumder Because it's magic, doncha know.... 🤣
I've recent gone back to playing after a LONG break. And having spent the last couple of years criticising people's play on here I now remember how hard this is to do in real time. I understand the theory behind everything, but processing as I play seems impossible right now. I can barely keep track of bet sizing.
I used to have a YT channel (different account) on how to improve your play in a particular PVP video game. One of the points I used to emphasize is that when you're trying to improve, you need to be focused about it. You need to pick one thing - maybe two - and focus on it until it is part of your repertoire. Too often people try to improve their whole game at once, and that'll never be successful. There is too much information to process.
Obviously I don't know if that's your problem or not, but I'm betting it is!
Good luck!
Interesting one this. Some people saying trivial fold on river…
But the As is on the board which always cuts a load of flushes out. And then as Bart points out, loads of the spade draws on the turn and even on the flop are combo draws. KQss, KTss, QTss, T8ss, 87ss are all pretty big draws. I could easily see those getting raised on the flop.
And hero’s hand looks a lot like KK/QQ that got the worst river card in the deck so V might be tempted to bluff.
But on the other hand rivers are so underbluffed.
I think hero loses quite often & that folding is the safe play. A quality villain can bet anything he arrives with, since he knows her does not have the flush.
If V is a thinking player (as the caller implied), this is a mandatory bluff spot with KJ/QJ with one spade. V now blocks the only logical flush combo hero could have in a 3bet pot (KQss) and is never going to win at showdown with second pair. Still a good laydown
If villain is a good, thinking player, he really shouldnt have any combos though of KJo/QJo in a 3b pot though, so I would heavily discount those options.
Maybe KsJx and QsJx should be turned into bluffs. But are they often enough?
It’s also possible he folds a lot of those combos preflop. KJo and QJo aren’t exactly doing great vs a 3 bet range.
V does not need a spade. Hero never has the flush here.
@@TheNow_Now this. the only logical bluff combo here is KQo with a spade, and I honestly think the Q of spades might not pull the trigger as much. K of spades definitely has to.
@@EllieBanks333 exactly. (flush blocker) Irrelevant thing. (BTW, since when ONE spade blocks other 10??!)
from OOP on this board this is definitely either a check or half pot at minimum and I'm probably leaning check here with a red AK. you unblock all the flush draws and can check call flop at least reasonably well. river is weird because it removes a LOT of flush combos but I think there's very few natural bluffs here and I think V can jam worse than a flush (generally) when H checks as played so even then it's kinda hard to call.
AKo OOP 200 BB deep is one of the most awkward spots to be in.
It’s only awkward if you are not well-studied in that spot.
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I think the more interesting part is figuring out what opponent is snap calling with on turn. Sets and probably combo draws should be all in although they might not necessarily actually do that. And there are a lot of combo draws. AJ probably has to think about it for a second. AJ should check back river too but people are strange.
Assuming opponent doesn't have a strong read on you, the most likely calling hand is probably a combo draw even if it's not technically correct. I think you have to assume he has a flush.
I think when opponent doesn't fold the flop this is a good hand to give up.
Not that it necessarily matters at this stakes but the heros range is definitely capped after he pots the turn and ace of spades on the river. He has has like 0 flushes there so capped at small frequencies of AAA or jjj but mainly 1 pair of aces, AJ or over pair that didn't like the ace
I know suggesting just calling AK preflop is sacrilege but this is a good example of building pots out of position and then wondering what now.
Not 3 betting AK is terrible though and if you're not doing that you're likely not even semi-bluffing at all, which will get you eaten alive by half decent players at 2/5+.
The takeaway for this hand is that you really should have a robust checking range oop, and AK is 100% just not a triple barrel off in this situation.
For example, this spot should be a 50% check on flop, his AK specifically should be a 40% check. On turn, after he gets called, most of his AK becomes a check, and his hand specifically is a 100% check.
People are scared to 'check' bc then people will know that they dont have anything good, but that is just because almost all live players are nowhere close to being balanced. Put in some significant volume against decent regs and you'll realize how important it is to have a very strong checking range/strategy oop, esp in 3b pots.
Yes bring your overall win rate down to handle variance in a specific situation is a solid strategy
Why would it be better to instead play a pot out of position against a villain with a virtually uncapped range (and probably a third player comes in, too)? Sure, the pot is smaller, but you're even less aware of what you could be up against. It's simply awful to flat AK pre to a single raise.
@@Mr.Muckington thats not good advice, that's just nitty OMC poker. If you're gonna play like that stick to micro stakes & 1/2. Not 2/5 200BB deep lol
I find it interesting how the comment section here is like the forums, where opinions are routinely confused with fact. Not one question as far as balancing raising and checking, or what other hands can be raised to balance the big pairs. Cause thats where the real discussion is. Not the "If you never raise here you must never semi-bluff" which is a moronic statement.
If we were super deep we can probably block bet the river. Given stack depth I think we x/c or x/f depending on V's tendencies. Proably lean towards a fold as described and the fact that AJ makes total sense. I don't see AT and AQ going nuts here
I hate these spots out of position with AK that misses the flop. Checking just tells the villain that they can bet you off the hand easily with a bluff. Betting small usually results in them calling and then they either steal the pot or try to get value from you on later streets. And betting big might get a fold sometimes, but also usually doesn't work.
Lol
Just gotta hammer that shit all three streets as long as it's not super wet. Sell the overpair. Source: I am a losing player absolutely do not listen to me
What if your check told them they could bluff you off your hand, but your check was actually lying?
Not with AK ui but with other stuff you would take to showdown including some monsters. Also a few reverse floats you can bluff on later streets...
@@YourPalJamieEllis Me too. I like to randomize a bit here. Sometimes I play too weak and check/fold. Other times I represent the overpair but they don't believe me because the board is too wet for an overpair to keep betting so they call down with a random middle pair putting me on AK or AQ
Player and table image dependent. Sometimes the solver loses ya know. It’s designed to break even against players that play perfectly. GTO is good when playing against opponents better than you and then you have to ask why you’re in that game?
Imo this is AJ the whole way. And villian probably also fairly easily put the guy on AKo. Small bet on the flop makes a lot of sense with AK. Then the big bet on the turn represents a hand that’s charging a draw. So now AK bluff is possible and or maybe QJ or KJ even maybe J9. When the Ace of spades comes out it rules out the possibility of the hero bluffing with the ace of spades. So now you get the hero to check and you safely assume he does not have a flush. You have AJ so you want to look polar here in case hero has AK, AQ, J9 and wants to get curious. Think it’s well played by both if not a little telegraphed by the hero
How would you feel about a block bet here on the river??
Much harder to ship over your bet with nothing.
thought about this while watching. the problem is though you have to be doing that with hands like Kx of spades (flush) in order for it to work.
Check on the flop for sure. If villain wouldn't bet I'm very likely checking turn as well. We still have a decent hand to showdown. Check call/bet fold the River very likely. Might be even check/folding the River if huge overbet comes. But villain should start bluffing those draws OTT for sure and sizing should be quite likely on the bigger side and we should be folding our "nearly nothing".
I think overplaying 3bet pots OOP is a common leak for live players. They're not gonna play so many hands to feel a consequences.
If you play online fast tables you'll notice that you are losing too many bbs/100 quite quickly. Happened to me... Even though I was winning decent chunk of 3bet pots, I wasn't able to build that stack, cuz I lost those money in a few messed up 3! pots OOP.
He could also have QK of spades. I figured AJ off or QK of spades because he raised 5x pre, then called the 3 bet. Im not sure if he goes 5x with Q/10 of spades. A/3 of spades could play this was but not when it comes on the river. I discount sets and 2 pair on the turn when the villain doesn’t shove with around 1 spr.
Yeah that was my though. In fact K of spades is the one card that is the most likely to be in opponents hand after the all in.
Villian bluffed him of a split pot. Villian had A x K spades.. Every other draw or big hand would have raised the c bet on flop. Ax K spades would have played it exactly like this. Flat 3 bet pre flop in position, call small c bet on flop with K spades backdoor flush and AK over cards and possible backdoor straight possibilities with AK , call large turn bet on a brick because this is were villian realized hero had AK , hero checks river, villian shoves river in position because of the A spades, size of pot, and putting him on that exact hand . Villian put hero on AK on the flop with his small c bet and large turn bet. The large turn bet made the all in a automatic on the river. If turn bet was half pot, villian would have also called turn but he would have just checked it down on river due to size of pot. No point risking it all for such a small return. Mistake was large turn bet. My two cents. Might be worth two cents. Will soon find out the true value of my analysis lol!!!
Bart why are you going to Encore Boston Harbor after you posted a video about how bad it is?
I would’ve gone bigger on the flop something like 120 , and if called and didn’t improve to at least a gutshot on the turn, I’d just check-fold
I dont think the villains all in was for too much, right? 725 eftective into 900ish, with AJ seems fine? Whats the bot say if checked to lol, is aj a rip?
I have hard time folding to river shove.
1) A set does not call turn bet, nor even less goes all in on flashy river. Simply: it's a lose/lose action! No worse hand would call, nor better hand would folded.
2) Two pairs? Nahhh...again: For the same reason as the set.
So: *it's a bluff.* Missed draw...open ender, pocket KK, QQ gotten scared of river A, decided to rep a flush to bail out.
If V is a good player (as suggested) - it's a clear call.
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BTW: H played his hand wrongly: Turn bet was a waste. Then river check was a horrible play. Folding is ice on a spoilt cake.
Question why would Encore Boston Harbor kick you out?
We've done 2 videos now about issues in their poker room. Shortly after both videos they made positive changes so maybe they're watching. See the latest here - ruclips.net/video/jJubIPFvrKs/видео.html
@@CrushlivePokerWhat changes did Boston Encore make in response to your videos?
@@Hikingguy359just suing Bart for defamation now that's the change
thank you for this easy fix ;)
That is the best bluff card in the deck and we have a perfect A caaling card
Its KQo with a spade
Or with both spades
Hero can never have any flushes unless V believes you can have K10 spades or Q10 spades.
When I miss the flop with A/K, i unusually just check/fold and move on unless I can see the turn cheap.
bb 3b to under 4x sub optimal?? isnt 5x or even greater deep std?
Clear as day
How many flush draws are calling the 3 bet preflop? Is the opponent wide enough to call a 3 bet preflop with a hand like 10-8 or 8-7? Or even worse hands than that?
I think the opponent might be heavily weighted towards K-Q suited and Q-10 suited (maybe K-10 or 10-8 suited), but that's about it for the flushes he would have. And he might turn some of those non-spade suited hands into a bluff on the river.
Because the Ace, Jack, and 9 of spades are on the board, and the opponent called a 3 bet preflop, I have to think he's only got 2-4 combos of flushes (and those hands might raise flop sometimes, too).
And the 6-12 combos of those suited cards as non-spades would definitely rep the flush on the river as a bluff.
Bart says the only time you should block bet river is if you could get called by worse. Wouldn't there be a case where you block bet that prevents the river bet bluff but wouldn't be called by worse? My point is you could make an argument that a block bet that doesn't get called by worse could still have value if it prevents say the river all in bluff. Really depends on your opponent.
Kk
If you're gonna play AK learn how to flop at least a pair
Does KJ with the K of spades not take this line? Blocking the nuts with top pair? There’s what, 3 combos or KJ with the K of spades? I feel like we can add that to the bluffs here and it makes this a little closer when we talk about how many bluffs villain has. I don’t know that it makes this a call, but it’s something to think about.
I also considered this but here is the problem - does this hand really want to call on turn? Yeah it is a nut blocker on river, but not on the turn. Then he'd have to make the choice of turning his top pair into a bluff on the river - it seems unlikely that he'd both call turn AND bluff river with a hand like that.
@@newstandardaccountthe thing to consider is we block the front door. No AK or KQ of spades is available, plus we’re at top pair plus strong kicker. I can see the call on the turn forsure, since we’re blocking top set to the river, and the only hand we’re ever worried about on the second barrel is a set of 9s. I definitely think KJ with K of spades would take this line, flat calling turn and bluffing river.
@@Cesshiphop you're saying that if you're the villain and you have KJo with the King of spades, you are blocking AK/KQ spades? That's a good point.
I'm not sure though there are enough bluffs like that to justify a call from hero but I see your point.
One other point as I think about this - this goes to Bart's point early in the video - how many people take hands that have showdown/thin value, and turn them into bluffs? I don't really play so I don't know, but I suspect it doesn't happen often.
If we're raising preflop for value, I think it's a fair question to ask what would extract more value from the hand overall - taking the lead preflop and building and playing the pot out of position, or just calling check raising the flops we hit and maybe even some rag flops we miss? I think the number of players already in is a huge factor in that you don't want to play AKo out of position 5 way, but this hand was 3 way.
No replies to this post lol? The forum mentality here was exposed by how Alex Fitzgerald, who was crushing online years ago and yet getting destroyed by the lemmings on 2+2. Now Alex is one of the most respected voices out there.
I think the 3bet pre is ok but I'd put AK no spade in my flop check range with hands like AA or TT. Hands with less showdown value like QK AQ A10s would be better flop bets and barrels to provide some bluffs for balance with value bets like sets, top pair, overpairs
AK USUALLY wants to get to showdown cheap and sometimes win against AQ QK etc, where as hands like QK wants to get folds from hands like AK AQ
I don't love the way hero played this. I'm not a fan of tiny C-bets and I certainly would not follow up with an over-bet on turn. As to the big river decision; I'm totally on board with folding & I do think hero loses quite often. That said, a quality villain can bluff any hand he arrives here with because he knows hero never has the flush. I also wonder how often villain flats the flop with some of his spade hands? Don't KQss QTss & T8ss raise this flop fairly often?
Which location did this guy say he was in? Hopefully he is not too far away.
I think that was a bluff.Would he not go for a value bet if he had the flush?
I look forward to a possible video of Mr. Hansen’s visit to BH.
Gus is playing?
Bart's surname is Hanson.
Fit or fold
This is a trivial fold on the river.
Fold almost 100% of the time unless the villain is a manic.
check folding flop all day
Why do you never mention to the caller when he brings up “sets and two pairs” that villain would almost always be raising those hands on earlier streets?
Asian guy on his thirties, i think I've played against him
I'm 53 years old and I'd value bet two pair plus here and rip it with a missed straight draw. Maybe I'm a population of one. Lol.
Is there a reason to check back KJ here? What size would you value bet with 70% of pot remaining in front of you?
Representing a flush by ripping without the Ac as a blocker is criminal
Thought he would raise the flop with AJ? Are you playing someone who’s never played poker?
Its either AJ or a J that turned into a bluff imo
Why can't he have kq lol
I agree, I think he probably raises a combo draw on the flop pretty often, but just calls the small flop bet when he has just a straight draw. I could definitely see KQ taking this line.
Unfortunately, this is also exactly how I would play pocket jacks if I were the villain, too.
Are people really calling overbets on the turn?
This is a fold all day, unless it is Rampage ;-)
I didn't watch, but saw the thumbnail, he explains why you should play ♥A♦K, but fold ♠A♦K, right 😆?
... I'd have check-folded this Flop
Without looking at the video, DONT GO ALL IN WITH AK 😂 IF YOU DONT FLOP AN ACE OR A K OR TWO PAIR, FOLD
KJ spades
Just shove pre
What does the Asian aspect mean? I hear callers say "They're Asian" in a lot of these videos. What type of image is that supposed to be?
Usually LAG especially younger guys.
Ez fold river Pz
Yea ,ace king just another 2 cards 😅
AK= Cowboys walking... Walking back to Texas broke...
Bart is a glutton for punishment. The guy won't set foot in Mohegan where they love poker players, but will keep going back to Encore despite how horrible it is.
Mohegan is 2.5hrs from where I live.
@@CrushlivePoker I play there like once a month and get free weekday nights at the hotel up the butthole. Check it out sometime!
I hate calls with no reveal. I think the fold was correct even though not sure I could have .
It doesn’t matter. I called In Monday and Bart didn’t ask if there was a reveal.
Too much unexplained jargon.
Betting so small on the flop and then such a big bet on the turn brick screams bluff.
Love the show love the calls but kinda dumb to not have a reveal. I mean make one up lol
Why I stopped playing poker. Villain. Such a new term and quite cheesy. Spend time with your wife and kids.
it's not new it comes from the 2+2 forums at least 15 year ago